Hair Extensions 101 with Celebrity Hairstylist Lacy Redway

Summary

Breaking Beauty Podcast: "Hair Extensions 101 with Celebrity Hairstylist Lacy Redway"

Date: November 5, 2025
Hosts: Jill Dunn & Carlene Higgins
Guest: Lacy Redway, Celebrity Hairstylist

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Episode Overview

This episode explores all things hair extensions with celebrity stylist Lacy Redway, whose clients include Serena Williams, SZA, Florence Pugh, Michelle Williams, and Tessa Thompson. The conversation demystifies extensions—from types and installation methods to maintenance, blending, and product recommendations. With holiday parties and seasonal events approaching, listeners get insider advice for seamless, healthy, and stylish hair transformation at any experience level.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to Lacy Redway & Her Expertise

• Lacy is renowned for creating show-stopping hair looks on red carpets, fashion runways, music videos, and editorial shoots.
• She’s worked on iconic Met Gala looks and is a go-to for both bold, sculptural hair (e.g., cowboy hat braids for Tessa Thompson) and understated elegance (e.g., Michelle Williams at red carpets).
• Extensions play a big role in her toolkit, and she brings both artistry and practical expertise.

2. Why Extensions? – Purpose & Evolution

• Extensions were once obvious and taboo; now, thanks to technology and mainstream adoption, they’re nearly undetectable and widely accepted (“Is she or isn’t she?” - 03:00).
• Used for everything from volumizing fine hair and adding length, to creating protective styles or fashion-forward statements.

3. Types of Extensions & Choosing What’s Right

Key Question: What’s your approach to prepping clients? Clip-in, sewn, tape-in?

• On set, Lacy prefers high-quality, professional clip-in extensions, especially Bellami’s new textured collection, for versatility and fast changes (09:19).
• “I’d rather pay to get quality versus having to buy something a few times because it’s not good.” – Lacy Redway (10:22)

Mythbusting:

• Do extensions damage your hair?
  • Only if installed or maintained incorrectly (tight styles, leaving in too long, double-processing).
  • “If you are doing the recommended things...you are gonna be fine with extensions. But when it becomes damaging is when people abuse it by keeping them in too long...” – Lacy Redway (10:51)

DIY Clip-ins:

• Temporary, easy to use for events, can (and should) be removed before washing your own hair.
• Storage: Use protective dust/satin bags, not drawers, to extend lifespan (13:08).

4. Extension Shopping & Hair Matching Tips

• Always select extensions based on desired style, natural texture, and whether your own hair will be left out or fully covered (14:02).
  • If blending with your own hair, texture match is crucial.
• Bellami extensions are all real human hair—Amazon/beauty supply options often mix fibers, leading to poor performance (15:14).
• Buy from reputable brands – “Consistency is really important...my clients are not trying to hear that I tried a new extension brand premiere day and it tangled and...created a rat nest in the back of their head.” – Lacy Redway (16:27)

5. Practical Application—How Many Packs?

• Number needed depends on head size, desired result (volume vs. length), and natural density (21:42).
  • “People typically go with one to two packs...if you wanted to have 30 inch extensions, I would suggest two to three packs.” – Lacy Redway (22:03)
  • For thick hair, consider braiding and pinning underneath hair to minimize bulk and maximize blending (22:25).

6. Clip-ins vs. Pro Salon Installs—Pros & Cons

• Clip-ins: Low risk, removable, great for "dating" the look before committing (“You get to date extensions with clip-ins.” - 25:24).
• Salon installs (sewn, bonded): More seamless (if installed well), but costly ($8,000+ for celebrity installs!), less scalp access, more commitment (26:41).
• “Convenience and flexibility really is what makes [clip-ins] a pro.” – Lacy Redway (26:05)

7. Blending & Placement Secrets for At-Home Users

• Match extension texture to own hair.
• Use enough packs for density; sometimes braid/stow away natural hair.
• Blend with tools: Use round brush for straight hair or try texture-specific options (31:14).
• Placement: Section top in a "horseshoe" shape, leave out front/temple hair to conceal clips, place pieces in the central section (32:03).

Biggest DO:

• Always blend texture and plan placement to reduce visible clips/wefts.
  Biggest DON’T:
• Don’t ignore back and sides; “You have to make sure that thing looks good 360.” – Lacy Redway (34:00)

8. Maintenance & Care

• Clip-ins should be removed before washing, stored dry, and placed in protective bags.
• Wash with standard shampoo/conditioner; handle gently (37:42).
• Styling products: Lacy likes Dove Repair, Tresemme A-list prep spray, SheaMoisture Coconut & Hibiscus line, GHD irons (38:46).
• Use styling products appropriate to (curly/straight) extension type.

9. Extensions for Hair Thinning & Hair Loss

• Not all extensions work for top-of-head thinning; hair toppers & closures with lace offer alternatives (41:50).
• “A hair closure is another way of saying a hair topper.” – Lacy Redway (42:02)
• Products like Halo (wefts on a fishing wire) offer easy, non-clip alternatives—convenient but may slip with heavy activity (43:37).

10. Expert Hacks for Secure, Seamless Fit

• Tease root and use hairspray (Tresemme A-list) for grip before placing clip-ins (45:22).
• French braids under clips can anchor them without product for sensitive scalps (46:06).

Notable Pro Tip:

• “You want to have a little grit and tackiness to the root...backcomb and I use hairspray to create the grit.” – Lacy Redway (45:43)

11. Lacy’s Dream Projects & Fun Industry Stories

• Aspirational clients: Rihanna, Beyoncé.
• Would love more creative, artistic “sculptural” hair work (47:42).
• Candid stories from Celebrity Apprentice and realities of working with both A-list and challenging stars.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Quality Over Quantity:
  “I’d rather pay to get quality versus having to buy something a few times because it’s not good.”
  — Lacy Redway, 10:22

• On Hair Extension Myths:
  “If you are going to a professional to get them installed the correct way...you are gonna be fine with extensions. But when it becomes damaging is when people abuse it by keeping them in too long...”
  — Lacy Redway, 10:51

• On Clip-ins vs. Salon Extensions:
  “You get to date extensions with clip-ins.”
  — Lacy Redway, 25:24

• On Celebrity Transparency:
  “Back in the day, hair extensions was so taboo, where it was like don’t ask, don’t tell kind of thing. Now you see entertainers like Cardi B...She has no filter. She doesn’t care.”
  — Lacy Redway, 28:40

• On Photo Shoots vs. Red Carpets:
  “There’s so much that we hide in the back. That’s why I always say people do not give red carpet hair stylists enough credit because you have to make sure that thing looks good 360.”
  — Lacy Redway, 34:00

• On Blending Clip-ins Seamlessly:
  “The number one tip to blend your extensions properly is to make sure that they match your hair texture.”
  — Lacy Redway, 30:51

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Topic | Timestamp | |---|---| | Lacy’s background, clients, and signature looks | 00:33–02:32 | | Why extensions have become normalized/mainstream | 03:00–04:00 | | Misconceptions about extensions & damage | 10:51–12:14 | | Quality, brands, and how to shop for extensions | 10:22–16:27 | | Number of packs and head size/density | 21:42–22:24 | | Clip-ins vs. salon installs (cost, pros/cons) | 24:18–27:09 | | Placement and blending for every hair type | 30:51–34:00 | | Maintenance, washing, and product picks | 37:42–39:23 | | Extensions for thinning hair/hair loss | 40:15–42:44 | | Hacks for extra security and blending | 45:22–46:53 | | Lacy’s dream hair moments and funniest job stories | 47:42–53:51 |

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Conclusion & Takeaways

• Hair extensions are more accessible, customizable, and accepted than ever before.
• Quality and proper technique are everything—bad extensions come from cheap materials and lack of care, not from extensions themselves.
• Clip-ins are a safe starting point for experimentation, and expert tricks can help anyone achieve a red carpet-quality finish.
• For hair loss and thinning, toppers and alternative systems exist, and embracing hairstyling as self-expression is encouraged.

Everything mentioned in the episode (brands, products, methods) is linked at breakingbeautypodcast.com.

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Transcript

[Carlene Higgins]

The following podcast is a dear media production. Welcome to Breaking Beauty the podcast, all about the breakthrough people, products and moments in beauty. We're your hosts, Jill Dunn and Carlene Higgins. Welcome back to Breaking Beauty podcast where we're getting all of the beauty industry's best kept secrets straight from the artists who are shaping what we see on runways from red carpets and your TikTok feeds.

[Jill Dunn]

Hey, Carlene. Well, of course I'm one of your co hosts, Jill Dunn. And alongside Carlene, we have been on this microphone for eight years and our longtime listeners probably know that we are two beauty editors turned beauty podcasters and we love chatting with the go to pros in the industry. And today's guest is the go to stylist for statement Making Hair, Lacey Redway. And Lacey is the New York based celebrity stylist. She's worked with everyone from Serena Williams and Sizza to Florence Pew. And I know that the night before we interviewed Lacy, she was working a red carpet with Michelle Williams, who we know always turns out the best looks.

[Carlene Higgins]

Lacy is also behind some of the boldest looks in magazines like Vogue and Vanity Fair. She often works backstage at New York Fashion Week as well. She worked on Christian seriano for spring 2026 doing what she calls liquid waves. And she'll often be a go to hair stylist for the Met Gala. She works with Tessa Thompson all the time. One time she did these incredible braids that were fashioned like a cowboy hat. So she can go sculptural or she can go really simple. Ella Michelle Williams as well, obsessed.

[Jill Dunn]

And yeah, love those Met Gala moments. You just never know what's gonna turn up on that red carpet. And Lacy, it's very fun. She worked with Chapel Roan recently on the Sub music video Carlene. I don't know if you saw it, but it was so epic because it's just scenes of Chapel Roan all over New York City and her hair gets progressively bigger and bigger and gets caught in like all of these parts of the New York subway system. And then like the big finale, she's laying in a fountain in Washington Square Park. Very a la Ophelia with like her long, red, curly hair, like splayed out all around her. And it's just so major. And I love that Lacy was part of it.

[Carlene Higgins]

Well, I love it when hair becomes the main character. And we know that when that happens, often there are extensions involved. And sure enough, Lacey herself, she does work with brands like Bellamy Hair Extensions when she's doing shows backstage at Fashion Week. And we know in general, that whether you're doing a big look or you're just trying to go about your everyday life, people are turning to extensions more and more, whether they're dealing with hair loss or thinning, using them to add volume to fine hair or adding length to short hair. Or maybe you have textured hair and you're trying to add some bulk or add some length that way. We're going to be diving into this topic, which is one of the most googled and misunderstood beauty topics with Lacy. All about hair extensions. Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

And I would just say Carlene. Like, back in the 90s, it was just so evident if somebody was wearing hair extensions. But now it's like, it is so seamless and people are so good at even doing their own extensions or toppers or what have you at home. Like, it's just become so part of the lexicon. It's like, is she or isn't she? Like, I was down a rabbit hole yesterday about Amal Clooney, who we already know has great hair, Right. But this particular person was like, pointing out how her hair has changed from when she was young to her wedding day to now. And it's like, damn. I do think she is wearing some pieces from Fullness and like, good honor, you know?

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah, absolutely. So if you have questions, maybe you are wearing extensions, maybe you've been thinking about it. We're going to be answering all of those burning questions today, starting with Hair Extensions 101. How to use them safely without damaging your scalp or your natural hair. How many extensions you actually need for a full look? Yes, there is a formula how to blend clip ins naturally, whether your hair is straight, wavy, or curly. We're covering all of that in today's episode.

[Jill Dunn]

I personally just didn't even know where to start. So I found Lacey's expertise very helpful. I've always been curious, but it's just like, how do you know you're going to get what you pay for and all of that stuff. So Lacey's going to share some of her fall 2025 hair trends as well, and she's going to share how we can steal some of those red carpet level glam secrets for at home. I know there's so many holiday parties coming up and whatnot, so we ask her about that. And because Lacy is always working with top cele webs, we're going to get really specific about her favorite products and hacks and why she believes Bellamy's new textured clip in extensions are a total game changer for all hair types.

[Carlene Higgins]

Everything we mentioned in this episode we'll link to over on our [e-mail] and be sure to subscribe and watch the episode on our YouTube channel as well. Here she is, Lacey Redway.

[Lacey Redway]

Save me.

[Jill Dunn]

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[Lacey Redway]

And I'm Sabrina Jalese.

[Jill Dunn]

And this is good enough.

[Lacey Redway]

It's a different kind of parenting podcast.

[Carlene Higgins]

Where we share tips, we talk to.

[Jill Dunn]

Our coolest parent friends.

[Carlene Higgins]

Only the coolest. And we roast trends. What do we do in general?

[Jill Dunn]

We talk shit.

[Carlene Higgins]

We talk major shit. Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

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[Lacey Redway]

Yeah, watch out.

[Carlene Higgins]

Wait, but we want her as a guest. Oh.

[Lacey Redway]

So watch.

[Carlene Higgins]

Watch out for our invite girl.

[Jill Dunn]

New episodes every Wednesday. And don't forget to subscribe.

[Carlene Higgins]

Welcome to Breaking Beauty Podcast. We're so happy to be here with Lacy Redway, the one and only.

[Jill Dunn]

Woohoo.

[Lacey Redway]

I'm so excited to be here. Thank you guys for having me. Like, this is really exciting. Like, some of my favorite people have been on your show. So it's an honor to be here with.

[Jill Dunn]

Thank you. We're thrilled to talk to you today. We know we're going to talk a lot today about hair extensions and just like, how transformative they can be. They play a huge part in what you do. I'm sure even if you're not using them on set, they're in your suitcase. Oh, yeah, they. You don't leave home without them kind of thing. So what's your approach when prepping a client with extensions for a big moment? Are you like, come see me before let's get these sewn in or are you taping them in? Like, what are your.

[Lacey Redway]

What's your approach? That's a great question. Because there are so many different types of extensions typically on set, I don't get the luxury of doing like long extensions, like any of the K tips or the, any of the, like, bonding extensions besides a glue, you know, adhesive on set. But it's important for me to stock my kit with quality extensions more than anything, especially because working with high profile people, you want high quality things in your kit. So, you know, working with Bellamy has been a dream because they are a company that professionals trust.

[Jill Dunn]

Right.

[Lacey Redway]

You know, and I've been using them and I was so excited when they launch a texture collection because.

[Jill Dunn]

Brilliant.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah. It allows me now to expand on what I can offer to my client. It's not that other brands don't have textured extensions, but I find that if you don't really invest in the quality. Yeah, they shed, they tingle. I've found that a lot. There's tons of companies that are like, on the TikTok shop that I see like, pop up on my when I'm scrolling and they're offering so many different textures or so many different things. But. And it's cheap. But when you get them, they're shedding. They don't last for a long time. They don't. Yes. Sometimes they don't blend. For me, I rather pay to get quality versus having to buy something a few times, you know, because it's not good. Right.

[Jill Dunn]

Incredible.

[Carlene Higgins]

What's one of the biggest myths that you hear about hair extensions and what's the real story?

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah. So the myth that I hear about them and two things can be true. There are people that think that hair extensions damage your hair right now, the people that the damage comes from when you are not taking care of them properly. So if you are going to a professional to get them installed the correct way, if you are doing the recommended things at home that were suggested to you by the stylist and how to upkeep them, you are gonna be fine with extensions. But when it becomes damaging is when people abuse it by keeping them in too long. Like putting your hair too tight in a style that you can create tension, then that creates breakage or double processing on top of the extensions. Maybe getting a chemical service and a color service. Those things are damaging. So I think when extensions are put in the correct way and handled in the correct way, they are great. They can do the things that you're saying. They can offer both length and volume for someone that wants to. Either even if it's a vanity thing or it's something that you need because you know, your hair staining and hair loss, you know, it, it just, it's, it's an additional thing that just makes you feel better about yourself. So I think they're great.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

And the people that are doing them at home, because Bellamy has the ones you can clip in yourself, right?

[Lacey Redway]

Yes. Which is the texture collection are all clip ins, which is. Yeah, that's amazing because like I. The textures that I've seen on the market, I, you know, I've always had to like go home and like sew on my own clips. So it's like the convenience is amazing.

[Jill Dunn]

Right. So would say that, what do you, what would you say is the best way to keep your hair healthy while using clip ins?

[Lacey Redway]

Well, clip ins can be put in so many different ways. But what I love about them is they're a temporary thing.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

So if I want to like fill out my hair for an event, I put in the, the extensions. But at home I could take them back out. I can pop them back out. Cuz they're so easy to pop in and out of your head. And then you can wash your hair normally how you would. Yeah. So I wouldn't recommend you keeping them in to like wash your hair.

[Carlene Higgins]

Right.

[Lacey Redway]

So that's how you would a. Keep them nice and tidy and clean. And also you want to like, keep them when you're not using them. You want to keep them in like something protective to make sure that they last long. Especially if you're going to invest in quality extensions. Right. You know, so I would recommend like.

[Jill Dunn]

So don't throw them in a drawer.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah, don't just throw them in a drawer. No, no, you definitely want a little like drawstring bag. Like maybe like, you know, sometimes when you get shoes, like there's a. There's like a dust bag or like a handbag. Dust. Yeah, you can get that. And they have stuff like that like.

[Carlene Higgins]

On Amazon or anywhere now, like it's satin or something.

[Lacey Redway]

Exactly. Satin is great.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah, yeah. And let's start at the beginning, though. So if somebody has. It's obviously different depending on what you want, whether you want length, volume, you have curls. What's the first thing to consider when you're choosing or recommending extensions?

[Lacey Redway]

The first thing that I consider is what is the desired style that someone wants. Yeah, I also consider like your needs. And before, before I push my recommendation, because I would consider your hair texture because I think it's important to be able to have extensions that blends with your hair properly. However, there are styles of extensions that you can put in your hair that none of your hair is left out. And, you know, maybe you guys wouldn't have experience doing that, but like for myself and growing up and just also people with textured hair, like we do preten protective styles all the time with extensions where mostly or all of our hair is put away so that. So you can interchange the different textures. You don't have to go with a texture that's specific to your hair type.

[Carlene Higgins]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

If that is the method you choose. But I would definitely consider if you're gonna have them like a clip in. In between your hair, you wanna choose a texture that is close to your hair type.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

So that's the starting point.

[Lacey Redway]

That is a starting point.

[Jill Dunn]

Choosing the texture. Okay.

[Carlene Higgins]

Okay.

[Jill Dunn]

And this might be a dumb question, but are all questions all of the Bellamy hair extensions real hair?

[Lacey Redway]

Yes.

[Jill Dunn]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

All of the Bellamy extensions is real human hair.

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah. Okay. Because I feel like some girls are.

[Lacey Redway]

Going on Amazon gave us the hair. But yeah.

[Carlene Higgins]

Okay, that's perfect to know because there's probably a big difference in cost as well.

[Jill Dunn]

Yes.

[Lacey Redway]

And that's the thing. Because a lot of the brands you know that are online, that are easily accessible on. On, you know, like a beauty supply.

[Carlene Higgins]

Shop or an Amazon.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah, like a beauty supply shop or Amazon. A lot of it is mixed with different fibers that can mimic what human hair would do, but it's really not human hair. And that's why you start to see the shedding and the tangling. Right. You know, once you start actually working with it.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

Because it's not.

[Carlene Higgins]

What are you looking for in a label? Should it. Does it normally just say 100 human hair?

[Lacey Redway]

Yes.

[Carlene Higgins]

Other word for it?

[Lacey Redway]

Yes, yes, there has been Remy. But there's so much just like the organic market where things are like, oh, this is organic whatever. And there's rules and regulation of how much percentage of something. It's same in the hair industry. There's people still frauding us saying things.

[Jill Dunn]

Are 100% human hair.

[Carlene Higgins]

It may not be or 100% human.

[Lacey Redway]

But that's why it's great to go with a reputable brand that you know that you trust. Because consistency is really important. Especially like someone like me that works in such high stake environments. Like there's no room for error. Like my clients are not trying to hear that I tried a new extension brand premiere day and it tangled and it like created a rat nest in the back of their head. They're not trying to hear that.

[Carlene Higgins]

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[Lacey Redway]

Okay, that's a great question, and I hate to say it, but it definitely depends on the size of your head.

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

How much you eventually need the measuring.

[Jill Dunn]

Jamie, I have a huge head, so.

[Lacey Redway]

I'm gonna need a lot. You might need a couple packs, but no, generally speaking, people typically go with one to two packs. That typically can fulfill the duty.

[Jill Dunn]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

Cause I think it's. I think it's either seven to nine pieces in a pack. If you're just trying to create volume, I think one pack is sufficient. But if you're extending your hair, like, if you wanted to, like, have 30 inch extensions, I would suggest two to three packs.

[Carlene Higgins]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

But you can also, for those that, like, your density is much thicker than hers.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

So I would suggest if you were someone that were trying to fill out your hair with length, I would suggest that you might want to consider braiding the underneath layer of your hair, like, in just two little braids and, like, crisscross them and pin them flat and then clip on top of that so that you can. You don't have to add so much hair in your head for it to give you the length. The length. Right. Yeah. Because then it starts to also get really big and wide.

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

And. And then you also lose, like, space to put the extensions, because you have to put them so close together for them to, like, like sit somewhere.

[Carlene Higgins]

Right.

[Lacey Redway]

So it's easier if you just remove some of the weight in your hair to add that weight.

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah. And there's a difference between, like, the extensions that you're talking about, which are probably like, what, 2 inches wide per the.

[Lacey Redway]

The extensions for the clip ins.

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah. They.

[Lacey Redway]

They vary in size. So if you Have a pack. You'll get. You'll get a few long pieces. You'll get the shorter pieces that you put at the side.

[Jill Dunn]

Yes, yes.

[Lacey Redway]

And. And then that's how you fill out your hair.

[Jill Dunn]

Right. I guess I'm thinking of a hair weft as well, which is, like, a lot. It's almost like half a wig.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

This big. Exactly. Yeah. Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

Which, like, goes around your head. Those.

[Lacey Redway]

They, like, sell by the ounces. They're like.

[Jill Dunn]

Oh, really? Oh, interesting. Okay. Because I've seen people do that, like, for a length that is. They're like putting a ponytail on top of it and then blending it in. But there's so many different ways to do it. Right. That's the thing. And it's so.

[Lacey Redway]

It's like you can get all day talking about the different versions for the.

[Carlene Higgins]

Next half an hour. I do want to ask you, because I think for somebody who maybe hasn't tried them and they're entering this world, maybe you could just help to just panning out. Like, why clip ins vs going to a professional, going to a salon, having them kind of installed, so to speak. Like, what are the benefits or the pros and cons of each?

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah.

[Carlene Higgins]

And I think what people are probably most concerned about will a cost, but also, baby seamless. Right. Because there's always that when there's great extensions happening on the red carpet or in Hollywood, people don't even know. They're like, she has great hair. They have no idea that's not her hair. But then you also see those occasional examples where, like, in the back, like, you can see the telltale signs. I think everyone wants to avoid that. So just, like, how give us. Give us the lay of the land if once.

[Lacey Redway]

Well, that is such a layered question.

[Carlene Higgins]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

To be honest, because technique is also important to be able to find undetectable extensions. Right. So not all things are created equal. Not all stylists have the same skill set, and not all clients that you send in the car are not gonna not touch their hair and not embarrass you on the red carpet.

[Jill Dunn]

Right.

[Carlene Higgins]

Or not come back in time or whatever. Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

I would say clip and extensions are low risk.

[Jill Dunn]

At home.

[Lacey Redway]

Yes, at home. Because. Because it's like, it's giving you an opportunity to preview. Like, do I really like this? You get to date extensions with clip ins.

[Jill Dunn]

Right.

[Lacey Redway]

So you're like, I don't know, Should I give them a second? And then you see if you really like it, and then you can then invest in a more permanent opportunity. It Also is another pro about them is that you can remove them. So if you're someone that suffers from headaches or like things that you don't like, or just being uncomfortable by having something so permanent in your scalp, you can remove them. Because there's certain extensions, like a sewn in extension that is a little bit more restricting because you can't get to your scalp as easily as you would with a clip in extensions to wash your hair.

[Carlene Higgins]

And maybe you want to go to the gym, so it's like you want to be able to take them out and put them in.

[Lacey Redway]

So I would say also a con for them. I mean, there aren't a ton of cons because the convenience and the flexibility really is what makes them a pro, to be honest. But I would say for those that do enjoy other forms of extensions, what I've heard from them of the. The cons is that they feel that sometimes they can, like, you know, not pull their hair as tight in a ponytail because of the clips.

[Carlene Higgins]

Right. So.

[Jill Dunn]

Right.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

And the price point difference, like in a salon versus these at home. Is it significant to do extensions or clip ins. To do. I guess to do extensions. Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah. I mean, they're. I, I feel like I just saw something online, I can't remember which celebrity it was that went to some Hollywood extension expert, and I think they're paying like at least $8,000 for extensions. Wow. And, and. And those are things that has to get redone, like every couple weeks, like three weeks to a month, sometimes eight weeks.

[Jill Dunn]

That's why it's like, pay the 10 grand for the wig sometimes.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

You know, like Cardi B, when she was on court, she was like, do you know how many times she's like, my forehead is ripped. All these y was raw from all the wigs she had to wear to court. And I was like, each wig is probably 10 grand that she's wearing.

[Lacey Redway]

I mean, listen, there have been. There's so many great wig ologists.

[Jill Dunn]

Yes.

[Lacey Redway]

You know, nowadays that can like, really turn out a cheap wig by, you know, the things that they. The customization, you know, that they do at home. Wizards. Wig wizards. Yes. They're like tweezing hairlines. They're like, I mean, Cardi's, you know, person. I.

[Jill Dunn]

Is it Tokyo? Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

Right. Yeah. He's pretty great. You know, he does good work on her. Yeah. You know, it keeps it exciting.

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Carlene Higgins]

She had the lawyers guessing, weren't you? I know.

[Lacey Redway]

I mean, was that appropriate, though, asking her, is that your hair?

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

No.

[Jill Dunn]

That was like, extremely inappropriate. Extremely inappropriate. I love her so much.

[Carlene Higgins]

Movie wasn't called on it.

[Lacey Redway]

Well, from what.

[Carlene Higgins]

From the clip I saw anyway.

[Lacey Redway]

But I love her use of hair extensions as an accessory where it's like, yes, you obviously know this is not my hair because one day it's brunette, the next day it's blonde and long. And then so. But she's using it as accessory. And I think, I think that's the conversation, that that's the way we need to look at it. I feel like back in the day, hair extensions was so taboo, where it was like don't ask, don't tell kind of thing. Where it's like, you know, something is different and looks fabulous, but you don't really hear of like people being transparent about what's going on.

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

So I love watching entertainers like Cardi B. Cause she has no filter. She doesn't care. She'll go on live and remove her wig with you on live. So she really is a great person of this time because she's so open about it.

[Jill Dunn]

And I think, I think you make a good point too about how hair extensions have changed the game. Like, we interviewed Chris McMillan not long ago and he was talking about how like in the 90s, you had to work magic and even if hair was wrecked to make it look really good. And then he was like. And then I discovered hair extensions and nothing mattered anymore. You know what I mean? Thanks to extensions.

[Lacey Redway]

And I mean, extensions are also great for us stylists that work red carpet because, you know, they're. There's award season coming up and sometimes having the extensions like blended into your hair just makes the style last longer. Yeah, we use it also for that purpose.

[Carlene Higgins]

Which one of our.

[Jill Dunn]

Okay, so like, it's gonna stand up under the lights.

[Lacey Redway]

Exactly. Under the heat in California. Yeah.

[Carlene Higgins]

Or like if somebody's doing a three day Venice.

[Lacey Redway]

Exactly.

[Carlene Higgins]

Film fest or whatever.

[Lacey Redway]

Yes.

[Carlene Higgins]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

That's, that's where it's like your hair would fall quicker if it were on its own. But having an extension mixed in.

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

The style lasts longer.

[Carlene Higgins]

Right.

[Jill Dunn]

It's like a little foundational prop support.

[Lacey Redway]

Exactly.

[Carlene Higgins]

So I'm totally with you. And I love, I love this era. I mean, we, Jill and I are already here because this is what we do for a living. We're always. I'm always talking about my blepharoplasty or what, you know, I'm an open book. And I love that celebrities are starting to get this wave. And Kylie with her boob job.

[Lacey Redway]

I know. And Didn't Chris Jenner just do a cover and she revealed that she did get the facelift. We were, like, speculating, but she revealed it now.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah, exactly. So I love this. This era of just being more open and not trying to pretend they were just born this way. But having said that, I think we still don't want to have. We don't want to have the telltale signs of extensions. We want them to look as natural as possible, even if it is sort of avant garde or an everyday look. So let's get some of your tips for people using clip ins at home. What's the number one tip for blending them naturally? And what's like a big do or a don't?

[Lacey Redway]

Okay, so the number one tip to blend your extensions properly is to make sure that they match your hair texture.

[Jill Dunn]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

You also want to make sure that you have the right amount of extensions to fit the density of hair that's on your head. So if you're not removing some of the weight by, like, maybe braiding it down, you want to make sure that you have enough hair that you've ordered. So you want to get at least two to three packs recommended. And then, you know, you want to make sure it blends. For straight hair. If you're wearing, like, straight extensions, and I would recommend that you get, like, a round brush and you. You brush it into you, you know, to blend extensions, Right? Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

And. And Bellamy has this blowout texture that's looks really great. Like, it looks like someone with textured hair that, like, relaxed, textured hair that's just blown out or if you had your 4C curls blown out. So it's. It's a great texture to, you know, to blend.

[Jill Dunn]

Smart.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah. When get a break from wearing your hair tightly curled or coiled, you can wear this blowout texture to have a different look.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah. What about placement? Are there any, like, little tricks or anything we need to know?

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah. So placement. I typically recommend that if you are doing something where some of your hair is out, I would do a horseshoe at the top of your head. Like, you know, section like a horseshoe. And then sort of take, you know, wrap that away. Then also section out your hairline from probably your temples.

[Carlene Higgins]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

And then going back around your head and leave that out. And the reason you leave those out is to blend your hair with the extension. And then what's left over in the middle is where I would start adding the extensions so that you don't get too close to your hairline where it doesn't blend. And then and when you let your hair down, we're not having the exposure of the extension. So that's why the horseshoe is important. And you can also like part out more than a horseshoe. You can, you know, it depends how full you want it or how much length you're trying to create. You can also just section out the crown of your head.

[Carlene Higgins]

Right.

[Lacey Redway]

To really make sure that they're undetectable.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah, got it. And is there a way of like keeping them flat or anything like that?

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah, they're pretty flat. The Bellamy ones are pretty flat, I will say. But you know, bulk. So like if you were someone that were braiding your hair, you want to make sure the braid is flat or the bulk lives at the nape because that's where you can hide the most error.

[Jill Dunn]

Right.

[Lacey Redway]

But if you have really short hair, like let's say you had. You got a haircut but you decided to, you know. Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

You're like, oh, I went for the Emma Stone look.

[Lacey Redway]

Now I regret it.

[Carlene Higgins]

Exactly.

[Lacey Redway]

And you want to add extensions. You want to make sure that you are adding them far up enough where they are blending.

[Carlene Higgins]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

And you know, you have, you know, as least hair to work with as you can. I. I did that answer your question?

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah, I'm thinking of that quote where it's like what my hair looks. Looks like from the back is none of my business. Like, you know what I'm talking about. Cuz like so many girls will just be like, you know, obsessed, like putting it in front. This is what it looks like for the selfie. But then it's like a fraking mess in the back. That must be your nightmare.

[Lacey Redway]

Well, you know, that's the thing where people don't realize on photo shoots. Right. Because it's like, like there's so much that we hide in the back. Cuz it's not, you know, that's why I always like people do not give red carpet hair stylist enough credit because you have to make sure that thing looks good. 360. Okay. On a, on a photo shoot, like people that you all, you know, it just needs to look good from the front.

[Carlene Higgins]

A lot of cheats.

[Lacey Redway]

A lot of cheats. Yeah. There's a lot of clips that we hide in the back. There's a lot, you know, we could like pin a wig in the back. No one knows.

[Jill Dunn]

And there's Photoshop shop too and photo and you know.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah, there's Photoshops, you know.

[Carlene Higgins]

True. So I love that you've got to deal with the. Sometimes it's like Rain or. Yeah, you know, exactly. Humidity.

[Lacey Redway]

Exactly.

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[Jill Dunn]

So if you're getting a professional install, how often should you your extensions be refreshed, tightened, removed to keep your scalp hydra health paramount?

[Lacey Redway]

That's a great question. You know, again, it really depends on what type of install you're doing. Yeah, but I would not recommend keeping any extension in for more than four to six weeks because I feel like you need to really be able to get to your scalp and really be able to care for your hair and make sure that you don't have product Buildup that can eventually cause damage. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Carlene Higgins]

I want to ask about, about the clip ins or sew ins. But you talked about preventing them from getting tangly, like keeping them, you know, keeping them safe, maybe in a little pouch when, like, should you wash them or is there any sort of other treatment that we need to know for maintenance?

[Lacey Redway]

Yes, that's a great question. We definitely. If. If you're someone that adds a lot of product in your hair when styling, you definitely want to wash them. So I would suggest, you know, tying them together in like a hair tie.

[Carlene Higgins]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

And then the way that you wash them is you're kind of massaging them versus, like, really getting in there and like, you know, like scrubbing. Yeah, you want to kind of like gently massage them down. And you would shampoo them, though, the similar to how you do your own hair with, you know, shampoo and conditioner. And then you would lay them flat, like maybe on a towel to dry properly.

[Carlene Higgins]

Right.

[Lacey Redway]

Because you do not want to put wet hair back in the bag because that. That will smell.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

So you want to lay them out to dry them, you know, flat. Product wise, you can use when you're styling them, you could use the same styling products you would when you're styling your hair. So if it's curly product, if it's curly extensions, you want to use, you know, curl products to do so.

[Jill Dunn]

Okay.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah, yeah. What are a few of your favorites? Sorry. To start it. Sorry.

[Lacey Redway]

To my favorite curl products.

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah.

[Carlene Higgins]

And like, what would. What you like to cleanse them with?

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah, yeah. So I use, I use Dove Repair shampoo and conditioner a lot, but I interchange. It depends on extensions too. Like, I interchange. I also use, like, styling wise, I use Tresemme, a list collection. Like, there's this prep spray that I've been like, using to prep the extensions before because it really just helps the cuticles, like, lay flat and smooth, you know, I also use SheaMoisture has a lot of curl products that I love. The coconut and Hibiscus line is like, one of my favorite collections that they have. And I also love their edge control. So, like, whenever I put, put this, you know, extensions in, I also use that.

[Jill Dunn]

Okay. Incredible.

[Carlene Higgins]

The final touches.

[Jill Dunn]

Yes.

[Lacey Redway]

I don't, I don't necessarily. Unless I'm like, curling straight extensions. I don't put hairspray on curly ones.

[Jill Dunn]

Right, okay.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

Do you use a particular curling iron? Do you have a different curling iron for extensions that you prefer versus I.

[Lacey Redway]

I just have a lot of curling irons. So it depends on the style I'm trying to create. Like, if I'm doing really tight curl coils, I'm using, like, a really tight, tight, skinny iron. And if I'm doing, like, you know, waves or whatever, I'm using a bigger iron. But more so than the type of iron, I do prefer brands that are also consistent with iron. So I have been using a lot of the GHD ones just because I. I find that, you know, the 365 degrees that they sort of, like, mastered, it really does work for most of the things, you know, that I'm doing. So. Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah, we started the conversation talking about thinning hair and just solutions for that, because it's.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

Can be so isolating. One of our most popular episodes last year was about, you know, solutions for thinning hair. So what is in the market now specifically to not conceal. But if somebody has a lot of thinning on the top, like, you know, extension, installing an extension, there isn't necessarily. It's not gonna work.

[Carlene Higgins]

Right.

[Jill Dunn]

So. Or around the hairline, if you're. Miss. If your hairline is receding a bit, what do you do? Because it is, like, a sensitive topic, I'm sure, even amongst your clients. Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

I mean, listen, the truth is that. That, you know, a topical product is not gonna clear. You know, it's not gonna be the solution. Only you also have to do things internally in your body to help repair if you're. If your hair, nails, you know, skin is not in great shape. You know, but also, you know, there's a lot of women, and I don't think we're talking enough about this, but a lot of women are doing hair transplants as well. You know, I did another podcast with someone else, and. And, you know, she was telling me that she got a hair transplant. You know, I didn't know if I'm allowed to see another podcast, but, you know, so there. I. I think that's also. It depends how far the damage has gone. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I would. I would say there's tons of products that you can do, but you want to, like, have Biotin, you know, as a supplement that you, you know, you do. And there's. There's lots of brands, like, adding, you know, things that are aligned with. That really helps.

[Jill Dunn]

And I feel like hair toppers, which we've talked about before. Right.

[Lacey Redway]

Yes.

[Jill Dunn]

You know, do you ever use those?

[Lacey Redway]

I do. So, you know, hair toppers, hair closures, what is that? I use? So a hair closure is another way of saying A hair topper.

[Carlene Higgins]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

But it's the one that comes with a lace. Oh, I see. So some people are sewing them onto their hair like right now for. For the summer, especially with textured hair. There's been a lot of like flip over weaves that people have been doing. And they're using like either a hair topper closure. Yeah. You know, or they're just like doing wefts. And then they're like using their hairline to like flip it over back and forth. So they're. They're bang toppers. There are closure toppers with lace that you can, you know, also like if you want to add adhesive to your hairline line and. Yeah. And there are. There are tons of different toppers that you can use for thinning hair.

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah. I saw this thing on Tick Tock the other day. A girl was demonstrating it. I believe she was of East Indian descent. And she had had a receding hairline and it was almost like a giant elastic band lace.

[Lacey Redway]

Okay.

[Jill Dunn]

But that had like a hairline attached to it. And she like put it under and then she like scooched it back like you would a headband.

[Lacey Redway]

Like a halo.

[Jill Dunn]

I don't even know what it was called, but I was like, what is happening? And then she pushed it back and it was. Was like perfect hairline.

[Lacey Redway]

Wait, so it's a band at the back of the wig?

[Jill Dunn]

It was. It. She had no other hair. Like, she wasn't wearing any other hair pieces. It was just this one like thing. Thing.

[Lacey Redway]

And then she goes underneath your hair.

[Jill Dunn]

Underneath. And then she pushed it back like you would headband. And then it was like, boom, perfect.

[Lacey Redway]

I feel like there must be an elastic of some sort under back of it.

[Jill Dunn]

I'm sure. Yeah, no, it was. Yeah, she put it under and then.

[Lacey Redway]

She like popped it up.

[Jill Dunn]

But I was like, that is actually game changing.

[Carlene Higgins]

What is a halo, though? I'm looking that up now.

[Jill Dunn]

Halo is like, it's like wefts attached to a fishing wire. A fishing wire.

[Carlene Higgins]

Okay. And you can buy it like that.

[Jill Dunn]

It's like. It's kind of like a half wig, for lack of a better term. Absolutely.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

And it. But it doesn't require clips. So again, there's so many methods of extensions. It really becomes about personal choice.

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah, that's. That's like dead easy to put in.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah.

[Carlene Higgins]

The halo.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

But then.

[Carlene Higgins]

So our clip. Tell me about clip. Ins versus halo. I gotta ask.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah. So clippin versus halo. So halo. Halo can be tricky if it's not measured properly. For you, like, if you're not placing it at the right place in your head, it can slide. Yeah. So it might not be as bulletproof for people that are very active. I don't know that I would recommend a halo, but it is, again, a great quick solution for someone that is for us, busy. I mean, I've been in scenarios where I got 10 minutes to do somebody's hair, so something like a halo is convenient at that time because I just have to like, part, you know, section the hair where I want to place it and it's. It's done.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

You know, versus, like, sometimes a clip in can take a little longer.

[Carlene Higgins]

More piece.

[Lacey Redway]

It's more piece by piece. And. And it's also math where you have to like, you know, decide like, okay, where am I? Or. Yeah, right, Math. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where am I placing this?

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah, yeah. To fill it all in, I want to ask if you have any hacks for, you know, let's say it's a red carpet scenario or a real life scenario and people are moving their heads around so they might move and then there's a gap and you can see through to the root where the clip. Do you have any hacks for like, do you tease? Is there a certain type of product that you might use that might almost like fuse it together without giving you a hard look?

[Jill Dunn]

Like.

[Carlene Higgins]

Tell us about that.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah, that's a great question. Because I find that that's also what makes people frustrated about. About clip ins. Because they don't know how to actually put it on correctly.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

So you definitely want to have a little grit and tackiness to the root of your hair and the, you know, where you would want to place the extensions. So I. I do back home a little bit.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

Especially if I don't have a lot of time. You know, I back comb and I use hairspray to. To create the grit. And you want the product to dry in a little bit because if it's still too flexible, it's not gonna really lock in the clip. So you want the, you know, you want a little grip to your hair and you want to backcomb it a little bit. So you want to get a teasing comb specifically.

[Carlene Higgins]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

Because if you have a comb also with the teeth, you know, too far apart, it's not going to really give you that sort of foundation that you need to like, make sure the clip stays in place. Yeah, yeah. So you can do that or you can also, again, you can like, you know, create a loose braid, you know, also as an anchor you know, to, like, clip the braid. Clip the clip in on top of. If you don't want to use hairspray in your hair. Some people don't want the alcohol, you know, that's in the hairspray in their hair. So that's a great way. Doing like a French braid, you know, underneath and, like, making sure that it's tight enough, the weaving of the braid is tight enough where it's not still so loose, where they're, like, swimming in your head. But the weaving of the braid can happen. Act similar to what the hairspray in the back comb could do.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah. Just kind of like an insecure.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah, it's an angle.

[Carlene Higgins]

What's the hairspray is that you're always whipping out?

[Lacey Redway]

I mean, honestly, the one that I'm gonna have with me at Fashion Week, Tresemme, a list collection that's, like, my favorite right now because it's. It's lightweight enough that it doesn't, like, weigh the hair down, but I can. It's still flexible. So someone like me that a. Sometimes, you know, I gotta change the styles on the go.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

You know, shooting an editorial, you know, if I'm shooting eight page editorial, like, sometimes the hair changes three to four times, and I need a flexible hold hairspray. So that one has been, like, getting me through.

[Carlene Higgins]

Okay.

[Lacey Redway]

Incredible.

[Jill Dunn]

And finally, Lacy, what's the one hairstyle that you haven't done yet, but it's on your dream hairstyle list? Who's the client? What's the concept? Oh, my gosh. Okay, let's make this happen.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

I mean, there's so much that I haven't done that I want to do. I feel like I've done a lot of different hairstyles. It's just like, sometimes they don't get photographed. Right. And you don't put them out or, you know, stuff like that. But I would love to do. I feel like, through the pandemic and also, like, being a busy mom. When I started out my career, I was more like editorial focused specifically. And now I get to play, you know, I still get to play in editorial world. I still do, like, Vogue covers and different stuff. And then, you know, the clients that I get to work with are so creative, like Chapel Roan and Tessa Thompson. But I would love to. The people that I haven't worked with yet are also nostalgic people from my childhood. And of course, everybody would love to work with a list musicians. I haven't worked with Rihanna or Beyonce. That would be great. So, universe, make that happen. But style wise. Yeah, I would just love to start getting back to a career, creative space, you know, to like, really, you know, do like, the art, you know, like, really make the art happen. Because I. I find that, you know, a little of the art is, you know, being lost in translation in the industry because everything is still commercialized. So I love creating things that are out of this box. Like, I would love to take the plant behind you and create a, you know, or next to us and create a cool sculptural hairstyle with.

[Carlene Higgins]

That's amazing.

[Jill Dunn]

I love that. That's so great. Well, I can't wait to see what you come up with at fashion Week and Tiff and everything else that you have coming up. Do you ever work with reality stars? Like, did you do Paige's hair for the Tresemme commercial?

[Lacey Redway]

Paige desorbo. I do Paige's hair. We were supposed to do an editorial together, but I can't remember what happened because I think schedules just got crossed. But I have worked with reality folks before.

[Jill Dunn]

Love Island Girlies or.

[Lacey Redway]

No, not yet.

[Carlene Higgins]

Not yet.

[Lacey Redway]

But I see them on the scene. They're like, they're like, big deal right now.

[Jill Dunn]

Yes.

[Lacey Redway]

Earlier in my career, I've worked with some reality stars. Like, one of my claim to fame is that I worked. Which it's hilarious now. Cause I'm making fun of it, but I worked on Celebrity Apprentice.

[Jill Dunn]

Oh, my God.

[Lacey Redway]

Yes.

[Carlene Higgins]

That is a blast from the past.

[Lacey Redway]

Oh, yeah. I worked on Celebrity Apprentice early in my career. You know, back when our now president of United States was. Was just. It was a businessman and a reality star.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jill Dunn]

Money, money, money, money.

[Lacey Redway]

So I worked on that show.

[Jill Dunn]

Did you work with anybody in particular?

[Lacey Redway]

I did, but it wasn't a great experience. So I don't know if I should name drop. I don't. It's not like me. Cause you know, I'm a girl of discretion.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yes.

[Lacey Redway]

But I will say that reality star that I worked with on that show, and, you know, I'm sure people can do research, maybe they'll find out. But, you know, at the time. And I've learned along the way in this industry that sometimes when things don't go your way, it has nothing to do with you. So, you know, and you can't internalize every bad experience as like something you did wrong.

[Carlene Higgins]

That's right.

[Lacey Redway]

You know, so.

[Jill Dunn]

And that's on growth.

[Lacey Redway]

And. And that's on growth. Yes.

[Jill Dunn]

Because when you're a young aspiring artist, you're just like, ah, you can take those things so to heart, you know.

[Lacey Redway]

So bent out of shape for the smallest things. But, you know, this particular person really wanted their own personal hair and makeup person to be used for the show. But I was a production hire, so they were having this fight with production that no other. There was New York City. There's no hair and makeup people in New York City that can get them done. Right. You know, so when I came in, they already didn't, like, there was already good vibes, kind of bad vibes, because they needed to prove a point.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

So it wasn't even about how many.

[Jill Dunn]

Seasons did you work on that show?

[Lacey Redway]

I, like, was worked. That's a good point. Cause it wasn't the same people every season. I think I might have done two to three seasons, actually. And I've had great. I've had great experiences and then. But that one particular season wasn't my best work.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah. You know, and I've also worked with, like, you know, different reality. Like, I remember working with this other reality star where they had this, like, nickname. Famous nickname. But, you know, when they came on set, we were told that we couldn't call them by the Nick, you know, their nickname.

[Jill Dunn]

And.

[Lacey Redway]

And then they were, like, kind of disrespectful for the whole crew that the magazine put together. Like, you know, I did their hair and then they, like, criticized it, and it was like, I could have done that in, like, you know, 10 minutes. And then they were so disrespectful to the stylist who had pulled all this amazing clothes where they just, like, then brought, like, some mall thing that they, you know, whatever. So it's just like, that's. That's. That's my only gripe where it's like. Like, the people that are the most famous can be the nicest, actually.

[Carlene Higgins]

Always.

[Lacey Redway]

And it's. And. And then you meet, like, the people that are, like, you should be so grateful these people are offering you this, and they are the ones that give you the most challenge.

[Carlene Higgins]

Yeah. And we've talked about this before, too. Having worked at a fashion magazine and trying to wrangle cover stars.

[Lacey Redway]

Yes.

[Carlene Higgins]

Is that the higher. The more a list they are, the more seamless it tends to be, ironically. And the C Listers are the most. The hardest people to work with.

[Lacey Redway]

For sure. For sure.

[Carlene Higgins]

And, yeah. It's like, well, maybe you're going to stay there then, because people want to work with people they like.

[Lacey Redway]

People want to work with nice people. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

[Jill Dunn]

It's so good. Well, thank you for the tea oh my God.

[Lacey Redway]

Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Jill Dunn]

It's been so great to meet you and chat with you.

[Lacey Redway]

We're done.

[Jill Dunn]

We have to be done.

[Lacey Redway]

Oh, my God.

[Jill Dunn]

Cuz we're running out of studio time, unfortunately.

[Lacey Redway]

This is like such a thrill.

[Jill Dunn]

We could be here all day talking. We did. We barely scratched the surface.

[Lacey Redway]

Seriously. That means I have to come back.

[Jill Dunn]

Welcome back. You're welcome.

[Carlene Higgins]

You've got. You've got it all.

[Jill Dunn]

Yeah. And everything that we talked about today that Lacy talked about, we will link to it over on our website, which is Breaking Beauty podcast dot com. If you're listening to this episode, you got to watch it on YouTube because Lacy, you got to see how gorgeous Lacy is. And it's been a thrill. Thrilled to have you. Thank you so much.

[Lacey Redway]

It's been amazing. Thank you so much for having me.

[Carlene Higgins]

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[Jill Dunn]

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