Dorit Kemsley Talks PK Separation, Kyle Richards, the New Season of RHOBH and More

Summary

Bravo's Hot Mic: Dorit Kemsley Talks PK Separation, Kyle Richards, the New Season of RHOBH and More
Released on November 26, 2024
Host: Bravo TV

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Introduction

In the November 26, 2024 episode of Bravo's Hot Mic, host Alex engages in an in-depth conversation with Dorit Kemsley, a longstanding member of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH). This episode delves into Dorit's personal life, including her separation from husband P.K. Subban (PK), her evolving relationships within the cast, and insights into the new season of RHOBH.

Dorit's Decision to Return to RHOBH

Dorit opens up about the tumultuous period leading up to her decision to return to RHOBH after contemplating stepping away from the show.

[01:47] Dorit: "I was feeling better, more confident, and stronger than I had in the last few years. I thought this is probably the most important year that I do."

Initially hesitant due to her separation from PK and uncertainties in her personal life, Dorit reflects on how participating in the show became a cathartic outlet for her.

[01:58] Dorit: "Doing the show is almost cathartic. You bare your soul, and it felt like I needed that. I needed to get things off my chest."

Separation from PK: Reasons and Insights

Dorit candidly discusses the breakdown of her marriage with PK, emphasizing the gradual accumulation of unresolved issues rather than a singular event.

[03:40] Dorit: "It's death by a thousand paper cuts. It's just a series of things that end up building over years."

She highlights the critical role of communication in relationships and how its absence led to their separation.

[04:41] Dorit: "When PK and I realized that there was a communication breakdown in our marriage, we realized that there's trouble. So sometimes you have to take a step back and reevaluate."

The separation was mutual, initiated by PK, which Dorit initially found surprising but ultimately understood as the best path forward for their family.

[05:09] Dorit: "He was actually his idea, and I was taken aback, if you ask me. But I realized this is probably going to be the best thing for us."

Relationship with Kyle Richards

A significant portion of the conversation centers around Dorit's relationship with Kyle Richards. Dorit explains the strain that developed over time, particularly after feeling excluded from Kyle's inner circle.

[08:20] Dorit: "When you don't share with somebody why you're upset with them and you're just treating them as if you're upset with them, it's not right. It's not fair."

A notable conflict arose when Kyle publicly stated she had exaggerated their friendship, prompting Dorit to address her feelings openly on the show.

[09:43] Dorit: "When I realized that was happening even without me being honest and open, it just felt like there's no way for me to actually get the friendship that I thought we had."

Despite the challenges, Dorit remains hopeful about mending their friendship, emphasizing the importance of honesty and open communication.

[14:24] Dorit: "I think it's been tested. I would like to think that it is. But you'll see. We have our challenges."

Friendships Within the Cast

Dorit discusses the dynamics of her friendships within RHOBH, particularly highlighting her budding friendship with new housewife Bozema.

[21:37] Dorit: "Bose was a blessing, really. She's a pretty special person. I'm very excited for the audience to meet her."

She contrasts this with her relationships with other cast members, mentioning the complexities within the "Fox Force Five" and her maintained friendships with Rinna and Lisa Vanderpump.

[22:14] Dorit: "I have a nice friendship with Lisa, Rinna still, and Teddi and I don't talk that much, but yeah, that's what it is."

Dorit articulates her appreciation for genuine friendships, expressing frustration over superficial interactions within the group.

[38:44] Dorit: "It's really important when you commit to doing this show, to being truthful and giving your honest opinion."

Season Dynamics and New Cast Members

The new season introduces fresh energy with the addition of Bozema, whose openness and honesty influence the entire cast dynamics.

[36:45] Dorit: "Bozema is very open, direct, honest, and vulnerable. She holds people accountable, which I think is really nice."

Dorit observes that the season feels "raw and real," attributing this shift to the personal challenges and stories each housewife brings to the table.

[37:45] Dorit: "Everyone in the group really has their own story. Everybody is going through it, and they have really interesting stories."

She also touches upon the return of beloved members like Kathy Hilton and Jennifer Tilly, enhancing the season's appeal.

[39:45] Dorit: "Jennifer is very funny, open, honest, and vulnerable. I love that about her."

Reflections on Personal Growth and Relationships

Throughout the interview, Dorit reflects on her personal growth, especially in the aftermath of her separation and challenges within her marriage. She emphasizes the crucial role of communication, peace, and self-awareness in her journey.

[54:46] Dorit: "I need peace. Communication is incredibly important."

Dorit shares insights on maintaining authenticity and the importance of surrounding herself with genuine relationships.

[19:47] Dorit: "This season, it felt very much like I needed to just be myself. It was not about worrying or having friends or worrying about being enemies."

Audience Questions and Light Topics

In the latter part of the episode, Dorit engages with audience questions, offering a lighter take on her experiences:

• On Repeating Outfits:

  [42:18] Dorit: "Yes, I deliberately want to repeat outfits and change them just enough where they feel fresh. It's fun."

• On Favorite Cast Trips:

  [45:20] Dorit: "Favorite is Provence—it was fantastic and I laughed harder than I have in my life. Least favorite was Hong Kong—it was torturous being away from my babies and feeling alone."

• On Misconceptions:

  [44:04] Dorit: "The biggest misconception is that I'm putting on a fake accent or that I can't be concise."

Conclusions and Takeaways

Dorit concludes by sharing her hopes for the future, both personally and within her relationships. She underscores the significance of living authentically and fostering honest communication.

[57:45] Dorit: "I have to live in the truth. I need peace. Communication is incredibly important."

Her journey on RHOBH serves as a platform for personal healing and growth, with the new season reflecting her renewed strength and openness.

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Notable Quotes

• Dorit on Communication Breakdown:

  [03:40] "It's death by a thousand paper cuts. It's just a series of things that end up building over years."

• Dorit on Returning to the Show:

  [01:49] "Because I started to feel better, confident, more strong than I had in the last few years, I thought this is probably the most important year that I do."

• Dorit on Friendships:

  [38:44] "It's really important when you commit to doing this show, to being truthful and giving your honest opinion."

• Dorit on Personal Growth:

  [54:46] "I need peace. Communication is incredibly important."

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Conclusion

This episode of Bravo's Hot Mic offers a profound look into Dorit Kemsley's personal struggles and triumphs, especially regarding her separation from PK and her efforts to rebuild her relationships within RHOBH. Dorit's honesty and vulnerability provide viewers with an authentic glimpse into the challenges of balancing personal life with the demands of reality television.

Transcript

[A]

Hi, Alex.

[B]

Hi, Dorit. How are you?

[A]

I'm good. How are you?

[B]

It's good to see DK without pk.

[A]

Yes, I know.

[B]

My, how things have changed beyond in.

[A]

The blink of an eye.

[B]

You just wrapped up, and we're about to see premiere an epic season of Beverly Hills, and you are at the center of a lot of it.

[A]

It's about time. It's about time.

[B]

And I will say that it was not certain by any means that you even were going to be a part of this season, because we had conversations right up until the 11th hour about you doing the show or not doing the show. So what was going on in your mind, and why did you ultimately decide to come back to the show this season?

[A]

Well, obviously, I had a lot going on in my life, in my marriage. I thought to myself, if I'm going to do the show, obviously it's talking about everything, putting everything out there. It was. P.K. and I were at the very start of thinking about separating or just had separated, so we didn't know what was going on. And, you know, when you have that unknown and, you know you're living it and it's all going to play out, really, for millions to watch, you have some hesitation. Plus, you know, I wasn't exactly great friends with pretty much anyone in the group other than Erica. I just didn't feel. I didn't know if I had the strength, the courage, the will, the desire to do another season. But, you know, then I thought about it, and actually, because I started to feel better, confident, more strong than I had in the last few years, I thought, this is probably the most important year that I do, and how much.

[B]

Of it also was keeping yourself occupied, giving you something to focus on as you were going through a really difficult separation.

[A]

Yeah, definitely that, too. And much like, you know, post Home Invasion, when you really. When you're able to focus on something and, you know, doing the show, it's almost cathartic. You know, you do it and you just. If you bare your soul, you know, you really feel like a freeing experience. And I feel like I needed that. I needed to also get things off my chest. I needed to. I felt like I needed to go through the experience, even though it was one of the most difficult times of my life.

[B]

So take me back to a couple months before we started this season when we shot the reunion for season 13. And you said that you and PK were better than ever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So a lot of people confused by that statement, and then the separation that ensued. So explain to Me what you meant by better than ever.

[A]

So, you know, PK and I had had a very tumultuous few years. There was a lot of ups and downs. And when PK recognized that he had a problem with alcohol and decided to get sober, it was a renewed sense of hope that I started to feel. And things were great between him and I, and it was the first time that they were that good in a while. So I had high hopes. And when things are really bad and then things become good, that is better than ever, which is how I described it. But as we saw a few months into his sobriety, you know, we realized that the issues that we have, you know, they're deeper, and we just were not in the best place.

[B]

What are the issues that you guys have?

[A]

I mean, how much time do we have? You know, this is the thing. And I try to explain to people, I wish there was, like, one catastrophic event, you know, someone cheated on someone, or one big reason that it's like, this is the reason why. And it's not. It's the expression, death by a thousand paper cuts. It's just a series of things that end up building over years. You build resentment, and if that's not cleared out, you know, you're left with holding onto negative feelings about your partner. And it's not negative. Like, you know, it bothers you when they chew gum, and it bothers you when they sleep. And it's more of, you know, they're just. They're things that you really need to talk through. And I think when PK and I realized that there was a communication breakdown in our marriage, we realized that there's trouble. So sometimes you have to take a step back and reevaluate. And I think that's what him and I decided was best for us.

[B]

So was the separation mutual? You guys just decided that you needed to take a step away from each other?

[A]

He was actually his idea, and. And I was taken aback, if you ask me. In truth, I probably would have tried to work it out together because we have two small children. But there was no hesitation on my part because I knew ultimately, once I'd had a moment to think about it, I realized I think this is probably going to be the best thing for us.

[B]

Yeah. Obviously, we extensively cover the ups and downs of you guys in this season, and so we see immediately what it means to be separated and how you guys are trying to adjust to whatever the new normal is. And you guys are also working through whether or not you'll end up back together or do you have to figure something else out? What was it like going through that in front of the cameras?

[A]

You know, Alex, I made a very, very conscious decision, much like I told you. And this is something, I think you know me well enough to know that when I say this, I mean it. If I were to do the season, which I decided to, then I was going all in, and I was going to be very forthcoming, very vulnerable, honest, open, and live in the moment, you know, not holding anything back. And I think that that is the reason why. Well, for one, I think it's a great season. I think anytime anybody comes in with that mentality, that's really what makes a great show. It's a reality show. That's what we want to see. But I think for me personally, it felt very freeing. It felt like a lot of things that I had tried to protect or kept inside or went through on my own, I just had enough. I didn't want to feel that anymore. I didn't want to hold anything in. I wanted to be free of it. I wanted to just be unburdened. And I came in the season with that in mind. And that was the mentality I had throughout the whole season and still do have.

[B]

Do you think that it strengthened your relationships with some of the women?

[A]

Not at first, that's for sure. I think the majority of the women were taken aback and surprised. But that was another thing that, you know, was eating away at me because I didn't feel myself the last few years, you know, post home invasion, I had a really difficult time, and I lost myself. I lost my confidence and strength, and I didn't know if I'd ever get it back. And slowly but surely, I started to feel more myself. And I did some theater in London, and I was dropped into a situation that felt impossible, and I made it happen. And after that, I felt this sense of accomplishment, this strength and the confidence that I really needed. And as soon as I got a little taste of that, it was like, oh, no, I am running with this. And that's when I started to feel myself come back. And then I realized, well, if I'm dealing with people that when you're down, they can kick you or they can walk on, walk all over you. And it felt like some of the women in the group were doing that had done that. And so it was really important to me that I came in this season showing everybody that don't mistake kindness for weakness.

[B]

Well, you came out of the gate guns blazing, and obviously, you and Kyle have had your ups and downs. And you guys did not end last season in a good place and you had a conflict at the reunion and it hadn't completely died down. And then it was struck in the first episode that you guys see each other for the first time in a while and you're not ready just to move forward like you were. You felt a very certain way about things and you let her know that.

[A]

I had a lot of things that I had not shared with Kyle, feelings that I had that I needed to get off my chest. And the only way I was able to move past our differences or to move forward with her was to not only express how I felt and really feel comfortable to do that, but also feel like it's heard, it's understood and it's appreciated. And it took a minute for that to happen. But I knew that I personally wouldn't be able to move forward unless I was able to say exactly how I felt.

[B]

Why do you think that you and Kyle had gotten to that point in the first place? Why do you think that you guys so got under each other's skin and had all of these built up feelings that became an issue between you?

[A]

You know, there was a period of time it felt like, and I couldn't even quantify it if it was a year and a half or two years, but I felt outside of her inner circle. And that was the first time it just, it felt like our relationship was strained and it wasn't, it wasn't my choice. It just felt like I was put there, you know, and she had a close knit group that she did things with that she talks about. You know, they like to exercise together and go for walks and things like that. But I really believe that Kyle and I had a very close friendship. And so when, you know, you don't feel as close to somebody. And I know she was going through a lot of things, so I gave her a lot of grace and I understood and I didn't want to press and push. But then after a sustained period of time, you start to feel like, wait a minute, what kind of friendship is this? And then when things like what she had said publicly, you know, on Amazon Live that I had exaggerated our friendship, that felt like the final straw for me. And it just felt like, okay, this isn't a friendship to me. It certainly isn't with the way I feel, so I'm not losing anything. And so I felt it was necessary for me to finally tell her all of the things that I withheld because I didn't want to. I didn't want to fracture our friendship. I didn't want to say something that was going to have her not speak to me for five months, because that's what ends up happening if you upset her. But when I realized that that was happening even without me being honest and open, it just felt like there's no way for me to actually get the friendship that I thought we had, a true friendship, without being totally honest and open. And I think she was surprised.

[B]

Do you think also the fact that you guys would spend time together as families and then all of a sudden those situations changed impacted your friendship?

[A]

It really shouldn't have, because Kyle and I spent equally as much time, just her and I. So our friendship was strong enough and tight enough that we also spent time as families, you know, and obviously, the closer that Mo and PK got, you know, the more fun it was. But it. We had an independent friendship.

[B]

Do you think it was a challenge that PK and Mo were that close? Do you think that that was difficult for you and for Kyle separately?

[A]

No, it shouldn't have been. If anything, it should have kept us closer. But, no. And I really. I don't know. I fully understand the reasons, even though we've gone through, but she had her personal reasons, which you'll see in the show, why she kind of kept a distance, but I felt that distance. And also, if you're not sharing with somebody why you're upset with them and you're just treating them as if you're upset with them, it's not right, it's not fair, and it's definitely not a real friendship. So this had built up, you know, and Alex, I had had little feelings that became bigger, that became bigger, that started to fester. And, you know, I much like a lot of the feelings I had had within my marriage, I was keeping them inside, much like the feelings that I was having when I was going through the worst of, you know, the PTSD after the home invasion, I was keeping it inside, and I just felt like I needed to be unburdened, I needed to be free. I needed to be whole and strong. And quite frankly, the people that, you know, one thing you get with age is you get the. You're allowed to. You have the freedom to be able to choose who you want to be around with in your 20s, even in your 30s, you know, it's about friends, and you can put up with a lot of things. And I've reached a point in my life that, you know, my children, they're everything, my friends, my close friends, My real friends, they're everything, and they're family to me. My family's same, but I don't really want to spend time. I don't think I have the patience, the will, the desire anymore to have fake friends. I can have acquaintances, and I can have good time, but people that I call, you know, my sister and good friends, people that I would give them the shirt off my back, I would be there in a heartbeat. I want to feel like that's real.

[B]

Do you think that your friendship with Kyle is real?

[A]

I think it's been tested. I think that there's a lot of deep hurt. I would like to think that it is. But you'll see. We have our challenges.

[B]

Meanwhile, there's a budding friendship this season between you and Bozema, new Housewife. So first, tell me about your impression of her, because you guys took to each other right away. You were just attracted to each other at Sutton's surrealist party in the first episode, instantaneously.

[A]

At first, I saw her grand entrance, and she was a vision, you know, And I'm a fashion girl. I'm someone who can really appreciate somebody that takes time and puts effort into looking very fabulous or beautiful. And she did just that. She's. I mean, she's tall, and she's. She had this gorgeous white gown with this long train, and she made this entrance, and it was like, wow, what a vision. When I had met her, she just has this way about her that you're immediately attracted to. It's real. It's down to earth. It's honest, it's open, it's caring. You know, when you talk, you can tell she's really listening. She's not listening nodding, but listening to the other conversation.

[B]

Or she's present.

[A]

She's very present. She's very present. And there's something very special about her. I was instantly attracted to her. Obviously, I was going through what I was going through with pk, and I was very open and very honest, and I don't know how or why, but I just started to open up to her, and she was taking it in, and then she was revealing, you know, things about herself, really things that you don't open up in, like, the first 10 minutes of knowing someone, but we did, and we connected on that level. It was very deep and very honest.

[B]

It seemed like it also meant something to you to have someone in the group that you had a fresh slate with who could get to know you without any of the group's history.

[A]

That is true. That is true. I Don't think I realized it in that moment because it was just so new and so fresh. I was just really in the moment that I. What I was really enjoying was being able to be with somebody that it felt like there was no agenda, there was no history, you know? But, yeah, definitely. As it grew, it was really nice to have somebody in the group that. That I felt I could lean on and speak to and was a great, great sense of support.

[B]

Did you ever, in your wildest dreams, think that you would have done this show for now, going on eight years.

[A]

I mean, going on nine years, but.

[B]

Well, going on nine years, yeah.

[A]

No. The answer is no. I remember having a conversation with. I think it was Kyle and Lisa Vanderpump at the time, and they had said something like, you know, about doing it five, six, seven years. And I said, oh, God. Well, I won't be doing that. Not thinking, you know, my wildest dreams, I would be here, you know, eight years later.

[B]

Because it strikes me this season is a little bit of a rebirth for you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which means you've also been doing it for a while. You and PK Married for nine years, with eight of those coming.

[A]

I know.

[B]

During the show.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's really wild. It's true. And, you know, I think you're right. You have to be doing it as long as I have to have had that. I don't want to say full circle, but to have as much growth as I've had in the last eight years. Trials, tribulations, ups, downs. I mean, my babies were babies. Phoenix was three months old when I started the show. You know, Jagger wasn't even talking. Now he's, you know, he's a very lovely young man. So, yeah, it's pretty crazy, but here I am. There's a reason, Alex. I've always believed that things happen for a reason. I would have never predicted it, but then again, I would have never predicted that I would actually be doing the show. I say that if you had told me 10 years ago, you'll be doing the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, I would have laughed. You know, no, that's not me. And I mean, you know, it wasn't even my decision to do the show.

[B]

That's what I was gonna say is that it sort of shows a lot that in the first place, PK really wanted you to do it, and you kind of went along for the ride, and then you've kept doing it now that you're separated from him.

[A]

Yep. I know. Well, yeah, I know. It's. You Know, sometimes I look back and I think I can't even look at it from the outside. I have to be in it in the moment because it's too crazy almost, you know, and then you start to overanalyze and overthink. And I think sometimes when you can just make things simpler, it makes it easier. So.

[B]

Well, and part of what you're saying is that this season you focused on just showing up, saying what you needed to say, being who you need to be, and that's it. Let the chips fall where they may.

[A]

Absolutely. Absolutely. It wasn't thinking about consequences. It wasn't trying to measure, you know, what was coming out of my mouth or thinking I shouldn't do or say this. And I wouldn't even say that there was a lot of that in previous seasons. Although, naturally, you know, when you do this show, one of the things that I found was the most surprising when I first started to do the show was that you have a conversation, you really need to remember what you're talking about because you're going to have to recount it, and sometimes to a T, so you learn to be present more. And that was something. One of the benefits, one of the advantages to doing the show. But this season, it felt very much like I needed to. I felt like I needed to just be myself. And it was not about worrying or having friends or worrying about being enemies or who's going to have your back or who's going to be on your side. It was, I'm on an island of my own now more than ever. And I just felt like I needed everybody to understand who I am, what I'm about, and feeling like I'm back.

[B]

But it seemed like you didn't mind being on an island on your own because you liked the independence of it. And then you had the strength of certain friendships. And you and Bose really took to each other, and you were happy about that because you didn't need to be a part of the group of that didn't just happen on its own. You didn't want to be beholden to anyone.

[A]

Absolutely not. No. I mean, first of all, I don't think I had a choice because I didn't have, you know, I wasn't really in a great place with anyone except for Erica, thankfully. But Bose was. She was a blessing, really. Still is. She's a pretty special person. I was very, very, very grateful for the friendship that developed. I think she's one of. One of the most incredible people I've ever known, Ever met. She's Pretty special. I'm very excited for the audience to meet her.

[B]

Yeah, well, she makes quite an impression, for sure.

[A]

She does, she does.

[B]

Are you and the Fox Force Five on the whole still friends? You guys still get together, right?

[A]

On a whole, yes. And yes, we do get together. Not the five of us so much. You know, we found ourselves on a final trip where we had lost three key housewives, three prime housewives. So we had a trip of five housewives, which there were supposed to be eight. That was the year where Camille and Denise had the fires, and Lisa Vanderpump decided midway that she wasn't gonna film anymore. So Erica had said, oh, we're like the Fox Force Five. And, you know, we made some joke and then it just kind of became like we're some pact that, you know.

[B]

We don't set the Internet ablaze.

[A]

Oh, my goodness gracious. It's actually, you mention it and it makes me want to gag. But yeah, listen, I've got a nice friendship with Lisa, Rinna still, and Teddi and I don't talk that much, but yeah, that's what it is.

[B]

But you and Teddi are okay?

[A]

To my knowledge, we are. Although I did hear some things this season which I was surprised about. But I guess to my knowledge, we're okay. But we don't talk. Yeah, we don't talk. I mean, I would. We always had that type of friendship where she would actually come to my kids birthday parties and vice versa. And we'd send each other the occasional text. You know, we have children the same age, so we always had that in common.

[B]

Maybe you should make lunch plans to catch up. Just make sure that you show up on time.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. I'd be too afraid. But yeah, I haven't had a one on one with Teddi maybe ever.

[B]

I like that you and Rinna are still close.

[A]

Yeah, Rinna, that's my girl. I love it. We had dinner just before I did the season and she's been in Canada. You know, she spent some time there with the family, but we speak.

[B]

And what did she tell you? What did she. When you were deciding whether to come back to the show or not, what did Rena say to you?

[A]

So she was one of the only people that I opened up to about not wanting to come back or being undecided. And she said to me, dorit, if you're going to do it, then do it. No holds barred, guns a blazing. You go in and you do it. Be yourself. Don't hold back. And that stuck with me. And I remember There was about 24 hours from when I had told you I wasn't gonna do it. I made the decision not to, and I did it also. I think I remember PK Saying to me something like, well, you have to do it. And when I heard him say I had to do it, it was wanting to take back that control. Like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. This is going to be my decision. I'm the one who's doing it. And I said, well, you know what? I'm not. And then I had thought I felt comfortable about that decision, but when I had that period of time, it enabled me, without any pressure, to just think about it. And it felt like I was leaving too soon, that I had unfinished business. I had too much I needed to say I had. I didn't leave the impression that I wanted to leave, really, of who I am. And that's when I called you, and I said, you know, let's. Let's talk.

[B]

Why do you think he said you had to do it? Was it because you guys were going through a tumultuous period and he wanted you to have something?

[A]

I think so. I think it was. I mean, had we separated? I want to say I don't think you had.

[B]

I think that you had. You were going through a rough patch, but you hadn't yet separated.

[A]

Because he was in the meeting.

[B]

He was in the meeting, and it was a few days after that that you guys separated.

[A]

Okay. So I would suspect that he foresaw that there would either be a separation or that we were heading in that direction, and this allowed me to have financial independence and, you know, just something of my own. So, I guess. Son of a gun, you know.

[B]

Well, he was right. And also where that's a very supportive act is the truth is he knows that if you continue doing the show and you guys are separated, that you're gonna have to talk about it, and you're not necessarily gonna say flattering things about him. You're not trying to attack him, but you're giving your truth.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So it still is considerate of him to encourage you to do something that is good for you.

[A]

Yes. And I will say that about P.K. you know, he. He's always been supportive like that, you know, and there are a lot of things that I still, you know, love about him and the reasons why I married him. And he's got some good qualities, you know, just a lot more bad qualities. Just kidding. But. No, that's true, and it is. But I do think also that there was a Large part of it. If I had to guess, it was more about maybe him not wanting to have the responsibility of having to take care of you. Yeah, exactly. This, at least. It almost gave him more freedom, more opportunity, more possibilities, fight financially. Another.

[B]

What do you make of the fact that you and PK announced your separation? You guys were careful about the way that you did it. You did it on Instagram. You put out a statement that was super considerate of each other and indicated that obviously your focus was on co parenting.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And yet there was something of a backlash of people accusing you of using this as a storyline for the new season.

[A]

Yes. I mean, I'm numb to those things now. You know, people can say all of these things. I know what's real. It's real. And why would I ever put myself, my family, my children through that? You know, I was very hesitant and didn't love the idea of announcing it publicly, but I also realized that I. I had no choice. We had no choice. And when PK and I decided to separate, we weren't in a fight. It wasn't out of being in a bad place. We actually decided to take some time apart very amicably, very maturely as grownups. Like this is, why don't we separate, have some time apart, work on ourselves and work through some of our issues together and see where we end up. Now, as you'll see in the season, it didn't quite end up being like that, but you'll have to watch.

[B]

There are ups and downs, and we do get something of his point of view because we shoot with him as well.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And it's interesting to see him and Mauricio together. We see you and him together working through this. But this all happens right out of the gate because in the first episode, we see you break the news to Erica, and she's just gutted because everybody was rooting for you guys.

[A]

I know. I know. You know, I remember I saw that clip with Kyle and Erica where Kyle broke down and she was in tears, and she said, I feel like I've let so many people down. People that had said to her, you know, we believed in love because of you. And Moen, you feel this burden of responsibility because people are invested in you. And, you know, it warms my heart when I see all the people that, you know, have been rooting for us and really love seeing us as a couple and as a family, you know, I do as well. So if there's a reason why we're in this place and we don't end up together, then there's just a reason, you know? And I just think life is about. You have to find your happiness and your peace, and when it's not there for a long time, you have to do something about it.

[B]

So do you think there's a chance you guys end up back together?

[A]

You know, I can't say that there isn't a chance because we're not getting a divorce right now, but I don't know. I really don't know. I think there's always a chance for anything.

[B]

Are you dating other people?

[A]

No. No.

[B]

Do I believe that? No.

[A]

Oh, well, it's definitely a no.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It's a topic where it's very weird because I try to almost think, am I supposed to be dating people? Is that allowed? Well, of course it's allowed. We're separated. Is PK dating someone? Oh, my God. Is he? So it's one of those. I think it's still so fresh, even though it's been now I don't even know how many months, but it just. I'm not in the headspace where I think I'm ready or open. That said, probably if I found out he was dating, I might be more inclined to. I don't know. I think there's probably one more step until I get to that place where I feel comfortable enough to go out into the dating world.

[B]

Do you see yourself on Raya?

[A]

No, definitely not. On. I'm not swiping. I don't. You know, I never was in that world, and there's something about it that just kind of. I like seeing other people doing it. But that said, I can see now one of my friends, you know, deciding to convince me to do a profile.

[B]

But, no, I don't see you having the patience to sit through a series of bad, awkward dates.

[A]

No, definitely not. I feel like it's got to be something that is very. And it'll have to be just a connection, you know? But I don't know. I really. Honestly, Alex, I'm living very much where I've left it to the higher power, the universe, whatever it is. I'm very focused right now. I've got a lot of great things on the horizon that are taking my focus and my children, and it's good. And I also feel like I still. I've got work to do on myself. I want to focus on myself. I feel like it's been a long time since I've been able to do that, and I think that's what I need most.

[B]

How are you and PK doing as co parents, as friends, as people connected to each other at this point, we.

[A]

Have great moments and we're friends, and I think that's the best for all of us. And then there will be moments where that doesn't exist. I don't know why. It's not my choice. It's just par for the course, I suppose. I think that him and I really need to prioritize the children and we can be friendly and civil and co parent, so we are still able to do that. But I think it's always. It's a lot better when him and I are on friendly terms, but I think he finds that difficult sometimes.

[B]

Well, I'm also sure, you know, the things that sort of pulled you guys apart still exist, so you probably have good spells where you're able to work with each other on whatever you both need and then tough moments. And it's a reminder of why you're not together right now.

[A]

I suppose so. Although even when we were friendly, I'm so conscious not to. Not to step into any area that would be controversial, any kind of disagreement, you know, or triggers. So I don't really know. I can't. He's a complex person, you know, and I'm. Even after 13 years, I'm still getting to know him. But I know that even most recently, I feel like I really need to take back the control and do what feels right rather than being pulled from side to side, you know, I need to be making the decisions, so.

[B]

Yeah, well, I don't think you like someone making decisions for you.

[A]

I don't. I really.

[B]

You don't do well with that.

[A]

No, I don't. And I think I'm realizing that more and more and more. But I do think that in my marriage, I've not been making the decisions for a long time.

[B]

You guys are so different, and I think that's part of what worked, but also probably what's challenging at the same time.

[A]

I know. You know, the nice thing is people like yourself, and there aren't that many that know him and I individually really well and separately. And, you know, when you're in it, it's difficult to see. And I almost want and need, which is what the therapist is doing right now, to kind of enlighten me about things that maybe I didn't see. I feel like I need clarity. And that's something I've been saying a lot over the last couple of months to my girlfriends, to my closest, to my family, to the therapist. I just don't have Clarity, like, I don't understand. There's a lot of things I don't understand, I don't get. And I want to understand. I'm open to anything. Like, no matter what. I'm not afraid, I'm not scared. I'm not. I just want to know. And I think I'll feel so much better and so much clearer if I did know.

[B]

Well, that's sort of life's personal journey, I suppose. So, yeah.

[A]

The quest for clarity.

[B]

So tease the listeners a little bit. What can they expect? We've covered some of it, obviously. What surprised you about others? What was different about this season?

[A]

Oh, goodness. I think that what was different about this season, the energy shifted and it just felt very raw and real. Well, obviously with Bo's, you know, joining the cast, there's a shift and there's new energy and she's. She's very open and she's direct and she's honest and vulnerable. And so, you know, in particular, when you have anybody on the cast who's like that, you know, you tend to follow that lead. And I think it really caught on. And I think that. That in conjunction with the issues in the group and the friendships and the real life circumstances, you know, for both. For everyone. But, you know, Kyle's going through it and I'm going through it, and Bo's has got really, really, really interesting story. Everybody in the group, really.

[B]

Yeah, I think everyone has a pretty defined personal story. And I also think that the group dynamics are different and I think that they're evolving. And so I know we're always accused of saying that every season is kick ass, but this one does feel different to me.

[A]

Yeah, it does to me too. Oh, for sure.

[B]

Out of the gate.

[A]

Out of the gate. Yeah, absolutely. I think the energy is different, I will say, and yes, I did come in very different to the way I've been in the last few years. I feel different and I feel like I am living and being very much as I am. So however I'm feeling, you're gonna know, you know. But I think that Bose does bring. She. She holds people accountable, which I think is really nice because there are definitely friendships in the group that, you know, there's blind support and I'm not sure it's always honest feelings.

[B]

And who are you referring to?

[A]

Well, I don't even think I need to spell it out. It's like two plus two is four. You know, it's so obvious. And I think that it's really important, really. I do believe this, that it's really important when you commit to doing this show, to being truthful and giving your honest opinion. I think that's what's really wanted and asked of us, and it's fair. And if everybody does that, even if you are friends with someone and you don't agree with them, which I have no problem doing, you can still be honest. And I think that, you know, when you get eight women together and eight strong, successful, independent women that have an opinion and they share it, then it's bound to be good television, good conversation. So, yeah.

[B]

Talk a little bit about what it was like to have Kathy back and to have Jennifer Tilly in the mix.

[A]

Oh, well, listen, I love when Kathy's around. I think she. She brings a humor and a zest for life. That's really attractive. So it was nice to see her back. She was in and out, but she's. She's always great. She's Kathy Hilton, I mean, and everything that comes with that. And Jennifer Tilly, I mean, I'm a big fan. I think she's fantastic. She's very funny. She's open, she's honest. She is very much herself, and I love that about her.

[B]

Who's your favorite Richard sister?

[A]

Well, careful. Yeah, exactly. I mean, no one. You know, funny enough, when people listen to this, they will not understand what you mean. That's gonna be. You have to actually watch the season to understand why. Yes.

[B]

And, I mean, I can tease it a little bit, explain it a little bit, but basically, dorit was asked that question at bravocon, and Kyle didn't appreciate the way that she answered it. And so this comes up this season of the show. So that's why I'm re asking the question, saying, in light of what ensued the last time you answered this.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

What your revised answer is, or maybe it's the same. I don't know.

[A]

Well, it's definitely Kyle, and that's simply because I'm forced to say that. No, just kidding. No, I've always been closest to Kyle. To me, it's like, duh, you know, obviously, warts and all. It's Kyle.

[B]

All right. We have it on the record.

[A]

Yes, you do.

[B]

Good.

[A]

Yes. And I meant it then as well. It's just I was. You know, Kyle and I have always had a really funny banter.

[B]

You jab each other.

[A]

Yeah. But like harmless jabs, you know, just kind of, you know, teasing one another. And we like to do it and we laugh and she was laughing, and I thought it was funny. But, you know, one of the things that I absolutely loved about mine and Kyle's friendship was that how much we laughed together, you know, and she has a great personality.

[B]

Do you guys get that back? Can you get back to that place?

[A]

I do believe we can get back to that place because we had a couple of moments this season, some epic moments where we felt that and it was like, wow. Both her and I acknowledged it, felt it, and it was. It had been a while.

[B]

There's a list of burning questions for you, madam. We love a question beginning with Housewives Luminary Heather Dubrow. Who wants to know, have you ever repeated an outfit?

[A]

There was a time where I felt I couldn't and I am starting to get more interested in actually deliberately repeating.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yes. The answer is yes. And I'm not only getting more comfortable, I deliberately want to for many reasons. And I think you can also repeat an outfit and change it just enough where it feels fresh. And that's what I'm playing with. That's the part that I'm finding fun, you know.

[B]

So your girl, Jennifer Tilly wants to know if you plan on doing any fashion designing in the future.

[A]

Oh, I sure hope so. You know, that's always very near and dear to my heart. But Jennifer, I've got some other things that this girl is dabbling in that I'm very excited about.

[B]

I'm excited about your being able to talk about them.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Share them.

[A]

Me too. Me too.

[B]

Very cool.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Larsa Pippen says if she could appear in any other Bravo show, it would be alongside you on bh. But she wants to know what your answer is to which Bravo show you would appear on.

[A]

Well, on Miami, so I can be alongside Larsa.

[B]

You spend time in Miami?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's not that far fetched.

[A]

No, it's not. In fact, my parents had a place there growing up, so Miami is like a second home to me.

[B]

And also you. You seem like someone who would enjoy Below Deck as well.

[A]

I love Sandy. I love her wife. I spent time with them. I would love. I love yachts. I could definitely, definitely see myself on Below Deck.

[B]

Jonathan from LA wants to know what's the biggest misconception about you.

[A]

Oh, God. I mean, you know, I think maybe that because I'm known for being loquacious.

[B]

You know that the word loquacious is loquacious.

[A]

Exactly. It really is. I know. Because, you know, people like to say that I talk too much. Oh. The biggest misconception is definitely that I'm putting on an accent. It's actually one of those that I was so surprised about when I first joined the show and people had said that because I never, ever. No one had ever said that or complained about it, but that I'm faking an accent, that if that's what they mean. And also, I think that because I talk too much, as people like to say that, you know, I'm not. That I can't be concise, that I can't get my point across in a very concise, strong manner.

[B]

You get your point across in a concise, strong manner this season.

[A]

Very much so.

[B]

There will be no. Andy YAWNS There you are.

[A]

That's something that I wanted to Right, that misconception.

[B]

Yeah. Consider it done.

[A]

Done. Box ticked.

[B]

Next, Nathan from New York wants to know what your favorite and least favorite cast trips have been and why.

[A]

Favorite is definitely Provence. It was some of the. I mean, I laughed harder than I have probably in my life. Provence was fantastic. Least favorite. I mean, Hong Kong comes, like, blaring at me. That was. Wow. What were some really torturous ones. I know they're Aspen. Aspen. Yep. Aspen was not great. That's right. Hong Kong still feels worse. Hong Kong was just. It was. You know, I was so new. I was a tadpole.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Fish out of water. I was so far from home. It was the first time I was away from my babies. My kids were. You know, Phoenix was three, four months. Jagger was two years old, and jet lag. And then having Rinna and. And Erica and Eileen coming at me, feeling totally alone, no idea what the hell I'd gotten myself into so far from pk, that was like Twilight Zone. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. That was a memorable trip.

[A]

Yeah, it was very memorable. But you know that girl. You know that girl that stood up for herself even though she was alone. If you look and see me on the boat with Rinna, you know, Rinna and Erica, they're. They're.

[B]

They're strong.

[A]

They're strong, forceful. They're forces. There are. You don't want to mess with them. People don't. But I am. I'm not afraid of anyone. That's the reality. It's. I'm really not. I never have been. And I remember, even in that moment, you know, with the three of them, it was. It's almost like the. When I. When I did the show, the more I did the show, I almost started to question whether I should be afraid of someone. But deep down, I'm not. And I think that's what felt so refreshing this season.

[B]

Well, that's reactivated.

[A]

Yes, that's reactivated. And that is a great place to be.

[B]

Carol from Dallas wants to know what's the best part of being a housewife and what's the worst part of being a housewife?

[A]

Oh, Carol. How long do we have? You know, there's something very cathartic about living your life, your truth, your reality, very openly. And even though it's a blessing and a curse, there is something, I think overall that's a good thing in a lot of ways. I think also the camaraderie between the women, you know, the moments that you share. You're in the trenches together, you know, you spend a lot of time together, these trips, you know, you share moments that you have for a lifetime. And I think that that's something very special. And, you know, some of the harder things is also, like I said, one of the best things, where you're living your life, your reality, you know, very open and for millions to judge. And let me tell you, it's open season. It's open season.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not only open season. You know, you're opening yourself up. You know that no matter what, someone is going to find something to scrutinize.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you have to just. You have to be strong enough, confident enough, and you have to. I don't pay attention to it. That's the only way. I am not one of those who is reading the comments and looking to argue with each and every person.

[B]

It's the only way you can do it. You have to just submit yourself to it and let go.

[A]

Yes. I know what's true. I have to live in the truth. You can't be a public person. If you're a public person and you are not living in your truth, that will come out.

[B]

Yeah. So these days, for sure.

[A]

Yes. Alex, I want to turn the tables back on you. And one day, I would love to actually sit here and have a good hour session. Being able to do this, you know, just for personal, selfish reasons. Who is your favorite housewife?

[B]

So this is a good time to wrap it up. Thank you so much.

[A]

Doritos in true Alex form. Yes, Ladies and gentlemen.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Always the diplomat.

[B]

There's no good answer that doesn't piss off everyone. But I will say this, that I really do appreciate everyone who is bold enough and brave enough to go on the show. I think it's a really hard thing to do. And my favorite depends on the moment. Right. So there's, you know, everyone can be great and everyone can be a pain in the ass.

[A]

That's so true.

[B]

It just depends.

[A]

That's so true.

[B]

So. But I. But I think it. But it takes all different types, and everyone is a unique personality and has different challenges on the show. And, you know, like I said, everyone has their moments.

[A]

Yeah. And I will say this. Knowing you a long time now, you. You've always had an appreciation and a gratitude, you know, for those that are vulnerable and open and honest and real. You know, there's something very human, you know, about it, because you are a very, very, very high up on the. On the ladder in the food chain, you know, and really, you bring it down to a very human way where you understand, you know, that it does take a lot for those that are bearing their souls and you're appreciative.

[B]

Well, I try to put myself in their shoes, and I think that whoever is going through the most at that time in their life probably needs the most focused support. And so I think it's important for us to offer that because it isn't easy to put your life out there this way. Yeah.

[A]

I didn't get that many calls from you this year, and, I mean, I.

[B]

Had a lot going on.

[A]

So who else trumped that? I'm just curious if your focus is whoever needed it the most and going on through the most. Just out of curiosity, where the hell were you?

[B]

You seem fine to me.

[A]

Oh, where the hell I was?

[B]

You seemed okay.

[A]

Yes. And, you know, no reason to check in, you know. No. Your attention was somewhere entirely different.

[B]

Please. Listen, Kemsley, you're an autopilot. You're.

[A]

That's true. I'm a professional.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I'm a veteran.

[B]

You are. At this point, I don't even know if this is sort of maybe too philosophical, but what would you tell Dorit from nine years ago about doing the show?

[A]

I would tell myself, listen, be yourself. Be unapologetically yourself. Don't be afraid. Don't try to figure it out. Be aware, Be shrewd. Be in the moment, and don't take anything for granted. And then I would say, buckle up, bitch, because you're going for a ride. The first year, I had that feeling, that mentality, that thought. And I remember the only thing that I. That I wondered. And I don't know if it was you that I asked or who it was, but I didn't know whether or not it was the right thing to do, putting my children on television. And I remember saying to some. To someone, because Phoenix, I mean, I had to get her a helmet. If you remember, she favored one side in the crib, and it flattened her head. And Jagger wasn't talking, and he was 2 years old, and all of this judgment, and I just. You're so protective of your children. And I remember someone had said, you know, listen, the decision's ultimately up to you, but, you know, it's a reality show, and it is, you know, we're seeing you in every aspect. And me as a mother is such an important part of me, and I just thought, you know, I can't do this journey and not show that dynamic, that side.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, I mean, I would just say, you know, just try to hold on to that confidence and that strength. And also just don't take things for granted. Don't take someone's kindness. You know, just keep your eyes open and pay attention and remember what comes out of your mouth and others and. Yeah. And be yourself.

[B]

It's hard because a lot of it comes down to not overthinking it, which is a difficult thing to do in this environment.

[A]

Much like the first episode, which. I don't know if I can tease this a bit, but it's a surrealism party.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And obviously, in my fashion sense, I wasn't just myself this season in my being, but also in my love for fashion. And I have this five pound disc that I had to balance on my head because I decided to use it as a hat. And I think it's designed more for, like, editorial, not to, like, go to a party so much like the five pound disc that I was balancing on my head in the first episode, that's the way I felt in the season, but with real life on my shoulders.

[B]

The disc is a metaphor.

[A]

Yes. That's. Thank you for surmising what I'm trying to say.

[B]

Okay, so you've had a lot of time now to reflect on the separation. What's your greatest takeaway or learning from it? What would you need either from pk, for you guys to get back together, for the relationship to work out, for the marriage to continue, or in your next relationship?

[A]

Oh, goodness. You know, this is an easy question for me to answer because I have thought about it so much, first and foremost, and it's the way I feel now. I need peace. I just. I want peace. In fact, I am, like, just taking a moment even as I say it. Communication is incredibly important. And I think that whether it's with PK or if it's in another relationship, communication is. It's necessary, it's key, and it's a foundation, you know, for the ups and the downs. And compassion, respect, honesty. They're all the things that I had wanted and told PK from the very beginning that they're non negotiables for me. And we had it, all of them, for a very long time. But communication took a sharp left turn. And when that happened, a lot of. Unfortunately, it was a domino effect. And I think that's where things started to fall apart.

[B]

Well, it gets harder if you don't say it in the moment, and then you start to harbor resentments.

[A]

Yes. You know, if you're not saying it, just like you said, if you're not saying it in the moment. Right. And you allow time. It does. It starts. The resentments fester. Yeah.

[B]

It starts to build.

[A]

They start to build and they fester. And then when you try to deal with it, so much has happened between then and that moment that whatever it is that you should have nipped in the bud doesn't even matter because there's so many other things that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That have now arisen out of not saying it. So I just think communication is so important. And I say that to all the listeners, really. If I had, you know, like a dating show. And I can so see myself giving advice, you know, those that. Those that can't do teachers, you know, that expression. But I just think communication is really, really important. And I did not grow up in a home where I would say my parents were poster children for the greatest communication.

[B]

I think. I mean, I think it's also partially generational. I think it was a different value then. And I think that, you know, it was the whole stiff upper lip thing. Just deal with it, don't talk about it, or you make it a bigger issue. And I don't think that's a great way to be. I don't think that makes the problem go away.

[A]

No, it doesn't. It does damage in a marriage, for sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it also. It does more damage to you as an individual. It does to me.

[B]

Yeah. You know, it corrodes.

[A]

It corrodes. And, you know, I think what I realized this year, and I just happened to be going into the season, is that I had had so much toxic energy that I had allowed to stay inside of me that I needed to release, to be free and to feel at peace. And that's why you'll see that I am. I'm not prepared to sweep it under the rug.

[B]

Well, you keep saying unburdened.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Because you put it all out there.

[A]

Yes. And I needed to be. And it felt good. And it wasn't with fear of consequences. And I think that's where you have to be. But at the end of the day, you know, I try to simplify my children. They're healthy and they're good and, you know, I am healthy and good and able to take care of them. And I have, you know, wonderful family and friends. That's what's important. If, you know, these conversations, although difficult. Although difficult at times, they're important for a friendship. And if it's a real friendship, those conversations are not going to break the friendship. They're going to make it better and stronger. And that's what I was hoping for and banking on.

[B]

Yeah. Especially with Kyle.

[A]

Yes, in particular with Kyle. Yeah. Well, Kyle is the really, the one friendship that means a lot to me and that I really felt like we had a very close relationship. I also. Going back to clarity, Alex, which you'll hear even when you and I are together, you'll hear me say a lot. Because I needed to understand if that was just in my mind.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I needed to understand if it was just. If she was paying lip service, you know, and when she would say that we're like sisters and we have a sisterly friendship, if that was real, I needed to know because I was tired of living on the surface or feeling a certain way, but not really knowing if it was reciprocated. It's the same even in my marriage.

[B]

In my mind, the friendship is real. Because you wouldn't possibly care that much on both sides if it weren't. It's just a matter of figuring out what you both need. Yeah, but you guys both cared a lot. And so, you know, I think even the things that you said in the moment, out of emotion or out of hurt, just to me, indicated a real friendship.

[A]

I know from my own personal feeling it was very real. Very, very real. My feelings for her, my love for her, all of our moments, not only real, but very important to me. And just like you said, I couldn't have gotten that upset about it if it wasn't. Yeah, I wouldn't have.

[B]

I think that's true on both sides. And I think that's why Kyle said what she did on Amazon Live was in part to take a shot because she was hurt, so she was making you feel the same way. So it's a shitty thing to say, but it came from a place of hurt and caring.

[A]

Yes, but I wasn't aware that she was hurt and I wasn't aware that I'd done anything.

[B]

Well, that goes back to needing the clarity and needing to talk about all of it.

[A]

Well, yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Because you weren't actually talking to each other about it, and so you both perceived that the other one was taking jabs as opposed to actually talking about it.

[A]

You know, I. Yeah, I felt very much that if I had not listen what I still say and I stand by and this is something that. This for Kyle and I, without giving too much away, but it wasn't even just about getting through what we had been through, but also in future, in our friendship, the changes that needed to be made.

[B]

There's more that developed. Yes, but just kind of coming into where you guys were at the start of the season before. Other things happened that you had to work through then. It was the estrangement of people who had been through a lot of experiences in life together and were very much at odds and had completely different points of view on what had happened.

[A]

Yes. And I wonder if I do this, I think it's something I need to reflect on, but I just feel like if I have an issue with somebody, I want to tell them. I don't want to in the moment. Yeah. And I don't think that it's fair. I don't think I. No, I don't do it if I've got an issue with somebody.

[B]

You'll say it.

[A]

Yeah, I'll say it. I won't treat them like shit and not tell them. And I think that that's something that.

[B]

So you think she retreats? You think that.

[A]

I think that she has feelings. She'll feel hurt about something. She won't tell you. You'll have no idea. And she'll treat you terribly or not speak to you, or both. And I think that's what I found very difficult. And not only did I have an issue with then, but I have an issue with moving forward. So even the things that we are still working through there, it's laying down a foundation, a strong foundation for a friendship that I think will be better, stronger. Could be better stronger, you know, and real. It's why I felt so immediately attracted to Bose, because Bose had what she was giving. And I've known her a few months, but I was getting. It felt like I was getting genuine, open, honest, even, whether it's good or bad, support.

[B]

But you kind of. I mean, you touched on it a little bit because you talked about even her listening and really listening. And so it didn't feel superficial. It felt like she's really there with you. She cares.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You're hearing the real from her.

[A]

Yes. Well, that's the other thing, is that she's not taking. Taking. She's not a taker. She's a giver, really. You know, it's actually she. It's not something she can even consciously, you know, make a decision whether she is or is. She's just a born giver, but she. If you're being vulnerable and open, she'll match it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She won't let you kind of be the only one. And then she's closed up. And a lot of people do that, Alex, a lot. They will allow you to be vulnerable and open, and then they listen, but they are closed. They don't share a single bit of information or vulnerability. It's what made me so attracted to her, her energy. And then there's so much more. I mean, she's so smart and she's funny and we laugh.

[B]

It's very cool to see, because obviously I'd heard about your friendship sort of taking flight right away, and it was really cool to see. To see it happen.

[A]

Yeah. And, you know, for. I don't know, obviously, because I haven't seen, but I know I was in it. And there were some people in the group that were not happy about it and that questioned it and that had took real issue with it, which I think initially, you know, had pissed me off, because it was like the one sense of support.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was something that I. I was holding on to. You know, when something means a lot, it. For not knowing someone for a very long time and then meaning so much to you. That's very rare. But again, just like anything, if it's real and it's there, then it's going to happen, no matter whether people like it or not.

[B]

Yeah. Also, I think by challenging it, they end up strengthening it and looking like an idiot. There's that.

[A]

I mean, it's just so. It's so juvenile.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's so childish. I don't think I've ever been mad or been upset about someone being friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or being. I don't know. It just feels very, very, very childish.

[B]

It's very high school.

[A]

It's very high school. And I wasn't that girl in high school.

[B]

No. Okay. I hope you and PK work things out, but if you don't, who gets Boy George in the divorce?

[A]

Oh, who gets boy? Well, Boy George is firmly in PK's camp. Oh, firmly.

[B]

Has he made that clear to you?

[A]

No. Maybe he wouldn't think he has, but, you know, I think I'm also not fighting for people that are in his camp. It's like, you know, let PK have whomever he needs, his support. Yes, exactly. And he should have that, as I should. I think George and I still will always be friends, but I think he's definitely firmly in PK's camp. And by the way, is that true? Like, in the event of a divorce, does that mean that you can't have friends that aren't here?

[B]

I think it depends on the circumstances.

[A]

Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Listen, I hope, no matter what, this is what I do hope, Alex. I have no idea. I don't know if PK and I will end up back together. There'll be a lot of work that needs to be done, or if we'll end up divorcing. But what I do hope is that we can, no matter what journey we have to go through, I hope that we can emerge as friends and truly preserve the friendship that I believe we have deep down for our children and for ourselves. Yeah, that's what I'd like more than anything.

[B]

Do me a favor. Will you give a. In your British accent, will you give a. Thanks so much for joining us on Hot Mic.

[A]

Thanks. Thanks so much for joining us on Bravo's Hot Mic today. It was lovely having tea with you all. And I know after this, people will not think that I sound British because I've been told I have the worst British accent.

[B]

Can you say goodbye in Italian?

[A]

Certo min Italiano. Posto Parlare cuolo que voy Allora tutti laringrazio Pertuto moto presto.

[B]

Arrivederci.

[A]

Arrivederci. Tesoro.

[B]

Fired house.

[A]

Oh, my God. We must.