Former EU Foreign Policy Chief Catherine Ashton Talks Iran War

Summary

Bloomberg Talks – Former EU Foreign Policy Chief Catherine Ashton Talks Iran War (March 6, 2026)

Episode Overview

This episode features a wide-ranging and incisive conversation between Bloomberg's radio host and Baroness Catherine Ashton, the EU’s first High Representative for Foreign Affairs (2009–2014) and a lead negotiator of the original Iran nuclear deal (the JCPOA). The discussion analyzes the escalating Iran conflict, American and European responses, the prospects for de-escalation or diplomacy, regime change scenarios, and the broader ramifications for global security and energy politics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Assessing the Current Situation in the Middle East

• Kathy Ashton responds to the initial question about de-escalation:

  • There are competing US endgames: degrade Iran’s nuclear/military capability vs. pursue regime change.
  • The process of finding a viable opposition leader for Iran is extremely challenging and has thus far eluded US efforts.
  • Iran’s recent missile attacks have ambiguous motives: Are they signaling, retaliating, or seeking to pull Gulf countries into pressuring the US and Israel?

  Notable Quote:
  “There is a sort of bigger question about what is the objective when it comes to Iran... Is it about sending warning signals? Is it specifically about targeting US military facilities? ...Are they trying to say to countries, you've got to tell the Americans and Israelis to cut back on this because it's for your own safety?”
  – Catherine Ashton [01:10–02:34]

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2. Regime Change and Opposition in Iran

• Successor concerns and lack of organized opposition:

  • US is dismissing key potential Iranian leaders, but viable "acceptable" options are unclear.
  • Lack of coordinated Iranian opposition is due to state oppression, not the absence of dissent.
  • Hypothetical: "If the IRGC wanted to surrender, who would they surrender to?"

  Notable Quote:
  “The problem in Iran has been, I think, that we don't see the level of organized opposition that you would see perhaps in other countries. And that's because they've been oppressed... if the IRGC wanted to surrender, who would they surrender to?”
  – Catherine Ashton [02:41–03:23]

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3. Prospects for Diplomacy and the Nuclear Issue

• JCPOA context and the “chosen method” of military escalation:

  • The JCPOA provided significant monitoring and a “12-month window” of warning against weapons breakout.
  • President Trump rejected the JCPOA’s incremental approach, seeking total Iranian capitulation.
  • Full return to diplomacy appears unlikely now, but ultimately all conflicts end at the negotiating table.

  Notable Quote:
  "When we had the JCPOA, we were confident that Iran could not build a nuclear weapon within at least 12 months... President Trump did not agree with that approach... it's hard to see how we get back to diplomacy in the traditional sense. Having said that, all conflicts end with people sitting around a table, even if they are the complete loser."
  – Catherine Ashton [03:42–04:46]

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4. US-European Relations: Strain and Consequences

• European political divisions over support for US strategy:

  • Europe is split: Germany is most supportive, UK took a principled but supportive stance, Spain outright refused.
  • Ashton predicts eventual EU alignment after deliberation, referencing the “extraordinary place” of Brussels.
  • European attention is being split between the Gulf crisis and the ongoing war in Ukraine, with real implications for support to Ukraine.

  Notable Quote:
  “You've had Chancellor Mertz who seems to be the most forward leaning... the Prime Minister who... believed that the beginning of this was inappropriate but was willing to help... then you've got the Spanish Prime Minister who said absolutely not. And they probably represent the classic European mix... at some point the Europeans will have to and will come together.”
  – Catherine Ashton [04:57–06:08]

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5. Strategic Calculations: Europe, the US, the Gulf, and Ukraine

• Why Europe might back the US anyway:

  • European interests in the Gulf (including the safety of expatriate residents).
  • Desire to maintain strong trans-Atlantic relations, especially for continued US support of Ukraine.
  • Underlying concerns about energy prices and economic ramifications, with Trump using tariffs as leverage.

  Notable Quote:
  "There'll be a desire to keep the relationship with the United States in good shape as far as they possibly can, especially when it comes to support for Ukraine. But also, there's a big economic question underneath all of this, which is about energy prices and about the economies across Europe.”
  – Catherine Ashton [07:24–08:04]

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Memorable Moments and Quotes

• "If the IRGC wanted to surrender, who would they surrender to?"
  – Catherine Ashton [03:09]
  (Encapsulates the futility of seeking quick regime change in Iran.)

• "All conflicts end with people sitting around a table, even if they are complete losers."
  – Catherine Ashton [04:40]
  (Sobering reminder that diplomacy is ultimately unavoidable.)

• “European attention span... we're thinking about, rightly, the Gulf, but we're not thinking about Ukraine and the implications... to support and arm Ukraine effectively in the future.”
  – Catherine Ashton [06:01]
  (Highlights the dilemma of divided focus and resources.)

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Notable Timestamps

• [00:38–02:34] – Situation analysis, objectives, Iran’s actions
• [02:34–03:23] – Regime change, lack of opposition
• [03:42–04:46] – Nuclear diplomacy prospects, JCPOA insight
• [04:57–06:08] – European splits, allies and implications for Ukraine
• [07:24–08:04] – European strategic calculations, energy and economics

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Conclusion

Catherine Ashton’s pragmatic and nuanced analysis offers a sobering look at a volatile new phase in Middle Eastern conflict and great-power diplomacy. She underscores the complexity of orchestrating regime change in an authoritarian state, the limits of military pressure absent diplomatic channels, and Europe’s twin challenges: standing with the US while managing economic fallout and sustaining critical support for Ukraine. Her experience with the original nuclear deal foregrounds the difficulties in rolling back the clock on nonproliferation—reminding listeners that even after escalation, diplomatic engagement is inevitable.

Transcript

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you more now on the conflict in the Middle East. With the attacks now in their seventh day, Iran stepping up strikes, as we were hearing, on countries across the Gulf, with the number of alerts in the region being reported this morning. Let's discuss now with Kathy Ashton, who is the EU's first High Representative in Foreign affairs from 2009 to 2014 and a key negotiator of the previous Iran nuclear deal known as the jcpoa. Kathy Ashton, good morning. Welcome to Bloomberg Radio. What is your reading of the situation in the Middle east today? Do you see any path to de escalation from where we are now?

[Kathy Ashton]

Well, I think there are a couple of things. First of all, it's important that we try and find out what exactly President Trump's ambition is for how this will end, because on the one hand, there's a degrading of Iran's potential nuclear program and of course, the removal of ballistic missiles and launchers and so on, preventing Iran from playing any significant role in the region or with its proxies. And on the other hand, you have the prospect of some kind of regime change, which is a much longer process, as we know, from other countries and other experiences, and where you're trying to look for people who can lead the country in a different direction. And that so far has proved, I think, quite elusive for President Trump, despite him saying he wants to be involved in choosing that person, despite them talking about a variety of different people, some of whom have been killed, some of whom don't seem to be appealing, appearing on the horizon. So there is a sort of bigger question about what is the objective when it comes to Iran. And then, of course, there is a question of what Tehran is trying to do by sending missiles all over the Gulf. Is it about trying to send warning signals? Is it specifically about targeting US Military facilities? Or as we've seen, is it broader? And are they trying to say to countries, you've got to tell the Americans and Israelis to cut back on this because it's for your own safety.

[Bloomberg Radio Host]

What should we make of the potential successes? To the late Ayatollah Trump says that his second oldest son is unacceptable.

[Kathy Ashton]

Well, that's right. And this is where it gets kind of interesting, if I can use that word, in terms of what the Americans want to achieve. There have been a number of names that have been thrown around. Ali La Rajani is one. The Ayatollah's second son is, as you say, another. If these are unacceptable people, well, where are the acceptable people? The problem in Iran has been, I think, that we don't see the level of organized opposition that you would see perhaps in other countries. And that's because they've been oppressed. It's not because people don't oppose the regime. It's because when they do, we see these massacres, we see people imprisoned and so on. So put very simplistically, if the IRGC wanted to surrender, who would they surrender to?

[Bloomberg Radio Host]

Where does this. With your experience in negotiating with the Iranians in the past as well, is there any path from here that can lead back to diplomacy on the nuclear issue, or is the U.S. was this U.S. action inevitable to try and bring an end to any prospective nuclear program in Iran?

[Kathy Ashton]

Well, this is the chosen method, if you like. When we had the jcpoa, we were confident that Iran could not build a nuclear weapon within at least 12 months of US engaging with them. In other words, that we would have at least a 12 month window in which we could take military action, we could put pressure on them and so on. We had thousands of cameras, hundreds of monitors on site who could see exactly what was going on. That gave a certainty and a security, we hoped to the world that we knew what was happening there. President Trump did not agree with that approach. And he has always taken the view that this was about a kind of win lose, that the Iranians had to give up everything completely in order to achieve what he wanted. So it's hard to see how we get back to diplomacy in the traditional sense. Having said that, all conflicts end with people sitting around a table, even if they are the complete loser. There is a conversation to be had about what happens next. So at some point, people somewhere will have to sit down and start talking

[Bloomberg Radio Host]

before we get there. Kathy, has President Trump made a strategic error by alienating his European allies, many of whom are now refusing to allow US Forces to use their bases?

[Kathy Ashton]

Well, I think this is a really interesting question because what we've seen has been a breadth and spread of support or not Support from across Europe. You've had Chancellor Mertz who seems to be the most forward leaning in some ways in support of the American action. You've had the Prime Minister who under international law believed that the beginning of this was inappropriate but was willing to help coursing defence of people in the Gulf. And then you've got the Spanish Prime Minister who said absolutely not. And they probably represent the classic European mix of feeling and thinking about this. But at some point the Europeans will have to and will come together. Brussels is an extraordinary place where in the end you do get a kind of concern. It may not be what everybody wants all the time, but it's a sort of way of trying to come together and actually decide what they're going to do. But for them too, they'll be very conscious of what this is meaning for our attention span on Ukraine and what's happening, because we're thinking about, rightly the Gulf, but we're not thinking about Ukraine and the implications for missiles and for the ability to be able to support and arm Ukraine effectively in the future.

[Bloomberg Radio Host]

Is it strategic then for European countries to rally behind the American efforts to try and as you say, refocus attention on Ukraine and supporting that country?

[Kathy Ashton]

Well, I think there'll be a number of things. I think first of all they'll be looking to try and support the Americans when it comes to helping out with the countries of the Gulf.

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[Kathy Ashton]

So I think you will start to see a bit more forward leaning on that because that's important to Europeans, not least because there are Europeans living all over the Gulf. I think secondly there'll be a desire to keep the relationship with the United States in good shape as far as they possibly can, especially when it comes to support for Ukraine. But also, there's a big economic question underneath all of this, which is about energy prices and about the economies across Europe. And, of course, President Trump is willing to use tariffs as a, as a method to try and bring people to his way of thinking, or at least to say he's not happy with the decisions that they've made.

[Bloomberg Radio Host]

Cathy, we really appreciate you coming in to talk to us today. Cathy Ashton there, who was the EU's first High Representative on Foreign affairs from 2009 to 2014 and a key negotiator of the previous Iran nuclear deal. Thank you so much.

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