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- [00:05]
Host
Hey, Brittany Cartwright.
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Brittany Cartwright
Hello.
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Host
Welcome to Hot Mike.
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Brittany Cartwright
Thanks for having me.
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Host
Yeah, we have a lot to talk about. So this has been quite a momentous summer for you.
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Brittany Cartwright
Yes, Craziest of my life.
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Host
A lot has changed. And the last time that we spoke on this program, you and Jax were still married, and you guys were kind of figuring things out. But obviously, there were cracks in the marriage that we saw in the first season of the Valley. Take me back to that time. Take me back to doing season one of the show and where you were in your marriage heading into that.
- [00:40]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, definitely when we were heading into it, I thought that Jax and I were gonna be a really strong couple, that it was gonna be, you know, us against the world. We were gonna be there for each other. It was gonna be about our family and crews. And, you know, we found out we were opening the bar right before the season started, so a lot was happening in our lives. It just seemed like we were going to be good in the beginning, but everything turned really fast.
- [01:04]
Host
And how do you think the show factored into that? Do you think that it accelerated things sort of going downhill, or what do you think happened?
- [01:16]
Brittany Cartwright
It's hard to pinpoint because we had been arguing and fighting for a while. It's not like it only happened because we started filming. But I do think the extra pressures and different things that come along with it, they get to Jack's differently than a lot of people would handle. Things he cares a lot about, like what you look like on the outside. He's very much that type of person. So I think that he didn't ever want me talking about us fighting or anything like that. Like, he would get angry with me if I had conversations with my close friends about our relationship. I was never allowed to vent or anything like that. And, of course, when we're filming a show, we do we talk about those things. And I think that that also where me and Jax were fighting even more because he was so worried about that. What I was saying to other people, if that makes sense.
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Host
It completely makes sense, because from my point of view, it seemed like you guys, like you were saying, headed into the first season of the show, intent on proving that you guys had a strong marriage and that you had survived in spite of all sorts of pressures, in spite of leaving Vanderpump, in spite of the whole thing. And then I could see there were fault lines. And then, obviously, in Big Bear, things sort of erupted, and it was clear that there was more than meets the eye. And then you guys officially separated before the show. Even premiered.
- [02:33]
Brittany Cartwright
Yes.
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Host
And one of the things that we like to cover on this show is conspiracy theories.
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Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah.
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Host
And the audience thinking at the time that that was a promotional stunt.
- [02:41]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, my gosh. I still get that all the time. Even whenever I filed for divorce, I still have people saying that I'm doing it just for the show. And it just. It drives me crazy because I feel like I've always been so honest and real. All my time on Vanderpump in the. Like, I've been very open, and I'm. I believe I'm a nice person, and I just. I'm not a liar. So whenever people were judging my character in a way that was not true whatsoever, that was really hard for me.
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Host
Does it bother you?
- [03:08]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah, it bothers me. It's like I'm going through one of the hardest times in my life right now, and I've got people doubting me. I've got people in my DMs being like, oh, we know you're just doing this. Everybody is saying that you're. You told Jax that you're not actually going to get a divorce, that you're just doing this for the show, but you really want to get back together with him. And it's all a planned plot schedule. I'm like, this is insane.
- [03:29]
Host
That would be a hell of a commitment to the show.
- [03:31]
Brittany Cartwright
So, like, I'm spending all thousands and thousands of dollars just to do. Go through with this divorce just for a storyline and upending your life.
- [03:39]
Host
Moving out. Right? I mean, those are.
- [03:42]
Brittany Cartwright
I moved out and I was living in. I think I lived in four different rental houses within, like, seven months. So it's been a lot. Spent a lot of money.
- [03:53]
Host
We covered that on the show. So I was just looking at an internal cut of the first episode. And so we cut to the exterior of your new rental at that time, and it's Britney's fourth rental.
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Brittany Cartwright
Fourth rental. Insane.
- [04:06]
Host
Yeah.
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Brittany Cartwright
He wouldn't move out, though. You know, like I asked, I said, can you please move out? Me and Cruz can stay here. And he wouldn't. He would. Just wasn't about that. He was like, this is my house, blah, blah, blah.
- [04:18]
Host
So what triggered you to move out in the first place? Other than. I mean, or to separate, rather, because obviously you had to move out because he wouldn't. But you said that you needed to end the cycle. What did you mean by that?
- [04:29]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, we were just fighting so bad, and it was toxic in our house, and I did not want my son to see that. I think having Crews around made me, like, really wake up and just, like, realize, like, okay, my son does not deserve to have parents who are fighting in front of him. Like, I want him to grow up in a happy house, see his mom happy. That can change everything. You know, I remember my parents divorced whenever I was really little, But I still can remember times that they had arguments or anything like that, and I just don't want him to remember those things. So for me, it was just very important to take him out of that situation. And me and I just think that our fights got so bad. He was doing a lot of partying, a lot of staying out, and the next day when he was, like, hungover would be the worst fights. Absolute, terrible fights. So we had a couple of those within, like, three, two, or three weeks. And I had already went and got a house in Malibu and stayed just for the weekend to get away. I took Cruz with me. I was like, we gotta get out of this situation. Come back. It happens again. So I said, either you're leaving the house or I am. And he said he wouldn't leave. So I packed up and went and got a rental house.
- [05:42]
Host
Were your friends supportive?
- [05:44]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. My friends were like, yes, you need to get out. You need to do this for yourself. And it was for my mental health as well. Like, I had to protect myself. And it was just getting so bad. So bad.
- [05:57]
Host
What did you mean when you said in an interview that the show made you accountable?
- [06:02]
Brittany Cartwright
Like, having the cameras around this season, it almost, like, puts a mirror to yourself sometimes where I can, like, see, like, okay, I'm doing all these things. I am talking about how bad he's been. The more I'm having to talk about it, the more I realize for myself, like, how crazy this relationship is and how bad I shouldn't be in it. But I'm talking with Janet about it. I'm talking with Michelle about it, Kristen, everybody about it. And then it's just like, gosh, if I'm going through all of this and all my friends know all these details, I will be so stupid to go back in such a toxic situation. Like, I just kind of held a mirror up to myself, you know?
- [06:36]
Host
Well, it's almost like keeping a journal.
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Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, right.
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Host
And then looking back at your past entries, it's.
- [06:41]
Brittany Cartwright
It is. And I'm grateful for it, honestly, because it gave me the strength to do what I needed to do.
- [06:47]
Host
And when you separated in the first place and when you moved out, did you think that you would get back together?
- [06:53]
Brittany Cartwright
My goal was to ultimately get back together eventually. But I needed to see some big changes. And also, I wanted to see, like, if I wanted to date other people. I was very open and honest about that. It wasn't like, oh, I'm leaving. No, it was. We are separated, and if I want to date other people, I will. If you want to date other people, you will. Just don't. Like, we don't need to talk about it, whatever. But I did it in a very different way. I was very quiet. I wasn't, like, running around, calling paparazzi on myself, doing all these crazy things in public. Like, he was so anytime that he found out something about me, he just wanted to one up me and make me mad and make me upset. So just playing games with another toddler.
- [07:35]
Host
Well, it's also part of the challenge of being in the public eye.
- [07:38]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [07:38]
Host
It's sort of shoved in your face.
- [07:40]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah. Everything. Like, he would go out to eat or something, and I would get pictures and people sending me DMs and everything else the entire time. And that's so painful to see, but it kind of made me be like, what am I doing? You know, it just got too bad. Throughout the separation, there was times whenever we might get back together, and then other times where we would not talk for weeks. So it was just very, very up and down. The entire separation was.
- [08:06]
Host
You've been through a lot over these past few years.
- [08:08]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [08:09]
Host
A lot of turmoil, a lot of change in your life. It's great to see that you are empowered enough to do what you think is best for you and for your son.
- [08:16]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. It's been hard because I still. I always thought we would always be together. Like, I never in a million years thought that Jax and I would not be together forever. So I tried everything I could possibly do. Yes. Me doing the separation, but ultimately, I thought it would wake him up and make him start trying and start changing and doing the simple things. I asked, go to therapy, stop partying so much, be nice to me. You know, I just asked simple little things that I was hoping that he would make, like, a grand gesture, do something big, try to change, and he just never pulled through.
- [08:49]
Host
So cut to the beginning of this summer, which is the beginning of this season of the Valley, and we can get into some of this, but obviously, a lot of it. Well, all of it is featured in the show itself, and we do have the entire story, but you guys were in a different place when we started filming the Valley this season. And again, a lot of this is gonna be covered on the show. And so we'll sort of get into this. But it was clear at that point that you probably were headed in a different direction and you were moving on. Explain to me that.
- [09:25]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, I mean, I had tried everything I could possibly try, and he had a really, really, really, really bad blow up. And as you said, it'll be talked about on the show and we have all the details about that, but it was just too much. And I just realized he's never going to change. He's actually spiraling and getting worse throughout our separation. So it kind of did the opposite. He was going to all these appearances and all these nights out at the bars and just doing all these things and the girls and the drinking and the partying and it was just constant. Like, he just was not changing at all. And I just. I was definitely in a different place. I kind of just hit my limit.
- [10:03]
Host
So you think that because he didn't have the grounding of being at home, then, you know, he was out sowing his wild oats, doing whatever. And so things got worse?
- [10:13]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah. He's like acting like he's having a midlife crisis or something. Like, it's crazy. Everything just got way worse. And then a horrible blowup happened two days before we started filming. And I was just. I was done at that point. I was completely done because it was just so bad. And I will say a week or a week and a half before that, we were even talking about me moving back into the house. Like we were actually trying to get back together. And then things just spiraled out of control.
- [10:39]
Host
Yeah. Yeah. You seemed to have a different resolve at that point. You seemed like your outlook was different.
- [10:44]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah.
- [10:44]
Host
When we had talked about it, I.
- [10:45]
Brittany Cartwright
Had just like, shut off at that point. It was just. It was too much. It's not like that was an isolated incident. He's had these blowups sporadically over years. Before I had Cruz. After I've had Cruz. I mean, people have seen things on Vanderpump Rules. They saw how things were in Big Bear, but he's had blowups over times. I've always known that. He's got a huge temper, he's got a big ego. And, you know, he has been likely to have blowups over the past. But I think that throughout our separation, they started getting worse and they, like I said, they were just kind of escalating. And the things he was saying, the things he was doing just continually got worse. And it just got so bad that I couldn't deal with it anymore. And I had dealt with it for years. I tried to help him for years. I think that I did everything I could possibly do to make this marriage work. And that makes me proud of myself and happy to know that, like, I tried as hard as I possibly could to make this work. And I was there for him through thick and thin, stood by his side even whenever he cheated on me, lied to me, threw me under the bus, I always tried to have his back. I was constantly having to apologize for him, constantly having to make excuses up for him. And it's kind of a relief that I don't have to do that anymore. Like, it was starting to get so much. Everybody, no matter what he did, it was always. I was connected to it because he was my husband, even if I wasn't the one that said it or the one that did it, you know?
- [12:15]
Host
Well, you knew, like, you were saying that you did everything you could to make it work.
- [12:18]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [12:19]
Host
And then at a certain point, it just isn't a good situation, and you have to move on from him. You guys have been together since 2015.
- [12:26]
Brittany Cartwright
Yes.
- [12:27]
Host
So you started dating then? I would say it was improbable odds to even get married. And obviously, a lot happened before you did, and there was cheating and there was volatility in the relationship. And when you guys got married, I can tell you, everyone around you was saying the same thing, which is, you know, we hope it works out, but, yeah, we're concerned.
- [12:47]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah. I mean, I think a lot of people thought I was crazy for. For going through with the marriage and everything, but I was just so madly in love with him that I looked over a lot that he did to me. I was kind of, like, blinded in many ways, because I'm a very, very forgiving person. It can be a good quality, but it also can be a really bad quality because I forgive too easily, and I think I let a lot of things slide because what Jax would do is he'll blow up, get mad. I would, like, give him 30 minutes, and then he's fine. But then the thing is, he just would act like nothing happened, and we just go on our married little way. But actually, like, all those years of me doing that, like, that messes with a person, I was just, like, putting things away. Putting things away. Putting things away instead of, like, making him make changes.
- [13:36]
Host
And then it probably was difficult. Once you decided to make him accountable, it was probably difficult for him to adjust to that because the power dynamic was shifting.
- [13:44]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, he's. I don't think Jax has ever actually had consequences for his actions. I don't think his entire life he has. So for me to do that to him, like, he didn't even know how to react. He didn't think that I would actually leave. He even said on one of the last episodes of the Valley that I would never leave him, and he truly believed that. I think even throughout our whole separation, he never thought that I would actually leave. So.
- [14:10]
Host
Did you think you would?
- [14:12]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, I thought I would, but I was. It was also really hard for me. Like, I did not make this decision to get a divorce. I did not take that lightly at all. It's just. I don't know. Like, I just. I'm too hurt. I can't look past a lot of things.
- [14:29]
Host
One thing that you've always said you've been gracious about is that he is a great and loving dad.
- [14:36]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah. I've always thought that, like, as angry, as mad as I am at him, because I am still so angry and so mad at him, and that's going to take me a long time to get over. But he loves Cruz, and he is a great father, and he'll do anything for him. And I know, like, even if I had to call him right now, needing something, he would still be there for me.
- [14:55]
Host
He'd show up.
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Brittany Cartwright
He would show up. And that's all I'm trying to focus on right now, is us being able to co parent, because that's the main thing that matters. We're not gonna be together, right? That's not happening anymore. But he still, unfortunately, is gonna have to be in my life for the rest of my life. People keep being like, you got 15 more years, and I'm like, no, it'll be the rest of my life. So at some point, I'm gonna try my hardest to get to where I'm not so angry. But I'm doing such a good job with co parenting, even, you know, him being over this morning in front of Cruz, Daddy's here. You know, everything is fine in front of him. It's just all the stuff that I'm having to deal with internally that's, you know, really hard.
- [15:35]
Host
Well, at least Jax has settled into a really stabilizing new living situation right next to Tom Schwartz.
- [15:44]
Brittany Cartwright
I'm so. Ugh. It just makes me so mad. It makes me so mad again. I have a rental that I had to pay for upfront. So whenever I found out that he signed a lease behind my back, didn't talk to me about it, nothing, and he was living in the home, wouldn't let me have the house. I'm paying thousands and thousands of dollars to stay in these rentals. And then he ups and signs a lease without me knowing. And then, lo and behold, it's right next door to Tom Schwartz. I was just like, oh, I was so angry. Not because I didn't want him out of the house. I wanted him out of the house. But he knew I had paid up front for a rental all the way up until October 31st. So that's me wasting two months of money that I could be putting towards the house. Like, he just didn't even think about me at all whenever he was doing these things. He should have waited until I was out of the rental and then moved into a place.
- [16:38]
Host
Right.
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Brittany Cartwright
Like that's what would make sense. But instead, he made me waste all this money while I was still paying all the bills. Taking care of two households, taking care of groceries for both houses, doing all the things, cleaning whenever I was coming back to the house, like, going back and forth. I mean, I was taking care of everything for both houses. And then he just ups and does that and doesn't think about how much money I've spent or anything. Just didn't care.
- [17:01]
Host
And then poor Schwartz.
- [17:03]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, poor Schwartz. Tom is, like, devastated, But I'm sure he's not devastated. He's happy that Jax is there. I'm sure. But at the same time, Tom is so worried that he's gonna get dragged into another scandal situation because he's like, I did not think that he was actually going to move next door to me.
- [17:20]
Host
You just can't win for losing.
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Brittany Cartwright
No. And of course, Jax wasn't going to pass the opportunity to live his little bachelor pad ways. I knew it.
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Host
Have you been over there?
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Brittany Cartwright
No. And I don't plan to go over there anytime soon. No, I don't care.
- [17:32]
Host
Bring a housewarming gift or something.
- [17:33]
Brittany Cartwright
Hell, no.
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Host
Not happening.
- [17:36]
Brittany Cartwright
No. I don't even want to know where it is. I don't want to see it for a while. It's a very tough spot for me because I feel like he just completely effed me and Cruz over with that situation because he wanted. He didn't want to miss out on living next to Tom. That's exactly what it is. But meanwhile, we have a house that is both of our homes. I'm still paying all the bills there. He. I mean, you know what he did. Should I say it? I don't know.
- [18:02]
Host
We're gonna hold on that.
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Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, he did more. He did even worse. Things. That's the reason why I'm so mad about that condo is because it's just like, he just screwed me over so bad.
- [18:15]
Host
Because you feel like in all of this, he was the cause of all of this.
- [18:19]
Brittany Cartwright
And then I was the only one dishing out money and, like, having any consequences. I was the only one that was moving and getting U hauls and moving four times. Like, he just got to stay in our beautiful home with all of our stuff. And it just. It just seems so unfair to me. Like, he's the one who was screaming and doing all these fights and, like, really horrible to me, but yet I'm the one that has to do everything right.
- [18:42]
Host
So you think you face the consequences for his actions?
- [18:44]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, constantly. Yeah, it was very unfair to me.
- [18:50]
Host
So I want to zoom out, and I want to talk about what it's like to be in the Valley versus Vanderpump Rules. And obviously, a lot of it is colored by a different time in your life. Yeah, the situation is different when you're married and then going through a separation. You have a child, you're older, you're more mature. Yeah, but what is it like on the whole, how would you say that your experience on one. On that show is different than the first show?
- [19:16]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, it's definitely a lot different because, like you said, I am a mom now, so that's, like, the main thing. The mom. Like, I feel like the Valley, we have so much more invested because it's our lives, like, our marriages, our families, our children. Whenever we were on Vanderpump Rules, we were just like bartenders and servers out, going drinking and having fun and whatever. But now I think our problems are much more real and they mean a lot more. So that's, like, the biggest difference to me back Vanderpump days was a little bit more just like, having fun, partying. It wasn't such a big deal as things were this or that. But now we have, like, a whole life, little life that we have to protect.
- [19:58]
Host
No, it really matters because I've always said about, like, Vanderpump captured that time originally or the early seasons captured the time in life where there aren't really consequences.
- [20:07]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [20:07]
Host
For the things you do. And you're just sort of hanging out with your friends in that case, working together, figuring things out and whole different ballgame when you have family, the stakes.
- [20:16]
Brittany Cartwright
Are much higher now, you know, and we also have the people online, social media, the bullies, all that stuff that talk about your parenting, that talk about different things whenever they don't really, like, know everything, so that could be hard, too, because people can say whatever they want about me, but, like, do not talk about my son. He's an innocent little angel.
- [20:33]
Host
That's also intensified through the years, so I think that's more extreme than it's ever been.
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Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah. Like, in 2015, when I started social media, I think I had, like, 4,000 followers or something. Like, it's a completely different situation now.
- [20:47]
Host
I also think that you're different, and I think that in Vanderpump Rules, you were defined by being Jax's girlfriend and then his wife.
- [20:55]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
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Host
And I think now we're seeing Brittany Cartwright.
- [20:58]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah. Yeah.
- [20:58]
Host
As a fully grown woman.
- [20:59]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah. I've gotten a lot stronger, I think, from my experiences on Vanderpump Rules, from putting my life out there, from just everything I went through for the past almost 10 years. But now I'm just like, I'm not taking any shit. I'm a lot stronger. I'm standing up for myself, and I'm proud of myself.
- [21:17]
Host
Now, that said, one of the storylines that comes up through the season is because you were friends with basically everyone.
- [21:23]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [21:24]
Host
Sometimes you were accused of just being in the middle.
- [21:27]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [21:28]
Host
And not taking a side. What do you think about that?
- [21:30]
Brittany Cartwright
I definitely do that. I'm very aware that I do that. But it's also hard for me because I have such different friendships with all of them that, like, I'm super close to Janet. I'm super close to Kristen. They don't like each other. They're not constantly talking about each other to me. I try to make things better. I'm always trying to, like, bring people back together. But I don't think it's necessarily my job to always stick my nose in it and, like, be like, no, you need to do this. I try to help and make the situation smoother and bring them back together if I can. But at the same time, I'm going through a freaking divorce and a separation. I don't have the capacity to bring on everybody's drama 24 7. So I'm trying to be the best friend I can be. And I also don't want my friends to think that they can't tell me what's going on in their lives. Cause I think that's another thing. Like, they do know that I'm going through so much that they don't really wanna bring all the drama to my front door. And I appreciate that. But I also don't wanna be, like, made to think that I'm not being like, the best friend. Because they're not bringing me things. You know what I mean? Like, I still wanna be able to be there for my friends, but it's hard. I've always been in the middle. I mean, my entire life. Even my friends back home in Kentucky, I'm the person. Whenever I come into town, that's when they all get together. It's just who I've always been, really.
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Host
I just feel bad for you. I know the shit that you'll take if you do like, a post. If you don't like a post, you can't win.
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Brittany Cartwright
It gets hard because, like, I'll repost a picture with somebody, and then somebody else is thinking I don't repost their photos. And it's just like, I'm 35. Like, this is the kind of things I did in middle school. I don't think that I need to do that right now, you know?
- [23:09]
Host
We never fully grow up, do we?
- [23:10]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, no, I know. It's just been. It's hard. But I don't ever really want to hurt anybody's feelings. I don't like confrontation. I will stick up for myself. I will yell if it gets to those things. But for the most part, I try to stay away from drama.
- [23:26]
Host
Yeah.
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Brittany Cartwright
I feel like I'm more of a fixer than a fighter. You know how I've been partners with Jax's bar. So the partners came to me and asked me if I would want to take over the Culver City location and turn it into Brent's. And I was like, hell, yes, let's do it. Blah, blah, blah. Jax apparently told them that they weren't allowed to ask me for, like, a whole month. And they kept being like, we're gonna ask her. We're gonna ask her. So finally he was like, okay, whatever. I did so much for Jax's. So, like, they want me to be. They know what I did. And I'm like, jax. I didn't care that was called Jax's. I didn't care about any of that stuff. I supported you. I helped you. They're wanting to do this with me now. Like, relax. Now I'm taking over West Hollywood.
- [24:06]
Host
Really?
- [24:07]
Brittany Cartwright
Yes. So on October 4th, I'm going in and starting with my interior designer. And we're starting to redecorate and stuff because he wants it open fast, within a couple months. So I'm taking over. Rocco's is right there. I'm taking over that spot right beside it.
- [24:21]
Host
Oh, my God. That's amazing.
- [24:22]
Brittany Cartwright
It's gonna be Brits Right there. So Pump closed down. Brits is opening up.
- [24:26]
Host
That's amazing.
- [24:27]
Brittany Cartwright
Right in the same location.
- [24:28]
Host
That's so great. That is so funny.
- [24:30]
Brittany Cartwright
I'm so excited.
- [24:31]
Host
It's very full circle. And it's funny because, as you were telling me, I was gonna say, the only problem is Culver City is so far away.
- [24:36]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, yeah. And whenever. Yeah. I was so, like, 45, 50 minutes to get there every single time. But now it's gonna be right there in West Hollywood.
- [24:44]
Host
Oh, I love that very familiar spot.
- [24:46]
Brittany Cartwright
I know.
- [24:47]
Host
It's so good.
- [24:47]
Brittany Cartwright
Like, right back around.
- [24:49]
Host
Oh, my God.
- [24:49]
Brittany Cartwright
Now Jackson's like, I want everyone to know that I'm a. I'm like, you have no say in anything. All you were able to say was that, okay, you can finally ask her, because that he was throwing a fit about it.
- [25:01]
Host
I mean, look, you took over Jax's this season. That's the thing, is if you start to catalog what happened this season, and I'll lead into a question about the season, but there's just so much. And I just would like. We get the field notes every day. Right. About the show, and I just. It's like, the most dense reading because there's a million developments going on at the same time.
- [25:22]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [25:23]
Host
One of the things that I think the Valley has in common with Vanderpump rules is the strength of the relationships.
- [25:28]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [25:29]
Host
So I would say the closeness of the group.
- [25:31]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah.
- [25:31]
Host
And that obviously makes things messy as well. And it also yields things like the boys chat, which comes up a lot this season.
- [25:40]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, the boys chat. That's been a thing. You know, that boy chat actually started from Tom and Katie's wedding.
- [25:45]
Host
Really.
- [25:46]
Brittany Cartwright
It started with Tom Schwartz's groomsmen, and then they just kept adding people in over the years. So that's where that Boyd chat started.
- [25:55]
Host
So now there's, like, you know, 25 guys that are on this chat, and all sorts of things make their way into the chat, and that ends up coming out in the show.
- [26:04]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah. Whenever I was like, actually with Jax, he would show me things all the time in there. But now it's like this big secret thing because they're talking even more crap, and he's getting mad at people. He's like, who's the mole? Who's the mole? Because we find out things.
- [26:17]
Host
It's like, I don't think there's one mole, by the way.
- [26:19]
Brittany Cartwright
No, I think there's multiple moles or multiple girlfriends and wives who look through their husband's phone.
- [26:24]
Host
Right.
- [26:25]
Brittany Cartwright
Like, everybody does that. It's not a surprise.
- [26:27]
Host
Did you used to look through Jackson?
- [26:29]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, gosh, yeah. I had all his passwords. I was logged into his Instagram accounts. I was like, I had everything. He had mine, too. So now that's changed. I changed every single password, even my Netflix, Hulu, Peacock. I changed all the passwords, kicked him off.
- [26:46]
Host
But you don't still check his. His accounts and his burner accounts?
- [26:49]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh. Oh, yeah, I checked everything. Yep, he's got a burner account. It's kind of obvious.
- [26:56]
Host
What a revelation.
- [26:58]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, my gosh. That was hilarious.
- [27:01]
Host
It's so funny.
- [27:02]
Brittany Cartwright
I hope that's on the show. Jax definitely still calls the Valley his show, for sure. He. He's always going to be like that. He's always going to be like that. Even though he was in a mental health facility for 30 days, he's still gonna act like he did everything.
- [27:18]
Host
Well, we are who we are.
- [27:19]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [27:19]
Host
Right. So, yeah, that's funny. Do you have any interest in getting out there and dating at this point?
- [27:26]
Brittany Cartwright
Um, I mean, yeah.
- [27:28]
Host
Yeah.
- [27:29]
Brittany Cartwright
I think I deserve to be treated nicely and have fun, and, like, that will help me. I definitely need to heal. I'm not trying to be in a relationship, have a boyfriend right now, but flirting and getting attention and just having fun. I need that, and I think it's fun.
- [27:47]
Host
Are we going to get your proud summer next season?
- [27:49]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm excited.
- [27:54]
Host
That's funny. Yeah. What was the most surprising thing to you about this season of the Valley?
- [27:58]
Brittany Cartwright
I was so happy Luke and Kristen got engaged, so I'm so excited. I didn't know about it, so I was kind of butt hurt at first, but I'm so happy for them. So that was a surprise because I wasn't aware. It wasn't aware of you. Other than that, I think, like, in my own life, me actually going through and filing was kind of like a surprise because I wasn't sure when I was going to do it, how I was going to do it, if I was going to do it. So there's just been a lot of ups and downs with the whole thing.
- [28:25]
Host
How did you feel when you did it?
- [28:27]
Brittany Cartwright
I felt relieved. I felt relieved and, like, I wasn't in there crying my eyes out like I thought I would. And it just kind of made me realize, like, yeah, this is done. This is done.
- [28:38]
Host
It's a pretty remarkable story. And we have, again, all of it on the show this season. And then. And we didn't know on the outside whether you were really going to go through with it because you had considered doing it and then you seemed to have a different resolve and you went ahead and did it and we see the immediate fallout of it.
- [28:57]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah. I mean, I was just in there talking to my lawyer while I was sitting there, because I was just in there to interview and see if I like what lawyer I wanted to work with. It wasn't even. I was going in there 100% to file. It was just, let me have a meeting, see what I need to do to protect myself kind of situation. I was just like, I gotta. I have to do this now before I back out, before he gets out of the mental health facility and pulls me back in. I have to do it now while I'm feeling strong, while I'm so angry. I've just gotta get it done.
- [29:26]
Host
Because you were concerned otherwise that you would end up feeling bad for him and he would come out and he'd be especially nice to you and.
- [29:33]
Brittany Cartwright
And drop and pull me back in.
- [29:34]
Host
Right.
- [29:34]
Brittany Cartwright
Because he's been able to do that for 10 years.
- [29:36]
Host
Yeah.
- [29:37]
Brittany Cartwright
So I just was like, I have to go through with it now and I have to be strong and I have to stay strong from here on out.
- [29:42]
Host
Well, basically what you're saying is that he was the same, but you were different.
- [29:47]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah. Yeah. He. I don't feel like he changed at all in those 30 days. And the reason, I mean, I'm sure it'll be on the show as well, but, you know, a lot of rage, texting and stuff was still going on the entire time that he was in rehab. So for me, I was just noticing, like, this is just going to be constant. Like, if you're in therapy seven hours a day and you're still finding time to call me names and cuss me out and send me rage texts, then you're obviously not ever going to change.
- [30:17]
Host
And that made the decision for you.
- [30:18]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah.
- [30:19]
Host
Yeah.
- [30:19]
Brittany Cartwright
Like, this is bad. I can't stay in this. So just kind of like, very eye opening.
- [30:25]
Host
Yeah. And you just. You did it.
- [30:26]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah. And I was like, let's do it now before I change my mind. And I. And I'm so glad I did. And I'm not changing my mind, and I'm happy with my decision.
- [30:36]
Host
Well, it seems like your friends would kill you too, if you did change your mind.
- [30:40]
Brittany Cartwright
My friends would die. My family would die. My mom, you'll see her some this season, I'm sure. She's always been such a Team Jacks person. And after she saw everything that happened leading up to this Season, she just is like, no, you need to get away. And for her to say that is a big deal.
- [30:59]
Host
We cover this in the show. But what about the claim that you were dating Jax's friend and you guys had an explicit no dating in the friend group policy?
- [31:10]
Brittany Cartwright
Okay, we didn't all have a no dating in the friend group policy. We never spoke about that because why would we? I didn't even think it. Like, first off, I didn't think that I was going to hook up with his friend. It wasn't anything that, like, I was planned. Oh, I'm for sure. Yeah, I wasn't planned. I wasn't trying to go after one of his friends. That's not how it happened. What we had said is nobody around Cruz and nobody at our home that we own together, that I still pay the bills for, that all my photos and my furniture and everything I own is still at that house and my son stays there. Like, just please don't have girls at the house.
- [31:45]
Host
So those are the two rules?
- [31:45]
Brittany Cartwright
Those were the two rules. And I don't know if he had anybody around Cruz, but he definitely had people at my house. Cause I called him both times and only two times that I called him. I'm sure there was other times, but I caught him twice and I was like, man.
- [32:01]
Host
And that whole situation factored into the bad blow up that then ultimately led you to.
- [32:07]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah, yeah. I think that me hooking up with his friend, it wasn't, like I said, it wasn't planned, but I also, it was somebody that I felt like I knew. And in our world, it's so crazy because, like, how do you trust people? And I was single for the first time in la. It's another weird thing about my life is that my whole LA story has been with Jax and on camera pretty much. So, like, I've never lived in LA without Jax. So this is also a new thing for me. But I wanted, whenever I did start hanging out with him, it was because it was somebody that I knew. I always thought he was hot. And also I was just so mad at Jack. So, like, I didn't care if I hurt his feelings about that. Like, why should I care? He never cared about how he hurt my feelings. For years. He put me down, he did so much to me. So it's like, I'm sorry that you're so upset about who it is, but at the same time, you didn't give me attention, affection or anything for years. Made my confidence this big. So I was like, you know what? This Guy's really hot.
- [33:12]
Host
So taking care of yourself?
- [33:13]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, taking care of myself. And Jax has no leg to stand on. He hooked up with my friend. Let's not all. Let's all remember that. And I'm sure. Oh, Kristen Stassi. Like, they've had history. He's done it to other friends. Like, he's. He has no leg to stand on.
- [33:28]
Host
Are you on the dating apps?
- [33:30]
Brittany Cartwright
No, I've never been on a dating app before.
- [33:32]
Host
Really? Yeah.
- [33:32]
Brittany Cartwright
No, I don't think I'm that ready.
- [33:36]
Host
You're open to it, though.
- [33:37]
Brittany Cartwright
I'm not ready. No, I was just like. Like, I could tell that this guy was flirting with me. I was always flirting with him. He is very much my type, and just kind of flirting through DMs. One time, and I was just, like, come over, sliding the DMs.
- [33:55]
Host
All right, so let's say that you end up meeting the right guy, Right? Are you open to getting married? Are you open to having kids? What do you think it looks like for you, ideally?
- [34:06]
Brittany Cartwright
I mean, I'm open to anything. I've always wanted more kids. Do I know. Do I think, like, oh, yes, I want more kids? Not really. Like, if it happens, it happens kind of thing. I'm just gonna take everything as it goes, kind of. If I fall in love, I would never have another huge wedding or anything like that again. I don't know if I would even legally get married again after seeing, like, what I have to go through right now with this divorce and stuff. I would definitely sign a prenup. Like, there would be a lot of things that were different, but, yeah, I think with, like, kids, because that was something else between Jax and Isaac. We'd always said that we were gonna have more kids, and then he just kind of blindsided me. Last season was like, I don't think we're ready for another kid. And that, like, really hurt my feelings because that was always our plan. It wasn't like, I just came out of left field like, hey, we're gonna have another kid now. Like, no, we had talked about this. This was our plan. So that was really upsetting for me. So. I love kids. I love being a mom. Best thing that's ever happened to me. So if that. If I did start dating somebody and fall in love and we ended up having a baby, that would be fine. But I'm not saying that I'm going after that by any means. It's just, you know, I'm just seeing where God takes me now. I didn't ever Think I would be doing any of this? So I'm not saying kids are off the table, but I don't know. Doesn't seem like right now I'm like, I'm not even dating anybody, so it's hard to say if I would even want that again.
- [35:27]
Host
You'll see what happens.
- [35:28]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [35:29]
Host
And obviously, it depends on who you meet.
- [35:30]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah. Just going with the flow right now.
- [35:32]
Host
Yeah.
- [35:32]
Brittany Cartwright
If somebody's perfect, then, you know, who knows?
- [35:35]
Host
I think you're gonna meet someone who has, like, six kids of his own, and I think you're gonna be a stepmom, too.
- [35:40]
Brittany Cartwright
Like, I think that I would want to be with somebody that has a kid so that they understand what it's like to be a parent, and they understand, like, Cruz is always gonna come first, you know, Like, I have my son. He's always gonna be taken care of first, no matter what. And I think somebody else with a kid would understand that more than somebody who doesn't have.
- [35:59]
Host
Yeah. So one of the things that was interesting last season on the Valley is that you and Jax were on an almost parallel timeline to Jesse and Michelle ending their marriage as well. And obviously, that was sort of the coda to the season, was seeing the compare and contrast. So talk a little bit about that now and where you and Jax are relative to where Jesse and Michelle are.
- [36:22]
Brittany Cartwright
We're kind of at the same place now. I mean, we're both filed. Everything is, like, in. But still, we still have a long road ahead of us. We still have to negotiate a lot of things. You know, in California, it takes at least six months, and Jesse and Michelle have already gotten past that point, and there's still nothing is happening. So I look at her, and I'm like, oh, my God. It's taking this long. Like, it's scary. It's crazy. So Michelle is like, you better not get divorced before me.
- [36:50]
Host
It's a race.
- [36:51]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, well, because she filed so long ago, and they just, like, cannot agree on anything. So for me, I'm just like. I'm trying to make it very upfront from the beginning. I went with a lawyer from the start, and that was something that Jesse and Michelle did not do. And I think Michelle regrets that. So I've kind of learned through their mistakes different things that I need to do.
- [37:11]
Host
Well, it's hard, right? I mean, if a marriage gets that point, then it's hard to agree on how it should end.
- [37:15]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah, it is. Especially with stubborn men.
- [37:18]
Host
Yeah. No, it cannot. It can be tough, but it seems like it's something that has bonded you and Michelle to each other.
- [37:25]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah. Me and Michelle have gotten even closer. We've been there for each other through everything, the whole separation. Like, we get what each other's going through, you know, so it's been great to have her.
- [37:35]
Host
And it was very telling about the series on the whole, that we were started off with all of these suburban couples and. Not as easy as it looks, is it?
- [37:43]
Brittany Cartwright
No, definitely not. Yeah, definitely not. It's. Yeah. You think you're gonna have the white picket fits, the perfect family, the marriage, the. You know, everything's gonna be great, but doesn't always work out like that.
- [37:55]
Host
No, it's not how life goes.
- [37:56]
Brittany Cartwright
No. Yeah. I think this season's going to be crazy.
- [38:00]
Host
Yeah.
- [38:01]
Brittany Cartwright
I think it's going to be really, really good, though, for people to watch. Hard for us, hard for me to watch, but it'll be good.
- [38:07]
Host
A lot to go through. Although I think that there's a lot that you're going to like when you're watching your story back, because I think that you're going to be proud of yourself. And just like you were saying that being on camera makes you accountable because things have happened and, you know, you have to own up to them or acknowledge it happened. I think that you show a lot of strength. And so I think that. Yeah, I think. I think you'll be pleased with that. Even though it's. It's hard to relive.
- [38:30]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [38:31]
Host
Tough moments. I always say when I'm talking to cast about what they can expect when they're watching a show back is like, if it was hard to go through, it's going to be hard to watch.
- [38:39]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah.
- [38:39]
Host
Here's a burning question. We're sitting here right now, but when was your relationship with the productions and with Bravo in jeopardy? When were you considering just walking off the show?
- [38:51]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, Lord. Okay, so one of the times that I got really upset was when it was after Jax cheated on me. And we were, like, trying to figure out if we were gonna be together, what was gonna happen. And he tried to act like he was breaking up with me on camera. I don't know if you remember that. It was like I was packing up, and he was like, I just think that you deserve better. Something like that. And I got so mad. Cause we had just had a conversation. I think we had, like, slept together again that, like, day. And then as soon as the cameras come, he acted like he was breaking up with me. And I was like. I was so, like, shocked because that had not Been how we had acted, how we were talking, anything. He just, like, did it whenever the cameras came on. And I got so mad. So I leave. I storm out of the house. I think I took my mic off, storm out of the house, and I go and I stay at a hotel, and I don't tell anybody where I'm at. Only Zach Wickham knew where I was. He came and met me at the hotel. I was so upset. Jax was calling me a million times over and over. I don't really want to break up. I don't really want to break up. Where did you go? Where did you go calling me? Please don't. Please don't leave. I don't want to break up. So I was so angry with him. I stayed at that hotel and did not tell production, would not tell Jeremiah, would not tell anybody where I was staying because I was just so angry. And then eventually, you know, once I cooled off, I was able to talk to them and do all that stuff, and they figured out where I was. And I was so mad at Jax.
- [40:28]
Host
Because I don't think you had any other walk offs or near walk offs, like, I can't remember at the reunion or anything. I don't.
- [40:35]
Brittany Cartwright
I don't think I ever did.
- [40:36]
Host
I don't think you did.
- [40:37]
Brittany Cartwright
No. That was the only time. And I just. It was one night that I stayed at a hotel and nobody knew where I was except for Zach.
- [40:43]
Host
Oh, my God.
- [40:43]
Brittany Cartwright
But that's the worst I did. Compared to my other castmates, that's nothing.
- [40:47]
Host
Yeah, I know. We should keep a running tally.
- [40:50]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah. I wonder how many times Jax has done it. Sheesh.
- [40:53]
Host
Jax has done it a bunch. Kristen. Kristen probably wins that one.
- [40:56]
Brittany Cartwright
Kristen wins the walk offs.
- [40:58]
Host
That's. Yeah, she's big on the walk offs.
- [41:00]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [41:01]
Host
I would say Kristen and Jax probably lead the league in walk offs.
- [41:04]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, probably Kristen even more than Jax. I mean, Jax has done it many times, but I think Kristen, she's good.
- [41:10]
Host
At taking your mic off too.
- [41:11]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, she's like, here's my wife throws it. We're done.
- [41:15]
Host
Yeah.
- [41:15]
Brittany Cartwright
Bye.
- [41:16]
Host
So funny.
- [41:17]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, we always just, like, need a second to cool off, and then we'll be just fine. We'll be right back into it. You know, we're so grateful for what we get to do, but there's a lot of pressures that come with it. And sometimes, like, for me, I felt so embarrassed that Jax had cheated on me. I was finally getting ready to take him back, and then he tried to act like he was breaking up with me. I was just mortified, and I was like, I have got to get put. Get myself out of this situation.
- [41:41]
Host
Such a mind fuck.
- [41:42]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah. It was just, like, up and down. Like, just a roller coaster. That whole season was crazy, but it's still not even as touching. How crazy?
- [41:51]
Host
No, I was gonna say. Yeah. On a scale of one to ten, that was a two.
- [41:54]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [41:55]
Host
And this season's an eight.
- [41:56]
Brittany Cartwright
Yes. Like, even that season where I. Where everything happened, where I found out he cheated, where I played the recording, where, you know, just so much happened that entire season, it's still does not compare to what's coming on the Valley.
- [42:08]
Host
No. And I think the reason, like you were saying, that the Valley is so compelling, is that there's real consequences to it. And so I think, you know, when you and Jax were dating and he cheated on you, that's really tough, and that's humiliating, and that's a lot to go through. But it's very different when you're seeing the demise of a marriage.
- [42:25]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's all just. It's all been a lot. It's been a lot.
- [42:29]
Host
All right, so we covered a moment when you were angry and when you wanted to take a step away from production.
- [42:35]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [42:36]
Host
But what about moments that you regret? What about times when maybe you should have walked away but didn't and did something that you're embarrassed by?
- [42:46]
Brittany Cartwright
There are, like, funny little things that I did do that I look back on and I'm like, oh, my gosh, why did I do that? But also, I get to learn from it. And whenever you watch yourself, you really see certain things. Like, the normal person doesn't get to watch themselves back and see their mistakes.
- [43:02]
Host
You get to learn.
- [43:04]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, I get to learn from things that I've done. But there's times where I might have, like, yelled at people or did different things that wasn't really my character. And I hate, like, when those moments go through, you know? Like, I think I yelled at James one time and was like, I am a sweetheart, you dumbass motherfucker. But, like, I look back at that now, and it's funny, you know? So. I don't know. It's hard. I'm sure there's so many moments that I could think on and be like, man, I wish I didn't do that, or, I wish I didn't do this. But, like, I was just being myself for real.
- [43:33]
Host
Well, and that's kind of one of the things that I always think whenever people blame the editing, where it's like, of course, if you have an outburst that's going. Going to be included, because that's interesting to watch, and there's a ripple effect of that. Whatever. But that also doesn't define who the person is. We all have our moments.
- [43:47]
Brittany Cartwright
Exactly. I'm a normal person no matter what. Like, I'm going to get angry. I'm going to blow up sometimes. But I think I was kind of put in that, like, country nice girl category to where, if I did have those moments, I got, like, hated on for. Really bad for, like, sticking up for myself. Yeah, I was kind of, like, backed into a little corner for a while. So I think the Valley is going to be a little bit different than how it was on Vanderpump, because I'm a lot stronger now than I was on Vanderpump Rules.
- [44:13]
Host
Yeah, no, you are. No shrinking pilot.
- [44:15]
Brittany Cartwright
No, but I didn't. I was very intimidated on Vanderpump Rules for a long time until I got closer because I was new coming on the show. So there are times where I didn't stick up for myself that I wish I would have and, you know, been harder on Jack's times that I wish I would have been, like, a lot tougher on him. But it's all part of my journey.
- [44:35]
Host
Yeah, you were younger. We've seen your evolution into who you are now.
- [44:38]
Brittany Cartwright
Exactly.
- [44:39]
Host
I have no idea where it's gonna take you from this point, but if.
- [44:41]
Brittany Cartwright
I could go through and, like, pinpoint different scenes, I'm sure I could be like, I wish I didn't do that. I wish I didn't do that. But it's just so many years I can't, like, think of, like, a certain scene or certain, like, time that I'm like, oh, man.
- [44:55]
Host
But you also can't live in it. And I think, too, that part of putting yourself out there is then just accepting that there's moments that aren't completely flattering. Oh, yeah, you can't dwell on.
- [45:04]
Brittany Cartwright
No, can't dwell on them. Like, I think about. I'm very much in my head a lot. So if I am filming something and something gets said, I will think about it all the way until it airs. And I'm like, oh, my God, it wasn't even that big of a deal. Like, I'll make it worse in my head. So I'm trying to figure out that as well, like, how I can handle those situations, not trying to make things bigger than they are.
- [45:23]
Host
I always think about that because a cast member will call me freaked out about something, and I kind of want to say, like, I have good and bad news. There's other things you should be worrying about.
- [45:32]
Brittany Cartwright
Hey, you have to admit, I'm not.
- [45:34]
Host
Like, no, you're not bad.
- [45:35]
Brittany Cartwright
I very rarely would text you about something.
- [45:38]
Host
I was gonna say, I can count on one hand the number of times that you've reached out about something.
- [45:42]
Brittany Cartwright
Exactly. I'm not like that. I don't go to production if I'm angry about something. Like, I know what it is, but I know a lot of my friends, they will write about every single detail. I'm like, nope, this is not me. There are definitely times I wish I maybe didn't get as drunk, or I would have yelled at Jax more or stuck up for myself more, or things like that. You know, there's always going to be times like that, but at the end of the day, I'm like, it is what it is.
- [46:06]
Host
C'est la vie. Yeah.
- [46:08]
Brittany Cartwright
I can't change it now.
- [46:09]
Host
No going back in time.
- [46:10]
Brittany Cartwright
Rise above and move on. You can learn a lot from yourself, watching yourself back on a show, but.
- [46:15]
Host
You also learned, to your point, how little it matters. Something that seems that intense in the moment.
- [46:20]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah. I'll freak out about something so small. And then whenever I finally watch the episode, I'm like, that was barely even, like, talked about. Or that was barely even, like, a thing, you know? So I gotta. I try to help my castmates because they're still kind of new on, you know, their second season of the Valley, but they're just starting to get, like, the hate on Instagram, the different things, the judgment of every single little thing you do. So I'm kind of like, I'm in a different position now than I was on vaynerpump Rules. Cause I'm trying to help them and, like, teach them the things I've had to learn in the past nine years.
- [46:52]
Host
There's a few of them that need to spend less time.
- [46:54]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [46:55]
Host
Searching themselves out on message boards because no Google alerts.
- [46:59]
Brittany Cartwright
Like, I cannot look at Google alerts. I can't look at Reddit. Like, I don't look at articles for myself. I never do anything like that. If I don't see it, it didn't happen. It doesn't exist. That's how I get over things. So I'm not one of those people that wants to look in the comment section. Nothing like that. Because it's just, like, you just gotta be confident in who you are. And, like, those people don't really know what's going on in my life, you know?
- [47:20]
Host
And There's a wrong takeaway. And I think that if you try to play to the commenters, then they're not gonna like you anyway.
- [47:26]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [47:26]
Host
So you just have to, you know, accept yourself, warts and all, mistakes and all, and move on.
- [47:31]
Brittany Cartwright
Majority of the time, if somebody comments some bull crap under my picture, other people go and fight with them anyway, and then they're in a fight in.
- [47:37]
Host
My car, they'll take care of it.
- [47:38]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah. I'm like, thank you. So I didn't have to say nothing.
- [47:41]
Host
So funny.
- [47:41]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, I had to.
- [47:43]
Host
I mean, in my own tiny way, I had to get used to it with this, with the podcast, because they started getting, you know, all sorts of hate or, you know, I'm apparently to blame for the ruin of Vanderpump rules and whatever.
- [47:55]
Brittany Cartwright
I always say that even Jesus Christ could have an Instagram and he's still going to get hates in his comments. Like, there's literally nothing. There's no perfect person out there that's not going to have something, you know?
- [48:07]
Host
No, it's.
- [48:08]
Brittany Cartwright
It's insane.
- [48:09]
Host
Yeah. I think this season on the whole, and I'm curious to know what you think is much stronger even than season one. And obviously, we were gratified that the audience really responded to the first season, but I would say now there's an investment in the entire group. I think people are going to be blown away by how much happens.
- [48:25]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah. I think this is going to be, like. I mean, I don't know if I can even say this, but I think it's going to be, like, one of the craziest reality TV shows ever this season.
- [48:37]
Host
I think it is.
- [48:38]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah. I really do. Everything that goes on, everything that happens, it's not just me and Jax. There's other things happening. Michelle and Jesse, Kristen and Luke, Nia, Dani, Janet, Zach. Like, there's so much that's going on, and it's all very relatable.
- [48:52]
Host
It is. And it's never ending. I mean, it's. You know, something happens and there isn't a chance to even obsess on it because then something else breaks out somewhere else. So it's. It's nonstop. It's pretty exhausting, actually. Yeah, it was a lot, but I think you're.
- [49:07]
Brittany Cartwright
We were busy.
- [49:08]
Host
God, you guys sure were busy.
- [49:10]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [49:11]
Host
I think it always comes up with the cast that when we're not shooting, a bunch of stuff happens, and cast will say, you know, I wish we were in season. Like, don't worry. By the time we're filming.
- [49:22]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah, we had plenty of things that happened this season. It's gonna be crazy.
- [49:27]
Host
Yeah. No, it's nonstop. And I think the thing that people respond to also is that it's a real, very close knit group.
- [49:34]
Brittany Cartwright
Oh, yeah. Everybody's real and everybody's really close friends and, you know, real fights between friends and me being in the middle constantly. I mean, it's all things that, like I said, people can relate to. Divorces, separations, wanting to get pregnant, you know, having issues in relationships, having issues in friendships, engagements. Like, there's just so much that happens.
- [49:55]
Host
We were just talking about how tough it is to tease what's happening this season without getting into it, because it's really explosive and they're very specific things.
- [50:03]
Brittany Cartwright
Yes.
- [50:04]
Host
But do you think that this group can ever fully get back together after the season we just had?
- [50:09]
Brittany Cartwright
I hope and pray that they can. I'm always gonna continue to try to work on bringing everybody back together, but I think they need some space. Yeah, some space will do. Good.
- [50:21]
Host
Cause that happened a few times that we had, you know, some feuding members of the group.
- [50:26]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [50:27]
Host
And they would start to make progress and they would backslide in a major way. And not everyone ended.
- [50:32]
Brittany Cartwright
No.
- [50:32]
Host
On such a great note.
- [50:33]
Brittany Cartwright
No, not at all. Not at all. There's gonna be. There's a lot of fights that happened this season. And, you know, I think at the very end, after Hawaii and stuff, it just kind of went like, ooh, downhill.
- [50:44]
Host
Yeah.
- [50:45]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [50:46]
Host
I know. We had one more week after the big group trip.
- [50:49]
Brittany Cartwright
Yeah.
- [50:49]
Host
And I kind of thought things might end nicely. And they didn't.
- [50:53]
Brittany Cartwright
No, they did. Not at all. But we'll see what happens next summer.
- [50:57]
Host
Yeah. Well, look, Brittany, I want to thank you, as always, for being so open and honest. You put it all out there this season on the show. Thank you. And I can't wait for you to be able to share your story. Very compelling.
- [51:10]
Brittany Cartwright
Thank you.
- [51:10]
Host
A lot of unexpected developments. And I will say that as much as we touched on things, obviously the real story is much more interesting.
- [51:18]
Brittany Cartwright
There's a lot more than what we can talk about right now and cannot.
- [51:22]
Host
Wait to unveil it. I think people are gonna love watching it.
- [51:25]
Brittany Cartwright
I think people are gonna see a different Britney this year.
- [51:28]
Host
Yeah, they are. Yeah, for sure.
- [51:29]
Brittany Cartwright
I'm happy about that.
- [51:31]
Host
Yeah. Yeah. And then next summer, a different Britney yet.
- [51:34]
Brittany Cartwright
Yep. It'll all be in my, like, dating era. We'll see.
- [51:37]
Host
Yeah, exactly. More to come.
- [51:40]
Brittany Cartwright
Yes.