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2/2/26: Epstein Pushed Palantir To Former Israeli PM, Prince Andrew, Bari Weiss, Pizza Codewords
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Krystal Ball
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Saagar Enjeti
We need your help to build the future of independent news media and we hope to see you@breaking points.com. okay, turning now to the intelligence connections, we've collated all of the most important stuff and we're going to lead off with an extraordinary bit of audio in which Epstein appears to have secretly recorded a meeting between himself and between Eood Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel, talking here to aid Barak, specifically about the company Palantir. Let's take a listen. He thought there was two cyber companies. Look out. And even though I know Peter, I've never met Peter Thiel. And everybody says he sort of jumps around and acts strange, like he's on drugs. Smoking. Yeah. He looks under drugs. However, he has a company called Palantir. P A L L E N T I E R. Palantir, Peter Thiel's company. And lookout. Palantil. P A l a N T I E R. Yes. How you I t l T H I e L L Y T H I e L. Yeah. L l Y. No T H I e L L okay. So he thought that Peter would put you on the board of Palantir. Peter Thiel is one of the best. I've never met him. He's going to come here next week, so I wanted to talk to him. Talk to you. He and Andreasen. It's called Andreessen Horowitz. Andreessen Horowitz. That's what they pay, Larry. A million dollars a year just to advise and A n D R E e S O N Andreasen and Horowitz and Horowitz. H O R O. Horowitz. Horowitz. Horowitz.
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Krystal Ball
Yes.
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Saagar Enjeti
What they are, they are lobbyists. They are the biggest venture capital people in Silicon Valley. Bigger than Sequoia or Kleiner Perkins. These are the new Kleiner Perkins, everybody. These are the smart boys. Mm. Yeah. So those two companies, right away, in terms of. I said that we need now in the next three weeks, if you're going to leave. Very important find there, Ryan. That was from a multiple hour clip. So I don't even know who went through that. Props to whoever did. But you can see There, Epstein advising Aoud Barak. Ayud Barak is the former Prime Minister of Israel. He's also former head of military intelligence, founded a security company which of course was invested in by Jeffrey Epstein, which has long been a suspected intelligence Mossad potential connection.
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Krystal Ball
Let's continue the spelling there. Also extraordinary.
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Saagar Enjeti
Disastrous. But I mean, that's part of the crazy part, is like the idea this was some sort of genius. He's literally an imbecile, at least from what we can see here. He was just good at one thing, and that one thing was appearing to be very socially connected. And of course, his own disgusting predilections. Let's go to the next one. I found this actually in the files. This is a exchange between eiyud Barak and Epstein. I'll set the stage. This is ahead of a meeting with a Qatari inventor investment fund. And he says, hi, Jeff. Are you going to be in London on Thursday? Epstein replies, unfortunately not. You should make clear I don't work for Mossad. Smiley face. A Barack says you or I question mark. And Epstein says that I don't. Smiley face. Okay, okay. That you should make clear. By the way, it's completely unprompted. Ahead of a meeting, apparently, with the Qataris for a major investment deal, where he's like, hey, just make clear that I don't work for Mossad. So clearly. What do they think he works for Mossad?
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Krystal Ball
Well, and Ryan made the comment here. He's like, yeah, he doesn't. That's true. He doesn't work for Mossad. It's more like Mossad works for him.
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Saagar Enjeti
Right? Yeah, that's the.
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Krystal Ball
That's Ryan's assessment, right?
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Saagar Enjeti
That was Ryan's assessment. So, yeah, I mean, I guess technically correct, right. Whenever it comes to that. This is the next one. In 1999, Epstein anonymously FOIAed the CIA to obtain all CIA records that might reflect an open or otherwise acknowledged agency affiliation between himself in the CIA. In 2011, he wrote again to see if CIA had acknowledged any links with him in the 12 years since. Now, why would somebody do that if there was no connection at all? By using the lawyer, he had to go through the Privacy act that ensured the public would not know that Epstein was the requester of CIA records. This is all from Mike Benz. And all the correspondence would remain between the CIA and Epstein's law firm. So, as you can show out, it's pretty crazy that you're even foiaing the CIA back in 1999, asking for any records about yourself. Why would you want Any some sort of acknowledgement from the CIA of your potential prior past service. And this is why, remember the year 99, this is years after where many of us who have been researching and studying the Ession case have suspected when his intelligence connections began in the 1980s and there was that alleged involvement with the arms traffickers from Douglas Lease to the Khashoggi's Adnan Khashoggi, you had his potential involvement here with some Iran Contra financing deals back in the 1980s. The ability to move money around Steve Hoffenberg and the prior association there with moving money offshore, a skill very, very important for the US intelligence community. 1999 before again, the conviction. So there the potential of why exactly he's foing his own records. There's multiple things, right? He could be trying to force them to acknowledge their relationship with him. He could be trying to put them on notice for his relationship now previously. But following up back in 2011, there is some, again, this is my own personal suspicion. My suspicion, and this is backed up a little bit by some other analysis, is that he was furious potentially that they had cut association with him potentially around that time after his conviction. Now remember, they potentially may have gotten him out of the conviction or some sort of intelligence connection might have gotten him the sweetheart deal. But by 2011 he's jonesing to either try and force them to acknowledge the relationship, to bring him back in and or potentially threaten to reveal some of what he knows. But it is open and shut. Insane. The FOIA record from 1999, prior to any conviction, prior to any of investigation into Epstein, that is a clear cut, clearly shows some sort of association that happened to exist at that time. This is not something they're going to acknowledge anyway. Even in some sort of a foia, it seemed to have been putting them on notice, potentially trying to restart something. But at the very least it does show that some sort of connection, at least an Epstein mind had believed to have been there for many, many years, going back almost more than 20 years ago now.
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Krystal Ball
Yeah, I mean if you think about it, you know, you're the CIA, you don't really want people to know that you're connected with Jeffrey Epstein for a variety of reasons. And so could very well have a little shot across the bow of hey, this could all be made public. And I know that, you know, and so I'm just sending this in so that you see it. And so it's almost like, could have been almost like a threat. And we know the way he operates, right? This very manipulative very strategic. Sending himself all those emails into his inbox about various dirty secrets of the billionaires and other elites that he knows. This is could have been similar type behavior, like a threat aimed at the apparatus of the CIA.
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Saagar Enjeti
Right. The other reason why I think it's very important is that we know from the CIA's behavior. I talked about this previously. The CIA, in many cases which involved, let's say, CSAM material, okay. What they would do is they would almost never have those cases go to trial, like when their agents were involved. Why? Because they can never have their agents go into open court. They're terrified because they don't want their sensitive material to ever be released, let's say in an open trial, because that would be public. So almost certainly, we know in multiple cases, they would pressure the DOJ and the FBI. They go, guys, I know this is heinous. We need to strike a plea deal. This cannot go to trial. This guy needs to go to federal prison. And in exchange, he gets a few years shaved off of his sentence, and we all walk happy. This is multiple instances where we've seen stuff like this. There's a reason why this heinous activity comes hand in glove with a lot of intelligence. Because he can usually get away with it. You can leverage your connections. Gets to the potential of the sweetheart deal. But I do think the FOIA is one of the most important for our own intelligence, not to mention foreign intelligence. Now, keeping with the foreign intelligence, let's go to D3. This is again, directly contradictory of a lot of the stuff that FBI, cash, Patel and all those had previously told us. So here we are. This is an email I found in the files where Epstein emails. You can see the Russian there. He says, how are you? I need a favor. There is a Russian girl from Moscow. She is attempting to blackmail a group of powerful businessmen in New York. It is bad for business, for everyone involved. She arrived New York Saturday, last week, staying at the Four Seasons on 57th street. Dot, dot, dot suggestions? So on its face, threatening, right? Why are you listening? Her address. He says, hey, this is bad for business. I need this to go away. Here's her address, by the way. Here's where she's staying. She's Russian. The guy she's emailing is Russian. I need some help with this. Okay. I need a favor. All right, so this is literally like mob talk. Well, if you look a little bit deeper, it's even crazier. So let's put the next one up here on the screen. So this was Epstein's ties with an FSB Academy graduate. Remember that Russian that I've mentioned previously when we're talking about the Peter Thiel case? This guy's name is Sergei Belyakov who was then the Deputy Minister of Economic Development. Later the head of the St. Petersburg Economic Forum foundation which runs the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum became the norm for female escorts from all over Russia to be present at the forum. Belyakov is the graduate of the FSB Academy which prepares Russian intelligence officers at the dossier center discovered he helped Epstein to deal with a Russian model who was blackmailing American businessman as well as proposing to arrange meetings with multiple like senior officials inside of Russia. For his part, Epstein would then advise him on saving the Russian economy amid imposed sanctions while also recruiting high profile guests for the St. Petersburg Economic Forum. So you can see clearly I need this rush, she's attempting to blackmail people. I need some suggestions. According to Epstein, the powerful men were taking advantage of women like her. And Belyakov responded swiftly, sending a profile of her just days later. And he lists her colleagues, nobody behind her. He says doesn't appear to be working with anybody else. Deny of the access to the US would be a great threat to her business. So what he's doing is that he is compiling some sort of dossier inside of Russia and sending it over to Epstein. So this is again you have a Russian intelligence official by the way, even in general you don't become a senior official inside of Russia like this without some sort of patronage right from Putin, from anybody from like any of the oligarch class. Epstein's connection here and there's so many emails with Russian girls that are in there just in terms of his own depravity. And so this now we have Mossad at the top that we talked about CIA and here's fsb. And not to mention the Qataris and all of these other people that we have talked about. And that's why I think it's very important. You know, you said the Mossad works for him in a certain sense. Like he was never some clear cut employee and or asset. He floated above in this universe where he was connected to everybody including the arms traffickers and everything. And I think that what this does is back up and show where he's using his intelligence network obviously on behalf of himself and his powerful businessman friends were being blackmailed. You have this previous joke. Joke, right? Please don't say I work for Mossad, CIA, foia. I mean I don't know what else you need Here to see very clearly, like this is in no way somebody who was not connected to multiple intelligence agencies on its face, very clearly, especially when we continue and show everybody all of the other stuff he was doing out in the open to help foreign governments negotiate trade deals, peace agreements, ambassadors ensnaring this. Clearly it's part of statecraft that was important to his overall social network.
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Krystal Ball
Yes. Yeah, let's put the next one up on the screen because this dovetails with this. I mean, we've talked so much about the original, quote, unquote, sweetheart deal. And there had been this, you know, this one allegation. Anonymous source to the Daily Beast as Glenn points out that Acosta had said that he was told Epstein belonged to Intelligence. Now we have, because of this release, an FBI report that describes the same. So I'll read you. This is from the FBI report. Jeffrey Epstein was represented by Alan Dershowitz, confidential human source. CHS remember Dershowitz telling Alex Acosta, U.S. attorney of Southern District of Florida at the time, that Epstein belonged to both U.S. and allied intelligence services. CHS shared phone calls between Dershowitz and Epstein during which he or she took notes. After these calls, Mossad would then call Dershowitz to debrief. Epstein was close to the former Prime Minister of Israel, Ehud Barak, and trained as a spy under him. Barak believed Netanyahu was a criminal. Saudi Arabia, and that gets into the internal Israeli politics. Saudi Arabia, Israel and the UAE are allied against Qatar, Turkey, Iran and Syria. One of CHS's Blank, who presumably worked Blank, asked CHS a lot of questions about Epstein. CHS became convinced Epstein was a co opted Mossad agent. So this is from an FBI report. It does say that some phone calls were shared by the source here to the FBI. So there was at least some evidentiary backup. But you know, if you put this together with that Daily Beast anonymous report, you start to have more indications here, especially when you put together all of the other reporting that you've done that Ryan's done, of all of the connections that we have, the fact that he's foiaing himself and his CIA connections, et cetera.
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Saagar Enjeti
I have another one.
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Krystal Ball
Go ahead.
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Saagar Enjeti
This literally just came across. I just pulled it up from the file. So at one point, somebody had sent Epstein an email to Steve Bannon, or, sorry, Steve Bannon, about Alex Acosta. It mentions some of the Alex Acosta letting Epstein off. Epstein just replies to Bannon, do you know Bill Barr, period, CIA, period. That's it. That's all he said. And yeah, and remember by the way, Bill Barr was the Attorney General at the time, not at the CIA. However, his father is a longtime, you know, CIA intelligence connected official and also the person who literally hired Jeffrey Epstein whenever he was for his very first job.
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Krystal Ball
Just so everybody knows when he had no credentials or business getting that job as a teacher. Yeah.
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Saagar Enjeti
All right, so just show everybody again, again where this all starts.
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Krystal Ball
Imagine being a high schooler and Jeffrey Epstein was your teacher.
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Saagar Enjeti
Yeah, actually, no, there were some. Yeah, they got harassed. That's part of the reason he had to leave. Yep. Yeah, it's sick. There's a report about it, actually from a few years ago. Let's continue here with some of this stuff. Let's put D6 up here on the screen. This is from Dropsite, quote, leadership would like your help. Indian billionaire tapped Epstein before Modi's visits to the US And Israel. So clearly some of the Indian billionaires got word, hey, there's this guy. He knows a lot of people. Maybe he can help people. Exactly. With what's going on here. And you had, you know, somebody who again, is asking for some advice and giving it to the Indian government about how they should react with respect to Israel to try and get some more favorable view here in the United States. And it was actually Anil Ambani, drop side is reporting here. An Indian billionaire closely with the BJP government sent Epstein a message that leadership was asking for his assistance in connecting with senior figures in Trump's orbit ahead of an upcoming state visit by Modi. At the time, Ambani texted Epstein, hello, was in Delhi. Leadership would like your help from me to help Jared and Bannon asap. Please advise likely visit to DC by PM in May to meet Donald Trump. Also assistance on that. Epstein and Ambani then proceeded to set up a time for a chat. Few messages later, Ambani said, thanks as always. Epstein replied, fun. I mean, if you don't know Ambani, literally one of the richest men in all of India. You know, I mean, literally. I mean, there's a famous wedding. I think maybe this guy's son, one of the Ambani family. You can Google it. It was like the most ostentatious wedding literally in, like, human history. So that's what we're talking about. And this goes to the point of the global financial elite. Let's put D7 up here on the screen to underscore the UAE connection. So here you have. This was a crazy one from the files. Epstein was messaging contacts in real time as the Khashoggi story break. And speculated that MBZ had set up MBS. Jamal Khashoggi, killed on October 2, 2018. By the 12th, the story had come at crisis. That day, Epstein emailed a contact. Something smells bigger to me. I wouldn't be surprised if MBZ set him up then message somebody else. What I'm told, secondary source, is that one of the assassins put video on his phone and it was hacked. October 13, Epstein says, can they label him a terrorist? Covert op gone bad. Honey trap, turks, question mark. MBZ, question mark. the same time, a message to Epstein. MBZ asked me to come over and see him asap. Leaving in the morning. Epstein had sources inside the operation, and clearly he was following this Gulf intrigue story very closely, especially because he seems to have been connected to a lot of these folks.
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Krystal Ball
Well, and wasn't Epstein connected to Khashoggi's? Was it his uncle who was the arms dealer involved in Iran Contra? Was one of his earliest, sort of like intel connected contacts.
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Saagar Enjeti
That's right.
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Krystal Ball
So it makes sense that he, you know, of course he knew him, kept those contacts close.
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Saagar Enjeti
He was very close with the family. So mbz, obviously from the uae, Saudis here, involved the Khashoggi family as well. Here's another one. Let's put this up there on the screen. This is from Emily. Great find from her. She said 2010 emails from Dan Dubno offering to set up meetings for Epstein with Israeli hackers and DARPA people. I designed this so you'd get your questions answered if you'd help me get mine. He said of a crypto workshop that he was setting up. All of you can just see there's so many. So many indications. And then turning now, I think, to a little bit of his death. You've also seen some of these indications, for example, about why exactly he would kill himself. Let's put D9 up here on the screen. Inside of the files, the lawyers discussed the possibility of cooperation. Days before his death, less than two weeks before he was found dead, his lawyers had met with Manhattan federal prosecutors. Somebody who was about to strike a deal. Not necessarily. Much more necessarily potentially a target than really somebody who was on the verge of committing suicide. So you can see also that he was afraid of even returning to his cell in one particular instance that you also saw in the files. And this fits with the video that makes no sense that has been released. Remember Pam Bondi's infamous. What did she say? He's like, oh, there was an old system at the time that just happened to delete a minute or so of footage, I'm like, yeah, for sure. That's definitely what it is. We have the videos from CBS about his cell, all of his stuff about the cellmate, about the cameras. I mean we put all this stuff together. I don't think it looks like the official story anything adds up.
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Krystal Ball
Yeah. So this Guardian story says less than two weeks before Epstein's death in jail, lawyers and Manhattan federal prosecutors met and discussed his potential cooperations. According to several documents within the cache of files. On July 29, FBI and prosecutors met with Epstein's attorneys who in very general terms discussed the possibility of a resolution of the case and the possibility of the defendant's coop. An FBI document titled Epstein Investigation Summary and Timeline stated. Another document titled Jeffrey Epstein's Significant Case Notification, which was not attributed to a specific agency, closely resembled this FBI memo provided several more details, quote, Defense counsel did not make a specific proposal and they did not indicate what the nature of Epstein's cooperation might be, if any. It was suggested defense counsel contact sdny Southern District of New York if Epstein was prepared to accept responsibility for his conduct and or they had a specific proposal for a resolution of this case. So they were at least in talks about some sort of cooperation deal and you know, obviously never got any further than those stocks.
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Saagar Enjeti
Yeah, that's right. All right, so let's stick with that and we will go now to Foreign.
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Ryan Grim
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Saagar Enjeti
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Saagar Enjeti
Okay, getting to foreign connections now. So we talked about all the American politicians that he was connected to. We talked about the intelligence agencies that he was connected to. Now let's discuss some of these foreign individuals.
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Krystal Ball
Obviously, a lot of interlap between all of these.
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Saagar Enjeti
A lot of interlap, all of interlaced. And so you know, one of those individuals, we were trying to decide, well, like where does royalty fit in, right? And apparently we decided on foreign connections here. One of the more infamous famous ones is Prince Andrew, or formerly known as Prince Andrew. He's been stripped of all of his titles. Some photos released of Mr. Andrews here in the latest stump. Let's put this up here on the screen, shall we? Yeah, grown man standing over a girl, you know, in the middle of a party. There's some guy on a bed behind him. It's creepy. There's just no, really other word for it. On all fours lying over a woman who's lying on the ground. So that's Prince Andrew. Another, you know, horrible picture for him. Let's do the next one, shall we? This one is also, yeah, equally creepy. You know, trigger warning on this one you've got the ex UK ambassador to the US Peter Mandelson pictured standing in his underwear next to a girl in a robe in the Epstein file. Stop. Here's the question I have around Andrew about this. And so many of these are the creepy photos which we're going to show you in a couple in the Horror. But who allows themselves to be photographed this way? Is this so all just normalized that everybody's in their underwear or like standing over girls in like a creepy and a threatening manner? And you're just so like you're just, you just assume you're in a safe space that this stuff will never be able to come out. I mean that's really what comes through in the emails and all the creepy way that they talk to each other. The birthday book and all the creepy stuff that they would refer to there. The horror section which we'll get to you know, in a bit where again, you know, they're just like photographing and videoing themselves like chasing girls around and you know, I'm in compromising positions and nobody ever thought for a second like hey, I'm literally a member of the House of Lords. Like I shouldn't even be doing that. Not only should I not be doing this, I shouldn't be doing this on camera. Like what was happening here, like inside of this. I'm super sick.
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Krystal Ball
I do not understand that particular photo. It appear it could have been taken surreptitiously possibly. But some of the other like the Prince Andrew ones. Yeah, he's posing in this disgusting way for the camera and clearly knows that his photo's being taken. The one we showed earlier of like, or of like just some gross dude or maybe we have that later in the show and anyway some gross dude like with two girls there. I mean there's a bunch of these where it's like they know they're on. I don't know, I don't know what that is all about but it's really, it's really something.
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Saagar Enjeti
Yes.
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Krystal Ball
This next one is very weird too. This involves the Crown Prince of Norway. Put this up on the screen. So asking Jeffrey Epstein for parenting advice about showing her 15 year old son naked women. Literally asking Epstein, is it inappropriate for a mother to suggest two naked women carrying a surfboard for my 15 year old son's wallpaper.
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Saagar Enjeti
Yes.
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Krystal Ball
What? Like first of all, yes. Where does one even procure such bizarre wallpaper? Number two, the person you choose to ask about this in 2012 is a convicted sex offender. Like what, what is happening? Unbelievable, unbelievable stuff here.
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Saagar Enjeti
Yeah. And he said, let them decide. Mother should stay out of it. Really? Yeah, I don't think so. I think mom should have an alert.
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Krystal Ball
Yeah. 15 years old, still very young. Mom still should be in charge there.
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Saagar Enjeti
Okay. Yeah, got it. Let's continue here. This is, this one is actually pretty interesting. So emails show that Epstein had conducted business in 2016 with Emmanuel Macron, who was then the Minister of the Economy. And then separate emails described Macron, quote, allegedly seeking Epstein's help with governance and public relations after he had already become the French president. So you could see a little bit there. For example, Tom Pritzker, they say, would like direct connect with someone in Macron. Is this doable? And they say, yes, I think so. I will ask my father and return to you. So he's working on behalf of apparently from some of his friends. And then he passes on a message from Macron. We believe that we need to rethink, rebuild and invent governance and format of international institutions. He passes on basically some sort of quote back in 2018 and then also saying, Jacques is having dinner with Macron today, so timing is perfect. To Tom Pritzker, who is an American billionaire by the way, related to the Governor, Illinois, the Pritzker family. And then in another one from the Sultan bin Saliem to Epstein says, had a lunch at Elysee palace, had a nice conversation with French Minister of Economy Mr. Macron Regarding our business in France. This same Dubai Sultan is somebody who has been reported on by Ryan and by Murtaza, saying over a drop site and his connection to the Dubai port. So you can see where all of the connections are.
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Krystal Ball
There's also another layer with Macron because his. He met his now wife when he was 15. Now they deny any sexual contact until he was of age, et cetera. But entirely possible that he was himself groomed as a child.
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Saagar Enjeti
Yeah, well, yeah. Welcome to Candace thought and it is a famous story.
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Krystal Ball
Well, Candace goes much further than that.
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Saagar Enjeti
She goes further than that. Yeah. This is the origin of Candace thought. Let's go to the next one. Let's put this up here on the screen. This was from Epstein and Bannon's text messages back in 2019. He says now at the pyramid with the entire government. What are your Plans. Macron government. Question, Question. Yup. The ministers of the elite, he says. I mean, Remember, this is three. March 29, 2019. Look, haven't seen any message or denying any of this yet from the Macron government. We'll keep everybody updated if we do. Here's this.
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Krystal Ball
Gotta be shortly before. When was he put in prison?
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Saagar Enjeti
Yeah, right, right. It would have been.
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Krystal Ball
It would have been right after 17. Yeah.
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Saagar Enjeti
So it would have been very, very close by. Exactly. It's crazy. Let's go to the next one. This is a great one. You know, when I'm talking here about foreign influence. Joy Ito, do you happen to have anyone with influence over Assad Epstein? Not for email. I think everyone should keep this in mind. So consider all the crazy shit that we have shown everyone today, which was an email. Yeah, jokes about Mossad, like all the billionaire stuff, the harem, the joking, the Trump stuff, intel. This one is apparently so since. So he, he did have a line. Apparently he goes, not for email. We don't talk about this.
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Krystal Ball
Yeah.
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Saagar Enjeti
Here. So.
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Krystal Ball
Okay, well, and wait till we get to the horror block too where they're talking about torture and whatever and just like out, you know.
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Saagar Enjeti
Right.
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Krystal Ball
So this was apparently too far even for him.
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Saagar Enjeti
That's my. That's what I'm saying. I go, what is so crazy for Jeffrey Epstein that it is not for email? Great question. Okay, here's another one. Love this. If real ones will understand why this one is crazy. New emails from the inbox show his long standing interest in Somaliland, including discussions the year before his death with this who I just mentioned Dubai Ports world chief Sultan Sulayam about proposals for recognition of the territory as an independent state. So real ones will know that Somaliland more recently is a topic connecting to our own discourse around Israel. Crystal.
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Krystal Ball
But wasn't Israel the first country to officially recognize.
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Saagar Enjeti
That's why. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So like there's this long standing beef, and this involves Somalia, but Israel apparently was involved, like with all things Israel somehow got imported into our own politics. But you can see here that Epstein himself was also involved in apparently some discussion around the independence. Again with a Dubai, you know, a very, very rich executive in Dubai. Okay, next one. This is another crazy one. This was an email from the Sultan, same one suggesting Epstein was involved in, or at least discussing. He says, dear Jeffrey, I am attaching some media clipping regarding the Israeli operation in Dubai. I will call you around 7pm time. What happened doesn't help anyone. So this was after an assassination of a Hamas leader in dubai. Back in 2010. And the only reason why it's. This is like. Like trip some flags is what he says. What happened doesn't help anyone. I'm attaching some media clipping. It seems to think that they're going to discuss it and they'll have some role in it. Not that they're just discussing crystal, like per. You know, they're not just discussing current events. It seems to say what happened doesn't help anyone. Like he's trying to get him to relay a message. That's how I read that. But, you know, of course you can read it in any way.
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Krystal Ball
Yeah. But very, like, very interesting that. That would be the person you would reach out. Exactly like, oh, we need. We need to. Why. Why are you talking about.
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Saagar Enjeti
Where's the back?
- [34:45]
Krystal Ball
Jeffrey Epstein. Right?
- [34:46]
Saagar Enjeti
How do we get.
- [34:46]
Krystal Ball
What's the reason you need to talk to Jeffrey Epstein?
- [34:48]
Saagar Enjeti
How do we get in touch with these guys? How do we make sure that they don't know, you know, what exactly is happening? So you could see that that one is very important. All right, let's continue here.
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Krystal Ball
This is what this next one. This is a. This is a very disturbing one. This is a journal from, you know, purported victim. And it's lengthy and there's all kinds of stuff written out in like a weird code. It's very disturbing. But this part in particular was deeply, deeply troubling. So it says in the hall. Ghislaine said she was beautiful. She was not. Is. She was a beautiful girl. I heard her. Where is she? Why did she stop whimpering? She was born. I heard the tiny cries. I can't do this anymore. He is now controlling everything. When it used to be Ghislaine, who some days acts like she hates me. Secrets of all of them. I'm tired of keeping the secret. I know people are wondering, but I can't tell. I am exhausted. I broken promises. I don't understand why she is treating me on some days like I'm the enemy. But then we lay in bed together and she is how she used to be. Warm. He makes her feel my tummy and is so sad and confusing. Superior gene pool. Question mark. Why me? It makes no sense. Why my hair color and eye color? That feels very Nazi like. But in thinking about these stupid insane theories he has, I guess in his mind it makes sense. The piano and music comments are made to convince me this is right and will create perfect. Awful, he calls them. I don't think it works that way. And it makes me hating playing together. Piano or viola I am starting to resent them both. I miss the person I was before I was made into what feels as a human incubator. So yeah, I don't even know what you say about that. You know, it's just disturbing fits, I guess, really in the horror block because this is, you know, this is what a victim wrote. And like I said, there was also. This is. There was a longer part of it. There were parts that were in bizarre code. There are other allusions throughout the files to like weird impregnation incubator.
- [36:44]
Saagar Enjeti
They talked about that. Yeah, quite a bit. It's. Look, it's super disturbing and that's what we're saying. Even contextualizing it, it's very hard to even like. It's really hard to even say the reality of it. Was it like some disturbed writing? But I mean, this is where I was going to save some of this for the horror stuff. But like this is where the Eyes Wide Shut part of it just seems real. There's no, there's no rational or safe universe where stuff like this is even going to exist. Like in what world can, in what environment can something like this even be, you know, even be written down either as a confessional or some sort of fantasy, but like whatever exactly was being released and was happening and all here. It just is very, very, you know, difficult to even fathom the conditions in which something like this could ever be written.
- [37:33]
Krystal Ball
So let's go ahead and talk about some of the media angle here because this was, this is actually one of the wilder parts as well.
- [37:39]
Saagar Enjeti
Yes.
- [37:40]
Krystal Ball
And very relevant to current events and some of the current events we cover here on the show.
- [37:44]
Saagar Enjeti
Yes.
- [37:46]
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Saagar Enjeti
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- [39:53]
Saagar Enjeti
Turning now to media, I gotta say at the beginning, this one hurts. Dr. Peter Attia. I read his book, I listened to his show. He was, I thought he's one of the most well respected doctors. You know, longevity specialists really cut through a lot of the bs. Literally last week listened to a full episode that he's done. I've listened to multiple of his like followed a ton of his advice. So when I saw this, it was shocking. It's shocking too also in terms of the way that he's talked about family life and personal stuff. But look, I mean it's part of the public conversation and it is worth reporting on. So let's go to the next one and let's put this up here. So you have this email exchange from 2015 from Jeff. By the way, keep in mind the subject line because I'm not even sure what that means. God of Fresh Shipment, not sure what it says from Epstein. And then Atia writes here you the biggest problem with becoming friends with you, the life you lead is so outrageous and yet I can't tell a soul. Dot, dot dot.
- [40:55]
Krystal Ball
And the God of Fresh shipment appears to be a question, right? It's like cuz Epstein says frayed, not right.
- [41:03]
Saagar Enjeti
So please tell me you found that picture online. Bastard. Was another email that was written. So I again, I don't know exactly what the context of this exactly one is. Let's go to F2. I mean, you know, I don't even have words for this. Right. So you got a TIA here saying is indeed low carb. Still awaiting results on gluten content. February 2016. I, I look, locker room talk, I guess, but it's just one of those where. And we're not even going to read some of the other ones where he's talking about his personal life and his relationship with wife and, and that's all tawdry. But I mean, it's just, again, like I said, it's really tough for a lot of people like me and many others out there who've been relying on his advice and his health information. I mean, I can't be alone. There are millions. He has millions of followers, like, heeded his advice, like, really cut through, read the studies, elevated, I thought some of the best, most responsible voices in, like, in health and fitness. And I mean, everybody did know for years like, that he had this concierge doctor business with like, the rich and the powerful. And, you know, he'd had Hollywood celebrities on. There was a little bit of a red flag back in the day. Remember he posted this thing with Kevin Spacey. And I was like, that's a little weird, you know, because he said he unconditionally. And I was like, okay, you know, people can know Kevin Spacey. That's all fine. But yeah, I mean, this is tough. And it's also, by the way, in the context of Atia more recently, just got hired by CBS News. 60 Minutes just did a whole thing with him, which I thought was great. That's why this is so crazy. And, you know, even reading the list, I'm like, oh, this is, you know, the good actually Huberman and the tia These are these, this is good information. So I don't know how CBS is going to handle this one or, you know, how his own audience and all of that will react. I've looked. He hasn't said anything as of recently in terms of a statement, but this has been blowing up all over, you know, health, Instagram and much more, including many of his, you know, he's gonna have to address it presumably, you know, at some point. But he is one of the more prominent, like, media figures who was named here in the files. Yeah, not just named. I mean, you could see his own.
- [43:09]
Krystal Ball
Relationship and this is.
- [43:09]
Saagar Enjeti
There's hundreds of emails.
- [43:10]
Krystal Ball
There's a lot. It's not just the two. It was. There was a lengthy exchange. And again, we're talking about a time, 2015, 2016, when it is well known.
- [43:21]
Saagar Enjeti
Yeah.
- [43:21]
Krystal Ball
What is, you know, after the conviction. So you can't say, oh, I had no idea what was going on. And you can see the content of the type of discussions that they were having as well, and draw your own conclusions about what is going on there.
- [43:32]
Saagar Enjeti
That's right.
- [43:33]
Krystal Ball
Speaking of Barry, though, let's go ahead and put the F3 up on the screen. You've got some friendly exchanges between Barry's wife, Nellie Bowles, who also is like a, you know, founder. What is she? Editor at large of the Free Press. In any case, she's got some friendly exchanges here with Jeffrey Epstein. He's asking her, when are you and your babe back in New York City? The babe here being Bari Weiss. You've got some. Hello, Nelly. Jeffrey will be in New York tomorrow. On Wednesday. Might you be around, available to come meet him? Masha believes you will both enjoy each other's company. Perhaps Wednesday at 11am Jeffrey's home address is. Blah, blah, blah. Please let me know. Thanks. And so you've got these friendly exchanges, plans to get together, et cetera, back and forth between Barry Weiss's wife, Nellie Bowles, and to be fair, Nellie Bowles.
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Saagar Enjeti
Had written about it previously, you know, saying that she'd met with Epstein and all that. She said it was, you know, for work.
- [44:27]
Krystal Ball
Just saying she did cover, you know, elites. She covered Silicon Valley and other elites. So. Yeah, perhaps.
- [44:36]
Saagar Enjeti
No, I mean, look, I'm just saying, like, it's not like it was a secret. It's. Has anybody who watched the show. I'm not the biggest fan of the Free Press.
- [44:45]
Krystal Ball
Yeah.
- [44:45]
Saagar Enjeti
Or any of that. Just noting, you know, she had previously said. And yeah, it's not a secret, like I'd connected with them. But all of this, you know, in the context, kind of cbs, it is kind of crazy, the number of, like, weird connections that we're able to find. Let's put this next one up here. This is from Harrison Berger, who flagged multiple, showed up a bunch in Epstein files related to large wire transfers. You know, the problem with the context is we don't really see much beyond some of the overall amounts. But of course, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to see large wire transfers and all that going back and forth. But it does show some of the major figures here who were involved put F5 up on the screen now. For example, this one was showing Epstein relating to travel with Woody Allen back in March of 2012 for what was described in the correspondence as a pedophile convention. Seems to be a joke but it says question for you Paris with Woody Allen. Sorry for all the typos from Jeffrey to redacted. He replies for lay pedophile convention question mark. And Epstein replies back I think pedophile is the plural.
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Krystal Ball
So that's the type of that they're.
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Saagar Enjeti
All telling themselves behind the scenes. And then F6 if we will. I thought this was kind of interesting thread from Jeet here. Had my back and forth with Jeet over the years, but I'll give credit where it is due. He says the new batch shows to help illuminate a contemporary controversy. What's up with Barry Wise to up to cbs? I think the answer is she's trying to rehabilitate Epstein Network is a bulwark of reactionary centrism. I think really what he means by there by Epstein network is just like this general, you know, like global call and thought.
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Krystal Ball
We have the rest. Let's continue with this thread cause I thought this was interesting. He puts a bunch of the pieces together. He says let's lay out the connection. What you Weiss's partner and ideological collaborator, Nellie Bowles was on very familiar terms with Epstein. As we were just discussing Next one, announcing her plans for cbs, Weiss said she wants to marginalize the radical right and left while elevating charismatic. She actually said that centrist voices like Alan Dershowitz, Epstein's former lawyer and crony, and of course Next One. Another voice being elevated by Weiss is Peter Adia, who we were just discussing Next one. Of course, Weiss has brought on Steven Pinker to CBS who also has his connections. As part of her new town hall format, she had used Larry Summers for Free press. But of course Summers now because of his Epstein connections is too top toxic to rehabilitate. Next one, Weiss presents. Her mission at CBS is restoring trust by elevating centrist voices, which is accurate enough if we understand centrist voices to mean the type of men likely to hang out with. Jeffrey Epstein completely forgot to mention. Weiss did a lengthy friendly interview with one of Epstein's closest friends, Woody Allen, and then he concludes Weiss's project is creating an operation paperclip for Epstein's cronies, taking a group of discredited men, rehabilitating them as necessary pillars of system. Dershowitz and Peter Attia are the Wernher von Brauns of reactionary centrism. So putting some pieces together there. And I think that is a useful way of thinking about it and doesn't have to be conspiratorial. But obviously you see, you see in these files, you see the way power works, you see the network here, and they want to maintain their power and control. And in order to do that, you need media organs that are going to elevate you, that are going to manufacture consent for the world as you see it, and as you want other people to see it. That's what allows you to continue working the levers of power. And so I think when you put all of those pieces together, it's a pretty good theory of what she's up to there, of trying to. Trying to keep at bay the sort of. The reactionary right. Try to keep at bay the Bernie Sanders left. By the way, there is one funny mention of Bernie Sanders in the Files where Larry Summers is bitching about how some of his kids like Bernie Sanders too much. He and Norm Finkelstein are the only two people who come out of this looking better than before. Norm was offered to beat with Epstein and he was like, I would rather like that guy should be strangled. I would never meet with him, blah, blah, blah. So in typical Norm fashion, going very hard in the paint, disgusted at the even suggestion. And this was at a time when he was at a low point in his career. In any case, putting that aside, I mean, that is Barry's project is basically like, let me try to put back together the pieces of this collapsing world order and try to rebuild some of the powerful pillars of that world order. And people that I know are going to be amenable to that project. And so, you know, and not just Barry like the Ellisons, I think that is sort of broadly the project that they are engaged in.
- [49:29]
Saagar Enjeti
Yeah, I mean, that's why the irony of the whole. Not to make this into a whole CBS thing, but the whole CBS thing, the idea this is some revolutionary takeover is ridiculous. Like what it is, is about exactly kind of how we described it, you know, so called reactionary centrism, like making sure that everything is pro Israel. Making sure that the voices that we say are elevating that are not enough on media, in our media are like Mike Pompeo and H.R. mcMaster and, you know, a bunch of other folks who everybody in the media ideologically has largely agreed with now for a decade. Hillary Clinton, right, Bringing her on for some sort of stream. We're gonna do the fucking news. You know, she says but really not changing things up really at all and making it all part of like a broader Ellison empire. So in a way, like I think his idea here about protecting the Epstein like reactionary centrism, as Epstein thought, is very apt because that is what spans all of these emails, all of our coverage from throughout the day. You've got the deep state, you've got politicians, you've got people of influence and power, you've got the financial system. All of it is about protecting itself. It's all about making money. It's all about, you know, morality imposed upon others. But now morality that looks inside. Actually now when I think about it, it's very Victorian, where in the Victorian age, you know, all of the commoners were expected to uphold themselves to a very high moral standard and outwardly the king and the royalty and all of them would project that, but inwardly they were disgusting degenerates who were often some of the most like conducting the most degenerate behavior, but they themselves were like total hypocrites kind of protecting themselves in this power and influence. So I guess it's a tale as old as time.
- [51:07]
Ryan Grim
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- [52:09]
Saagar Enjeti
This is US Olympic gold medalist Tara Davis Woodhull and I'm US Paralympic gold medalist Hunter Woodhull.
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Krystal Ball
As athletes, our lives are about having.
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Saagar Enjeti
A clear path and a team that you can absolutely trust. So when it came to getting the best mortgage. We chose PennyMac.
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Krystal Ball
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Saagar Enjeti
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Krystal Ball
Hi, I'm Cindy Crawford and I'm the founder of Meaningful Beauty. Well, I don't know about you, but like, I never liked being told, oh wow, you look so good for your age. Like, why even bother saying that? Why don't you just say you look great at any age, every age. That's what Meaningful Beauty is all about. We create products that make you feel confident in your skin at the age you are now. Meaningful Beauty. Beautiful skin at every age. Learn more@meaningfulbeauty.com. Well, that's a good segue to our last piece here, which is just some of the things that you can't even really categorize. You know, they just depict the absolute, depraved, disgusting, like beyond belief type of activity. You know, it hints at it, right? This is all the little glimpses that we get. And we've talked about this before. Cause I mean, it really does. The birthday book was very eye opening for me, like page after page of the most disgusting, disturbing, dystopian references where that was the moment when we both were, oh, Eyes Wide Shut is the documentary. Like this is real life. And I genuinely, I believe so firmly now in the strongest possible way that being a billionaire, being extraordinarily powerful, being extraordinarily influential, you know, well positioned in these ways, it destroys your soul. It destroys your soul. It's not only bad for society, it is bad for you personally. And so as you said, you know, this type of depraved behavior, it's not new. This is something you see repeated over millennia with the top elites of their time, where the best I can psychologize is that because they have so much and because they also see themselves as being this distinct class of humans that are separate and above from all the rest, that first of all it excuses any sort of horror and abuse. And Jeffrey Epstein, clearly, if you read these emails, has a specific, like Jewish supremacist ideology that he believes in, which is part of his own mental architecture of why he believes he's justified in doing all of these things that he does because he's different, he's special, he's separate. These girls that he's abusing, they don't count in the same way. There's one email that we were talking about where he's pissed off at Bill Gates asking him for money for his projects in Africa. And he's basically like, this is some Catholic bullshit where they believe every human life is equal. That's what he says. Like, that he does not believe that every human life is equal. And he's disgusted that Bill Gates might subscribe to that ideology. So in any case, I think you get that mentality. You get this level of decadence, you know, the normal pleasures that you and I engage in, like, they don't hit the same. And so you just do this increasingly disgusting and depraved behavior and end up with, I mean, things that I think most ordinary people could not even conceive of. So let's go and put this, some of this together again. These are like the glimpses we get in these emails, right? There's this video of Epstein in a kitchen, and the girls here are redacted girls, women, we don't know their age. You can tell from the reflection that it is females. And you can hear their voices. You can see him, like, chasing them around the kitchen island, you know, in his sweatpants, and they're, you know, giggling, and he's going after them. That's enough of that. We can put. Let's put G2 up on the screen. This is another one of these perplexing photos where you're like, why did you let yourself be photographed like this? We don't know who this dude is laying with his belly hanging out in his underwear. And then two females of indeterminate age, potential victims. We don't know they're with him. So you got that one. Let's put this G3 up on the screen. This is from a Harvard professor. So says our spy was captured after completing her mission. This is from the Harvard professor. And Epstein replies, did you torture her? Okay, what does that mean? Does that mean what it appears to mean? Is this some sort of a. Some sort of a joke, an inside joke between the two of you? There were a number of references to torture in all of this. In addition, let's put G4 up on the screen. There was also a lot of language that appears to be coded regarding food. I wanted to let you know the crew really appreciated the pizza. Another email read, this is better than a Chinese cookie. See attached. Let's go for pizza and grape soda again. This one talks about. Yeah, that's the pizza. You mean Radiating a soft glow with the look of bliss and excitement. There's one more, I think, in this list as well. Sorry. I have no stomach for even the slightest aggro. I don't have the stomach for it, for any drama, imaginary or real. I'm still fragile off the last one and scared of shadows. This is in response to some videos that were shared where Jeffrey Epstein himself says, I watched all of these videos. Don't send any more. And then Ghislaine is like, I can't stomach any of this. This. What the fuck did you send that Jeffrey Epstein was like, no more.
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Saagar Enjeti
Well, and remember that they have some sort of opsec, because previously it said not for email. Again, I, I especially more recently after becoming a parent, like, I find a lot of this stuff, like, extremely difficult to even look at. And just think about how people could end up, like, in this type of situation and just the casual, callous nature in which they would talk a lot about women and use them as tools. I mean, for example, let's put this next one up here from Emily that she was able to find the Snow White was effed twice as soon as she put on her costume. Don't forget, there were previous, you know, there were previous references to a Snow White that we previously had made here before on the show regarding Jess Staley. We don't know if he was the person who sent this email, and perhaps this was just some sick game that he would set up for him and his friends. But you could see that put G6 up here on the screen. This was some guy who was proposing that Epstein would participate in some sort of modeling contest for all of the top girls inside of Russia. And so, like, these are all just, like, schemes, you know, with power and all of them behind them to victimize and to. To get women in positions of which they're subordinate to him, in which he's powerful over them. And look, I mean, we showed you guys the Andrew photos, but there's all kinds of creepy shit in there. Like, if you go through and there are hundreds of these photos, I click through the vast majority of them. People in, like, very compromising, like, weird sexual positions. By the way, the Dog J even accidentally released nude photographs in some cases. Most of them have been released now, but just to show you, like, their own redaction process. But the unfortunate part is they redact the names in many cases of, like, powerful guys. And then some of these women, you know, their photographs or others are being released without their consent or in a compromising position and they don't do anything. It's terrible. But, yeah, I mean, just my overall takeaway is There was some sick, sick, sick, deep, depraved stuff that was happening there. And I mean, this is part of the difficulty where, look, the pizza, like, you know, everyone likes to make fun of Pizzagate and all that. And sure, you know, it got out of control. However, the original idea of people referring to CSAM as pizza was a thing. That's kind of what the connection became. And you can look, I mean, you can't deny that a lot of these emails are very strange and do not make any sense in the context of actually talking about pizza because it was Internet slang that was previously that you were able to make the relation. I just don't see how you can't connect it, at least in some way. It's kind of like the Podesta thing. Everybody says you're a kook, go and look at photos from Tony Podesta's house if you've never seen it before and you're not gonna say at the very least a weird shit or it looked weird as shit in terms of the art in and of itself.
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Krystal Ball
Yep. Let me read one of these pizza ones again. This is better than a Chinese cookie. C attached. Let's go for pizza and grape soda again, no one else can understand. Does that seem like a normal thing that you draw your own couple of billionaires be sending to each other?
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Saagar Enjeti
That's what I mean.
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Krystal Ball
You draw your own pizza and grape soda.
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Saagar Enjeti
Yeah. You draw your own conclusions about what that means. Like I have no other way to describe it to you. It's just one of those where clearly they were up to some. I mean, don't forget that even in 2019, if you look at his Amazon receipts, which the bloom with Bloomberg went through, I mean, he was ordering all this like crazy sex shit on Amazon, which. In his receipts.
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Krystal Ball
Yeah.
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Saagar Enjeti
On top of what? Lolita, the revised annotated copy.
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Krystal Ball
Right.
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Saagar Enjeti
You know, it's like it was so out in the open, not only in terms of his friend group, but from behind the scenes and all the stuff they were up to. And remember everything we've shown you today is what they put in email. Well, he had a. Well, he had insight into what he wouldn't put into email and clearly was something.
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Krystal Ball
A couple other things to say about that. So when was it Todd Blanche that announced the Epstein files released anyway? He said that they left out any images of torture, death, abuse. That means they had images of torture, death and abuse that. Okay, so they still are holding on to that, which, I mean, true, I don't want to see that material, but it seems like potentially there needs to be some investigations there. Nobody was implicated outside of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, nobody else. There's nothing here of anyone that can be charged. I want to underscore again that by the government's own admission, there were 6 million files and they narrowed it down to 3 million files. So we are getting the hand picked view that they want us to have. So it's really important to keep that in mind as well. One thing with regard to the Pizzagate thing, so it looks from the files that fit, Epstein met with the. The 4chan guy who started the Paul board on 4chan, which was the. The place where Pizzagate and QAnon, where they come from. Okay. And they met on the same day that that board begins. So there's a lot of theorizing about, you know, I mean, this is a tale as old as time that the culture war is used to distract people from the real problems in society and the globe, which is the power of these very billionaires. So it's not crazy to imagine that they found all of these kooky conspiracy theories to be very useful that were. I mean, Pizzagate was stupid and bizarre. And so it made it very easy. And so was QAnon. And so it made it very easy for people to see all of this, the real things that were going on as preposterous. Right. And so the, you know, the New York Times of the world and whatever wouldn't deign to look into it. Media organizations involved directly in coverups, et cetera, because it was all painted as like just the, you know, the hobby horse of these crazy fringe conspiracy theorists. And again, like, Pizzagate and QANON were ridiculous things. Were they sort of put out there intentionally so that you, you know, are making the real part also seem like it's preposterous and like it's just an icky conspiracy theory that is, you know, one possibility. I'm not saying that's proven by this, but there's one possibility here. Let's put the next piece up on the screen from this is a Daily Mail write up of some of the allegations that were contained from a victim in these files. They say Jeffrey Epstein raped underage girls several times a day as part of a sickening routine. Detailed new documents released by the Department of Justice, an alleged victim in a civil complaint filed in Florida in 2010 revealed the process that young girls endured upon their arrival at his Palm beach mansion. Each girl was brought to his home in private transportation arranged by Epstein, greeted by an Assistant who collected her personal information, then led up a remote flight of stairs to a room containing a shower and massage table. If it was her first encounter with the pedophile, another girl would be in the room to lead the way. Before being dismissed by Epstein, the alleged victim claimed Epstein would then have his massage wearing only small towel, which eventually would be removed. He gave his victim specific instructions as to where and how he wanted things done and would order them to strip naked. The complaint released in Friday's Epstein files revealed. So this is, you know, one of the alleged victims. This is what she told the FBI. And I mentioned this earlier, I mentioned it again. We did get a look of that draft indictment before the sweetheart deal is crafted where you had, what, a dozen plus victims who had come forward and testified a very similar term to this level of abuse that they had been subjected to. Girls as young as 14 who spoke to authorities about this.
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Saagar Enjeti
Yeah, let me just.
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Krystal Ball
And were betrayed and were ultimately betrayed.
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Saagar Enjeti
Because for years people have said, Dershowitz, for example, has defended like, oh, the victim was only stepped. No, no, the plea only happened because they picked the oldest girl that was involved. But remember, and if you read that indictment, which, by the way, I'd been waiting for it for a long time to actually see the original case, look, you can read it yourself. Acosta is claiming, though, that he didn't have enough to be able to prosecute. But if you read the allegations and all of that made within, you can see that they had a much stronger and bigger one that would have sent him to jail forever. Very different from what he eventually pled guilty to later on. And that backs up everything that we have said here over the years. I mean, the FBI agents and others had told us specifically about this case and about some of the details. But to read it and to finally see it all for yourself, it basically, I mean, look, it does make it so that all the people who originally defended the plea deal, they look like idiots, in my opinion. Like, if you read through it, it's obvious. And so I don't know, I guess that's it for all of us today. But, yeah, I hope it was useful.
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Krystal Ball
To everyone and I'll just say put.
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Saagar Enjeti
A lot of work into it.
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Krystal Ball
The victims who have come forward, the survivors have said they, you know, they continue to be disgusted with the COVID up. They continue to be disgusted with the fact that victim details were revealed, the names of powerful men were protected and redacted. The Department of Justice continues to be in violation of the law that was passed and signed into law by President Trump about the level that they're supposed to release, the amount of documents they're supposed to release, what is supposed to be contained in there, what they're supposed to redact, what they're not supposed to redact, et cetera. So, so we'll leave it at that. And I'm sure, Look, it was 3 million files. It's a lot. There will continue to be things that come out. Anything we find noteworthy we will continue to cover. But we wanted to do as comprehensive an overview of what we had seen so far and the portrait that that all paints.
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Saagar Enjeti
Exactly. So we did our best. We collated all the stuff. This was all publicly released information from the doj. In many cases where people had given statements about it, we, we made an effort to read those on here and just wanted to make clear that, you know, these were information that was released, you know, by the doj. Being mentioned doesn't necessarily implicate wrongdoing. And to our best of ability, we've contextualized it here on the show. Okay, thank you all so much for watching. We appreciate it. We'll be back here tomorrow.
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