12/15/25: Brown University Shooting, Hero Disarms Bondi Shooter, Rob Reiner Killed, Insane New Epstein Images

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Episode: 12/15/25: Brown University Shooting, Hero Disarms Bondi Shooter, Rob Reiner Killed, Insane New Epstein Images
Date: December 15, 2025
Hosts: Ryan Grim (filling in), Murtaza Hussain
Producer: iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

This episode covers an intense and somber array of breaking news, including a tragic shooting at Brown University, a mass shooting at a Hanukkah gathering in Bondi Beach, the shocking killing of Hollywood legend Rob Reiner and his wife, and the release of new, disturbing images and information connected to the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. The hosts analyze not only the facts but also the media and government responses, misinformation, and broader societal implications, responding in a blend of outrage, analysis, and calls for accountability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Brown University Shooting (starts ~[05:57])

• Incident details:

  • Shooting at Brown University left two people dead. The incident occurred in the midst of students preparing for finals ([05:57]).
  • Authorities are struggling to contact victims' families due to holiday travel ([06:15]).

• Police investigation & FBI mismanagement:

  • Providence Police & FBI detained a person of interest, tipped by the FBI, but released them due to lack of evidence. The individual’s name was leaked, causing a flurry of public speculation and false accusations ([07:50]).
  • Hosts criticize FBI's public triumphalism and leaking of names:
    • "This is just like the Charlie Kirk thing all over again where the FBI is at the center…" – Ryan Grim ([06:45])
    • "Colossal failure by the FBI. Just colossal." – Ryan Grim ([14:53])
  • Discussion on the impact of social media and misinformation, highlighting the harm to falsely accused individuals ([09:10]).
  • Caution urged regarding the speedy publicization of victims' and suspects' identities ([13:09]).
  • Notable moment: Emotional interview with a student's mother describing terrified students barricaded in a supply closet during the shooting ([11:24]).

    “They’ve turned off the lights, they’ve put chairs on their door. One of his classmates is having a panic attack, so the friends are trying to keep her quiet…” — Brown University student’s mother ([11:24])

• Wider commentary:

  • The frequency of mass shootings and the reality that some young adults now experience multiple such incidents in their lives ([12:47]).
  • Hosts stress importance of responsible information sharing and the damage from premature leaks ([14:28]).

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2. Bondi Beach Hanukkah Shooting & the Heroism of Ahmed Al Ahmed (starts ~[18:19])

• Incident details:

  • Two shooters (father and son) attacked a Hanukkah gathering at Bondi Beach, Australia, killing at least 15 and injuring many, including children ([18:31], [20:37]).
  • Australia's strict gun control in focus ([20:15]).

• Heroic civilian response:

  • Ahmed Al Ahmed, a Syrian immigrant and former police officer, tackled and disarmed one of the gunmen, saving countless lives despite being shot himself ([21:07], [24:42]).
    • “Can you imagine the presence of mind and just the sheer like reactive heroism…actively approaching a gunman like this?” – Ryan Grim ([21:11])
    • "He very easily could have been killed. It seems like his injuries are not life threatening, but he was shot. That's inches from ending your life." – Murtaza Hussain ([25:42])
  • Hosts promote the verified GoFundMe for Ahmed ([21:46],[33:09]).

• Misinformation & bigotry:

  • Outlandish conspiracy theories and misinformation circulated online regarding Ahmed’s religion and even his identity, including AI-generated fake backstories ([22:59]).
  • Right-wing commentators and even Israeli officials use the attack to further political and Islamophobic narratives.
    • “Why do we need to debate this guy’s religion?” – Ryan Grim ([22:55])
    • “Every incident doesn’t have to be grist for your own little grievance project.” – Murtaza Hussain ([24:26])

• Australian Police Statement:

  • The shooters were a 50- and 24-year-old father and son, both with legal access to firearms ([26:35]).

• Geopolitical spin and Israeli response:

  • Prime Minister Netanyahu publicly blamed Australia’s government and recognition of a Palestinian state for the attack—despite little direct connection ([29:34]).
    • Netanyahu: “Your call for a Palestinian state pours fuel on the anti-Semitic fire…” ([29:34])
  • Hosts contextualize this within leaked Israeli PR strategies aiming to weaponize Islamophobia to improve Israel’s international image ([28:10]).
  • Hosts push back on attempts to fuse ISIS, Palestinian politics, and these attacks indiscriminately ([31:22]).
    • “ISIS and the Palestinian resistance have nothing to do with each other whatsoever.” – Murtaza Hussain ([31:42])
  • Emotional testimony from an Australian Jewish woman protesting politicization at the scene ([30:40]).

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3. Rob Reiner & Wife Killed (starts ~[35:35])

• Tragic development:

  • Hollywood icon Rob Reiner and wife Michelle found dead in their home, with their son Nick being questioned and not yet charged ([35:35], [38:44]).
  • Description of Reiner’s monumental contributions to film and TV: “It’s hard to think of anybody who’s contributed more to cinema and Hollywood…” – Murtaza Hussain ([37:03]).
    • Films cited: Princess Bride, When Harry Met Sally, Stand By Me, Spinal Tap, Misery.

• Context:

  • Nick Reiner reportedly struggled with addiction and homelessness ([38:59]).
  • Their daughter found and identified the bodies ([39:21]).

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4. New Jeffrey Epstein Images & Allusions to Elite Cover-Up (starts ~[41:42])

• Release of new photos:

  • Recently released images from the House Oversight Committee include: a Trump condom display from Epstein’s home, selfies with Steve Bannon, a disturbing photo of a passed-out young woman, socialites and power players (Barak, Prince Andrew, Bill Gates, Richard Branson, Woody Allen), and more ([42:02]–[49:53]).
    • “You knew exactly what [Epstein] was about within five minutes…” – Ryan Grim ([43:50])
    • “Normal people don’t have condom bowls and pictures of passed out women on their desk.” – Ryan Grim ([43:50])

• Elite Denials and Connections:

  • Discussion of Bill Gates, Larry Summers, Ehud Barak, Woody Allen—all denying knowledge of Epstein’s crimes despite repeated socializing, emails, and travel ([44:28]).
    • “This is why the claims from Larry Summers and Bill Gates and all these people. I didn’t—yeah, you did.” – Ryan Grim ([45:04])
  • Unveiling of Epstein’s “Lolita” collection and ingrained culture of elite permissiveness ([49:10]).

• On the pursuit of ‘the client list’:

  • DOJ and FBI documents indicate they were searching “client lists” related to Epstein, undermining official denials that such a list exists ([51:41]).
    • Hosts share skepticism that a literal client list exists, suggesting criminal enterprises rarely keep neat ledgers ([52:39]).
  • FOIA disclosures and ongoing efforts for transparency touched upon ([53:55]).

• Congressional action & continued obstruction:

  • Rep. Thomas Massie stresses that per the Epstein Files Transparency Act, the DOJ is criminally liable if they do not release the full files ([54:13]).
    • “If DOJ doesn’t release the files… it’s a crime if they don’t.” – Rep. Thomas Massie ([54:32])

• Bipartisan implications and obstruction:

  • Hosts emphasize that the Epstein case implicates Democrats and Republicans and that all responsible parties, including the Clintons, should testify ([55:22]).
    • “If you’re in it, you gotta talk.” – Ryan Grim ([55:31])
    • “Bannon went to prison for not testifying.” – Murtaza Hussain ([55:33])

• Platform Censorship:

  • Reporting on Epstein is being suppressed online; example given of TikTok flagging and rejecting their reporting as “misinformation” ([55:44]–[56:39]).
    • “What are we going to do?” – Murtaza Hussain ([57:16])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Just a chaotic situation..." – Ryan Grim on police entering Brown University library with guns drawn ([12:39])
• “Some young people are involved in not just one mass shooting, but multiple throughout their lifetime.” – Murtaza Hussain ([12:47])
• “He put his life on the line for these people… you could see the absolute worst and the best of the world in the same incident.” – Ryan Grim on Ahmed Al Ahmed ([21:48]–[22:05])
• “Why do we need to debate this guy’s religion?” – Ryan Grim ([22:55])
• "ISIS and the Palestinian resistance have nothing to do with each other whatsoever." – Murtaza Hussain ([31:42])
• "You knew exactly what [Epstein] was about within five minutes..." – Ryan Grim ([43:50])
• "He was not hiding it." – Murtaza Hussain on Epstein's criminal proclivities ([45:13])
• “If you’re in it, you gotta talk.” – Ryan Grim on calls for accountability from elite names in the Epstein case ([55:31])

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Timestamps of Significant Segments

| Time | Segment | |----------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 05:57 | Brown University shooting: details, FBI missteps | | 11:24 | Call with student’s mother (emotional moment) | | 18:19 | Bondi Beach Hanukkah shooting overview | | 21:07 | Ahmed Al Ahmed disarms shooter (heroism clip) | | 24:42 | Ahmed's injuries and heroism analyzed | | 26:35 | Australian police statement on the attackers | | 29:34 | Netanyahu response to Bondi attack (audio) | | 30:40 | Australian Jewish woman's protest at the scene | | 31:42 | Host dismantles attempts to conflate ISIS and Gaza | | 35:35 | Rob Reiner & wife killed: news & impact | | 41:42 | New Epstein images released | | 44:28 | Epstein's elite social circle, denials & evidence | | 51:41 | Client lists, whistleblowers, government denial | | 54:13 | Rep. Thomas Massie on legal duty to release files | | 55:44 | TikTok suppresses independent Epstein reporting |

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Tone and Language

The tone is incisive, urgent, and often somber but not hopeless; the hosts express outrage, incredulity, and at times dark humor. There's a pronounced anti-establishment perspective, skepticism toward authorities, and deep empathy for both the directly affected victims and the public targeted by misinformation and institutional failure.

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For Listeners: Key Takeaways

• The FBI's public mishandling of the Brown shooting and the dangers of leaked suspect info.
• Immigrant heroism and the impact of bigotry and misinformation after the Bondi attack.
• The tragic loss of a cinematic legend, Rob Reiner, and reflections on American violence and its personal toll.
• Ongoing elite impunity in the Epstein case, new revelations, and the bipartisan urgency for true accountability and transparency.
• The corrosive effects of partisan and opportunistic sensationalism, compounded by social-media-age misinformation and censorship.

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Listeners can use this summary for a comprehensive overview of the episode’s major themes, impactful moments, and social commentary—skipping the lengthy news analysis while grasping all essential content.

Transcript

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We need your help to build the future of independent news media, and we hope to see [e-mail] Good morning, everybody. Happy Monday. We have an amazing show for everybody today. Bro Show. Good to see you, Ryan. Can't be too upbeat. We have some insane news that we've been covering just in the last, like, literally 24 hours. A lot of deaths, shootings, deaths. It's just horrific. We're gonna do our best to sort through all of this. We're gonna take a look at some of the Epstein photos that were released on Friday from the House Oversight Committee. You may have seen some of them, but we're going to put them all together so you have a full reference point and we're going to go through some of the things that they mean. We're going to talk about this attack in Syria of which Ryan and I spidey senses are very, very high. You have multiple, two US Service members and a US civilian interpreter, AKA CIA, who was killed, who were killed in Syria in a shocking circumstance by a, quote, lone ISIS gunman. All the circumstances, frankly, all of my spidey senses are off and something is not right about this entire thing. Saturday, Bari Weiss had a town hall with Erica Kirk. But perhaps the most consequential news, Erica Kirk letting us know this morning that she will be hosting a meeting today with Candace Owens and that in the interim, Turning Point USA's long planned livestream to debunk or at least to push back against Candace Owens. Many claims of the Charlie Kirk assassination is put on hold for now. At the same time, Barry Weiss calling for censorship in her town hall there with Erica Kirk and Ryan. You also have some good flags about who the advertisers were, who the new CBS advertisers were on that one. Israel breaking the can we call it a ceasefire? Is it a ceasefire if you just get to kill whoever you want?

[Murtaza Hussain]

It is offensive to our idea of language.

[Ryan Grim]

Yes. Yeah, I know.

[Murtaza Hussain]

But it is what the global community continues to call it.

[Ryan Grim]

All right, okay. So global norms.

[Murtaza Hussain]

I don't know what to do with it.

[Ryan Grim]

Global norms. And as I have long said here, international humanitarian law is fake. And anything coming out of the United nations or all of that, when a ceasefire results in like dozens of deaths, that's not a ceasefire. Right. It's something, you could call it whatever.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Another phase of the conflict.

[Ryan Grim]

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[Ryan Grim]

Yeah, they work with what they got. The saunas are cool. The sauna, as I say, sauna is cool. All right, let's get to these shootings. So what we're going to do is we're going to start with Brown University. Insane screw up by the FBI's Kashmir Patel. Just unbelievable. So we had this shooting at Brown University. Two people tragically confirmed dead. We do not yet know their identities. Sadly, apparently their families are traveling for the holidays. Authorities are still trying to get in touch with them. What we do know is that over the last 24 hours it's a so called person of interest was taken into custody by the Providence police as well as the FBI. Now this person's name was actually leaked to the news media and widespread. There was a lot of analysis. I'm not going to say their name because he has now been released and is no longer person of interest. This is just like the Charlie Kirk thing all over again where the FBI is at the center Providence PD making very clear that this person of interest, who they took in, was a result of an FBI screen tip, putting solely the blame on Cash Patel. Let's take a listen. The FBI director specifically said in his tweet that it was a tip from Providence police that led you all to Hampton Inn. Can you confirm if that shoot true and what exactly was the evidence that led you to this person of interest?

[Law Enforcement Official / Reporter]

Yeah, so there was a tip that came in just like we were taking any other tips, and that one came in specifically identifying a person of interest, which was this individual. And so we, our detectives got on it just like they got on another one, this specific one. It was actually picked up by the, by the FBI. And they followed through with it and they ended up coming and locating this individual of interest. And at that point, we did our thorough investigation, examine, ended up drafting some search warrants, came up with some evidence, but that evidence was examined and we didn't have enough, obviously to be able to prosecute anybody. And so the person was released.

[Ryan Grim]

So that person was released. This was again after a triumphant tweet there from the FBI director. Let's put that up there on the screen. Yeah, go ahead, Ryan.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Yeah, yeah. So here an update on the FBI response at Brown University. This is from Kash Patel.

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[Murtaza Hussain]

FBI Boston established a command post to intake, develop and analyze leads and run them to the ground. We activated the FBI's Cellular Analysis Survey team. These are the kinds of things that a guy says who's not really familiar with the agency and is just excited to, like, show you that he works there to provide critical geolocation capabilities. As a result, early this morning, FBI's Safe Streets Task Force, with assistance from all these other, detained a person of interest in a hotel room in Coventry, Rhode Island. Based off a lead by the Providence, Rhode Island Police Department. We have deployed local and national resources to process and reconstruct the shooting scene, providing headquarters and lab elements on the scene. We set up a digital media intake portal to ingest images and video from the public related to this incident. The FBI's victim specialists are fully integrating with our partners to provide resources to victims and survivors of this horrific violence. The FBI will continue an all out 247 campaign until justice. This is fully served, thanks to the men and women. And then finish with, oh, it turns out that they just got the wrong guy. What you could have done is like very quietly speak to this guy in the hotel room.

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah, that's what you're supposed to do, right? Is that. And by the way, again, I mean, look, mister, Again, I'm not gonna say his name. That guy has got a good defamation lawsuit on his hands, frankly, because his name was leaked to the news media. His resume, LinkedIn profile was everywhere. People were analyzing his.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And some other guys with his name.

[Ryan Grim]

Right. Other with his background were circulated. I mean, again, it's just like the Charlie Kirk thing. We had members of our own audience emailing us, telling us, hey, for some reason my face has been blasted all over the Internet and I've been falsely accused.

[Murtaza Hussain]

During the Charlie Kirk.

[Ryan Grim]

Yes, during the Charlie Kirk. This is dangerous, guys. Seriously, very dangerous. And this is just, again, clown show. So somebody needs to step up. I mean, originally after the Charlie Kirk thing, people realized what of a disaster it was. And you know, luckily this time around, we don't have some ridiculous press conference there from Kash Patel. We're, you know, stealing FBI agents jackets or anything of that. Reportedly, allegedly. But what we do know right now is that some 48 hours post the shooting, we still don't have any suspect in custody. Let's put that up there on the screen. They say they are still searching for the Brown University gunman. They have not released any, you know, the person of interest had been released. They did not identify any other suspect. So it's been. Yeah, almost 30 hours now. You've got two students who were killed. Look, I mean, for all the investigative work they seem to have identified falsely, at least for now, this individual who was in a hotel room, like you said, Ryan, they should have just gone, talked to him, run some of the ballistics and the forensics and said, okay. Right. But instead they made it a big triumphant thing and, you know, his name was leaked out really is just horrific. And in the interim, obviously, the students at Brown University were going through a terrifying, not just an ordeal in the immediate term, but you've got, you know, multiple hours now or days now where they don't know who the person is and how they got away with it, what the targeting allegedly and all of that may have been. We do. Oh, my God. I'm going to give a warning here. This is a student's mother who was speaking to the news media just about what it was like to go through this and some relaying from her own son. Let's take a listen. What is your son telling you right now?

[Brown University Student's Mother]

Oh, it's an. It's a nightmare. It's a nightmare. They're in the middle of finals. So they were all on campus studying at the library. And about an hour and a half ago, the first text I get from my son is, mom, there's a live shooting on campus and I'm going to run and I love you. I was like, what? So we've only been texting and I'm getting live updates from him because he's been. We've told him to turn off his phone, not to make a single sound, but he's in a supply closet room on campus barricaded with 12 students. They've turned off the lights, they've put chairs on their door. One of his classmates is having a panic attack, so the friends are trying to keep her quiet so that no sounds are being made.

[Ryan Grim]

So we've got the same type of imagery here. This is some Brown University students who were actually found in the library. We can go and put that up there on the screen. But you can just see, you know, I mean, just literally sheltering in the library. They're terrified.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And as the police come in here, I don't know how much of this clip we have. It's terrifying. Again, the police. Now the police come in pointing their weapons, like toward the kids.

[Ryan Grim]

I mean, they don't. They have no idea what's going on, right?

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[Ryan Grim]

They're also freaking out. Like, you've got a shooting that's happening here. Like, it's just a chaotic situation.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And then they kind of usher the kids out and get. Let them get their bags and like, move, move, move, move. Yeah, it's just terrifying. And it. And at least it seems like at least two of these kids who went through this. One of them was in middle school next to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland. So experienced that lockdown and another had been actually shot in another mass shooting. So, like, this is a thing that's happening where people are not, as they grow up, are not involved in just one mass shooting, but multiple throughout their lifetime.

[Ryan Grim]

Look, I don't know. We don't know yet who the person who perpetrated this is. Obviously, I don't know, hope that the FBI. Okay, how about this? Hope that the tip line comes through.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Like it did Providence police.

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah. Hope it's something, you know, just some good old fashioned, hopefully police work there from Providence. But right now, things, I mean, in general, you know, like with the Tyler Robinson case, at least if you buy that theory, which I. But if you buy the Tyler Robinson theory with that he was identified as a result. But, you know, look, we would show it to you. We would be happy to help if we could. There's nothing released right now by the pd, Nothing about a photo, anything which we kind of had at this time. I mean, you would presume Brown University and any public place, carpeted cameras. So we don't really have very much as of right now. And again, there is some information floating around out there about the victims, but I really would urge caution. Let's let this be a lesson here, especially the person of interest. You cannot just ruin people's lives. And you know, if you're. If you're out there putting out the names of victims before they've been released by the officials, you should consider that somebody could find out about that on social media and not from an official channel. And if that happened to you, just put. Try to put yourself in their own shoes. People are out there just posting for clicks and all this stuff. It's disgusting, honestly. But that's all we have right now. Colossal failure by the FBI. Just colossal. I mean, it's not to say that law enforcement doesn't routinely, Ryan, Come up with tips and screen them, but you don't tout it and make it into a whole thing. They effectively made it seem as if it was a done deal. Leaking the name. I mean, usually again, you don't really do that.

[Murtaza Hussain]

We got him in a hotel room.

[Ryan Grim]

Right. Got him in a. I mean, they're releasing all kinds of detail bragging to the news media. And I mean, this person was a member of the U.S. army Honor Guard.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Okay?

[Ryan Grim]

Honorably discharged U.S. military, trying to, you know, get a good education.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Wisconsin's a good school and they're Brown.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Right.

[Ryan Grim]

Trans. This is a person on the up and up. Name out there forever for no reason. Imagine having to be his family member, too. It's sickening just the way that this was being handled. And I blame the FBI 100%. It's because they're the ones who, you know, publicized it. I don't know who leaked his name, but somebody did. So whoever it is, you should be ashamed of yourself. But in general, they're the ones who are trying to possibly. Again, I would not assert that without evidence. We're only just. We're just postulating that this is now the second high profile incident.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Job must be harder than it looks.

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah, it turns out, you know, being a professional is useful at the very top of law enforcement. And by the way, you know, just like with the Charlie Kirk thing, the reason people have a lot of questions, because of his idiotic handling of it. Right. And so it's the same thing this time around. Can't imagine being some of the families and others who are involved here. So, anyway, off my soapbox, I guess.

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[Ryan Grim]

Let's get to Bondi Beach. Oh my God. Just another horrific attack here. So we've got. Basically, here's what we know. This was what, some 48, you know, it was over the weekend.

[Murtaza Hussain]

First day, first first evening of Hanukkah.

[Ryan Grim]

First evening of Hanukkah, Bondi beach, one of the most beautiful places in the world. There in Australia, two gunmen outside of a hotel take fire at a Hanukkah gathering and massacre at least 15 people. From what we know right now, Multiple others who were wounded. We do know that the perpetrators appear to be a father and son who. This was released very recently by Australia. But we have some video. Again, I'm gonna warn everybody. You know, this is. It can be tough to watch. We blurred out any of the. Any gore or anything like that. But just, just keep that in mind. Let's go and put that up here on the screen. So, I mean, you know, just. It's like an idyllic location and you have a. It was a Hanukkah gathering literally right there at the beach near this hotel. And you can hear the gunshots there in the background. I mean, this is a very, very crowded tourist area. And. And you could see there just, you know, what it was like for some of the people who had to go through this, like lying low there on the ground. Oh, my God, I can't. Can you see the person, like, with their child, you know, as a parent.

[Murtaza Hussain]

You know, stay down.

[Ryan Grim]

Imagine.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Yeah. Just absolutely terrifying scenes emerging in a place that has some of the strictest gun control in the planet. And then this video emerged of this guy who either had a death wish.

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah. Or.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Was completely confident in his ability that he was just not gonna get hit, though. That was one of the more bizarre videos. Just a guy who's just an Australian who's like, you know what? You know, shoot at me.

[Ryan Grim]

I think what's so disgusting here is just like the intention. Right. You know, you can see there in the video and because it's one thing to read about it, but it's to see somebody like engaged and highly motivated.

[Murtaza Hussain]

To just mope down because Australia has these tight restrictions on semiautomatic and automatic weapons. You saw him there in that footage with this bolt action rifle.

[Ryan Grim]

Right.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Whereas, you know, aiming, reloading, aiming, reloading, aiming, reloading, which, you know, hopefully at least reduced the number of people rather than if you're just spraying the entire beach.

[Ryan Grim]

But I mean, we've got children who have been confirmed dead.

[Murtaza Hussain]

We don't have a 10 year old.

[Ryan Grim]

At least a 10 year old. I mean, again, at a religious gathering, Hanukkah. It's just horrific. It's horrific.

[Murtaza Hussain]

The world has also been captivated by dramatic scenes of a passerby disarming. So this is Ahmed Al Ahmed, a man who was there just to get coffee with a friend at the beach, sees this going on. And let's roll the footage that has caught the world's attention.

[Law Enforcement Official / Reporter]

Oh.

[Ryan Grim]

Unbelievable. Yeah. You can see he's wrestled a gun out, points the gun at the Guy, he starts to run away. I mean, who knows how many lives that he saved as. As a result of this. But I mean, oh my God. I mean, can you imagine the presence of mind and just the sheer like reactive heroism to do something about this in the moment? Actively approaching a gunman like this, putting your life completely there at risk and immediately disarming this person. I know there's a verified gofundme for Ahmed Al Ahmed, which is going out there. Definitely.

[Murtaza Hussain]

It's over 1.3 million.

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah, I mean, let's keep it going. Honestly. I mean, this is. He put his life on the line for these people. And so look, you know, you can choose to see. People always say that. You can. You could see the, you know, absolute like disposition. Best of the worst and the best of the world all in the same. In the same incident.

[Murtaza Hussain]

So what we're learning about him so far is that in 2006 he moved from Syria. Apparently he was from Idlib, moved from Syria to Australia. He was a police officer, it seems like back in Syria. His cousin was interviewed outside of the hospital. There have been interviews since then with his parents. Extremely obviously proud of what he did. Briefly, there was an attempt to like argue over his religion. You had kind of the Laura Loomers of the world, actually, including Benjamin Netanyahu.

[Ryan Grim]

What?

[Murtaza Hussain]

Well, so Laura Loomer said this and lots of other people on the right were saying, this is a Maronite Christian or this is some. A Coptic Christian. This is sick.

[Ryan Grim]

Why do we need to debate this guy's religion?

[Murtaza Hussain]

Here's what's crazy.

[Ryan Grim]

In the middle of him.

[Murtaza Hussain]

What are you doing? Like he's a hero. Yeah, it doesn't matter where he worships or whatever. Immediately an entire AI backstory around a guy named something Crabtree, like a made up name. So people say, oh, his name was Eric Crabtree or whatever and he's an Australian native. And there are articles circulating about who this Crabtree guy is with fake interviews with his parents and his teachers and him. And if you didn't know any better and millions of people did not know any better, they were circulating. They even got a community note at one point on the video saying like this, actually, this was this guy Crabtree, which is completely fictionalized, made up person. It also shows the lack of kind of literacy when it comes to the world. Like, Ahmed is one of the names of the prophet. It's in the Quran.

[Ryan Grim]

There's two instances combined with brown and this. It's like, this is a sick. Yeah, I'm not Gonna be called Bari Weiss and call for censorship or anything, but, I mean, I will call for. Look, I mean, let's blame some of the people here.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Sharpen up people, if you're out there.

[Ryan Grim]

Blaming a guy's retreat.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Also, Laura Loomer also circulated a claim that the shooter said Allahu Akbar and was a Muslim at Brown University. So, you know, it's like every incident doesn't have to be grist.

[Ryan Grim]

That's right.

[Murtaza Hussain]

For your own little grievance project.

[Ryan Grim]

Can we return just to Mr. Ahmed, just to like who he is as a person who cares about his religion. Ahmed Al Ahmed, by the way, was actually wounded and underwent surgery as of yesterday, so he's in the hospital. He was seriously injured, according to us, according to Australian authorities.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And it's obvious, but let's state it for his. For his benefit. One of the things that makes. There are multiple things that make it such an extraordinary act of heroism. Besides the obvious one is that there's two shooters. You know, it's not as if I would have the courage to disarm one shooter, but if you disarm one shooter, you're good. Like, you've got the gun. Incident is over. He knew when he did this that there was another shooter on the bridge who was targeting people all over the area. So he knows that not only does he have to worry about the guy he's tackling who's armed, but then he also has to worry about getting shot by the other guy, which is what ended up happening. Like the thing that he knew was a likely possibility happened. Like he very easily could have been killed. It seems like his injuries are not life threatening, but he was shot. It seems like he was shot right in the shoulder here. That's inches from ending your life.

[Ryan Grim]

Oh, he easily could have died. I mean, not easily. I mean, look, I mean, it's a miracle that he's alive in this instance. Just. I. I cannot imagine the psychopathology of anybody out there trying to, you know, debate somebody's religion or any of that. That's the last thing that all of us need to worry about, especially in a. A moment like this. You've got targeted shooting against a hot. I mean, that's sick. That's sick. You know, targeting women, children at a Hanukkah gathering on Bondi beach, and then. Yeah, why can't it just be a horrific terrorist attack? We'll deal with that on its own terms, okay? It says whatever it needs to be said in terms of international politics, debates, gun control, et cetera. But yeah, just to go after the shooter is disgusting. Let's just get to the Australian police laying out some of the details, what we know about these gunmen and the firearms that were involved. Let's take a listen to that.

[Law Enforcement Official / Reporter]

There were two offenders involved in yesterday's incident. One is deceased, the second is in critical but stable condition in hospital at the moment. The offenders are a 50 year old and 24 year old male who are father and son. The 50 year old is deceased. The 24 year old is currently in hospital at the moment. As part of the investigation, we conducted two search warrants last night. One at Bonnie Rig and a second at Campsey. The 50 year old male is a licensed firearms holder. He has six firearms licensed to him. We are satisfied that we have six firearms from the scene yesterday. But also as a result of the search run at the CAMPSI address, ballistics and forensic investigation will determine this morning that those six firearms are the six that were licensed to that man, but also that they were used in the offence yesterday at the.

[Ryan Grim]

So that's what we know now so far. Australia has already announced the Prime Minister that they're going to try and to tighten their nation's gun laws. Remember, they already had some of the strictest gun laws already in the world after this ended up happening. So we'll see where that goes. But there's an Israel angle. You know, I wish we didn't even have to cover this, but it's. But this lechi to your point about debating people's religion or whatever for a hero in the midst of an attack like this. Netanyahu doing the most Netanyahu thing ever and trying to insert himself and his war in Gaza somehow into this attack.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Yeah, and a few months ago at Dropsite, we did a story where I obtained a set of surveys and research group findings that had been paid for by the Israeli Ministry of Foreign affairs where they did a bunch of polling and they did a bunch of focus groups and they were trying to figure out what can we do to restore our image here around the world in the wake of this genocide. And it was. This entire thing was leaked to me and basically their conclusion was we need to ramp up Islamophobia around the world because when we poll ourselves just straight across the board, we're not doing very well at all. But if we poll ourselves against Iran, or if we poll ourselves against Hamas, or we poll ourselves against, you know, quote unquote Islamic terrorism, then people prefer us to that. So what we need to do is put all of the attention on that. And so that's the context for a lot of what you're seeing of the messaging from Israel around the world. So you put up this next element. So Netanyahu immediately came out and attacked the government of Australia. So here's Netanyahu telling the government of Australia that it is their recognition of a state of Palestine that actually caused this.

[Ryan Grim]

On August 17th, about four months ago, I sent Prime Minister Albanese of Australia a letter in which I gave him warning that the Australian government's policy was promoting and encouraging anti Semitism in Australia. I wrote, your call for a Palestinian state pours fuel on the anti Semitic fire.

[Murtaza Hussain]

It rewards Hamas terrorism.

[Ryan Grim]

It emboldens those who menace Australian Jews.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And encourages the Jew hatred now stalking your streets. We had an interesting counter protest that was picked up by Australian tv. And we can add this in post. A woman, a Jewish woman came to the gathering because apparently now there are a lot of Israeli flags flying down there. She wore a kefia and said, the reason I'm doing this is to protest the politicization of this killing. She's like, members of my community were killed. Actually, we can roll that here.

[Ryan Grim]

I came here today because I'm a Jewish person, because my family was murdered in the Holocaust, because I have community.

[Sophie Cunningham]

Members.

[Ryan Grim]

And I'm being threatened. The press, were there no Israeli flags here.

[Murtaza Hussain]

It is a political act by. Let's assume that they did pledge allegiance to isis, so it is necessarily going to be politicized. But, you know, Netanyahu jumping in and trying to make this about support of a Palestinian state. ISIS and the Palestinian resistance have nothing to do with each other whatsoever.

[Ryan Grim]

Yes.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Like they are hostile to each other. In fact, this, you know, what's his name, Yashar Abu Shabaab, the guy that writes for the Wall Street Journal and was, you know, killed recently, who was kind of running the rebel group. He had closer ISIS links. He was aligned with the Israelis. They were trying to prop him up as this alternative to Hamas. He had closer links with ISIS than Hamas does. Hamas is hostile to them.

[Ryan Grim]

So ISIS has hated Jews since its founding. Right. So to say that it's just about Palestine seems kind of ridiculous.

[Murtaza Hussain]

But they've also never attacked Israel, right?

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah, exactly right.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And this would be maybe their first attack on even a Jewish gathering. Usually they attack on the West Christian.

[Ryan Grim]

Gathering, Christians or fellow Muslims. Or Muslims. Look, we don't know. Still a lot of stuff that's going to come out, you know, about this entire thing. Also, anybody who, you know, murders dozens of women and children at A religious gathering is a psychopath who doesn't usually have a coherent political ideology either. Right. So kind of.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Dad, is this Jesus?

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah, I don't. I mean, look. Well, yeah, yeah, well, you know, I don't know. Do they have the death penalty in Australia? Hope so. Okay. Hope to see it. But at least me, Just me. All right. I don't know. I just think at the very least, what we can say is to praise the heroism of Ahmed Al Ahmed. And just to think about some of these.

[Murtaza Hussain]

We'll put the GoFundMe in here.

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah, we'll put the GoFundMe down there. But, you know, also, look, 15 people, women, children, massacred at a religious gathering. No matter what kind of religious gathering, who cares, right? It's sick. It's completely sick.

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[Ryan Grim]

And then, you know, sticking on this theme. Geez, you know, for everybody listening, I'm sorry, you know, it's been a depressing hour, but we just got the last thing that we have to put in here. Rob Reiner, the Hollywood legend, icon, was killed with his wife in his house. Let's go and put that on the screen, guys. MB1, please. Rob Reiner, this is News broke late last night. This is from People. They better be right. I'll caveat it in terms of. It's a report and he's not yet been charged, but People magazine claiming that Rob Reiner's son is implicated here in the attack on his parents. Again, allegedly. And that is according to this report by People. And the son has not yet released any comment. The circumstances are shocking. You have here on Sunday, December 14, at 3:30pm Eastern Time or 3:30pm Local Time, La Fire Department was called to a home to provide medical aid, the LAFD. Upon arrival, they found a man, 78, and a woman, 68, dead. Sources confirmed the victim were Rob and Michelle Reiner. Police say Nick, 32, is alive and is being questioned. No arrest has yet been made. Rob Reiner, obviously, I mean, he's one of the most famous actors, what, of the last 40, 50 years? Also just an incredible director. Look, you know, Rob and I disagreed on politics. Who cares? Happens to just be like, literally an icon.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Yeah.

[Ryan Grim]

I don't know. All this death is so.

[Murtaza Hussain]

It's hard to think of anybody. It's hard to think of anybody who's contributed more to cinema and Hollywood than over the last 40 years.

[Ryan Grim]

He's up there, right? He's up there.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Like just an absolute icon. Princess Bride, When Harry Met Sally. Stand By Me.

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah.

[Murtaza Hussain]

I was going through on and on. Plus the rare director who can also act.

[Ryan Grim]

He produced some incredible films and got.

[Murtaza Hussain]

His start with all in the Family. Yeah, Just an absolute legend when it comes to, you know, what he has contributed to our culture. The Princess Bride, you know, absolute classic. When Harry Met Sally. Yeah. Misery. Like to be able to like his.

[Ryan Grim]

His range, Stand By Me, unbelievable.

[Murtaza Hussain]

His range is just absolutely Spinal Tap, like uncontested, like, nobody had Spinal Tap. Just if you haven't seen that, like, a lot of people might be a little bit young for some of his stuff in the 80s and 90s. That stuff holds up.

[Ryan Grim]

Oh, it's good. Watch it over.

[Murtaza Hussain]

The absolute path breaking.

[Ryan Grim]

I don't want to tell you, I didn't even go with the American President bucket list. I actually love the Bucket List. I think it's a good. People. People didn't like it. I liked it. Yeah. Spinal Tap 2 supposed to come, but. But an incredible actor as well, even as an actor. Yeah. I mean, he. Man. His most recent. What his most recent big blockbuster role was probably Wolf of Wall Street. He was so good in that.

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[Ryan Grim]

Just, you know, what is this world coming to? But, yeah, Rob Reiner and his.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Nick Reiner. Yes. So people are saying their sources have it on lock that, I mean, this.

[Ryan Grim]

Look, they better be right or they're gonna get sued.

[Murtaza Hussain]

They're speaking with him.

[Ryan Grim]

That's what they say. He said he's being questioned as a.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Lot of children of Hollywood. He's been in and out of rehab, and he was homeless at one point. You know, face, you know, facing real addiction and you would imagine mental health issues that are associated with that. How that. How that leads to this outcome is very difficult to conceive of. But here we are.

[Ryan Grim]

And tragically, his daughter apparently is the person. She. She found her parents and had to identify the body. So just, you know, it's grim. RIP Rob, thanks for everything you gave us. All right, let's move on.

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[Ryan Grim]

Company foreign we're going to turn now to Epstein. There were some shocking images released here by the House Oversight Committee. These are not yet seen and these are much more recent than many of the stuff that let's say Ryan and I have been going through some of these emails. Many of these are just even months before Epstein was died. Put it that way.

[Murtaza Hussain]

He died.

[Ryan Grim]

Let's go and put a B1 please up here on the screen. This is a Trump condom photo which apparently was at the Epstein resonance at Trump condom. 450. I'm huge apparently. Let's go to B2. This just showed really a lot of the photos were the extent of his relationship there with Steve Bannon. So you've got this mirror selfie pic there with Steve Bannon. I guess Epstein trying to get a fit off there with Bannon's signature two shirts. I'm not sure yet or if the two shirts are in that particular one, but Bannon sporting his normal look. B3 please. Let's go to put that one. This is crazy. So it's not just the photo of Bannon with Epstein in Epstein's, you know, palatial mansion is there's this framed photograph of, I mean to me what looks like some passed out girl there. Is that a bathroom? I mean no one can really tell what it is, but you can see that there's a passed out young female in this photograph. I mean this fits with everything that we know about Epstein. He just had this disgusting fetish. I mean, God, even calling it a fetish is not really fair. Like it's just disgusting proclivities on display for everyone to See his overt sexualization, it was almost cartoonish. You could see that in the emails. You know, when you and I are. You're like, who talks like this? I mean, we saw it in the birthday book as well. Right. Every other joke. Joke about, you know, kidnapping and sexually assaulting someone is. It's every other page. And these are grown men in their 50s and 60s.

[Murtaza Hussain]

He didn't want to leave anybody any room for deniability when it came to how gross he was. Yeah. They all deny it. They're like, oh, I had no idea.

[Ryan Grim]

It's like, yes, you did.

[Murtaza Hussain]

I never opened my eyes when I was around him or listened to him.

[Ryan Grim]

Talk or remember going through his Amazon orders. Like. Cause he email. It's like the amount of sexual paraphernalia, again, it's mind boggling to see it. Just to see, like it was open. Yeah. Like you said, normal people don't have condom bowls and pictures of passed out women on their desk. And just like the craziest number of. Again, like weird fetish sex shit everywhere, all across their house. Like, if you interacted with this person for five minutes, you knew exactly what.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Was going, which a lot of people did.

[Ryan Grim]

He sent emails to these people for five minutes.

[Murtaza Hussain]

You'll get a decent number of people in the elite world who will say, I met him, I was completely disgusted and I never saw him again. And you can see why that would be true. Like, he was not hiding it. So that's why when I hear that from some people and there's no. You don't find evidence in the emails or the travelogues or something that actually, actually they went to the island and they like, deepened their relationship.

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah. This is why the claims from Larry Summers and Bill Gates and all these people. I didn't. Yeah, you did.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And Bill Gates, his wife, for instance, was like, the guy was gross.

[Ryan Grim]

Right.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And I told Bill, stop hanging out with him.

[Ryan Grim]

Yes.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And from Melinda's perspective, it's like, yeah, he was gross.

[Ryan Grim]

Right.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Like, he was not hiding it.

[Ryan Grim]

Right. So literally not hiding it.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Right.

[Ryan Grim]

Let's continue. By the way, B forward. Let's put that up there on the screen. Oh, who's that? Ayud Barak, former prime minister of Israel.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Said he barely knew him.

[Ryan Grim]

Interesting. Yeah. Barely knew the guy.

[Murtaza Hussain]

In his inbox, he's got a little.

[Ryan Grim]

Photo here, the former Prime Minister of Israel there. Multimillion dollar deals there with Epstein soliciting, you know, venture capital dollars into almost certainly intelligence connected Israeli startups.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Well, absolutely. Millions of dollars is really connected.

[Ryan Grim]

Being paid by the Wexner foundation, which the Wexner foundation claimed he didn't have any direction of which Dropsite reported that he actually was deeply directing all the Wexner Foundation. I mean, we could just go on forever here. And that's just again, by the way, I mean, you know, let's not even just move past the fact that Benjamin Netanyahu tweeted out jack of an article basically confirming, or at least from his.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Side, that he was right, because this.

[Ryan Grim]

Is his Israeli asset, but an Israeli asset of the other Israelis. Not. Not him. Right, not him. Okay, got it. Let's go to the next one. Bill Gates, Prince Andrew. Two gents who say they didn't really even know anything about what was going on. There were no facilitated meetings.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Prince Andrew's well known nickname was and is Randy Andy. So again, like, not subtle, not hiding what they're doing. So there's Bill and Randy Andy.

[Ryan Grim]

Okay.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And he's just. He's not Prince Randy Andy anymore. Yeah, he's not the Prince, just Randy Andy.

[Ryan Grim]

Sorry, I forgot. I apologize to the British people for using the name Prince. He is big Andrew. Andrew Mountbatten. Or no, Andrew Winslow. I apologize. Andrew Windsor and Bill Gates, private citizens, too, in their own right. Next one. Richard Branson. Oh, Richard, how could you? How could you? Richard.

[Murtaza Hussain]

If we're gonna remotely defend Richard Branson, what is it? He owns the, like, neighboring island. Yeah, it's this famous island where he's had, like, you know, Obama and like.

[Ryan Grim]

All the war's luminaries.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And, you know, there's. You get lonely and bored out there on your island paradise, so you go.

[Ryan Grim]

And hang out with your super rich neighbors.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Hang out with your super rich neighbors.

[Ryan Grim]

Do you Google them beforehand?

[Murtaza Hussain]

No.

[Ryan Grim]

Maybe.

[Murtaza Hussain]

No, you don't want to do that.

[Ryan Grim]

You might.

[Murtaza Hussain]

You might want to right now. What could possibly come.

[Ryan Grim]

You may Google your neighbor. Especially when your neighbor, you probably have to take a helicopter or a private jet.

[Murtaza Hussain]

So if we're going to defend him, we have to say, whose island is this on?

[Ryan Grim]

Okay. Right. It's bad either way. If you visit his island, that's bad. If they invite him to your island, that's even worse.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Maybe he just washed it up.

[Ryan Grim]

Come on, man.

[Murtaza Hussain]

He showed up on his little boat.

[Ryan Grim]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And he's like, richard, what are you doing?

[Ryan Grim]

Even then you're like, isn't that my creep neighbor who owns this neighboring island? Get out of here.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Go away.

[Ryan Grim]

Dude, he's not home.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Look, I tried Branson. Sorry, I got nothing for you.

[Ryan Grim]

Sorry. All right.

[Murtaza Hussain]

B even owns his airline.

[Ryan Grim]

He doesn't need for the Hollywood heads. This is a good one. Here's Woody Allen having dinner with Jeffrey Epstein. On the left, on the right. Here's what everybody wants to know. What movie is this? So we've got Epstein on set with Woody Allen. We don't know yet which movie, which movie that this came from. There's some speculation out there about the exact Woody Allen film. But yeah, there's the two of them. In fact, you know, when I was going through the emails, Ryan, with you, wasn't it crazy the number of Hollywood invites that were in there?

[Murtaza Hussain]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryan Grim]

You know, they're like, hey, Michael Clayton, George Clooney respects the pleasure of your company or whatever. He got the email. I remember the one email. It was like to David Chase's private. Not David Chase, but HBO's private screening of the Sopranos finale. Like a real screening, like before that it was even gonna air. So, I mean, he was deep, deep into this. Go to the next one, please, just to continue there. Oh, who's that? Oh, oh, Larry and his wife. Got it, got it. There's Larry, there's his wife. And what did we learn? This is on the jet, by the way, there with Jeffrey Epstein. What did we learn there about his wife and Lolita? Yeah, and Woody. But what do we remember that his. Larry Summers, his wife recommended Lolita to Epstein.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Yeah, that's right.

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And got him like an annotated copy.

[Ryan Grim]

Well, no, he bought himself.

[Murtaza Hussain]

He bought that copy.

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah, because two wasn't enough. He needed the original version. He had a first edition.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Like, what about makes you think he hasn't already read that 10 times?

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[Ryan Grim]

Yeah. By the way, I've learned a little. So I've not read Lolita. Apparently my wife read it. I talked to her about it and she was like, you know what's funny is if you read it, like, the guy is the villain.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Yes, but.

[Ryan Grim]

But, yeah, but it's like the whole book is like this villainous justification of pursuing this 12 year old.

[Murtaza Hussain]

I have read it is. It is not subtle.

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah, right. The book, for any normal functioning brain is like, what a disgusting human being rationalizing this behavior.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Yes.

[Ryan Grim]

And apparently for him, he was like.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Oh, this, you know, this is great.

[Ryan Grim]

What a hero.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Yes.

[Ryan Grim]

Right, okay.

[Murtaza Hussain]

No, it's quite, quite obvious to anybody reading it that are like.

[Ryan Grim]

And then here's the thing, B9. I alluded to it, but you had your content warnings and all that. So if you're watching this with children, you know, I mean, it's not subtle here. Okay. Like an insane amount. I'll get an insane amount of just like, weird sex in his house. Jawbreaker gag massage. Come on. All right. I'm not gonna say it like, you know.

[Sophie Cunningham]

All right.

[Ryan Grim]

Must be for plumbing, right? Yeah, definitely for plumbing. So, yeah, that's what we know from the Epstein photos that have been released there, by the way, the House Oversight Committee actually saying they do have videos and photos of people, quote, engaged in sexual acts. Let's take a listen. Do you have pictures of people engaged in sexual acts as part of this. As part of this release? Yes, there are pictures of people engaged in sexual acts. Are there pictures of men not Jeffrey Epstein engaged in such acts? We're going through that again. The last time there was a big production, what we tried to do was release all the files eventually. We're trying to be selective about what we release now. And so in this case, we're not really quite sure yet who is who. Certainly there's a lot of people involved, though, in some of these acts.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And see, what's interesting about that answer, though, is he doesn't say yes. And so one of the claims from kind of the world of people that are saying that this is not a giant ring, that it's just a giant predator, is that all of the footage is either like porn that Epstein was consuming or it's Epstein himself engaged in sexual acts. And he doesn't say otherwise there.

[Ryan Grim]

Well, he may not have it.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Right?

[Ryan Grim]

Right. Who knows, right? That's why actually, when I want to flag. Let's go to B12. Shout out to Jason Leopold, the FOIA terrorist. Self described FOIA terrorist. I love it. Here's what he says from a new foia. FOIA files. DOJ and FBI had made revelatory disclosures about the docs it withheld related to their review and redaction. Intriguingly, the FBI said it searched, quote, client lists to locate records. Remember this? This is after the FBI director, Cash Patel claimed there is no client list. Client list doesn't exist. FBI director said that the DOJ Attorney General also said that under sworn testimony. Keep that in mind. And they said in search of client lists. This actually would be shocking to me that a client list exists. Because I've always thought that that's kind of like Boomer slop, if I'm being quite honest, is I'm like, I don't think client lists exist. Especially I've read 18,000 man's emails. So have you, Ryan. It doesn't work like, hi you're coming to my house so I can blackmail you on tape. Like that's not. Everything is couched in like innuendo and respectability and oh, it's come to the island. And then a weird offhand comment really. Ew. Right. But it's not overt in the way that it's also like a circle of accepted behavior. It's probably akin to any vast criminal enterprise or anything else going on where nobody says this stuff out loud explicitly. Look, I'm calling you to distribute 12 kilos of cocaine. That's not how it works.

[Murtaza Hussain]

And in the emails there are multiple instances where he is clear that he understands that email is not a secure means of communication. So what we're getting in the email is what he thinks he can say and get away with because oftentimes he'll. Sometimes you'll see encrypted stuff, but other times he'll say not for email discuss in person when stuff is getting too sensitive, what they call switching to guns too close for missiles. Switching to guns. And so that also goes to the point of it would be unlikely that he would have a list that's just in one place. That's so neat. But I don't know. So we'll see what they mean by this client list.

[Ryan Grim]

Yeah, I mean, listen, I would love to see it if it actually exists. Maybe somebody FBI document compiled a so called client list. Right. And then there, that's their investigatory version. That's kind of why you need to release all this. Final word here to Congressman Thomas Massie saying that it's a criminal violation not to release the Epstein files per the Epstein Files Release Transparency Act. Here's what he had to say.

[Law Enforcement Official / Reporter]

They cite the Epstein Files Transparency Act.

[Ryan Grim]

So you've got three grand juries that are going to release all their materials redacted with the victims names to the doj. So it's a good sign that the DOJ went back and asked for this, that grand jury material.

[Murtaza Hussain]

If DOJ doesn't release the files it.

[Ryan Grim]

Has by next Friday, is there anything Congress can do to compel that to happen? Well, I mean, it's a crime if they don't. It's not like they're in contempt of Congress because they didn't respond to a subpoena.

[Law Enforcement Official / Reporter]

This is a new law with criminal implications if they don't follow it.

[Ryan Grim]

Criminal implications if they don't follow it. So thank you to Congressman Massie staying on the case and the release of the photos. Just this is also part of the problem, Ryan, that You and I have found is that people just like the shooting, everybody tries to distill things immediately in terms of partisanship. And the whole point is that it implicated everybody. Bill Clinton, by the way. Okay. Was also, you know, named in the photos. So we know that. That's been known. Yes, there's Bible. In fact, maybe we'll cover this tomorrow. The Clintons are fighting like hell right now to not testify about Epstein.

[Murtaza Hussain]

That's right.

[Ryan Grim]

They're going to war with Congress, trying to make sure that they don't have to come forward. Guess what? Let them come. Let's go, Hillary. Let's go, Bill. Right. Anybody, if you're in it, you gotta talk.

[Murtaza Hussain]

Bannon went to prison for not testifying.

[Ryan Grim]

That's right. Lock her up.

[Murtaza Hussain]

I mean, they need to lock her up the funniest way. But she should just testify. Yes, she can do her shtick. What does it matter? She's got that line right.

[Ryan Grim]

What does it matter?

[Murtaza Hussain]

What does it matter? B14. Speaking of partisanship, Trump not getting great marks from the American people. 23% of people approve of his handling of the Epstein scandal so far. Meanwhile, just tacking this on at the end here. This is a post from my own kind of TikTok. I noticed that one of the posts that I put up on TikTok about the Epstein reporting that Murtaz and I have been doing over at dropsite was flagged. That said, this can't be shown in the for you page. So I clicked on it and you can read there why I clicked appeal and the appeal was comically rejected in like seven seconds. It's like that scene in the office where Michael Scott's like, can you crunch the numbers again? And the guy just same numbers.

[Ryan Grim]

It's the same numbers.

[Murtaza Hussain]

So they write reason for ineligibility in a global misinformation. In a global community, it is natural for people to have different opinions, but we seek to operate on a shared set of facts, Facts and reality. Content is ineligible for the 4U feed and harder to find in search if it contains general conspiracy theories or unverified information related to emergencies. Content sent for fact checking may also be temporarily ineligible for the for your feed while it is undergoing review. Do you understand why this video is not eligible? I clicked no.

[Ryan Grim]

No. Yeah. I also do not understand.

[Murtaza Hussain]

So I included in the story, like links to all of our reporting, which is sourced to publicly available emails and documents, but somehow that did not survive the appeal. So what are we going to do?

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