9/2/25: Trump Health Rumors Explode, Israel Blocks US Senators From Gaza, Leaked Gaza Riviera Plot

Summary

Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

Episode Title: 9/2/25: Trump Health Rumors Explode, Israel Blocks US Senators From Gaza, Leaked Gaza Riviera Plot
Date: September 2, 2025
Hosts: Krystal Ball & Sagar Enjeti

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Overview

This episode dives into three major stories that dominated the news cycle:

1. President Trump's Health Rumors: Swirling online speculation about Trump's health after days of public absence, old or misleading social media posts, and unusual secrecy by his team.
2. Israel Blocking US Senators from Gaza: The Israeli government blocked American senators from even flying over Gaza, raising huge transparency and sovereignty issues.
3. Leaked “Gaza Riviera” Plot: Post-war plans discussed openly by influential actors envisioning the forced relocation of Gazans and lavish development of the Strip—a “Trump Riviera”—by US-linked private interests.

The hosts critically examine media narratives, government conduct, and the real-world consequences of power politics, maintaining their signature skeptical and confrontational style.

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Segment 1: Trump Health Speculation

(Main discussion: 02:38–23:03)

Key Points

• Unusual Absence: Trump hadn’t appeared live for six days, with only a few candid photos showing him looking unwell. Old photos (e.g., one with Jon Gruden) were circulated as recent.
• Misinformation & Internet Theories: Frenzied online speculation, including rumors about bruises on his hands and attempts to “hide cankles.” Some even pondered whether he had died.
• Press Blackout on Golf Outings: Trump’s team denied press access to his golf game; only outdated photos were released, fueling suspicion.
• Transparency Issues: The White House denied anything was wrong, but the cover-up attempts (recycling old images, no live statements) only intensified rumors.
• Speculative Media: ChatGPT analysis supposedly revealed that recent Truth Social posts didn’t sound like Trump—adding to the “body double” or incapacitation speculation.

Notable Quotes

• "He looks like shit. Okay, can we go back to the first one again?... the mouth agape... the skin is sagging, the makeup is not properly applied. There's no hair visible."
  — Sagar Enjeti [03:07]

• "I think a lot of people are having too much fun on the Internet... If he was, of course they should be transparent about it... he's probably just as sick as he was whenever he had the bruises on his hands."
  — Krystal Ball [06:27]

• "You have to admit it's weird... to go this long without saying shit on a camera is very, very unusual."
  — Sagar Enjeti [09:19]

Memorable Moments

• Krystal points out the cyclical nature of health panics ("Hillary's earpiece back brace, I was there... Some of the most fun... online." [12:38])
• Sagar speculates on the “Department of War” renaming as Trump’s scheduled announcement, highlighting the irony of an anti-war stance (09:46–10:11).

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Segment 2: What If Trump Dies? The MAGA Succession Thought Experiment

(Key discussion: 15:51–22:16)

Key Points

• Succession Scenarios: The hosts discuss JD Vance as the likely inheritor of the presidency and the political challenges he’d face.
• Historical Parallels: Comparisons with TR, Truman, and LBJ on inheriting a presidency and building legitimacy.
• Magadynamics: A JD Vance presidency might struggle to marshal the same charisma or coalition energy as Trump, possibly even sapping left-wing activism.
• Cultural Shift: Speculates on the country’s readiness for the “death of Trump,” with less deference than in previous historic transfers due to polarization.

Notable Quotes

• "Imagine if Trump dies before Biden."
  — Sagar Enjeti [15:51]

• "You would have to step into the fold. What you really, the most important thing to do would be to do what LBJ did: you would credibly have to win not reelection, but the election, and then you can kind of step into it and make it of your own."
  — Krystal Ball [18:31]

• "I think Trump gets away with things that no one else would and could, including JD Vance. Like, I just don't think he has the aura to pull off the things."
  — Sagar Enjeti [19:15]

Memorable Moments

• The hosts openly muse on how left-leaning politics might “lose all their energy” if Trump were gone (21:32–22:16).

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Segment 3: Israel’s Block on US Senators & Ethnic Cleansing in Gaza

(Main segment: 25:04–36:03)

Key Points

• Denial of Access: Israeli authorities barred US Sens. Van Hollen and Merkley from even overflying Gaza, a significant diplomatic slight and transparency issue.
• Suppression of Documentation: Both the press and political figures are denied on-the-ground access, suggesting an intentional cover-up of the destruction.
• Scale of Devastation: Conservative death/injury estimates point to 10% of Gaza’s total population—unprecedented in modern times.
• US Enabling: The US is seen as complicit by not leveraging its support to demand a halt or accountability.

Notable Quotes

• "Denied the ability to go by the Israeli government, which is pretty shocking... The government itself has banned journalists and others from even participating in flocks that are dropping aid. What are you covering up exactly? And well, we all know, don't we?"
  — Krystal Ball [25:33]

• "It's insane. Like these are United States senators in a foreign country... and they're like, no, actually, because what is that? It's a tacit commission. We control the skies. It's our territory."
  — Sagar Enjeti [26:10]

• "Official count means 10% of the population of Gaza Strip has either been killed or injured. There is really no analogous situation in modern history."
  — Sagar Enjeti [28:14]

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Segment 4: The ‘Gaza Riviera’/Ethnic Cleansing Plot

(Primary coverage: 39:00–50:04)

Key Points

• Leaked PowerPoints: Publicly available documents layout a plan not just to “reconstruct” but to expel Gaza’s population, privatize redevelopment, and create a luxury enclave—with US and Gulf investment, private security, and supposed “voluntariness.”
• Disaster Capitalism: The scheme is described as “end stage capitalism,” invoking past and present parallels to colonial and imperial dispossession, wrapped in “corporate speak.”
• GHF Role: The Gaza Humanitarian Foundation is called out as a mercenary force, running “shaping operations” to herd and expel Gazans.
• Crypto Scam: Palestinians would be “offered a digital token” in exchange for their land rights—a new layer of dystopia.

Notable Quotes

• "This is a classic Jared Kushner style... he even said it over a year ago—‘Some of the best real estate in the world.’ And I do think that they are genuinely, like, enamored by... the Riviera of the Middle East."
  — Crystal Ball [39:00]

• "We're talking about committing a genocide and an ethnic cleansing so we can clean out a population so that Trump and Kushner and his buddies can make millions on a real estate deal... the mechanics... are utterly horrifying."
  — Sagar Enjeti [42:25]

• "There's something about the combination of this corporate speak, real estate development, PowerPoint, when...we know what is happening on the ground... you’re just clearing it aside so Trump can build a fucking beachside hotel. Like, it’s sick."
  — Krystal Ball [44:29]

Memorable Moments

• Comparison to dystopian fiction (e.g., The Man in the High Castle [42:00–42:25])
• Sagar describes “a crypto scam also at the heart of this” where dispossessed Palestinians would receive only tokens (47:32).

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Segment 5: Genocide Language and American Responsibility

(Points made throughout but especially from 47:32–50:04)

Key Points

• Consensus Among Scholars: 86% of leading genocide scholars have publicly labeled current operations as “a genocide.”
• Legal and Ethical Evasions: Sagar critiques the hollow invocation of “human rights” rhetoric when it never translates to action—especially by the US and allied democracies.
• Mass Murder and Reality: Both hosts agree that empirical thresholds for mass atrocity are met, regardless of linguistic or legal quibbles.

Notable Quotes

• "For those who embrace this term and think that it means something and think that it should apply in certain situations, there is a consensus now and it is no longer a question."
  — Sagar Enjeti [48:43]

• "If it was treated like a normal state, they would be killing nobody... nobody ever actually lives up to this human rights style rhetoric because it's bullshit."
  — Krystal Ball [49:20]

Memorable Moments

• Sagar closes the segment with: "It's undeniable at this point. 10% of the population again either murdered or injured and they're actively announcing their ethnic cleansing plans." [50:04]

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Additional Memorable and Notable Quotes

• "The fact that we're just run year after year by these aging, falling apart men who are decomposing before our eyes is a real sign of empire."
  — Sagar Enjeti [15:08]

• "On Israel, [Trump] seems exactly the same [as other Republicans]—if anything, you're the most fervent backer there of the Israel lobby."
  — Krystal Ball [34:32]

• "What we have basically seen is this private quasi force which includes and is funded by the United States, by the Israeli government... they're part and parcel of this plan to fully get rid of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and create this Trump Riviera Gaza situation."
  — Krystal Ball [41:47]

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Timestamps of Key Segments

| Time | Topic | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------| | 02:38 | Trump Health Rumors Coverage Begins | | 06:27 | Krystal Ball weighs in on internet speculation | | 09:19 | Sagar: "Haven't heard from him in days and days..." | | 15:51 | Speculating on Trump’s mortality & MAGA succession | | 25:04 | Israel Blocks US Senators from Gaza segment begins | | 28:14 | Discussion of Gaza’s casualty statistics | | 39:00 | The “Gaza Riviera” Plan/Luxury Development | | 44:29 | Corporate colonialism critique | | 47:32 | Genocide scholar consensus & crypto land scams | | 50:04 | Segment wrap/End of episode content |

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Tone and Language

• Candid: Hosts express visceral reactions (“He looks like shit.”)
• Skeptical & Conspiratorial: Especially around government secrecy, media narratives, opaque private interests.
• Irreverent & Sarcastic: Trump’s “Department of War” is called “honest”; the “crypto scam” is lampooned.
• Outraged & Moralistic: On ethnic cleansing; comparisons to dystopian fiction and historical calamities.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode lays bare how political spectacle, propaganda, and private greed drive the news at the highest levels—while ordinary people, from Americans watching “their” president to Gazans watching their homeland bulldozed, are left only with rumors or ruins. Sagar and Krystal’s skepticism pierces official stories, and their candid rapport brings clarity, black humor, and moral outrage in equal measure.

Transcript

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[Sagar Enjeti]

All right, guys, we've come to the most important story of the day. The questions swirling around President Trump's health. So we can go ahead and put these pictures up on the screen. President Trump has not spoken to in front of a camera in, I believe it's six days. At this point, we've only caught these glimpses of him going to and from his golf courses. Okay. I think we can all say in both of these photos he looks like shit. Okay, can we go back to the first one again? We can see his look on his face is very Brandon esque. It's the mouth agape. You can see, you know, the skin is sagging, the makeup is not properly applied. There's no hair visible. For some reason, people are like zooming in and enhancing this in all kinds of ways. He looks bad here. Okay. And this is basically the only glimpse that we've gotten of him. Then they said, okay, well, he's fine. He's going golfing. Okay, well, the press pool that was with him were kept from being able to see him on the golf course. They were made to wait on the tennis court. So they didn't actually get to see any of him golfing. There are no pictures of him golfing. This is all we've got. Okay. Then they posted photos of him, put C2 up on the screen. They posted these photos of him or he posted them on his True social account. Great. Playing golf with Jon Gruden. Really nice guy and a true character wearing, by the way, a very similar outfit to the one he wore when he was allegedly playing golf. This is an old photo. This was taken on August 23rd. And they seem to hold it out like this was a new photo. This is the part of soccer where this is the first time I was like, hmm, maybe there is something going on here. We can put C3 up on the screen. It's a Newsweek article about some of the theories and speculation here. They mentioned too, the week old photo and how that raised eyebrows amid health speculation. Of course, we already had those bruising on his hands that he's been trying to hide and trying to cover up. We all know about the cankles and the way that they've been, you know, the way they addressed that and the way he's been trying to hide those cankles as well. So we're already some swirling Speculation. Then he disappears. Then we get these photos where he looks like absolute shit. Then he goes to the golf course allegedly, and there are no photos of him playing. And they post this week old photo and claim that this is like, you know, trying to portray this like a new photo. And Sagr, there were other MAGA influencers like Charlie Kirk and the like who are close with the White House, who are posting other golf videos that were again, I think meant to portray that these were recent. And oh, here he is being virile and active and all of this. That also were all old. So it's really weird. And then last night there was a lot of fever pitch of speculation because they closed all of the roads around Walter Reed hospital here in D.C. and when I checked this morning, they were still closed. They turned. I saw one right. I didn't confirm this one. The roads closed. I looked up on Apple maps and that was true. They allegedly also turned off one of the like highway cameras that was nearby. Walter Reed and the Domino's Pizza tracker around the White House and the Pentagon and Walter Reed all was spiking. Okay. And we got this news that there was going to be. There's nothing on the president's schedule until 2pm when he was making some unspecified announcement. Now, we have since then received word that the announcement is going to be changing the Department of Defense to the Department of War. Mr. Anti War, embracing the Department of War here, whatever. So that's supposedly what's happening at 2pm but what do you think of all of these happenings?

[Crystal Ball]

I think a lot of people are having a lot of fun on the Internet. So let's go. And by the way, again, I think it's, it's fine to have fun, but let's talk about it. So the six days thing, that was a three and a. By the way, I don't care if Trump is sick or not. If he was, I'm sure, of course they should be transparent about it. He spoke for three and a half hours on camera. Reagan Reese of the Daily Caller interviewed him for over an hour and a half on Friday. He's always been old and frankly unseemly when not in a suit, by the way. That's the power of the suit. That's why you should always wear one. Also why you shouldn't wear a hat because it's not exactly flattering to the brow line. But yeah, I mean, just looking at all this stuff, I think he's probably just as sick as he was whenever he had the bruises on his hands. And his cankles. So is the White House being fully transparent about his health? Almost certainly not, especially with the hands. I definitely think some weird stuff is going on there. But yeah, I think a lot of people are having too much fun on the Internet. Like for example, I get how the framing of the golf course, like, oh my God, the Preston team on the golf course. Guys, I would win with Trump to the golf course. Unfortunately, I was stuck in a restaurant. I didn't see him once. I was literally in the motorcade. It's pretty much basic standard. When the president goes to the golf course on the weekend, they don't allow the press in. 90% of the time, the photos that get released are from the White House. I do agree that the week old photo stuff and all that looks quote, bad in the context of all of this. And I would be happy to eat my words if it comes out today or whatever that he is. I just don't see it. I don't see any of this stuff. For example. Okay, let's put the next one up here.

[Sagar Enjeti]

It's weird to have no Labor Day events though too.

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I don't know if that's true.

[Sagar Enjeti]

It is weird for a president who's supposed to be like Mr. Working Class, blah, blah, blah.

[Crystal Ball]

Crystal. He spends all of his time golfing and when he was president the first time, every Thursday flight to Mar a Lago, Sunday night back to Washington.

[Sagar Enjeti]

But here's the thing.

[Crystal Ball]

I just think a lot of this is just fever pitched, like brain damage probably.

[Sagar Enjeti]

But you have to admit it's weird. Okay. There was all this speculation, I'm gonna say Friday that he was actually dead. There was all this speculation online. We haven't seen Trump. Trump may be dead. There was video of somebody ro pulling something out of the White House. People were like, that was Trump. And he and his staff are super online. So what would like the logical thing to do would be he's out on the couch. Look at him taking the swing. Doesn't he look great? And even if you don't allow the press to go along and to see that you release a current photo that demonstrates that. So you don't have that. The photos that are of him just like shuffling to the, you know, to the transport. Looks like Brandon on the debate stage looks like total old man. Terrible.

[Crystal Ball]

Doesn't he always look like. This is my point.

[Sagar Enjeti]

No, he doesn't. No, he doesn't. And he doesn't talk to the press. Right? He's always talking to the press. This man cannot freaking shut up.

[Crystal Ball]

No, we haven't heard from him.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Days and days. That you have to admit to go this long without saying shit on a camera is very, very unusual.

[Crystal Ball]

He did an interview on Friday. Look, I hate that I sound like I'm defending Trump. I really am not. I mean, I think he probably just took Labor Day off like everybody else. But, I mean, look, he's gonna be on camera in a matter of hours. We'll all see it. Also, I disagree with you. The Department of War is a great name, and we have launched more wars of aggression under the Department of Defense than we did on the Department of War. So everybody's just.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Well, I actually think that it is. It's a more honest.

[Crystal Ball]

It's honest. Exactly. But the Department of Defense was a dystopian post World War II name.

[Sagar Enjeti]

You have to admit that is ironic for Mr. Anti War to now be like, you know. Yes.

[Crystal Ball]

What are you supposed to call the Department of Peace? I mean, the point. The Department of War is we wage war.

[Sagar Enjeti]

No, the point isn' what the name of the thing is. The point is what you're actually doing. And he has been extremely pro war, as we know.

[Crystal Ball]

Separate point.

[Sagar Enjeti]

It's not a separate point. It's a core point. Anyway, we can put this point.

[Crystal Ball]

The name is. No, I'm gonna stand for this. The name is good. All right. It's important that America be honest about what it actually is. The Department that wages war. Since the Department of Defense was established, we have done nothing but launch disastrous wars. The Department of War is a callback to a previous and more important era where we understood exactly what it is the Pentagon did.

[Sagar Enjeti]

I don't think that the name is going to change the terrible policy.

[Crystal Ball]

Maybe not. All right? But the post. I'm telling you, this stuff matters a lot more than people think. A lot of that was about dystopia. It was about the establishment of the empire, about foreign wars abroad. When we were the Department of War, we were a much less adventurous country, and we were one that understood the actual ramifications. Congress voted for it more. Do I think this is gonna change anything?

[Sagar Enjeti]

I totally doubt that the name change has much to do with that.

[Crystal Ball]

I think restoring honesty and restoring honesty and clarity in what exactly these places do is a lot more important than people think. Symbology does still matter, and the Department of War was an important part of that.

[Sagar Enjeti]

So let me put up this next piece, which is C4. So in addition to all of the things that we. The photos, the week old photo being passed off as current, the Fact, he looks like absolute crap, hasn't spoken to the press. His posts on Truth Social are weird. They don't sound like him at all in fact, and I think this is true. I've seen people saying this like Gavin Newsom doing his weird Trump impression. Sounds more like Trump than these posts. And so one individual ran his true social post through ChatGPT and asked for an analysis of whether or not this sounded like Trump. And the TLDR here is no, they don't sound like him at all. This one says, wow, Mayor Muriel Bowser of D.C. has become very popular because she worked with me and my great people in bringing crime down to virtually nothing in dc. Her statements and actions were positive instead of others like Pritzker, Westbourne, Newscomb and blah blah blah. Anyway, they say that the the signature President djt, our memo letter conventions he almost never uses in post. He says this thing just some simple facts for people to ponder. Ponder is not something that he is in his normal register more likely to say, think, remember, believe me, et cetera. So we don't have to go through all of these. But in any case, I think anyone who reads the post would be like this doesn't really sound like him. Now he does have staffers write social posts.

[Crystal Ball]

I've actually mentioned it.

[Sagar Enjeti]

But again, why are there no signs of life coming from this man at this point in time when there is.

[Crystal Ball]

A fevered speculation, he still looks like he's an 80 year old man. He's morbidly obese, he's probably either pre diabetic or diabetic. I think you're probably seeing exactly what is there and has been for years. For some reason they just convinced themselves this weekend that he was dead. Again, here's the thing, I support having fun on the Internet. Hillary's earpiece back brace, I was there. Her collapse on 9 11. I will never forget it. Some of the most fun that we ever had online. Truly some of the most fun. So speculate away, go for it. I'm just here to be a bit of a damper and be like, yeah, yeah guys, unfortunately it's very common to have pictures on the golf course. He's going to be on camera later today. By the end of this week, most of the people who indulge this are going to look pretty stupid. In general, you may be vindicated in the way that Brandon posters were. If he eventually does have some sort of Brandon style moment, it's definitely possible. You know, he can't rule it out. I mean he's what I think he's either 79 or 80. That's just empirically.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Yeah. I mean, he's old and he's eating McDonald's like every day for his entire life.

[Crystal Ball]

No, he no longer eats the bunny. Isn't that right? Or like something like he doesn't need to butt anymore or something like which I'm not sure I believe that.

[Sagar Enjeti]

All right, one. One more here for you. One more here for you. Put this up on the screen. This is weird. I don't know what's going on with this.

[Crystal Ball]

Oh, this is a fun one. This is just straight fun.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Okay, They're. They're throwing things out of the White House residence.

[Crystal Ball]

Yes.

[Sagar Enjeti]

For some reason, we don't know why.

[Crystal Ball]

At the top floor, we can't.

[Sagar Enjeti]

I don't know that this has anything to do with Trump's health, but it's a weird thing that happened. It's just so we just threw it in here.

[Crystal Ball]

It's simply just interesting, isn't it?

[Sagar Enjeti]

Yeah, yeah.

[Crystal Ball]

I mean, that area of the White.

[Sagar Enjeti]

House and this is like bulletproof glass too. It's like. I don't know. I don't know if any of this is true, to be clear, but I did see some analysis on Twitter about, like, it's not like a regular window. You can just open and throw things out. You have to remove it.

[Crystal Ball]

Cause I've seen some of those. But that area right beneath that is where the press gathers. I've actually seen some windows open there before. I know under Obama, somebody fired gunshots at the White House and they discovered bullets there like a little bit later on. It was like a huge scandal. Cause it was a security. I remember that failure. They weren't there when it happened. They discovered it later after they found some bullets and they're like, hey, what is this? Where did this come from anyway? Weird. It was definitely weird. I agree. So look, everybody continue to have fun on the Internet. But unfortunately, there were a lot too many people I take seriously in my life who were asking whether a lot of this was actually real. And of course, that's always why you need some discerning information. Again, at 2pm today, you will have Donald Trump on camera. And every single person can look at that.

[Sagar Enjeti]

The fact that we're just run year after year by these aging, falling apart men who are like, decomposing before our eyes is a real sign of empire. 100%, like, visual sign.

[Crystal Ball]

I totally agree with that. I think it's one of the worst things about the. No one's more of an anti Boomer than me in terms of their leadership. So I would personally like to see more people shout out to Jerry Nadler, who recently said, I'm not running for office. Biden's degradation showed me that. That people who stay too long overstay their welcome and cause serious distress in the system. And it's time for me to go. So you know what? That's the right thing to do. And I think a lot more politicians, Democrat and Republican, should do the honorable thing and should get out forever.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Imagine if Trump dies before Biden.

[Crystal Ball]

If Trump dies before Biden. That would be crazy. I mean, I don't know. Wow. I mean, how old is Biden? He's 81.

[Sagar Enjeti]

80.

[Crystal Ball]

I mean, doesn't he have cancer? He's got, like, stage four cancer. Yeah, it's pretty bad.

[Sagar Enjeti]

He's 82.

[Crystal Ball]

Yeah.

[Sagar Enjeti]

One last question. What do you think? Okay, so just indulge. Let's imagine that Trump does die. What do you think happens with maga?

[Crystal Ball]

Interesting question.

[Sagar Enjeti]

So, obviously JD Vance would become president in the next year.

[Crystal Ball]

It'd be like Theodore Roosevelt, several months into the office, gets three some years in the White House. I think that they would be behind him because he credibly. He would have to pull a Johnson. So what Johnson did in one of my favorite books, the Passage of Power by Robert Caro, how Johnson took control of the presidency after the assassination of Kennedy. Obviously he's different because assassination is very different than a natural death in office. But I'm trying to think.

[Sagar Enjeti]

You probably think that he was killed, though.

[Crystal Ball]

When's the last time president actually died in office? FDR. So. Yeah, I think it's FDR. So under FDR. Truman. Yeah. Okay. Similar comparison. I think he died 83 days into his fourth term. But what Truman and LBJ credibly had to do was they had to balance being president and being in charge and inheriting a bunch of other people's staff. What Truman in particular did is he took like over a year to kind of phase in, you know, his own people. And he was still dealing with World War II. But he also had to make a lot of big decisions, but he generally deferred to a lot of FDR advisors.

[Sagar Enjeti]

He was very insecure, too.

[Crystal Ball]

He was very. I mean, he should be right? I mean, literally didn't know any. He didn't even know about the Manhattan Project until he. Until FDR died. It's insane. And he was. Drop the bomb some month later or two months later after he becomes president. Under. It would probably be more akin to LBJ Cuz Kennedy had that whole legacy around him. So what you do is you're like, I will fulfill the legacy of Donald Trump. And then you kind of decide like what that legacy is. Right. Because jfk, you know, he spoke for civil rights. He didn't really do anything about it. LBJ actually gets it done. He spoke for a tax bill, it was going nowhere. LBJ actually got it done. You kind of get to decide and build upon that person's legacy. And at the end of the day, you are president. Right. So the alternative model would be Theodore Roosevelt, who becomes president after his president dies while he's in office and goes in a totally different direction because from the force of his personality turns a presidency and his term into something that he never would have imagined previously while he was the vice president. I don't think that can happen because the same cult around Trump kind of exists around LBJ and fdr. So you would have to step into the fold. And what you really, the most important thing to do would be to do what LBJ did is you would credibly have to win not reelection, but the election, and then you can kind of step into it and make it of your own. So I don't really know, but I do think, obviously, I mean, it's not just chosen successor. You are the vice president, you're the president. Legally, you're gonna inherit the team. I don't think you would fire anybody. I do think a lot of stuff would change, actually, in terms of the policy, in terms of the implementation. I think it'll be a lot higher IQ, personally. But I still think a lot of it would have to be wrapped in the shroud of MAGA and of Trump. And I do think Maga also the fight that would come would be when he would run for election. So in 2028, that would be especially depends, you know, on how the presidency goes and all of that. But, yeah, I don't know. It's an interesting thought experiment. Like, so you can go the Roosevelt way, the Truman way, or the LBJ way. Those are like the different models I have.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Yeah, I mean, I just. Look on a base level, I think Trump gets away with things that no one else would and could, including J.D. vance. Like, I just don't think he has the aura to pull off the things.

[Crystal Ball]

Trump underestimating how much people, you know, when someone dies, especially like if you provide a hagiography for that person, there's a lot of difference. They did not attack LBJ for years.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Although I, I don't. I Think it's a different era. It could be.

[Crystal Ball]

I don't know.

[Sagar Enjeti]

I mean, people like in the LBJ era, like, there's. We've never been in a time period where people are actively, like, cheering for the president to be dropping dead, which is what is happening online right now. Like, it is a different moment. You're gonna have people, well, half the, like 40% of the country, let's say, is going to be instantly happy that he's gone.

[Crystal Ball]

Maybe you'd be careful with yours.

[Sagar Enjeti]

That is a very different dynamic. So I don't think you get years of hagiography and deference and what. I don't think you get that.

[Crystal Ball]

Well, your question was about maga, not about the country.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Yeah, that's the other thing. But your analysis is predicated on the idea that there would be this Democrats and there would be this national hate geography of Trump after he goes. And I don't really think that'll be the case. I think the media will try, but I think much of the country will.

[Crystal Ball]

Be like, it's possible. I don't know. I mean, the other, you know, the other way we could look at it is Ford taking over Nixon, which kind of deflates a lot of the energy against him. So that's what I mean.

[Sagar Enjeti]

And we also have to think about, like, it's a very bad time for America. And JD Vance would be dealing with the economy's not doing well. Yeah, that's why I had mired in these, you know, in this horrible situation, you know, funding a genocide in Gaza. There's all sorts of structural reasons why he would feel like he can't really change course on that without like, like his coalition falling apart, very likely to be drawn back into war with Iran still mired in Ukraine, the world united against us. It's a really bad time to have to be president and be dealing with the fallout of the idiocy that Trump has foisted on this country and on the world, too. So, like I said, I think Trump gets away with things because he has so much. He's funny. He just has off the charts charisma. You can't deny it. I hate the man, but that's just facts. J.D. vance is not that guy. So I think he would struggle to keep that coalition together. And then of course, you already have like, the, you know, the groipers and the people that hate him because his wife is Indian. Whatever.

[Crystal Ball]

Again, I think things would change. I mean, if in a way, like, I think it might be the worst thing that ever happened. To the left. Cause it could suck a lot of the enthusiasm out of him. It could become, you know, things could go back to normal, honestly, relatively quickly. So you really have.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Look, I think there's a lot of energy around hating JD Vance and the Peter Thiel Palantir, Elon Musk, tech oligarchs as well.

[Crystal Ball]

That is purely online. The average, you know, Normie lib hates Trump for being uncouth and, you know, whatever. Like they don't give a shit. And to the extent that they care about J.D. they're like he's Trump's little errand boy or whatever. I mean, they don't know anything about Palantir. So I think that's the.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Palantir is emblematic of the oligarchy and like the billionaire class. And there's certainly Normie reaction to that.

[Crystal Ball]

We'll see. We'll see. Personally, I think that the left, Trump is the best thing for the left right now. I mean, his, you know, his like brashness and all that return to normalcy would nuke them because then they would. Yeah, I don't think. I think all the energy would completely be sucked out. It also. Look, a lot of it depends on J.D. a lot of it depends on the circumstances too, and the timing. Like early on right now, you're basically the full on president for three years. That's what happened to Roosevelt, that's what happened to Truman. Whereas it's like lbj, you're running in the. I think so November. Yeah. So we only had a year. So November 23, up until the election. He only had the last year of the presidency. That's a very different circumstance too. So the point is it's complicated. If you look broadly around, we'll see. I mean, it's a fun thought experiment, I guess. All right, let's get to senators.

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[Crystal Ball]

Very crazy story coming out of Jordan where two United States senators were denied the ability to to fly over Gaza despite being in the country of Jordan and would have been boarded on a Jordanian plane. So here's the video that they shot. Let's take a listen. Jeff Berkley and I are here at the King Abdullah II Air Force Base in Jordan. Jeff and I wanted to go into Gaza to see firsthand the destruction which we've seen in photographs and by eyewitness testimony. But we were denied that opportunity to go in on the ground. We are really hoping for the opportunity to fly over Gaza to be able to witness firsthand exactly the scale of destruction in Gaza. So far we've not been able to go. So far the senators have not been able to go. Denied the ability to go by the Israeli government, which is pretty shocking. Again, you know, considering the fact that the government itself has banned journalists and others from even participating in flocks that are dropping aid. And that is one where, you know, you just have to ask like, well, what are you covering up? Exactly. And well, we all know, don't we? Because there have been enough images of all of that that have been able to come out. It's also just a serious breach on US Sovereignty because it's insane. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it's crazy. Like these are United States senators in a foreign country. The Jordanian government has no problem with them going. And they're like, no, actually, because what is that? It's a tacit commission. We control the skies. It's our territory. Well, it's our country. Which just gets all the questions around this of like, well, what exactly is going on here? We're not even allowed to fly in there. Oh, Hamas has rockets now that can shoot us. Come on. Like, what are we doing?

[Sagar Enjeti]

Yeah, and we know the way they blocked journalists from going on board these aid drop flights because they didn't want pictures coming out and they don't want Merkley and they don't want Van Hollen to actually see that Gaza has been turned into absolute and complete rubble. They also went to the Rafah gate on the Egypt Gaza border. And he says in this post, he says on the other side was Gaza's thriving city of rafah, home to 260. Today we saw it reduced to rubble. The Netanyahu government has gone beyond targeting Hamas to waging a war of destruction against all Palestinians. It must end. And we all remember when everybody's posting all eyes on Rafah, right? We all remember that. We all remember the Biden administration saying going into Rafah is a red line because remember what the Israelis did? They pushed the entire population of Gaza further and further and further south, Rafah being the southernmost city and just obliterating in their path, squeezed everybody down into the southern part of the Gaza Strip. And then they went in and annihilated Rafah as well. And Rafah has been reduced to rubble as we speak. We can put D3 up on the screen. You know, there is a just absolute onslaught happening in and around Gaza City. This is from yesterday, according to Middle East Eye. And this was information from Gaza's health ministry. They said that Israel had killed at least 98 Palestinians in Gaza in the last 24 hours. During the same period, 404 others were wounded. A number of these Palestinians who were murdered by the IDF were out seeking aid. A number of other ones, I believe eight of them died because of starvation. So it is absolutely as brutal and as dire as it has ever been in this war. I saw numbers that even if you use which most, I mean, all experts say at this point, like the official numbers are dramatic undercount. If you can consider people who are dying of malnutrition and disease and lack of sanitation and, you know, who are buried under the rubble and unaccounted for, et cetera. It's a dramatic undercount. But even if we take that official count, that means that 10% of the population of the Gaza Strip has ever either been killed or injured. There is really no analogous situation in modern history. 10% of an entire population that has either been killed or injured. And we're still here backing the whole thing and putting up plans for official ethnic cleansing, which we'll get to in the next segment.

[Crystal Ball]

Yeah, it's really sickening. Let's go ahead and put the next part up here on the screen, please, just so we can show at least some of it. I mean, it really is sickening, actually. Some of the video that has been coming out at the very least of like what is even available, you know, warning, obviously, if you're watching this and some sensitive stuff, but this is the least amount, from what we've been able to see that remains there. And it demonstrates why a lot of the campaign against journalists and against these senators is happening is to basically keep it so that only the on the ground images are the ones that are able to be disseminated and there's no journalists, there's nobody even really verifying or plotting or telling people what exactly is going on. So, yeah, I think it is actually very interesting from the point of how much longer this can continue in terms of public and US support. Like that's the big question is at a certain point even the pro Israel defenders, and we'll talk about this soon, the people in Israel, the idf, who can we all agree is not like some bleeding heart liberals and all them are like, like, guys, this is doing nothing. Like it is basically killing for the sake of it and expulsion in conjunction with this like crazy plan of the most far right ministers of the Israeli government. It's a question both for them politically at a constituent level, because it's true, basically Israel either de facto supports this or supports this all out. But it's also a question of America here, where even with the limited amount of images, the amount of control and the lack of support, that they're just going for it in a way that strategically doesn't make a lot of sense if you plan for a continuation, or maybe it does because they're like, this is it, we're just going to get it done now. It's the only time that we'll ever have the opportunity. So I don't really know how else to square it. Because that seems to be what they think.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Well, we have the plan we'll talk about in the next block of what they intend to do. They're using ghf, basically a shaping operation to push everybody again to the south and be able to push people to self deport. We'll say just brazen plans for ethnic cleansing and then create some development haven for Trump and his cronies to cash in on is utterly disgusting end stage capitalism kind of stuff. Let's put D5 up on the screen because it's also unbelievable how rogue Israel is. They assassinated Yemen's prime minister and their entire cabinet. And this is from CodePink. They say Western impunity means Israel can kill entire government cabinets of sovereign countries and commit genocide without the world batting an eyelid. It goes without saying. Imagine that the Houthis assassinated Netanyahu and Smotrich and Ben gvir. What do you think the reaction would be? And yet they operate in such a rogue and lawless manner with zealous, absolute impunity and zero accountability with us. When they're indicted for war crimes, sanctioning the ICC for daring to sanction them, to, you know, indict them for war crimes, just absolute impunity. It is insane what this country is doing. The number of countries they bomb, the number of war crimes they've committed. Obviously, what's happening in Gaza, what they're doing in the west bank, what they're announcing, and they're once again saying, we're going to cut off aid to northern Gaza because we believe anyone who's left there, we're just gonna assume that they're a terrorist, so we're gonna try to starve them to death. This is all announced and out in the open, and yet our country is just going along with it. And ultimately we, no other nations around the world with any power to do anything, are really doing anything. Listen, the recognition of Palestine, okay, fine. But that is not going to change the situation right now. And Israel truly is, is going for it. In that interview that you mentioned that Trump did give to a print reporter on Friday, he was asked about Israel and can put D4 up on the screen to show you part of his answer. So he was asked this question about like, hey, do you see that some young Republicans even now are moving away from Israel? And what do you make of that? Are you aware of it? And he says, yeah, I'm aware of it. So Israel is amazing because, you know, I have good support from Israel. But when, if you go back 20 years, I mean, I will tell you, Israel had the strongest lobby in Congress of anything or body or of any company or corporation or state that I've ever seen. Israel was the strongest. Today. It doesn't have that strong lobby. It's amazing. I think we have more from this interview we can go to. He says there was a time where you couldn't speak bad. If you wanted to be a politician, you couldn't speak badly. But today you have AOC plus three and you have all these lunatics and they've really changed it. So they're gonna have to get that war over with. But it is hurting Israel. There's no question about it. They may be winning the war, but they're not winning the world of public relations. And it is hurting them. So some interesting comments, similar to things that he's actually said in the past about the Israel lobby.

[Crystal Ball]

In my yes and no. He's like, said that stuff before on Israel. He just reverts to this, like, you know, template answer. What about October 7th?

[Sagar Enjeti]

He did or whatever. It's just, he said no one has done more for Israel than I have. True. I guess.

[Crystal Ball]

Definitely true. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, there is mis. The people around Trump, many others in the Republican movement are mystified at his deference to Israel. It does not exist with any other state. Nobody really knows why. We can all speculate. We certainly have here on the show a variety of ideology, money, who knows, you know what else? Blackmail, some people are saying, some people are saying, Many people are saying that it could be. But regardless, he has an exception to that. That does not exist for literally anyone else. And it is exceptional because it stands so stark to how he treats every single other country in the world. And what's actually remarkable is that Trump's thing about being independent was he always different than other Republicans, even if he would do many of the same things. But on Israel, he seems exactly the same. He's just like Mike Johnson. He's just like all the others. He's just like all the, you know, like everyone else. And it's the one area where I think people can credibly be like, dude, you are, you know, like you're just not different in any way. If anything, you're the most, you know, fervent, like, backer there of the Israel lobby. So I think that is probably the area which has been most disillusioning, you know, for a lot of the so called, like podcast young. Right. And all these other people because they don't like Israel, you know, and they're not subjected to the same level of propaganda that a lot of these other people are. Yeah, I don't know. I just, I'll never understand it. I truly won't.

[Sagar Enjeti]

I mean, I think part of what he gives up there, I mean, first of all, I think the blackmail thing as like a real life possibility. And even if he doesn't know specifically, he is probably somewhat afraid of them and what they might have on him. And we know that they've like threatened, you know, Ryan's reporting about how they threatened Bill Clinton. So we can't put that past them at all. But he also says something there that he's like, I have a lot of support there. I mean, and that's part of how he thinks too. He's like, mary Madison gave me $100 million and I'm gonna do what she wants me to do. I'm gonna do what they want me to do because they really support me. And you know, there is a large constituency in the Republican party that is just, they're still majority, overwhelmingly pro Israel. So he's looking at where his bread is buttered and it doesn't, you know, that's certainly a part of the calculation of the way that he views the world.

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[Sagar Enjeti]

Sagra this will transition us to the next piece. I think he also is enamored with the real estate developer possibilities of the Gaza Strip.

[Crystal Ball]

Definitely. Yeah, that's right. All right, let's get to that, shall we? Because this, you know, we both were going through the post war plan, the PowerPoints, which remarkably are actually out in the open and it's actually insane. Let's go and put this up here on the screen. This was from the Washington Post. Gaza Post War plan envisions, quote, voluntary relocation of the entire population. It's called the Great Trust. From a demolished Iranian proxy to a prosperous Abrahamic ally. Let's stick with that. It's the Gaza Reconstruction, Economic acceleration transformation, or great as they are calling it. You can actually look at the prospectus. It's linked there. It's completely public. It, quote, envisions a temporary relocation of all of Gaza's more than 2 million population through what it calls voluntary departure to another country or into restricted secured zones inside the enclave during reconstruction. It would be financed, it says, by various shady entities. And I think the most important part here is that it would entail basically the United States being responsible for this. Much of the financial planning has been done by Boston Consulting Group. So this is like inclusion of all of the worst of America.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Now. They distance themselves now, by the way.

[Crystal Ball]

For the lawyers anyway. But yeah, for the lawyers, you know, they've put out a statement, et cetera. But at the very least, this is a classic Jared Kushner style, which, I mean, look, he even said it right over a year ago. He was like, oh, some of the best real estate in the world. And I do think that they are genuinely, like, enamored by what you said of the Riviera of the Middle East. But the most appealing part to Trump is that, quote, it requires no US Government funding and other significant profit to investors. Instead, what it would do is use private US Security contractors to distribute food in four Gazan locations, like with the ghf, which is de facto under Israeli control. And it would be financed by public and private sector investment for mega projects from electric vehicle plants, data centers, beach resorts, and high rise apartments. Now, obviously, I think the question of, like, who gets to live there seems to be pretty important. And like the ghf, what we have basically seen is this private quasi force which includes and is funded by the United States, by the Israeli government. What we know from GHF whistleblower Anthony Aguilar is that the Israelis were the, quote, client and were effectively the ones running this. And if the 2 million people who leave and you build this great resort for who's it for? Is it for the Israelis? So it's a US funded development resort, Disneyland project so that people in Tel Aviv can come to the beach. Like, what are we talking about here? Yeah, that's why it's. I mean, you know, disaster capitalism does not even capture what else this is. This is dark.

[Sagar Enjeti]

This is like the end stage of Catholic genocide on behalf of development.

[Crystal Ball]

He reminds me of that show, the Amazon prime show about if the Nazis won the war. I'm totally blanked.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Oh, man of the high castle.

[Crystal Ball]

That's what it is. It's like new. It's like, oh, what New York would have looked like if the Nazis had won. It's like bullet trains and, you know, a super fast Concorde aircraft. And then people are driving through the Midwest and there's ashes and they're like, oh, yeah, it's time for the hospital to burn the bodies. You're like, what? Yeah, like. But I mean, that's kind of the technological future that they envision. So it's, I mean, I won't go that far. It's not as bad, but it's pretty bad.

[Sagar Enjeti]

I mean, it's pretty bad. Like, again, we're talking about committing a genocide and an ethnic cleansing so we can clean out a population so that Trump and Kushner and his buddies can make millions on a real estate deal. That's what we're talking. I mean, and I have to say, the way this article sets up up, like, to not use any of that, any language around that is also really a disgrace when it's all laid out in the open. The mechanics of how they describe this, too, are utterly horrifying. First of all, they envision ghf, the Gaza Humanitarian foundation that Tony Aguilar has been blowing the whistle on. Bunch of paid American mercenary thugs who are apparently comfortable with murdering children as they seek aid. Aid. They're central to this plan. They lay out the different phases. In phase number one, they call it humanitarian operations. Israel fights to dismantle Hamas. GHF provides Hamas free, secure aid and temporary housing. They operate under humanitarian mandate to secure humanitarian operations and personnel. That's what they claim GHF is doing. In the next phase, the Great trust is created. GHF folds under the great Trust, and they're used. So I want you guys to understand, too, that this connects directly to what's happening on the ground right now with ghf. And this, again, is what Anthony Aguilar said. He said this is not an aid operation. These are shaping operations. What are the shaping operations meant to enable this? Is it to lure the population, to force them through starvation into certain parts of the Strip. Right now, once again, the IDF is in bombing the Helen of Gaza City, by the way, attacking people who are trying to flee, trying to follow the orders. And they're still attacking and murdering these people who are trying to do what they're told by the IDF they have to do. But in any case, they are part and parcel of this plan to fully get rid of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and create this Trump Riviera Gaza situation. Absolute insanity. And they talk in the cold language of the BCG consultants in this PowerPoint about how much more cost effective it will be if they can lure more Gazans to completely leave the strip. We'll save $30,000 for each person Palestinian that we lure to go to whatever country, Somaliland or whatever country agrees to ultimately take them. That's the way this is all laid out. And I really, really. There's something about the combination of this corporate speak, real estate development, PowerPoint, when, you know, like, we showed you the images, we know what is happening on the ground. We know the way that humans are being murdered and children destroyed and limbs amputated and the level of trauma and the complete destruction of, like, this was a real place with schools and hospitals and churches and mosques and community and family and cemeteries and life and culture and all of these, this. And you're just clearing it aside so Trump can build a fucking beachside hotel. Like, it's sick. It is absolutely sick. And the fact that it happens out in the open. That we can see the documents and the plans are announced and it just unfolds like it blows. It truly does blow my mind. It really does blow my mind.

[Crystal Ball]

Yeah, let's put E4 up on the screen because I think what's important to also note is how explicit the current campaign in Gaza City is with what this aim is, as opposed to the ostensible war cause if you listen to Scott Jennings on cd, it's really. What about the hostages? What about the hostages? All of the security cabinet, all of the idf, told Netanyahu any Gaza City takeover will not defeat Hamas. And they are begging for him to accept. Accept the, quote, limited hostage deal which has been on the table, the Wyckoff proposal, for what, like two weeks, three weeks now, that has been accepted by Hamas. They say, no, we're not going to do that. Instead, pushing out and taking over Gaza City is what? Eradication, destruction, and the creation of the zone so that you can eventually annex it and create the Gaza Riviera, which, by the way, they don't have to pay for. Because, of course, why would they have to pay for it, even though they broke all of it out and they want America to pay for it and the UAE and all these things, other. Other countries. And then to use the full might of the empire to actually force this expulsion and then pay for and quasi finance the development of Disneyland for Israelis. I mean, it's pretty insane and sickening, but that's the only way that you can actually make this all make sense, especially in the context of. They've been threatening what they have been threatening the current official annexation of the West Bank. Not that they obviously don't occupy it now. And then the Greater Israel Project project is in full force, except by this time, it's paid for by the US Taxpayer finance for the US Dollar. That's the really sick and insane part of it.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Yeah. And There's a. Put E2 up on the screen. There happens to be a crypto scam also at the heart of this. I mean, just to put the most modern, dystopian spin on it possible, those who. Those Palestinians who own land will be offered a digital token by the Trust in exchange for rights to redevelop their property. They'll be offered that. How kind of them. They'll get a digital token for their land that they, you know, have had in their family for generations. Unbelievable. And then, you know, as this is happening and unfolding again in front of our eyes, you can put E3 up on the screen you have the foremost association of scholars of genocide who just voted overwhelmingly, I think it was 86% or something, to say, yes, it's a genocide. And they join the, they join the view of the provisional ruling of the icj. They join the view of, of other scholars around the world, of Amnesty International, of Betsalam, of all sorts of international human rights organizations like Sager doesn't use that term, so put him aside. But for those who embrace this term and think that it means something and think that it should apply in certain situations, there is a consensus now and it is no longer a question.

[Crystal Ball]

Well, I wouldn't deny that within the confines of the term, that it doesn't.

[Sagar Enjeti]

Yeah, I've never. I know, I know, I know. And that's what I'm. Yeah, that's what I'm saying for sure. Yeah.

[Crystal Ball]

And look, I mean, and this is part of where Netanyahu. This is part of why. Because it all gets, you know, wrapped in the thing. Netanyahu goes on PVD and is like, of course I'll recognize the Armenian genocide, right? And it's like, so the Armenian genocide was a genocide and it was a mass murder, but this one is not. And so then he gets all this tedious genocide, you know, oh, this and that. It goes back, I've talked about this from 1948, the Genocide Convention. It was literally a term made up by a Polish writer in the 1940s. It was basically meant to invoke like a post World War II doctrine of quote, unquote, never again. Even though by its own fiction terms has obviously happened over and over again. That's probably why I just reject the term. I think mass murder is fine. And because I think that in general, if you operate based on American interest or if most countries do, then a lot of these things won't happen. The only reason that stuff like this even does happen is because of the slavish devotion that we have over to Israel. If it was treated like a normal state, they would be killing nobody. And if other people, if Western style democracies and others really lived up to their. My point is just that nobody ever actually lives up to this human rights style rhetoric because it's bullshit and it's just fake law created post World War II to make America feel good about itself, even though we have and many other countries have perpetuated horrific disasters point then. But yes, within that framework, of course I would deny it at all.

[Sagar Enjeti]

No, I mean, it's undeniable at this point. 10% of the population again either murdered or injured and there actively announcing their Athena cleansing plans. Like what are we doing here if you're still in denial of that? All right guys, rather than doing the hard turn to the US Open controversy, we talked for a really long time about a number of these topics. So we're just going to cut the show and go ahead and try to get it out to you guys on time. And Sagar and I are going to go ahead and do that AMA Live again. If you want to take part in those AMA lives, if you want to support actual independent news and journalism, please support us over@breaking points.com Appreciate you guys as always letting us do what we do. Ryan and Emily will be in Toronto tomorrow.

[Crystal Ball]

See you guys.

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