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Are you one of the few who actually pursued your dreams? Only to discover that there is no such thing as "arriving". You don't get to the other side. Your dream isn't something you achieve...it turns out. So what happens next?

In this episode, I sit down with June Suepunpuck, also known as the Joy Guide June, for a deeply honest conversation about what happens when chasing your dreams leaves you feeling empty, burned out, and questioning everything you thought you wanted.

Together, we explore the messy middle—that liminal space between who you thought you were and who you’re becoming.

June shares her personal journey, from following the “right” path and achieving success on paper to experiencing profound loss, burnout, and eventually, a radical rethinking of what true joy means. She opens up about the importance of letting go of old identities, facing uncomfortable truths, and un-learning the pressure to prove your worth.

This conversation is full of warmth, humor, and wisdom and is all about finding alignment, building community (even through adult friendship struggles!), and navigating all the unexpected twists of personal transformation.

If you’re wondering why reaching your goals hasn’t brought you the fulfillment you imagined—or if you’re craving permission to step into the next chapter with more honesty and joy—this episode is for you.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

Why chasing the “dream” or "performing success" doesn’t deliver joy or fulfillment—and what truly does
How to recognize when you’ve outgrown your current path and the courage it takes to choose something more true to who you are
Finding joy as a practice, not a destination, especially as a creative, empath, or entrepreneur
Embracing “the messy middle” and learning that real transformation rarely looks picture-perfect
Why community, vulnerability, and the willingness to be witnessed are essential (and healing) for creative, soul-led leaders

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