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Hoe houd je de Amerikanen binnenboord zonder je in een oorlog als Iran te laten meeslepen? Viert de diplomatie hoogtij? Te gast is Anna van Zoest, directeur van de Atlantische Commissie, in BNR's Big Five van Trump op Oorlogspad.

Gasten in BNR's Big Five van Trump op oorlogspad

-Peter Wijninga, defensiespecialist verbonden aan HCSS

-Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, voormalig secretaris-generaal van de NAVO

-Kenneth Manusama, jurist en Amerikadeskundige

-Anna van Zoest, directeur van de Atlantische Commissie

-Jilles van den Beukel, energiespecialist verbonden aan HCSS

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