Sagar Enjeti (47:06)
Yeah, I think one of the most important things to establish is that day at the White House in late February, we were not invited there to meet meet with Pam Bondi. We were not invited there to be given those infamous white Epstein binders. We were actually invited as a really cool initiative on the part of the White House. They invited a bunch of new media personalities, conservative commentators, independent journalists there and told us, listen, we're not gonna reward the mainstream media anymore for their propagandizing. They're lying, they're smearing. We're going to start giving access to independent figures, which means we're gonna give you access today to all of the top administration officials. So we actually spent the day meeting with all the most of the cabinet secretaries and a lot of the most powerful people in the West Wing from the President, the vice president and all of his staff. And it was really cool. Unfortunately, it got hijacked, which from a personal perspective is very annoying and frustrating. Also a political issue for President Trump that hasn't quite been put to bed yet. But when we did meet with Pam Bondi, it was about a 15 minute meeting. The attorney general came in, she talked to us about some of the other initiatives that the DOJ is working on on. And then towards the end of the meeting, she hands us these binders. And of course, the COVID sheet of that binder says, the most transparent administration in history. It says, phase one of the Epstein files. Our first reaction, of course, was, my goodness, what is this? She very quickly clarified that the juicy stuff, the dirty stuff, wasn't in these binders. She said, when I got into office, I immediately requested the Epstein files. This is what I was given by the FBI. But I thought 100 pages or however many, many, however many pages that is, that can't be all of it. She's like. And I soon came to realize that after a whistleblower, she said, called me and told me the SDNY was hiding other documents, truckloads of documents. The real dirty stuff, she told us, the real story is that the FBI is stonewalling me. The FBI is lying to me. That's the story. And she offered that story to us to break. Now, that's where things. I don't even think that's where things start to go south. One of the things that I revealed this week that I hadn't talked about before is one of the first red flags for me is the attorney general told us during that meeting that she created the COVID sheet on that binder. She was bragging about it. She said, I made this. I put it in here. Look at this. Isn't this beautiful? The most transparent administration in history. And at the time, I'm like, what are you talking about? Especially given the fact that it didn't contain any of the bombshells that people had come to expect from the idea of the Epstein files. Of course we want this to be solved. We don't want someone who committed the crimes that he committed to get away with it. If there's government cover up, we need that to be exposed. It's why people have this visceral reaction to it. So that never quite sat right with me. There was, of course, then the botched embargo. The picture that you showed on the screen, I think, is also important to clarify. We were never smiling about the Epstein binders. I know that's what the. The accusation on X is. And I clarified this probably five minutes after it happened. We were rushed out of the West Wing. You know, when you go into the West Wing, you put your phone in a secure box. You can't have technology in the West Wing. So we had all of our stuff, our coats. It was the middle of winter, the files. We'd met with President Trump in the Oval Office. So we had some hats and some coins and some Pens. It was really a cool experience. It's the White House, for goodness sake. But the UK Prime Minister was set to join President Trump shortly, and our meeting ran long. He arrived early. So we were kind of rushed unceremoniously out the back door of the White House, and we unintentionally ran into a gaggle of mainstream media on the grass in the back. And you should have seen their faces, Sagar. They were so bitter that we were invited into the White House that we were given access to these cabinet secretaries. That's what we were smiling about. Yeah, we were taunting them. Of course they were bitter and they deserved to be bitter. They lied and they propagandized. So we were also giddy because we had just been in the Oval Office, we had just taken a collective vote that President Trump had asked us of which painting he should hang, George Washington or Ronald Reagan. I mean, you can't help but feel a high after an experience like that, notwithstanding the grisly crimes of the Epstein Binders. That was just in our arms with the rest of our stuff. Stuff. Now, I understand the optics of it, and again, it frustrates and annoys me because I think some people, even on the right, allowed the mainstream media to define this story. They allowed the mainstream media to say, look at these influencers smiling and dancing about these binders like, no, that's not what the story was. We were told we could post this stuff immediately. So we thought, okay, we need to set this record straight. It looks bad if people believe that we're smiling about the Epstein Binder. So. So we posted the pictures of them, say, hey, we got access to this and we're going to give it to you. We're not gatekeeping this. But then as soon as we posted that, we were told retroactively that there was an embargo on the real story, which is the SDNY cover up, and on the contents of the binders, because they didn't want questions during President Trump's press conference with the UK Prime Minister to be hijacked by questions about Epstein. Now, that, of course, totally screwed us over, because then it made it appear that we were engaging in gatekeeping and clickbait and lying. And I cannot even tell you, and I won't, because I want to keep this show family friendly. What kind of communications? I don't want to speak for other people, but what kind of communications I was having behind the scenes with the White House at that time, I told them in no uncertain terms, they better lift that embargo stat, because what this was doing, not just to me, Sager, I mean, I'm but a small cog in this story, but to their administration as a whole. You watch this unfold, it's like watching a train wreck. So obviously it took us a little time. I was going to respect, I chose to respect the White House's embargo, even though I thought it was a huge mistake. Beyond a mistake, a severe lapse in judgment. But by the time I posted the real story, people were already, and I understand why, angry about having seen those photos. So that's February, right? And I was very transparent, very honest about how everything unfolded immediately. I did a lot of media in the days, days following, even though some people told me to hunker down, I was like, absolutely not. Like the opposite of hunkering down is gonna happen here. I'm gonna tell the exact truth about what happened and I don't care who it reflects badly on because I'm just, I pursue the truth. And that's why my audience respects me. So fast forward to this weekend. I've given Attorney General Pam Bonney the benefit of the doubt. You wanna give people on your side the benefit of the doubt? I thought, you know what, let's see if it's true. Let's see if the SDNY actually does have other documents. That's very believable because we know on from sources within the intelligence community, especially the FBI, that there's been destruction of evidence. We know from the highest ranking officials in the FBI that they have tried to. That the deep state swamp creatures in the FBI have tried to hide evidence even from the director and the deputy director. So it's very believable that, that the SDNY would be hiding these documents from Pam Bondi. Especially if what we think, what the evidence leads us to believe is true about the Epstein story is true. So I give Pam Bondi the benefit of the doubt, even though she had said, I have the client list, it is on my desk. Well, then Sunday night happens and we get this memo, this unsigned, weird memo. I have no reason to think it's not, it's not authentic because the White House and the Department of Justice didn't deny it. I think, I think it's a real memo. And it suddenly states unequivocally a definitive pronouncement that there is no client list, there is no blackmail. Epstein killed himself and that's. You're not getting any other documents. Done deal. Don't ask any questions. Goodbye. And I'm like, what? So suddenly I'm In a position where I cannot square Pam Bondi's behavior from back in February, bragging about this cover sheet, making the COVID sheet, I asked her directly on that day, have you seen the SDNY documents? And she told me on that day in the White House, across the hall from the Oval Office, no, she had not seen those documents. So I'm left in a position thinking I can't square her comments and her behavior that day with this Department of Justice, this Department of Justice announcement. The only explanation that I can reasonably conclude is that she got out over her skis, and that's the most generous term that I can think of. Truthfully. It appears as though she's click thirsty, that she wanted to be a Fox News star, that she wanted to be a mega champion, and she made promises, made statements over promise and didn't deliver. And if I'm President Trump today, I am thinking very carefully about the amount of political capital that Pam Bondi has cost me, the fact that she has become a liability to the administration because this could all have been put to bed. You and I and other people who are, who feel strongly about learning the truth, discovering the truth about Epstein, we would have been like, okay, if the Department of Justice told us, listen, we got in here and the files are empty. We don't know what happened to this stuff. We don't know if it's destroyed or hidden. We don't have anything. We're just being honest with you. Sure, we would have been disappointed, but we would have been like, okay, that's believable. But to have this, these politicians, these government officials. Officials tell us, ignore the evidence before your eyes and instead believe us without evidence saga, there's not a politician in the world. No matter how strongly I support that, I would extend that level of faith to no.
