A (2:07)

That's excessive. Totally do it right now. If you're a smarty cast member, thank you times a million. We'll dedicate a sandwich closet in your honor. If you're not a member yet, it's the best way to make sure, smart kid. First, shows like this one, stick around. So sign up@brainson.org thanks, Molly.

D (2:29)

Mark, a shipment of 100 very delicious looking sandwiches just came in. Do we have anywhere to put them?

A (2:36)

Oh boy, do we ever. Brains on. You're listening to Brainzon, part of the Brainzon universe. I'm Molly Bloom and my co host today is Ava from West Melbourne, Florida. Hi Ava.

B (2:53)

Hi, Molly. So cool to be in your new place.

A (2:56)

Did you see the Lego chandelier?

B (2:58)

Loved it.

A (3:00)

The burrito bushes ate it. The corner where we keep a deep and expansive Void that stares back at you.

B (3:08)

Contemplated it.

A (3:09)

We're pretty happy with the new place, even if it's a work in progress. But I had to stop unpacking to help answer your question.

B (3:16)

Yeah. I asked, how is metal made?

A (3:19)

Great question. So, Ava, when you picture metal, like, what's the first thing that pops into your mind?

B (3:25)

Jewelry or technology?

A (3:27)

Do you have a favorite kind of metal? Gold. Very nice. Yeah. Metal is a name we use to talk about a lot of different materials.

B (3:37)

Yeah. Sort of like saying fish.

A (3:39)

There are groupers, salmon, tuna, marlins.

B (3:43)

All are unique, but they're also all fish.

A (3:46)

It's the same with metal. There's gold, steel, lead, and tiny.

B (3:52)

They're all unique, but again, also all metals.

A (3:55)

So, Ava, what inspired this question about how metal is made?

B (3:59)

I was fidgeting with, like, one of my bracelets that had metal on it one time, and I have multiple bracelets that are, like, different kinds of metal. They're the same color, but they're slightly different. And I was wondering, how are they made?

A (4:16)

That's a great source of a question. So you're just, like, looking around and being like, what is this thing? So I'm wondering, how often do you have a question about the world? Is it, like, all the time or is it just once in a while?

B (4:27)

I say it's pretty constant. Like, a lot.

A (4:31)

So what are some other questions that have popped in your head lately that you remember?

B (4:35)

Well, I remember I was in the car with my dog, and I was playing with him with his tennis ball, and I was throwing it up in the air, and we were moving forward, but the ball wasn't going backwards, which I thought was kind of weird, but also really cool.

A (4:51)

That is really cool. And, Ava, you sound like you're Albert Einstein for real. Like, one of the smartest people in the world. He, like, wondered that exact same thing. That's so cool. Metal is neat, and we use it for so many things, from jewelry and silverware to giant ships and skyscrapers.

B (5:09)

It's also used to make wires for electricity. It's in our phones and computers. It's everywhere.

A (5:15)

And like we said, there's so many kinds of metal, too.

B (5:20)

Iron, copper, steel, aluminum, brass, nickel, gold, silver, bronze.

D (5:28)

Ah, gold, silver, bronze. Three medals. I've never won at the Olympics. Hey, Ava and Molly.

A (5:34)

Hey, Sandon. Why are you dropping by?

D (5:37)

Well, I have a quick unpacking question. You see, I found this box mixed in with the other boxes for our library.

A (5:43)

But.

D (5:43)

But it's full of bees, so it goes with the apiary.

B (5:47)

But I Kind of forgot where we put that apiary.

D (5:50)

An apiary is a fancy name for the place you keep your bees. We have a hive that helps pollinate our garden.

A (5:55)

Stanon, that box has bee like the letter B. It's filled with books that start with B. That's why it's in the library pile. Oh.

D (6:05)

I was wondering why it felt like books, smelled like books, and also sounded like books. Thanks, Molly.

A (6:12)

Later. Okay, back to metal. And your question. How is metal made? The truth is, most metal isn't made here on Earth.

B (6:22)

We often find metal, or we take metal and mix it with other things to make new kinds of metal.

A (6:28)

But the raw stuff, the origins of metal, that comes from massive exploding stars.

B (6:37)

Oh, I want to try that. Massive exploding stars. So cool.

A (6:45)

Truly, like most things, the raw materials for metal are made inside really huge stars. Think of them like giant ovens.

B (6:55)

These massive stars cook up the stuff that makes planets like ours.

A (6:59)

They do that by smushing tiny things called elements together.

B (7:04)

This makes new elements. Some are metals.

A (7:07)

When those big stars die, they explode. That explosion can also make new elements.

B (7:15)

It also blasts all those new elements into the cosmos.

A (7:19)

Once all that stuff is floating in space, it can start to clump together and eventually make planets like ours. The plucky little planet we call Earth.

B (7:29)

So that's how the original metals we found on our planet got made. Thanks, stars.

A (7:35)

You will come. But there's so much more to the story, like strange rocks from space, super hot mud ovens, and an ancient murder mystery. But first, another mystery. It's time for the Mystery cell. You ready, Ava?

B (8:00)

Mm.

A (8:01)

All right, here it is.

B (8:11)

Hmm.

A (8:12)

Ava, what do you think?

B (8:14)

It kind of sounds like people, like, slapping down a bunch of, like, plastic cups on a table.

A (8:19)

Ooh, I like that idea. Let's hear it again and see if anything new pops up.

B (8:30)

Some of it sounds kind of like sneakers on a basketball court, and then other parts of it sound like something banging against, like, the table or, like, the wall or something.

A (8:43)

I heard, like, a little, I don't know, almost like, metal sound or something. I have no idea what it is either, but, yeah, it sounded like something banging, and it was kind of, like, rhythmic, so I'm gonna say Vallejo minifig came to life and started playing the drums on a soda can that was lying around the house. I think that's reasonable. Yes, I like your answer better. Okay, well, we'll hear it again at the end of the show and get another chance to guess and hear the answer. So stick around, keep listening. We've got an episode coming up all about skunks. They're cute little critters with a creative way to keep away dangerous animals.

B (9:28)

Yeah, they spray a powerful stunt stink.

A (9:31)

We want to know, if you were an animal and needed a super creative way to keep your enemies away, what would you do? Ava? What would your special defense be?

B (9:41)

Well, if I were an animal, I would probably want to be like a hedgehog so I could roll up in a, like fall and then like roll and like crash into people.

A (9:52)

I love that. It sounds like a very fun defense mechanism. And adorable too. Well, listeners, tell us your idea for unique animal protection and send it to us by going to brainson.org we also.

B (10:06)

Love getting your artwork questions and mystery sounds.

A (10:09)

Again, send them to us@brainson.org thanks.

B (10:13)

Keep listening.

C (10:18)

Ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba.

A (10:20)

Brains on. This is brains on. I'm Molly.

B (10:24)

And I'm Ava. And we're learning about metals like aluminum and iron, silver and copper.

C (10:31)

Copper. My favorite old timey gangster word for police.

A (10:35)

Hey, Mark, what's up?

C (10:37)

I had an unpacking question. I found this box in the library, but I think it belongs in the apiary. But I forgot where we put that.

B (10:45)

Let me guess. Does the box say B on it?

C (10:47)

It does.

A (10:48)

It's probably another box full of books that start with B. Take it to the library, please. Okay.

C (10:55)

Oh, by the way, your guest is here Later. Hey, Molly. Hey, Ava.

A (11:00)

Hey, it's Dylan Thiris from Atlas Obscura. Glad you made it.

C (11:04)

Of course. And congratulations on your new place. In fact, I brought you a little, you know, headquarters warming gift.

B (11:14)

What is it?

C (11:15)

Oh, it's. It's a giant hunk of metal. Really? It could be almost anything. You could use it as a paperweight or. Or a doorstop or a paperweight. So many different uses.

A (11:32)

Thanks. We invited Dylan here to help us tell the story of how humans learned to work with the amazing stuff we call metal. Dylan recently co wrote a book called the Atlas Obscura Explorer's Guide to Inventing the World.

B (11:45)

What's it about?

C (11:46)

It is an adventure and a journey through a chain of human invention. So it starts with fire and tells you two places that have to do with how humans have used fire, including the cave that has the oldest evidence of fire use ever. And then once you have fire, you can make glass. And once you make glass, you can make lenses. And once you have lenses, you can make telescopes and microscopes. And so it's a journey both around the world to interesting places, but Also through the history of technology.

B (12:20)

Very cool.

A (12:21)

Totally. So, as we just explained, there's been metal on Earth since the planet formed, but it was often buried deep in the ground or stuck inside rocks. But early humans found ways to use it and work it or shape it into things.

C (12:35)

So way back thousands and thousands of years ago, people would occasionally come across big chunks of things like copper or gold, and they were soft enough to be worked by, say, hitting them with a rock or a hammer or putting them over a fire to just sort of soften them up a little bit. So there's where you start to see some of the earliest examples. And Sometimes this is 10,000 years ago, and these are just little beads of copper, for example. Or, you know, 7,000 years ago, you find some gold ornaments, kind of jewelry.

B (13:11)

But there was another way humans would get metal, too.

A (13:14)

And it's pretty epic.

C (13:16)

Imagine that you are in the desert, the Saharan desert, and suddenly something comes shooting across the sky, and it is bright, and there's a loud explosion. And so you go and you investigate, and you might find these pieces of black, heavy stone. And they would feel pretty different from the other rocks in the area. They were very distinct. They were much, much heavier. These were from iron meteorite.

B (13:49)

Iron meteorites are basically big chunks of mostly iron.

A (13:53)

People who found these likely thought they were very special because we see them used in very special ways.

C (14:00)

For example, buried with the Egyptian king Tutankhamun, there was this beautiful royal dagger that had sort of a gold handle and a beautiful golden sheath. And the blade is made from an iron mint meteorite that had crashed into the planet. So these things were kind of truly considered like a gift from the gods.

A (14:26)

So early on, we got metal from the ground, or occasionally it would fall from the sky.

B (14:31)

Some of the metals were easier to shape than others, like copper.

A (14:35)

And people were pretty good at shaping copper as far back as 5,000 years ago. We know this thanks to an ancient murder mystery. The story starts in the early 1990s, a little over 30 years. Two people were hiking around the Italian.

C (14:53)

Alps, and they happened to pass a glacier, and they saw something that actually quite concerned them. They had found a body stuck half protruding out of the ice. And it didn't look good. It looked like it was. Had been there a very long time. But they actually called the police because they thought, well, I don't know, you know, maybe there's been something bad has happened here. Clearly there's a dead body frozen into this glacier. Well, it turns out that that body was 5,300 years old. But they were right about one thing. There had been a murder.

A (15:34)

We'll hear what scientists learned from this frozen body in a minute.

B (15:38)

But first, time to go check the mail.

A (15:47)

We asked for listener ideas about what rooms we should add to our new headquarters. And we've gotten so many great ideas. Here's one from 11 year old Bebe from Hamilton, Ontario. BB writes. Hi, I have an idea for the new room in the new headquarters. I thought that you could have a room called the Better Inator. A room where you can put something that's boring and turn it into something more fun, like a shoelace into some noodles or homework into a coloring sheet. Okay. I love this idea. Oh, okay, here's another one from 12 year old Raina in Delhi, India. My name is Raina and my idea for an empty room in the Brains on universe is a triple rainbow generator room. Thank you. Triple rainbow generator. Okay. We were thinking of a double rainbow generator, but why do double when you could do triple? Thank you, Raina. So cool. If you all have ideas you'd like to send in, head to brainson.org we love hearing from you. Want our shows without the ads? Join Smartypass. You get ad free versions of smashboom, Best Moment of Forever Ago and Brains On. Plus you support shows full of facts, ideas and real science. Go to brainzon.org to sign up.

B (17:13)

Thanks, Brainza.

A (17:20)

Okay, we're back.

B (17:22)

We talked about how humans found metal and learned to shape it into stuff.

A (17:26)

And now we're here with Dylan Thuris from Atlas Obscura. He's telling the story of a dead body found frozen in a glacier.

B (17:33)

Dylan, please tell us what scientists learned from this body and what do they think happened?

C (17:39)

So over 5,000 years ago, there was this guy, this guy, we don't know his real name, but we call him Otzi the Iceman. And he was walking along this glacier and he had all his stuff with him. He had stuff for making a fire. He had different kinds of tools with him. And one of the things he was carrying was this beautiful little axe, small ax with a copper axe head. Unfortunately, Otzi was being followed because he was quickly shot through with an arrow. It went into his back and pierced his heart. And he wandered. It seems as if he sort of didn't kill him right away. He wandered around for a moment and then seems to have passed out, hit his head and there he lay for 5,000 years and then was shortly thereafter frozen into this glitch glacier.

A (18:34)

He froze pretty quickly and his body and all his Stuff stayed frozen all.

B (18:40)

That time, which means his special ax was pretty much the same when they found him as it was 5,000 years ago.

C (18:48)

And what this ax tells us is that even 5,300 years ago, this hunter gatherer was carrying an ax where the copper head was made through smelting.

A (18:59)

Smelting is a way of heating up certain rocks to sort of melt out the metal trapped inside of them.

C (19:06)

The copper had been made actually far away in southern Italy and melted into this axe head shape. Probably cast, actually, in a little form.

B (19:15)

Casting is when you pour really hot metal into a shape, so the metal cools and hardens into that shape.

A (19:21)

Kind of like if you poured melted chocolate into a tin shaped like a bunny, the chocolate would harden when it cooled, and then you'd have a chocolate shaped like a bunny. That's what scientists think the people who made this axe did with the copper metal.

B (19:34)

But, you know, they didn't use a bunny shape, they used an axe shape.

A (19:38)

Right.

C (19:39)

This was just a very fancy, rare kind of axe to be walking around with all the way back then. So to this day, we don't know who killed Otzi. We don't know why they killed him necessarily, but we know a lot of other things about him. We know what kind of tools he used. And we can also tell that there was this sophisticated network of people making metal tools and smelting copper even 5,300 years ago, all across Italy.

A (20:13)

So even 5,000 years ago, humans had learned you could heat up rocks to remove the metal trapped inside. That's called smelting.

B (20:22)

That means they didn't just have to find large chunks of metal to make stuff with. They could find rocks infused with metal, too.

A (20:29)

Smelting copper was all well and good, but for humans to really do amazing things with metal, they'd need stronger metal.

B (20:37)

Because copper could break pretty easily. So humans found ways to make stronger and stronger types of metal.

A (20:44)

Like if you mix copper and tin.

B (20:45)

You get bronze, which is stronger than copper, but still not as strong as iron or steel.

C (20:51)

What's kind of so cool and so interesting is people were so obsessed with figuring out, okay, how do we make even better metal? How do we make harder metal? That around the world, independently, many different groups seem to have figured out how to make iron and then later, steel.

A (21:11)

Along the way, this seemed to happen in the Middle east and sub Saharan Africa, in India and China, all of them figured out their own ways of making harder metal.

C (21:22)

One of my favorite stories of this happens in Tanzania with a group called The Haya like 2,000 years ago, potentially.

A (21:32)

The Haia people would build something called a kiln. It was made from the mud of a termite mound.

B (21:38)

A kiln is a special oven usually used for making pottery.

A (21:42)

And a termite mound is a very tall cone of dirt that termites live in. Picture an anthill, but, like, about as tall as a giraffe and made of mud.

B (21:51)

That's what the Hya people were using to make these kilns, because the mud.

C (21:55)

From a termite mound is actually very, very good at reflecting heat. And they figure out not only can they build this kiln, they start to say, okay, we're gonna put little holes in the side of the kiln so it can suck air into it, and that can make the fire even hotter. And we're gonna preheat it, we're gonna put a bunch of stuff into it so that the kiln hot before we even do the thing we want to do. And they also figure out, hey, you know, what, if we add either some wood or better yet, these. These reeds that we have everywhere, and we burn them, they form this kind of charcoal, this kind of ash, and that seems to add something into this metal, into this iron that makes the metal even stronger.

A (22:38)

What they were making was steel.

B (22:41)

Steel is iron mixed with carbon. Charcoal is full of carbon, and steel.

A (22:45)

Is full of strength. In fact, it is so strong that once humans master making it, they rebuild the world using it.

B (22:53)

But that's a story for next time.

A (22:55)

Dylan will be back with that chapter next week. Thanks for all this info, Dylan.

C (22:59)

Of course. I can't wait. I'll see you then.

B (23:02)

Brains are.

A (23:08)

Hey, Sandin. Another unpacking question? Worse.

D (23:11)

We have an unpacking emergency. Molly and I really need your help.

B (23:15)

What happened?

D (23:16)

Well, you know that box that Mark found?

A (23:18)

The one labeled with a B? Yeah, what about it?

D (23:22)

Well, it turns out that one was meant for the apiary. It was filled with actual bees. And so when we opened it in the library, all the bees flew out.

B (23:30)

Oh, wow, that's not good.

A (23:32)

Were the bees super angry? Did they sting Mark? And now you need to know where the anti sting cream is.

D (23:37)

Oh, no, no, no, no, no. The bees are actually super happy in the library, but they don't want to leave now.

A (23:43)

And the bees are building a new hive there and making honey in the books, ruining all the pages. So you need the bee suit and the hive moving equipment so you can get them back to the garden?

D (23:51)

No, no, no. The bees are actually very respectful of the books. In fact, they love reading we started a book club together.

B (23:58)

So what's the problem?

D (23:59)

We don't know what to read next. Molly, I need you to recommend a book quick.

A (24:04)

I'm on it. Do you think they like historical nonfiction or are they more of a sci fi fantasy type? You know what? I'll go talk to them. Have they read Hamlet? They might really like the to be or not to be line or. Oh, you could read Woody the Pooh. No, actually, Pooh tries to steal Honey. They might not like that.

B (24:23)

There are lots of kinds of metals, from copper and gold to iron and steel.

A (24:27)

Humans have been using metals for thousands of years. Some of it they found in the.

B (24:31)

Ground, and some of it fell from the sky.

A (24:35)

Some metals are soft enough that you can shape them by banging them with.

B (24:38)

Rocks, but other metals need a lot of heat to make them soft enough to work with.

A (24:43)

Humans around the world found different ways to do that, and it helped them make stronger and stronger metals.

B (24:50)

That's it for this episode of Brains On.

A (24:52)

This episode was written by Sandon Totten.

B (24:54)

It was edited by Molly Bloom and sound designed and mixed by Mark Sanchez.

A (24:59)

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B (25:19)

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A (25:24)

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B (25:29)

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A (25:33)

Let'S take one more pass at that mystery sound. So, Ava, what do you think this time?

B (25:47)

Hmm, I don't really know. Maybe like a rock and like scissors or like something sharp like banging against each other.

A (25:59)

Ooh, I like that. And last time you thought it was basketball players maybe or something?

B (26:03)

Yeah.

A (26:04)

Let's hear the answer.

B (26:06)

I'm Nora from Providence, Rhode island, and the sound you just heard was me practicing my tap dancing.

A (26:12)

Have you tap danced before, Ava?

B (26:15)

Nah, but sometimes I, like, put on sneakers or shoes and try to.

A (26:19)

Nice. Yeah. You know what? You are not that far off because you were like people's feet banging. Absolutely. That's what happens in tap dancing. And they have, like, little metal pieces on the bottom of their shoes. That's why it makes that sound. And you were like, metal or rock or something banging around. So definitely Partial credit. Now it's time for the Brains Honor Roll. These are the incredible kids who keep the show going with their questions, ideas, mystery sounds, drawings and high fives. Freya from Granville, Michigan Alexandra from Denver Saren from Brighton, England Cecily from Essex, UK Annie, Gus and Lucy from Norman, Oklahoma Greta from Cologne, Minnesota Aurora from Honolulu Valeria from Linwood, California Corbin from Bodenham, Maine Isla from Coventry, United Kingdom Colette from Cary, North Carolina Elizabeth from Newton, Massachusetts Melanie, Callie and Luke from Ann Arbor, Michigan Jack and Clara from San Luis Obisp Tate from Charlotte, North Carolina George from Stamford, Connecticut Aria from Massachusetts Luke from West Springfield, Massachusetts George from Danvers, Massachusetts Lennon from Dublin, Ohio Cormac from Washington, D.C. george from Chicago Austin from Brooklyn, New York Lila from Waterloo, Ontario Lyle from North Charleston, South Carolina Carver from Olympia, Washington Amalia, Caseta and Juliana from Bellevue, Washington Mason from New Castle, Australia Dakota from Yuma, Arizona Quinn from Columbia, Illinois Ronan from Rockville Center, New York Lucas from Niverville, Manitoba Navia from Redmond, Washington Anya from Vancouver Juno from SP, Spokane, Washington Coco from Montreal Finley from Altadena, California Nora from Dobbs Ferry, New York Cora from Seattle Maddie and Edith from Walnut Creek, California Hannah from Toronto Art from Cincinnati Holden from Pittsburgh, California Sybil from San Francisco Sam from Monroeville, Pennsylvania Luar from Denver Hutch and Layden from Austin, Texas Stella from Haddon Heights, New Jersey Kahira and Dublin from Parker, Colorado Elliot and Oliver from Oakville, Ontario Libby from Flat Rock, North Carolina Sammy from Hangzhou, China Liam and Graham from Memphis, Tennessee Alana from Morgan, Marsville, North Carolina Ananya and Mira from Cary, North Carolina Augie from Milan, Tennessee Dean from Oregon Thomas and Ryan from Charlestown, Massachusetts Arisa from Kuala Lumpur Gabby from Tucson Lucas and Chloe from Tampa, Florida Christian and Aria from Coba Konk, Ontario and Louie from Auckland, New Zealand. Tune in next week for more answers.

B (28:38)

To your questions where we'll learn more about metal. Thanks for listening.