Stephanie Roth Talks FOMC Minutes, Inflation

Summary

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Bloomberg Talks: Stephanie Roth Talks FOMC Minutes, Inflation

Guest: Stephanie Roth (Chief Economist, Wolf Research)
Air Date: July 8, 2026
Host and Co-host: Bloomberg Team

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Episode Overview

This episode spotlights the Federal Reserve’s recent FOMC minutes, ongoing concerns over inflation, and the impact of AI-driven price increases. Stephanie Roth, chief economist at Wolf Research, offers her expert analysis on the Fed’s internal dynamics, inflationary forces, the influence of politics, and the disparate effects of the current economy on consumers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. FOMC Minutes: Diverging Views on Rate Hikes

Timestamps: [01:12]–[02:04]

• Stephanie Roth emphasizes that while a few officials wanted a rate hike at the June meeting, this was not a surprise and likely involved known hawkish members:

  “A few officials did want a rate hike in June, probably no surprise. ...They are concerned about the amount of inflation, but not overly so and expect that inflation should be coming down, but perhaps sticky in the near term.” (Stephanie Roth, [01:36])

• The significance lies in the Fed’s acknowledgment of persistent, but not alarming, inflation.

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2. AI as an Inflationary Force

Timestamps: [02:04]–[02:26]

• Roth makes a notable point about AI’s impact on inflation:

  “The thing to flag is that they noted AI is notably inflationary, which is something that we’re very much seeing in the data.” (Stephanie Roth, [01:57])

• She provides concrete estimates:

  “AI is boosting core PCE inflation by about 40 basis points by the end of the year. Right now it’s about 30 basis points.”
  She cautions this may drift slightly higher as higher Apple prices feed through, but revisions from the BEA in September could halve that estimate.
  (Stephanie Roth, [02:26])

• Roth analogizes AI to other one-off inflation shocks (tariffs, war impacts), stating these are likely to be “sticky price increases” but not ongoing accelerators.

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3. Geopolitical Risks and Inflation

Timestamps: [03:07]–[03:58]

• Roth assesses recent US-Iran conflict risks:

  “I think markets are trading it the right way, that this is probably not going to result in many more months worth of fighting. ...Neither side really wants to go back to full-blown fighting.” (Stephanie Roth, [03:26])

• She sees upside risk for oil prices, but does not expect a lasting surge over $100.

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4. What Could Trigger a Near-Term Fed Hike?

Timestamps: [03:58]–[04:46]

• Immediate data could push the Fed to hike in July or September if inflation data remains “elevated,” particularly with core PCE prints above 0.25%. But if pressures from tariffs, AI, and geopolitics fade, hikes will be increasingly unlikely.

  “The risk is very short term. ...If we end up with the unemployment rate actually sustainably ticking back down ...or inflation running probably above 0.25% in the next couple of prints ...that could become an issue.”
  (Stephanie Roth, [04:05])

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5. Politics, the Fed, and Independence

Timestamps: [04:46]–[05:26]

• Roth is clear on Fed independence but acknowledges political reality:

  “I genuinely think the Fed’s going to be independent. ...Trump might put some pressure on the Fed to act more dovishly ...Although he seems to have given Warsh some leeway in the most recent meeting. Because Warsh was more hawkish.”
  (Stephanie Roth, [05:00])

• She explains that appearing hawkish can help keep long rates in check:

  “If we come across as more hawkish, that will keep a lid on 10 year rates or longer duration rates and therefore actually accomplish what we want ...because we have established credibility.”
  (Stephanie Roth, [05:15])

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6. The "Family Fight" and Fed Internal Dynamics

Timestamps: [05:26]–[06:25]

• Roth invokes the idea of a “family fight” within the Fed—vigorous internal debate, united public front:

  “Warsh ...wants to have a family fight within the members and then come across with one more united conclusion at the end. ...So, the days of ...many dissents ...it seems that debate will happen more so in the room and then when they come out, it’ll appear to be a more united front.”
  (Stephanie Roth, [05:39])

• July and September could see heightened internal contention, compared to June.

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7. Fed Communication Strategy: Too Much or Too Little?

Timestamps: [06:25]–[07:50]

• Roth anticipates a shift in Fed communication, possibly reducing officials’ frequency in the media:

  “We might hear ...a little bit less often from some of the Fed officials in terms of their own views.”
  (Stephanie Roth, [06:42])

• On the transparency debate:

  “It is confusing for investors ...when you continuously hear various Fed officials with very different views ...But having very little communication will then increase a lot of volatility.”
  (Stephanie Roth, [07:50])

• Her preference: a moderate approach—some communication, but not as much as currently.

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8. Consumer Dynamics: K-Shaped Recovery Still in Play

Timestamps: [08:24]–[09:54]

• Discussing her recent research (“The Daily Froth: One Big Beautiful Summer”), Roth describes an economy split between thriving upper/middle-end consumers and struggling low-end consumers.

• She notes that while the low-end consumer is “left out of the recovery,” this hasn’t yet shown up significantly in macroeconomic data due to the resilience of the higher end:

  “From a macro perspective, it doesn’t really show up in the data in a big way. ...This middle to upper end consumer is really well off and their balance sheets are pretty good. ...They seem to be able to spend.”
  (Stephanie Roth, [09:11])

• Rising gasoline prices, though painful, haven’t been enough to slow higher-end spending.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Fed unity:

  “Warsh wants to have a family fight within the members and then come across with one more united conclusion at the end.” (Stephanie Roth, [05:39])

• On AI and price increases:

  “AI is notably inflationary, which is something we’re very much seeing in the data.” (Stephanie Roth, [01:57])

• On the communication challenge:

  “Having very little communication will then increase a lot of volatility...perhaps a little bit less communication. But I would pare it back only modestly.” (Stephanie Roth, [07:50])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Fed Minutes and Rate Hike Debate – [01:12]–[02:04]
• AI-Driven Inflation – [02:04]–[02:26]
• Geopolitical Inflation Risks – [03:07]–[03:58]
• Near-Term Rate Hike Triggers – [03:58]–[04:46]
• Politics and Fed Independence – [04:46]–[05:26]
• Internal Fed Dynamics (“Family Fight”) – [05:26]–[06:25]
• Fed Communication & Transparency – [06:25]–[07:50]
• Consumer Segmentation and Macro Impact – [08:24]–[09:54]

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

The discussion is measured, analytical, and full of real-world examples. Roth balances caution and optimism, emphasizing the temporary nature of current inflationary shocks and the importance of clear—but not overwhelming—Fed communication. She further highlights the resilience of higher-end consumers in propping up the economy, even as social concerns remain about those left behind.

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Transcript

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Bloomberg Audio Studios Podcasts, Radio news. All right, latest on the war continues to remain on the list of market risk factors. No doubt about it. Still an unknown. I think it's safe to say as we see the back and forth continuing, so too is what maybe Kevin Warsh may do when it comes to monetary policy. Although I feel like markets are getting more sure about what happens here in 2026.

[Co-host]

It feels like everyone's on pause. Even when you look at rate expectations using the warp function, pricing in a hike in the coming months. But even when you talk to strategists or people who are trading effects, it seems like that's more protective positioning as opposed to really betting that higher is the next move and higher comes quickly.

[Host]

All right, so let's get to it. We've got with us a guest who has called the family fight that took place three weeks ago. We're talking about the latest FOMC meeting. Delighted to have with us Stephanie Roth. She's chief economist at the independent suicide research firm Wolf Research, joining us here in studio. Stephanie, it's great to have you here. The Fed minutes showing a few officials saw a case for a June rate hike. What's your read on this? What's significant, if anything, out of the minutes?

[Stephanie Roth]

I mean, it's interesting that, you know, a few officials did want, did, did want a rate hike in June, probably no surprise. And we could perhaps, you know, guess which, which one of those officials they are. And, you know, otherwise it seems that they are, you know, concerned about the amount of inflation, but not overly so and, and expect that inflation should be coming down, but perhaps sticky in the near term. The thing to flag is that they noted AI is notably inflationary, which is something that we're very much seeing in the data.

[Co-host]

Yeah, no, that's what I wanted to ask because as much as we want to talk about higher oil costs, higher gas prices, obviously the events of the last 24 hours changes that. But when we look at the bottleneck around chips and what we're seeing passed along to consumers. Higher. Higher iPhone prices, higher. Xbox prices higher. How does the cost associated with AI impact your expectations for the next six months? The next 12 months, yeah.

[Stephanie Roth]

So we estimate so far that AI is boosting core PC inflation by about 40 basis points at least by the end of the year. Right now it's about 30 basis points. That should drift a little bit higher, especially as the Apple price increases feed into the data. Interestingly though, BEA is making some revisions to their data at the end of September that will then cut that in roughly in half, which is not great optics, although the change makes sense. So it is certainly having an impact on the inflation data so far. Our expectation is it won't really have a material impact from here. It will kind of be this sticky price increase similar to tariffs and the wear and war shock, which was certainly mentioned in the minutes as well. Those things should be one time in nature. The problem is we just have had continuous shocks that have impacted inflation and

[Host]

things going on longer than we anticipated. Here we are once again talking about attacks between the US and Iran. And it's interesting how the market seems to down slow somewhat, largely dismiss it. The energy markets obviously react, but I mean, do you look through it? Do you say, okay, it's just a matter of timing before everything really calms down, or is that still a major risk factor?

[Stephanie Roth]

It certainly is a risk at this moment. I think markets are trading it the right way, that this is probably not going to result in many more months worth of fighting. It might be a short period of time where this creates some pressure and then eventually they'll probably come to some sort of agreement. Neither side really wants to go back to full blown fighting. So our expectation is it doesn't result in oil prices rising to $100 and staying there for a while. Our expectation is it won't end up materializing into anything that's much more long lasting. But of course the risks are to the upside.

[Co-host]

Well, but with some of those risks, what are the biggest risks that could result in the Fed actually hiking in the next six months even?

[Stephanie Roth]

Yeah, so I think the risk is very short term. Either the Fed ends up hiking in July or September, although. Although otherwise the window probably has passed because it's really the next couple of months where data could remain elevated and, and then the pressures that we talked about, tariffs, AI related inflation, Iran related inflation, those should start to fade towards the end of this year. In which case the case for a hike in this environment is probably not really there. But if we end up with the unemployment rate actually sustainably ticking back down, the most recent tick down seems to be noise. If you end up with inflation running probably above 0.25% in the next couple of prints, in core PCE terms, that could become an issue.

[Host]

Does politics play into this? And I bring it in because politics plays into it feels like the Fed a lot. But we do have the midterms coming in. I hate to say this, but we often have this conversation around elections, midterms or otherwise. Do you think that's going to be a factor?

[Stephanie Roth]

I genuinely think the Fed's going to be independent. From that perspective, Trump might put some pressure on the Fed to act more dovishly than would otherwise be the case. Although he seems to have given Warsh some leeway in the most recent meeting. Because Warsh was more hawkish.

[Host]

Right.

[Stephanie Roth]

It was possible, it was explained to him, that if we come across as more hawkish, that will keep a lid on 10 year rates or longer duration rates and therefore actually accomplishing what we want to accomplish because we have established credibility.

[Host]

Speaking of independence, though, I want to ask you about within the family fight within the Fed, which I just, I love that and how you described it. Explain that specifically what you think is going on internally within the US Central bank.

[Stephanie Roth]

Yeah, so this is a phrase that Warsh has repeated a number of times when he talks about, about his approach to the meetings. He wants to have a family fight within the members and then come across with one more united conclusion at the end of it. So it seems the days of having many dissents and coming across as a very, that very much disagrees with one another, it seems that, that that debate will happen more so in the room and then when they come out, it'll appear to be a more united front. And that's, that's our sense in terms of the way this will play out in the next couple of meetings with where there might be a lot more disagreement. And July and September might be meetings where you'll have more of that disagreement. In June, it seems like very limited number of officials actually wanted to have a hike. So the need for that family fight was a little bit more modest. But in July and September, it could get a little bit more contentious.

[Co-host]

Well, with that in mind, how does some of these Feds, you know, going on, Bloomberg going on other competitors, talking about their expectations for this market behind closed doors is one thing. But when Fed members are asked questions about their view on the economy, their view on interest rates, that's playing out in public now.

[Stephanie Roth]

Yeah. And you know, we'll see if the communication style changes for, for Fed officials going forward. If they end there ends up being slightly fewer public statements from, from Fed officials or if they're out in the media, a little bit less than they have been as, as Chair Warsh tries to sort of rein in the communication style a bit. So I would expect we might hear more, a little bit less often from some of the Fed officials in terms of their own views. Of course we'll still hear from them, but perhaps it'll be a little bit less frequent. What?

[Co-host]

No, I was gonna say I feel like that was kind of the push from Walsh is to re evaluate how you message to the media and to the financial community. And I think that raises a valid question of what is the right way to do that.

[Host]

Well, what do you think? What do you prefer? Like I remember the day when we focused on Alan Greenspan's briefcase to figure out what was going on. We or the Fed would surprise you with a surprise rate move before the market open. And now it just seems like there's a lot out there that we digest and we kind of know how the Fed and its various members, certainly the voting members are thinking. What, what do you think is more is better? Is it more transparency or is it maybe holding back a little bit, guys?

[Stephanie Roth]

I mean, I think it's probably somewhere in the middle. I think it is confusing for investors to some extent when you continuously hear various Fed officials with very different views and then it's hard to kind of assess what's what. That said, having very little communication will then increase a lot of volatility and then it's hard for the market to assess what the Fed's reaction function is going to be because you don't really know. Regardless of, you know, the Fed, the market has to react to the data. But then beyond the data, then you have to think about well, what is the Fed even going to going to make of this data? And that creates a lot more volatility so perhaps a little bit less communication. But I would pare it back only modestly.

[Host]

One thing I want to ask you, and you've got a piece of research out that came out July 7, the Daily Froth, one big beautiful summer and talking about consumers and you know, it's interesting, they've had a lot coming at them, wars, higher gasoline prices and often we have folks say, you know, the consumer's doing well, they're spending, it depends on again going to the K shaped economy which leg you're on. From a social perspective, it matters that not everybody's doing well. We all know that. But a lot of folks say when it comes to the market or the economy, what really matters is the higher end and wealthier consumer. Is that the case? Or is there some point where that lower end consumer that's struggling is really going to matter? I mean, it should matter on a social basis, but I'm just saying in terms of how you all look at it.

[Stephanie Roth]

Yeah, I mean, and I agree with you, it's a problem that this low end consumer has been left out of the recovery, not in the market for the most part. Totally. It's a problem. That said, from a macro perspective, it doesn't really show up in the data in a big way. And you could have made this argument many times over the last couple of years. The low end consumer, it's gonna bleed into the middle end consumer and that's gonna bring down the economy. It hasn't played out that way because this middle to upper end consumer is really well off and their balance sheets are pretty good. They might complain about the level of prices, but at the end of the day, they seem to be able to spend. They've had a lot of stimulus come at them with one big beautiful bill. And. And the gasoline price increase hasn't been nearly enough to offset that.

[Host]

All right, going to leave it there. Hey, great stuff. Thank you so much.

[Stephanie Roth]

Thank you for having me.

[Host]

Yeah, great to have you. Stephanie Roth, chief economist at Wolf Research, joining us here in studio.

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