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6/24/25: Trump Loses It On Israel After Ceasefire Violation, Colbert Vs Zohran Ahead Of NYC Primary
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Sagar Enjeti
Very quickly to say the least. We are going to have Professor Jeffrey Sachs join us later in the show, so really looking forward to that. Emily is going to go through some of the key clips from her interview with Tucker, but yeah, we want to just jump right in because things are moving so incredibly quickly this morning. Donald Trump coming out, guns blazing, threatening Both Israel and Iran, not to violate a ceasefire that he helped to broker yesterday. I'm going to play the full comments here so you can really get a full sense of what is going on. And then after that I'll back up and we'll walk you through exactly how we got to this point. Go ahead and take a listen. Do you believe that Iran is still committed to the peace?
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Donald Trump
Yeah, I do. They violated it, but Israel violated it too. Are you questioning if Israel is committing Israel? As soon as we made the deal, they came out and they dropped a load of bombs the likes of which I've never seen before. The biggest load that we've seen. I'm not happy with Israel. You know, when I say, okay, now you have 12 hours, you don't go out in the first hour and just drop everything you have on them. So I'm not happy with them. I'm not happy with Iran either. But I'm really unhappy if Israel is going out this morning because the one rocket that didn't land, that was shot perhaps by mistake, that didn't land, I'm not happy about that. You know what we have? We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't know what the fuck they're doing. Do you understand that?
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Ryan Seacrest
You don't believe that Iran can rebuild its nuclear program.
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Donald Trump
Iran will never rebuild its nuclear from there. Absolutely not. That place is under rock. That place is demolished. The B2 pilots did their job. They did it better than anybody could even imagine. They hit late in the evening, it was dark with no moon and they hit that target with every one of those things and that place is gone. But when I see CNN all night long they're trying to say, well, maybe it wasn't really as demolished as we thought it was demolished. You take a look at the pinpricks and you see that place is gone. And I will say I think CNN ought to apologize to the pilots of the B2s. I think that Ms. CEO to apologize.
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Sagar Enjeti
So there you have it. President saying he is very unhappy with Israel dropping a load of bombs. Also saying that he thinks these are two countries that have been fighting for so hard and so long they don't know what the F they're doing. Dropping the F bomb here. This comes on the heels of a whole lot. I'll just go ahead and put up the or read through the true social posts that have come out just this morning. Again, this is in the context and I'll show you all of this in just A moment of a ceasefire deal that the President announced yesterday evening. So first thing we got this morning is President Trump posted Israel do not drop those bombs. If you do, it is a major violation. Bring your pilots home now. Donald J. Trump President UNITED States Next, he posted israel is not going to attack Iran. All planes will turn around and head home. While doing a friendly plane wave, he puts in quotes to Iran, Nobody will be hurt. The ceasefire is in effect. Thank you for your attention to this matter. And then the latest one that we got, and by the way, we're recording this at 8:08am this morning. This is from about half an hour ago. Iran will never rebuild their nuclear facilities. And that was the other significant part, Sagar, of what the President was insisting on there in his rant and screed against CNN and msnbc, msdnc, as he was calling it, is the fact that insisting that the nuclear facilities that we bombed were completely obliterated. I think this being significant because he want to be able to claim that something was accomplished with this incredibly dangerous and escalatory mission that he engaged in.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, look, I mean, I think even before we get to the macro, it's really just worth ruminating on the last 12 hours, because originally we had the ceasefire. We can actually put that up on the screen. A1, please, just to show everybody this is how things started out. Congratulations to everyone. It's been fully agreed, there'll be a ceasefire. Then this is the confusing part. Officially, Iran will start the ceasefire. And upon the 12th hour, Israel will start the ceasefire. And upon the 24th hour, an official end to the 12 Day War will be saluted by the world. Now, immediately after that, there was some confusion and some reporting that came out as to whether it was all even true. Put A two, please, up on the screen so you can see it was like Trump, Israel and Iran agreed to a ceasefire. Then Iran, we have not received any ceasefire proposal. Israel, we are declining to comment on any ceasefire. Iran says they have agreed to the US Proposed ceasefire, but they propose a different timeline than the one that was offered by Trump. 3:30am Jerusalem time. Initially, then we see reports that Israel actually carries out its strongest strikes ever of the entire campaign all across the city of Tehran. Something that Trump mentioned in his tirade saying, who in the first hour of ceasefire goes in there and blows it up? We're like, oh, interesting. You know, we're starting to pay attention a little bit here to what these Israeli strikes actually are going to do. Then what happens is that the Iranians fire missiles also after their so called 4am deadline that their own foreign minister announces last night actually a significant amount of missiles on four civilians were killed inside of Israel and there's a significant amount of damage then this was roughly three hours before we're filming. The IDF announces that they are going to obliterate Tehran. They're going to strike back. The war cabinet approves. Itvar Ben GVIR posts One of those things being like, you guys asked for it, we're coming for you. IDF jets are literally over the skies of Tehran and then Trump walks out onto the South Lawn and that's where he gives his Tyrone the tirade. They don't know what the fuck they're doing. Very upset with Israel. Orders Israel by Truth Social to stop. And so that's where things stand. As for right now, it has been like an Absolutely insane 24 hour period. But yeah, let's then take a step back and actually look analytically at everything that's this is the fakest end of a conflict and beginning of a conflict of all time. So Israel and we haven't even gotten to the fact that the Iran, you know, launched 14 missiles at a US air base in Qatar, our largest air.
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Sagar Enjeti
Base in the region.
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Ryan Seacrest
The largest air base in the region. Huge logistics hub. I talked a lot about it yesterday actually. Can we put some of the VO of that please? 7 Guys, can we go ahead and show it to everybody? You got some US service members that are cheering on Patriot batteries and the show, I mean it's pretty surreal as people know. I went to high school in Qatar, so it was pretty insane. Literally, I've been to that air base, went to high school there. I knew some people who still live in the country. It's pretty wild that the airspace was closed, you know, Qatar Airways, one of the largest carriers in the world, turning planes around in the middle of the sky. It was a very dangerous situation. So that is happening. Immediately afterwards, the Iranians basically the news comes out that they coordinated their strike with Qatar and gave a heads up to the United States. It was a very, very calibrated response. It was the off ramp. Trump takes the off ramp and he's like, thank you Iran for giving us a heads up about the strike. There's been no damage here at the air base. No Americans were killed. Now it's time for world. So Iran executes a fake attack on America. America does basically a fake claim. We get to pretend that Iran's nuclear program is gone. This is all a fugazi, let's all be honest. And then Israel gets to, I guess, pretend that this was really about the nuclear program and not about regime change this entire time. So it's just, it's a fake. It's fake literally all around. Everyone is pretending at every level. I mean, the truth is, is that the Iranian nuclear program and the uranium stockpile remains intact despite whatever they want to claim. I saw the Vice President on Fox News. It's been buried. And actually it's no longer a problem. There's literally not a scrap of evidence to back that up. In fact, all arms control people are saying, actually we know exactly where it is and they do have still some secret facilities. They're roughly three to five years away, likely from being able to create a nuclear bomb if they wanted to. In fact, the strategic logic of doing so probably has never existed more on the Israeli side. I mean, it's pretty obvious that from day one, none of this was really about the nuclear weapons program because they're blowing up half of the regime and executing all of these people. Okay. And then again on the Iranian side, I mean, look, we can't, you know, it's like it's been embarrassing for them as well. I mean, they had their entire command and control basically, you know, basically infiltrated by Mossad. Yes, they were able to establish some credible ballistic missile deterrent, but they had their whole air defense systems that were wiped out. And the reason they took their off ramp is because at the end of the day, they were getting pounded and they were at serious risk.
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Sagar Enjeti
I think Iranians, I mean, they weren't the ones on the on ramp to start with. So like, for them to take the off ramp was because they didn't want this war to begin with.
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Ryan Seacrest
That's also the strategic logic of this where, you know, on the one hand, Iran is a regime of Nazis who chant death to America, but then on the other, they are a restrained and rational party giving heads up to the United States of America and to Israel and taking the first chance at an off ramp in a ceasefire. So which one is it?
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Sagar Enjeti
Can we hold on that point? Because I want people to really think about this. I want you to think about the way that the Iranians have been portrayed in mass American media, certainly my entire life, as this Nazi esque belligerent regime, that the moment they got a nuke was going to come and blow up New York City. Right. That's how we're supposed to understand them. But not only in this conflict. Okay, let's be really clear. The Iranians are the ones that de escalated and created the possibility of de escalation because our actions of dropping a dozen bunker buster bombs on their nuclear facilities, our actions were incredibly inflammatory and escalatory. Their reaction to that was to tell us, hey, listen, we gotta do something in response to this, but here's where it's gonna be, here's when it's gonna be. So we can just do a performative strike that is not gonna actually cause any damage, which it didn't, and certainly no casualties, which it also didn't, so that we have a chance at taking the tensions down incredibly. Look, I mean, I'm not sure it was the right decision. In fact, I think if there's any critique, strategically, just tactically, of the Iranian government, it's actually that they've been too weak in response to the provocations, especially the provocations from Israel and also the, you know, provocations from Trump in his first term when he assassinated Qasem Soleimani. What he learned from that is there's no price to be paid from messing with them. And so that's, you know, if anything, tactically, that would be the critique of them. And yet we're supposed to believe that they are hell bent on getting a nuclear weapon and that the second they do, they're going to drop it on Kansas or Missouri or New York City or whatever. This is preposterous. It's total and complete nonsense. The people have been behaving like the biggest maniacs, psychopaths, and completely rogue regime that do actually have a secret nuclear program are the Israelis. They are the provocateurs here. Now, listen, Trump does not get off the hook. He decided that he wanted to engage with Israel in this incredibly stupid, foolish, dangerous game and now he's pretending to. Your point about the fakery, he's pretending, oh, we obliterated their nuclear probe. Okay, look, if that's what we need, if that's what you need to pretend in order to get.
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Ryan Seacrest
Sure.
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Sagar Enjeti
But the reality is, what have we. In those of us who are living in the real world, what have we actually gained? What we've actually gained is we provided more incentive for the Iranians to pursue a nuclear weapon. We have allowed Israel to, you know, you give those people an inch, they take a mile. If you think this is it and it's over and it's done. You think Bibi Netanyahu is about to wake up today and say, you know, regime change in Iran, I don't really need that. I'm good. You know, now that they dropped their bunker busters and the nuclear program is not at all decimated. I'm good, I can just sit back and it'll be fine. No, he and his allies, of which he has many in this town, as Lord knows we've seen, and the media, he and his allies will keep pushing, keep pushing. There will be another. Oh, Iran violated the ceasefire. Now we have to bomb this. This will not be the last time. Because they roll out this playbook every single time. I don't know if there's ever been a ceasefire agreement that Israel has agreed to that they haven't violated.
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Ryan Seacrest
Happened in Lebanon. Exactly. And look, I mean, this is again why this whole maga cope is driving me crazy. Because what you're watching here is not some grand master plan. It is utterly schizophrenic. And we know this. I even know it. I've spent the last two weeks of my life on the phone. And it's ironic because they're like, we trusted the plan all along. And I'm like, do you wanna know who didn't trust the plan? A massive number of people with top secret security clearance working in national security in this White House situation room or around it, in the Pentagon, in the State Department, in the intelligence community who thought that we were this close to the brink of war because of the capricious nature of the way Trump has done this. Remember? Let's just look again at the public statements, just from the. And again, there's no, actually, there's really no plan behind this. Initially America has nothing to do with the strike, cuz it's a quote, yellow light. Then Trump gets excited and then we're going all in. We're actually okay with all of it. And then America is gonna come in. We give them a two week pause, but actually bomb them. After two days, we demand unconditional surrender and we sign a ceasefire within 48 hours of after bombing them. It's like by your own admission, literally nothing of what you said makes any sense. The diplomacy was used as a ruse. And then you demand, and then you're saying we're gonna have regime change. So what happened to unconditional surrender? Which is it? And this is exactly the problem is that the Israelis having a major strategic opening here if they need it. Trump is angry because he didn't get his PR win initially. Now they get to go right back to work on him, just like they did with the negotiat negotiations. Remember, if this doesn't not end today, Trump wants it to end today. But what will happen already today, Trump.
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Sagar Enjeti
Wants it to End today.
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Ryan Seacrest
Exactly. Trump wants to end today. He's like, we will now have peace for all time. He literally said that. I'm not joking. I'm like, okay, well I've already watched and I follow all of these people religiously. Mark Dubowitz, Jason Brodsky, all these other United Against Nuclear Iran, the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, all of the actual neocon operatives here in Washington whose job is to lobby against deals, all of are already like, listen, look, Trump, cease fire. It's a historic achievement. However, as long as the Islamic regime remains in place, Israel is no longer safe. Or now we have to get back to the negotiating table. And when we get back to that negotiating table, we cannot let the Iranians put in any poison pills. They are laying the ground there for more violations of potential ceasefire, future Israeli action, more pushing the United States. And look at the vector now that they have on Donald Trump. All they have to do is to convince him that he's been humiliated by Iran or something like that. And of course he could change his mind immediately. Mark Levin is immediately on his radio show saying that doing a ceasefire with Nazis is terrible strategy hard against Donald Trump. I'm watching the same thing. Half of these like neocon agitating accounts. They're furious with Trump actually for restraining Israel because Iran broke the ceasefire. Look, I don't even know who broke the ceasefire because I don't know when the damn ceasefire even started. I don't think you read that tweet and you tell me if you can decipher what it is. And by the way, it's not just me, the Israelis and the Iranians are confused as well. So look, we're still in a bad situation. This is very, very mission accomplished to me. He wanted it to be the 12 day war and you can see it in his television brain. This is pr, but this is real life. And by the way, even if it was such a grand strategic success, did a single thing get accomplished that couldn't have been accomplished with Steve Witkoff? I just don't believe it. Right.
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Sagar Enjeti
Oh, quite the contrary. No, it set us back.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The strategic logic of going for a bomb has literally never made. In fact, the neocon logic may actually be more correct today that the Iranian incentive would be to string along the west to agree to some, you know, half assed deal or whatever and sprint to a bomb. I'm telling you, that's what I would do. Now look, the Iranians are weak. You know, they've been humiliated, but they still they remain to fight another day. Again, like the logic of shelter in place, bunker down, build as many ballistic missiles and sprint to a nuke has literally never made more sense. Their country was almost destroyed. Like they got their air defenses gone, they got their nuclear facilities bombed. All their attempts at diplomacy were failures. So they'll take the out where they can. But I mean, if you are one of those negotiation peddlers inside the Iranian regime, what legitimacy do you have now with the security establishment? Again, have some strategic empathy. So they're suicidal, but also they live to fight another day. And in a certain sense, like what has happened to them is so humiliating now on the world stage that I don't know if they really have a choice to go otherwise. And I'm not even really sure what assurances we can offer them to say that this won't ever happen again. Considering, you know, the last 10 years of diplomacy, what are they going to do?
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Sagar Enjeti
There's zero assurance we could offer them.
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Sagar Enjeti
The minute that they give up their nuclear. You know, what they have right now is this 60% highly enriched uranium which we've heard endlessly about. They have that as a bargaining chip. They have that as something they can get rid of in order to get some sort of a deal on sanctions relief and whatever, they give that up. They are just sitting ducks. You know that. And if they give up even the pretense of pursuing some sort of nuclear weapon, which again, they weren't, according to our intelligence, according to the iaea, they were not pursuing a nuclear weapon. They were using the 60% enriched uranium as a bargaining chip in the negotiations. But. But yeah, the minute you give all of that up, you're sitting duck. And you can't trust us. Are you kidding me? Trust us? We use this diplomacy as a ruse to allow the Israelis the element of surprise, you know, extent they were able to achieve that. Then we used a second diplomatic effort as a resistance even to talk about the fact we actually used a diplomatic ruse to assassinate Qasem Soleimani to begin with. You can't trust us. We're at their floating assassination of your leader, of the ayatollah and, you know, partner with these psychos who will do it at a moment's notice the second they get a chance. So, I mean, you'd have to be a fool to trust us in those negotiations, trust any sort of assurances that we're going to let you live and let your country be. There's no way. So that's where we are. I mean, you, I think, genuinely had a shot with the Wyckoff negotiations back in the beginning when Wyckoff and Trump's position seemed to be that there was some sort of a deal that could be struck with regard to civilian nuclear usage, some sort of regional consortium, that there was some creative solution that could be worked out. I think you genuinely had a shot at a deal. The minute it was zero percent enriched uranium, then that was a poison pill meant to kill those negotiations. And then when we used the final round as a ruse, at least that's the public portrayal as a ruse in order to allow the Israelis to attack, then you have probably completely closed the possibility of working this out through diplomatic means, which, listen, there are no guarantees in life. Would that have completely guaranteed that they could never and would never pursue a nuclear weapon? No, there's no guarantees in life. Was that a much better course that was much more likely to result in the outcome that you claim to want to achieve? Yes, but that's the thing, guys. This was never for the people who are pushing this policy. This is never about the nuclear weapons program. They want the Iranian state to collapse. They want it to be a failed state. They would be happy to see some disastrous civil war, some disastrous and deadly civil war that is spiraling out of control that would create a massive refugee crisis. That's what the Israelis and their allies and the neocons want to see so that there is no challenge to complete and total Israeli hegemony in the region. That is the goal. That has always been the goal. The Israelis are not shy about saying ultimately that that is the goal. And that's why all these people, you know, the Mark Levins of the world and whoever, are just utterly outraged that there's even a possibility that this is the off ramp that we take. But, you know, listen, everyone should be very skeptical that it ends here. Even if it ends here, this has been disastrous, let's be clear. But you should also be skeptical that it actually ends here, because Sager's right. You were right in the beginning when you said, listen, the people who want diplomacy, they have to win the battle every single day. The psychos only have to win it once. They only have to get, you know, a Fox News segment that convinces Trump one time, and suddenly you're off to the races again. The Israelis, because they are so hell bent, Netanyahu in particular, but the Israelis in general so hellbent on this outcome of regime collapse, they are not going to stop trying to pull us in and make sure that they get their fondest wish. That is their goal. They are completely and utterly committed to it. And unless you have someone on the other side in Trump who is completely and utterly committed to an alternative outcome, which would be actual peace and diplomacy, they are going to be able to ultimately get their way, because no ideology is not a match for an ideological goal that you are dead set on effectuating. So I think we continue to be in an incredibly dangerous and unstable place, as is seen this morning. And also, I mean, the last thing I'll say here is like, you know, Trump is making A big show this morning. We also know that a bunch of the things he said in the past were completely and totally fake, so. And were meant as a show. So you also can't put that off the table, that this is another show. We just genuinely don't know. It seems like he's genuinely frustrated with the Israelis. That would be my guess, I think. But you can't put that possibility off the table.
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Ryan Seacrest
All of it shifts, sir, quickly. I don't think that there's. In fact, I know that there's not a level of intention behind it, because all of it really is just about how he feels in this moment. It's about the show. He loves Trump the peacemaker. As you can all see, he's desperate to win the Nobel Peace Prize because Barack Obama, I mean, falsely got one in 2009. But the point remains, that's what he wants at this moment. But he also wanted to appear tough and strong and got dragged, basically, or at least went along with it. Based upon, with Fox News, of course. The man has agency. But, yeah, I mean, the incredible amount of, like, trust, the plan and all of this, it's so utterly preposterous. There was no plan. It was moving about from day to day. We came to the brink of war like this. The only reason, by the way, that there was an off ramp was because of restraint from the Iranian side. You know, somebody riddle me that, in terms of what that means, basically, everyone reiterate, again, is pretending that all of its major goals were accomplished. The Iranians are lying, the Americans are lying, and the Israelis are lying. Now, I guess, you know, that's far preferable to war breaking out. I'm happy. And listen, I would love to see an actual diplomatic solution that comes, you know, that actually happens with Steve Witkoff and some future negotiation between Israel, Iran and the United States. But what it would require is the Donald Trump of today basically coming hard against the Israelis and doing that every day, I was gonna say. And the problem with that is we've seen it once or twice. Oh, you can't attack Iran. I'm frustrated with you. You're gonna take this ceasefire in Gaza. But what's usually the story, the ceasefire in Gaza happens and then what, collapses 60 days later and now they're rolling Gaza. I mean, it's probably never been worse than it is today. And then what happened again? Oh, you can't attack Iran in April. 61 days later, boom, they attack Iran. So we have a proven track record here. Now, hopefully he learns from that. Again, I am Very, very hopeful. But I think that the pro war side is riding so high right now from being able to even just accomplish this. And they're gonna claim a lot of credibility. And Trump is a person who really can see, like, where his media and of course the media is playing a role. CNN's yesterday talking about how this is one of the greatest achievements of Donald Trump's entire presidency. One of the greatest legacies, you know, in the Middle East, Right? Like, he's a showman. He can see and eats all of this stuff up. So, yeah, for me, very mission accomplished vibe. Like, the idea this is really gonna end on day 13. I just think it's preposterous. And I actually think he's just opened up like Pandora's box and this problem will now bedevil him for four years. It will just constantly rear its ugly head. Can you really force the Israelis to accept a deal? Maybe. I mean, honestly, if any president could, he could do it, but then he would have to want to do it.
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Sagar Enjeti
No, of course.
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Ryan Seacrest
And I just don't know if that's gonna happen.
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Sagar Enjeti
Of course he could do it. Of course. Any American president can say to the Israelis at any time, like, that's it. Your aid is pulled. You're not getting these weapons anymore. You're done. If it was not already clear to you how dependent on us they are in order to do anything, then, I mean, I think this whole provocation and war that the Israelis launched should have proved that to you. Because they came in knowing that they could not come close to achieving their goals without getting us to come in. They were running low on interceptors. I mean, I actually think that's another important aspect of, like, okay, if you ask, well, why did they agree to this at this point? I think, yes, the Iranians, it doesn't surprise me. They were looking for an off ramp because, as I said before, they were not looking for an on ramp to begin with. For the Israelis, I think they likely agreed to it because they were having this issue with interceptors running low. We don't know how much damage they were taking, but they took some significant amount of damage in Tel Aviv and Haifa and other places. And so I think they accepted this as a way to effectively regroup group and have this sort of planned down as like a phased war approach. And so that's likely why they were willing to say, okay, fine, we will do a ceasefire. Do you think they mean we're now going to have permanent peace? You think that? No, of course not. Because the other piece of this and it does get lost sometimes. It's really important to highlight is not only do you have, this is a multi decade goal of Netanyahu and other Israeli government and huge mass Israeli public support for it as well, but this also, what are we not having as much time to talk about when we are endlessly having to cover whether we are, you know, in this war and not in this war and what bombs we're dropping and what it accomplished, whatever. It makes it very difficult to really focus on what is happening in Gaza. And what is happening in Gaza is horrific. I mean, it really may be some of the worst things we have ever seen. The entire population crowded into a tiny space, rampant, you know, disease and waste and horror. And then you have these near daily, if not daily aid massacres that are just ongoing. I mean, this is just what's happening in Gaza right now. And so Iran is also provides cover for Netanyahu to be able to finish his ethnic cleansing and genocide in Gaza and in the west bank as well. That is, that is the, you know, another big piece of this picture that we can't miss out on, which is something that Professor Mearsheimer highlighted yesterday as well. That, that's a really important piece of understanding their motivations and what is going on here. So that motivation is not going to go away. The longtime desire to destroy Iran and make it so it cannot possibly be anything approaching a competitor to Israel in the region, that is gone. And let me just say, you know, for the neocons out there who say, you know, good luck, let's, let's let that happen and let's make Iran a failed state or install the Shah or whatever fairytale fantasy outcome they have in mind. You think it stops there? I mean, next, then they'll say, well, what about Pakistan? Pakistan could be a challenge to us, or maybe it's. What about Turkey? Turkey could be a challenge to us. You cannot bomb your way to safety and security in the region. Israel is making themselves the most hated country in the world right now. That is not a way to make you and your people and your security. That is not a way to create safety for your own people. So this logic never stops. Even if they get their disastrous war that ends in complete chaos and misery in Iran, even then the logic doesn't stop. So that's where we are. Any other thoughts on this saga before we move on? Because we do have some other things we wanna cover, but I think it's very, very, as we record this this morning, it is very uncertain what is ultimately going to unfold.
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Ryan Seacrest
And where we're going now, the Prime Minister's office just came out and be like, all the war's goals have been accomplished from the Israelis. Which, again, ridiculous. My last closing thought is, guess it turns out Trump can't order Netanyahu in the idf. Right. Interesting. No, that's actually. So that's a pretty key point. So if the President can indeed order the Israeli prime minister and the IDF to do whatever he wants to do, you should take note of that, because we were told, what Israel is an independent country, they're going on their own, he couldn't stop them. What's he gonna do, tell them? No, he just did. Their planes literally turned around in the sky. Yes, they still dropped a bomb on Tehran, but apparently it was like a radar installation and it didn't kill anybody, at least according to the initial reports right now. And they were actually going in to basically raze the place to the ground in response to these ballistic missiles. So I think that's a very interesting lesson, isn't it? Because we were told repeatedly that that's not possible. It's definitely possible if it's something that you want to do. And by the way, Trump now tells reporters aboard Air Force One he's not looking for regime change as long as a tentative ceasefire takes hold. So things are changing. Yeah, it's like things can change every single day. It would be funny, except hundreds of people are actually dead as a result of this. Innocent civilians in Tehran and in Tel Aviv and all across of Israel. And who knows where things will go in terms of this nuclear program.
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Sagar Enjeti
And you've made it much more likely that Israel, I mean, that Iran or Israel already has large nuclear weapons, Hundreds of nuclear weapons. Yeah, at least 90 that we know of for sure.
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Ryan Seacrest
I thought it was 200.
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Sagar Enjeti
Could be.
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Ryan Seacrest
I think Colin Powell said 200.
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Sagar Enjeti
Really?
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Ryan Seacrest
In WikiLeaks. I'm pretty sure I have to go back. It's been a while since I looked at it.
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Sagar Enjeti
They have a lot. Iran has zero. And now Iran has much more motivation to pursue one. So. Great. And by the way, around the world, other countries are watching those go on coin.
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Ryan Seacrest
Be like, yeah, I really need to get.
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Sagar Enjeti
Maybe I need a nuke so these people can't with me. Because that seems to be the only thing that will deter us and the Israelis from coming in and trying to destroy your entire country.
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Ryan Seacrest
There we go.
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Sagar Enjeti
All right. It is primary day in the New York City mayoral race. As a reminder, Griffin and Ryan will be in New York City tonight at the Zoran Mamdani Election Night Watch party. So hopefully we're going to be able to grab Zoron. We've got some other people that we're going to be able to talk to that I think you're going to be excited about. Emily and I are going to be here at home sort of heading that live stream or whatever being playing quarterback on that live stream so that they can go and grab people. And we're also going to cover whatever news comes out today because God knows by tonight what state of the world we're going to be in. So that's going to kick off at 8:30. Thank you so much. The premium subscribers who made this possible to do an extra show today obviously cost to be able to travel and get the right equipment and get the set up and all of that sort of stuff. So really, really appreciate you guys. If you all can Support us@breakingpoints.com that's where you can also become a premium subscriber and get all the goodies that that entails. So all of that being said, Zoran Mamdani and Brad Lander who have cross endorsed each other. Lander is another local elected official who's progressive, has a close alliance with aoc, so they cross endorse each other. It's also significant because Lander is the highest Jewish elected official in the city. And given the fact that a core strategy of the Cuomo campaign has been to smear Zoran as an anti Semite, that cross endorsement and plan to say like, okay, my supporters, you need to rank Zoron and Zorin supporters need to rank Brad Lander. That has been I think very significant, very important to his campaign. So the two of them went on Colbert last night together and lo and behold, Zoran faced questions from Stephen Colbert exactly along these lines of basically, are you an anti Semite or not? Let's go ahead and take a listen to how he responded.
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Zoran Mamdani
Mr. Mamdani, same question. Does the state of Israel have the right to exist?
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Trey Farrow
Yes. Like all nations, I believe it has a right to exist and a responsibility also to uphold international law.
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Zoran Mamdani
Okay, well, let's talk about the elephant in the room is that there are many people in New York, even people who would support your candidacy otherwise, who don't want to support you because of the Jewish community's fear of the true and rising anti Semitism not only around the world, but in this country and shamefully in New York, which is the largest Jewish population of any city other than Tel Aviv, Tel Aviv, in the whole world. And they are worried. They're very upset by some of the things that you've said in the past. And they are afraid that your mayorship would actually lead to increased anti Semitism, that they believe that that would be more dangerous for them. What do you say to those New Yorkers who are afraid that you wouldn't be their mayor, that you wouldn't protect them?
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Trey Farrow
You know, I know where that fear is coming from. It's a fear that is based upon the horrific attacks we've seen in Washington D.C. in Boulder, Colorado. It's a fear all the way from.
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Zoran Mamdani
Jews will not replace us to today.
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Trey Farrow
And it's a fear that I hear also from New Yorkers themselves. You know, just a few days after the horrific war crime of October 7, a friend of mine told me about how he went to his synagogue for Shabbat services and he heard the door open behind him and a tremor went up his spine as he turned around, not knowing who was there and what they meant for him. I spoke to a Jewish man in Williamsburg just months ago who told me that the door he left unlocked for decades is now one that he locks. And ultimately this is because we're seeing a crisis of anti Semitism. And that's why at the heart of my proposal for a Department of Community Safety is a commitment to increase funding for anti hate crime programming by 800%. Because to, to your, to your, to your point, antisemitism is not simply something that we should talk about. It's something that we have to tackle. We have to make clear there's no room for it in this city, in this country, in this world, and, and.
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Zoran Mamdani
No justification for violence of any kind.
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Trey Farrow
No, there, there is, there is no room for violence.
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Zoran Mamdani
I'm a proud Jewish New Yorker raising two Jewish kids here is the joy of my life. I'm the highest ranking Jewish elected official in New York City government. I'm nervous about rising anti Semitism. And also I believe in the humanity and the human rights of Palestinians. And I know that it is possible. I support that vision of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state. But I hate what the Netanyahu government is doing in Gaza. And I've been saying that a long time. And look, no mayor is going to be responsible for what happens in the Middle East. But there is something quite remarkable about a Jewish New Yorker and a Muslim New Yorker coming together to say, here's how we protect all, all New Yorkers.
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Ryan Seacrest
Jews.
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Zoran Mamdani
Jewish New Yorkers and Muslim New Yorkers are not going to be divided from each other. We build a city where you have affordable housing and good schools and safe neighborhoods for everyone.
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Sagar Enjeti
So Sagar, I'm interested for your reaction. I mean, it's just preposterous to me that Israel in this, you know, smear of Zoran as an anti Semite has become so central in this campaign. I almost can't blame though Colbert for asking him about it. It because Cuomo has put it so front and center. And to be honest, I thought that answer from Zorin was fantastic. I mean, classic. Like first he connects on an emotional level with these personal stories. And then he's like. And that's why here's my policy. And you're sitting there next to Brad Lander, who then comes in after Zoron speaks and is like, you know, and defends him. And in a way that I think also was, you know, was very powerful. So I actually think that moment probably. Listen, I mean, the cake is probably baked at this point anyway. But I actually think that moment ends up serving him because he handled it so well. You hear the audience with him. You've got Brad Lander there to also sort of validate what he's saying. And so to me, it was actually a positive opportunity that he handled quite well here going into election day.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, I don't disagree. I guess for me, it's just so tiresome that the New York City. Look, I don't live in New York. I'm not a New Yorker. New Yorkers, you do what you want. But my point is like. Like, look, the last thing that I honestly care about from the mayor's point of view is their views on the Israeli Palestinian conflict. You know, I've lived here. I actually have no idea what my own personal mayor's views are on various foreign conflicts. And I don't really care. For me, it's about crosswalks, trash collection, property taxes.
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Sagar Enjeti
You didn't vote on which foreign country they're going to visit first.
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Ryan Seacrest
I could care less. I really, you know, I mean, I live here, or I used to live here in Washington, D.C. the nation's capital. Allegedly. Supposedly somebody with a very powerful mayor, especially with home rule and all of that. I never once was like, hey, Mayor Bowser, what are your views on Ghana? Even though she's spending plenty of time on those foreign.
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Sagar Enjeti
You promised we'll go to Israel again.
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Ryan Seacrest
How many times I was like, can you do something about crime and trash collection is really annoying. And the homeless problem is really out of control, and there's too many drug addicts that are around the city. That's literally it. That's all I care about. So just the fact that everybody and all of us are, like, supposed to care so much. I guess in a certain sense, I understand that this whole talking point about, like, oh, New York is the largest Jewish population, but again, we're conflating this idea that the Jews of New York, how the state of Israel is directly. And their views on that topic comports to the policy of their daily life in wherever they. Brooklyn, wherever they happen to live. It's just preposterous.
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Sagar Enjeti
It Also erases the fact that Zoron actually has, has a lot of Jewish support. I mean, Brad Lander is one very high profile example of this coalition that they have formed together. And this is also something that's interesting about ranked choice voting is allows the possibility of these sort of cross endorsements. Michael Blake and Zorin have also cross endorsed. So that's one thing that creates interesting possibilities in ranked choice voting. Something else that Brad Lander said is he was like, listen, I don't think that your views on Israel should necessarily be central to New York City mayoral race. However, look, there is something powerful about this city. Having this alliance between, you know, prominent Jewish official and a prominent Muslim official. Like that is actually a really positive and a really beautiful thing. Which I thought again was like a good response to the question. But it is crazy the way that they've made this central and put it, you know, tried to persuade people that he hates Jews and it's gonna be bad for Jewish people. I mean, some of the deranged things that I've seen out there are truly, truly wild. But in reality, there is no official that has. Zorin actually gets second highest Jewish support in the entire race. So what is anti Semitic is to expect that every single Jewish voter is going to approach these questions in the same way and have the same views. What is anti Semitic is to force every Jewish person to ally with the state that is currently committing a genocide and act like that represents every Jew in the city of New York, York or around the world. So in any case, that has been very central in terms of where the polls are. There's been a mixed bag. But we did get one poll here going right into election day that we mentioned yesterday from Emerson. We can put this up on the screen. This is B2 that has Zoran winning. So it has him. This is after you do all the rank choice and this and then that and whatever. And at the end in the final round, it has Zoran at 52% and Cuomo at 48%. Let's put the demographic split up here on the screen because this is also very interesting. You have Zoran winning overall and surging, by the way. The way he has come from behind has been extraordinary. He wins significantly among white voters. Cuomo's strongest base of support is among black voters. Cuomo wins Hispanic voters, 60, 40. And Zoran romps among Asian voters, 7,921. Now this is interesting. Zoron does better with men than with women. Cuomo narrowly wins women. Zoron wins A little bit by a larger margin among men. Zoron does very well among college educated. Cuomo's bases among non college educated. The generational divide here is also extraordinary. You have people under the age of 50, Zoran wins 67 to 33, Cuomo wins 50 to 59. And you've got 60 plus also very much in the Cuomo camp. Actually, apparently Cuomo's strongest age demographic is actually 50 to 59, which is kind of interesting. So in any case, you've got this sort of like young, college educated, white and Asian bro dominated coalition for Zoro. And then for Cuomo, you have his base is sort of like older black voters. And as we've been looking at the early voting numbers so far, they do look to be favorite. Like, they looks to be much more energy behind Zoron. The areas of the city, in particular, you know, areas of Brooklyn where he is absolutely the strongest, have been showing up in droves. Young people have been showing up in a way that, that is highly unusual, if not unprecedented for early voting. And one other thing that people are pointing to, Sager, is the heat in the city today is unbelievable. Griffin was just texting us. Supposed to be like 114 in the Bronx, the Bronx and Staten island being the two boroughs that are strongest for Cuomo. So given that his base, Zoron, is almost certainly ahead in the early vote, which is pretty impressive. He has a massive number of volunteers. Cuomo really has to depend on strong election day turnout, and his base is more elderly. That's why the heat can potentially come into play. But listen, that's one poll. Most of the polls have shown Cuomo winning. Some of them have shown him winning by, you know, as much as 10 points. So this is really, it's anybody's game. It could truly go either way at this point.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, I mean, and you know, what's fascinating to me is for Cuomo is the fact that it's even this close is honestly humiliating. And actually, one of his former advisors did a very good job of summing it up. Let's put B3, please, up on the screen again. I reiterate, this is a guy who used to work for Andrew Cuomo. A grim and joyless campaign, as befits a battle for a prize never wanted one long viewed with disdain and contempt as a trifle that only lesser men would debase themselves to seek victory, if it comes at all, will be bandaged with tinny fanfare, strident gloat to muffle the voice at the center that won't stop whispering. I'm hollow.
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Sagar Enjeti
Brutal, man.
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Ryan Seacrest
I mean, that is savage. This is how glaciers are.
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Sagar Enjeti
Cuomo triggered a financial crisis for this dude.
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Ryan Seacrest
Hey, listen, honestly, it's poetic. That's well written. I could never come up with something like that just off the top of my head. But it does demonstrate the real problems that they have. I will say a couple of things for Zoron. First of all, obviously, he's run a decent campaign. I mean, the guy, he's run an excellent campaign.
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Sagar Enjeti
No denying that.
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Ryan Seacrest
He's got a lot of excitement, lot of lower propensity voters used social media, podcasting, et cetera, to really get his message out there. Got a lot of progressives to endorse him, so there's that. But second, it's equally a tale of the failure of the New York Democratic establishment, because the New York Democratic establishment correctly kicked Andrew Cuomo out of office over MeToo. But really, what they should have kicked him out for was his handling of COVID Yeah, it was a disaster. This guy has blood on his hands of elderly people because of his policies.
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Sagar Enjeti
And then lied about it.
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Ryan Seacrest
And then lied about it. Right. And all of this, this is confirmed, I mean, by his own government basically at the time, and yet they still allowed him to, like, traipse on in and to try and to seize it based on his own name recognition alone. So there's those two. It's really a Hillary dynamic, to be honest. Like a deeply terrible candidate who comes in here and is just like, I'm the king or the queen. I deserve this. It's my time because of who I am and my last name. And then you have upstart campaign. I also think Zordon has a of lot. A lot of political benefit or a lot of political wins at his back. Cuomo is out here supporting the Iran strike. Like Cuomo's out here running the whole anti Semite thing against Soron. Soron is the guy who's got the anti Trump energy really at his back at a very critical time when the Democratic base is very, very fired up. So, look, it's a classic insurgent versus just ossified establishment story. If he does win, and even if he does come close again, it's embarrassing. It's deeply embarrassing for Andrew Cuomo.
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Sagar Enjeti
Yeah. So to that point, about the different campaigns that they have run, Zoran concluded his campaign walking the length of the island of Manhattan, recording these videos with supporters. I read an account from a journalist who walked with him that entire length and was sort of expecting that in northern Manhattan you know, these are more. And I used to live in this area. There are more like working class areas. There's a lot of rent, stabilized apartments, very diverse. In particular, walking through areas that are majority Dominican Spanish language speakers, et cetera. And this reporter was like, you know, I kind of expected he wouldn't get as much hype there because that's not my impression of what his base was. And he was like people were flooding him every, mobbing him everywhere. Xiwei was a celebrity everywhere he went, throughout the entire city. And so let's go ahead and take a look at a little bit of the video and the vibe from that walk down the length of the island of Manhattan. This is B4, guys. Go ahead and play this.
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Trey Farrow
We have just begun our walk through the entirety of Manhattan. We're at Inwood Hill park at the tip top. We're outside because New Yorkers deserve a mayor that they can see, they can hear, they can even yell at elections on Tuesday.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah, Tuesday.
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Trey Farrow
Thank you, brother.
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Ryan Seacrest
Everybody content to my friend.
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Trey Farrow
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you, brother. You have climbed six floor walk ups and braved the pouring rain to canvas our city.
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Jenny Garth
Wait, we both have canvas for you.
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Ryan Seacrest
Can't wait to have you here.
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Trey Farrow
I am sorry, but the days of moral victories are over because this is a campaign that is going to win on June 24th. All right, where are we headed?
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Sagar Enjeti
Lot of bros in that video, Sagre. You know, the Democratic Party is serious about like, hey, how do we win back these young men? They might want to do something other than just do everything they can to try to destroy this candidate who clearly shows some promise and is like, like struck a nerve. And it really does tell you everything about like just how terrible the Democrats truly are and why they are so stuck and why they lose. I mean, this is a talented politician. Like, he is a talented guy. He from this come from behind campaign lightning in a bottle. Whether or not he wins vastly exceeded anyone's expectations. And their reaction to that is to do everything they possibly can to crush it. So in contrast to how Zoron is closing his campaign, Cuomo is closing his campaign. First of all, Griffin went out and was like, I really am having trouble even finding a video of Cuomo in his campaign closing here. And I think everyone would acknowledge Ross Barkin, who was a great New York journalist we've had on the show. Cuomo's run an absolutely abysmal, lazy, tired campaign. But his final move here was to go deep back to the Democratic well and enlist former President Bill Clinton to record an ad for him. I guess sex pests stick together. Let's go ahead and take a listen to B7.
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Bill Clinton
Hello, this is President Bill Clinton. I'm calling to urge you to vote for Andrew Cuomo for Mayor of New York City. Early voting is open now and election day is this Tuesday. I chose Andrew to be my Secretary of Housing and Urban Development because he knew how to get things done together. We worked for years delivering for working people, lowering homelessness, revitalizing neighborhoods, and bringing real investment to communities that had been left behind. As governor, he built a new LaGuardia, expanded public transit, raised the minimum wage, and passed marriage equality. Now New York needs real leadership on affordable housing, public safety, and genuine opportunity. And Andrew's ready to deliver. He's a fighter who knows how to make government work. And at a time when our basic rights are under assault, I know he'll stand up and protect the people of this city. So make your voice heard, vote early, or show up on Tuesday and please vote for Andrew Cuomo. Cuomo for Mayor of New York City.
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Sagar Enjeti
Inspiring stuff, Sagar.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yes, deeply. But who knows? I mean, look, it could still work, I guess. We also have this attack from Andrew Cuomo. B8. Guys, let's take a listen. Louisiana is in chaos now.
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Bubba Wallace
Trump's coming for New York.
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Ryan Seacrest
You think a 33 year old legislator who's passed three bills can stop him? Andrew Cuomo's managed a state and managed crises from COVID to Trump.
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Bubba Wallace
We need someone experienced to stop him.
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Ryan Seacrest
Paid for by Cuomo for NYC Inc. There's been an ocean of money coming in from Cuomo. I mean, somebody showed me a bar chart and it was insane. It's like 10 to 1 margin in terms of his spending. So if he does win, it'll be at a very, very, very low margin. And largely it will probably be a story of what it's like. Older black voters, right? Jewish voters as well, basically, who save him. It's probably really a tale of name recognition, if I had to guess, you know, on his side. So, I mean, look, that's the other thing here. I'm not going to underestimate the Democratic establishment. Even as weak and horrible, disgusting and all of that as they can be, they still have a couple of tricks and things up their sleeve. Jim Clyburn came out for Andrew Cuomo, which. What? Dude, you're from South Carolina. What do you even have an incentive here? It's like, well, we know the incentive.
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Sagar Enjeti
Yeah, I'm shocked, actually. Obama didn't decide to jump in and.
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Ryan Seacrest
Make sure that I'm surprised too, actually. I mean, Clinton kind of makes sense. I think he lives in New York and he spends a lot of time.
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Sagar Enjeti
Not in the Civic, but whatever.
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Ryan Seacrest
Yeah. But his headquarters, whatever, the Clinton Global Initiative, I think is in Harlem. Yeah. But you know, the other corollary to this is if Zoron does win, will just be the billionaire freakout is going to be amazing.
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Sagar Enjeti
It's going to be delicious. They're already pre freaking out.
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Ryan Seacrest
It's going to be great.
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Sagar Enjeti
It's preloaded, it's locked and loaded, ready to go.
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Ryan Seacrest
All because I actually think it would be very healthy for New York because New York's taxation system is completely stupid and it's like 10 people pay like 40% of the taxes. They basically designed it so that it's basically, it's heavily reliant on Wall street and ultra rich financiers. And a lot of the more working class middle class and even upper middle class, like, have less of a stake, like in how things are all run. This is bad because it actually gives way too much outsized power to these guys being like, I'm going to move to Palm Beach. And they're like, no, please don't. We can't pay our bill if you don't. So their whole financing structure actually does need to be totally redone. So it would be good, it would actually be a good thing if all of the super rich left New York City. It would be affordable again.
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Sagar Enjeti
They threatened to do this over Bill de Blasio too, and they didn't. But actually, I saw a chart. The number of millionaires went up in the city after de Blasio gets elected.
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Ryan Seacrest
But see, it's really not a millionaire question. It's more like a hundred millionaire question because that's again, the insanity of the New York system is how much is reliant on the people who make 2 or 3,300 million and. Or are billionaires? But yeah. Is Wall street going to go anywhere? No, I don't think so.
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Sagar Enjeti
Right.
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Ryan Seacrest
We'll see. It'll be fun. I personally, it'll be fun to watch no matter what.
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Sagar Enjeti
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