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David Gura
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Hakeem Jeffries
Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast here's the
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Podcast Host / Narrator
Thing, I talked to composer Marc Shaiman.
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Hakeem Jeffries
It's about the hang. It's the pleasure of hanging out with the people that you're with. You know Rob and I was always a great hang and journalist Chris Whipple. Every White House staffer, they work in a bubble called the West Wing and it' exponentially more so in the Trump White House. Listen to the new season of here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
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Hakeem Jeffries
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Podcast Host / Narrator
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David Gura
Bloomberg Audio Studios Podcasts Radio News welcome to the Bloomberg this Weekend podcast with David Gura, Christina Raffini and Lisa Mateo. Thanks for joining us for today's selection of conversations from the show.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
You can listen to our favorite discussions right here on the podcast, but also make sure to join us live every Saturday and Sunday morning starting at 7am Eastern.
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David Gura
We're on Bloomberg Television Radio and the Bloomberg Business App bringing you unique takes and in depth interviews on news, politics, lifestyle and culture.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
Democratic Leader in the House, My fellow Brooklynite Hakeem Jeffries joining us from Washington.
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David Gura
Leader Jeffries, thank you for joining us. I want to get right to it. The US Embassy in Israel has authorized departure for non essential personnel. That usually doesn't happen unless something is imminent. Do you expect the US to strike Iran this weekend and will Congress be informed in advance?
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Hakeem Jeffries
Well, that remains unclear we certainly have taken the position as House Democrats that prior to any military action, the Trump administration should seek authorization for the use of military force in connection with any strikes against Iran. That would be the functional equivalent of an act of war.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
You spent the better part of this week with your fellow Democrats at a retreat just outside of Washington, D.C. i know that a big focus of your attention was on this affordability agenda. I wonder if you could enumerate just a few points, proposals that you would make should you get the speaker's gavel, Democrats regain control of the House. On that agenda going forward, what are items that you think you could reasonably pass without breaking the bank?
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Hakeem Jeffries
Well, as House Democrats, we're committed to making life more affordable for the American people. Donald Trump promised to lower the high cost of living on day one. Costs haven't gone down. Costs have gone up. In fact, the inflation numbers today show that life continues to get more expensive for the American people because of the Trump administration policies, including the Trump tariffs that have increased costs on everyday Americans by thousands of dollars per year. One of the first things I think that we need to do is to make sure that these tariffs that have been randomly and recklessly put into place by Donald Trump can no longer move forward and Congress needs to regain its authority on trade and tariff issues. Second, of course, in connection with fixing our broken health care system, we have to extend the Affordable Care act tax credits. We're going to continue to fight to do that in the Senate this year. We've passed it, of course, out of the House, all 213 Democrats joined by 17 Republicans. This is a bipartisan issue. And in order to prevent tens of millions of Americans from experiencing dramatically increased health insurance premiums, we have to pass these tax credits so we can drive down the costs. That certainly is also a commitment of House Democrats.
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David Gura
Leader Jeffries on that to do list, I reached out to a senior Democrat, former member of the Biden administration, and I said, what would you ask Leader Jeffries? And they said, ask him what the plan is for border control. This is something that most Americans say they want. They want stronger borders. They may disagree with the way the president is going about it, but this is top of the agenda. And this individual said, I don't think Democrats have a plan, do you? And what is that?
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Hakeem Jeffries
Well, our plan is anchored in several values. We want order at the border, a safe, secure and strong border. We recognize that we have a broken immigration system and we need to fix it in a comprehensive and bipartisan way at the same period of time The American people are appropriately demanding that ICE enforcement is humane, it's fair, and it's just. And that's not what we're seeing right now. ICE is completely and totally out of control, which is why we're fighting for dramatic reforms to the way in which ICE conducts itself. That's bold, that's meaningful, and that's transformational, including things like a mandatory requirement that judicial warrants be obtained before ICE agents break into the homes of the American people. We want to make sure that there are independent investigations that state and local elected officials, state and local officials, like, for instance, the Attorney Generals can conduct in order to make sure that there's accountability when ICE agents violently break the law. We want to make sure that there's an excessive use of force prohibition policy that's put into place. We have to make sure that sensitive locations like houses of worship, schools, hospitals, and polling sites are protected from overreach by ICE agents or the dhs. Those are some of the policies that we'll continue to fight to achieve.
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David Gura
Should I spend it?
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Hakeem Jeffries
I think we want dramatic reform as it relates to the manner in which ICE conducts itself. That's anchored in the principle that taxpayer dollars should be used to make life more affordable for the American people, not to brutalize or kill them, as was the case with Renee Nicole Goode and Alex Preddy. Is that enough has to be brought under control? Of course, what I've said is that what we need to do, interior enforcement should be fair, just and humane. That's been the position that I've articulated from the very beginning of this extremism that's being unleashed on the American people. So that is why dhs, as a funding bill, has not moved forward at this point in time. And it will not move forward until there are changes that are bold, meaningful, and dramatic. The types of things that I've articulated,
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Podcast Host / Narrator
we've talked about border policy, talked about trade policy, child tax credit. I'm reminded of something that Alyssa Slotkin, the Democratic Senator, said recently, which was the suggestion, maybe Democrats need a version of Project 2025, a Project 2029, if you will. I think in saying that what she's getting at is there needs to be a clear value proposition for the American people to understand what Democrats are offering. Do you agree with her? Is she onto something there? Does there need to be a clearer outline of what Democrats proposing here going into the midterms of the next presidential election?
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Hakeem Jeffries
Well, I think heading into the midterm elections, what we've made clear is that the American people Deserve better. And we've said directly to them, you deserve better than the extremism that has been unleashed on everyday Americans. The assault on the economy, the failures as it relates to the high cost of living, the failures on health care, the failures as it relates to immigration enforcement, and the failures of Donald Trump and Republicans to make life better for the American people because they're so preoccupied with a whole host of other things, including massive tax breaks for their billionaire donors. That's what their one big ugly bill was all about. While at the same period of time, they gutted Medicaid, ripped away SNAP benefits from millions of Americans, and gave ICE a $75 billion slush fund. As Democrats, our approach is going to be very different. We'll be laser focused on driving down the high cost of living, fixing our broken health care system, and cleaning up corruption wherever it's found in the Congress, at the Supreme Court, and certainly with this administration, the most corrupt in American history.
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David Gura
We're coming into week two of that partial government shutdown. You just mentioned all the reforms that you want from dhs, and you're asking your party to hold the line on that. But realistically, as TSA agents start to miss paychecks, as airports slow down, as constituents start to feel the pain of this partial shutdown, do you think members of your caucus will stay strong on this or will you see defections like you did during the last shutdown?
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Hakeem Jeffries
Well, I think the outcome of the last shutdown was that House Democrats led the effort to pass a straightforward three year extension of the Affordable Care act tax credits. And 17 House Republicans joined us, marking the first time in American history that any Republicans in this Congress have voted affirmatively for the Affordable Care act tax credits or the Affordable Care Act. That was the outcome of our effort to draw a hard line in the sand on behalf of the American people. Now, this time around, we've basically made clear that it's unfortunate that Donald Trump and Republicans in the Congress have decided that they would rather shut down fema, shut down the Coast Guard and shut down tsa, as opposed to enacting the type of bold, meaningful and dramatic changes that will help transform DHS and its enforcement agencies in a manner that is consistent with our values.
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David Gura
But do you think your party is united enough to hold that line? And who is the leader of the Democratic Party right now?
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Hakeem Jeffries
I'm the House Democratic leader. We've got great members of the House Democratic Caucus as well that are leading in a wide variety of different ways. It's not my job to make determinations as to who's the Democratic Party leader. What I can tell you is that Democrats have won elections consistently for the last 14 months. And so whoever the leader may be, he or she is doing a great job because literally, we haven't lost a meaningful election in the entirety of the Trump administration. Winning races up and down the ballot across the country in places like New Jersey, in New York, in Virginia, in California, certainly during the off year elections last November in Mississippi, in Georgia, three state supreme court races that we swept in Pennsylvania and then went on to win races in Florida, the Miami mayors race for the first time in 30 years. And of course, these special elections that we've seen dramatic overperformance, most recently in Texas by 31 points, and then in Louisiana, the home state of Mike Johnson and Steve Scalise by 37 points in terms of an overperformance from the Trump number. So collectively, we're going to continue to message and communicate to the American people our values. Juxtapose that with the extremism that the Republicans are unleashing on the American people and let the chips fall where they may. Question about messaging.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
Interrupt there. Just quickly about messaging. And you're getting to this point. That is, I think there are a lot of people who are keen to run against and maybe support candidates who are running against the policies of this president. There are others who are looking for the Democrats to promote and campaign on policies of their own. What is your counsel to your caucus, those running on, how to find that balance between those two things, being anti Trump and being pro whatever the Democratic
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David Gura
Party's offering or something?
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Hakeem Jeffries
Yes, Well, I think what's been obvious over the last 14 months, and certainly this was the case no longer deniable by people who suggest that Democrats don't have a message, is that what has united us is the issue of affordability and our commitment to actually drive down the high cost of living. That was the case in New Jersey, that was the case in Virginia, that was the case in New York. Three very different type of candidates all united around the affordability issue because we believe there are far too many people. We're talking about millions of folks in this country who are working hard and who are playing by the rules, but who are unable to get by. They certainly aren't able to get ahead. They can't thrive and they are barely surviving. And that's unacceptable in the wealthiest country in the history of the world. And we believe that when you do those things, when you work hard and when you play by the rules, you should be able to live an affordable life, a comfortable life, live the good life. And we define that very clearly. Good paying jobs, good housing, good health care, a good education for your children, and when it's all said and done, a good retirement. That's what House Democrats are fighting hard to achieve for the American people.
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David Gura
I want to ask you about one of your Republican colleagues, Texas Republican Tony Gonzalez is facing criticism over allegations of an affair he had with a former staffer who later died by suicide. He has so far resisted calls to step down should he resign.
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Hakeem Jeffries
So these are extremely disturbing and very serious allegations, and it requires a very serious investigation. And it's my understanding that the Office of Congressional Counsel is in the midst of that investigation and in fact may be prepared to issue a report to us as members of Congress as early as Wednesday of next week. And once that report has been issued to us, then all options should certainly be on the table based on what the conclusions are in terms of that investigation.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
I want to ask you about a piece in the Washington Post about an executive order the president is reportedly considering. I'm going to read a quote here from Peter Tickton, who is someone who's pushing for this executive order. He said if the president were to declare a national emergency to grant him power over elections, that would empower the president to ban mail ballots and voting machines as the vectors of foreign interference. So effectively the argument the administration would be making is, as they see it, there was foreign interference, although not proven in the last election, that's grounds for the president to take more control of future elections. What are you going to do as the Democratic leader in the House if the president goes down that path?
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Hakeem Jeffries
Well, it's a crackpot conspiracy theory and we will not allow it to be brought to life. Certainly we won't allow it to be brought to life legislatively. Where the president threatened to abandon the way in which elections have been conducted for the better part of almost 250 years here in this country and try to nationalize them. This so called Save America act is dead on arrival in the Senate. It's not going anywhere. And this effort to abuse the notion of an emergency authority has already been defeated multiple times by the Supreme Court, a very conservative Supreme Court. The president tried to use emergency authority to federalize the National Guard. We of course, sued him, took it all the way up to the Supreme Court, and he was denied that ability, which is why the president was forced to pull out of places like Oregon, California and Illinois. The president claimed the authority to unilaterally Issue tariffs. Tariffs that are hurting businesses, hurting entrepreneurs, and certainly hurting farmers and consumers. We took that up to the Supreme Court. And the Supreme Court, including three very conservative justices, declared clearly that the president did not have that emergency authority with respect to tariffs and declared him unlawful and unconstitutional. And in the same vein, we'll use every tool available, including suing the heck out of him, if he tries to go down this road, to prevent him from trying to rig the midterm elections because he knows his presidency has been a failure, his policies have been a failure, and Republicans have failed America.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
Leader Jeffries, we've talked about the Democratic message. Let me ask you about what we've heard from the president on the campaign trail. This is a refrain he's used over and over again. Let me play it. You got to win the midterms. Because if we don't win the midterms, it's just going to be.
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Hakeem Jeffries
I mean, they'll find a reason to impeach me.
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David Gura
I'll get impeached.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
You call this the most corrupt administration in history. I wonder if you think impeachment is inevitable. And as you listen to Americans, maybe there are those who are worried about the fact that you have one administration impeaching the president. Sorry, One Congress impeaching the president, the administration switches. That could happen back and forth over and over again. Are you willing to rule out or commit to not impeaching the president if you were to get the speaker's gavel?
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Hakeem Jeffries
Yeah. What I'm willing to commit to is that we are going to fight hard to drive down the high cost of living. We believe that affordability is the core issue that the American people.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
But about impeachment. But about impeachment, is that something you're ruling out?
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Hakeem Jeffries
What I'm saying our priority is we're not ruling anything in and we're not ruling anything out. It's all premature. What we're focused on is a commitment to making sure we make life more affordable for the American people and fix our broken health care system. Now, of course, there's got to be accountability. This is the most corrupt administration in American history. And right now we are focused on delivering that accountability in terms of the administration directly to Kristi Noem, who we've called to be fired. And if she's not fired, we are committed to commencing impeachment proceedings against her. And we've just got to convince a handful of our Republican colleagues to do the right thing. She's a disaster. She's a stone cold liar. She called Renee Nicole good and Alex Preddy, domestic terrorist. She's unleashed these poorly trained agents to brutalize law abiding immigrant families and American citizens, in some cases killing them. And she clearly has to go.
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David Gura
Leader Jefferies, before we let you go next week, you're going to compel a vote of the full House on the bipartisan kind of Massey War Powers Resolution. I want to ask you, I've cover watched in a long time. War Powers act seems to come up constantly regardless of whether it's a Democratic or Republican administration. Is this a performative act at this point? Because frankly, if the president decides to bomb Iran or capture the president of Venezuela, what are you going to do about it?
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Hakeem Jeffries
Yeah. Well, what we have to do as the Article 1 branch of government is reclaim our authority as a separate and co equal branch, which unfortunately our Republican colleagues have declined to do, in fact.
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David Gura
So how can you do that?
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Hakeem Jeffries
Well, we can do it by beginning to actually bring legislation to the floor that is consistent with the values of our framers. They gave the House of Representatives the authority as it relates to appropriations because they knew taxation and spending were particularly important and the House was the closest institution to the people. They also gave us the authority to as it relates to trade and tariffs and they gave us the authority as it relates to the power to declare war. And unfortunately, over time we've seen an erosion of Congress exercising that authority. And our commitment on behalf of the American people is to regain that.
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David Gura
But can you do anything to stop a president who decides to take military action like this?
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Hakeem Jeffries
We have to do everything that we can to on behalf of the American people because the American people clearly know that the last thing we need at this moment when they literally are struggling, having to choose between paying rent, buying groceries or getting to go see a doctor when they need one, this is unacceptable in this country and the last thing we need is another failed foreign forever war, which certainly would be the outcome of if Donald Trump decides to get us entangled in Iran and the Middle East.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
The Democratic leader in the House, my fellow Brooklynite Hakeem Jeffries joining us from Washington. Representative Jeffries, thank you very much.
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David Gura
Thank you, sir.
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Hakeem Jeffries
Thank you.
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David Gura
Thanks for joining us on today's Bloomberg this weekend podcast. Don't forget to tune in live for the show every Saturday and Sunday morning starting at 7am Eastern.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
We're on Bloomberg Television Radio and the Bloomberg Business app bringing you unique takes and in depth interviews on news, politics, lifestyle and culture.
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Hakeem Jeffries
Hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, here's the
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Podcast Host / Narrator
thing, I talked to composer Mark Shaiman.
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Hakeem Jeffries
It's about the hang. It's the pleasure of hanging out with the people that you're with. You know, Rob and I was always a great hang. And journalist Chris Whipple, every White House staffer, they work in a bubble called the West Wing. And it's exponentially more so in the Trump White House. Listen to the new season of here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
This is Special Agent Riegel, Special Agent Bradley Hall.
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Hakeem Jeffries
The time is approximately 11:15am about to start consensual telephone call with Dr. Daiwa Zhang. China's Ministry of State Security is one
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David Gura
of the most mysterious and powerful spy
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Hakeem Jeffries
agencies in the world. But in 2017, the FBI got inside.
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Podcast Host / Narrator
I'd never seen that much evidence in my entire career, and I don't think we'll ever see that much evidence again. I now have several terabytes of an MSS officer, no doubt, no question of
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Hakeem Jeffries
his life, and that's a unicorn. This is a story of the inner workings of the MSS and how one man's ambition and mistakes opened its vault of secrets. Listen to the sixth Bureau from Bloomberg Podcasts starting on February 13th on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.