PK Kemsley & Mauricio Umansky Talk RHOBH, Their Struggles, Married LIfe and More

Summary

Bravo's Hot Mic: PK Kemsley & Mauricio Umansky Talk RHOBH, Their Struggles, Married Life and More

Release Date: December 24, 2024
Hosts: Bravo TV's Alex McCord
Guests: PK Kemsley & Mauricio Umansky

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Introduction: A Unique Bromance in the Spotlight

In this heartfelt episode of Bravo's Hot Mic, hosts Alex McCord engage in a candid conversation with PK Kemsley and Mauricio Umansky, two beloved figures from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH). The episode delves deep into their personal struggles, the impact of fame on their marriages, and the intricate dynamics of their friendship.

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Navigating Fame and Friendship

Alex McCord opens the discussion by highlighting the unusual opportunity to have both PK and Mauricio on the show together, emphasizing their "bromance" and shared experiences.

• "It's very unusual for us to be allowed to talk."
  PK Kemsley [00:24]

Mauricio elaborates on how their friendship was forged through shared experiences on RHOBH, emphasizing mutual support outside the show's drama.

• "We have to support our wives. I think that's one of the things I told you early on."
  Mauricio Umansky [04:10]

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Impact of RHOBH on Personal Lives and Marriages

The conversation shifts to how being part of RHOBH has influenced their personal relationships and marriages.

Mauricio reflects on the longevity of the show, noting, "It's been going on for eight seasons." [00:56] He discusses how the show acts as a mirror, prompting couples to reflect on their real relationships.

• "Couples, when they watch themselves, end up reflecting and they actually see what their real relationship is like."
  Mauricio Umansky [15:30]

PK adds his perspective, sharing how the narrative portrayed on the show has diverged from reality, particularly concerning his relationship with Dorit.

• "Having her on TV talking about the darkest times in my life and suggesting that she held my hand through them... it's just unusual."
  PK Kemsley [12:44]

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Sobriety and Public Perception

A significant portion of the discussion centers around PK's journey to sobriety and how it was portrayed on RHOBH.

PK expresses his frustration with how Dorit characterized his past struggles on the show, feeling misrepresented.

• "Dorit spoke of bankruptcies, gambling debts, DUIs and that she stood by me... that's not exactly true."
  PK Kemsley [09:07]

He emphasizes his commitment to sobriety, stating, "I'm full blown recovery." [13:49] PK shares the emotional toll of watching past episodes that highlight his struggles, juxtaposed with his current state of clarity and recovery.

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Business Success Amidst Reality TV

Mauricio discusses leveraging the RHOBH platform to bolster his real estate business, seamlessly integrating marketing strategies within the show's environment.

• "The show helped us tremendously with the business, for sure."
  Mauricio Umansky [25:35]

PK echoes this sentiment, detailing his successful ventures, including a non-alcoholic champagne business and Beverly Beach.

• "I sold that business to Nick candies as you know. So that was quite successful for me."
  PK Kemsley [29:18]

Both acknowledge the show's role in amplifying their business endeavors, while also critiquing those who believe the show alone guarantees success.

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Challenges of Co-Parenting and Separation

The episode delves into the personal challenges both men face in their respective marriages, especially concerning co-parenting and recent separations.

PK shares the emotional strain of Dorit's portrayal of their past and the ongoing process of healing and co-parenting.

• "My priorities are my sobriety and my kids, and those are the two things that are going to drive me."
  PK Kemsley [22:07]

Mauricio offers insight into maintaining respect and friendship with his wife, Kyle, despite marital challenges.

• "Kyle and I are best friends. We've got businesses together, we've got a relationship together."
  Mauricio Umansky [34:26]

Both emphasize the importance of putting their children first and navigating their relationships with maturity and understanding.

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Reflections on Personal Growth and Future Outlook

As the conversation winds down, both PK and Mauricio reflect on their personal growth through their challenges and the future of their relationships.

Mauricio highlights his personal growth, becoming more introspective and open, leading to a stronger friendship with Kyle.

• "This relationship issues caused me to have to be more insightful, reflect, get more in touch with my feelings, become more vulnerable."
  Mauricio Umansky [35:47]

PK remains hopeful about the future, focusing on healing and maintaining a positive environment for his children.

• "We still love each other very much. So I would never say never."
  PK Kemsley [32:56]

Both reiterate their commitment to personal well-being and the well-being of their families, despite the public scrutiny and personal hardships.

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Closing Thoughts: Strength Through Adversity

In closing, Alex McCord thanks PK and Mauricio for their openness and bravery in sharing their personal stories, acknowledging the challenges of being public figures.

• "Thank you guys for coming and talking to me today. And also, I know that being along for the ride with your wife on this show is not easy, and so thank you for going through all of that and again, being so open about it."
  Alex McCord [38:59]

Mauricio and PK echo their gratitude, reflecting on the complexities of life in the limelight and the importance of genuine connections.

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Notable Quotes

• "It's very unusual for us to be allowed to talk."
  PK Kemsley [00:24]

• "Couples, when they watch themselves, end up reflecting and they actually see what their real relationship is like."
  Mauricio Umansky [15:30]

• "Dorit spoke of bankruptcies, gambling debts, DUIs and that she stood by me... that's not exactly true."
  PK Kemsley [09:07]

• "The show helped us tremendously with the business, for sure."
  Mauricio Umansky [25:35]

• "We still love each other very much. So I would never say never."
  PK Kemsley [32:56]

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This episode of Bravo's Hot Mic offers an intimate glimpse into the lives of PK Kemsley and Mauricio Umansky, highlighting the profound effects of reality TV on personal relationships and individual growth. Their stories underscore the resilience required to maintain personal integrity and familial bonds amidst the relentless spotlight of fame.

Transcript

[Mauricio Umansky]

Foreign.

[Alex McCord]

Well, I can see that bromance is in the air because I'm here on Bravo's hot mic with Mauricio Umansky and pk. How are you guys?

[Mauricio Umansky]

Good.

[PK Kemsley]

You?

[Alex McCord]

I'm doing well. Doing well.

[PK Kemsley]

Lots of people, my man here.

[Mauricio Umansky]

We're happy to be here. This is exciting. Yeah, yeah.

[Alex McCord]

No, it's fun.

[PK Kemsley]

It's very unusual for us to be allowed to talk.

[Alex McCord]

Oh, oh, is that so?

[Mauricio Umansky]

You know you're not allowed to talk?

[PK Kemsley]

No, we're not.

[Mauricio Umansky]

No, this is. I just want you to sit there.

[Alex McCord]

Why do you think brought a guest along with you?

[Mauricio Umansky]

I'm gonna do all the talking. You. You hang out.

[PK Kemsley]

Okay, no problem.

[Alex McCord]

Was that a direct shot at the fact that you just saw the first episode of the season of Beverly Hills and there were some shots taken at you? Is that what you're getting at?

[PK Kemsley]

There was no underlying suggestion around the first episode.

[Alex McCord]

Okay.

[PK Kemsley]

It's been eight years. Eight seasons.

[Mauricio Umansky]

It's been going on for eight seasons.

[Alex McCord]

Have you experienced that if your wives asked you before you've shot scenes for Beverly Hills maybe to keep your mouth shut or steer clear of certain things?

[PK Kemsley]

Well, when does she ever know?

[Mauricio Umansky]

I think Kyle, for the most part, has allowed me to just usually say whatever I want to say. I mean, there's been certain occasions where she's come in and just like, hey, here's a heads up. Like, here's what's going on with the girls, you know, Because, I mean, you know, from our perspective, we don't always know what's going on with all the girls. Right. So sometimes we just need to have a little bit of a background on it. So I know what the I'm saying.

[Alex McCord]

So you're not just saying some dumb.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Like, I did. Like, I have. Like, I have a couple of times for sure. Without having a knowledge of what actually happened. Yeah.

[Alex McCord]

So funny. I mean, you came into the show, PK without any idea what you gotten yourself into?

[PK Kemsley]

None. It was so strange because I just thought it was a great idea, and I put Dorit up for the cast in, and she got it. And the whole process from when she first did her interview, which was shortly after Phoenix was born, we were filming, like, four, six weeks later, and we had no idea. I don't know if she'd watched it, but I'd never seen one. I mean, I knew lvp and she seemed to be doing well, so I thought it was a good idea.

[Mauricio Umansky]

If you. If you saw them, if you had seen something, would you have still gone on or You. Would you have changed, done something different?

[PK Kemsley]

It's a great question.

[Alex McCord]

Good question.

[PK Kemsley]

If I had fully understood it, I might have reconsidered.

[Alex McCord]

Really?

[PK Kemsley]

Yeah.

[Alex McCord]

Is there a lesson there? Just in business?

[Mauricio Umansky]

Yeah. That's a good question.

[PK Kemsley]

Research.

[Alex McCord]

Yeah.

[PK Kemsley]

Could be a lesson. Yeah. I didn't put it in the business box. I really didn't. I put it in the social box. I thought this would be fun.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Right.

[PK Kemsley]

And the first time I made a joke in the first episode or the second episode about Erica's underwear or whatever, it was. Pantygate. I realized that my British sense of humor was not necessarily gonna land.

[Alex McCord]

That's funny. I had stars in my eyes. I thought we got. We found a live one.

[PK Kemsley]

Yeah, I'm sure.

[Alex McCord]

So, yeah, that was pretty good.

[PK Kemsley]

You never told me until season four that was doing something wrong. Yeah.

[Alex McCord]

It was up to you to figure it out. Be yourself and. But that really is who you are. I think the difference is sometimes it can be difficult that people take it differently in real life than they do when they're watching the show.

[PK Kemsley]

In fact, it was your wife that put me in trouble on that one.

[Mauricio Umansky]

How?

[PK Kemsley]

Because she asked the question. Anyway, let's not go back there, okay?

[Alex McCord]

This has already taken a detour.

[PK Kemsley]

That's eight years ago.

[Alex McCord]

Well, I was excited to have you guys on together because you have shared experiences and you've had parallel journeys on the show that are also different, and you've become really good friends and people are very into your bromance. So, for example, when you guys were in Miami recently, and people saw photos of you guys that were really excited about it. Right. Because you guys are going through some of the same experiences in life right now. So tell me about that. Tell me about how you guys became close.

[PK Kemsley]

Well, I filmed first. I think the very first time we ever filmed was a Lisa's Restaurant pump.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Yeah.

[PK Kemsley]

And we came outside and I hadn't met him properly, and I said to him, how's this experience for you? And he said something like, bro, your life's going to change forever. And I said, isn't that bit extreme? And he said, no. And I think that at that point, a few people came up to him asking for selfies and such. And I was like, okay, so it's very public. He says, yeah. So I actually said to him, look, why don't you and I have an agreement and let's just stay friends and not let each other down? And it was. It was words like that, wasn't it something like that?

[Mauricio Umansky]

It was plus or minus. Something like that. But, you know, one of the things that the show has done great is create, you know, some friendships, particularly for us, you know, in terms of the husbands. You know, we're kind of like on the outside of all of the drama. We don't really get involved in the drama, but we watch it. We have to support, you know, we support our wives. I mean, I think that that's a, you know, move. I think that's one of the things I told you early on. As I said, just always support Dorit. Always support your wife. She's always right. On camera, you could say she's wrong somewhere else, but on camera, she's always right. And. But it does build a friendship because you go through something that nobody else can understand. You know, when we're out in public, when we're scrutinized on the tabloids, when, you know, our lives are scrutinized, whether they're. Whether it's accurate or inaccurate. You know, unfortunately, there's more inaccuracies than there are accuracies when, you know, people talk about us, but there's nothing we can do about them. And people just don't understand that. But we understand each other. Right. So when you have that thing in common, there's a lot of things that, you know, as a friend, you can talk about, you can do, you can share that others wouldn't even understand. So you can't even bring it up to other people. Yeah. And that creates. Creates, you know, a much tighter friendship. Obviously, in the last year, as you said, we've been going both through separations, you know, relationship issues in different ways, but we have both been going through that. And so that, you know, has given us an Also. An opportunity by both of us also being on the show to share things with it with each other that we would never be able to share with others just because they wouldn't understand it. And so that just has brought our friendship even more closer.

[PK Kemsley]

I think that's right. I think there's a level of trust that Mo and I have that we can talk about anything, knowing that it's not going to be repeated. I mean, certainly when I read stuff about Mo in the paper, I invariably know it's not true, so I don't even need to call him. And vice versa. Do you know what I mean? Some of the issues, you know, occasionally when the girls haven't got on, we've had a conversation and we're both like, leave them to it. Leave them to it.

[Alex McCord]

I was gonna ask you that. So is that how you guys manage if Kyle and Dorit are having issues with each other, you just separate yourself from it.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Yes and no. I think we separate ourselves from the emotional aspect of it and don't get too into it. But I can tell you that from my perspective, I have definitely tried to. How should I say, rekindle the friendship and kind of just work behind the scenes, whether it's with PK have him say certain things to Dorit, and whether I say certain things to Kyle. Because at the end of the day, you know, they're both great, great girls, and there's no reason for them to not be able to rekindle their friendships. Because, I mean, one of the things that this show has done to the women that I have witnessed in. In some occasions is that they get into each other so intensely, they fight. You know, generally speaking, when you get into that kind of fight, you just tell somebody to off you're gone, and you're never seeing them again. In this particular case, they're back together again. And when you go through those ups and downs, you can actually end up creating a way stronger friendship with somebody that understands in the long run.

[Alex McCord]

Yeah. Because I think the other thing is, I mean, the show then, in a certain sense encourages complete honesty where you ordinarily wouldn't say something. You would just let it go. You say it, and then you have to get over it.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Yeah. It also encourages you to say shit that you probably don't.

[Alex McCord]

Stuff that you're thinking that you usually just. We keep to yourself.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Yes.

[PK Kemsley]

Also, they don't leave it there. So what happens is they bring it. I mean, I certainly. From Dorit, because she's not an actress. Whatever she's saying on camera, she's feeling it. Then she'll bring it home. And obviously, I only get half the story and I get her perspective. And whenever I hear from Dorit, it always sounds right. And she'll present a scenario, and then I'll listen to Mo and he'll say, well, it's not quite like that. And then it gets very confusing. And at that point, you tend to step out because both of them, when you talk to them, are very compelling. It's very difficult to give an opinion.

[Alex McCord]

And then there's the experience of reliving it when the show airs, and then they get upset all over the place.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Seven months later.

[PK Kemsley]

Right.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Six months later, which is like.

[PK Kemsley]

Which I never understood until. Until this season. I never understood that until it really affected me, which was the episode that's just aired. So.

[Alex McCord]

So let's Talk about that. So the first episode just aired.

[PK Kemsley]

Yeah.

[Alex McCord]

And so you had to relive a really painful time in because obviously your sobriety was very recent. Separation. Even more recent. It just happened. And tell me what your reaction was to Dorit's characterization of what was happening between you guys.

[PK Kemsley]

I was shocked, disappointed, and upset. And what Dorit had to say, I mean, to be. I mean, first of all, you know, I'm really proud and public about my sobriety, and I'm 12 months in two weeks, so let's go. I think sobriety enables me to breathe and let him continue until he runs out of air, and then I can respond. I'm now completely clear. My public sharing of my sobriety was about recovery. It was to inspire other people that it doesn't matter how dark it gets, you can recover. You can't do it on your own. You need people. It's a very emotional, tough journey, the toughest one I've really taken. And you also don't necessarily realize how this disease has got you until you work out that you actually have this disease. And many people, unfortunately, don't work it out and don't get better. And it's a really cunning, sophisticated illness. Right. Almost like it's got its own personality, its own soul. And when you get older, it becomes progressive. So it's one of those things that the older you get, the worse it gets. So Dorit's lack of understanding about sobriety is not her fault. She hasn't invested in it, and it's not something, you know, she hasn't worked a program and hasn't done what I've done. So there is no fully blown alcoholic. You're either an alcoholic or you're not. Right. And I felt that some of those descriptions, which obviously my alcoholism had an element of responsibility in relation to the breakdown of our marriage, but that was just a component. Right. And the truth is, if you understand the disease, alcoholism is a symptom. It's not a cause. So the reality is you have to get to what the cause was underneath. So it's just not as simple as to say he was a fully blown alcoholic. That's why we're separated.

[Alex McCord]

But wouldn't you say, though, that she was just processing at that point as well? You guys had just split, just separated. So I think it probably was really confusing to her too, and maybe she would look at it differently now, many months later.

[PK Kemsley]

Oh, 100%. Listen. It was emotionally difficult for me to watch it. Dorit spoke of bankruptcies, gambling debts, DUIs and that she stood by me. I mean, it's not exactly true. The bankruptcy and all the gambling debts were well before I met her. And the thing for me, because I've recovered from all of the things that have happened in my extraordinary career. I've recovered from everything. I haven't gambled since 2008. I don't drink. Do you know what I mean? The bankruptcy was 2010, 9, during the credit crunch. All of that was past, past history.

[Mauricio Umansky]

So to sit there, those things make you stronger.

[PK Kemsley]

Not only make me stronger, 100.

[Mauricio Umansky]

You learn from those things, like having those type of difficulties, things in your life. I mean, I went through a bankruptcy, you know, 25 years ago. Like, it made me a way better businessman. Like, I've learned so much from that. So there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing to be ashamed of any of that stuff.

[PK Kemsley]

No, but I'm not. But the point is. No, I know you're someone you love. Dorit is on TV talking about the darkest times in my life and suggesting that she held my hand through them. It's difficult to watch sometimes, particularly when she wasn't with me when it happened. So from my perspective, I see that she's emotionally distraught, she's unhappy. And that was when it was filmed, a really unhappy time. And we just separated. It was a low, it was the all time low. And I'd said this isn't working and we need some time apart.

[Mauricio Umansky]

And I gotta tell you, I spent a lot of time with you and I'm very proud of the way that you, with all kidding aside, with all of that stuff, I mean, you've been in situations where people, we're partying, we're drinking, we're having a good time and you just, you know, you have been able to have a good time and just completely be, you know, not drink and. And yet still be part of the group. And that's not easy. And so, I mean, I got to tell you, just being totally honest, like, I'm super proud of you and you've done really well with that, so.

[PK Kemsley]

Well, yeah, I feel proud of myself. And I know that if you're a public figure and you're doing something for people, I get a lot of messages from people that have got sober, you know, that I've been an influence in that. And it is a unique personal journey. It's not by nature, you want it to be anonymous. So I took a decision that I was going to share it, but I wanted it to be very positive about recovery. I didn't want it to be. He did that because of that. Right. The answer is it's an illness. And I think I've spoken about this on the show, maybe in the next episode, but I'm full blown recovery. That's the term, full blown. That's where it should be used. I'm full blown recovery. So it is tough to watch. It is appearing in time and it brings a lot back. So I did struggle with the first episode, but I'm not angry. I'm just sad to watch it. You know, I never thought that us two, who are the tightest couple in the world, would ever be in a position where I'm watching this woman I love the mother and my kids talking negatively about me on a TV show. It's just unusual. It's an unusual concept.

[Alex McCord]

I want to go back to that in a minute because I want to ask you about the impact that you think being on the show has had on your marriage, because I know you have strong thoughts on that. But I also know, Mo, you have an interesting perspective on what being on a television show does to people's marriages and why it might challenge the marriages. So what's your feeling on that?

[Mauricio Umansky]

Well, I've been on this. How long have I been on this show? 14.

[Alex McCord]

14 years.

[Mauricio Umansky]

I mean, that's just unbelievable.

[Alex McCord]

A long time in life.

[Mauricio Umansky]

But what it's done is, it has. I have witnessed multiple marriages, multiple house husbands, multiple housewives come in and go, we've had divorces, we've had all kinds of different things. And I can tell you that my perspective is not what happened between Kyle and I. I actually think we had an amazing. And we survived this thing. But my perspective is that what ends up happening is that couples, when they watch themselves, end up reflecting and they actually see what their real relationship is like, they believe. And they go to bed with a perception of their own relationship that is different than what. Once they watch it, they're confronted with the reality, and then they reflect and they see it from a different point of view and a different perspective. They're like, holy shit, that's what my relationship is. And then they start becoming conscious of that. And once you become conscious of that, it now becomes part of the reality, and you start witnessing that and you're like, yeah, that is what my relationship is. And all of a sudden you start seeing that. Both sides see that, plus the public.

[Alex McCord]

Noise with everyone else telling them this is what it really is, 100%.

[PK Kemsley]

Well, that wasn't the case with me, but from my perspective, I think That's.

[Mauricio Umansky]

A lot of our people. Yeah, sure.

[PK Kemsley]

I think seeing the rate change so dramatically from who she was before she went on the show to who she is now. Dorit and I've spoken about this, you know, being a public figure, going from anonymity to being this. But from my perspective, somewhere along the line, the entire narrative and the entire reality of who we were, who did what, completely changed. And suddenly I'm. I'm watching my wife be someone that is in a different person to the person that I met a married and fell in love with. Now, you could argue I've changed, but.

[Mauricio Umansky]

That'S what I was going to ask you. If you were to reflect on yourself, do you think you've changed to the.

[PK Kemsley]

I. I believe this. I'm going to be really honest. Yeah, I. I actually. I don't believe I've changed at all. I think that I've stayed fairly grounded, and most of my friends and family will say, he's not changed the slightest bit. Dorit's change is enormous. Now, I'm not saying it's all for the bad. She's got more beautiful as far as I'm concerned. She's an unbelievable. I've spoken about this mother, but the dynamics in our relationship and her perspective and her narrative of what has gone on are very different to mine.

[Alex McCord]

Did you ever consider then walking away from the show?

[PK Kemsley]

We did consider that and we did talk about it. And one of the issues is when it started to get bad, you know, particularly in more recent seasons, you know, you were quite a part of the conversations. And I actually said to Dorit, before she signed up for this season, I said, if we don't make it, if we're not together, would you still do the show? Because there was a point that she was going to walk from the show, but I didn't want her to walk knowing that our marriage was in jeopardy. And then her say, you made me lose my job, so I would never do that.

[Alex McCord]

But isn't that kind of circular? Because the challenge is you didn't think that the marriage would work if she was on the show.

[PK Kemsley]

Well, I think I already knew that the marriage hadn't worked at that point, so. Okay, there's a little bit of a difference, right?

[Mauricio Umansky]

Big difference. Yeah. But, you know, people change as they grow anyway, through experiences, through business experiences, through relationships, your relationship, etc. Etc. What I'm saying is what the show does, when you watch yourself and you do it, you reflect. You just change in a different way sometimes also. Right. So because Most people don't get a chance to watch themselves.

[Alex McCord]

But I think what he's saying, though, is that any experience in life changes you.

[Mauricio Umansky]

That's right.

[Alex McCord]

This just happens to be a television show, but anything that you do sets you on a different course.

[Mauricio Umansky]

That's right.

[Alex McCord]

You become a different person. For better and worse.

[Mauricio Umansky]

We all change. Relationships change. Like, that's why you started saying, like, relationships. Marriages are difficult with or without the show. Why? Because people change.

[PK Kemsley]

Yeah.

[Mauricio Umansky]

You meet somebody when you're 24 years old, and when you're 34, you're a different person.

[PK Kemsley]

You grow together and you change together. Let me finish before you interrupt me. The reality is, is, I mean, I'm talking about. I'm talking about core.

[Mauricio Umansky]

We've been here for 30 minutes and you've had 22 minutes.

[PK Kemsley]

I'm talking about. I'm talking about you. You don't necessarily have to change your fundamental core values.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Well, but sometimes it just changes. You're not changing. You change because you change.

[Alex McCord]

Pk like, also, it's the age old question, too, because I think this. With money and fame, the question is, do they change people or do they reveal them 100%?

[PK Kemsley]

Well, he's asked you a question. I can't be 100%. It's got to be.

[Mauricio Umansky]

No, that's 100% the right question. He's right. I mean, in the question, there's an answer you'll never know.

[PK Kemsley]

I would like to try and answer that. If you apply that to dorit, has dorit become who she was always going to become, or did the environment change her? Right, that's the question. And there's no way of answering that because you don't know who dorit would have become. Dorit being who Dorit is, she always had that underlying personality. You know, whatever her issues are, be it control or whatever they were, they always existed.

[Mauricio Umansky]

See, I think for Kyle, for example, that's completely different. She is in that environment. She's been in it for 14 years. And I think Kyle is extremely grounded and down to earth, and I don't think that the show or has gotten to her the fame, the money at all. I think that she is the exact, you know, same person that she was before the show. Before, you know, we both made money. And I don't think it has changed her at all.

[PK Kemsley]

Like, although it's increased her anxiety levels. Right. And it's given.

[Mauricio Umansky]

There's a bunch of other shit that has happened. But from the perspective of, like, the. You talked about the fame and the change I don't think that's gotten. I don't think that that has affected Kyle at all, which is what you.

[PK Kemsley]

I don't think it's affected Dorit.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Right.

[PK Kemsley]

Completely different people, and they're different people, and I think that it affected Dorit. You know, Is that irreversible? No, it's not irreversible. If Dorit came off the show tomorrow, would everything be fine? No.

[Alex McCord]

Right.

[PK Kemsley]

You know, it's moved on since then.

[Alex McCord]

Do you regret doing the show now?

[PK Kemsley]

Yeah, of course I do. I'm not with the love of my life, so of course I regret it.

[Alex McCord]

But then going back to. You just said that, you know, obviously you can't reverse that. Here we are. But then if that's love of your life, are you going to end up back together? Are you going to.

[PK Kemsley]

I have no idea at the moment. I'm very clear on what my priorities are. It's my sobriety and my kids, and those are the two things that are going to drive me. Dorit and I share these beautiful kids, and they're always going to come first, and we're going to do our absolute best to avoid, you know, falling out. It's a very difficult time at the moment, particularly when we're going to re watch. And I've got no idea at all what dorit said on this show. So for us, we're going to be watching this. No idea what she's going to say.

[Mauricio Umansky]

For the first time.

[PK Kemsley]

Yeah, for the first time. And no right of response. I mean, this is.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Just remember that as you watch. It happened nine months ago, eight months ago.

[Alex McCord]

But I. But I think that's true and fair because as going back to. I said that with the first episode where she was really raw and hurt because you really made the decision to separate. Right. So you took that action. So she was just taking that in at that point. And so I think that a lot of the things that she said reflected her own emotional state at that point.

[PK Kemsley]

I think that's right. And I don't. You know, as much as I'm upset to watch it, that's not going to define the outcome of Dorit and me.

[Alex McCord]

Right.

[PK Kemsley]

It is difficult. I've always struggled with the concept of watching something and it's not in the real time. And are we in. That's because it takes you back very.

[Alex McCord]

Absolutely.

[PK Kemsley]

Is the right word viscerally or tan. It becomes very tangible. And also in this particular instance, Dorit was merging 20 years of my life's history, focusing on all the bad elements so to sit and just listen to that and have to relive that and almost say, well, that's not what happened. And that's not what happened. And, oh, I didn't support her during the burglary. What are you talking about? And all that stuff. And you see it and you think, not only is it not true, but then you read about it and then your mum. My mum calls me and why is she saying that? Why is she saying that? Do you know what I mean?

[Mauricio Umansky]

I mean, the shit that comes out that's so not true is so crazy. I mean, like, the whole issue with you and Kyle texting, like, who gives a right?

[PK Kemsley]

Like, it's so stupid.

[Alex McCord]

But you've always been really good.

[Mauricio Umansky]

The whole thing with me and Dorit, like, having a thing like, that's. That's so fucking stupid, like.

[Alex McCord]

But you've also always been really good at letting things go, which I always thought balanced out Kyle, especially in the early seasons when everything would really bomb bother her.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Yes.

[Alex McCord]

Your attitude was just like, it only matters if you allow it to matter.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Right?

[Alex McCord]

Who gives a shit what people are saying?

[PK Kemsley]

He's very, very good at that. Yeah, Mo doesn't hold on to resentments, et cetera, et cetera. He's really, really good at that. From my perspective, I'm far more emotionally driven than most. So, yeah, it really ingresses my soul. And then. And that might be part of, you know, being an alcoholic. You. Your brain works differently. You've got a compulsive mind. And as I work through what I'm working through, I'm trying and learning to let my resentments go. And I struggle with that. He doesn't. He's a happy go lucky. Good morning. What happened last night? Who gives a fuck? He's moved on. Do you know what I mean? Whereas me, I'm like, oh, my God, you know, and it really, really troubles me sometimes, and I wish it didn't, but when people highlight your inefficiencies in life, your, you know, your troubles, nobody's gonna sit there and go, this is so much fun. Do you know what I mean? It's just not fucking fun. But I'm not as laid back as him.

[Alex McCord]

Mo, you really successfully leveraged the show for your own business. Tell me about that, about when you realized, you know, pretty early on, like, oh, I should make something of this.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Well, I remember Kyle came into the room and she said, you know, I've been offered this show, this opportunity, and, you know, we talked about her doing it and what I didn't want to happen is to her, for her to have resentment for me ever saying, you know, holding her back, Like, I just. That's so important for me. So I gave her all, like, I'm like, let's go and let's do this. Like, why not? But it coincided right when I was beginning the agency, and it was just a coincidental thing, right where I had already become the number three real estate agent in the country. And I had made the decision that it was time to go from being a real estate agent to being a real estate broker and to start a company, to be a principal. And when we started to do that, we started the show. And I've always been a marketing person. Like, that's what I do. I'm a marketing guy. I talk about that. I talk about lifestyle, talk about all of those things. So while we're on the show, I just started, you know, do. And I came from fashion, right? So all of a sudden I had the agency on the hat, I had the agency on the shirts, I had the merchandise, product placement, etcetera, etceter. And it became a known entity. And the show helped us tremendously with the business, for sure. I wouldn't say differently than, you know, million dollar listing or some other things have helped people launch a business or become a business. Like, I already had a business. I already had it launched. I was already super successful. But the show was really great for me to get the word out to the world and to expand that and to make it a lot faster.

[Alex McCord]

I love that so much because I always say everyone is given the same platform and it's just a matter of what you do with it. And so nothing makes me more proud than when people use the show to some other. For some other purpose.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Well, and I could tell you that one of the things that makes me upset when I hear it from multiple people, whether it's our franchise or other franchises or just other reality, is when people try to protect that the show did nothing for them and not give credit to something that helped. And that bothers me too, because the reality is it helped a lot. So again, it's not the reason why the agency became the agency. It's not the reason I became successful. It's not the reason for any of those things, but it was helpful to all of those things.

[Alex McCord]

It's an extraordinary platform because I also don't like it when people behind the scenes take credit for the success of people who are on the show. Because it's your business.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Sure goes both ways.

[Alex McCord]

It totally right so, but, but yeah, no, it's also annoying on the other hand, when people you frustrated that they don't have something to show for having been on it. I'm like, that's up to you.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Yeah.

[Alex McCord]

Like you have to launch a successful business, you have to have a great product and if you don't, it isn't the show's fault.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Well, and the other thing that we've seen when we're talking about business and we've. I know you've seen this. I know we've all seen this. Is when people get on the show with the thinking that they're going to launch a product in the show. They get on the show to launch a product.

[Alex McCord]

Yes.

[Mauricio Umansky]

It's never successful.

[Alex McCord]

No.

[Mauricio Umansky]

I've not seen one time when that's a successful mission.

[Alex McCord]

No, it has to be something that. That's genuine and it has to be legitimate and real. And that's why people will, you know, complain if we end up cutting things that we've shot along those lines. But if it just feels like it's chilling, we're not going to keep it in the show.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Right.

[Alex McCord]

You know, because it's. Who cares? It's not fun to watch and. And it undermines the integrity of the show. Pk, you've launched a few businesses on the show, including a very famous non alcoholic champagne businesses and Beverly Beach.

[PK Kemsley]

It's so funny when the bikinis. The show, when you talk about the champagne. I sold that business to Nick candies as you know. So that was quite successful for me.

[Alex McCord]

You're welcome.

[PK Kemsley]

Yeah. Thank you, Alex. But Beverly beach and that whole experience, you know, Dorit's really a great designer and she's a beautiful girl and she came from that industry and she did a great job at launching that and it was starting to really garner some momentum. But then Covid hit and the shame for dorit and not many people know she was about to get a huge order from one of the big stores.

[Alex McCord]

Yeah.

[PK Kemsley]

And then Covid hit and life got in the way. But Dorit is.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Her stuff was a great. It was great.

[PK Kemsley]

She's a look. She's a budding entrepreneur and wants to build something and do something as a result of the show. The real reality is the brand is Dorit.

[Alex McCord]

Right.

[PK Kemsley]

That is the brand. And I think that I've been busy doing my stuff and I wanted her to get on and do her stuff and she understood the show better than I did. I'm very proud of what mo's achieved in his life and we share our successes. And we really talk. I mean, he and I really have a very, very real, true friendship. The girls haven't managed to achieve that.

[Alex McCord]

I think other things, I think they do or they wouldn't care this much.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Right.

[Alex McCord]

I think they just struggle to navigate it.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Agreed.

[Alex McCord]

That's my feeling.

[Mauricio Umansky]

I agree with Alex on that assessment.

[Alex McCord]

Pk, what do you think the chances are that you and Jerit work through this current separation? I know that you guys recently went through the traumatic experience of dealing with Jagger's health struggles.

[PK Kemsley]

Yeah.

[Alex McCord]

I know that necessarily that brought you together and I know that made you start to kind of think. I mean, it's when you know you guys then are your family forever when you're dealing with that.

[PK Kemsley]

Yeah, it's. The whole Jaga scare was the worst. Four weeks. I'm not exaggerating it because there was a long or felt like an age where we didn't know what was wrong with him. And at 57 years old, I've seen a lot of tragedy, a lot of things happen. And so your mind takes you to the worst place. And it was very, very scary. And he's such a beautiful kid and, you know, and he's looking up me and Dorit and like, just scared. So we came together magnificently over that period of time. We were 24, seven at the hospital. We. We dovetailed a couple of nights. We were there together. You know, she was on the sofa trying it on with me. I was saying, leave it alone. We're separated.

[Alex McCord]

I don't think so. And then what happened?

[PK Kemsley]

Listen, we are in a. We are. Are in a place where we are trying to work things out and to co parent and Absolutely, there's always, you know, we're not divorced. Right. And I don't think any of us particularly want this to happen. If this is the way that our journey is, then we're going to make sure that we stay friendly and we co parent and when it gets difficult, we're going to have to take a breath and step back. It's going to take a lot of change for both of us and a lot of compromise for us. For me to say to you, yeah, I think we'll get back where we stand. At the moment, we're not focusing on trying to get back. We're focusing on finding a new way of living and make sure that the kids are as least affected as possible.

[Alex McCord]

Yeah.

[PK Kemsley]

That's where we are at the moment. And we still love each other very much. So I would never say never.

[Alex McCord]

Yeah. And, Mo, you and Kyle have So much respect for each other. And I know, you know, even now have such a great relationship. So what is it like to have the expectations of people thinking, you know, this is this golden couple that, you know, are. Set the standard for a loving family and how did this happen? Do you feel any pressure or.

[Mauricio Umansky]

No, I don't. I don't feel any pressure whatsoever. I really do ignore the tabloids, and I really do ignore the people and all that stuff because it's just so much noise. Generally, it's evil. In this particular case, what you just said, it's kind of nice because people do want us together.

[Alex McCord]

Yeah.

[Mauricio Umansky]

So that's actually the one piece that's not evil. But generally speaking, the noise is evil. So I ignore it. Kyle and I are. Are. We're best friends. Yeah. I mean, we are so lucky to have the relationship that we have. We've yet to file for divorce. We were married for 28 years, I think 29 years. Together for 30 years. You know, through circumstances, I think we just needed, you know, time, a separation. And neither she or I have talked about anything at this point in terms of reconciliation or whatever that looks like. I think we're both just allowing time to pass without doing anything. I think that the way I'm seeing it is that everything will just happen naturally for, you know, when it. Whenever. Whenever it's meant to be.

[Alex McCord]

Yeah.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Or however it's meant to be. Obviously, the longer we're apart, the less the chances are that we'll be together. Maybe, maybe not. Maybe that's right. Maybe that's wrong.

[PK Kemsley]

I agree with that.

[Mauricio Umansky]

You know, the longer you're apart, the harder it is. Yeah, it just. Is it just naturally. But we also have a lot of forces that continuously bring us together right now. I can tell you that, you know, in terms of my life, I'm enjoying being alone, just seeing what that brings me. I'm exploring that. I'm allowing that to be. But I have two things that are super important in my life, probably the most important things in my life right now that I want to make sure that I really put effort into it. And that's going to continue to put Kyle and I together in a really beautiful way, and that is that I've got Portia still living at home. She's got one and a half years left of school before she leaves to college. And I want to make sure that I am there for her as much as I can and be there because she's my best friend. I love her to death, and I want to make sure that I don't leave that world right now. So that's a force that's just going to continue to put Kyle and I together in the holidays events, et cetera, et cetera. The other force that's super important to me is Alexia is now engaged.

[Alex McCord]

Congratulations.

[Mauricio Umansky]

She and I are going to be. And Kyle and I are going to be throwing a wedding. And that's going to be something that's also going to be constantly bringing us together. And the fact that we are still best friends and great friends and have an amazing relationship while we go through this thing will be fun.

[Alex McCord]

In some ways, your relationship is better than ever because you've had to communicate about things that were challenges before.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Yeah. We went through that moment, you know, as we were separating and before I moved out, we were talking all the time. For me it was very growing because I tend to just, you know, be very. Allow things to just brush under the ground, you know, not, not deal with things, et cetera, et cetera. But to me, this relationship issues caused me to have a. To be more insightful, reflect, get more in touch with my feelings, become more vulnerable. A lot of things that have helped me grow and I think have helped me be a better person. But have also, you know, did allow Kyle and I to have some real conversations that we had never had.

[Alex McCord]

Yeah.

[Mauricio Umansky]

And that was great. Since I've moved out, we've just been friends. We stopped that conversation, we stopped that intensity. We've just said, you know what, we're raising kids, we've. We've got businesses together, we've got a relationship together. And we've just allowed it time to pass. Time will heal. Time will not heal. What. Who the heck knows what time will do? I don't have a plan. I'm allowing life to occur. And that's kind of the way I'm looking at this moment in my life right now. I am not trying to create a direction. I'm not trying to go one way or the other. I'm just allowing life to occur.

[Alex McCord]

You were saying that the more time lapses, the less likely it is to end up back in the well.

[PK Kemsley]

What happens in reality? There's always the risk that the re will meet someone, I'll meet someone. There's always the chance that, you know things that happen that take you away. Yeah. And particularly when you're on a TV show, you're watching what's going on, you're reading about it. As he says, you're almost observing as a. And out of body experience. There are a Lot of challenges and a lot of scenarios that can get in the way of healing the relationship, and that's the biggest danger. So when he says the longer it it is, the less chance that has to be right, you know, now from my perspective, because I'm going through a healing journey and I'm in recovery, how I view things now is differently.

[Alex McCord]

Yeah.

[PK Kemsley]

I've got a lot of clarity and I can see things, and I've got to get better at communicating. I was a big avoider, and Dorit needs to get better at things that were troubling me, and we're working on that. But where that lands, whether we just end up being great friends, I think the most important thing is that we stay very friendly for the kids. I mean, Jagger is very, very.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Well, you've got two gorgeous, beautiful kids that you have to co parent.

[Alex McCord]

You know, they're young.

[PK Kemsley]

I could not imagine a situation where we dealt with Jagger recently where Dorit and I weren't doing it together. I couldn't have done it alone, and she couldn't have done it alone. So that we needed to come together.

[Mauricio Umansky]

And for the sake of those kids, you know, they are young. You need to, like, you need to work on that relationship. I mean, my kids are all moved out of the house with the exception of Kai with Portia.

[Alex McCord]

Yeah, yeah. But it does give you the instant perspective that otherwise you might lack. And so instead of it being about whatever's going on between you and Dorit, it really is about the kids. And then you figure it out from there.

[PK Kemsley]

That's right.

[Alex McCord]

Yeah. Well, thank you guys for coming and talking to me today. And also, I know that being along for the ride with your wife on this show is not easy, and so thank you for going through all of that and again, being so open about it.

[Mauricio Umansky]

Well, thank you for having us on the show today.

[Alex McCord]

For more of my conversation, go to bravo tv.com and you're supportive of each other's relationships with each other's estranged partners.

[PK Kemsley]

I miss the dynamic of the four of us. So does he.