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How-To Transition To Your Spring Skincare Routine Like a Dermatologist featuring Dr. Dendy Engelman
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Jill Dunn
The following podcast is a dear media production.
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Carlene Higgins
Welcome to Breaking Beauty, the podcast.
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Jill Dunn
All about the breakthrough people, products, and moments in beauty.
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Carlene Higgins
We're your hosts, Jill Dunn and Carlene Higgins.
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Jill Dunn
Welcome back to Breaking Beauty Podcast, everyone. It's officially spring and we're here in your feeds like we are every Wednesday. Our podcast is officially 8 years old. Hooray.
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Carlene Higgins
Carlene, you and I were just in Austin together for the I Heart Podcast Awards, and even though we did not take home the hardware, it was an honor to be nominated.
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Jill Dunn
And congrats to Brooke Devard. She won in our category. We love Brooke. She's been on our show before. Our host of Naked Beauty.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah. And it's just interesting. You and I were talking about how podcasts are, like, bigger than ever. It seems like we went to the after party and it was just like so many cool indie creators making living off of podcasting and big celebrity names there too, making a living from podcasting. And it's just, like, fun to be part of this community that we have been for eight years. And we could have never really imagined that we'd be doing this eight years later and doing it every week, but we're so grateful.
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Jill Dunn
Absolutely. And I feel like just podcasts are like a new one is launching every week from a big personality as well. Like, this is the trend, right?
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Carlene Higgins
Like, obviously, yeah, Amy Poard, Chrissy Tegan. And we kind of thought we saw that wave happen. You and I definitely were around for that, the celebrity podcasting era. But it's bigger and better than ever. And we're still here.
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Jill Dunn
We're doing it, happy to be a part of it. And for anyone new here, we're two beauty editors turned beauty podcasters sharing the breakthrough people, products and moments in beauty. And I hope you caught our spring 2025 damn good episode last week that that's where we put so many new products to the test. Those have become our most popular episodes. We do them once a month, actually. We try a lot of products. We don't mention anything mediocre. It's got to really make the grade with us and be like news breaking and perform. So definitely check that out in case you missed it. And I believe the Sephora spring savings event is just around the Corner starting on April 4th. So if you need ideas, you can shop that episode right from our website @breaking beauty podcast.com.
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Carlene Higgins
And today's episode is for all of our skincare obsessed friends listening. The topic of the hour is how to transition your skin care to spring like a dermatologist does. With Dr. Dendy Engelman. She's a board certified dermatologist and Mo's surgeon practicing at Schaer Clinic, Fifth Avenue in Manhattan.
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Jill Dunn
Yes. And this is Dr. Engelman's sophomore appearance on our show. We'll link to our first episode in our show notes and in our episode recap. And she's just so knowledgeable, we could honestly have her on time and time again. She's been featured on shows like the View, the Today show, and in publications like glamour, Marie Claire, InStyle, and she's co authored numerous textbook chapters in dermatology and been published regularly in peer reviewed journals. She's just a total pro.
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Carlene Higgins
She's doing the absolute most. I mean, she specialized in completing a fellowship in Mohs micrographic surgery. It's such a highly specialized skill to be able to do those, you know, cancer surgeries. I think she's done over 10,000 of them.
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Jill Dunn
Wow.
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Carlene Higgins
And she's also highly trained in cosmetic dermatology. I mean, she's always the first derm out there talking about, I feel like, new ways to use filler, new ways to use neuromodulators. And she's just a girl's girl too. You know, she's from the south and she's still embracing those roots. And I love that about her.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah, the fact that she's an expert, but she really stays on top of the latest trends and techniques and all of that just makes her the perfect guest for our show. So we quiz Dr. Dendy on how to get your spring skincare routine on lock. From ingredients that don't play nicely together to layering secrets and what to look for in an SPF. Plus, Dr. Engelman shares the skin care products she uses herself like her favorite moisturizer of the moment.
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Carlene Higgins
We also ask her about the beauty headlines of the moment. So products and treatments, you know, everything from salmon sperm facials that she does in her practice to K beauty inspired spicule serums. Like, are those safe to be using at home? And we also ask her why it seems like every dermatologist is obsessed with DNA repair enzymes in skincare right now. So are those worth the hype? And we also learn about the innovative way she's treating the lines on her own neck.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah, she's her own guinea pig. Love it. So head on over to our YouTube page at breaking Beauty podcast and subscribe for free to watch this conversation with Dr. Dendy. And every single product we discuss, we will link to over on our website@breaking.
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Carlene Higgins
Beautypodcast.Com and we also have our monthly faves newsletter that's dropping tomorrow. So if you have not subscribed to our newsletter yet, please do. We've linked that in the Show Notes. We're going to be sharing some of our Sephora savings picks. We share directory faves like where we're going to get our hair done, our nails done, everything did. And please subscribe so we can keep sharing our favorites with you. So without further ado, welcome back to the podcast. Dr. Dendy Engelman newly is one of our show partners this week. So Newly is a subscription clothing rental service that I got to check out and I was really impressed because for just 98amonth you get your choice have any six styles to choose from. There's access to thousands of styles from more than 400 brands. Brands like Madewell, Levi's, Hill House Home. They even have one of a kind vintage pieces at Newly and they have inclusive sizing up to 5x as well as petite and maternity. And there's fast free shipping and returns and professional cleaning in Newly state of the art laundering facilities so you don't even have to worry about laundry. Plus they have the option to buy what you love at a discount. And I really love that I get to be creative with my wardrobe and not commit to it frankly. So I got to try a lot of different pieces from brands that maybe I wouldn't normally buy like free people. I got this like butter yellow button down. I got a really cute short dress from Hill House Home and I am really enjoying just exploring style for the new season without that commitment. It's also flexible. There's no fees, late fees, damage fees or fees to pause or cancel. So it's no big deal if you lose a button, spill something or you just to take a break and it's sustainable. New lease orders are shipped in recycled, recyclable and reusable totes with no plastic packaging. Nuuly is a great value at 98amonth for any six styles. But right now you can get 28 off your first month of Nuuly when you sign up with the code Beauty just go to Nuuly.com that's N U-U-L-Y.com that's Nuuly with two U's and enter the code Beauty and sign up to get 28 off your first month. That's n u u l y.com newly with to use and use Code Beauty Newly Subscription Clothing Rental Change your clothes. We'll link to this offer in our show notes and on our website. Now back to the show.
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Sif Heider
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Carlene Higgins
Welcome back to breaking beauty podcast. Dr. Dandy Engelman. Now, we just discussed off mic that some people call you Dr. Dendy, some people call you Dr. Engelman. Do you have a preference?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
I mean, you can call me whatever you like. You can also just call me Dindy if you want, but my Instagram is @Doctor Dendy, which kind of started as a joke because we always, you know, used to talk about in medical school, if. If there were someone who was, you know, doing something that wasn't necessarily medical, but they called themselves doctor. It was always Doctor first name.
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Carlene Higgins
Right.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
So Dendi is a. Is my grandmother's last name, but it's my first name. So it's kind of started as a joke to me when I made my handle.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah, okay.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
But it's easier. A lot of patients just default to it.
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Carlene Higgins
Well, it's really great to catch up with you again. It's been a minute. And actually, the last time I saw you, I was at a wonderful rooftop party at the Shaffer Clinic and where you pract. I think that was like summer of 2023, and, like, Dorinda was there, and we were. I was like, dude, this is the best dermatology practice in the city. Apparently. Rooftop parties.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
I know that private terrace is great. I'm very lucky to work there. And we love. We love spring and summer parties. Yeah, you're welcome anytime.
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Carlene Higgins
Do you often do that?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
We do them a lot when the weather's nice. We'll do probably once a month, either different brands host there, or we'll have one just for Shaffer Clinic and invite our, you know, VIPs. And it's just special. I mean, obviously post Covid, it was, like, tough to figure out how to gather people, but it was outside, which was nice and private to the. To our office. So it became a hot spot.
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Carlene Higgins
Okay.
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Jill Dunn
Okay. Well, we will be there next time.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah, anytime.
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Jill Dunn
Speaking of which, the Weather is warming up. And so we want to talk to you today about transitioning from your winter skincare routine to your spring routine. What products should you break up with and which products should you embrace?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Well, you know, I, I always tell my patients we're going to stop a vitamin A derivative, a retinol or retinoid in the summer. We do know that those anti aging ingredients in the vitamin A derivatives are wonderful for helping with fine lines, wrinkles, pore size, all the hyperpigmentation, skin tone, skin texture. But they do photosensitize you. So in the summer months, if you are going to be, you know, playing golf or tennis three times a week and really exposing your skin, then that may be one that we break up with just for the summer.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
And heavier summer fling. And then you can go back to it in the fall when we're not out in the elements as much. If you are oily or acne prone, certainly we want to stay away from thicker, more emollient creams that we may have leaned into over winter. Because I'll tell you, even my oiliest patients were really suffering over the winter. It's been a brutal one in New York, cold and dry. And so people tend to increase your emollients in the dry winter months. But as the spring and summer months come in, the ambient humidity rises and subsequently our skin doesn't need as much or thicker hydrators. So you can do more of a gel or a lotion. As far as the vehicle, certainly hyaluronic acid is a great one. We always want to make sure it's coupled with some kind of ceramide or sealant in order to keep the hydration in the skin. Because if we're just using pure ha on the skin, it can actually dehydrate the upper levels of the skin because it's taking the moisture out of your skin and putting it into the environment.
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Carlene Higgins
That phenomena fascinates me because you always think of it being this miracle plumper and then you're like, wait a minute, I look drier than ever.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Exactly.
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Jill Dunn
I'm so over here you need a sealant, you said. So what would that look like in the spring?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
So either, you know, I love, I love ceramide containing creams or capsules or, you know, one even if you just use an over the counter skin lotion.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Like cerave or cetaphil.
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Jill Dunn
Right.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Certainly will help to really lock in that moisture. And a lot of them now are formulated with multiple molecular weights of hyaluronic acid. So low and High, they tend to blend really well and not dehydrate. But you know, when we are coming around with like individual ingredients in, in certain containers that often could be one of the more dehydrating of skus. So we want to make sure that we're, we're leaning into ones that aren't undoing what we're trying to do, which is hydrate the skin.
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Carlene Higgins
Right. Do you have a favorite hyaluronic acid ser that you think is legit for sh.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yes. I mean, I love Neutrogena's Hydro Boost. I think that's a really great one. I think it's great for those who. I feel like my oily and acne prone patients feel like they can't use moisturizers. That's a great one. That feels really lightweight and it's non comedogenic, but it also is at a great price point. I do love the Elizabeth Arden hyaluronic acid capsules. I think they're great. Those are coupled with ceramides that are bioidentical with the skin. So they really help to lift and plump but also seal in that hydration.
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Carlene Higgins
Right.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
And those are great for travel too. I mean, you can just put however many you're in a bag for however many days you're vacationing and you're a set in a very, you know, small container. So those are two of my favorites.
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Jill Dunn
I want to ask you about sunscreen because obviously any dermatologist will say use it all year round. Do you up the level in this in the spring or do you tend to kind of keep it the same all year round?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah, I love that question. I mean, certainly you're right. You will not hear any dermatologist who's worth his or her salt who isn't saying that it's a 365 days a year practice. And we want it just like you either put on deodorant or brush your teeth just part of your ritual. Because the amount of cumulative UV exposure is what really over time causes skin cancer and collagen breakdown and wrinkles and hyperpigmentation. So it's a long game.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
So you just have it as part of your routine and never leave him without it. That said, you know, in January, where we have like four hours of daylight, you know, you maybe want, you could lower it. I mean, certainly the American Academy of Dermatology recommends, and we as dermatologists recommend a minimum SPF of 30, which is a change from when, you know, I was younger and it was like, you know, the thought was anything above 15 is a waste. And I always thought that was funny because it's not like the price doubled when you got to a 30 or even more expensive at a 60. So it's like, like the higher the number, the better for protection. But certainly not only should I think the SPF go up when we're gonna be in sunnier months or direct sun contact, but the reapplication is key. And so many people are like, I don't know what happened. I put it on before I left. And then you had a three hour brunch outside. And it's not actually where you're actively in the sun, playing tennis or at the beach. It's the sneaky stuff of like, I spent all day in soho shopping and I don't know how I got this. My melasma's back.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah, absolutely.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
That's because we weren't re upping our protection.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah, absolutely.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
And that's why I kind of like all of the variants of SPF now. Because you can do your skincare in the morning, then do your SPF and then your makeup might have some extra. And then I love the powder sunscreens. I think those are great for easy to have with you in your pocketbook. You can always travel with them. TSA is not going to take it, but it doesn't, you know, we're makeup girls. Like, the last thing you want to do if your face is made up is reapply sunscreen. That's a lotion. So that's a great way to like up your reapplication without wrecking your face.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah, yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
And I think it's what's better about those versus like a spray. There are like SPF sprays out there. It's just like, it's more. You're actually getting it on your face with the powder. Right. Versus the spray, which is like a bit willy nilly. I know.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
My husband loves the sprays and I think it lulls you into a false sense of security when you've got SPF, you know, 85 on you. But the coverage is not as predictable. We've all been, we've all seen those like, you know, missed areas where it's just a swath of a burn where people clearly intended to protect their whole back.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah, for sure.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
It didn't cover everywhere, so we don't want those moments. So we, you know, the more we can make sure we're getting the intended product in the intended spot, the better.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
Have any face? Daily moisturizers with spf impressed you lately?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
I mean, one of my favorites is I have two of them. One is the Aerifotona Ageless from Isden. And that's a tinted sunscreen that I really like. It's SPF 50. It's out of Barcelona. But it also has a DNA repair enzyme in it.
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Jill Dunn
Okay.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
And that helps to reverse sun damage and helps to correct some of the DNA mismatch that occurs over time when you have sustained ultraviolet radiation exposure. And in Europe, it is prescribed as a treatment for sun damage.
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Carlene Higgins
Oh, wow.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Here in the US they don't lean into the fact that it has that enzyme because then it would need to be labeled as a drug. But it is effective in reversing sun damage. So not only are you preventing it going forward, but it's an active treatment to help enhance the health of your skin. And it's beautifully done. The formula is nice. It's zinc, which we all know back from growing up. Like, the idea of, like the lifeguard with the white nose. I mean, zinc has come a long way. And this is tinted with a very beautiful universal tint. So it's not giving you that opacification that historically zinc containing sunscreens could. And so it just sits on the surface of the skin and protects, but also is having that repair mechanism as well, which is great. So I love that one. I love one called City Smart, because obviously we work here in the city and, you know, pollution is an environmental assailant that we don't think about really wreaking havoc on our skin. But pollution particles are 20 times smaller than our pore size, so it's like throwing a nickel in a basketball hoop. It's so easy to go in and penetrate deeply into the levels of the skin and then unleash free radicals, which then can cause DNA damage. So City Smart has SPF 50, and it's also zinc oxide, but it also has a pollution shield, which is like a semi permeable membrane that helps to protect the skin. It doesn't clog pores, and it's fully breathable, but it stays on until you walk, wash your face.
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Jill Dunn
Okay.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
So that helps to protect from pollution. And it also has antioxidants in it. So you're getting like a triple protection.
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Carlene Higgins
That one's from the Prevage line. Right. Provage is such a sleeper head. And I feel like back in the day it made a big splash, but then maybe it didn't. Like, you don't hear about it as much, but that antioxidant that's in it. Whatever it's called.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
The E to be known.
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Carlene Higgins
I was gonna say idobinone.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
That is really a powerful antioxidant. Especially if you, like, can't tolerate a vitamin C or something like that.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah, I love that line. I agree with you. I think that they don't toot their own horn enough sometimes because they really pioneered space about. We didn't think about pollution and how much that. I mean, there are studies that show that if you live in a highly trafficked area in an urban setting, you're 20% more prone to hyperpigmentation in the skin just where you live, not. Not controlling for, like, how much sun you get. But it was just the pollution component of it.
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Jill Dunn
Interesting. So I would have thought that would maybe just be from walking outside a lot versus being in your car from A to B. Yeah.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
But if you think about, like, some. A lot of suburban places to have, like, more outdoor activities that are open, more people, you know, here we are, we're always indoors. I mean, except for the right now for lunch or something. But it is interesting that that was one of the findings.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah, absolutely. I feel like I would need that. I always think about this when I leave from a facial downtown.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Right.
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Jill Dunn
And you're, you know, getting on the subway and you're just like, am I just reversing everything that just happened? Because. Yeah, the pollution's just going.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Well, that's a good time to put on the city shield. Because it really is like a. A mask. And we often will give patients if we've done, like, a laser resurfacing and we ask, or, how are you getting home?
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Jill Dunn
Right.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
And if they're taking the train, we'll give them a mask and then tell them to wear their sunglasses. Not to, like, be a diva and, like, not show what you've done, but more for a physical protectant.
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Jill Dunn
Absolutely.
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Carlene Higgins
Right. Designated dermatologist. Like, you're getting. People are getting home safe.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah, that's right.
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Carlene Higgins
Can we call you a car?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Exactly.
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Carlene Higgins
There's a black car waiting for you behind the scenes here. That's awesome. Okay. And what about for spring? Are there ingredients that you don't like to mix or layer together? Why or why not?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah, I mean, historically, in the dermatologic space, we obviously treat a lot of acne, and we know that benzoyl peroxide is a pesky molecule. And I would use. There is truth to the fact that when the weather warms up that you do get excess sebum production. So warmer weather does create more oil Output. That's where people will think they look shiny or greasy in warmer weather. They do. It's not just sweat, they're actually creating more oil. So when we're treating this kind of seasonally induced acne, often we love benzoyl peroxide as a prescription option for treating acne, but it doesn't play well with a lot of ingredients, in particular your retinols and vitamin C. Often you need to make sure that you're spacing away. Vitamin A and vitamin C, depending on the formulation, often may not play well together. But the good news there is it's not that you can't use them in the same day. And we typically use vitamin C in the morning and then your vitamin A derivative at night. And that's okay space wise because you've cleansed your face and they're not actively being mixed on the skin.
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Jill Dunn
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Carlene Higgins
What about stuff for hyperpigmentation? Because I think that's a big concern in the spring. Summer.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yes.
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Carlene Higgins
So is there anything? Because I think, like, there's some pretty strong treatments that are out there.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
There are. And you know, melasma in states of hyperpigmentation are difficult to treat even in the best of hands. I mean, we have great results, but it's not, it's not a one size fits all. Often, you know, it depends on the depth of the pigment, people's skin type, what medications they're on. Certainly we know that if people are on oral contraceptives, there's an increased risk of melasma when you're pregnant. It's called colasma, which is the mask of pregnancy. But in these hormonal states and fluctuations, we can see that there's more pigment deposited into the skin. So the keys to that are one, to wear sunscreen as if it is a medicine. And physical blockers are better for this because heat can stimulate it. Infrared, ambient lighting even. It's not even an ultraviolet. It's not solely ultraviolet radiation. So you think you're protected indoors, so why would you. If you were just working from home, people often wouldn't put on their sunscreen. But you actually need to be protected indoors as well. And this is interesting. It needs to be tinted because the iron oxide in tinted sunscreens actually gives more protection against hyperpigmentation than just a.
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Carlene Higgins
White or a clear zinc.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yes.
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Jill Dunn
And why is that?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
It's the way that it helps block the conversion and the stimulation of the melanocytes in the skin.
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Jill Dunn
Oh, interesting.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
So it's strange because a lot of people don't like tinted sunscreens. But in patients who have melasma, we found that if you just change to a tinted one, it actually helps to clear more readily. For active ingredients that help to lighten, you know, an easy one that's very well tolerated, that even people who are like, who are pregnant, it's a category B azelaic acid is good as a lightener. Hydroquinone in a, I would say, as prescribed by a doctor and monitored is safe, but in short bursts, we don't want to be on it consistently throughout the year. I love chemical peels and I love lasering for it, but you have to Be careful. Obviously, you can get, like, a paradoxical darkening with some of these. So you want to go to someone who, like, really manages hyperpigmented states, because it is. Can be tricky. Sometimes we have to go on oral txa in order to, like, clear it, depending how deep the pigment is. And it certainly is a Germany. I had a patch of melasma when I was a resident on my forehead. And, you know, I think we kind of forgive it when we're looking in the mirror or even, like, face to face, but it shows up so much worse in pictures. You know, people who look like they have a mustache or maybe you can cover it up, but the camera captures it so much more. And patients will come in and be like, look at me in this picture. Like, it. It reads much worse.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah. So with the hydroquinone, which you mentioned, is there a time of year that's better to do that or not? Because I know, like, peels, usually they would say there is a better time of year. So tell us about that. Seasonality, ingredients.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
So many different treatments come in and out of timing based on what the weather is giving us. So obviously, you know, right after the holidays, it tends to be like laser season until about May, or we'll do it right up before, depending on if people are traveling or where they're going for the summer. And that's not to say that there aren't people who I really trust to take care of their skin and do a peel or a major laser in the summer months. But by and large, I feel like it's just probably easier, unless they had a big event or something that they were getting ready for, to just do it when it's safest because we don't want to do any harm. And if somebody happened to be outdoors for too long after a laser and was sitting at brunch having a great time and forgot about oh, my gosh. And then they have hyperpigmentation. I only had one patient ever who, after I did, like, a CO2 resurfacing on her skin, she was not thinking. And we do get lulled into a false sense of security when we're indoors and she was working from home, but by the window. And so one side of her face just hyperpigmented in the healing because it was, like, two days past fraxel and it basically got a sunburn. Now we got her completely back to normal, but it was a little bit stressful for a bit that you've just undergone something to look better. And then we're, like, created a New problem to address for a bit. So know that in indoors by windows and in cars, we are not safe. There's still UV rays that are not filtered out and they can cause harm. So just because you're inside does not mean you don't need your supplements.
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Jill Dunn
That's happened to me in a car before for sure. And how about hydroquinone then?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
I would say if you can, I would skip it for June, July, August.
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Jill Dunn
Okay. Is there anything else when it comes to your personal routine that you would switch up come summer? Like maybe a cleanser, the way you exfoliate anything like that?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Certainly, I mean, I think that, I mean, I love wearing makeup. I'm a makeup girl. I tend to double cleanse all year round. And like, because I use more of a balm or an oil based cleanser to get do the first step and then I follow with this cleanser I love. I've used it forever. It's by a company called Epione. It's called Lytic Gel. It just feels great. It has a little bit of salicylic acid in it and AHAs. It's also like very slightly mentholated. So it kind of gives you that like clean, clean feel. But guys, guys love it. Everybody I recommend it to is like, I really like that cleanser. And cleanser is one of those things where I mean, you like it or not, but it just on your face for like 12 seconds. So it's not like you're in love, you know, you don't see tons of change, but it feels great. And it does like cleanse my skin very well. So that I need to try that. Yeah, it's great.
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Jill Dunn
And we'll link to everything on our website, guys.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
And you can also use it like as a body wash too, which is really nice. But I switch, you know, I will not use as thick of a night cream. I think that that's something that we all kind of transition into. And then for body, I feel like body's having a huge moment.
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Jill Dunn
Oh yeah.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
I mean, scalp care. Every mailer I get is for the scalp or for the body.
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Carlene Higgins
Totally.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
It's like we just discovered that we have ha. We have skin above our hairline and below our chin. You know, everybody's coming out with like either a vitamin C serum for the body or a retinol for the body, which is great. And they really do work. And I think before, you know, you weren't going to spend $100 of your tretinoin like trying to make it, you know, you would go through a tube a week. But now they're making it way more economical and also well tolerated so that you're not like red and peely and retinizing the skin of your body. I think it's a lower concentration, but those are certainly things that. That I'm way more mindful of using when I'm going to be showing more skin.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah.
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Jill Dunn
What about the decollete? Do you use like a specific product for that area or do you take your skincare all the way down?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
I do, but then I follow. I like. I like Revision's Nectar. I think that's a really good one. I think they do a great job. I also like Neck Correct by Skin Medica. I think that's a great one. They have this extract in there called Paracrys or something like that, I think, and it works on the platysmal muscles to decrease that contraction.
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Carlene Higgins
So these are the muscles that like pull your chin down.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yes.
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Carlene Higgins
Right. The vertical muscles in your neck.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
So not the horizontal from tech neck.
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Jill Dunn
Right.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
But the vertical ones that mine are so strong. I've botoxed them like seven times trying to make them lie. I look like a gila monster. But that muscle is the most superficial muscle on the body. I mean, when you're in gross anatomy, which is gross, dissecting it from the skin is virtually impossible. I mean, it's almost like they're so. It's so superficial. It's right underneath the surface of the skin. And that's what makes this kind of go. But over time, it also, the way it attaches anatomically, it's up here above onto the face. So when it starts to. As we're aging, it pulls down. So that's where the Botox, if you put it in at the base of the mandible and along these platysmal lines, it helps to like, counteract, have a.
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Carlene Higgins
Bit of a lift.
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Jill Dunn
Oh, really?
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah.
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Jill Dunn
Is this what's called. Called plasma. Oh, platismal Botox. Okay.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah, I saw that you're doing this on your. Yeah, just on your Instagram that you were doing it. You've done this on yourself then. Tell me, do you interject your own neck?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yes.
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Carlene Higgins
With Botox?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yes.
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Carlene Higgins
How do you. What, you do that in front of a mirror?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
I do it in front of a mirror. I mean, mine are very easy because they're prominent, but that's an easy, easy muscle to Botox because. Yeah, because it is so superficial. You literally. Have y'all ever gotten a ppd, like where, like when people are Testing you for tuberculosis?
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Jill Dunn
Oh, no.
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Carlene Higgins
I have no.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
It's like a little, tiny bleb under the skin when they test you and they see if it reacts or not. If you're in medicine or work in any medical facility, you have to be tested to make sure you don't have tuberculosis. So anyway, that's kind of how you inject here. It's very superficial, so it looks like. After you inject, it looks like tiny little, like, blebs under the skin just temporarily. But that is very easy to hit because you can see where it is. And then you just inject it right under the mandible or the jawline where it's going to attach onto the skin. And you will see, like, that improvement of this little pre jowl where we all. I feel like the lower face, as far as something that aesthetically people are coming in for it is all day, every day. Like, I. You know, I think we've. We've bought into. We are all on board for Botox from the cheekbones up and then, like, filler here. We get it. But this is like. Like, now the new.
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Jill Dunn
Completely agree. I also got blepharoplasty to be transparent, but I. I don't get Botox around my eyes. I'm not saying I never will, but I kind of like the lines there. I think it's very natural, and I don't find it unattractive. But what I don't like for myself is the sagging in my lower face where it starts to look like I'm sad when I'm not sad. 100 and where the. It's all just. My face is going into my neck. So I'm more interested in these days, and I'm just leaving my eyes alone.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
I love when patients come in and say, I don't want Botox here, because I agree looking at you like that is part of your aesthetic. Like, you have a smiley eye. It's really nice, and I think it's lovely. And so I think that's important for you to hear as a provider, like, what you don't want changed. Because a lot of times, because there's so many people in aesthetics, it's kind of like. Like, paint by number. And that is not how it should be, because that takes away your uniqueness. Now, I would be lying if I didn't tell you that a week ago, I got a bunch of pictures back, and I had that exact same thing. I was animating. It was on camera. And I'm sure y'all get it like, some kind of screen grab. And you're like, what face was I making? But everything looked like I was frowning.
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Jill Dunn
Well, I was telling Jill that my son all of a sudden started saying to me when I was just rest. Resting face, he was like, why do you look so sad? Why do you look sad? And. And I was like, why is he asking me this now? Like, I'm not doing anything, you know? And then I realized the more I started to look that I think, you know, I just hit that point, that threshold where all of a sudden my mouth is pointing downwards at the sides.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
So I did my daos or depressor. Angularis. Oris. This muscle that does that depresses the angles of your mouth. After I got that back, I literally botox them the next day. Cause I was like, this has to go.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
And it does turn that frown upside down. Like, it literally. Because over time, we do get this, like, kind of frowny face gravity. And it doesn't make you look like the Joker. It just really like. I will show you in a minute after we finish a video of me. It looked like an upside down. You. Like, I was very strong in pulling those down. And now, like, when I get a frown, watch what I can. I can't do.
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Jill Dunn
Do it right.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Like, it won't do it obsessed. But wait till you see how bad it was a week ago. So we do have, you know, we have ways to combat that. But it is annoying that, like, everything for the lower face is going against us. This is getting more tense. Pulling down. These are pulling down. We're resorbing bone. Like, the whole scaffolding of our jaw is shrinking. That's right. So this is coming this way. In addition to losing all of our dermal components, the collagen, the elastin, the hyaluronic acid. So it's like. Like, this isn't easy. This is a chip shot.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Botox, Botox, Botox. Little filler. But here, it's like many things. You got to build out the mandible. You got to botox the masseter. You got to botox the platysma, the mouth. Hit these, and it's like. Then you got to help with the crepiness of, you know, of the neck.
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Jill Dunn
Well, at the end of the day, it's really trying to replace surgery, which is a pretty big ass, right?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
It's.
- [37:17]
Jill Dunn
It's trying to, like, a low. The effects of a lower facelift.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
And it's not just one thing.
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Jill Dunn
That's a lot.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah, yeah.
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Jill Dunn
Sa.
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Jill Dunn
We got a little off track there, but want to ask you about in office treatments that you're excited about this spring. Is there anything new that we should know about?
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Carlene Higgins
Like I want to erase the winter blahs my face. What do I come to you and say do it well, y'all are beautiful.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
I don't see any blahs here, but you know, I do like that kind of reawakening that occurs when you're like, okay, we're all emerging from our hibernation and we're ready to like literally shed skin and get ready for fun in the sun without getting sun. Yes.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
And so, you know, we still will do. I don't do any chemical peels personally, but my assistant does his work and those are always easy and great and like give you a little boost. I tend to lean into more aggressive things to help with evening out skin tone and skin texture.
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Carlene Higgins
What would be like Fraxel or Fraxel?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
I love fractionated CO2. I think it really does help to stimulate collagen, elastin. And we can dial it up or down based on your tolerance for social downtime. So if you have a day, I'll give you a day. You know, if you have a week, we can do a week. But I do feel like that's a great investment. And you literally only need to do it when we're not. When we're doing something to like refresh and prevent and kind of collagen bank as you know, has become in vogue, like for y'all. You need one a year. That's it. Your skin looks good. You've been taking care of it. We're just keeping things where they need to be. And that's kind of what I do once a year. And it's nice versus it embarking on like, okay, a series six, you know, that's a lot for people to undergo. Each one has one day of downtime. That's still a week out of your life that you've had to like skip stuff. So I'd rather just bang it out.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
And most people can figure that out. For like a one time treatment.
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Carlene Higgins
I really want to do PRP under the eyes.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Okay.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah, we do CO2, right?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yes.
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Carlene Higgins
So tell me why that is so beneficial. Because, you know, some people can do blepharoplasty under the eye. But I've heard that the PRP is like incredible.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah, it's great. We're having a huge, huge. I mean, it is funny. You can just tell what's going viral based on the calls. Like the salmon sperm. You know, we were one of the first in New York to have that. And the phone was like ringing off the hook. It was so funny.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
And PRP, I think fractionated CO2 around the eye on thin skin, whether it's neck or eye, because those are the first signs. First areas to show signs of aging, but they're the easiest to reverse. Because if you just build a little bit of collagen in thin skin, it translates clinically into much smoother skin. If you build the same amount of collagen on your cheek, it's not like you're going to see a huge lift. I mean, this is too heavy and the dermis is too thick. But here it really. Because the dermis is microns thick. So if you build more collagen in that area, it really smooths it out. So it's kind of the silver lining to these areas that are like the first to show signs of aging. We can reverse that so much easier. And then adding the PRP it's just your self proteins that have your own stem cells, your own growth factors in order to help like one, expedite healing and two, turbocharge the results.
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Jill Dunn
Okay. And the salmon facial. Salmon sperm facial. I need to ask you about this because you offer them, you're one of the, the first people in the city to do that. So tell us like who is the best candidate for that? And then I'm also curious what your take is on the at home products that now are claiming this.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
I know the pdrn which is the active ingredient, which is a polydeoxyribonucleotide from Salmon is just a DNA derivative that they found that Salmon's DNA was 97% bioidentical with humans. So ideally you know, it would be human, which you're getting from your prp. But in order to create that in mass quantities like you would have to get it from other people. And that's kind of yucky to think about. Like someone's like liposuctioned out adipose derived stem cells that weren't from you, you know, being slathered all over your. So this kind of takes that ick factor out of it and they do it in a very like humane way where they're post spawn and they're going to die anyway and that's how it's extracted. So you know, for animal lovers out there, you know that I think is important that it's ethically sourced, at least the one that we use and it helps with recovery. So people who've done microneedling with radio frequency skin resurfacing, all of it, it's amazing the difference. Cause I've done this for 17 years and I know how red people are gonna get and how they're gonna look post treatment. And when you put this on, it's like a miracle recovery. The redness goes down, it's really expedites the healing. So that's a win win in New York. I mean nobody has time to use anything and it boosts the benefits. And so I really was kind of skeptical at first as to how it would, how would I really feel about it? But I see a great difference in how patients recover and they all love it. Like everyone who's done it comes back for more.
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Carlene Higgins
And apparently the PDRS has been used in Korea for like a decade.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yes. And they're like.
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Carlene Higgins
So it's well proven at this point.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
2,000 journals that are, it's obviously we're not going to do anything experimental that isn't FDA cleared Through here. But it's not only safe, but also effective. And so it's been around for a long time.
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Jill Dunn
You know who else uses it in their skin care? Balmal.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Oh, really?
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Jill Dunn
He's been using it since day one.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Oh, I love that brand. Yeah.
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Jill Dunn
And. And it's funny because I think. Think. I think it was a little bit of smoke and mirrors there, because it was, you know, is one of those things where you just. It sounded a bit icky. So it wasn't like, on the front lines in terms of their communications. But that is their key ingredient. Always has been. And it's kind of like biologic recherche, where if you look too closely into their ingredients at one point, you know, it's like they come from the world of.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yes.
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Jill Dunn
You know, they're doing.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
We're putting placenta. Oh, yeah.
- [45:44]
Jill Dunn
Right. And so, of course, now it's all. That particular brand is transitioning to vegan.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
But Val Mall, that's good to know.
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Jill Dunn
Thank you. I learned something, and I think that's like, why it's so expensive as well.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah. I mean, I really do like it. And I love Valmont, so that makes sense. But that's such a luxury one. And that to me, I love that sensorial experience with theirs.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
What are your thoughts on spicules in skincare? Maybe you can quickly explain what they are and why you think they're good. Trend. A beauty trend with like the tiny.
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Jill Dunn
Little particles that like, almost feel like harden. Yeah. They start. It starts out as like a. Almost like a moisturizer or a putty. And then it hardens into the spicule that frankly feels kind of like glass on your skin.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah. There's one that we have at the office called Cell Story.
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Carlene Higgins
Yes, we tried that one.
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Jill Dunn
Yeah.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
And it feels like shards of glass put into your skin. And I mean, I will eat shards of glass if you told me I would make me look better. But, like, I. It's hard to say, especially in. Cause it's like seven steps and everything else is luxurious and lovely. And then we put numbing cream on the patient just so. Because we don't want it to be like this beautiful thing and then you're in agony for one of the steps. But, you know, I never try anything numbed because I want to be able to, like, explain in the worst case. And I was like, I'm not gonna lie. That did not feel good. It's like you were, you know, being cut a million times. I do like the results. I think it's good. I Think you know the same concept of creating micro injury in the skin through CO2 or other different devices is the same thought of like, just like microneedling, like creating a controlled injury that then tricks your body into thinking it needs to heal something. And when we heal something, we create collagen, elastin. That said, you can see microscopically though. I know I'm worried about the micro injury to the skin where it's like, then they have dilated vessels and people with rosacea, I think that would really flare them. I don't feel like it should be made for mass. I feel like back bar for people who know, like say someone had acne scarring and they're pretty durable in their skin, maybe that's a great place for it. But when you put things into just the consumer's hand, where especially in America, it's like, well, little is good, more is better. If you only recommend. If you recommend it twice a week and they do it every night, like you can't control for the potential harm that could occur.
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Carlene Higgins
Yeah. And the one thing I would say about the liquid micro needling that I thought was interesting is that you could use on active acne versus microneedling, where you cannot go near anyone that has any kind of breakout at all. So for texture that way it's good. But then I agree these at home ones, I'm not so sure. Like these VT reedle shots and things that look, they almost make them look like a syringe. Frankly, I don't know that I would be that comfortable using it all the time.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah, you know, I mean, I, I feel like that too. With a lot of at home microneedlers, it's like either you're not really doing anything. Cause we do know that in order to get into the dermis, like you need pinpoints of blood. But I don't want people doing that at home. That's too much trauma, you know, for you to be inducing and potential for infection or irritation or hyperpigmentation or scarring. So I, I tend to try to encourage my patients to like, like leave the heavy lifting to me. And then at home we're gonna do like lovely, nourishing, supportive skincare to augment what we've done in office. But like, you don't need to be the home alchemist who's like mixing up your own potions and ordering 70% glycolic from the Internet and burning your face, you know?
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Jill Dunn
Yeah. The December issue of New Scientists was actually dedicated entirely to skincare. And they came out out with quite a few articles that we won't have time to go over them all. But I wanted to ask you. This whole world has exploded of exosomes and growth factors and all of that peptides. Do you think that that's making the grade?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
I love this question. I think it's kind of the wild west right now. And we're. We. It was like that a bit with PRP at first because we knew that there was something there, but you couldn't really get the concentration right. There weren't results that you could count on often. And the variation with PRP for Pat is like, even though it's my blood draw and my self proteins, I might be really dehydrated on a Monday and not get the same results that I would get a month later.
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Carlene Higgins
It's still a variable, right?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Exactly. And so if you want like true science that is, you know, dependable, I don't know that we're there yet with it, but I do think there's real promise in those categories. You know, it's real buzzy. People love to talk about exosomes. Patients will ask me for them post procedure and I don't even know what they are truly looking for is an added benefit. But it's like very invoking.
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Carlene Higgins
They know what to ask for.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
But I do think that they show promise.
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Jill Dunn
I will say that.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
But I would like to see more studies to like really have it more reliable as far as results and, and concentrations and like where we see like true indication for them.
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Carlene Higgins
I just want to circle back because at the beginning of our conversation you mentioned the skin repairing enzymes in products. And I've heard a lot of dermatologists talking about these. What has impressed you and what are they exactly?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Well, the one that I was talking about out of Barcelona is a DNA repair enzyme. And we know that when we have ultraviolet radiation exposure, we have free radical formation that can then cause cellular damage. And we get this DNA mismatch where the C's and T's and the A's and G's of the double helix, if you remember that from like 5th grade science, get kind of mispaired. And so this enzyme comes and reconnects them in a proper way so that there aren't bad outcomes like skin cancer or premature aging and collagen breakdown. And so I think that there's a lot of promise in that space of like finding these kind of corrective ways to work on a cellular level. And I love that we're alive in this time, at least in skincare. Not politically, but for. There's so many cool things that we're, like, sitting on. You know, I feel like we're gonna look great and feel great, hopefully for so much longer than we ever maybe were intended, because we've figured out these little hacks.
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Carlene Higgins
Would it be on the label as clearly as skin repairing enzymes, or is it an. Are we looking for a word? Are we looking for?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah, let me.
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Carlene Higgins
When I Googled it, it said photolys.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Photolyase.
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Carlene Higgins
Yes. And T4 endonucleus V rolls right off the tongue.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah, I know. Just like eryfit.
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Carlene Higgins
Are those the two. Are those the two main ones or. Okay. Would they actually be on a label often, really?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Okay, they are, but, I mean, you can tell that that's clearly, like, not a US Brand because, like, the name sounds Latin and it's not very well. Like, it's not beautifully marketed as to what it does.
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Jill Dunn
Right.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
But those who know it's physician dispense predominantly as well, so we're able to, like, walk them through that. But. But I feel like most of the US Companies who would be marketing would certainly call that out, but it may be one that's also a deterrent because it may then get them categorized as a drug and have to be cleared through the fda.
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Carlene Higgins
So from what I've read, well, I assume the photo is activated by light. Is that right?
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Would that be photo lyase? You know, ASE is like what's at the end of any enzyme. And so what it does is breaks down whatever's in front of it.
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Carlene Higgins
Oh.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Essentially, I assume that it's breaking down the enzyme that was then causing DNA damage. So it's like stopping that process. Yeah.
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Carlene Higgins
This sounds like it would be very powerful to prevent, like, a skin cancer.
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Dr. Dendy Engelman
Yeah, I mean, it's great. And it's a treatment in Europe that people who are covered in actinic keratoses, which are pre cancers and have had a history of squamous cell carcinoma, they prescribe this. It's like, not only is it preventative, but it's also correcting and hopefully preventing subsequent skin cancer. So it's cool. I mean, it's really neat technology.
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Carlene Higgins
Well, thank you so much for sharing all of your amazing intel with us and helping us switch our routine to spring, leaving winter behind us. So thank you so much.
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Jill Dunn
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