Bone Valley Q&A with Gilbert King: Unveiling Justice and Redemption
Episode Overview
In this insightful Q&A episode of Bone Valley, hosted by Maggie Freleng, Gilbert King, the acclaimed author of the Pulitzer Prize-winning book Devil in the Grove, delves deep into the intricate case of Michelle Schofield's tragic death and the wrongful conviction of her husband, Leo Schofield. This episode explores the profound impacts of the case, the emergence of Jeremy Scott as the true perpetrator, and the emotional narratives surrounding all involved parties.
Season Two: Reception and Challenges
Maggie Freleng begins the discussion by expressing her admiration for Season Two of Bone Valley:
"I just finished listening to season two and I did not think it was possible to be better or equal to one. I wouldn't say better, but it is absolutely fantastic." (01:34)
Gilbert acknowledges the complexities involved in continuing the story:
"it didn't come together easily, that's for sure." (02:01)
The season serves as a comprehensive epilogue to the initial investigation, seamlessly advancing the narrative while maintaining its gripping essence.
Leo Schofield's Health and Recovery
A significant portion of the conversation centers on Leo Schofield's severe motorcycle accident in January, which left him bedridden for three months with multiple injuries. Gilbert provides an update on Leo's condition:
"He's finally out of bed, and he can get into a wheelchair now. He's still got some leg issues... but overall, I would say he's markedly improved." (02:27)
Despite the physical challenges, Leo's psychological state shows considerable improvement, especially as he regains some independence by being able to drive.
Jeremy and Leo's Complex Relationship
Maggie inquires about the current state of the relationship between Jeremy Scott and Leo:
"Did they keep one? Have they spoken again?" (04:08)
Gilbert explains the delicate nature of their interactions:
"They have not spoken again yet... Jeremy's back in solitary confinement, and Leo's still struggling with health a little bit." (04:16)
However, there is hope for future reconciliation:
"Jeremy specifically said, I hope someday I can sit face to face with Leo and apologize for what I've done." (05:04)
Jeremy Scott's Struggles Within the Prison System
The discussion shifts to Jeremy Scott's tumultuous experience in prison. After being transferred back to a facility with a history of violence, Jeremy's behavior led to further complications:
"He sort of requested that he go back into solitary. He felt safer there... So he's back in CM2." (05:31)
Gilbert highlights the systemic issues that hinder rehabilitation and proper management of violent offenders.
Justin Schofield's Emotional Journey
Justin, Leo's son, grapples with his family's harrowing past while balancing his own life:
"He's got a new family, a new child. And so he's been a little bit like, this is my priority right now." (06:47)
Despite his current focus, Justin remains emotionally tethered to the unfolding story, contemplating deeper engagement once his immediate responsibilities settle.
Exploring Male Emotions and Vulnerability
Maggie praises the podcast for its authentic portrayal of male emotions:
"We're exploring male emotions and these things that men don't often talk about." (07:13)
Gilbert shares his unique connection with Jeremy, noting moments of unexpected vulnerability:
"He didn't really try to pull the tough guy routine with me... he would get emotional about things, and he would show this kind of empathy." (07:41)
This dynamic challenges conventional perceptions of masculinity and opens avenues for deeper understanding.
Confronting Death and Identity in Prison
The somber topic of death in prison arises when discussing Jeremy's thoughts on his final arrangements:
"He'll claim his body... it's a pretty dismal place." (09:43)
Gilbert paints a bleak picture of the prison cemetery, emphasizing Jeremy's struggle with his identity and legacy.
Ethical Storytelling and Objective Reporting
Addressing the delicate balance between empathy and objectivity, Maggie questions Gilbert's approach:
"How do you navigate that line between your emotional involvement with these people and being able to tell the story objectively?" (11:21)
Gilbert reflects on his ethical stance:
"As long as I'm being honest with the subject, honest with myself, and trying to respect listeners, I don't want to be like, I'm also trying to get Jeremy out of prison." (13:10)
He underscores the importance of integrity in storytelling, especially when dealing with such emotionally charged subjects.
Florida's Response and the Path Toward Exoneration
Gilbert expresses optimism about Florida acknowledging past injustices:
"I have high confidence that this is going to happen... Florida understands that the integrity of the criminal justice system is also at play." (16:25)
Drawing from his experience with Devil in the Grove, he believes systemic changes are possible despite the challenges.
The Ripple Effects of Wrongful Convictions
The failure to prosecute Jeremy Scott in a timely manner had dire consequences, leading to multiple subsequent murders:
"He left fingerprints at every murder he committed... What's the problem here?" (22:00)
Gilbert emphasizes the critical importance of accurate and prompt justice to prevent further tragedies.
Community Support and Listener Engagement
Unexpectedly, the podcast has galvanized a community of listeners who reach out in support:
"More people have reached out to me about Jeremy than Leo, believe it or not." (27:09)
This phenomenon highlights the complex nature of human empathy, even toward individuals deemed as perpetrators.
Personal Reflections: Justin and Jamie's Reactions
The emotional toll of the podcast on Leo's family is palpable. Justin finds the revelations overwhelming:
"He told me, I just... I'm not ready to listen to the last episode." (25:21)
Conversely, Jamie appreciates the podcast's fair and thorough approach:
"She was very proud of this way you handled the story... she just really wants to meet Leo one day." (23:49)
Their varied responses underscore the multifaceted impact of such stories on families.
Supporting Figures: Mary and Community Outreach
Mary, a pivotal supporter for Jeremy, embodies compassion and unwavering support:
"She's like a motherly figure to Jeremy, and he really does allow her to play that role in his life." (25:41)
Her dedication highlights the potential for human connection and support even in the bleakest circumstances.
Ethical Storytelling and Victim Respect
Maggie raises concerns about giving a platform to a convicted murderer:
"What about victims? We don't give a shit about this guy. Why are we hearing a whole story about a murderer?" (37:43)
Gilbert defends the podcast's intent to balance empathy with accountability:
"I am trying to get him charged for the murders he committed, actually... he didn’t have any issues except he wanted to meet his family." (37:43)
This balance ensures that the victims' narratives remain central while exploring the perpetrator's humanity.
Understanding and Preventing Future Crimes
The conversation concludes with reflections on Jeremy Scott's troubled upbringing and the potential for interventions:
"He was homeless at 9... abusing drugs and alcohol... his family really wasn't there for him." (40:34)
Gilbert advocates for robust social programs and early interventions to prevent similar futures for at-risk youth.
Conclusion: A Legacy of Redemption and Empathy
In wrapping up, Gilbert shares his profound respect for Justin and the overarching themes of forgiveness and understanding that permeate the podcast:
"He's a kid... He just says some really profound things about forgiveness and acceptance." (42:30)
The episode serves as a testament to the complexities of justice, the possibilities of redemption, and the enduring human spirit in the face of adversity.
Bone Valley continues to shed light on the intricate narratives of justice, wrongs, and the paths toward healing, offering listeners a profound exploration of human emotions and systemic challenges.