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The driving story this morning, one we continue to cover, is Vice President J.D. vance is in Switzerland meeting with delegates from Iran, Pakistan and Qatar.
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Meanwhile, President posting just moments ago on True Social Iran must immediately stop their highly paid proxies in Lebanon from causing trouble if they don't. We'll hit Iran hard, very hard, just like we did last week, only harder. Following three exclamation points signed President Donald J. Trump. Bloomberg's Bastian Van, right, is live at the summit. Bastian, I, I want to go back to. In a minute. The inconvenience for those mediators of having the President tweeting things out like this while they're in the room. But first, I want to talk to you about the photo op we saw earlier David and I were talking about. It was very odd because you had all these individuals step into a room where they have seats, they have microphones, they have places they're supposed to go. But we didn't see the Iranian delegation. We saw the Pakistanis, the Qataris and the Americans then pass this microphone back and forth. That was what we saw. We now have some reporting from a quasi official Iranian news agency. Tell us what happened there and how that sequence of events went down and how it's kind of indicative of what happens when you throw in these together last minute.
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Now, what we saw was that, like, as you said, the delegations from Qatar, Pakistan and the US US represented by Vice President Ban. Yeah. Passed the microphone back and forth and spoke. And you saw the Iranian envoy enter the room briefly and then go out again. So. And that definitely did not look planned. We then heard this reporting, which you are citing, that the Iranians did not want to bas basically do a shared photo with the Americans, but they, like, said we didn't want this and this is how this has happened. Now, this confirms definitely that these things, particularly like the public pictures, are highly contentious here. We have been hearing all day, like that has been wrangling behind the scenes on this, like on the pictures, however positive, to enter, leave on a positive note. Apparently after the cameras went off and the reporters left the room, all four parties went to talks. You said that, like, in this room you had seats for everyone and the cameras went off, the seats were filled, and all four, including the Iranians, started actually talks.
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All right, well, that's some good news.
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Let me ask you lastly, just about the role that Switzerland is playing here. So as we talk about the kind of disagreement over sort of what these photo ops will look like, I guess I would assume that the host country would be playing some role here in kind of establishing the contours of the conversation. What's going to happen? Who's going to be meeting with whom? Is Switzerland playing an active role here, or is this really being left to the Pakistanis and the Qataris No, I
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think Switzerland is at least trying to play an active role. We know that the Memorandum of Understanding itself was mainly brokered by Pakistan. However, the Swiss, because they are the ones who run the back channel between Iran and the US because there's no official diplomatic relations between the countries. The Swiss have been involved from the start and the Swiss foreign minister has had bilateral meetings with everyone. He talked to the Iranians this morning and he afterwards gave out a statement saying he talked about, like, how this Memorandum of Understanding can be translated into actionable steps.
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We appreciate it. Thanks for coming back, filling us in on what's been transpiring there. Basin Benrath Wright joining us from Lake Lucerne, Switzerland, where all this is unfolding. Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend, right after this.
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Okay, back to the UK now with Andy Burnham winning a parliamentary seat on Thursday, Keir Starmer has been under immense press political pressure to step down as UK prime minister. Though he said publicly he will not walk away from a leadership contest, it does appear now that may not be the case.
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Earlier this morning, UK Minister Peter Kyle told Sky News that Starmer was reflecting on the political realities he finds himself in. The Guardian also reporting that it is expected that Starmer will announce his departure on Monday. For more on Keir Starmer and his potential resignation from London, we are joined by DAYBREAK Europe banker Lizzie Burden. Lizzie, great to see you. We are trying to navigate all of this over the course of the morning, including the wild undulations of British politics. I mentioned Peter Kyle a moment ago. You had a marquee moment with him about a week ago when you broke the news to him the defense secretary was leaving Keir Starmer's cabinet. Talk about his role and the way in which we are getting some insight here into the kind of tenuous position that Keir Starmer is in.
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Well, thank you, David, for having me. Pig Tikhail, the business secretary, is an arch loyalist of Keir Starmer's and when we had that conversation, he was convinced that Keir Starmer wasn't going anywhere. It is a very different tone. We're hearing from the business secretary this morning, as you say, talking about the prime minister considering the political realities. He is at his official country residence of Chekers this weekend. It's been said that he wanted to talk to his wife and digest the situation over the weekend. You cite that observer report, many in the media now here speculating that the podium is going to be outside number 10 Downing street tomorrow and Starmer expected to lay out a timetable for his resignation.
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How do you see that timetable playing out? Do you think that that will happen almost immediately, or do you see him setting up kind of an extended exit to make sure that there is structure in place and a predecessor in place to come in after him, given how many Prime Ministers the UK has gone through in the last couple of years in an effort to find some sort of stability there?
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Yeah. Look, if we're going to get a new Prime Minister, this would be the seventh in the 10 years since the Brexit anniversary. It really makes you think that, ironically, we are seeing the political instability that the continent was once known for. In terms of that timetable ahead, it depends who's going to be taken over. Is it going to be Andy Burnham, the former Mayor of Manchester, who won that seat in North West England, the vote on Thursday, the result announced on Friday, or is it going to still be a leadership contest, not a coronation? So the likes of we're streeting the Health Secretary may yet want to throw their hat into the ring, but the Labour Party might not want to have this chaos unfolding in front of the nation, which the Conservatives remember were known for under Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, Rishi Sunak, they may want it to be more orderly and Keir Starmer wanting to preserve his dignity. In terms of the timetable, does it happen immediately? Does it happen over a longer period? Andy Burnham might want to have the summer to set out his policy agenda so that he can come in as Prime Minister for the Labour Party conference in September.
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I just keep thinking about the Liz Truss versus the head of Lettuce. Do we need to pick a different pick of a different produce here?
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Lizzie, for those joining the program already in progress, how did we get here? How did Keir Starmer sort of lose the faith of those in his party? How did his grip on governing become so loose? What. What happened over the course of his tenure?
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Well, of course there has been the long concern that he simply isn't charismatic enough to hold the attention of his party and of the nation personally. His ratings have been SL. That landslide vote that he won back in 2024, seen more as an anti Conservative vote than a pro Keir Starmer vote. And then the difficulties have only mounted. We had the Bloomberg investigation revealing the connections between Peter Mandelson, the former UK ambassador to Washington, Jeffrey Epstein, and the appointment process into Keir Starmer's government. And then most recently, we talked about the Defence Secretary, John Healey resigning. That was because Healey Perce believed that the defence spending in a time of war was inadequate. And then the real pressure has come in the past couple of days because of Andy Burnham winning this special election up north in England, whereby he won more votes than all the other parties combined. So you can't argue that he was simply the beneficiary of a split vote on the right. And many Labour MPs now saying, is this the man who should lead us into the next general election against Nigel Farage's Reform UK party? It seems like to many of them, Reform may have actually reached a peak now. And that is a question that we're asking because Andy Burnham was the face of Labour. It wasn't a question that was being asked when Labour got pretty much decimated in the local elections only in May. So do they want to have a new leader going into that general election? Well, according to our reporting, the majority of Keir Starmer's cabinet now want. Will they see it as inevitable that Starmer is going to be replaced by Burnham, and that includes the Foreign Secretary, Yvette Cooper.
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I want to talk to you about Burnham, but first I'm going to play you some sound from his victory speech.
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We have an opportunity to turn the tide, to make the country feel like
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it's working again, to make people see
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that politics can make a positive difference,
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to make people feel hope again.
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Look, it's always easier to be the candidate than the principal. But you mentioned that Keir Summer is deeply unpopular. One of his big liabilities seems to be his inability to communicate. People criticize him for just being boring and not being able to get even the victories across. Is this something Burnham does better and what are his potential liabilities?
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That's what's the perception of Andy Burnham, that he is somebody who is not necessarily more charismatic, but is just a more normal guy. He's known as the King of the North. He's been extremely popular as Mayor of Greater Manchester. The question now is whether he can translate that on a national scale, because he can't just be a professional northerner. As the Prime Minister, he's got to represent the whole of the United Kingdom. I should know, I'm a northerner myself. But look for markets. Those comments when he said that the Westminster shouldn't be in hock to the bond market are really difficult to forget. Since then, he's tried to walk that back. He said that he was misunderstood, that he would follow the Chancellor's fiscal rules. But then his team privately saying that he wouldn't reappoint Rachel Reeves as chancellor when he's been mayor of Manchester. There's talk of Manchesterism, but that means many, many things to many people. It could mean more collaboration between the public and private sectors. It could mean more devolution to local governments. But again, he isn't going to be in local government. So is he going to really want that? There's an old joke in Westminster that a Brownite, a Blairite, a Corbynite walk into a bar and the bartender says, what are you having, Mr. Burnham? Because over his long career in politics, he has worn many hats under the different previous leaders of the Labour Party. We just don't know which Andy Burnham we would get. But if he is saying that he's going to have all this change when it comes to his team and his policy, his mandate is going to come into question. So do we need another general election?
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Thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate you taking the time. Lizzie Burton, she is our anchor of Daybreak Europe. Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend right after this.
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I think the theme for Tuesday is going to be Zoran Mandani's influence. We have a bunch of congressional races, particularly in New York City, where it's a battle between the Democratic Socialists of America and Zoran Mamdani and, you know, kind of like the Democratic establishment. So we have Claire Valdez, who is a longtime ally of Zoron, up against Antonio Reynoso in Brooklyn. We have Dan Goldman, the incumbent, up against Brad Lander. He was supported by Zoron in the mayoral and again for the congressional. And we have Adriano Espaillat, the chair of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, up against a late surging, potentially a big upset in Darielisa Avila Chaviler. And she was also endorsed by Zorin. So it's a real test of Mamdani's influence and we're gonna, we're gonna find out.
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Let me sit with The New York 10. My congressional district, Brad Lander out and about at the Prospect park soiree last night where I might have been in attendance.
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There's some pictures of that, some people
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I'm not going to show them on television. It was a revelrough night. But I bring it up because Christina rightly asking, we're talking about Iran, we're talking about foreign policy. This is a race, one of several, I think, where issues of foreign policy have had a huge influence on sort of what voters are voting for when they go to the polls this week.
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That's right. And it's not just Brad Lander's race. It's also even in Claire Valdez versus Antonio Reynoso. You have two people who both call Israel what's happening in Gaza a genocide. But Claire is saying to Antonio, well, you didn't call it a genocide soon enough. And that's really kind of like I think describes the mood in Brooklyn right now where you have this surge of progressive voters that came out for Zoron and they are really animated by this issue. Even in Esplat's district, you have people accusing super PACs of being funded by AIPAC or if you took money from a donor who owns also donated to aipac, then all of a sudden that money is tainted. And you're right, it is an extremely animating issue, almost more so than domestic issues like benefits or, or how public housing, things like that. It's, it's, it's wild.
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It's so interesting. The opposite of all politics are local at the moment. All politics are everything. I'm also wondering, we've been talking a lot throughout this primary season about the Trump endorsement and whether or not these Republican moderates getting primary to the right is going to hurt them in the general election. I think I want to ask the reverse question to you is getting the Mamdani endorsement may get you the primary, but is that going to become a liability for Democrats when they go to run the bigger race?
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You know, Zoran hasn't endorsed any Democrat who's facing a competitive general election. We have some competitive general elections, particularly in New York. 17 Mike Lawler in Westchester and Rockland, we have Laura Gillen and Tom Suozzi on Long Island. But I think Zoran, first of all, they're not.
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So these are mostly seats where it comes down to who gets the primary win and then you're pretty much fait accompli going to win the seat.
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Yeah. And it's almost like the favorite or the competitive Democrats in those battleground districts. Zoran's not going to want to endorse them anyway because they're not anti billionaire socialist free buses and grocery stores. So there's probably multiple reasons why they're not going to endorse each other.
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Let's hear from the mayor himself. We have a clip of him talking about his slate of candidates, the our team, our year slates. Take a listen to what he had to say.
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Now people often ask me what I think of the state of the Democratic Party. This slate here today is Our answer, The Democratic Party, that must change because the party of the past will not
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For we need a Democratic Party with backbone.
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Jason, here we are not even a year in his mayorality, and I'm curious of what we know now about Mayor Madani as kind of a larger Democratic figure. There is this tendency during the primary and the general election to say, like, is he the leader of the Democratic Party? What role is he playing here? But as he amasses the slate of candidates and talks about in broad philosophical terms what the party should be doing, how is he filling that vacuum? What is the role that he's playing now within the Democratic Party broadly?
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You know, it's not just in Congress in D.C. it's also in the state legislature here in New York. He's backing a number of state lawmakers to try to change the makeup of the state legislature, the laws we pass in New York. And, you know, I think he sees his ambitions as broader than New York. He's going on streams with Hasan Piker. And you know, the Washington Post reported that he was going to meet with the Colombian president Petro. So he sees his project as bigger. But he's definitely, he's not afraid to get into the weeds and back the local assembly candidate or the local state senator. And I think he really wants the New York Democratic Party to be more socialist, more, more like Bernie Sanders vision.
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You mentioned Mike Lawler, who we've had on the show a couple of times. How vulnerable is that seat?
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I would say it's one of the most vulnerable seats in the country. And he knows that, or we, it seems like he knows that. You know, he's only.
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Why do you say that?
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He's only one of three Republicans that held onto their seat when their district voted for Kamala Harris. A lot of these battleground congressional districts, when you break it down, they voted for Trump in 2024. His district voted by Kamala Harris by a hair and cook political report they used to say was lean Republican. Now it's a toss up. So they've assessed that it's even more competitive than just lean Republican. I think he's scared. He's getting involved in that Democratic primary. He's meddling a little bit. He wants to pick his opponent. We'll see if that works out for him. It's a gamble.
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We've got about a minute left, but this is a very crowded primary in that congressional district of five candidates who are vying for the chance to go up against him.
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Is there a clear Frontrunner Kate Connelly. She's an army veteran. She's from D.C. she used to work in Biden's White House and counter intel, counterterrorism. She's getting attacks from Lawler. Lawler's trying to attack her. All the other Democrats are attacking her.
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The problem might seem like she's the biggest competition.
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Seems like that one liability she has is that she moved to the district just a month before announcing her campaign. So I'm sure that when we get to the general, if she wins, she's going to get a lot of carpet bagging accusations.
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There you go. Jason Beiferman of Politico, thank you very much, covers New York politics for Politico.
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Welcome back to Bloomberg. This weekend next month, the FDA will hold a summer meeting to consider easing restrictions on certain peptide injections. Wellness enthusiasts, biohackers swear by them. They are synthetic strings of amino acids that users say can help with everything from tendinitis to getting a tan. Health and Human Services Secretary RFK Jr. A fan of fixing tendinitis and tans as well, said this to Joe Rogan. I mean, I'm a big fan of peptides. I've used them myself and use them with really good effect. You know, with a couple of injuries
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in the Biden era, compounding pharmacies were effectively banned from producing several peptides. That pushed a lot of users underground. But that could be changing.
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You have no idea. And a lot of this stuff that we've looked at is just, you know, is very, very substandard. Oh, I'm very anxious to move not,
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probably not all of those peptides.
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Some of them are in litigation, but about 14 of them back to making them more accessible. My hope is that they're going to
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get moved to a place where people have access from ethical suppliers.
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So how is this market preparing to move out of the shadows? Bloomberg Businessweek senior writer Amanda Mull has a new piece of looking at the billion dollar peptide gold rush. Amanda, I do want to say to you, I do know someone who did one of these legally Gray. I wasn't really sure if it was legal or not kind of peptide injections a couple years ago and now they were just telling me they can go get the same thing essentially somewhere else. And it seems to be more above board. So can you talk to us about the landscape of what this all looks like at the moment and where it's going?
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Yes, well, at the moment everything is still pretty black market, pretty illegal to be compounded in a licensed compounding pharmacy. But what we've seen over the past few years is a lot of drug suppliers in the US Being more open minded about how they follow Those regulations, shall we say? Because there is a lot of signaling from the Trump administration, from RFK Jr. In particular, that there is interest in making these medications legally available in the US through compounding pharmacies. A lot of suppliers are saying, well, we're probably not going to be enforced against right now, so why don't we get into this a little bit early and start building our customer base, basically.
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Amanda, what does this economy look like? I mean, I'm still flabbergast that people are so willing to just inject themselves with stuff. Seems like they are. But kind of money are we talking about here? And so were this to be opened up by regulators to sort of have a more, less gray, more clear space for this stuff, how much money are we talking about?
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Well, the back of the napkin math on the current state of the peptide market in the U.S. the black market itself is about 1 billion to $2 billion based on the folks that we talked to for the story. And it could double, triple, it could get a lot bigger if this, this group of 14 peptides that RFK referenced in the earlier clip is made legal to compound. So we're talking about billions and billions of dollars in potential upside for people who are fast movers into the space in potentially the very near future.
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Can you remind us what, what qualifies as peptides? Like what are the most popular ones we're talking about and what do they do?
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Right. A lot of the reason that peptide drugs have, have become so interesting to so many people is that GLP1 drugs are peptide drugs, the P in GLP1 peptide. And they are of course legal, widely available, safe and extremely effective. So you've got millions of people in the US currently on one of these drugs. And then you've got their friends, family members, co workers looking at them and going, wow, they've lost a ton of weight. They say that they feel incredible. Obviously these things work. So what other kinds of peptide drugs are out there? Like you have this class of legal and highly effective drug that has made people go, okay, well, well if this is so effective, maybe self injected drugs at home are the future of health. So you have an example of something that we know to be safe. And then you have all of these other substances that have been over the years developed or experimented with by researchers or drug companies that are out there, that the structure of them is publicly available. So you've got suppliers overseas and sellers in the US Going, well, what harm could it do?
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We have a crazy graphic showing the increase of some of these drugs the volume increased 12,000% from 2023 to 2025. And I'm wondering, to David's point, if part of that is just the barrier to getting people to jab themselves with needles has really, really come down. Because it used to be basically, you know, if you were doing ivf, if you were diagnosed diabetic, if you had a complicated medical situation, those were the only people who I knew were regularly using needles from a pharmacy. The rest of us, that's something you would go to the doctor for. Now, you know, I know so many people who are on GLP1s and then I know so many people who have started ordering them from compounding pharmacies where you don't even get the little hidden needle injector, you get literal vials and syringes. And people seem kind of used to this. So is this, is that one of the biggest barriers or are there other reasons these are seen such an uptick all of a sudden?
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I think that the sort of collective population level comfort with self injection is a huge element in all of this. In the early days of developing the drug that came to be Ozempic, drug companies were sort of unsure if going forward with this kind of drug would even be worth it on a financial level because there was such a belief that nobody is self injecting at home unless it's an existential thing, unless it's insulin in order to continue living, things like that. So, you know, we have come a really, really long way in our understanding of the population level willingness to self inject. And I think that that goes back once again to GLP1 drugs and people going, you know, it's apparently it is safe and effective to inject these things at home and people are getting over their fear of needles. And on top of that, you also have the med spa phenomenon where again, you have things like Botox and filler where you get a quick, highly effective, visible result from an injection. And a lot of people either have had these types of injections themselves or know people who get them all the time. So the mystique of self injection and of needles in general has just. It's a lot less scary to a lot, to a lot more people.
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Man, we've talked a lot about kind of the compounding pharmacy side of things. If I'm an executive at a major pharmaceutical, pharmaceutical company spending many billions of dollars to develop traditional pharmaceuticals, how closely am I paying attention to this? How much is this of interest to me? How much am I thinking this is something that could really disrupt the kind of drug landscape more broadly, I think
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you're paying attention to it quite closely because you've got a couple elements involved here. You've got like a clear market signal that there is like wide consumer demand for a particular type of medication. But then you've also got a signal in the, in the market that they are looking to get it other places that they are looking to get it cheap, that they are looking to get it from, you know, in situations where they have to mix it together themselves. So in compounding pharmacies, there's thousands of them across the US they play a lot of roles in our medication supply in the US but one thing that they do is they can mix up a lot of different types of medications and they can adjust them to doctor prescriptions or patient needs. So you have thousands of drug suppliers essentially across the country that can sort of exclude you from all of these sales because these peptide drugs that are being sold right now are sort of, they don't exist under patents where big pharma can sell them right now, even if they were developed by them originally.
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All right, Amanda, we're going to have to leave it there, but it was fascinating. Thank you so much for joining us.
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On this Father's Day, some dads may be content with a day of golf, fishing, World cup, perhaps anchoring a morning show. I'm just going to throw that out there.
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But for some dads or dads to be who maybe need a little help navigating fatherhood, you may find the how to section of the bookstore a little sparse. Our next guest sought out to change that writing in the weekend essay fatherhood Books are Failing Modern Dads. We Talked to Kevin McGuire about what he thinks needs to change for this generation of dads.
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We're undergoing just this significant shift in what it means to be a dad today. It's like we look at the generations of men who've come before us and fatherhood was really set in stone for the longest time. You know, you were expected to provide, preside and protect these kind of three traditional anchors of fatherhood. And over the last generation, there've just been these fundamental shifts in what it means to be a dad today. You know, in, in the US 1/3 of marriages, men and women earn the same. In one sixth of marriages in the US the woman earns more. So like just even you're looking at father as sole provider, as kind of what used to be a bedrock of fatherhood. This has shifted. And you know, when I was, I've been a dad for 12 years. The reason I can't be on the show is My daughter turns 12 today.
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Congratulations.
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Thank you. And what I've been seeing is just like there is no, there is no literature out there that is reflecting this different version of fatherhood that we're all kind of trying to navigate. These are uncharted seas and we're out there without a map.
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I wonder if that's breeding some of the resentment too, because you have seen, especially here in the us kind of a backlash and this move towards, you know, going back to being more traditionally gender roles in the family and the. And men are, you know, talking about being. Needing to be providers and that's their traditional jobs is part of the problem that there isn't a really good blueprint for the alternative. A lot of these books are still kind of formed around those gender roles. And that's maybe making it more difficult for men who might want to entertain a new or different way to do that, to find space.
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There are, there are a lot of kind of like the solidifying of these all gender roles. And definitely, you know, I write a newsletter and the book is called the New Fatherhood. And it's all about this, this, this kind of different version of fatherhood that we're trying to intentionally craft. But there is. This is a very kind of much more left progressive idea than what is the traditional fatherhood that people are still, you know, reaching back. And they were like, we want a time when men used to be men. And, you know, being a father was much simpler and easier because, you know, there wasn't really a lot of parenting that you had to do. You were allowed to just. You were allowed, you were encouraged to just go, go back to work and you would work on your job and that was it.
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I know a lot of parents and dads who want to do more, and I know a lot of moms who are trying to navigate this too. You write about how you think books for moms are very different than books for dads. Why do you think that is? What's the issue there?
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Well, I mean, you talk to any. Any couple and a husband and a wife who are in any kind of a disagreement will go into this similar pattern, which is a wife will talk about a problem that is happening, and a husband will immediately jump to how do I fix it? And the books that are available for dad follow this thinking as well. It is a series of checklists. It's a series of things that you have to get through. And the kind of idea is that these old books position fatherhood as something that should be endured and not enjoyed. And those are the good fatherhood books. Now, there are a lot of Bad ones. And the bad ones are all kind of centered in this language of the Survivalist's guide to fatherhood, the Caveman's guide to Fatherhood. You know, like, how to get through, like, the initial six months. And even this thinking, it leads men to. It gives them permission to just look at fatherhood as this idea of, like, well, I just have to. If I get my head down and I work hard, I'll be able to get through the first 12 months of my kid's life. And, like, there is so much more opportunity out there. There's a mindset shift that if we lean into it, we can see fatherhood for this incredibly abundant time in our lives, not just for a better relationship with our children, but newfound levels of empathy that help us be better managers at work, better leaders, better friends, better partners. But it kind of has to come from the things that we're reading and the conversations that we're having.
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C
I know there is irony here because you've written a book called the New Fatherhood, but is there. Is there something wrong with this genre? Because as the parents who are sitting next to me were saying, you can read a million books, but each kid is different, each family is different, each person's situation is different. What's the best way to take into that advice? But then, kind of, as you're saying, enjoy the moment, enjoy your children, and enjoy parenthood.
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H
You know, I think about work as identity as a core thing. And I write about this in the book. I talk about this all the time, which is, you know, historically, men have passed on a. They've passed on a career. They've passed on a trade to their children. Historically, they passed it on to their sons, and they passed it on with a surname. So, you know, you look at Butcher, Spicer, Baker Taylor, there are all of these names, which was just. Literally, it was what you do, and you took that and you gave it to your kids. And work formed this core part of our identity and who we are for so long. And now we're starting to realize that, well, if all I am is the person I am inside of work, well, if work doesn't start to go well, everything starts to fall apart. And what men are doing now is they're looking at different avenues in their life to find fulfillment and meaning, and they're realizing that the tap that's marked family is so much more. You know, you can turn it on, and the fulfillment will come gushing out versus the tap marked career. You can be squeezing it for all it's worth. To just get like a little bit of meaning out of it.
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