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Sarah Nicole Landry, a.k.a. The Bird’s Papaya, on “The Traitors” lore, a new chapter and why self-care shouldn’t cost a fortune
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The following podcast is a Dear media production.
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Welcome to Breaking Beauty the podcast. All about the breakthrough people, products and moments in beauty.
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We're your hosts, Jill Dunn and Carlene Higgins. Everyone, thank you all for joining us on this Thursday afternoon. And I have to give you a big warm welcome to Breaking Beauty Podcast live. We're so thrilled to be here. I am Jill Dunn. I am one of the co hosts of Breaking Beauty Podcast.
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And I'm Carlene Higgins. Breaking Beauty.
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We are two former magazine beauty editors turned beauty podcasters. I see some of our former magazine peeps here in the audience today. We're all about sharing the breakthrough people, products and moments in beauty and every single Wednesday. And this is actually our ninth year, officially March of 2017. So here we are nine years later, still doing it.
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Yes.
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All right.
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After that. And we have a lot of amazing guests on our show every single Wednesday. We've had makeup artists like makeup by Mario, dermatologists like Dr. Sherene Idris, few celebrities like Kayla. And this week I think we have Lily Reinhard, so have to do a little bit of name dropping. But also every single month, we review products, we check out what's on the beauty shelves that's new in the month, we test it, we review it, and we decide what is damn good. So we basically help you edit your makeup skincare routine. But lately what we've noticed is that we're getting this resounding question. I feel like it resonates with so many people and, and it's how do I look good and feel good without breaking the bank?
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That's right. And that's why we are so happy to be here for an exclusive live podcast. Welcome Suave to Canada.
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Yay.
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And honestly, at a time when the cost of taking care of ourselves really is at an all time high, there's some sticker shock going on out there, I will say. And Suave is really here to help Canadians keep looking good, keep smelling good and high performance products that we can actually afford, which we're all here for. And thank you to Suave for partnering with us to share this very important conversation.
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Yes. And to help us talk about beauty and budgeting and confidence and all the good things. We have Sarah Nicole Landry, who is also known as the Birds Papaya.
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And Sarah is a mom, a body confidence advocate. She's a speaker, she's a writer, she's a six time cover girl, She's a weekly podcast host of the Papaya podcast, which we have been on it many moons ago. And she's Just an all around gals, gal. So we're going to have a great yap session.
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Yes. And what we're going to do, we're going to dive deep into what's called the cost of smelling good index. So this is a survey that was conducted across 1500 adults in Canada to find out how we're feeling, how our relationship is to self care these days in this economy. Because the grocery bills, even we are looking at them with a bit of shock. Right.
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Honestly, it couldn't have come a better time because 53% of Canadians say the cost of living impacts their ability to prioritize self care. So I think we're all feeling it. So in partnership with Suave, we're sort of here to turn that all around and we're going to be hitting you with stats, everybody. I love a stat. We're going to be coming at you with hacks.
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Yes. So before we get into the cost of living index, all of that, we need to do a little catch up. Right? We need, we need some girl talk here. Sarah, the last time you were on our show was 2020.
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Yep.
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The world upside down, inside out, back again.
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Why? What happened?
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So what's new?
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What's new with you?
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I had a whole child. I have done a renovation. My job has pivoted a few different times within that. Didn't we all? It's been filled with a lot of ups and downs. Like I think a lot of times we exist, seeing. And I had a lot of lowlights too. And I'm really proud of where I am today. I'm proud to be here. I'm proud to wake up every day and like do this job. I've been in this. This is my 18th year as the first. So congratulations.
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That's amazing. You've done anything, doubled us. We're only nine.
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We're babies.
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Not, not. It was like 10 years. I think I'm like eight years and doing this as like a full time job. But those 10 years were so important to do it without. Like at the beginning of your podcast before, like people cared and like, not that they didn't care but like, you know, like they weren't. It wasn't what podcasting is now. Content creation wasn't the same back then. We were just doing it for the passion. And so to be able to call this a career or even a hobby or anything is like such a beautiful thing. I, I wake up very grateful to do it every day. Yeah. Yeah.
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That's fantastic. Well, one of the things you did last year Was you appeared on Traders Canada. Any Traders fans in the house? Okay.
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Oh, oh, okay. Okay.
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So I'm going to.
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What do you want me to tell the things? My NDA is forever, but I am terrible at NDAs apparently.
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First of all, did you watch the US one? Did you see Rob?
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Did you do the. Overall, the American one is actually set very different from Canada. So in the US obviously, it's like very celebrity stack. In Canada, we have both gamers and civilians come together and the game be different. I was such a fan of the US one. Then my good friend Lauren Chan went on the Canadian one. I binged that one. I love the dynamic of it. I applied on the very last day of applications and then it was like, I'll just like I did a quick video being like, if you want me, you want me. And I sent it and then I got a call the next week and it process of applying and being accepted and then I disappeared from the Internet and made everybody worry about me. And then I came back and was like, yeah, I did a reality show. So it was. It was. But I loved the game. The game is incredible to watch on tv. Less incredible to play.
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Yeah. Was the manor haunted?
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That's what I want to say.
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Honestly, it all haunted. It's also just like people didn't realize this because in the US it's different. We actually stayed on site. You live in that house.
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That's why I want to ask you.
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You live there, so you're like, you're living there, but you're also like miked up all day long. There's not a lot of the psychological warfare of like bonding so traumatically with people. And then also it's like a secret. You can't talk about it. Nobody knows what you've gone through. It was one of the best and worst experiences of my life and I like, actually changed my life in incredible ways. Wow.
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Okay. Everybody needs to go binge it if you haven't. And it's like a murder mystery, game of Clue, kind of.
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Listen, go make some best friends and they might try and kill you.
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That's the whole thing.
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I understand that congratulations are in order because the CAFA Canadian Arts and Fashion Awards has just announced their nominees for 2026 and you are one of them.
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Thank you.
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In the digital fashion category, I'm so proud of you. You just keep evolving, but also standing for what you stand for, it's so fabulous. How do you feel like your content has changed, though, over the past five years? Because you've talked a lot in the past, about, like, last time you're on our show, we talked a lot about body positivity, body neutrality, different place now. So I'm curious.
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I do think, like, it's, it's so interesting because I think these conversations were so important, they needed to be had. Right. I pocket myself more into body confidence because along the road of like, neutrality and positivity, there is so much nuance to that. And I was like, okay, at the end of the day, I exist in a body. It's going to ebb and flow. I went through a pregnancy in real time, a postpartum in real time. I went through mental health diagnosis in real time. My body has changed even in the last five years, so many times. But a couple years ago or maybe like three years ago, I just kind of threw up my hands to it and was like, I just want to say yes to my life and what does that look like? And here I am about accepting your cellulite, accepting your postpartum body, accepting your stretch marks. But I still felt a lot of limiting beliefs around them. So I went on a mission to basically say yes to parts of my life that I could not say yes or no to them based on how I felt about my body. So things like Sports Illustrated Runway, things like cover shoots, things like doing traders, terrifying things to do, but I wanted to do them and I had to go in and like, fully submit to the process of it. My life has been very different as the years have gone on because I've been saying yes to these opportunities and allowing myself to recognize that. Listen, I don't think I'm feel like a body confident person, but I can choose it. I can choose to do things scared. I can choose to do things not having it all figured out, to recognize that I actually don't feel great about my body every day. But that doesn't need to limit my life and opportunities. And the more I do these things, the more you sort of like practice the muscle of that. So I think going through what I thought was accepting my body, but then it would change and then it would change again. And it just felt like a moving target. And I'm going to be honest with you, if you look around, society is also changing. Our conversations around women's bodies are actually getting worse. And so how do we talk about it and acknowledge that these things exist? So acknowledge that we want to live our lives. We want to make choices, we want to be able to show up. We want to be able to have the autonomy to do so and not feel so scrutinized and judged by each other. Yeah, I think we've got a ways to go. I think it remains incredibly important. I know we love statistics. I recently just discovered that search the hashtag postpartum body, 95% of them do not represent what most people look like in postpartum. And so we're looking at even in the lens of social media, only 5% represents what most people expect experience. So I remain on the mission of saturating what is my real. Because I spent eight years my body and hiding myself and sitting on the sidelines of my life. And I'm very excited to now be like, hey, guess what? Don't love my body every day, don't feel great about it all the time. Love my life and I want to keep living it. And I want to do everything I can to sit at 80 years old and go, oh, I'm so glad I did that, and go, oh, I wish I had.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. I think that's very relatable because especially showing up on the Internet, it's not actually very easy to do the comment section, your comment section is intense sometimes. Right. And like, I really give you a lot of credit for showing up for all of these years you have been doing it and continuing these conversations. Important, but they're not always easy.
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No.
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And you know, because you really stand there proudly sometimes that can make you a target unfairly. So it's really amazing that you're being recognized by the, the Canadian Arts and Fashion Awards and we need can we vote for you or something? Like, how does that work?
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But you know what's actually interesting about the caf Awards, I actually, like, I was asked, I was nominated two years ago.
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Okay.
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My mental health was so low that I said no.
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Oh, wow.
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And I immediately regretted it. Like, it gutted me. I was so sad that I would limit myself that way. And I want to share that now because, like, I don't want to carry that shame of like, I had a bad moment and a bad season that I didn't feel worthy of. That came up again. I would say yes. And so I did. And you actually look at who I'm nominated with and we're looking at some of the best in like fashion and creator like Dorian, who and my friend Sarah. I cannot pronounce her last name. I'm so sorry, Sarah. If you listen to this, Izzy Poopy, like some of the most amazing creators and I'm like, how is this 41 year old mom in this, like, group of people? But I'm so honored because I think I obviously represent something that mattered to them, and I. And I don't want to put myself on the back burner of that opportunity again. And so such an honor. I've attended the awards where I've watched other people, like, and I will, honestly. I know they always say this, but, like, anybody who wins, genuinely, everybody on that in that group, when they named the list, I was just blown away. I was so honored to be among them.
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Love it.
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Yeah.
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We are a beauty podcast, after all. Says so in our name. So what has been bringing you joy
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in the world of Honestly Play? Like, I think as you get older, there's a lot of you. You feel kind of left behind. You feel like you watch the videos and everybody who's, like, surging on TikTok and in the trends, like, it's getting younger and younger, and you stop feeling so represented. But at the same time, shouldn't limit you from, like, continuing to play with makeup and beauty and discovery. And so I have paid a little bit more attention on, like, actually looking for things that work on an older skin texture and actually work for, you know, different. Our skin is different as we get older. It's not as hydrated. All these different things. I've just, like, instead of being like, ah, poop. Just like, oh, hey, this is cool to learn about. It's. It's cool to learn and evolve. But, yeah, I'm just, like, leaning into trying a little bit more new things, having fun with it again. I grew up as the kid who watched everybody do, like, the cool girl makeup and the cool girl things, and I never felt cool enough to do it. And now I'm like, I just don't
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believe in that anymore.
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I think we're all just could do whatever we want.
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I need to know.
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I didn't do it, though, guys.
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I didn't.
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This is the work of Alyssa Helm. She's a beautiful makeup artist, and I love for moments like this, I love to have, like, have it done. And also, you learn so much when somebody else does your makeup.
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Absolutely agree.
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Yeah. Because they look at your face very differently. They can shape it, shape your eye. You just, like, you learn a lot. So I. Sometimes you walk away being like, oh, this is actually what I should be trying and doing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. It pushes you a little better.
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Yeah. You learn.
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I always ask them so many questions. I drill them like, we're not. We're never not talking.
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Yeah.
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Well, now it's time to unpack the cost of smelling good index, because only 33% of Canadians affordable right now, just a third of us. And because of that nearly half of us are cutting back on self care in order to save money. So we can't be having that. Sarah, what is the biggest money saving hack that you've tried in the name of beauty?
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Honestly, a couple different things. Rotating between maybe a luxury brand with a less so like I have a really, really great hair product that I use after my like I've washed my hair and you want to blow dry it and I have a really expensive version of it. There's like a really like tiny little bottle that cost me way too much money and then I have one that's like a more cost effective one and I rotate them and I having those experiences with doing it less. I also got one of those like Amazon scoopers that you can like scoop product out. There's so much product in the bottom of a tube that we're missing and so I'm trying to be a little bit smarter about it because I and I also think like it's worth noting. Affordability is such a spectrum when you talk about affordability. Ten years ago when I was a single mom, different from the world today. For me this is why I think talking about this and some of these conversations around like some of these more basic luxuries which is like smelling good I believe should be really accessible to people. And this is why I think it's like really nice to have this conversation.
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Yeah.
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And I do think you're you especially a lot of moms. I don't have kids but a lot of moms, I feel like they, they will sacrifice their self care. It's the first thing to grow right. Often if they're looking at their budget. And so I think it is really important to just prioritize that.
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Also I will say I like your hack about the scoop. There was, I don't know how many of you saw it, but there was a viral with a very luxurious highlighter and the creator had taken the sticker off the back and pushed it up like with a pen.
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And there was cranks too. You can get pranks on Amazon it
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was double the size inside. So like you can get right in there. You really can.
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It's shocking how much product is in the bottom of it.
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And very open with your audience before about mental health and self care and the link there when you are feeling really overwhelmed just how important leaning into the self care is. What would that mean to you if maybe you weren't able to do that anymore because of Budget constraints.
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Yeah, I'm going to be honest. A couple years ago I got diagnosed with a condition called is premenstrual dysphoric disorder. If you don't know it, it's basically PMS that like lighter fluid was lit on fire with it. It's just, it is every symptom that you could possibly imagine very heightened. And it comes cyclically. So it's very hard. Oftentimes people miss it. They don't understand why they're in these depressive states. The statistics around sadder parts of this are really staggering. It's not great and it's very difficult to fight, especially when you get diagnosed and you're like, oh great, this is every month is going to be this. So I have had to spend the last couple years figuring out how to make those few days a month livable, thrivable, and I don't really have a lot of option here. You gotta get up and go. And self care has been pivotal for that. So yeah, things like aromatherapy have been key. Things like getting in the shower and rinsing off a little bit, just like keeping a routine, keeping nourished, keeping hydrated, basically feeling like a house plant a little bit, but like keeping going.
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Right.
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One foot in front of the other is truly how it feels sometimes. But I noticed early on that at the beginning I was just sort of like I'm just gonna curl up and do my best and just get through it and hide away a little bit. And I realized that wasn't very helpful. I wasn't actually feeling better until these systems, which I would, I would call them systems now that I really have to access in order to be able to have a little bit more comfort in those days. So yeah, starting with like getting ready in the morning properly, even when it feels very, very difficult, changed my mindset. It reminded me of my worth, it reminded me of. It also allowed me these bits of escape. My therapists, a lot of people were like, okay, meditate with what time? Like how are you going to add that in the schedule? I don't have 10 minutes to meditate right now.
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One of those like self driving cars.
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Yeah, like where would you like me to put this in the schedule? But my therapist was actually like, what if within your shower time? So then that changed the experience as well. This is where suave is really great coming in with the body washes. Right. So yeah, things like that, being able to access these moments and have them work within your own schedule and build upon that. Creating systems and tools that help those Those really, really hard days just be a little bit easier. Feel like you don't have the motivation to do anything. You can rely on the systems that have kept you going.
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Yeah. I love a meditation shower moment. Sitting down in the shower.
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So great. You can find guided meditations. There's so many different ways to do it. My therapist has an app like, there, there's. And she'll also, like, do guided meditations and send me the recording. So, yeah, like, they make a huge.
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Sitting down in the shower.
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Oh, yeah, I love that.
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Oh, actually, I did that yesterday.
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Okay. You must have a nicer shower than me. Cause I would be like on the floor like that Kermit meme.
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It's like, you know what? You can shave your legs, but you can also just like sit there with the shower water on your back and you're just like, you know.
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Okay, well, yeah, yeah, you do have a very lux. Or like. Not me. I mean, I'm. I'm. But maybe I'll come over and do that. Sure.
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You're welcome. At your sleepover slumber party. Okay, so that is so important. I feel like we are almost about to do a game of prices. Right. Right now. Because we have not talked about the prices of these suave products that have just dropped in Canada. I mean, I don't know if you saw any prices out there. So let's. Let's just see. Okay, so here's what just launched in Canada. We have the Suave antiperspirant deodorant for women. 48 hour protection. Thank you. Your price is right, girl. Yeah. It comes in fresh powder and cocoa butter. I'm wearing the fresh. It's so light. What do you have on?
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I'm wearing. What's the pink one?
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Powder one.
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I actually do the cocoa butter.
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I actually. Yeah, I'm not going to lie.
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Look at this. Look at this. Anybody guess the price or did you
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see it out there? Yell it out.
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Yell it out.
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Okay.
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Thank you. Anyone else? What'd you say? Are you a spy? It's $3.97
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close to you without going over.
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Yeah, that's like the price of a latte.
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It really is.
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I mean, it really feels like a rollback. So very.
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I said, that's a 198 girl. Math per armpit.
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$98.
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Exactly.
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Less than a toonie. What? How Canadian is that?
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Less than a toonie is so Canadian. All the Americans right now are like, what? And your milk is in bags.
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No. That's why it's so great that they're coming. They also have seven lovely scented body washes for men and for women. They're brimming with these for your skin ingredients like glycerin. They are really generous sizes. I have them here again doing my Price is right thing. My favorite one, you guys, is the Strawberry Delight.
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No, you have no idea.
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It smells like dessert. I think this one of all of them, it'll be the one that will go viral.
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Did anybody smell it out there?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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There's something nostalgic about it.
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I'm addicted to this one. And it had. I used this one this morning and what I appreciated about it, like the lather is gentle for a very affordable body wash. It's very gentle as well. And I think that they. This scent reminds me of those little striped used to have like at your grandma's house. Like the strawberry ones?
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Yeah.
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Swirl.
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Anyway, I thought they smelled like a strawberry shortcake, but now I need to ask.
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I love the milk and honey.
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Oh, yeah. So how much do you guys think this one is? So good. Okay, drum. We need a drum roll. I said five bucks closest everybody. I'm, I'm reading it so I know it's right. It's $3.97 each for this? Yeah.
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You're all going.
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Listen, I learned this is the new class.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I, I just figured this out.
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It's not. It's the, it's the. What is it the fort where Gen Z.
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You're mastering it clock 397. But I just think that's amazing how generous the size is and it can be in the shower and you don't have to feel guilty about using a lot, which I do.
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I'm a Gen X. So to me These are like 1980s prices. When do we ever have that happen a rollback like that? And that is a big deal because here's another takeaway from the cost of smelling good index. Nearly one in two Canadians feel like they have to overpay to get high performing better performing products. Do you guys feel that way? You know, yeah. This is the, the general consensus. But if you tune into our show, we do budget episodes on a regular basis and I'm telling you they are just getting better and better. We're getting elegant textures, fine fragrances in body care and they are performing as well as the prestige stuff.
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Yeah. Sarah to you. Where are you saving and where are you splurging these days in your self care routine?
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A lot of it comes from rotation of like the save and the splurge and I'LL be honest. Sometimes I'm like, what am I spending more? Like, I had like a really expensive shampoo for a while, but then I got like a lesser getting the same results. So I think like, also paying attention is this something that I'm doing? Because it has that like, high price and I think that it means it does better. But I'm, I've. Listen, I will always be a bit of a saver. I love a thrift shop find.
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I'm.
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That's just, I love a good deal. So I've never been somebody that's like over splurged. And I always loved like finding things that really work. But I also have kids that are Gen Z and they're usually the, they're probably gonna be the. Listen, I'm gonna do this whole thing and I'm gonna talk about all this stuff and then my daughter's gonna come home in like a month and she'll be like, you need to get this, this, the strawberry suave body wash for me. It's like all over TikTok. And I'll be like, seriously, I told you about this.
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But until I think this one is
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legit, I actually think this is going to be the one. My oldest daughter, she's just turning 20 and she smelled it and she was like, can I have this one? And I was like, it's in my shower right now. But yeah, okay.
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Like, yeah, it has that caramelly smell smell to it too, which is, you know, those gourmand kind of trending scents. And I want to add to what you said earlier, Carlene, because, you know, I've done TV segments for many years now and I'll never forget when I was on the Marilyn Dennis show and it was so different from doing print magazines where we were sort of like in an ivory tower, like selecting the products that go on the page. And you're like, this is purple. So. And sometimes literally, that's the decision.
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Yeah. Not even looking at the price.
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No.
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And then I was doing a segment on Marilyn and I said, oh, this, this serum is $60 or whatever. Literal audible gasps from everybody that was in the audience. And I, I was like, oh, yeah, of course. Like, that is a lot of money and you want to make sure that there are affordable there. And so I'm not surprised about this other stat from the Cost of Smelling Good index. It said that 79% of Canadians would drop a premium brand if a more affordable option was available to them.
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Do you also find too, like, a lot of us in this industry and like in your job, like you'd be sent so many products. So when it comes down to it and thing that is more cost effective, you actually can tell if it's like you were talking about. I actually want to ask you this. Sorry, gonna turn the mic on you. You mentioned that you really love the glycerin part. I know what vitamin E benefits are, but I see it says glycerin on it and I know that you mentioned a bunch. Can you actually share what that does and why that is premium every.
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C
Honestly.
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A
Okay, what is it doing?
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C
It's one of the most proven ingredients and it's one of the most studied. It's one of the safest, like safe for sensitive skin. And it's a humectant, which means keeping that moisture in your skin so it's not stripping your skin when it's in the shower or in a moisturizer or those kinds of things. And a couple years ago when hyaluronic acid was pop. Glycerin needs hyaluronic acid's publicist because it literally is better for the skin in my opinion and more beneficial.
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B
So now it's gotten a little bit more popular where up and coming indie brands are now kind of highlighting glycerin. But it's tried and true, just like vitamin E. And so the data proven ingredients that you're getting in suave and without having to pay that high price point.
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C
Yeah.
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B
So it's like you're getting what you need as well as like new and lovely fragrances as well. So.
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A
Yeah, no, I just, I just know like we try so many products and there's like opportunity to work with brands. You know this one, it had to. It had to live up to everything we were hearing about it. And for me I was like, it's honestly one of the best days. I was like this is awesome. Like smelling all the different scents and like I tried the deodorant but anybody who knows I actually very sensitive skin. So a lot of times these things won't work. For me. The antiperspirant and I fully switched because I actually like that I can smell it throughout the day. And that scent has actually like it says on the body wash about long lasting. I would say the same about the antiperspirant. So yeah, I also love that like we're sitting here and we're talking about it, we're talking about with you and we're here with the brand. But I also know like for all of us, we actually care about these products being Effective, right?
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B
And I think fancy deodorants we do get sent a lot. And I was using really cute like indie brand deodorants for a while and then I started going through perimenopause and
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C
I was like, you're like, oh, that was cute.
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B
Yeah, that was cute. I would have to go like, where is the anti purse for an ad? And by the way, only the left pit. By the way, only the left pit. It's perimenopause thing. Only the left. I could probably only wear the antiperspirant on the left side. I'd be fine. Make it last twice as long. There's another free hack.
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C
Oh, that was the chuni side. Hormones.
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A
Hormones are wild.
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B
Okay, so any other last rituals that are free, that are inexpensive, that have big payoff for you?
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A
One of my favorite things to do in the world is just like find the things that make you joyous and lean into those. For me it might be something like an aromatherapy, like having something that smells really good. My vice is a like lip gloss. I know that's like a really simple but like I swear to goodness I feel and sometimes a self tan anything that's like a 10% better than the day before. It doesn't always have to be like that complicated. I think we all want this like big life saving answer. And sometimes I'm like, listen, what makes you feel just a little bit better? And what is something that you can actually access that you probably already own, that you might already have like in your drawers? I think we have a bit of the more monster we're always looking and the next like spending and spending and spending, searching for the things that we might actually already have. I actually had a beauty creator painted by Spencer was on my podcast and we had this very conversation around like a lot of times we're looking for better products and sometimes it's as simple as like our skin prep changes the way that the product and the way that we are hydrating and like showering and all of these different things that allow the products that we already own to perform better. It's not that we have to get more and more things that are going to do differently. I think a lot of times we feel like when the cost of everything is going up, we're feeling down. I don't know if this is just a me thing, but I might spend more money.
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C
Yeah, it's like, it's like.
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A
And then it just means.
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And people are like, I woke up and I don't know what I bought last night. What was in my car?
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A
That was me. And then it was at the door the next day. And then you're like, oh, this didn't fill that voice. So it's like, you know what? I probably already have it in my drawer.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I love a good lip gloss. Be a self tan. It might be a nice thing. I love that. But, yeah, there's a. There's a lot of times it's the stuff we already have.
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C
Yeah. I want to de influence on one thing that I've been talking to Carlene about, which is like these paper towels for your face. Everybody just use a face cloth. Yeah, they are. I don't know if you know what I'm talking about. They're not the wet wipes, but they're dry.
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A
Yes.
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They're massively popular. You know, do you. If you love them, that's completely fine, but I just don't think we need them. We have face cloths and towels. That doesn't feel like you can wash those.
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A
You're losing me. It feels like laundry.
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C
Yeah, maybe that's it.
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A
Yeah, that probably is the appeal.
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People just want to like, that's a good one. Throw it away.
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B
We are. Yeah.
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C
Well, I saw once the other day when actually I was in the US and I was shopping and it said healthy aging towelettes. And I go, what? There's nothing on them. And it was like, with regular use, it's like this and that. I'm like, there's claims on them. And I'm like, this is. No.
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You know what, though? I have one more thing. As I'm sitting here and I'm looking at my hands. Press on nails.
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C
Oh, yeah. Good hack. Good hack.
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A
Well, time saving hack. Totally the time and the money. Doing your nails, like every two to three weeks, I switched to press ons and it's been like the actual best. Yeah, they actually. Mine lasts for like up to two weeks.
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B
And it's something that you see in your vision as opposed to, you know. And. Yeah, I love it polished, you know.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Well, thank you to Suave for giving us options that we can actually afford. And with that, we are going to play a little game with our audience. You thought that was the game? No, no, there's. This is the game. So it's called don't sweat it. And that means that you love with this situation we're gonna present you with or that you sweat it. In other words, no thanks. And if you're on team don't sweat it, you're gonna put your hand up nice and confident. No pit stains. And if you are sweating it, you keep your arms down, like, awkwardly, like this.
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C
And.
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B
Yeah, we're gonna throw out.
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C
Okay, here we go. This isn't a test.
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B
And Jerry, you're playing too.
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A
I know. I realized it.
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C
Okay, first scenario, everybody. The rumors are true. Justin Trudeau is dating Katy Perry. Seeing our former prime minister getting snapped in paparazzi style photos on a yacht with the California girl songstress. Is that a don't sweat. Put your hands up. Or is it a sweated. No, thanks. Cross your arms.
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Oh, okay.
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C
We love top culture.
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B
We love it.
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C
We love it, right? Don't sweat it. Okay.
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B
We got a lot of don't sweat it.
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C
That's great. Okay.
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B
Okay, the next one is about the TikTok viral trend, the Morning Shed. Okay,
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C
the whole S H E D. The Morning Shed.
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A
Is it a place.
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C
You got me.
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B
Okay, I'll explain. Okay, I'll explain it. The ethos is the uglier you go to bed, the hotter you wake up. And the idea is that you're gonna put a lot of bedtime mouth tape under. Eye patches, chin straps. Could be hair rollers. You put on as much as you can do. Love a hair roller. And then the next morning you wake up prettier. That's the idea. The Morning Shed. Is this a sweating.
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C
Don't sweat it?
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A
It's not. It.
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B
Is this a don't sweat it? Love to see it, or don't sweat it? Okay, the idea.
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C
We have a couple.
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B
It feels like I see you three people.
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A
Okay, we're gonna have to argue on how these all work. I've heard of these things individually working. I just don't wanna do them all at the same time.
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C
Yeah, I think they're. Yeah, they're just like, be high maintenance at night so you can be low maintenance in the morning so you get
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A
out the door faster.
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B
I think the majority thought you were
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A
talking about an actual literal shed, and
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B
I was like, explain this now that I might get into a beauty shed. Yeah.
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C
Yes. Okay, the next scenario, everyone. The cottage from Heated Rivalry where Shane and Ilya cozied up is going to be listed on Airbnb. For fans to rent is to say, don't sweat it, AKA love to see it, let people rent it, or no, thanks. This should only be reserved for Shane and Ilia fan fiction.
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B
Okay.
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A
We've got hand fees on that contract. Which fan place are gonna be wild?
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B
Okay. It's a little bit more than half.
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C
Fifty. Fifty, I think.
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B
I think we're looking at it.
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A
Getting Also, it's super unavailable.
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B
You cannot rent it.
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A
It, like, sold. It's like, it's gone for how many years? I don't know.
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C
No, no, no. Like, it's just. Because they just introduced it.
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B
I know, but is it for future years?
- [34:50]
A
No, I think it's gonna be. I think they're, like, doing segments of drop. So, like, you're gonna have opportunity. But apparently the moment it dropped, it was immediately blowfully. People are feral for it.
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C
It's a good. It's a good call.
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B
Offer people to rent my house for something. Okay.
- [35:06]
A
We're gonna need to get some Come over, sit in a show.
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B
I need you and your trader pal O. Okay, so let's do a little check in here. So are we skipping the $60 luxury body wash? Grabbing the suave milk and honey that's my favorite body wash. Instead at Walmart for 3.97. Is this a don't sweat it, love to see it, or a sweat it,
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A
I'm sorry, is there $60 body washes that are happening?
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B
Pardon me? What is it?
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A
They're $60 body washes.
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C
Oh, they're only $100. There's 150.
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B
We get this stuff sent. And I got one the other day. It was $60. I think it was even us. And I was like, in this economy?
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C
Yeah.
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B
Okay. So pretty much everybody said, don't sweat it. So I love that.
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C
Yeah. Okay, so another scenario. Justin Bieber performed his hit UConn at the Grammys in nothing but and boxers. The no pants look, representing Canadians. Is this a don't sweat it? Like, you love to see it hands up. Or is it sweated? No, thanks.
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A
Here's the thing. Why did Chapel Rowan get dragged for having, like, less to wear? But people, like, were so happy about Justin Bieber, so for that reason, body autonomy, he can wear whatever he wants.
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B
Okay.
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C
Right.
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A
That's not to force everyone to put their hands up.
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B
I think it was. Wait, I think it was 50. 50. I think we had a few people with two hands up that were trying to skew it one way or the other.
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A
Okay, listen, the fact that Justin's, like, singing it all, like, let's just do whatever he wants.
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B
And I mean.
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C
Yeah, when the song comes out, it's almost Coachella times.
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B
He'll be.
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C
He'll be very dusty in the desert. Maybe he doesn't wear clothes.
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B
We don't know.
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C
Well, that's what I'm saying. He'll be covered in dust.
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B
Yeah, he'll need some. We should send.
- [36:51]
C
Yeah, we should Send him some smoke. Yes, I'm. I'm on board with this.
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B
Okay, Sarah, we are talking about a native Guelphite. Yes, Sarah. Sarah's from Guelph.
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A
Okay. Who are we talking about?
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B
Okay.
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C
Are you native Guelfite or just.
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A
I am. I was born and raised.
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C
Oh, okay.
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A
I left for, like, four years. When I came back.
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C
Okay, okay.
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B
I have family. There is really so question close to my heart. Guelph's own Neve Campbell is reportedly.
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A
Oh, yeah, I went to high school. The same high school as her.
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C
Stop.
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A
Yeah. It was my claim to fame for a while.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Okay.
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A
Put Hailey Bieber on your podcast. I had. I went to high school with Nev Campbell.
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B
It's all in the family.
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C
Okay.
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B
Guelph Zone. Neve Campbell is reportedly getting nearly $7 million for Scream 7. That's $5 million more than her co star, Courtney Cox. Courtney, is this a Don't sweat it,
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C
like, you love to see it.
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B
Sweat it, sweat it. I think that's a little less than 50% are into this idea.
- [37:46]
A
I've seen Scream 7, but isn't she a little bit more of the main character?
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C
Well, that's what I'm saying. I'm betting that Courtney Cox is in it for 30 seconds and she's getting paid accordingly.
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A
If this were like a man versus woman pay equality thing, I feel different.
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B
Yeah.
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C
Did anybody see it yet? No.
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B
You know, and there's a lot of Friends, you know, stands.
- [38:06]
A
So she made a million dollars an episode on Friends.
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B
Yeah.
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A
By the end of the last season, they were a million dollars per episode. Plus it went into syndication. Neve Campbell, this is like her bread and butter.
- [38:16]
B
Yeah. That's how she gets that. She's got to make this last.
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C
Make it. Okay. Okay. Another scenario. You know, we love Canada. So if you're headed out to, let's say, Tofino this spring, is sheet masking on a plane. A do or a don't? AKA don't sweat it. You love to see it. Hands up or sweat it. A.K.A. no, thanks.
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A
Oh, hands up. Okay.
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B
This is a beauty crowd. Everybody through tuning.
- [38:39]
A
Wait. We are doing it or we aren't doing it with our hands? See, it feels like work. I probably won't, but I would have
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B
a friend doing it. For the people listening at home, we've got like three quarters of the audience with their hand up. So it is normal now to wear a sheep. We've said it. You can go ahead and wear your sheet mask on a plane. Yeah. Except my friend Bonnie in the middle she was like, no. Hell no. All right, us to the end of our game. Sarah, thanks for playing along, by the way.
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C
And thanks to all of you for playing along.
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B
Yeah, thank you all. And before we wrap, what's one thing that you're definitely not sweating this year in 2026?
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A
You know what, I'm gonna say it out loud, but I know it's not fully true, but we're gonna do our best with it. The weight of other people. Oh, we're doing our best.
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B
This, this, this. Yeah, I've got my hand up. I've got my armpit on display. The left one.
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C
We're clocking as well. Okay, well, thank you all for joining us here in the audience. Thank you to Sarah for this great conversation. We can't let it be another six years before we.
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A
I know.
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C
Let's back on Breaking Beauty. We just appreciate your transparency as always. And a massive thank you to our friends at Sarah Suave as well.
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B
And you can find the new Suave lineup right now exclusively at Walmart Canada online and in stores.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Thank you so much. That was nice.
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B
Thanks for listening. You can find details on every product mentioned in today's episode along with our exclusive promo codes on our blog@breaking beautypodcast.com
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C
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C
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B
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