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8/14/2025: GOP Rep Claims UFO Evidence, Laura Loomer and Marjorie Taylor Greene Fight Over Post-Trump World
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Sagar Enjeti
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Krystal Ball
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Sagar Enjeti
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Dave DeCamp
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Sagar Enjeti
We need your help to build the future of independent news media. And we hope to see you@breakingpoints.com let's get to the next part, shall we? MAGA and what does it all mean? So, Laura Loomer out with an interesting new take, which, you know, she may be right. So let's put it up there on the screen. Here's what she had to say. Quote, I don't think the GOP is going to survive post Trump. There's too many conflicting personalities trying to jockey for the mantle to maga. None of them have what it takes to be Trump's successor. We are witnessing the end of a future post MAGA movement as we know it, because everyone, quote, inside the big tent the GOP forced on us realizes that they hate each other. There won't be a viable political movement post maga. You can see the writing on the wall. Nobody has what it takes. So, you know, I think she's right. I actually think she's 100% right, because Trump is the most beloved figure in the Republican Party since Ronald Reagan. Now, by the way, this does. And let's explain and define terms, does that mean that the Republicans will not win a future election? No, what she's saying is that gop, as it's currently constituted, is not going to survive post Trump. I think that's accurate. And the reason why is his personality is the binding glue of everything. It's what keeps anti Israel and pro Israel folks fanatically pro Trump who put their trust in the personality. It's what keeps. I don't even know, like, people who are pro Steve Bannon wanna raise taxes on the rich with people who, like Ron Johnson, who want to cut the corporate tax and don't wanna stop stock trade banning. It's like the singularity of his personality, Maha. Oh, my God, Yeah. Maha's gonna exist in the same party as Lindsey Graham, you know, in the. No, it's not happening. So it's his personality and his love with the base, which is what keeps it all together. It's genuine Occulta personality. And I actually think that's why Loomer is the most accurate in her explanation of Trumpism. Cause it's all about him. Now, I'm not some supporter or whatever of Laura Loomer. I thought what she did, Vinay Prasad, was disgusting. But my point is just that at a political level, I do think she's correct. It's also why, whoever comes next, you're just gonna have a hell of a time. Because at a personality Level, it's just like George H.W. bush. Did he successfully ride Reagan's coattails to the 92 or the 88 election? Sure, but he got blown out in 92. He didn't have the same personality, the same connection. Trump is Reagan esque in terms of his love with the base. And also, let's think about what it took for the GOP to have to come back in the year 2000. It was eight years in the doldrums.
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Unknown Speaker
The.
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Sagar Enjeti
A lot of it was defined by opposition to Clinton. You barely, I mean, you could define whether you won the election or not, you know, in 2000, but, you know, it came damn close for an electoral thing. And it took 9, 11 and Iraq for you to win the popular vote in 2000. It took a long time. And then post after that, it took 20 years to win the popular vote again. So I think we are in a similar kind of turning point where, you know, in the next administration, MTG is not gonna have to couch every single criticism in. But I love Trump. She's just gonna be like, here's what I think and screw the current president. A lot of people did that under Bush. Nobody ever had that level of support with a base.
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Dave DeCamp
I think the closest equivalent on the Democratic side, which has some lessons, is Obama. Right. And there was a lot of Democratic triumphalism, the coalition of the ascendant. You know, there was an assumption that this Obama coalition was something that was durable. Right. That it wasn't just specific to him and his particular like charm and charisma and his story and all of whatever that entailed for people. And that was just not true. The Obamacare. He was the only person who could put together the Obama coalition. He was very good at getting himself elected, not so good at getting other Democrats, especially in off years, elected, and certainly wasn't able to hand his mantle even one election forward. And Hillary Clinton is ultimately defeated by Donald Trump. And then to your point about did that mean the Democratic Party never won an election again? No, of course not. Joe Biden gets elected, but that has not stopped the overall sort of deterioration of the Democratic Party position and put it in a potential doom spiral. Now, I think Trump is sort of like in a sense like rescuing them from that. And there's a possibility that out of that you actually get someone who is more in the Zoran mold, who has the Charisman and has a different type of politics and has some distance from the sins of the past, et cetera. That's certainly a possibility at this point for Rebirth for the Democratic Party, though, nothing is remotely guaranteed. But I think it's very possible the Republicans are similarly overestimating how much that realignment that they celebrate so much is truly durable outside of the singular personality of Donald Trump. And you know, he, like, whether it's J.D. vance or Don Jr. Or whoever, or Marco Rubio, whoever it is that he tries to really anoint as his successor, you know, I think he will have about as much sway with the electorate in anointing a successor as Barack Obama ultimately did.
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Sagar Enjeti
You know, the Clinton example is a great one. So why did Al Gore fail in the 2000 election? Where by the way, even if you think he won or whatever, he only won by 500 votes in the state of Florida. It's a massive screw up compared to 96. The 96 to 2000 map is, is one of the biggest sea changes in politics that very few people go back and they don't look at it, they really ignore what happened. Well, the story within that was that Clinton, again, his support was all about Bubba, like him and his talks, folksy kind of way of connecting, but it wasn't built on any political message. And Gore tried to separate himself from Lewinsky, but also kind of embrace himself with his steady hand on the wheel. It almost worked. But the point actually for whoever comes next is if Trump is unpopular but very popular with the base, you cannot win your primary without wholly embracing him. This is a huge problem, cuz in 08, McCain did what he was like, yeah, Bush, he's like, fuck off. Like, don't ever campaign with me, sit in the White House, I want nothing to do with you. And that was, you know, to the extent he had any chance, it was by able to draw some parallel away from Bush and Bush, he didn't mind. Or maybe he did, but you know, he didn't do anything about it. You think Trump is gonna tolerate that, right? I mean, what are you gonna do? You're gonna have to kiss Trump's ass all day long if you wanna get yourself to win the primary. But then how do you win a general election? Something I've been thinking about is in 27, I cannot wait to ask JD to be like, hey man, you flamed Kamala for saying that you couldn't had no difference between herself and Joe Biden. So do you have any difference in how you would have handled this presidency under Trump? He can't answer that honestly. We all know it. Okay, but that's a real problem. If Trump is at 35% popularity, but 90% popularity with the GOP base. And you know, that's one where a Democrat, you're not held by those chains. You can just say whatever you want. There is no leader of the Democratic Party. You can win the damn primary. And so you've got all of these forces which are built on his own personality. And also, look, if as long as he's alive, he will remain the tweeter in chief, it doesn't matter. You think he's gonna give up the reins when he's not president? He will be the Mongol king in Mar? A Lago who summons whoever the Republican is down there once a month. Cause if they want something to be done, Trump has gotta support it. So it's not George W. Bush who sails, you know, does his paintings and goes to Rangers games like, you know, you think Trump will abide by the presidential norms of post presidency?
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Dave DeCamp
Not at all.
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Sagar Enjeti
He's gonna be tweeting up until the day he dies. So there's a lot of personality problems that are built into this that just never have existed in. I mean, maybe Theodore Roosevelt is the best example of a president who served two ish terms and then kind of tried to come back and he did nuke Taft in the election. So that could be the scenario that we see in the future. But I just see bad roads ahead, you know, for the GOP because of that personality base thing. And how are you going to run and establish yourself as something new unless you really are on a massive high water mark like the Reagan administration was in 89? I'm not so sure that's gonna happen. We're still three and a half years away. Nobody really knows.
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Dave DeCamp
Well, and you can also see it kind of coming apart in real time with all of this factional infighting that is broken out and Laura Loomer's at the center. I think you're absolutely right that she understands this is the reason why she comes to the White House and has the influence she does cause gets it. This is not about anything other than Donald Trump and the person of Donald Trump and loyalty to Donald Trump and whatever Donald Trump says like that is the end all, be all. She understands that and that's the game she plays and that's why she has been able to position herself so effectively in this administration. But you've got her fighting with mtg. We'll give you some of those details in a minute. You've got the influencer wars with Candace versus Fuentes and Fuentes versus Tucker, and Fuentes is really serving. I see so many parallels with the left after Bernie's defeat in 2020, where there's the sense of nihilism that takes hold, where you've got Jimmy Dore out there, Rihanna, you know, as the purest of the pure. And it's a very similar kind of a dynamic that you see unfolding of all this, like bitter acrimony, personality conflicts. And then you also have some like substantive. You have vast, actually substantive policy differences between a number of these camps as well. But MTG and Laura Loomer have been fighting a way that only the MAGA ladies can go at. It really is a particular brand of messiness at new levels. We can put this up on the screen, some of these quotes. So this is from a Daily Beast rundown of all of this. The headline is fuming Loomer goes nuclear on mtg. An all night attack. The far right provocateur has gone after her fellow MAGA Republican Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene with a level of vitriol that is striking even by Loomer standards, calling the lawmaker a rabid dog and a lying fake Christian whore. In part, she said, this is a woman who allowed her sexual impulses to tear her family apart. She wants to now tear our country apart to try to steal Trump's movement away from him. Don't let this homewrecker become a country homewrecker. We can put the next piece up on the screen a little bit from mtg. She says she has no about Loomer. She has no long time relationships because she psychotically turns on everyone. Laura Loomer is the most unstable person and worst liability to ever walk on the Oval Office. Fighting began, they say, after Loomer stunned some of her own supporters by ranting against the military's decision to celebrate a Medal of Honor recipient. There is a lot more here, by the way, in terms of the back and forth was quite lengthy and extensive, including Loomer accusing Greene of getting bent over backwards inside the gym by every man who isn't your husband. So that was the general tenor of this dispute. I believe this came after Loomer had said something about MTG's quote, unquote, roast beef in her pants. So these two have a long time acrimonious relationship saga. But like I said, to me, it's just emblematic of a movement that everybody's trying to jockey for position. They see the Trump era is coming to an end, they're trying to get in good with Trump, they're trying to shape what comes next. They hate each other and it's all kind of bubbling to the surface in a way that we haven't really seen in the past.
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Sagar Enjeti
Yeah, I mean I said this to you and look, I hope isn't taken too the wrong way, but as the parties switch up in terms of based on education levels, it's not a surprise to see some of this burst out into the open.
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Dave DeCamp
It's not exactly an elevated and classy dispute.
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Sagar Enjeti
It's look, I mean, you know, if you take a look, if you look at the ratings for the type of people who engage in reality television and those type of personalities, I mean, actually, let's think about it. One of the things that has happened in the last Trump realignment is that a lot of reality TV stars, bodybuilders, like people and all that, who are lesser educated but you know, also very popular have become Trump supporters. So it would make quite a bit of sense that that behavior, of course, and Trump cabinet members are exactly right with WWE and you know, ufc, everything. That's all Republican now. So. Well, if that's the case, then that behavior is going to replicate itself. It's funny cuz it's at a demographic level. There's a viral thing going around right now of one of the richest neighborhoods in Illinois. Was our it was a Republican district in 2012 and now D +35. And that's the story of America. Right? Like a 2012, I think it's called Winnetta. I don't know, I'm not from Illinois. But anyway, one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Illinois voted for Mitt Romney by overwhelming margins, voted for Kamala by 35 points. And it's like, well, you know, those are the type of people who find a lot of this stuff very distasteful. But the people who find it hilarious and interesting, drama, et cetera, that's reality tv. That's the demographic. A lot of those people are Republican now. So you're gonna see it replicated in this politics. And I think that's a very polite way of saying trashy.
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Krystal Ball
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Sagar Enjeti
Anapolina Luna on the Joe Rogan Experience. Very interesting episode. I actually recommend people go and listening to all of it. But Anna Paulina Luna, one of the congresswomen who has been at the spearhead of a lot of the UFO UAP inquiries, some of the whistleblowers, she made some interesting claims around that that I'm going to return to. But. But first and foremost, you have a member of the United States Congress at the forefront on the UFO issue making some absolutely extraordinary claims about things that she has seen. Now, claims are claims and we need to see evidence, but at the very least we can take it for what it is. Let's take a listen.
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Unknown Speaker
You said that you've seen evidence. Like what kind of evidence have you seen?
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G
I have seen photos. I have seen.
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Unknown Speaker
What have you seen photos of?
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G
So I was in a skiff and I can't discuss all that was in a skiff. But what I can tell you is based on the photos that I've seen, I'm very confident that there's things out there that have not been created by mankind.
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Unknown Speaker
It seems crazy that people have access to information that shows that there's something outside of us that is more intelligent, at least more capable than we are, and they hide it from everybody else.
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Sagar Enjeti
So let's just sit on that for a little bit, is that I've seen photos that I'm very confident that there are things that are out there that have not been created by mankind. This is allegedly like in a classified setting. And I have been pushing on this. It is so complicated because at the same time she did claim that some of the whistleblowers who we've spoken about here on this show, how they pretended to have the flu before they were supposed to show up for a briefing. Those people have now come out, at least one of them, Lou Elizondo, and he's spoken about how that's not true. So there even seems to be some intra fighting within this relating to our previous block of messiness or whatever. And I'm not still quite sure exactly what's going on there, but at the end of the day, what her, Tim Burchett and a few other members of Congress were pushing for were some of these briefings, photos and other things that are said to exist. The difficulty on this is we have been hearing this now for quite some time, for years and years. Right. And how many times have I said it here on the show? And it's becoming exhausting for people to say that people who have seen classified images of this or that have not yet been able to see actually something tangible. I will say on Luna's record, her attacks on the whistleblowers notwithstanding, on jfk, she's been solid. Don't take it from me, take it from Jefferson Morley who we've had here on the show, who I trust absolutely and totally on the JFK issue. And he said that she very seriously has been working with him and others in order to get these files out. They invited him to testify. He worked, I believe with her office and streams and stuff behind the scenes which allowed to get deep classification or release and broadly saw that inquiry as serious. So if we take that together with the UFO issue, I'll say there's some implicit trust, at least on the track record. But it's been a long time since that UFO hearing. We're gonna need to have another one. But by and large it's like just release it at this point. And is it. I mean maybe it's like Epstein, it just. It exists, it can't be released, it's hidden. JD has said that he's quote working or whatever.
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Dave DeCamp
Maybe Trump is in the issue, maybe Trump hasn't UFO files, Maybe Trump isn't in the UFO files.
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Sagar Enjeti
I mean, do you wanna know the best Presidential theory on UFOs is that Eisenhower had a summit with the aliens in 19. This is serious, I'm not kidding is that he had a summit with the aliens. I believe he was in over how we're gonna manage Earth and alien relations.
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Dave DeCamp
Okay.
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Sagar Enjeti
That's a very serious actually topic. I mean, look, I'd like to see some more evidence is what I see. But on the UFO issue, very specifically, as a believer in the phenomenon, I will say at least it is encouraging that she says that she said these in her class right here because at the very least it's a falsifiable claim. What I want. That's why I loved when Dave Grush went under oath. I'm like we need more oath, we need more stuff which is falsifiable or not. No more illusions. Like she makes very specific claims and specifically in this next clip she made claims which again we can prove are false or not if the documentation is released. Let's take a listen.
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Unknown Speaker
Do you think that it's possible that these are U.S. vehicles that are top secret?
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G
I definitely think that there's a level of advanced technology that the US government has and I think that that tech can be housed within the defense contract around realm. And of course some information is going to be Classified. But I can also tell you, and this might sound crazy, but based on our investig and stuff that we've seen, okay, there is definitely something that I think would rival what we know currently with physics and a tech that potentially is out there that we don't have the ability to reproduce. Because it would basically be like dropping a cell phone, cell phone right off back during the time of maybe cavemans. So like we just don't have the tech to develop it yet. There's definitely something that I can tell you with confidence that exists that we don't know how to explain currently.
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Unknown Speaker
So when you say that it operates outside our understanding of physics, what specifically are you saying? Like what. What happened to.
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G
To I guess break it down in simple terms is that I think that some of the tech that exists, that whatever these things have, these energy things. Have energy things.
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Jennifer Lopez
What do you mean?
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G
Well, they call them interdimensional beings. I think that they can actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have. It's really changing the way that we understand, you know, the origins and the spiritual reality that we know.
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Unknown Speaker
When you say interdimensional beings, that they know that these are interdimensional beings. How do they know that that.
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G
So based on testimony, would be based on witnesses that have come forward. But what I can tell you.
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Unknown Speaker
So the witnesses just were told that.
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G
They were interdimensional, that they've seen things. And what I can tell you without getting into classified conversations is that there have been incidences that I believe where very credible people have reported that there have been movement outside of time and space.
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Unknown Speaker
That's very vague.
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Sagar Enjeti
Yeah.
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Dave DeCamp
So unfortunately.
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G
Yeah, yeah. Look, have I seen a portal open? No. Have I seen a spaceship? Personally? No. Have I seen evidence of this? Yes. Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe were not made by mankind? Yes. Is there historical significance to this? Yes. Is there multiple events that go back to, I would argue, maybe even before the time of Christ that have documented this in text? Yes. So do I believe that the government has access to certain technology? Yes, to an extent. And I believe that certain contractors potentially have back engineered this tech. I think that that's what can explain the advancements that we're seeing.
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Sagar Enjeti
All right. I mean, what do you think, Crystal? I know it sounds crazy. At this point, we just got to see the answer. That's part of it.
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Dave DeCamp
My assumption, until I see any sort of evidence is that this is. And she's telling Rogan what she wants to hear, I think. But that has to be the default assumption if there's no evidence that I.
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Sagar Enjeti
Think that's totally fair.
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Dave DeCamp
You had like, like these are wild extraordinary claims that are being made. So you better bring something other than like, you know, you heard from a witness theoretically and there might be something, but you can't really say anything.
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Sagar Enjeti
I am getting sick of. I have seen like you know, former Under Secretary of Defense coming out and being like, I've seen that there's an extraordinary video, I've heard this now for probably five, six years, right, about this video that allegedly exists of a UFO passing in between two fighter aircraft and the two pilots absolutely freak out at the level of speed, you know, very similar to.
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Dave DeCamp
He's sick of it.
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Sagar Enjeti
Yeah and I think that's the default at this point because we just have yet we have heard so many promises, so much slow lowering from the bureaucracy from the Pentagon. We've seen so many claims like this. Luna by the way here is not testifying under oath, which Grusch to his credit actually did. And what's important also here about the contextualization of what she's saying is I've seen claims from people who said they've experienced it, that that fits actually with the original Grush testimony before Congress where he was talking. Cuz remember his goal was to compile all of the information in the reports and that's eventually what led to his whistleblower report. We at just this point have got to see like some release or some sort of evidence. And it's also disappointing I would say for her to you know, imply like that they were not credible but then also at this point taking some of their words seriously. And so at this point we really are, I think it's kind of make or break where it either has to come out or a lot of the trust is just going to be killed forever because we've seen so much of this like winking and nodding. It's Jack Epstein. It's the similar thing. It's the exact same thing. They come out, they say they're gonna do it and then they basically show a complete and a total cover up. The COVID up is enough for people to think that there is a there there. And of course I do believe that there is certainly a there there. But I am getting sick of a lot of these people at this point it seems like she's using it to try and get, you know, people while he goes are talking about it but release and do something like she did with JFK or I just don't want to hear about it anymore from you, I would be better off not hearing it than to, you know, get your hopes up and to get crushed, like over and over again.
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Dave DeCamp
Yeah. And you know, Trump made quite explicit.
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Sagar Enjeti
Yeah, he made a big deal about this. So did rfk. Remember when he was on our show and I asked him about it multiple times and he's claimed to have had a briefing about it, but after said anything.
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Dave DeCamp
Yeah, that's a great point, too. And you remember Trump specifically talking about the drones and how he's gonna reel everything when he gets in and it's like, okay. And then he comes out and he's just like, it's nothing to worry about. Like, I can tell you I know what it is and it's nothing you should worry about. Oh, okay. This is the transparency. Thanks. This is great. Thanks. So I guess that's just. I just sort of roll my eyes at this stuff until I get something more concrete. At this point.
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Sagar Enjeti
I think that's fair. I think it's a normal reaction now at this point. Like I said, I would hope that this is a precursor to actually something in the future like she' with jfk. But otherwise, ma', am, we're sick of hearing just claims. We actually want to see evidence and some disclosure. So with that, we have a great guest standing by, Dave DeCamp. Let's get to it.
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Krystal Ball
The reviews and ratings are in and Ice Cube's Big three is the surprise hit of the summer. And to cap off the season, IHOT presents the Big Three basketball playoffs. This Sunday at 3pm Eastern. The remaining four teams battle it out for the right to make the Big three championship in the most physical, fierce and competitive basketball league in the world. The action starts with the Big 3 Monster Energy Celebrity Game where your favorite stars compete in Big 33 on 3 basketball. Then the first of two semifinal games features Dwight Howard and the LA Riot taking on Montrez Harrell and Dr. J's first place Chicago Triplets. The finale will see popular Miami 305 with stars MVP Michael Beasley and Lance Will make youe Dan Stevenson take on Nancy Lieberman's Dallas power who finished the season winning five straight weeks to capture second place. Can Glenn Wright, Greg Monroe and Paul Millsap stop Miami's physical assault? Or will Miami and Beasley put an end to Dallas winning ways? Who will make it to the Big Three championship? This no holds barred action starts Sunday at 3pm Eastern, 12 Pacific only on CBS.
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Unknown Speaker
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There have been some troubling signs coming out from the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, about a potential return to war with Iran. So to break down where we are, we're very happy to be joined by Dave DeCamp. He is the news editor of the great website antiwar.com, and also host of Anti War News with Dave DeCamp. Welcome.
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Sagar Enjeti
Good to see you man.
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Unknown Speaker
Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
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Dave DeCamp
Of course. So let me go ahead and start by playing Netanyahu in his own words in English language. For some reason appeal to the People of Iran let's go ahead and take a listen to a bit of this.
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Today I'm going to make an unprecedented offer to Iran. It relates to water. The Iranian people are victims of a cruel and tyrannical regime that denies them vital water. Israel stands with the people of Iran and that is why I want to help save countless Iranian lives. Here's how. Iran's meteorological organization says that nearly 96% of Iran suffers from some levels of drought. Issa Kalantari, a former Iranian agriculture minister, said that 50 million Iranians could be forced out of their homes due to environmental damage. 50 million millions of Iranian children are suffering due to mismanagement, to incompetence and the theft of vital resources by the Iranian regime. Now Israel also has water challenges, challenges we've developed cutting edge technologies to address them. Israel recycles nearly 90% of its wastewater. That's far more than any other country on earth. We invented drip irrigation. Our technology targets individual plants with exactly the nutrients they need for each plant. Israel has the know how to prevent environmental catastrophe in Iran. I want to share this information with the people of Iran. Sadly, Iran bans Israelis from visiting, so we'll have to get creative. We will launch a Farsi website with detailed plans on how Iranians can recycle their wastewater. The Iranian regime shouts death to Israel. In response, Israel shouts life to the Iranian people. The people of Iran are good and decent. They shouldn't have to face such a cruel regime alone. We are with you, Dave.
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Dave DeCamp
He's just such a generous and caring man, I think is what we should really take away from that.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it is rich of him to kind of frame his, you know, himself as some kind of humanitarian that wants to bring water to a people when he's blockading and starving the people of Gaza. But, you know, we've seen him put out these videos before and really the last time he did it was during the, what we call now, I guess, the 12 day war that Israel launched on Iran. So this is concerning to see because we do appear to be on the trajectory toward another confrontation here, just because of what we see coming from Israel, the US and Iran. Essentially. Iran's position has been that they're willing to resume nuclear negotiations with the US if they can get some kind of assurances that they won't be attacked again, which I think is a very reasonable position considering the US and Israel actually use the COVID of the previous negotiations to launch the war. And I mean, the US really like, like the Trump administration really spent its diplomatic credibility on this. Israel actually codenamed the initial attack, the initial airstrikes that targeted Iranian leadership, the Red Wedding, referring to the Game of Thrones scene, which is, you know, a massacre based on betrayal. It's just. And Israel Katz, the Defense Minister, recently actually said that publicly that it was called at the Red Wedding and he's been threatening to kill Khamenei, the Iranian Supreme Leader. So Iran wants assurances. And you also have President Trump threatening to bomb Iran again if they resume enrichment. You have this stuff coming from Netanyahu and what he also said in that video is, you know, take to the streets, essentially rise up against your government. So these are not assurances that they're not going to be attacked again if they resume the negotiations with the U.S. we're seeing reports just breaking right before we started recording that Reuters is reporting that Khamenei has decided that they should resume the negotiations with the U.S. i'm skeptical if that that's true at this moment. Reuters sources on Iran aren't always correct, but it's just we have several dynamics here that don't look good. And another thing is the European countries, the U.K. france and Germany. A big difference between the negotiations that the Trump administration was engaged in with Iran from when Obama was engaged in similar negotiations, is that the Europeans were not on board this time. It seemed like almost like they wanted war. And after Israel launched the war, we even saw the German chancellor Mers say, Israel's doing our dirty work. And this is right before this, when they started being critical of what Israel is doing in Gaza. And that's a whole other aspect of this, you know, with the genocide in Gaza. I mean, the phase that we're in now, what they're preparing for, this takeover of Gaza City, City is going to be absolutely horrific. And what's a nice distraction from that is a new war with Iran. And, you know, as Trita Parsi wrote in Foreign Policy, a very excellent article, I really kind of summarized all this stuff. You know, Israel did not win the war with Iran. One point that he made was that one of Israel's goals was that they want Iran to be like Syria, to be like Lebanon, to be one of these countries that they could just bomb with impunity. But they didn't achieve that because right up until the last moment, Iran was hitting them with their missiles. And right now, Iran is rebuilding, you know, working to rebuild its air defenses, replenish its missiles. So Israel only want. Only wants that to go on for so long. The big question is, is Trump going to support another war with Iran? And based on what he's been saying when it comes to Israel, it seems likely to me that he would.
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Sagar Enjeti
Yeah, we actually have Trita Parsi's article here. We can put it up there on the screen about the next Israel Iran war is coming. I mean, Dave, can you just break what he talks about here about the strategic calculus of both countries now could mean an even more violent war, which he predicts, by the way, could start as early as August, as in where we're talking right now.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah. So one Reason why I think he put that August timeline is because again, France, the UK and Germany, they're threatening to reimpose what they call the snapback sanctions, which were UN Security Council sanctions lifted by the 2015 Iran deal. And the threat has always been to reimpose them. And, and some Iranian officials are saying, we don't know if this is kind of their official line, that if those sanctions are imposed, they're going to withdraw from the non proliferation treaty. And I think that would be the pretext for the US and Israel to launch another war if they did that. Or it would at least give Netanyahu a better argument with the Trump administration because Iran wants there to be consequences for these actions, for the bombing. After the bombing, they ended cooperation with the IAEA even though they are still in talks with them. But another point that he makes, as I said, you know, they want Iran to either be impotent, essentially that they could bomb them without any, any trouble, or they do want regime change. And you know, I think people get the wrong idea. You know, I don't think there's really any scenario where US Troops are going into Iran. They don't want to replace the, the regime, they just want to destroy it. They want to sink the country into chaos. And you know, you see that with Syria right now. Israel supported the regime change against Assad and this new government came in. I mean they are an Al Qaeda government. It's literally the guy who founded Al Qaeda in Syria who's part of the government. But even though he's been Al Shara, the new so called president has been very deferential toward Israel. We've seen Israel bomb them. So it's clear, you know, they don't want a unified Syria. They would prefer a shattered Iran to this relatively stable one that we see. And another thing about the calculations that Parsi talks about is that Iran has, sorry, Israel has always had really significant intelligence assets inside Iran. And apparently with the first wave of attacks, people on the ground and drones that were fired from inside Iran played a big role in hurting their air defenses. But we've seen this big crackdown in Iran. I think they've arrested like 20,000 people. So they're losing. I think they probably spent a lot of their intel assets. So there's a lot of reasons why Israel might want to hit them again soon. And they need the U.S. i mean, that's just the fact because the U.S. intercepted so many Iranian missiles and you know, besides just bombing the nuclear facility. So this is very much Israel wanting to Drag the US into another war.
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Dave DeCamp
Got it. Yeah. The other question I have is whether they, since they named it the Red Wedding, if they watched the rest of that series and saw how it turned out for that family, we'll put that aside. In any case, piggybacking off of what you were saying there, what indications do we have from Trump about how he would behave if Israel goes back to war with Iran? He seemed to want this, and this is what Dr. Parsi lays out in his piece. He seemed to want it to be sort of like a one and done. Do you think that he has the fortitude to resist Israel's endless entreaties for us to get directly engaged once again in a hot war with Iran?
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Unknown Speaker
Based on what I've seen from Trump, I mean, it doesn't seem like he wants a big war, but we've seen kind of the rhetoric is, oh, if they start restart their enrichment program again, we'll blow them away again, we'll hit them again. And I think the lesson he learned from this and the same lesson that he learned from Soleimani in his first administration when he assassinated the Iranian general. And Iran's response was very choreographed. They fired some missiles at a US Base in Iraq and essentially gave them notification. And this happened again. I mean, this was a big concern with this war. Is the US Bombing Iran, Are they going to hit American bases hard? Are there going to be American casualties? And they didn't this time. Again, it was choreographed and they gave the US Notice. So I think the lesson Trump learned, and I think kind of the people he's listening to on this are saying, you could hit Iran hard. They're not going to do anything. And I think they know that in Tehran that, that is, you know, that if this happens again, as Sagar mentioned before, I should get into that angle of what Parsi said, that it could be bloodier than last time. I think that in Iran, you know, the calculation is going to be different because it was pretty clear that they were trying to stop, you know, they were hitting Israel hard. But, you know, it was clear they were saying, you know, if you stop attacking us, we'll stop attacking you, and that'll be that. And then again, they got bombed by the US but they gave them notice before they hit the base in Qatar. But this time around, I think things will be different. Especially if they are just going to go for trying to kill the supreme Leader and things like that.
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Sagar Enjeti
Yeah, I mean, I think all of this is just so incredibly dangerous, Dave. And I mean, when you look at it in the future, what are some of the critical steps that we should look for? Like already this video from Netanyahu, it's not looking good, right? The fact that it's in English, it's a telegraph to the administration. You talked there about the August timeline. What are some other things our audience and others can look out for?
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Unknown Speaker
I think those snapback sanctions are really a big thing because it's not really clear what France, what they're asking for with the E3 countries that they call them, the signatories to the JCPOA are asking for. They say they got to resume negotiations and they want them to resume cooperation with the iaea. But again, they're very eager and doing this all very, very fast and giving them a deadline. So it just to me makes diplomacy seem unlikely. But I think we see those sanctions go into place. If we see Iran take that step to leave the non proliferation Treaty, those are signs, I think, that we're going toward war. And also, I mean, when it comes to Trump, I mean, the fact that he does appear to be allowing Israel, supporting Israel's escalations in Gaza, you know, and saying, oh, it's totally up to Israel, you know, they frame it like it's all, Israel is a sovereign country that makes its own decisions, but they're completely relying on US Military aid for their military operations. So, like if Israel's escalating in Gaza, the US Needs to support it. So if Trump is going to support all that, then, you know, it wouldn't surprise me if he supports another war with Iran. You know, we're just not seeing any kind of reining in of Netanyahu here. The strategy seems to be giving him like a bear hug and saying he's great and, you know, there's a witch hunt against him and it's clear he wants this war with Iran.
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Dave DeCamp
Yeah.
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Unknown Speaker
So, you know, another potential escalation I think is in Lebanon because, you know, I mentioned, I think I mentioned that this would serve a war with Iran, would serve as a good distraction from Gaza. We're also seeing indications for a big escalation in Lebanon. The US Is demanding that the Lebanese government disarm Hezbollah and they've agreed to do that. But how are they going to do that? I mean, that could be potential civil war. But they gave him a deadline and they're basically threatening, you know, Israel has been bombing Lebanon. They signed this so called ceasefire agreement last year, but is, you know, one side ceased fire, but the other didn't.
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Dave DeCamp
Right.
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Unknown Speaker
But they're Essentially threatening escalation in Lebanon. I think that's kind of another area to keep an eye on. And then when we talk about the war with Iran getting bloodier, one thing that we didn't see with this war was the Shia militias in Iraq. You know, there's always a concern of them targeting US Bases. I think if this war happens again, we will see that kind of the Iran kind of unleashing its capabilities and its allies in the region as well.
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Sagar Enjeti
Got it.
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Dave DeCamp
Dave, my last question for you is I wanted to get you to respond to something we actually covered earlier in the show. Control room C1, if you have it, if we could put that up on the screen. But I'm sure you saw Netanyahu acknowledging his connection to the vision of quote, unquote, Greater Israel, saying he's on a historic and spiritual mission for the Jewish people. And so, you know, connect the potential escalation with Iran with the actions in Lebanon, in Syria and you know, the west bank and Gaza. You know, what is the big picture here for Israel? What are the goals that they are trying to accomplish?
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's really something that he said that. And you know, I think it's clear. So in the region right now, I mean, the only country that can really inflict damage on Israel is Iran. You know, the Houthis in Yemen have been able to get some missiles through and they're certainly a problem for Israel, but it's not like they can do the damage like Iran can. So when he talks about Greater Israel, I mean, we've seen them invade southern Syria after the regime change and they're continuing to push further in there. And members of the government, including Bezel El Smotridge, talk openly about the idea of just taking over southern Lebanon. And of course we just saw Smotrich approve some major settlement expansion in the West Bank Bank. So all this expansion in the region, really the only game in town when it comes to being able to threaten Israel's expansion is Iran. And so I believe that's why, you know, they're the last piece that, that Netanyahu wants to knock off the board. So, you know, kind of goes along with the, the so called Greater Israel, everything kind of that's happening in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Syria and potentially beyond based on what Netanyahu said. Yeah.
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Sagar Enjeti
Well, Dave, we really appreciate your analysis, man, and hope you'll come back on the show. Thank you.
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Unknown Speaker
Yeah, thanks so much for having me.
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Sagar Enjeti
Absolutely. Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate you. Programming reminder, the Friday show will be on Saturday morning. We'll maybe have a special guest hopefully to break down the Trump Putin Summit for everybody. So look out for that in your inboxes. We'll see you then.
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