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11/14/24: Matt Gaetz Tapped For AG, Trump Shocks With Tulsi Pick, Biden Welcomes Trump To White House, Trump Team Fed Up With Elon
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Crystal Ball
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Emily Jashinsky
Let's get to the show.
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Ryan Grim
Good morning everyone. We have a girls show for you today. Sager is out. Where is he?
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Crystal Ball
Crystal Sagar My little trip down to Austin to record a couple podcasts with Lex Friedman and with Matt and Shane on their podcast. So I'm looking forward to seeing all of those and he will be back here on Monday but very glad as always to have you here with us Emily.
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Ryan Grim
It's such a blast. And when soccer goes on his honeymoon, everyone will get an extra dose.
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Crystal Ball
That's Right. Yeah. Buckle up. That's right. That is coming very soon. In the meantime, we have very much news to bring you this morning.
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Ryan Grim
It's Morning in America, folks.
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Crystal Ball
I saw did Ryan make the fascist and furious joke yesterday? Good job, Ryan.
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Ryan Grim
And then someone tweeted like, nine sequels like to come because we on fast 20.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah, that's exactly right. And many of those sequels are coming this morning. So some pretty wild picks that we'll go through. Some very interesting ones. We're also taking a look at Elon's influence on this administration. Some reports that the staff is already getting irritated with him because he's just like, around all the time, so. And of course, there's always jockeying for power. And right now, Elon appears to have Trump's ear. So look into those dynamics as well. James Carville, absolutely shocking me and saying that, hey, you know, maybe that Bernie Sanders had a point. I never would have thought that those words would come out of his mouth. David Brooks has also said something similar. Wild times we're living through here, people. At the same time, New York Times facing a lot of scrutiny over taking down a video because it showed actually the polar opposite of what they had originally claimed that it showed and no longer served their narrative purpose. So they pulled that. I'm taking a look at the what Billionaires Want out of the Trump Administration. And we've got a great guest on the Democratic side to talk about how Democrats failed to appeal to young men. So that should be an interesting conversation as well.
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Ryan Grim
Hugely interesting conversation. And speaking of interesting conversations, Crystal, we are about to have one because we could go ahead and put a one up on the screen. Donald Trump nominated Matt Gaetz to be Attorney General of the United States yesterday evening.
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Emily Jashinsky
Yes.
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Ryan Grim
And Crystal was celebrating right away.
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Crystal Ball
She's my cup of tea right here.
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Ryan Grim
She was like, this is surprisingly refreshing.
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Crystal Ball
It's something. It was surpr. That part was true. This part, this Axios report talks about how Republicans were stunned and disgusted at Trump picking Matt Gaetz for Attorney General. Now, the. I think the spin on that would be, you know, he's unorthodox on this and that position. True, true. He is. No doubt about it. But he also is just an unrepentant asshole and is probably the most hated figure among his colleagues on Capitol Hill. You can back this up probably better than I can.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah. Even among Republicans, first of all, even among Republicans, as you like MAGA type Republicans. I was talking to one source that's definitely MAGA yesterday, and it was just that source described the reaction among types on Capitol Hill and on the House side as quote, veep Ish, everyone was just shocked. And he is, to your point, Crystal, he's really beloved by the base. Like, if you go to a Trump event and Gaetz is. People love Matt Gaetz who are not in D.C. which to most people would be like, that means you're doing something right. That's a good thing. But in this case, it's because the more you've, like, interacted with him, the more you're like, oh, no, no, no, no. Like, you are just in this for fame and podcasting and now, I guess, Attorney General.
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Crystal Ball
That's definitely the vibe. I have my own, like, personal experience with him. We interviewed him a couple times over at Rising. Some of those times were actually even before soccer was there, when it was myself and Buck Sexton that was co hosting. And I remember one memorable incident in particular where he was quite upset with the tea selection in the green room and started raging at the intern there about how inadequate was and storming around. So that's just kind of the vibe he brings to the table. You know, I saw some people even, like, you know, Matt Stoller was like, oh, look at. He's good on antitrust. And, you know, it's true, he likes Lina Khan. He does genuinely have some, like, outside of the traditional Republican type of views. But that also, in my opinion, is definitely not why he was put in the job. You know, yeah, there's a few things that are going on here. I mean, Trump says he wants retribution, and Matt Gaetz is the type of guy who will deliver for him in that regard. In the first administration, Trump kept asking his White house lawyer, Don McGahn, how can I get the Justice Department to do what I want it to do and basically be a tool for me? And the topic came up so often, according to reporting, that ultimately McGahn and someone else who was in the administration at that point, whose name I'm blanking on, wrote a memo of, like, listen, the Justice Department is supposed to be independent. Here is what you can do, here's what you can't do. And it was. They made a point of not only putting. Sending this memo to Trump, but also leaking it so that there would be a record that they had instilled in him, like, here are the rules and the boundaries, because this was something he was very interested in. What he figured out in the first term eventually, is that even though he couldn't just call Jeff Sessions or whoever was the AG after that and be Like I want you to go after this person that if he said something publicly, then if he had someone who was sufficiently loyal in that position, they would pick up on, he wants me to do X and Y and Z. And so John Kerry was one of the people, I don't even remember what this beef was over at this point, but was one of the people that had pissed him off. And so he talked about that publicly. The Justice Department started investigating John Kerry. Jim Comey was another one, of course. So that was how he did that in the first administration. This time around, he's got a guy who's gonna be even more, who already really knows who Trump would want him to go after. The other piece with Matt Gaetz and we could put this next part up on the screen that is significant to note is he immediately resigned his seat in Congress, which is unusual because in two days time the House Ethics Committee was set to vote on releasing what's described as a highly damaging report outlining its investig into Matt Gaetz, according to multiple sources familiar with that probe. So by resigning immediately before that investigation comes out, and again, this is an investigation from a Republican controlled House, he's hoping to short circuit the release of those findings. He had previously himself been investigated by the Justice Department for potential sex trafficking of a minor. No charges were ultimately filed. This ethics investigation is said to be related to that line of inquiry and perhaps some others. One of his colleagues has accused him, one of his Republican colleagues, Senator Mark. What's his name? I always forget his name. Mark.
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Ryan Grim
Mark Wayne Mullen.
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Crystal Ball
Wayne Mullen, yes.
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Ryan Grim
Mark Wayne Mullen. Yeah.
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Crystal Ball
That last name always throws me for a loop. Anyway, he has accused Gaetz of always showing around on the House floor pictures of naked pictures of the women that he's sleeping with and various things of that nature. So that's the type of guy we're talking about here. And the last thing I'll say and then get your reaction, Emily, and see if you agree with that or what you think is going on here is there's been a lot said, of course, about the potential damaging information possible that's out there on Matt Gaetz. In one hand, that seems like that could be a problem for him with his colleagues. Obviously they don't like him already. This report could still come out. You only need one Republican on the committee to actually vote for it to come out and join the Democrats. For there to be a majority for it to be released could also very easily be leaked. But the other piece of that is if you're Trump and you know, some damaging information about Matt Gaetz that also gives you an insurance policy that this person is gonna do exactly what you want them to do, or else you have this damaging information that you also could very easily release.
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Ryan Grim
That's a really smart point, actually. I didn't even think about that because it would make sense that Trump would want total compliance in an Attorney General role. Obviously, like you said, Gates already kind of knows the types of people that Donald Trump would wanna go after. And this is one of the big debates in the Republican world, period, right now, is what to do with lawfare and a second Trump administration. Because this sort of consensus position is that you have to fight fire with fire. So if they're going to go after Donald Trump with the fire of their own law fare, Comey is a really good example of this. I mean, I think there were some pretty obviously objectionable things, even some people on the left.
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Crystal Ball
Oh, I agree with that.
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Ryan Grim
I mean, it was outrageous, some of the things that James Comey did. So then the debate now on the right is whether you have your own James Comey. Right. Do you put Comey in here to sort of like, mess who are you gonna spy on those types of things?
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Crystal Ball
Right.
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Ryan Grim
And these questions are like, actually very much being debated. And Matt Gaetz comes down on one side of that debate.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah.
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Ryan Grim
And I think, you know, Lee Fong wrote a piece, actually, it's up in Unheard this morning, about how Matt Gaetz has a. I think it was called the Progressive Populist Case for Matt Gaetz. And I'm reading it, I'm like, actually, Matt Gaetz, really genuinely heterodox. Like, on Syria, on Africa, his policies have been consistent and sort of like libertarian foreign policy type things. And then on the other hand, he's been so good on Lina Khan. Like, just when nobody else is defending Lina Khan, Matt Gaetz will defend Lina Khan. And it's just like, okay, all of that may be true, but he's crazy.
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Crystal Ball
I'm glad I'm not the only one at this table saying that he's crazy. It's like Trump is not mostly ideological. Right. And so if you're trying to parse and think that any of these picks are really about ideology, they're not. They're about who he thinks first. Sometimes it's like who he thinks looks the right part.
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Emily Jashinsky
Right.
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Crystal Ball
And like, who he liked on Fox News or whatever. And with this one, remember, J.D. vance during the campaign said that the Attorney General position was going to be one of the most important ones with this one, I think loyalty, like having someone who is going to be a sycophant who is going to do exactly what he wants him to do, that is the main qualifying position, I don't think had anything to do with Matt Gaetz's position on Lina Khan, because, I mean, Elon Musk, who is.
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Ryan Grim
Although that is relevant at doj.
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Crystal Ball
It is relevant at doj. But, I mean, I would be shocked if Lina Khan stays in her job because you got Elon Musk, who was Trump's biggest funder, and we're about to cover how influential he is in all of this. He is at war with Lina Khan, as are, like, almost the entirety of the billionaire class, quite a few of whom lined up behind Donald Trump. So it would be shocking to me if Trump didn't deliver her head on a platter for a lot of the big donors who are backing him. But the other thing I'll say about Matt Gaetz, I'm curious. Your read on this one, too, Emily, is that when this first came out, people, a lot of people across the political spectrum thought like, well, this is just kind of a ploy. Gates is like a sacrificial lamb to kind of like grease the skids so that other nominees make it through the Senate more easily. Because he's so wild and out there that Republicans in the Senate can show that they have some independence by voting him down, and then it'll make it easier to get the rest of the nominees through. I don't buy that at all. I don't buy that at all. I think Trump. And there's reporting to suggest this now, in fact, I think we might have some reporting on this. But anyway, Mark Caputo reported on it.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah, right.
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Crystal Ball
So Trump is very serious about getting Matt Gaetz in. And if he wants a nominee in, he's gonna get a nominee in. Which is why I always thought, you know, the RFK junior getting floated for, like, you know, some cabinet secretary and people, I won't make it through Senate confirmation, like that doesn't matter. Trump has already gamed out how he can either put people in as acting secretaries, as he's done in the past, or the real plan appears to be to use recess appointments to get anyone through who wouldn't otherwise pass confirmation. And I think it's true that Matt Gaetz would have trouble getting through even this Republican Senate. They have a 53 to 47 seat majority. But if you think of Lisa Collins or Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins, Mitt Romney, there you go. There's Your three.
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Ryan Grim
Well, you just mentioned Mark Wayne Mullen, who is like a conservative slide.
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Crystal Ball
Well, actually, I think he's already come out and said that Trump knows what he's doing. And so don't get me wrong, the overwhelming, like, probably 50 of the 53 senators are likely to back every single one of Trump's picks, no matter how wild they are. But it still does put you on the margins with Matt Gaetz, where he could get voted down going through a Senate confirmation process. But, you know, reportedly, they already have discussed how they're gonna get around that and circumvent that. So I think you can expect Matt Gaetz to be Attorney General of the United States.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah, there was a lot of conversation in conservative circles where people, to your point, Crystal, were sort of shocked by this. And they were like, it must be 4D chess. Like, this must be a way to get Matt Gaetz to be Governor of Florida. So Matt Gaetz drops out of the seat, he becomes governor of Florida. Or it's like you said, greasing the skids. So if you don't wanna vote for Matt Gaetz, that's fine. Make sure you vote for Pete Hegseth. Right. Like, I understand. Okay, Gaetz, I get it. It's Gaetz. But if you're gonna not vote for Gaetz, you are gonna vote for Pete Hegseth. That is part of. He was like a bargaining chip, essentially. And I mean, it's possible, it's a little bit of both, right. That the first and foremost, the reason Donald Trump wanted Matt Gaetz is because he wants Matt Gaetz. And then he realized what maybe puts it over the edge is like, okay, we'll say. People say that's their line in the sand. Well, we can definitely get Pete through then, something like that. But I think it's absolutely true that he wants Attorney General Matt Gaetz. Like, that's the bottom line.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah. And I think if he wants something, he's going to get it. You know, he is firmly. He's never been more in control of this Republican Party. So the voices of resistance that were there on the Republican side back when he came into office in 2016, I think you're going to see a lot. Not that there won't be any, but I think you're going to see a lot less of that. We've got a clip we'll show you later that I think, you know, backs that up. And so. And the other thing that, you know, as someone who's left of center here, looking at the way Republicans operate and the way Trump operates in particular, versus how Democrats operate. Democrats would be. I don't know if they can make it through Senate confirmation. We're gonna try to go ahead and triangulate to the person that we think can make it through. And, you know, about, oh, there's this little rule that might keep us from being able to get it done. And with Trump, it's like, no, I want this thing. I'm gonna find out a way to make it happen. And come hell or high water, like, if I want Matt Gaetz as my Attorney General, Matt Gaetz is gonna be Attorney General. So I think that's probably the way to look at it.
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Ryan Grim
Republicans are very uncomfor. They don't want to. Some are. I mean, there's even. Even conservative Republicans are uncomfortable with it because they were always deferential to Senate procedure and to, like, the kind of traditions. I mean, conservative. But. Nope, not. Not anymore.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah, well, and we're gonna get in a little bit. We now know who the Senate Majority Leader is gonna be. It is not actually the pick that MAGA and Trump wanted, but Trump had already put out this thing of whoever is the Senate Majority Leader has to commit to doing recess appointments. This can get in the weeds. I know, but, you know, the Senate, it's this very prideful institution, and one of their primary responsibilities is advising consent on the nominees and going through this process and questioning them, et cetera, et cetera. And all of the people who were seeking that job immediately when Trump said that, said, no problem. We'll do it. It's all you. And that represents immediate sort of abdication of an important power that they had to Donald Trump. So to me, that's indicative of the tone and the, you know, the power dynamics that you're likely to see throughout this administration.
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Crystal Ball
Gates is not the only big very interesting pick that we got yesterday. Let's go ahead and put a 1C up on the screen. Tulsi Gabbard has been tapped to serve as Trump's Director of National Intelligence. Of course Tulsi was previously a Democrat, previously very critical of Trump and his foreign policy. She said famously like being Saudi Arabia's bitch is not America first. A tweet which apparently still up to this day Emily which is kind of an incredible state in and of itself.
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Ryan Grim
Does she at Kushner?
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Crystal Ball
I think it was implied it was a sub tweet. Sub tweet.
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Ryan Grim
Amazing.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah. So anyway she's going to be Director of National Intelligence. She also had there was some indication that she was herself being surveilled under the Biden administration when she was moving through airports, she was like being tracked etc. So what do you make of this particular pick?
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Ryan Grim
Well I think it's really fascinating that it's likely now we'll have because recess appointments a great example or the reason why, I mean, Tulsi Gabbard is someone who would actually have a hard time with Senate confirmation. And we may see that happen and we may see a recess appointment in this case. But yeah, to have her and Marco Rubio side by side, I mean, just take both of them on Syria. Just like go back and look at how both of them handled the question of Syria.
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Crystal Ball
Right.
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Ryan Grim
It is. Their foreign policy is distilled into this like perfect contrast. They are so incredibly different from one another that it's amazing to think this is. I mean, DNI is not a joke. Like, that's a very serious position. It's a powerful position. Obviously the same will be said of Secretary of State, so that those two will have those clashing viewpoints. I think a lot of regular Americans will say that's really good. The other possibility is a total mess. It's just a total disaster because nobody can get on the same page. Our allies and enemies are hearing different things from different people and nothing is clear. So again, maybe there's something good that comes from it. I can't think of a modern precedent for having that polarized viewpoints in such high profile positions in such a way that it's your worldview, not just like a policy difference on Syria, for example, but like Syria is a representation of how. I mean, Marco Rubio is an old school cold warrior who has had a shift towards realism. But I wouldn't call him a realist. No, he's had a shift towards realism. He didn't vote for the Ukraine aid package that was in the spring. But as some people have pointed out, he, he really kind of hemmed and hawed about why he didn't vote for it. And there were a lot of different reasons that he gave. He's been fairly supportive of Ukraine. He recently called the war stalemates. He says it needs to come to an end. So at least that's something. But in Latin America he's like old school cold warrior. He obviously was very supportive of older policies in the Middle east, as was Pete Hegseth, by the way, although he seems to have, as Dan Caldwell, Concerned Vets, who worked with him at Concerned Vets has said he shifted. I think Marco Rubio has shifted less than a lot of people on the right.
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Crystal Ball
Am I remembering this correctly? Like just a couple months ago, Tulsi say that Marco Rubio would be a disastrous pick.
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Ryan Grim
In July, she did an interview on Megyn Kelly's show on July 10th and said this is like, this would be a really bad sign and a Big mistake.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah. I mean, Marco Rubio, like, by any reasonable standard is a neocon. Like, you know, I think there's. And Sagre made this point. I think this is an important point. Like, it's one thing for people at this moment, given how clear the issue is on the Republican side of the ledger, to pull back with regard to Ukraine. It's another thing to have been correct from the beginning on things like the Iraq war, on Afghanistan. And the other thing is that Trump himself, there's no indication he is anti war, even as it's possible. And even this is really not clear that he may take a different approach on Ukraine. But like I said, even that is not totally clear because he has been on both sides of that issue as. And this at time hit Joe Biden from the hawkish end of saying, like, you're not doing enough for the Ukrainians. But it's more that some of the critics of the Ukraine war, they're more interested in, hey, we need to keep our powder dry so that we can potentially go to war with China. None of these individuals, Tulsi included. Tulsi has completely shifted her position with regard to Israel. She used to be critical, and now she's completely on board with whatever Israel wants to do. Otherwise, I don't think she would be in this particular position, dare I say, given that, you know, AIPAC seems to have had a lot of influence, whether overt or covert, they've had a lot of influence in terms of the foreign policy related picks.
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Ryan Grim
In particular, his ambassador to Israel is Mike Huckabee. So, I mean, it would be hard for Tulsi Gabbard to have her old positions on Israel.
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Crystal Ball
Yes. And Hegseth is equally like as sort of like, you know, messianic, and has this very like, religiously driven view of Israel. And this is quite unprecedented. I mean, obviously our foreign policy has always been like lockstep with Israel, et cetera, et cetera. But Huckabee is the type where it's not just the Biden administration sort of agreed with Yoav Gallant, who was also, in my view, a maniac, and said that Palestinians are animals, et cetera, et cetera. But he was at least interested in, hey, how do we get our own hostages back? Huckabee and Hegseth are more in line with Ben GVIR and Smotrich that are like, we need to just end this problem once and for all, take over the West Bank. This is our religious fulfillment of religious prophecy. And they're all sort of like, weirdly on the same page with that. So it does represent a shift in that regard. We'll move on to talk a little bit more about Rubio. But I also, one thing I was thinking about, both with regard to the, quote, unquote, deep State and with regard to the Department of Justice, is Trump. The way he portrays these type of picks is like, I'm gonna make sure that justice is done and that it's not weaponized, et cetera. That's not actually what he wants. He wants it to be weaponized the way he wants it to be weaponized now. It's true in the first administration. I think it'll be even more true now. And he's been pretty upfront about that. It's the same thing with things like surveillance, which falls under the Tulsi Gabbard dni, where it's not that he's opposed to mass surveillance, it's not that he's opposed to censorship, it's that he wants it to be applied to his enemies. So things like surveilling any sort of left movement, racial justice, economic justice, certainly the pro Palestine movement, any resurgent Black Lives Matter movement, anything like that, he would be totally cool, if not affirmatively in support of the type of surveillance that's been weaponized against all kinds of activist groups across the board. And we've already seen his positions with regard to censorship. I mean, he wants to deport anyone who is pro Palestine. He wants flag burning to be banned. The list goes on and on. So it's not like he's actually pro First Amendment. He just wants speech restrictions to be applied in the way that serves him and goes against his own political enemies. So I think that's the other thing to keep in mind when we're talking about the powers at dni and there's.
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Ryan Grim
Some Republicans who are really strong on free speech and consistent. Like Thomas Massie.
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Crystal Ball
Absolutely.
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Ryan Grim
Hopefully Tulsi Gabbard. But I mean, I think it's an open question and Rand Paul, but you need one of them. You know what I mean? It's so easy for the others to slip into. This is antisemitic speech. Of course it must be surveilled or of course it's antisemitic. It must be connected to foreign terrorist groups. So of course it falls under this umbrella or it goes into this category of something we have to surveil. So it's just, it's very, very easy for even people who are like anti establishment Republicans to slip. So it's a. I mean, I think that is Also a huge unanswered question. And there, you know, I'm optimistic about Tulsi Gabbard. I'm one of the. Like, I'm still. I still have faith in Tulsi, but we'll see.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah, we will. I mean, the reason I don't is because she's just totally flipped her position on so many issues with no explanation for it. And so, you know, to me, it just seems like she. She made a calculation that her path to having more notoriety, influence, power, et cetera, was just to come on board with Trump and whatever that entailed. And, hey, she played her cards right. Worked out for her.
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Ryan Grim
I'd rather have a Trump administration with Tulsi Gabbard and Marco Rubio than. And I like Marco Rubio, honestly, but then just Marco Rubio. You know what I mean? Like, it just makes me more comfortable as an American that there's at least some divergence on really critical issues. And yes, I think Gabbard has changed her mind on some key things, but some of those have been. I mean, I just don't have a sense that maybe other than Israel, she's had a fundamental shift in her worldview on foreign policy in a way that would put her in line with a Marco Rubio. So I think we could be in for some really interesting disagreements in the Trump administration.
- [28:49]
Crystal Ball
Yeah, we'll see. We'll see how this all plays out. It is definitely going to be interesting. We've referenced this already. We could put a 2 up on the screen. Marco Rubio. It is official in for Secretary of State. Emily, what happened here? Because this got reported and there was kind of a freak out on the MAGA side because he is a neocon. And Lil. Marco Trump himself had very critical words of him to say in the past about how he'd be Sheldon Adelson's puppet, et cetera, et cetera. How far we've come from those days. Anyway, there was a delay in the release of this name on the Trump side. There was some suggestion that, like, Tucker was flying down to talk to him and there was this whole coalescing of all these people were gonna try to talk him out of putting Marco Rubio in its date. But ultimately Marco Rubio is in its date. So what do you make of all of that? What can you say about that?
- [29:41]
Ryan Grim
I mean, I think it was. So the Rubio people were really confident from the beginning. So I think they. And someone was confident obviously enough to leak it to Maggie Haberman. Right. But that said, even after it's leaked to the New York Times. There's a series of days where Donald Trump makes all of these other major announcements and of people who are much less orthodox picks than a senator. You know, Pete Hegseth is a good example. And Marco Rubio comes, what, Wednesday night, Wednesday evening, somewhere around there. I mean, yeah, I think there was serious. I think there was an effort to thwart it among people. You know, you probably. People can probably guess who they are. If you remember when Dave Smith tweeted something like, the battle against Mike Pompeo is good, but we have to make sure there are no neocons in this administration. Don Jr. Donald Trump Jr. Quote, tweeted that and said agree 100 yeah, I'm on it. And so I think you could probably read into what happened over the series of days. There were some leaks that it was coming from Rick Grinnell's camp. Rick Grinnell obviously would have wanted a position similar to that. And he doesn't have anything so far. Not dni, not CIA. Those are all things that he was talking about for. Not dod, any of those. Like, it just didn't happen for Rick Grinnell. And I think there probably was. Rick Grinnell said he wasn't the one leaking negative things about Marco Rubio.
- [31:06]
Crystal Ball
But that doesn't mean that it wasn't people in his camp.
- [31:08]
Ryan Grim
It doesn't mean it wasn't people in his camp. And it doesn't mean actually that other whether they were in his camp or not. It doesn't mean that maybe somebody like Donald Trump Jr. Or Tucker Carlson weren't lobbying really hard for basically anyone but Marco Rubio or, or John Bolton, obviously, but basically anyone other than Marco Rubio, because they see him as a pretty like that's a holdover from the previous Republican Party on foreign policy.
- [31:34]
Crystal Ball
Right. And so the fact that he gets chosen anyway, in spite of that kind of relatively organized effort to block him, what do you think that that indicates about who has influence?
- [31:46]
Ryan Grim
Yeah, I mean, I think that tells you exactly what's going to happen in this administration that, you know, do you.
- [31:51]
Crystal Ball
Read into that Susie Wiles or Susie Wiles?
- [31:54]
Ryan Grim
Probably Susie Wiles. Susie Wiles, by the way, has been affiliated with Mercury, which is like the swampiest lobbying firm in D.C. we're talking.
- [32:04]
Crystal Ball
Pharma, all the bad guys.
- [32:05]
Ryan Grim
And it was who Paul Manafort was lobbying for when he was lobbying on behalf of the party of regions in Ukraine, he was doing through Mercury. And so there's just a lot of, I think, donor class baggage that comes with, with Lacvita And Susie Wiles. And I wonder actually if the announcement of Tulsi as dni, which came out either right before or right after Rubio, maybe right after the Rubio announcement, was part of that push and pull with Don Jr. Tucker Carlson and others saying.
- [32:37]
Crystal Ball
Like, okay, well, at least give us. Throw us a bone here, basically.
- [32:40]
Ryan Grim
Throw us a bone. Right? Yeah. So I kind of wonder if that's what happened in all of the infighting, because what was because happening over the course of this week. I had a source who was very knowledgeable about the transition who said the Trump people don't fully trust Tulsi Gabbard. Ryan and I talked about this yesterday. That's not Trump himself, but Trump world doesn't fully trust Tulsi Gabbard. And so she was kind of on the chopping block. Rubio, I think, absolutely was on the chopping block. Just, it seemed like Trump was pretty set on the pick, but there was still intense fighting among Don Jr. And others. So I don't know if Rubio, maybe. This is an interesting part of the story. If Rubio indicated that his foreign policy was shifting more than maybe publicly. We've seen his foreign policy shift in a way that made them feel comfortable, but it's hard to imagine. I mean, those guys are aligned basically with the Tulsi Gabbard ideology. And I don't know how Rubio could have indicated anything to them that would say he was really in that category.
- [33:36]
Crystal Ball
Yeah. And the thing is, with Trump, if he actually takes like an interest in something and has a clear ideological position, everyone's gonna fall in line with whatever it is he want. It's just that he doesn't always have. And then it becomes, okay, what are the voices in the room saying? What are the options that are being presented? And we've seen him be very kind of malleable in the past based on who happens to be around him, et cetera, on something that isn't core. So in any case, to me, that was an interesting indication of the way some of these intra MAGA battles are playing out. And when Susie Wiles was first named Chief of Staff, I was a little bit surprised by that, to be honest with you. But I also was surprised that there wasn't concern over that in MAGA world, because the thought was like, oh, she's just an apparatchic. She's just non ideological. There's no such thing in this town. There's no such thing as non ideological. Non ideological basically defaults to whatever the sort of mainstream conventional wisdom is. And so I think perhaps her fingerprints and her influence seems to be on some of these picks. But also Trump is a big boy and makes up his own mind. And I always get irritated when people are like it's the fault of this person, it's the fault of that person. It's like this is the man that was elected president of the United States. He's had years to think about who he wants in these positions. He's making up his own mind. So he also deserves direct blame credit, however you wanna look at it, for the picks that he is ultimately putting forward. Rubio certainly another one in the Miriam Adelson very pleased with this pick as well. He's been extremely aggressive and hawkish, you know, on the side of Israel. There was report Michael Tracy tweeted out Israeli media apparently quote, unquote, dancing the horror in Netanyahu's office over Trump filling his administration with quote, old school Republicans. Not exactly music to the ears of people like Tucker Carlson or Dave Smith et al. Let's go ahead and take a listen to a little bit of that.
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Crystal Ball
Mike, just in the past hour, the.
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- [35:42]
Crystal Ball
And I don't want to exaggerate and say that Israel, the government here and.
- [35:45]
Sagar Enjeti
Its supporters are breathing a sigh of.
- [35:47]
Crystal Ball
Relief over these picks.
- [35:49]
Sagar Enjeti
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- [36:11]
Unknown Speaker
Not just breathing a sigh of relief, Kyle, they're dancing the horror right now at the prime minister's office with these selections by Donald Trump. I mean, we were expecting some isolationists possibly in those positions or maybe some who lean at least a little bit toward Trump's new foreign policy. And the MAGA foreign policy hasn't been that case at all. I mean, Rubio and Mike Waltz are in the mold of old school Republicans on policy, both pro Israel stalwarts to the hilt. They'll challenge anybody who views the situation otherwise. I mean, you couldn't have selected two better picks. I think if you're sitting in the prime minister's office right now and Elise Stefanik will be a firebrand at the United Nations. She already told Isaac Herzog in a meeting this morning that she'll have Israel's back there. We didn't expect otherwise, but always good to hear that if you're within the Israeli government and if very problematic institution like the U.N. by the way, Marco Rubio told us last Tuesday at Donald Trump's watch party on election night that he would, with the Republicans taking over the Senate, not knowing then that he would be nominated likely for Secretary of State. He said that the Republican Senate should take up defunding more UN agencies that he feels are either in cahoots with Hamas or turn a blind eye to those terror organizations that operate in Gaza and elsewhere.
- [37:31]
Crystal Ball
So Miriam definitely getting our money's worth with a cabinet that is quite Israel first. So. And the.
- [37:37]
Ryan Grim
Was he trying to sabotage them? You could have scripted that in a way that would like actually piss off MAGA more.
- [37:46]
Crystal Ball
He was like, none of that MAGA foreign policy here. Old school Republican.
- [37:51]
Ryan Grim
Old school Republican. He's like, they're totally from the Old school Republican mold. Like, very, very reassuring.
- [37:57]
Crystal Ball
Yeah. Yep. Well, there you go. Mary Madison gave him $100 million and there were quite a few other donors in that camp, the Bill Ackmans of the world, whatever, who, you know, wanted a certain thing from the foreign policy team. And they certainly got it. Certainly got it.
- [38:11]
Ryan Grim
And it's also just Marco Rubio surrounds himself with people who actually are genuinely more realist. He's obviously been New Right on populist economics. So just being in that category means that his milieu is more New Right than it is old right. So. And he's, you know, had some kind of, he said some interesting things about Ukraine that have indicated, as we were talking about before, a possible shift. But clearly, clearly if that were more evident, if there was much more of a shift, you would not see that.
- [38:41]
Crystal Ball
The other thing that's worth noting too, and then we'll move on to the Senate stuff, but this will be a good transition to that. Rubio is one of the more interesting people in economics. He's more, you know, in terms of economics. He is more clearly in that New Right camp, as of course is J.D. vance. Neither one of them will be in the Senate anymore, leaving very few remaining there that have anything other than kind of like old school doctrinaire Republican views.
- [39:12]
Ryan Grim
Yeah.
- [39:12]
Crystal Ball
So, I mean, that's another significance of pulling him out of that role and putting him into the role where his ideology is is the worst.
- [39:19]
Ryan Grim
Yeah, there's some people who are on the New Right in particular who are now really starting to worry about the Senate because Rubio in advance were very, very key in that new coalition of at least on the economic front, especially on the economic front.
- [39:33]
Crystal Ball
It's better over here.
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Crystal Ball
Let's talk about the Senate. Put a four up on the screen so Magga's choice, Trump's Choice Tucker Carlson's choice was Rick Scott and he got third in terms of Senate majority vote. It was a secret vote. John Thune ultimately wins with 23 votes. Cornyn got second with 15. Rick Scott comes in third at 13. I'm quite sure if this was not a secret ballot, the results would be very different. But break down some of these dynamics for us, Emily.
- [42:09]
Ryan Grim
Yeah, so this was. And Ryan and I talked about this yesterday as the vote was happening.
- [42:14]
Crystal Ball
Right.
- [42:15]
Ryan Grim
Which is like. It was. It was amazing. I mean, this entire process has been a mess, but Rick Scott for years has been laying the groundwork essentially, to step into the vacuum, knowing that McConnell was ailing, which is another thing that was kind of kept quiet for a long time. I was talking to someone last night who works on the Hill and takes pictures on the Hill and was saying basically that McConnell doesn't like to be photographed in his wheelchair.
- [42:38]
Crystal Ball
Wow.
- [42:39]
Ryan Grim
And he is often in a wheelchair now. So a lot of people in the Senate knew that this was coming, and Rick Scott saw that, started laying the groundwork for it. Cornyn and thune are big McConnell allies. So MAGA World Donald Trump Jr. Tweeted, I mean, this was like a year ago, maybe less than a year ago. We cannot let Cornyn and Thune take over the senate after Mitch McConnell leaves. He flat out said that. And now, obviously, Jon Thune has won this race. So conservatives got behind the Rick Scott bid. Like MAGA people got behind the Rick Scott bid because Rick Scott said. Agreed with Mike Lee, that they needed to do some of these procedural changes to the way the Senate worked. Some of that was like pulling back Harry Reid's centralization of power, which people could debate the internal inside baseball Senate mechanisms, but it was that. It was also just like, come out with a clear plan for your policy goals every year. Like some fairly unobjectionable things, but that Republican leadership is hesitant to do because they don't wanna be bossed around by the. What did John McCain say? The cuckoo birds, remember this was back in 2014, that Ted Cruz, Mike Lee and Ryan Paul.
- [43:47]
Crystal Ball
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [43:48]
Ryan Grim
They don't want to be bossed around by people like that. They want to do what they want to do. And so Rick Scott became the very problematic figurehead of what I think is a good movement, because Rick Scott has all kinds of corporate baggage. He has all kinds of, like, he's just not a charming spokesman.
- [44:03]
Crystal Ball
He's like a Medicare fraudster.
- [44:05]
Ryan Grim
Yep, yep. And not a charming spokesman at all for, you know, he doesn't make deals. He's not one of those people. Like, even there's some MAGA people who you can hate the swamp and you can still be good at. At, like, operating. You can still be Good at, like, actually negotiating.
- [44:22]
Crystal Ball
Yeah.
- [44:22]
Ryan Grim
Rick Scott is not seen as one of those people at all, and for good reason. He's sort of prickly. And so everyone gets behind Rick Scott. But knowing that Rick Scott doesn't have a shot in hell because people don't really like him that much, they started to MAGA conservatives started to work on John Cornyn and started to try to get concessions out of John Cornyn and say, all right, you know, Cornyn, you know that you need us, so why don't you just say. Or why don't you just, like, give us a little bit of these procedural differences? He became a Kevin McCarthy figure. That's how Kevin McCarthy became Speaker. Sort of giving a little to the Freedom Caucus.
- [44:59]
Crystal Ball
Right.
- [45:00]
Ryan Grim
That's what Mike Lee was asking for. And Cornyn went along with it. Cornyn lost. And it was obviously. I mean, there was this sort of splitting the vote between Scott and Cornyn. So I think most people didn't want Jonathan. But one of my sources who was working on this gave a pretty good quote yesterday when I asked basically what happened? How did Thune edge out Cornyn and Scott? The source said, quote, handing out committee assignments like Candy and activating K Street. The conference has been clear. This person said that they want reforms and expect them. Jonathan did not win by an overwhelming margin. He's edged out Corner by five votes. He has a mandate, but barely. He's going to have to shake up the status quo to retain the trust of the conference. So we will see if Jon Thune feels that pressure and gives in to some of these things, like having four weeks of debate before an omnibus, which I think everyone should say, like, yeah, that's great. Four weeks of debate before we spend billions of dollars in all of these different ways. That sounds good. I wouldn't be super optimistic that he'll do that, though.
- [45:58]
Crystal Ball
Yeah. I mean, from Trump's perspective, I think he just wanted someone who he felt would be guaranteed to do what he wants them to do.
- [46:07]
Ryan Grim
Yeah, absolutely.
- [46:07]
Crystal Ball
And he felt the most confident that Rick Scott would be that person. And again, and to try to parse the ideology is a waste of time in a lot of ways, because ideologically, you can correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think the three of these guys have much ideological difference. I mean, Rick Scott is not on the new Right. He put out the Republican policy priorities for the midterm elections that were a disaster for them because it called for sunsetting every single federal government program, including Social Security and Medicare. Every. What was it Three years or something like that. And it was an albatross around the necks of Republican. He's just. He's a standard issue, Reagan type conservative as far as economics go, as are all three of these. So I think it was more about for Trump, you know, which one do I feel the most confident is gonna be the most loyal to me? My guess, looking from the outside at how all of this is gonna go, is that Trump has such a hold on the party now and has such a clear track record of punishing anyone who crosses him, that probably Jon Thune is gonna do whatever Trump wants him to do. When Trump decides to wade into these debates, and I think that's the part that maybe separates the three of them, is that Trump doesn't always wade into these. So there's a lot you can do behind the scenes that he's not really paying that close attention to. And perhaps that's where the difference comes. But on anything that actually is important to Donald Trump, like all three, and the indication to me is all three of these men immediately when Trump was like, like, I want recess appointments. We're like, no problem, we'll do recess appointments. Which again, is handing a gigantic part of their power over to the executive branch.
- [47:42]
Ryan Grim
Although one point that I think is interesting, just as a hypothetical to test is what does John Thune do when Donald Trump. If Donald Trump. We don't know this yet because we don't know much about what he would actually do when it comes to Ukraine, but when Donald Trump wants to pair Ukraine funding to a border thing that won't get through, or when Donald Trump wants to actually force Ukraine to the table and the aid becomes conditional or something like that. John thune is a McConnell ally and Mitch McConnell is still in the Senate, and Mitch McConnell is tied into the donor class that is deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply, deeply supportive of Zelensky in Ukraine. And that is their red line. And I'm genuinely. I think it's a pretty interesting hypothetical. I agree that I think John Thune will go along with a lot of the Trump agenda. But there are certain things that are such red lines for the donor class. We don't know if Trump will test those boundaries, but if he does, I actually wonder what would happen. I don't know, because Jon Thune is so deeply enmeshed in K Street, the donor class, McConnell World, the Old school Republican Party, and their red lines are so bright. Let's say Donald Trump decides to do something heterodox in Ukraine, maybe he would do something weird on Israel. Maybe Tulsi Gabbard does something that they find objectionable. These are all just random hypotheticals. And if they happened, I don't know that Thune might put up a fight because he's just so entangled with McConnell world. So we'll see. But I think generally I agree that he'll, he'll be pretty. What's the best word? Compliant.
- [49:10]
Crystal Ball
Yes. Pliable. Pliable, yes. All right, let's also. So we don't have to play this up, but it is worth noting, this is a five. You don't have to play it though, that he did say he's going to keep the filibuster in place. We'll see if that maintains. But that's the current positioning. I imagine there may be some pressure to get rid of that. But there's also a lot of mechanisms you can use like budget reconciliation that allows you to get through what you want using a majority vote. You know, Democrats did some of that when they were in office, but they also would be like, oh, the parliamentarian said we couldn't do, blah, blah, blah. I don't think that the Republicans will have that same like, oh, the rules the parliamentarian ruled we can't do. So there's still a lot they can get done with a 53 seat majority.
- [49:52]
Ryan Grim
They're pushing reconciliation right away. Like that has to be first 100 day pass the priorities through reconciliation border priorities. Like put it all in there. So that'll definitely happen.
- [50:01]
Crystal Ball
Absolutely. The other thing that David Sirota, always with his eye on the ball. You guys should be subscribing to Lever News because they do great work. I don't care where you are on the ideological spectrum. Put this up on the screen. Thuden is like an actual lobbyist. Yes, that was his profession before he was in the Senate. He was a lobbyist. And Sirota says less than two years after the East Palestine disaster, Republicans have now made their new leaders leader. A former railroad lobbyist who helped block rail safety legislation. So he is a swamp creature. I don't think there is any denying.
- [50:34]
Ryan Grim
That he was the problem on that JD Vance Sherrod Brown bill. Jonathan was a huge, hugely problematic. What's the phrase gumming up the works for that bill.
- [50:50]
Crystal Ball
Gotcha. The other thing, last piece and then we'll get to what Trump's meeting with Biden is. You know, this is indicative of how I think most of this is going to operate on the Hill. Whether it's people who were at some point adversarial to different Donald Trump priorities. Trump has cemented his full control of this party. Congressman Troy Neals had a memorable quote about this. Let's take a listen.
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- [51:31]
Crystal Ball
Okay, sure.
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Ryan Grim
I mean, that's, that's.
- [51:34]
Crystal Ball
Whatever his goals are. Doesn't matter.
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Ryan Grim
It's what a lot of the MAGA base wants. It's exactly what the MAGA base wants to hear. And it's a great reminder that there is no MAGA without Donald Trump, meaning he is the ideology. And you know, normally what you would say is whatever you know is, you know, what the Tea Party wants. That's what we want. You know, it's different when you're saying when this one individual wants, that's what we want. He is the ideology of maga.
- [51:58]
Crystal Ball
Yeah, I mean, this is. Yeah, that's exactly right. And so it's a very honest statement. And while others would have too much shame to say it quite as overtly as this gentleman did, that is, that is the operating sentiment among the vast majority of the Republican Party at this point.
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Crystal Ball
Interesting meeting that happened yesterday between the current President and the once and future President. We can go ahead and take a look at this Joe Biden meeting with Donald Trump there, fireplace ablaze in in the background and seemed quite friendly. I was enjoying himself certainly. Look at Joe Bide Biden man, big old smile on his face. Seems happy and relaxed. There's a photo op afterwards, everybody getting together for a nice picture. What do you think?
- [54:45]
Ryan Grim
Fire is a metaphor, right? Crystal? Because if we go back and we.
- [54:49]
Crystal Ball
Look at fire of that relationship, right?
- [54:51]
Ryan Grim
Burning bright, burning bright, burning furious. I know we're gonna have a Also if you're watching this, we're gonna play the video of Obama and Trump's meeting, which was so much colder and literally must have been colder because there was no fire burning in that same fireplace.
- [55:05]
Crystal Ball
That's so true.
- [55:07]
Ryan Grim
I mean the photo shot, the photo shoot that they did with Jill Biden, I actually thought was at first I was like this looks like AI right? When I saw the pictures because they were so friendly and warm and a lot of people. Crystal, I don't know what your take is on this, but a lot of people were looking at this, at least in the online discourse. And being like this makes me so mad because you were calling Trump a fascist, the end of democracy. He was being compared to Nazis. He was saying you were pushing the story about how he wanted generals like Hitler. The DNC projected that onto Madison Square Garden. So now you're welcoming him with this Beautiful, warm fire and a friendly smile that is just as warm as the fire into the Oval Office and acting like it's business as usual. Feels like you were just messing with us to get our votes. Yeah, well, that's serious about it.
- [55:58]
Crystal Ball
That's the thing to be enraged about, whether you're on the right or the left. Because from my perspective, Donald Trump does have a fascist ideology and attempts to operate as such, and Joe Biden is the person. I mean, in a way, it's perfect because Joe Biden is the person most proximately responsible for ushering Donald Trump back into the White House. So why shouldn't it be warm and friendly? His ass should have gotten out after one term, and there should have been a Democratic primary and a Democratic process. And instead, even as he was so, so addled that he was unable to even host, like, a leadership meeting of Congressional Democrats without Nancy Pelosi having to rush in and save him because he forgot where he was and what he was even supposed to be doing, he still was so arrogant that he thought he needed to run again and have another four year term in the White House, even though it's preposterous that he's even the president right now, given his condition. So in a sense, it's like, yeah, this is kind of perfect because you are the person who helped get this man right back where he was before. Even though your previous stated goal and what you thought was gonna be your legacy was the one thing that Joe Biden was nominated by Democrats to do in 2020 was to end the Trump era. And instead, you have extended it. So, hey, there you go, enjoying the fruits of your labor, Joe Biden. Great work.
- [57:20]
Ryan Grim
Totally. And I'm loving the memes that Brandon is a secret Trump supporter. Right. This has all been.
- [57:26]
Crystal Ball
He does look happy.
- [57:27]
Ryan Grim
Elaborate ruse.
- [57:28]
Crystal Ball
He does look happy, like when he.
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Ryan Grim
Put the Trump hat on.
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Crystal Ball
And I don't think he understands because his brain doesn't function that, like, he thinks he's been proven right by the fact that Kamala lost.
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Ryan Grim
Yes.
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Crystal Ball
He thinks people are looking at this because I'm sure this is what his aides are telling him and his wife and whoever Hunter. That you would have won, Pops, you would have done it. And everybody sees that now. Everybody regrets that they didn't. No. The reality is, as the pod save dudes revealed, you are headed to a 400 electoral college vote loss. Like a dramatic sweeping right now. It's like, okay, they lost every battleground state, but it was close. It was like a couple hundred Thousand votes. All right, we could get back in it. Blah, blah, blah. We held onto most of our Senate swing state seats outside of Bob Casey, like, okay, but if it was 400 electoral college voters, you're talking a supermajority in the Senate, very likely, you're talking massive House margins. You're talking like, just, it's over. It's over, over, over. Just to show you the contrast with the Obama Trump visit, which I think also is just symbolic too, of this isn't Trump's first time in Washington. Like, this is normal now. And there are a lot of young Americans for whom, you know, in terms of their cognizant life, the Trump era is really all they know. So let's take a look at the very different vibe of Obama and Trump together during that transition. Transition. Most of all, I want to emphasize to you, Mr. President Elect, that we.
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Ryan Grim
Now are going to want to do.
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Crystal Ball
Everything we can to help you succeed, because if you succeed, then the country succeeds. Please. Well, thank you very much, President Obama.
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Sagar Enjeti
This was a meeting that was going.
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Crystal Ball
To last for maybe 10 or 15 minutes and we were just going to.
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Sagar Enjeti
Get to know each other. We had never met each other.
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Crystal Ball
I have great respect. The meeting lasted for almost an hour and a half and it could have.
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Ryan Grim
As far as I'm concerned, it could.
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Unknown Speaker
Have gone on for a lot longer.
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Crystal Ball
We really, we discussed a lot of different situations. Some wonderful and some difficulties. I very much look forward to dealing with the president in the future, including counter. So anyway, no fire blazing there. Very obviously much different body language for those who read into all of those things. And the vibe, very different.
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Ryan Grim
And I like your point that for a lot of young Americans, this is perfectly normal now. And for the last 10 years now, this is. Donald Trump has been normalized.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah. This is, this is politics in America now.
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Ryan Grim
The host of the celebrity. I will never get numb to the host of the Celebrity Apprentice being the president. Going straight from the Celebrity Apprentice to the President of the United States, partially because Democrats insisted on Hillary Clinton and then insisted on Joe Biden.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah. And I think of the many takeaways and autopsies and whatever, it's not maybe the most important point, but one important point is like, this is the era that we're living in. And so just now trying some blow dried like Pete Buttigieg or Gavin Newsom or whatever and thinking that's gonna be the answer to your prayers.
- [60:38]
Ryan Grim
Blow dried.
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Crystal Ball
True. Right.
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Emily Jashinsky
Uh.
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Crystal Ball
Oh. You know what I mean by that? Well coiffed. Yeah. I mean like that. Very like Buttoned up, politiciany, like, very smooth on Fox News or whatever that liberals fall in love with. But, you know, Trump is obnoxious and divisive and he puts on a show and he goes out there and rants and raves about, you know, people's dick size and Hannibal Lecter and whatever.
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Ryan Grim
By the way, nobody has talked about how Hannibal Lecter. Nobody's talked about him for Attorney General, and nobody's talked about how he's the big winner of this election. Because I remember a couple of months ago, NPR did like a half hour long show about how weird it was.
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Crystal Ball
That Donald Trump was, was using this in every rally.
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Ryan Grim
Of course it was weird, but like, who cares in the scheme of things?
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Crystal Ball
And Democrats are still out there. Like, let me focus group test my way. Like, do you watch this man?
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Ryan Grim
Yeah.
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Crystal Ball
Do you see what he does? Do you think that he went through Hannibal Lecter focus groups? Well, no, literally, no. No. That is not how politics works, at least not in this era. So take some cues here. Learn some lessons.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah. And just the last thought on all of this is I blamed Democrats for their failures in allowing the host of Celebrity Apprentice to become president. But it's also Republicans. Donald Trump is right in his diagnosis of many, many of the problems in the Republican Party. And because Republicans don't have viable alternatives to Donald Trump, you keep getting Trump too. So it's just. It's the system. We get the system we deserve.
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Crystal Ball
We get the culture and the system and everything we deserve. All right, well, speaking. Speaking of who's in control and what era we're in, I mean, in a lot of ways, this is Elon Musk's era as well. We can put this up on the screen. Apparently, reportedly from a couple different outlets, there's starting to be some heartburn among the Trump staff with Elon Musk's described near constant presence at Mar a Lago. One person said he's behaving as if he is a co president in making sure everyone, everyone knows it. There is no indication, though, that Trump himself is irritated with Elon. I mean, it would make sense to. I would not be surprised if at some point Trump does get irritated with Elon, especially if he feels like he's hogging too much of the spotlight, taking too much credit for things that Trump thinks he should be getting credit for, et cetera. So I could certainly see that break coming. But this reporting suggests more that internally, some of the other people who would be jockeying for position around Trump are pissed off at how much influence Elon has. Is that the way you read it to.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah, I think it. And it could just be that the sources to NBC are a few people who have been really put off by this and there are other people who haven't said anything about it. I think that's the case with some of these stories is it gets the temperature of a group of people who are, like, upset, and then they tell the reporter to talk to their friend who they know is also upset, and then that person sends them to one other person. And it could be limited to a small group of people.
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Crystal Ball
Certainly possible.
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Ryan Grim
Yeah. Although it's also entirely possible that Elon Musk has turned Donald Trump off or still will turn Donald Trump off because you fly too close to the sun. And we've seen it happen with Trump that he Really, I mean, J.D. vance has handled this fairly deftly, that like, you really do not want to look in any way whatsoever like you were taking credit, like you are the brains behind the operation that infuriates Donald Trump. So it would. It wouldn't surprise me if that had started to rub Trump or people close to Trump in the wrong way. It also wouldn't surprise me if this was limited to, like, I don't know, Susie Wiles or someone like that and her allies.
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Crystal Ball
To me, the way I read these comments, one of the things they said is that Elon's sure taken lots of credit for the president's victory. Bragging about America, PAC and X to anyone who will listen, trying to make President Trump feel indebted to him. And the president is indebted to no one. I read those comments as someone wanting Trump to see those comments and get pissed off. Right?
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Ryan Grim
I think that's right.
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Crystal Ball
An attempt to try to create that division, which probably is inevitable given, you know, I mean, to narcissists, eventually there's going to be some source of conflict. I would be surprised if that didn't.
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Ryan Grim
Happen at some point, especially with what seems to be right now a very fluid moment in Elon Musk's sort of ideological journey in that after Donald Trump was assassinated, like he had been giving significant money, we now assassinate, attempted assassination, still alive, still with us, very much so that Elon Musk was formally endorsing him. But we now know he had been giving a lot of money to Ron DeSantis in the past. And so we also know he had been, like, fairly aligned with Democrats in the past.
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Crystal Ball
Now, he previously thought that Trump was completely unacceptable to be in the presidency.
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Ryan Grim
And not just because he was like a never Trump Republican, but because he, I mean, this is a Tesla guy. Like, he has, like we heard them talking about climate change that one time on the X Space when Donald Trump. It was just a wild, total cartoonish conversation that they were having. But they do have some differences. It just seems like Elon Musk, in this ideological journey that he's on, is becoming more and more ideologically aligned with Trump himself. Like Donald Trump as an ideology, like we were just talking about. As like Donald Trump is the ideology of maga. It seems like Musk is becoming more and more aligned with that. Even so, though, he's not fully there. I mean, they don't agree on 100% of the thing. So you could see there being a break for a number of different reasons, or you could see Elon Musk just saying, the stakes are so high. That's why I put literally so much money behind this election. I'm going to go along to get along and I'll be able to be playing in the little sandbox with Vivek and overseeing what kinds of stuff my competitors might benefit from. I mean, it is just like such oligarchic behavior.
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Crystal Ball
Absolutely.
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Ryan Grim
Just like peak oligarch.
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Crystal Ball
I'm gonna talk a little bit more about this in my monologue, so I'll save some of my commentary for there. But I just want those of you, my friends on the right, imagine if it was George Soros who was. We can put this next piece up on the screen. Elon went with Trump to his first post election meeting with the House Republican Conference. Imagine if Kamala got elected and she had her little George Soros babysitter. Babysitter. Her oligarch billionaire babysitter running around with her to all of her important meetings. And there are some rumors and I think it's appropriate for people to take this also as a sort of threat. We can put the next piece up on the screen that Elon is threatening to fund primary challenges against any House Republican who dares to step out from Trump's agenda. And I don't know if that rumor is true, but I certainly believe that's the message that is being sent to House and Senate Republicans. You've got the richest man on the planet who has tens of billions of dollars in federal government contractors. His companies are some of the largest Pentagon contractors. So he's got a lot of incentive to make sure that Trump gets his way. Because when Trump gets his way, Elon gets his way. And for him to be there acting as sort of like enforcer and threat again. Just imagine if the shoe was on the other foot, and it was Kamala with George Soros or Bill Gates or whatever billionaire you want to imagine who was your worst nightmare. No one voted for Elon Musk, right? He is not elect and yet he has this incredibly powerful position and a lot directly at stake, not just in terms of those government contracts, in terms of, hey, what happens with the EV subsidies? How are those managed? Hey, he's got a number of his companies have different regulatory issues with the federal government and under investigation from things like, you know, labor violations and environmental potential violations. And so there he has, putting aside any ideological project, which I think he has as well, an ideological project, but even putting that aside, he himself has more at risk in, you know, with federal government contracts and regulations than probably any other person on the planet.
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Ryan Grim
I agree with that completely. And we have more at risk as a country from his companies, which in some cases, like Space X is an amazing company. You turn to Neuralink. I think it's a totally different conversation about the benefits of Neuralink and some of those companies.
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Crystal Ball
That's now point.
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Ryan Grim
I would rather have Elon Musk than, to his credit, I'd rather have Elon Musk than either like Charles Koch or George Soros, partially because of something he tweeted very early this morning Crash when somebody said some are calling Elon the George Soros of the right. That's not really accurate. He's more like 44 George Soros of the right. Alongside their two net worths juxtaposed and.
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Crystal Ball
Based on their giving and their influence in this election in particular, there really is no. Kamala has plenty of billionaires back here. I don't want to make it seem like she doesn't, but there is really no parallel for the level of influence and, and infiltration of the Elon Musk with the Trump campaign.
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Ryan Grim
So Musk responded to that tweet, oh, really? At 1:15am and said more accurate would be that I'm quote George Soros of the middle. I don't want the pendulum to swing too far right, but right now it's just too far left. And like, this is a guy who, you know, a couple of hours later was, quote, tweeting Glenn Greenwald. He's just a. I like again, to his credit, I find him to be a genuinely interesting ideological figure. I find him to be objectionable as an all and someone who's clearly using his business empire to, I would say, influence public policy beyond the bounds of what's fair and just. But at the same time, at least he's being honest about it. Whereas we throw awards at the Kochs and George Soros and honor them for their influence over public policy instead of being like, wow, this is corrupt.
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Crystal Ball
Another thing that is going to be interesting is if Trump is less hawkish vis a vis China this time around, because Elon has massive financial interests and, you know, good relationships with the Chinese government. So, you know, from my perspective, that could be a benefit of Elon having, you know, again, I object to the oligarch babysitter concepts out of principle, but that doesn't mean that there might be some areas where I'm like, okay, well, that's actually better if we're not trying to start a war with China right now.
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Ryan Grim
And I know this isn't any conservatives priority, but just on the question of principle, like, if you're somebody that's upset about electric vehicles, you don't like electric vehicles and you think that the government has been unduly subsidizing electric vehicles and you think that that's green corruption. Elon Musk is the man behind that. Like, he's been the architect of that with Tesla. And Donald Trump has changed his position on electric vehicles because of Elon Musk.
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Crystal Ball
Dissatisfied Elon Musk.
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Ryan Grim
And this is again, the difference between Trump and Elon is like. Or the difference between Trump and Elon and other politicians is Trump has come out and said he's literally changed his position on electric vehicles because Elon has been giving him a lot of money. Board.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah.
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Crystal Ball
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