D (3:52)

Your role on the transition team, does it turn into a full time job in the Mamdani administration?

C (3:59)

I am definitely not, at my age looking for a full time job. I'm trying to get away from a full time job.

A (4:04)

Right now you have more than a.

D (4:06)

Full time job because you're outgoing president of the partnership.

C (4:09)

I am outgoing and I do not plan to take another job, but I do plan to help the new mayor if he wants it.

D (4:18)

So beyond the transition period, you would stay on as an advisor?

C (4:21)

Well, I don't know. I don't know in what capacity. As I say, I'm there. I'm certainly going to help Governor Hochul deal with her challenges. I've worked closely with her. She's done a great job. And I think we're counting on her to continue to manage New York's relationship with Washington and the relationship between the state and the city, which is very important. Our affordability problems will not get solved by the city alone. This is going to take federal, state, city cooperation. And so I think all of us who are committed to New York City in the future, we have to be thinking of all three levels of government and how we work with the leadership at all levels.

E (5:01)

You brought Mamdani to meet with business leaders on several occasions. I wonder if you can talk about what his demeanor is in these meetings. Right. I've talked to Bill de Blasio about, you know, how he works a room, how Mamdani works a room, and really gets the business community to be comfortable around him. But also talk about some, some of these policy proposals that business leaders wanted answers to. What are the things that business leaders said to him? Well, that sounds like a lofty thing that won't get done, or, hey, that sounds like something that is much more than we're willing to back.

C (5:33)

Well, there's been quite an evolution since he won the primary. So in, in terms of his having a more nuanced position on a lot of the policies. You know, during the, the primary campaign, there were a whole slew of candidates and everything was one liners and the social media stuff was one liners or, you know, show and tell. When you get into a conversation with CEOs, they want to hear data, they want to hear facts. And I have watched him evolve and grow over the last eight months where we had conversations last week, one on housing, one on childcare, where he was there with a pen and a notebook, taking notes, asking questions, and coming back with very substantive responses. So he has absorbed a lot and is now digging deep on these issues that, you know, Ken Griffin expressed concern about the fact that he made a lot, you know, raised a lot of expectations, created a lot of idealistic notions about housing and childcare and how we can do all this for free. I think he's very quickly figuring out none of this is free. Raising taxes creates real issues. You may raise the rates of taxes, but that may not result in more revenues if you scare people away or if you scare companies away, or as we've seen lately, we've seen a real threat to jobs in New York. We, for the first time, our first time, in my experience, over 50 years, are seeing a decline in the number of jobs in our financial services industry. Scary thing, that's 40% of our state income tax revenues. We don't, I mean, these are, you know, we've got to pay attention, and I think he gets that. But we've got to be at the table discussing these issues and helping figure out how do employers help solve the childcare problem.

B (7:34)

Kathy, you know, one of the things I think about, and I remember, you know, being at Milken years ago and talking with very wealthy investors who said, yeah, it's about time we pay more taxes. So what is the balance? And I am curious, among those folks that you talk to who are very wealthy, and a lot of times their wealth is not an income, it's assets and it's investment gains, what do they think Though should be maybe more of their contribution. And I know they often contribute in philanthropy and so on. I know that. But I'm just curious, what is the balance of willing to pay more when again I've had side conversations with folks are surprised that they aren't paying more in taxes.

C (8:15)

So what I found, and for somebody whose upper income earned income in New York, which is our biggest taxpayers, we're paying 55% of our income to the federal, state and city government. If you all in. So we're paying more than half my paycheck goes to the federal government. So it's not like we're getting away with something. For the very wealthy who are capital gains, et cetera, the big problem there is if they move their legal residence out of New York City, we don't get, we don't share or get taxes. They aren't taxed here on the basis of their global income. And so we may get a piece of their paycheck but not their wealth.

B (9:01)

Right.

C (9:02)

And that's a big question. It is. But what I found is over many years when business leaders and the big taxpayers are at the table and they see that number one, government is doing what they can to figure out how do we offer the most efficient, the most effective services at the lowest cost possible, how do we make government more efficient on the one hand. So then you begin to narrow so what's the delta in terms of what do we need to raise revenues for? So for example, when dick ravage in 2007 for Governor Patterson led the effort to figure out how are we going to pay to upgrade our subways which were falling apart, we supported, and the business community supported creating a payroll mobility tax where a portion of payrolls of corporations, employers who were in the metropolitan region would go to that 82% of the employees who work for our companies based in Manhattan take the public transit to get here. That was something everybody signed off on. We supported, we supported an increase in that tax twice. Same thing with congestion pricing. We supported congestion pricing. Obviously a user fee where you get something reduced congestion, more time in your day is easier to sell. So it is not. And actually when Mike Bloomberg was elected mayor Right after 9 11, the city had to raise real estate taxes in order to rebuild and recover from the 911 shock. We supported that 18% tax increase in real estate taxes. So it's not that we're anti all taxes. It's is government doing what they can to keep costs down, to be responsible in what they're spending and then what is the contribution and how do we make it that makes the most sense, gets the most bang for the buck.

D (10:58)

Just very briefly, because you spent such a big part of your career working on affordable housing, I'm wondering if the mayor is sticking to freezing rent as his solution for affordability. Because not one person that we have spoken to over the last few months thinks that not increasing supply and rather freezing rent is the right way to approach the affordability crisis with housing.

C (11:20)

Well, the new mayor is very well aware that those are not mutually exclusive options and that if there's no economic return, nobody's going to build housing. He's figured that out. So he has. He has said really since pre primary that he understood the private sector had an important role in the supply side and he was going to work on that. So I think that again, his view is much more nuanced when he says now, when he talks about freezing the rent, he says, and one thing that will enable us to do that is if we reduce property taxes on rent stabilized, regulated buildings. So he gets it. He can add and subtract.

B (12:01)

So can you come back?

D (12:02)

I said, you said we had an hour, we had an hour. Hour's worth of questions barely scratched the.

B (12:07)

Surface, but we so appreciate it. Kathy, thank you. Good luck.

C (12:09)

Thank you for having me.

B (12:10)

Kathy Wilde, president and CEO, outgoing president and CEO of the Partnership for New York City, part of the transition team of the New York City mayor elect, and of course, our Bloomberg News senior reporter, Miles Miller.

A (12:22)

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