Join Mike and I as we chat about old man house project stuff we each were engrossed in to kick things off.

From there we talk about how small the music industry really is the longer you stay in it. Mike shares some of the opportunities he’s gotten over the years to fill in for people and his process of learning someone else’s songs with a day or two’s notice.

Mike and I get into a bit of drum talk as I’ve recently been learning how to play, which leads us to gushing over our love of Meshuggah and Tomas Haake. We trade some humorous stories of us going to see bands while high.

We discuss how we both had been going through a lot of life issues almost at the same time, and how we navigated those dark times, often checking in with each other.

All this and more in my expansive chat with Mike.

Intro Music:

“Remember “This Night” (Podcast Edit) by Chae Hawk

"Pretty Lights" by Heartsick

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