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7/6/26: Zohran July 4th Speech, AIPAC Millions In Michigan, FIFA Corruption
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Krystal Ball
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Krystal Ball
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Saagar Enjeti
Independence Day brought us dueling visions of America. One presented by the Mayor of New York, another presented by the President of the United States, both triggering lots of other Americans. Let's roll Mamdani to start the mayor of New York with a July 3rd address, surrounded by some recent Americans.
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Zoran Hamdani
That legacy of every generation of Americans insisting that the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness extends to them too, is no relic of the past. It carried millions of black Americans north during the Great Migration. It drew hundreds of thousands of Puerto Ricans to New York City after the Second World War. It invited countless others from the West Indies and South Asia and West Africa and across the world. And it is what brought my family to the city when I was seven years old. My family did not arrive by boat, although we saw the Statue of Liberty from the window of the plane, even from the air, we could make out the promise of America, the promise of the beautiful, patriotic work of rendering America, year after year, a little more faithful to its founding ideals. There is a term so often used to describe our nation and those who have shaped it. American exceptionalism. American exceptionalism, the conventional wisdom tells us, makes our freedom a little more free, is how we dug the Erie Canal and irrigated the west, is why children in faraway lands grow up dreaming of one day moving here. And yet, the irony is that the story of America has so often been written by those who were told by others with power and influence and wealth that they were anything but exceptional. For generation after generation, we have been told that when the world has sent its people to our shores, it has not sent its best. It sent Puritans and Sikhs and Quakers and Muslims and Jewish people who were banished for praying the wrong way, worshiping the wrong gods, angering the wrong people. It sent peasants and serfs from slums and shtetls who were treated as less because they hardly owned clothes, let alone land. It sent immigrants from whom power was something someone else had. We are told that America is exceptional because we are richer, stronger, more powerful than everyone else. The truth, my friends, is that America is exceptional because here, nothing is fixed into place. The frontier may be closed, we may have walked on the moon, but the work of fulfilling the values first enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, that work endures. And it belongs to us all. It belongs, too, to our newest Americans, those standing here with me today, all of whom were recently naturalized nearly a decade ago. I, too, felt what you feel, the joy of no longer being just a New Yorker, but an American too. You each hold a special power, the power to determine what America means.
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Saagar Enjeti
President Trump, meanwhile, for some reason, waited until after 11:00pm Basically, the weather was
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Krystal Ball
so bad here in D.C. it was raining. It was raining Humidity.
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Saagar Enjeti
He didn't have a roof somewhere.
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Krystal Ball
People have been out in the mall forever on the 4th of July. And so they delayed the fireworks. Although there still was lightning during the fireworks.
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Saagar Enjeti
It was a pretty cool.
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Krystal Ball
It was kind of cool, but it was like a very chaotic and dangerous situation.
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Saagar Enjeti
It was. And also this guy kills me. Fireworks are basically for children, right? I mean, adults think they're cool for like five minutes, but it's really for the family and for the kids. You started them at midnight. What's wrong with you? And one reason they started midnight is because Trump had to give a speech.
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Krystal Ball
Why 40 minute speech. Well, all of the musical acts canceled. And after that, Trump said, all right, I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna do it live.
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Saagar Enjeti
He said, we have the greatest performer with the biggest bra, so why do we need all these, you know, these
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Krystal Ball
has beens who didn't know they'd been booked was basically the story. And some of them. Yeah.
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Saagar Enjeti
Anyway, so Trump played the hits for us here. Let's roll some Trump.
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Donald Trump
He vanquished fascism. Americans stood against the evil of communism in the Cold War. And as I said last night at the beautiful Mount Rushmore, what a beautiful place. Where Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, and Theodore Roosevelt loomed over my shoulder as I spoke. America will never be a communist country.
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Saagar Enjeti
Won't happen.
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Donald Trump
Communism is a loser, and it always will be. The communist system is the opposite of the American system, and the communist system has never worked. Our warriors did not fight communism on battlefields across the world only to have that menace rear its ugly head right back here in America. We're not going to let it happen. We'd like to stop a threat like that immediately and before it begins. It's like a cancer. You got to cut it out. You got to cut it out fast.
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Saagar Enjeti
Now, hold on. Can we get a fact check? He says we fought communism on the battlefield. We have met communism on the battlefield in Vietnam, Korea. Yeah, those are the more overt conflicts. Maybe we want to say Angola or Central America. Where did we beat communism on the battlefield?
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Krystal Ball
Where did we beat it? The question is not where we met
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Saagar Enjeti
it, but where we met it. He says we beat him, right? Or did he just say we fought them? He didn't mention and yada, yada, yada.
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Zoran Hamdani
We.
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Krystal Ball
We fought them.
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Saagar Enjeti
We definitely fought them.
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Krystal Ball
He listen, I obviously.
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Saagar Enjeti
And we won the Cold War. You can say that, but that's not battlefield.
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Krystal Ball
Right, right, right, right.
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Saagar Enjeti
Or did we. Yeah, just China's still.
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Krystal Ball
This was.
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Saagar Enjeti
We forgot about China.
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Krystal Ball
Well, he just referenced the speech that he gave the day before at Mount Rushmore. He may have also mentioned the like Communist threat when he was doing the Teddy Roosevelt Library opening. But what was rolled out this weekend after Zoram Hamdani, after the Darieliza victory, the Milat Kiros victory, clearly they have poll tested communism instead of socialism. And that's the significance of bringing both of these speeches together in the same place, because clearly they just started testing this. And, and I honestly, to the extent that I don't think we talk quite enough, and audience members will hate me for saying this, but quite enough about some of the history of communism in the 20th century. The politics of this I'm not sure are going to resonate, actually. And I would question their poll testing of just turning people who are saying politically savvy things about, well, our democratic socialism is just Medicare for all and that. I don't know that turning them into communists or trying to transmogrify democratic socialism into communism in the American imagination actually is the best political maneuver, which was interesting to see.
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Saagar Enjeti
I don't see how it would work. Bannon doesn't seem to think so either.
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Krystal Ball
Right.
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Saagar Enjeti
So let's roll. Steve Bannon here.
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Steve Bannon
Wanna talk about the labor participation rate. That essentially means basically 39% or 39 or almost 40% of people eligible to work are out of the labor force. Why do you think the Marxist jihadists are getting traction? And Mandami is not 10ft high. Don't believe that at all. In fact, I think he's got. He potentially has feet of clay if you move and move smartly. But here's what you can't do. Republicans in the pundit class, because you got a ton of pundits. You can't take a copy of Milton Friedman and throw it at him or Atlas Shrugged. You're going to go back to the Paul Ryan and to all the playbook of Ted Cruz's entire crowd. This is how you got in this jam. You're not going to take Atlas Shrugged and throw it at him. You're not going to take Milton Friedman's what? Freedom and capitalism, Throw it at him. That's not going to work. Why is it not going to work? Because the elites in this country have sold the country out all this garbage and talk about free trade and free trade and free trade. And you had a mercantilist system run by real hardcore communists in China, of which the American business community and most of the Republican donors underwrote to take your jobs. This is why this entire situation is like a Greek tragedy. In that the great strength of our hero turns out to be his core weakness.
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Saagar Enjeti
Yeah, I mean, I think that's right. And the main thing I've seen thrown at Mamdani is this Paul Ryan line makers versus takers, which was lame when Paul Ryan was doing it. And they're like, mamdani's a taker. And it puts the speaker in the position of saying that they're the maker, that they're the ones that are, you know, we're the boss. We built the factory. We. We built this. You're just taking from us. You're just leeches. It's unpatriotic in the sense that it's. It's denigrating, you know, huge swaths of the. Of the country. And it doesn't really delineate where the takers begin. Like, are union workers takers? Because they're organizing together for bigger wages that you think if they weren't organizing for, that would just be money that the bosses, the owners of the factory would be able to take home. They certainly think that all public service workers are takers. And so, yeah, for Bannon, he's like, no, you need a different playbook. Like, you tried that, and here we are. So what do you think? What would you throw at them if you were advising the real Paul Ryan's?
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Krystal Ball
God forbid. The way that they don't see it is they think they can say, this is gonna be such a disaster, but people think the status quo is a disaster. And so if you are just saying what's going to happen is going to be a disaster, it doesn't work anymore. Because people feel like we are in a disaster. And a lot of people do. I'm not saying everybody does. There's some people who have very comfortable lives and probably still would be moved by the Paul Ryan, but it's not everyone, and it's not most people anymore. If you're looking at polling about how socialism fares with young people or public opinion of socialism with younger Americans particularly, it's really not that much of a political win to just be like, oh, Ryan Grim's a socialist. Like, oh, interesting. Tell me what you want to do to make my life easier. And so you have to proactively explain what you're going to do. That's not the status quo. You can't just be like, that guy's a commie. That guy's a socialist. I. You actually have to have a positive vision for what would transform the status quo, which is what the socialists are doing now. I thought the optics I actually thought the Mamdani speech itself was really, really, really interesting. Like, I pulled up the transcript here, and I'm looking at it, and if I just read this, I think it would be a fun experiment to just go out in the street and read this to some people and be like, who do you think gave this speech? I mean, listen this, he says, here at City hall, as I sit behind George Washington's desk alongside new Americans who came to this country, I cannot see all of America, but like so many who can see New York City. Then he goes on to tell this story of the founding of the country. In July of 1776. Our city simmered under the yoke of oppression. The British didn't take it well. War broke out. He's like, literally talking about George Washington leaving Brooklyn. It sounds like Glenn Beck in the Tea Party era, like, talking about colonial oppression. And I thought the optics of the speech. He's usually so much better optically. It was kind of like a dull aesthetic. And nobody. The new Americans that were behind him weren't smiling. I actually thought some of the criticisms of the aesthetics of it were on. And it's a rare aesthetic miss from Zoron. But the speech itself was potent. Like, there was something in that that tells you this is a totally new generation. The guy who was flipping off Columbus when he was wearing a glove during COVID famously In his, like, 2020 posts, is here saying, I'm sitting behind George Washington's desk and telling the history of us fighting off the yoke of British oppression and is, like, being reverential about our founding ideals, as he put it. That is a totally different generation of Democratic.
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Saagar Enjeti
Yeah. And I think a lot of people who were triggered by the speech didn't actually listen to it, agree completely because they're like, yeah, he's just trashing America. It's like, actually, he's not. So you picked up a good part. We can roll. Let's roll. C5. This is how he ended the speech. And you tell me if this sounds like somebody who's trashing the country.
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Zoran Hamdani
Ours is a nation working each day towards the perfection in which it was conceived. A nation striving each day to better itself. Therein lies the work of America. The striving, the bettering, the reaching towards perfection. What a privilege each of us has to live in a nation that every one of its inhabitants can shape. What a responsibility each of us possesses to prove ourselves worthy of all those who came before. What power each of us holds to bring America ever closer to the greatness so many have seen when they looked upon these shores. The greatness that for 250 years has been America. Thank you.
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Saagar Enjeti
I mean, how is that anti American? That's. It's very Frederick Douglass.
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Krystal Ball
Yeah. The clips from the right were saying, here's Zoram Hamdani taking the opportunity to criticize the United States on the Fourth of July. And that's how the RNC was framing it, and Republican groups were framing it. But interestingly, on the left and Zoran himself, the clips that were coming out were positive about America, which is kind of fascinating because there's. So I pulled up poll numbers. The Cato Institute just did an interesting poll. And as Democratic socialists are trying to go national, when you look at polling, overwhelming majorities, Cato, Cato writes, are grateful for the country. 86% and proud to be Americans. 79%. Most also believe America is a land of opportunity. 61%, and even more believe the American dream. 74% is available to them personally. Now, you get different poll results if you test, like, whether people think the American dream is dead or alive. But that's when you ask people if it's available to them personally. 76% say they're positive about the nation's founding. Zoram Hamdani was positive about the nation's founding, talking about the ideals. Not like wallowing in George Washington as a slave owner, which is a real part of the history, shouldn't be ignored. But when you're celebrating the 4th of July, it's kind of appropriate to focus on the ideals. And that's exactly what he did. In a country where the polling people do, if you want to take democratic socialism out of Brooklyn and the Commie corridor into the rest of the country, this is the messaging that is most much, much sharper, more clever to strike.
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Saagar Enjeti
And what he did, which I loved, which was that he said, the thing that is standing between us and the perfection of the American ideals is the billionaire class that wants to divide us, wants to keep us fighting so that we can't reach our common destiny together. So he connects the founding of the country with an idealistic vision and identifies the obstacle to achieving that vision accurately as this billionaire Epstein class. And so then the task at hand for the American people is clear. Get them out of the way and we can reach our destiny. Like, let's start taxing a little bit of their wealth and start building the thing that we all want together.
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Krystal Ball
Mm. Let's also let.
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Saagar Enjeti
And to Bannon's point, they're saying, go Ahead, let Paul Ryan and Ted Cruz argue against that.
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Krystal Ball
I'll say the Trump speech he gave, like everyone was just ready for fireworks at that point. It was so late, it was about to like bust out into rain. He gave like a 40 minute speech. The some of it where he brought out these veterans. I think one of them was 107 years old. Just incredible for them to then have the camera. We had the camera on them as they were watching the fireworks. That was so super fascinating and moving to watch. But it was chaotic on the National Mall. C4, let's play a little bit of this. You can see what it looked like on the mall as people were day four waiting for fireworks. Oh my gosh. This was like earlier in the evening. So they had evacuated the mall at one point in the afternoon or early evening. They canceled the whole parade. Imagine the money and the months like year plus that went into organizing the parade. Canceled it because it was too hot. And then people tried to get back in. And you can see that later in the evening as people are trying to get back into the mall for the fireworks. Trump actually opened his speech by talking about how there had been some like 300, 400,000 people evacuated and now there were almost, I think he said like 200,000 people that were there. He started literally by talking about the numbers to address it in case anybody was thinking, wow, that crowd looks small. He wanted to get it out of the way right away before even getting into the speech. We had many more people, but you know, the rain, all of that. But they didn't have a contingency plan for any of this. They haven't had contingency plans. Plans for the Great American State Fair where Julian actually from job site was reporting. I think on Saturday after Friday's heat, there were seven people on critical life support in the hospital from the fair. And that's east coast wide. I mean actually like nationwide, the heat has been just insane over the last couple of weeks. But the state fair was proceeding. They evacuated that. The Great American State Fair in the National Mall was evacuated on Friday for heat reasons. And they didn't have a contingency plan. Like there weren't what I heard from people who were out there, there weren't like misters that were keeping people cool.
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Saagar Enjeti
No. And they were banning water. You couldn't bring water in.
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Krystal Ball
You had to buy it inside. Right.
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Saagar Enjeti
What kind of country is this? It's a public state fair, a public event, a security thing.
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Krystal Ball
I.
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Saagar Enjeti
You're right for this.
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Krystal Ball
Well, I think you're right they should bring a death. They should have opened it up. Like, it actually all just should have been a roving thing coming in and out. Obviously, security challenges. But it's the National Mall.
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Saagar Enjeti
It's the National Mall. And they had no real way to evacuate the people from the mall once the lightning started. What they should have done is told them that Mike Pence was on the Capitol. He was about to count the electoral College.
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Krystal Ball
I don't think they were.
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Saagar Enjeti
That would have cleared them out immediately.
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Krystal Ball
I don't think there were enough FBI people in the crowd to get them over there.
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Saagar Enjeti
They were all prepping for their Patriot Front march the next day.
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Krystal Ball
There was a hilariously pathetic Patriot Front march on the Fourth of July.
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Saagar Enjeti
They wanted to join the parade.
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Krystal Ball
The parade.
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Saagar Enjeti
They were gonna, like, try to disrupt the parade.
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Krystal Ball
Right. Patriot Front, which almost certainly is. Listen, I don't actually think January 6th was a feds erection. That was a little joke. Having reported on it live on the ground as it was happening. It was like a lot of normal people who just got whipped into a frenzy. Some of the people who were whipping were probably feds, but not everybody was. And in this case, the Patriot Front guys, I mean, it looked like, ridiculous. It looked like a fed festival, a fedstival. It was crazy. They're all out there with their neck gaiters preparing with, like, their flags, chanting weird stuff.
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Saagar Enjeti
They had to go on the Metro
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Krystal Ball
because, yes, it was too hot. Yeah. Wild scenes on the Fourth of July. America's 250th birthday here in Washington, D.C. did not go exactly as the Trump administration had planned. Ryan, did you watch the fireworks?
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Saagar Enjeti
I did, I did. We stayed up. I was on a rooftop. But then about 20 minutes in, like, okay. Like 15, 20 minutes in, we're like, okay, I get it. Like, they did this kind of spectacular thing where for this entire row along, like, I think it was along the Potomac, they'd have like a dozen fireworks go up simultaneously and create this row. You're like, wow, that's like, cost millions of dollars, no doubt, but that looks really cool. And then they did it again and again and again.
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Krystal Ball
It was long.
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Saagar Enjeti
And again. I asked my friend, I texted my friend, I was like, how was the finale? Because we left before it. And he's like, it was just a giant cloud of smoke.
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Krystal Ball
That's exactly what it was. Yeah.
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Saagar Enjeti
Well, in Trump's defense, who knew that fireworks create a lot of smoke?
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Krystal Ball
It's hard to predict that.
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Saagar Enjeti
It's very hard to predict that. We couldn't have seen that coming Speaking of, though, the stupidest person on the planet. I didn't want to leave this segment without talking about former Jill Biden spokesperson Michael LaRosa, who I think had the.
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Krystal Ball
He's been on the show, by the way.
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Saagar Enjeti
Has he?
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Krystal Ball
Yeah, Crystal and I interviewed him.
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Saagar Enjeti
Amazing. He had the most amazing comment about Mamdani's speech. Two months shy of the 25th anniversary of 9 11, this is what New York City's mayor has to say about the Fourth of July. Mom, Donnie is unwell.
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Krystal Ball
Unwell.
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Saagar Enjeti
And you're like, wait a minute, hold on. First of all, it's two months and a week shy of 9 11. 9 11.
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Saagar Enjeti
So I want to know, what is the window around September 11th where a Muslim has to be conscious of what they're saying about New York City? Is it three months from June through, I guess, September, October, November, December, maybe into January. So June into January, basically. But then if you get into February, you're getting close to the six month biannual anniversary of 9 11. So you gotta be careful around that time too. It's like, what? How did you bring 911 into this? I don't absolutely know. I don't know.
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Krystal Ball
I don't know. Speaking of absolute morons, let's talk about the Michigan Senate race.
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Saagar Enjeti
There we go.
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Hoda Kotb
Hey, I'm Hoda Kotb, host of the podcast Joy 101 with Hoda Kotb. Okay, if you know me, you know this. I'm always searching for. For support and useful tools to help maximize joy. So this podcast lets us uncover all of that together. We're gonna have these meaningful conversations with the world's most fascinating people. Like when actress Olivia Munn shared how she overcame fierce health challenges that she never saw coming.
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Ryan Grim
I've gone through breast cancer and then helped my mother through breast cancer, and that was more difficult. There's a lot of people who understand postpartum depression. I was not prepared for postpartum anxiety.
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Hoda Kotb
Olympic champ Shawn Johnson revealed why she had no choice but to be a gymnast.
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Ryan Grim
There was something about gymnastics. That was intoxicating to me. It's given me a belief that we all have one of those treasures inside of us. We just have to find it.
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Hoda Kotb
Listen to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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My husband is currently on a vacation with his mistress and I'm confronting them.
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Co-host of OK Storytime
Tell me Sophia, how did she even catch them?
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Sophia (OK Storytime Host)
One Amazon shopping receipt. He accidentally sent her a photo of the kids Christmas gifts with a delivery to another woman at the bottom.
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Co-host of OK Storytime
He exposed himself. That's a rookie move.
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Sophia (OK Storytime Host)
Couples massages, monogrammed bathrobes and lingerie he Venmoed her for. So she spent four weeks gathering evidence and taped a 10 page letter inside his luggage.
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Co-host of OK Storytime
Before he flew out in his luggage,
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Sophia (OK Storytime Host)
she came to play and the second he landed, he blocked her. So she called the hotel room directly and got the mistress on the phone.
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Co-host of OK Storytime
Oh, she got the mistress live on the phone. That is a bold move. Let's see if it pays off.
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Sophia (OK Storytime Host)
Then it gets worse. He took the mistress on the Bahamas honeymoon trip he had planned with his wife and then the mistress tagged him on Facebook outing the affair to her entire family.
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Co-host of OK Storytime
That's like a whole public confession.
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Sophia (OK Storytime Host)
And spoiler. Two years later, karma hits him so hard he's calling his ex wife in tears saying about the mistress. What a mistake that was. To find out what happened, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Krystal Ball
Surprising news out of the Michigan Democratic Senate primary yesterday as again it's a Sunday and Mallory McMorrow suspended her campaign for the Michigan Senate Democratic nomination. Let's take a listen to her announcement video.
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Mallory McMorrow
Today I'm announcing that I am suspending
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Ryan Grim
my campaign for United States Senate.
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Mallory McMorrow
And I'm doing it with a deep, deep sense of gratitude for our thousands of volunteers, for everyone who donated what you could. Building a campaign with zero corporate PAC dollars.
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Krystal Ball
Okay, that was like the consultant focus group tested candidate in this race who I think a lot of consultant types on the left, Ryan, they thought with Mallory McMorrow who initially went viral for pushing back on quote unquote book bans, which actually it was a lot of Muslims in Michigan that were upset about. It was a lot of Christians, a lot of Muslims as well. But she went viral during the pandemic era because people were saying, here we have this normal Michigan mom making a kind of inspirational left argument against this. And look, she seems like a normal Soccer mom. And we might be able to take her all the way to the Senate. She actually lived in California right before moving to Michigan. I think maybe her husband husbands from Michigan or something like that. But anyway, vote for Gawker, right? Did she?
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Saagar Enjeti
I think so.
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Krystal Ball
Oh, my gosh. After all of that, Mallory McMurray suspended her Senate campaign. Let's take a look at this throwback conversation between Emma Vigland and Mallory McMorrow. On Medicare for All.
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Emma Vigeland
A public option is an improvement, of course, on the private marketplace and the Affordable Care act, but that would still involve premiums and deductibles. Why not go all the way to Medicare for all?
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Mallory McMorrow
Yeah, I hear you on the vision. I 100% do. And what I know after almost a decade as experience in a legislator is that you need to push as far as you possibly can while building the coalition of votes to actually get it across the line. And the support for a true single payer system isn't there yet.
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Emma Vigeland
I think that when we're talking about how to keep a coalition together, the 77% of Democrats that think Israel is committing genocide, the 90% of Democrats that do not, that are, have a negative view of Israel or don't want to send them more money, that would, I would imagine, be the position that would be as unifying as possible. Because it appears like this is kind of a consensus opinion now within the Democratic base.
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Mallory McMorrow
I mean, I hear that it's reflective in polls, and reading polls and asserting how campaigns should be run based off of polls is not a way that you win in a state like ours.
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Krystal Ball
Oh, I hear that. I hear the vision. She's so, so acting. You just get from her that she's artificial. I'm sorry, I'm really going in on Mallory McMurray. I can't stand her, but it's more that I can't stand the consent.
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Saagar Enjeti
What drives you crazy?
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Krystal Ball
Because it's the consultant class. I was gonna say, like, what drives Me crazier than McMorrow is that the consultant class looks at that and says, this is what will connect with normal people in Michigan. This is how we make our Democratic agenda look palatable to people in Michigan. She's inauthentically Michigan. It's just, I'm not from Michigan, from Wisconsin, so I don't give. Like, I'm not. I can't speak for Michigan, but it's just like, come on. Like, it just drives me crazy because it's like we're 10 plus years into the Trump phenomenon and that's what they're coming up with and thinking that it's gonna work.
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Saagar Enjeti
You know, ironically, it may have if not for Abdul El Sayed running to. Running to her left because Haley Stevens running in the establishment. Lane was such a. And is such a flawed candidate that she would have, I think, been a lot more appealing compared to Stevens, at
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Krystal Ball
least she sounds like she's from Michigan. And Abdul, I think, comes across as much more of, like, a Michigander, too. Like, he just seems to be much more fluent in Michigan than McMorrow.
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Saagar Enjeti
And McMorrow had the endorsement of Elizabeth Warren and kind of ran in that Elizabeth Warren lane. And it'll be very interesting to see what Warren does. She's much closer, obviously, to El Sayed's politics. So she goes out with AOC and Bernie and campaigns that could be decisive. There's been a lot of pressure on McMorrow to drop out and endorse Stevens, to try to stop El Sayed. From everything we gather, McMorrow is no fan of Haley Stevens. So if she does that, it will be as a favor to the party establishment, the party bosses. Not because she herself kind of is a huge fan of Haley Stevens. There was a Politico report that El Sayed immediately called McMurrau, thanked her for running because now everybody's going to be trying to court her and her supporters. But that Stevens didn't until Politico reached out.
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Krystal Ball
Yeah, as soon as Politico reached out, that's what happened. Let's Skip ahead to D5. This is from Prem Thacker, who posted. From Zateo, who posted. Haley Stevens makes no outreach to Mallory McMorris borders, while Abdul El Sayed explicitly welcomes them to his movement. Put out a press release right away. The Al Said campaign and said. Throughout this campaign, Senator McMorrow showed what it looks like to fight back against the politics that rigs the system against too many of us. While we have policy disagreements. I never questioned whether Senator McMorrow would fight for a better America for my daughters. And hers goes on to say, I welcome her supporters to our movement and to stand up against money in politics. Finally, a couple other things we wanted to mention here. The polling and the ad spending. This is according to Ad Impact Politics. Ad reservations as of 7-1-300. I'm sorry. 34.4 million reserved for Haley Stevens. 8.9 million reserved for Mallory McMorrow. 2.8 million reserved for Abdul El Sayed. And then finally, the Real Clear Politics average as of yesterday, we can pop up on the screen. This is for the Al Said campaign, I mean, they were at 35.0 in a three way race between Stevens who was at 29.7, and McMarrow who was only at 7.7. So where that 7.7 goes, that is obviously determinative because if it all goes to one or the other, if it goes to Stevens, you're basically in a tie. And if it goes to El Sayed, the race is totally different. And he's really, really comfortable lead. He's up 5.3 points in the RCP average right now. And recent polling is all from June, so it's not like it's sparse. Like that's a pretty good indication of where the voters are.
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Saagar Enjeti
Yes. And by the way, let's not leave without identifying the wild thing that happened in this race that you're probably not going to hear about from like CNN or the New York Times as they cover this development. But if you watched it in real time, you saw it happen and that was that In March, the McMorrow campaign decided, and the Stevens campaign as well, but McMorrow, really taking the lead on it, decided to make Hassan Piker a major part of the campaign because Abdul Al Said had said he was going to campaign with Piker, the leftist twitch streamer. And McMurro comes out and slams him and says, compared Hasan Piker to Nick Fuentes. That was what McMorrow did.
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Krystal Ball
In a state, by the way, where you're running in a primary, a Democratic primary, which means you have to have grassroots and young voters. It's a state with a bunch of young Muslims that are involved in the grassroots at the Democratic primary level.
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Saagar Enjeti
Yeah. And at the time that she did this, the race had been pretty stable for months. And that was Stevens with a slight lead over McMorrow and then El Sayed a couple of points behind. They were all in the 20s, but with Stevens in the lead. And as the weeks go by and the major focus of the race becomes this question of Hasan Piker, which then evolves into the question of where the different candidates stand on the question of arming Israel and whether or not they're willing to call out its genocide, it begins to become apparent to voters what's going on here. And that El Sayed is the progressive left lane candidate. Like it really cemented that idea in people's minds. And McMorrow, by comparing Hassan Piker to Fuentes, came off as cynical and dishonest because nobody who knows anything about the two of them thinks that there's any similarity between them other than they're both critical of Israel. Nick Fuentes is an outspoken white supremacist or white nationalist or whatever he says he is supremacist, whatever.
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Krystal Ball
I think it's probably.
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Saagar Enjeti
He's not Hasan biker. He's eight. Completely different political animal on the far right. And so it destroyed her campaign like that alone. Third Way went to the New York Times and they made this like, Third Way is this corporate centrist group saying that the tent needs to be drawn such that Hasan Piker is out of the tent. And they launched this campaign with the New York Times and CNN and all these others. Jake Tapper doing program after program about it, Fox News covering it every single day. And the lines were drawn. And it's McMorrow that was pushed out of it because people were pushed on the question. And when they weren't pushed on the
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Krystal Ball
question, well, and Haley Stevens is already in the race. You're not going to out Haley Stevens. Haley Stevens. That's impossible.
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Saagar Enjeti
And McMorrow had a strategy going in that she was going to try to keep. And it's kind of. It's messed up how you have to strategize around aipac. But her goal was not to win AIPAC support because she knew that wouldn't be possible because Stevens had beaten Andy Levin with millions of dollars in APAC support. She was clearly AIPAC's candidate in a previous race. So it was very unlikely that McMorrow was going to become AIPAC's candidate. But what she wanted to do is persuade AIPAC to stay out right of the race. Just let us fight this out and then we'll see you in the general election. To that end. And this is where Dropsight played a role in this election. To that end, one of her top supporters on a donor call said that McMorrow had submitted an excellent AIPAC paper, policy position paper. I suspect he misspoke and he meant dmfi, which is Democratic Majority for Israel, which is kind of an APEC offshoot either way. So McMoral produced this secret Israel policy paper in an attempt to keep aipact out that kept coming up throughout the race with people saying this also appears cynical. What's in that paper? Release the paper. What are you not telling us about your actual position? Daniel Biss, who won his race against Kat in and against an AIPAC candidate in Chicago, he also got hit because he met with aipac trying to keep them out, wasn't trying to win their support and wasn't bending to everything they wanted, but he met with them just to Try to, because he was meeting with everybody. He said after the race, if he had to do over again. And his advice to other candidates, do not ever meet with them because it's just politically too toxic even to take the meeting. And McMorrow, I think, found that out. If she had not done that secret policy paper and if her donor hadn't, because what good is it if you can't tell people about it? So she, the donor kind of told other donors about it on this off the record call, but then that got leaked, so that really screwed her. So it's an amazing own goal on the part of Third Way who thought they were gonna make Hasan Piker the center of this campaign. They succeeded and they blew themselves up.
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Krystal Ball
Totally embarrassing. And it's just misreading where the electorate is in just like a ridiculous way. It's not that hard anymore, honestly. I think of McMorrow as the type of candidate that 10 years ago actually might have been a slam dunk, or 20 years ago might have been a slam dunk. But even Haley Stevens, in this, like new media environment, she's out there just like riffing and saying the craziest shit ever. In a way that does feel a lot less stage managed than McMurray and Abdul Al said feels a lot less stage managed too. Like, he goes on Fox News and answers tough questions. He just comes across as a normal guy. He knows how to talk on podcasts and just have a, like, authentic, genuine conversation where you don't think he's reciting talking points. Same thing with Hailey Stevens. As like, crazy as Hayley Stevens is, she's out there like, riffing about how she dreams about Israel. Like, she's just talking. And McMorrow's the type of candidate who would never. She's like, so risk averse. She can't do either of those things. So it just was an impossible lane with all three of them in the race.
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Saagar Enjeti
And it's unfortunate because I think, like, there is something likable and like there's some inherent talent behind McMorrow. If she would have been unleashed, like, you know, if she would have just been able to be herself. But she was trying to calibrate this Goldilocks thing of I'm not the establishment candidate, but I'm also not the super far left. And it didn't allow her to. It made her just constantly be wise, measuring everything that she was saying.
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Krystal Ball
Exactly.
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Saagar Enjeti
And that that turned out to be too difficult once she kind of deliberately polarized the race around Israel, which was a huge mistake.
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Krystal Ball
Huge mistake. Well, we'll obviously continue to cover that race. The primary is, I believe, August 4th, Ryan, right?
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Saagar Enjeti
Yeah, that's right. And now like less than a month. Al said supporters are pretty confident at this point, but you know, there's millions and millions and millions of dollars coming in for Stevens. This race is not over like she could if the polls show that about half maybe of McMurro's remaining support could go to Stevens. So if El Sayed can pick up that other half, then he's in really good position. We'll see.
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Krystal Ball
All right, well, let's talk about the huge. This is the huge conflict roiling FIFA at the moment and has the United States very excited.
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Saagar Enjeti
Valerien Baligan will play for the United States tonight against Belgium after an intervention by President Donald Trump, the undisputed winner of the FIFA Peace Prize. He made a call to the head of FIFA and said, hey, look, just why don't you go ahead and look into this red card situation.
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Krystal Ball
He made some peace.
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Saagar Enjeti
He made peace. He's again, he's a peacemaker. So Donald Trump thanking FIFA for help for getting Flo back onto the field. We can put up E2 here. Thank you to FIFA for doing what was right and reversing a great injustice. President DONALD J. Trump so basically what happened is the US Striker landed his foot accidentally landed on somebody else's ankle and they gave him a red card for it, which, you know, things happen. And when you get a red card, you are then automatically suspended for the next game as well. FIFA has the authority under article something something something to suspend the suspension.
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Krystal Ball
Right.
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Saagar Enjeti
And according to all of the different reporting that we have, it was a heavily disputed call. Disputed call. And you know, heavily. It can, like you're going for the ball. It can happen. Yeah, things happen.
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Zoran Hamdani
Yeah.
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Krystal Ball
You know, your leg finds another man's leg.
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Saagar Enjeti
The legs are moving fast. Apparently one thing that the Trump administration protested was the use of super slow motion replay on the doling out of these red cards. Because it is true that it always looks worse, almost always looks worse in slow motion. It's like, oh look, he's aiming right for the ankle. And ooh, that looks like it really hurt.
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Krystal Ball
Yeah.
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Saagar Enjeti
And unlike almost every other tackle in soccer where the guy's faking being hurt, that one looked like it actually did hurt.
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Krystal Ball
Yeah.
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Saagar Enjeti
But also, you know, it's let the boys play. So this is Trump for once using his powers of corruption for the country.
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Krystal Ball
Well, you were pointing out earlier in the show that actually this is Americans arriving on the soccer scene. We have learned how to play soccer
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Saagar Enjeti
correctly, which is that you bribe the fever.
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Krystal Ball
Well, let's put the first element up on the screen. This is confirmation that this Ben Jacobs, not the political reporter Ben Jacobs. Yeah, a different Ben Jacobs confirmed the White House made a direct call to FIFA to ask Gianni Infantino to review Baligan's red card. FIFA approach for comment referred to the findings of its independent committee. FIFA sources insist White House influence could not affect the decision due to the powers contained in Article 27 and the Independent nature of the disciplinary panel. But obviously the White House did take a call. Trump has very carefully not taken credit. You notice in the truth social, he didn't say anything. He just thanked them for making the right decision. Now, we can also put this Clay Travis post up. This is the third element, according to Clay Travis. He's a conservative sports journalist. He says President Trump, Commerce Secretary Lutnick and White House task force head Andrew Giuliani, he is the son of Rudy Giuliani, put together a team of elite lawyers from outside the government to challenge the Baligan red card. Specifically, they challenged the use of slow motion, as Ryan mentioned, instant replay, to give the red card, which they argued violated FIFA rules. The president also conveyed to Gianni Infantino that the appeal had been filed and he believed the red card penalty was excessive. FIFA's independent committee reviewed the decision and agreed the penalty was incorrectly given, rescinding it under their Rule 27 authority. Now, Brent, I think you can actually make an argument that all makes sense, right? That it was a bad call and that the suspension is wrong.
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Saagar Enjeti
Of course we can make that case.
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Krystal Ball
Now, don't tell me that any other country would refuse to use this power in the World cup if any other country had this level of sway. They had the FIFA Peace Prize winner in the Oval Office in their version of the Oval Office. You're telling me they don't make this call? I don't buy it. Now, we should mention that Belgium is appealing. So the CNBC headline from yesterday, belgium set to appeal as FIFA reverses Belgium's World cup suspension after Trump reportedly intervenes. So Belgians are furious. No surprise there. BBC, when I checked their website this morning, they were leading with a headline that was integrity of game at stake over FIFA. Baligan decision at UEFA. So they're reporting that Baligun, who was sent off against the Bosnia Herzegovina, should have had a suspension for the last 16 tie against Belgium. But FIFA opted not to enforce that. UEFA said that this is. The European Soccer League said that. Or authorities said that intervening to effectively cancel suspension at a tournament quote crossed a red line.
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Saagar Enjeti
First of all, the idea that FIFA has any integrity to be challenged.
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Krystal Ball
Amazing.
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Saagar Enjeti
Get out of here.
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Krystal Ball
Stop it.
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Saagar Enjeti
You don't have any. So Emily has been doing more social media and so she did a direct to camera reaction to this ruling when it first came out. Let's put up E4.
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Krystal Ball
Corruption is not bad. Corruption is only bad if I'm not involved.
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But if I'm part of that corruption, I'll defend it.
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Saagar Enjeti
We are all that guy.
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Krystal Ball
How did you get that video of me?
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Saagar Enjeti
We are all Emily. I mean, and I think this is where Europeans are going to learn something about Americans. Like we, we like to win and we don't. Many of us do not like our president. We also don't like the stupid rules that this stupid game has. And we are, I think, repulsed by Belgium's anger at this. Like, it's. Okay, fine, Trump used his power illegally to get the Americans best player back in. But that's not your business. Your job is to go out on the field and beat our best team that we can put out on the field. You're supposed to want to beat our best players.
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Krystal Ball
That's a good point. That's a good point.
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Saagar Enjeti
Because it's us.
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Krystal Ball
How could you be so intimidated by us? We're the United States playing soccer. You're fine.
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Saagar Enjeti
You can beat our best players.
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Krystal Ball
Yes, yes, but you're right. Win with the best players. And not on this. What was obviously a very questionable red card call to begin with, so.
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Saagar Enjeti
But all these stupid red card calls are pretty questionable. The whole, the whole thing.
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Krystal Ball
Ryan's getting dangerously close to saying, play football like a man.
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Saagar Enjeti
The whole sport is just a little bit ridiculous by how much it hinges on these, on all of this stuff. And then the penalty kicks and the offside. It's just dumb. But whatever. This is the US playing the game of soccer, how it's always been played. And now we're actually getting involved in the corruption. And so we're going to defend this corruption. And so the game will be Tonight at what, 9 o'? Clock?
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Krystal Ball
Eight.
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Saagar Enjeti
Eight o'?
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Krystal Ball
Clock? Yeah.
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Saagar Enjeti
Against. Against Belgium. And also we had to beat two teams at once, Bosnia and Herzegovina, to get there.
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Krystal Ball
You're right.
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Saagar Enjeti
And you're gonna say that it's not fair. That's 22 players against 11.
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Krystal Ball
I'm sorry, but every other country, both Bosnia and Herzegovina would be using this power. If they had it at their disposal, everyone would be using this power. Trump, by the way, this morning on Truth Social put out a very random post where he said, Harry Kane of England is a great player. That's all he said.
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Saagar Enjeti
Amazing, actually, early this morning.
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Krystal Ball
So like 11:08pm last night, actually.
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Saagar Enjeti
Also, real quickly, do people know, and people who aren't following this might not know Baligan's story. Do you know how it intersects with
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Krystal Ball
the birthrights of the birthright?
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Saagar Enjeti
Yeah. For people who don't know it, his Nigerian family was like visiting the United States and they were on their way to London, but she was so pregnant that the airline wouldn't let her get on the plane. And so she had Flo here in the United States. And then once they were able to fly again, they went back. And he grew up in the UK and as a boy under 17, always played with the UK. But he has said that Americans, as they were getting more and more into soccer, would constantly be kind of in his mentions and comments saying, why don't you play for us? Why don't you play for us? Rather than the English team? And because he had birthright citizenship, he was able to do that. And also he's able to start because we're not as good as English. So it's not just that he loves being on the state, he loves being on the field. And now we have a president who's willing to fight for him and get him back on the field.
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Krystal Ball
Big fight.
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Zoran Hamdani
Fight.
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Saagar Enjeti
Meanwhile, wild. What went down in Mexico? We put up E5 here. So these are Mexican fans outside of the English players hotel having an all night party, setting off, setting off fireworks, playing music rather crassly. I guess we could all say trying to keep the English team awake didn't work. Oh, I mean, it might have worked. Maybe they were pretty tired. But they beat Mexico last night. And then also Norway knocked off Brazil yesterday. I don't know if you watched this game.
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Krystal Ball
I didn't watch it.
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Saagar Enjeti
But the most Viking looking guy ever saw, that Norwegian scored two goals. Just this absolute Norwegian specimen. You're like, that's comical. Like, that's what the Norwegian guy looks like. I was reading, he's like a foot taller than the Brazilians. And his first header is just so nasty.
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Krystal Ball
Yeah.
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Saagar Enjeti
And his second goal where he just blasts it into the corner.
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Krystal Ball
It's brutal. It's a brutal way to lose. No. I was reading an essay recently that said soccer actually has the highest upset rate of. Of Americans. Like, if you compare it with baseball and American football has the highest upset
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Saagar Enjeti
rate, which I think is the knock on it from Americans perspective, because it's like there's so much chance involved and you can be dominating, dominating, dominating, and then you just get one run going the other end and boom, Brazil. Yeah. So it's a tough one for Americans, but.
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Krystal Ball
But the argument is that makes it fun to watch. That's the argument, yeah.
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Saagar Enjeti
Also, we need more commercial breaks like, it. I think Americans feel uncomfortable if, like, there's live action for 10 minutes. And we haven't heard from, like, Buffalo Wild Wings telling us about the new specials. The new specials. And so for the first time ever, FIFA added these fake water breaks so
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Krystal Ball
that we could have our anthropomorphic so
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Saagar Enjeti
that Buffalo Wild Wings can. We're like, ah, okay, now we. Now we. Now we feel centered and grounded.
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Krystal Ball
Should I buy the Bud Light? And then, you know.
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Saagar Enjeti
Yeah. And then back to the.
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Krystal Ball
Someone tells us, yes. And producer Mack just adds, finally, before we go, that it is against FIFA's own rules to use slow motion on red cards.
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Saagar Enjeti
Aha.
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Krystal Ball
Just the final point. Tie this all together.
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Saagar Enjeti
But did they? Maybe they did.
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Krystal Ball
Well, yeah, that's true.
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Saagar Enjeti
Producer Mack. See, everyone in America, left to right, left, center and right, is gonna defend the corruption.
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Krystal Ball
We don't call him good soccer guy. We call him good politic guy.
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Saagar Enjeti
That's right.
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Krystal Ball
You check out that channel. All right, that's gonna do it for us. Edition of Breaking Points, I think. I think Sagar and Jetty is going to be back and in studio tomorrow with you for a Bro Show.
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Saagar Enjeti
I believe so.
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Krystal Ball
Is that correct? USA Bro show all week. Is that correct?
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Saagar Enjeti
If Sagar keeps showing up.
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Krystal Ball
Oh, well, Tuesday, Thursday, Bro Show.
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Saagar Enjeti
That's right.
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Krystal Ball
That's right. Okay, well, all right. Fingers crossed for a Bro show tomorrow. Fingers crossed. Hope everybody had a wonderful July 4th. If you haven't signed up for the newsletter, it's breakingpoints.com. just as a reminder, it's totally free. If you want a meatier version, you can get a premium subscription that also sends the entire show into your inbox. Early uncut version. That's breakingpoints.com. if you've been having any problems, make sure just check your spam folder first. But then if you still need help, helpit.com kit.com is the email address. Ryan's going to be back with you tomorrow. We will see you on the next edition of Breaking Points.
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