Brian from Washington DC: Birthright citizenship upheld by SCOTUS “Explicit Content”

Summary

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Brian Kilmeade Show

Episode: "Birthright Citizenship Upheld by SCOTUS – Explicit Content"

Date: June 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

Broadcasting live from Washington, D.C. during celebration events for America’s 250th birthday, Brian Kilmeade leads a dynamic discussion with guests including Congressman Brian Fitzpatrick, Marc Thiessen, Secretary of Homeland Security Markwayne Mullen, Dr. Mehmet Oz, and others. The episode dives deeply into three headline issues:

1. The Supreme Court's 5-4 ruling upholding birthright citizenship,
2. The attempted leftward shift and rise of socialism within the Democratic Party,
3. National security and border concerns, with a focus on immigration and terrorism.

The show features frank analysis, pointed debate, notable insights on current U.S. legislation, and on-the-ground stories from Congress and the executive branch.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Supreme Court Ruling on Birthright Citizenship

Segment begins: [62:26]

• The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 against President Trump’s executive order to redefine birthright citizenship, confirming the constitutional guarantee of citizenship for anyone born on U.S. soil under the 14th Amendment.

  • Markwayne Mullen (Secretary of Homeland Security) expresses strong disagreement:

    “I adamantly disagree with the spirit of the 14th Amendment on what the Supreme Court ruled here...The way that it’s being abused today wasn’t the intention of the 14th Amendment.” ([63:16])

  • Brian Kilmeade ties the debate to national security and points out broader abuse by adversarial nations (notably China):

    “Birthright citizenship has been abused…it’s been abolished in almost every Western country…our adversaries are having kids here that become citizens and be part of the social spending.” ([64:05])

• Discussion on the historical intent behind the 14th Amendment and how that differs from the practice today.

• Sonny Joy Nelson (former White House media affairs) adds:

  “It is obviously not what the drafters of the 14th Amendment intended…Not intended for birth tourism, not intended for women to come here, you know, for a short stint just so that they could give birth and their children be here legally.” ([77:21])

• Legislative prospects for addressing birthright citizenship are seen as dim, given Democratic opposition and the current political landscape.

Notable segment: The actual breakdown of court votes and reaction to Justices Roberts and Barrett siding with the majority to uphold birthright citizenship ([66:38]).

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2. Iran, National Security, and the “Peace” Talks

Segment starts: [01:43], returns at [75:54]

• Ongoing U.S.-Iran “negotiations” in Doha are characterized as a diplomatic farce.
  • Marc Thiessen (Washington Post columnist):

    “The last few days have made the memorandum of understanding seem...a joke because it calls for the immediate and permanent termination of military operations. Both sides agreed to that...And then they've been shooting back and forth.” ([75:54])

• The show discusses the impact of Trump’s military strikes against Iran and the skepticism around any proposed deal.
• Debate on billions in frozen and released Iranian funds, their intended “behavior-based” release, and the political/terror settlement context ([04:56-05:27]).
• Broader implications for energy markets, Gulf State extortion, and blockage of Iranian oil ([04:22], [05:31]).

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3. Rise of Socialism and Division in the Democratic Party

First addressed: [12:09], returns throughout - esp. [49:50], [80:02], [87:55]

• A string of primary victories by self-identified Democratic Socialists is posing an ideological “hostile takeover” within the Democratic Party.

  • Brian Kilmeade:

    “Democratic Socialists…they want to tax the rich, Medicare for all, extremist views, all anti-Israel, all anti-Semitism…it is pro-Islamist, anti-American…” ([12:09])

  • Marc Thiessen:

    “Generally speaking, when you have to qualify your ideology with the word ‘democratic,’ it means it’s not democratic. If you’re a democratic socialist, what it means is you’re a communist.” ([13:03])

  • Concern over the anti-Israel and antisemitic rhetoric rising within these factions, and its normalization.

• Analysis of primaries: New York (multiple DSA-backed victors), Colorado (Mila Quiros and Julie Gonzalez), and national implications.

  • Mike Lawler (NY Congressman) adds:

    “This is happening all across the country...you see this shift within the base of the Democratic Party…its leaders have no ability to stop it. They have fomented this for a very long time.” ([52:01])

  • Sonny Joy Nelson:

    “How are the democratic socialists gaining such momentum? How are they getting so much support? It makes no sense…let’s teach our children about the history of socialism and how it has not worked.” ([82:06])

• Bill Maher and John Fetterman cited as "voices of reason" pushing back against extremism on the left ([84:12]).

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4. Border Security, Immigration Enforcement, and Child Trafficking

Deep dive with Markwayne Mullen: [56:11]-[73:40]

• Mullen details the administration’s policy shifts—including deportations and enforcement against parole and TPS violators.
• Emphasizes crackdown on fraudulent asylum, the targeting of sex traffickers, and efforts to link backlog reductions to aggressive casework.

  • “70% of every person that we arrest and deport…have felony charges either pending or have already been charged at the time of the arrest.” ([69:41])

  • “The Democrats...want open borders. This is the same party that defunds police.” ([65:12])

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5. Defense Spending and the State of the U.S. Military

Key timestamp: [31:22], [35:01]

• Acting Navy Secretary calls for 350 ships to address global commitments.
  • Lucas Tomlinson:

    “We have about 300 right now, Brian…We need hulls, we need ships in the water…Latest Congressional Research Service says we only have about 48 attack boats in the water, we need many more.” ([32:28])

  • Kilmeade and guests debate military readiness in light of Russian and Iranian security challenges and Ukraine support.
  • Emphasis on rebuilding weapons stockpiles and bipartisan support for increased military budgets.

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6. Medicare, Medicaid Fraud, and Healthcare Reform

Featured guest: Dr. Mehmet Oz
Begins: [92:56]

• Dr. Oz details large-scale fraud within Obamacare and Medicaid, including millions of “phantom” enrollees and manipulative brokers.

  • “Almost half the people on the Obamacare exchanges never file a complaint…raises the possibility they don’t really know they have the insurance…or they’re manufactured names and people, they don’t really exist.” ([93:21])

  • Reports $46 billion already recovered from fraud, with further potential returns ([105:12]).
  • Discussion on ways to make both Medicare and Medicaid solvent and moral hazards when states benefit politically from fraud ([99:16–99:58]).
  • Broader call for work requirements and moderation in healthcare policy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Marc Thiessen on Socialism:

  “If you’re a democratic socialist, what it means is you’re a communist…these people are communists.” ([13:20])

• Brian Kilmeade on current Democratic Party:

  “The Democratic Party is moving left...We cannot allow our country to turn into Europe.” ([39:43])

• Markwayne Mullen on 14th Amendment:

  “I adamantly disagree with the spirit of the 14th Amendment on what the Supreme Court ruled here.” ([63:16])

• Dr. Mehmet Oz on Healthcare Fraud:

  “We just discovered a million people more on Obamacare with no Social Security numbers…These are manufactured people. They’re ghosts, phantoms. They don’t exist.” ([94:58])

• Sonny Joy Nelson on parental responsibility:

  “I’m a mom. I’m not going to let the education system just take over…parents have to step up…and instill civic duties into our children." ([83:18])

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Important Timestamps

| Segment | Description | Timestamp | |---------|-------------|-----------| | Supreme Court decision on birthright citizenship | Mullen, Kilmeade, and Nelson’s reactions; historical context and implications | 62:26 – 66:38, 77:13 – 78:13 | | Democratic socialist upsets & party takeover | Analysis on New York, Colorado primaries | 12:09, 49:50 – 52:01, 80:02 – 83:18 | | Iran “peace” process & security | Unpacking U.S./Iran Doha talks, defense funding | 01:43 – 08:59, 75:54 – 76:27 | | Border, child trafficking, deportations | Mullen's DHS update, policy enforcement | 56:11 – 73:40 | | Military buildup | Navy ship gap, defense budget debates | 31:22 – 37:18, 35:01 | | Medicare & Medicaid fraud | Dr. Oz details on "Obamacare ghosts" and response | 92:56 – 105:48 |

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Episode Tone & Language

• Tone: Fast-paced, combative, and solution-oriented, aligned with the Fox News approach. Speakers oscillate between outrage (re: socialism, fraud, immigration policy) and patriotic optimism as the nation celebrates its semiquincentennial.
• Language: Plainspoken, direct, with frequent conservative rhetorical flourishes. Guests and hosts express deep skepticism about the Democratic Party’s current direction, steadfast support for traditional American values, and aggressive advocacy for border and electoral security.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a must-hear snapshot of center-right sentiment on pivotal issues: the future of immigration and citizenship, the fraught state of U.S. party politics, hard-nosed solutions on border security, and the challenge of modernizing defense and healthcare in America’s 250th year. The show captures both the tension and hopefulness of a country in the midst of profound political and generational change.

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Transcript

[Brian Kilmeade]

From high atop FOX News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sewing division, it's Brian Kilmeade.

Yes, I'm on the same couch you watch me with Unfox and friends, wearing roughly the same outfit with a slight echo in my ear, which I know Allison and Erica to get on top of. I can deal with it. But why go over those emotional audio hurdles? Meanwhile, it's going to have a big hour coming your way. Congressman Brian Fitzpatrick, co chair of the Problem Solvers Caucus, and Lucas Tomlinson, who has no problems, will be joining us, updating on what's happening militarily. And Marc Thiessen to my immediate right. Before we get to Mark, let me just remind you, go to YouTube.com@the Brian Kilmejo to watch us on YouTube and you see this fantastic backdrop in beautiful Washington, D.C. and I couldn't say that a year ago, but it has become beautiful. Every fountain works. Every park's been fixed. We have a reflecting pool that reflects vandalism, sadly. So let's get to the big three. Number three, a few have been in this position for Paraguay, but he scores. Paraguay, they've done it. Paraguay have won it. And they booted Germany out of the World Cup. That is unbelievable, especially considering how Paraguay started getting crushed by the US they stun Germany as Morocco also has a stunning win over the Netherlands and Brazil survives against Japan. We'll have the latest from the World cup as the Europe gets set to play the knockout round field of 32 tomorrow night in Santa Clara.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Number two.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The last few days have made the

[Marc Thiessen]

memorandum of understanding seem kind of kind of a joke because it calls for

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

the immediate and permanent termination of military operations.

[Marc Thiessen]

Both sides agreed to that. They signed it. And then they've been shooting back and forth.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, I agree with you, Byron York. Iron Iran and the US could not be further apart as they meet today in Doha. Or do they? The strait, Hezbollah, frozen funds, all points of contention. Number one, I believe that it's time that we tax the rich, tax the

[Mila Quiros]

billionaires and now the trillionaires.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yes, just like the founding fathers want punished. Success. Another primary day in Colorado threatens to rock the Democratic Party as the socialists look to show. New York was no fluke, but a new trend, and that is the civil war. I don't know if the Democrat leadership will survive. Marc Thiessen joins us now. Mark, let's put socialism on hold for a second. Let's talk about Iran.

Okay.

I don't even know if I could say they're going to meet in Doha because I'm watching the Iranian report saying we're going to Doha, but we're not meeting with the Americans.

[Marc Thiessen]

Well, the Iranian, the Iranian state newspaper just had a full page spread calling for the assassination of Donald Trump. So I think.

[Brian Kilmeade]

State run newspaper.

[Marc Thiessen]

State run newspaper. So this is the official, the fiscal mouthpiece of the regime.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That or the, what New York Times did that? Yeah, they might, you know, the New York Times situation. But you're feeling about this.

[Marc Thiessen]

I mean, so look, I give President Trump enormous credit for having done what he did. The 40 now 40 plus days of bombing has set the Iranian regime back dramatically. And I understand that he's, he's a dealmaker and he wants to see if a deal is possible, but it's not looking like a deal is possible. And the Iranian regime, they've been battered, but they're not chastened, they are not acting like they're ready for unconditional surrender. And I think it's inevitable this is going to go back to combat at some point. And look, if no one's talking about sending ground troops, no one's talking about occupying Iran, nobody is talking about a massive month long campaign. We're talking about 10 to 15 days to finish off what he started. And that's all you need. And then you, you reimpose the blockade. You open the strait to everybody but Iran and just keep a stranglehold on them and let the world's oil flow. And, and then we arm the Iranian people to overthrow their government and install a country, a government that doesn't wake up every morning saying death to America. And then Donald Trump's successes, which are in question, unquestionable, will be locked in permanently.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The one thing that has evolved since you joined me on Fox and friends at 620 this morning. Scott Besson was on two hours ago.

[Marc Thiessen]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And I said, well, you guys unlocked, you allowed them to sell oil at market rates. He goes, true, but do you know not one person outside, not one country outside China has taken him up on that. Yeah. No one has purchased oil. So they're waiting because they said we think the sanctions are coming back on. They're not convinced. Perhaps every country has their own reason. But you also believe that there's questions about this so called $300 billion fund to allow Iran to rebuild themselves. That was supposed to be behavior based.

[Marc Thiessen]

Yeah. So that's in the mou, that the US Will help, doesn't say that we'll commit any money to it, but that we'll help organize a $300 billion fund. This is obviously after an agreement and after the United after they've given up their nuclear program and all the rest of it. But that's double the that's double the size of the Marshall Plan in today's dollars. And the truth is I think that that is never going to happen because the US Isn't going to give any money to it. The most of the Gulf states are not going to give who's going to fund the $300 billion? I don't think it's going to happen.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Some of the Gulf states so spooked they'll pay it almost as extortion.

[Marc Thiessen]

It's possible that some might pay some extortion make that because the only reason they would do that is if they think we're not willing to finish the job. And right now there are probably some doubts as to whether we're going to finish the job. I have no doubts that President Trump is not going to just let this situation fester. He might let it go on for a little while. He might give them some time, more time than they deserve to come around. But there's no way look, his bottom lines are one, there's they're going to give up their nuclear program and to the strait is going to be opened uncontested to to of international shipping. If Iran is not willing to do those two things, we're going back to war. If I question of when and mark

[Brian Kilmeade]

if I listen to what they said, which is now more than ever, we need a nuclear program and the strait will remain under the management of Iran and Oman. Here's the foreign minister Abbas Guarantee, who's evidently a air quote moderate.

[Mila Quiros]

Cut three, Any attempt to establish new

[Marc Thiessen]

or separate arrangements from those currently being carried out by the Islamic Republic of Iran will only lead to further complications.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And here is cut five.

[Marc Thiessen]

I call on all parties not to interfere in the manner of the management of the Strait of Hormuz and in the arrangements being adopted by the Islamic Republic of Iran for the reopening of this trader for moves to abide by the signed memorandum of understanding.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And in that it's gray but it says after 60 days they'll take over management. And at which time they also the France said hey, we'll help you with mine sweeping. We'll clean it up. And they said no, we'll do the minesweep.

[Marc Thiessen]

Yeah, so it says it doesn't say after 60 days they'll take it over. Just says that they will allow it for 60 days and it's silent on what happens after 60 days? They read that as they're in charge after 60 days, and they can charge stoles and all the rest of it. I don't think President Trump has agreed, has agreed to that. But they're not even allowing safe passage through now during the 60 days that supposedly that clock has started. So. And the, also the idea that these are moderates, you know, that's like saying, you know, moderate Nazis, you know, okay, we'll get rid of Hitler and we'll, we'll work with the moderate Nazis. There are no moderates. The, the gallop. The, the speaker of the parliament, who's been our interlocutor. He was custom, Soleimani's best friend. They grew up together. They moved up through the system together. Soleimani went into the irgc, could force. He went into politics, into the parliament. But they were, they were close, ideological and dear friends. And these people hate us. I mean, we kill, we killed Trump, killed their, their supreme leader, he killed Soleimani, who's revered in the, in the, in the radical Islamist segment that they want revenge. The only reason they're talking at all is because they don't want the bombing to start again. So start the bombing again.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I hear you, Mark. They just don't want the price of oil to go up again, which we understand, because it has everything to do with the election, which you're also an expert on politics. So the president process, who is looked at as that moderate category, who was, I think, a doctor or a scient before this, he says the $6 billion is part of a $12 billion Iranian release of frozen funds held by Qatar. And is that released to Iran together with the lifting of oil sanctions that were part of the mou. So I'm not saying this to confuse you at home. I'm telling you that I'm confused.

[Buddy Carter]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I'm telling you that I try to get a hold of this story and relate to people accurate information, and it's the exact opposite of what we're saying. Now, I am perfectly willing to say that they're skewing it, but it's coming from multiple sources. The moderates, the irgc. That is the exact opposite. So I'm just wondering what they're talking about.

[Marc Thiessen]

So there is no circumstance under which any of the frozen funds should go back to Iran, period, full stop. There's a number of reasons for that. Number one, there are 90 different judgments against Iran. Remember, we talked about how since, for 47 years, they've been carrying out acts of terror against the United States. They've been killing Americans. They killed more until 9, 11. They had more American blood on their hands than any terrorist regime in the world. Right there. 90 judgments worth $50 billion that they owe to American victims of terrorism. Make them whole first before you give anything back to the Iranian regime. And then, by the way, we spent a lot of money on this, on this war to disarm them. You know, President Trump offered them a peaceful way to disarm. They refused. We had to go to war to do it. Why? You know, right now we look down at Capitol Hill down there, we can't get Congress to pass an Iran supplemental. The Democrats won't vote for it. We got a few Republicans who are saying they won't vote for it in a, in a reconciliation bill. Why don't we pay for the war with Iranian frozen assets? Remember when Trump said Mexico will build a wall in Mexico, we'll pay for it. Well, let's disarm Iran and let Iran pay for it. I think that would be a hugely popular thing on the campaign trail. Going into the midterms, it's like, you're not going to pay for this war. Iran's going to pay for the war. They're going to pay for all the missiles we fire. They're going to pay to replenish our stock.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I love that idea.

[Marc Thiessen]

It's a two minute decision in the first minutes for coffee.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I will tell you some somewhat new information since we last spoke. I talked to a high ranking official and they said if they were to do that, it would complicate the talks right now. But he didn't say that's not going to happen.

[Marc Thiessen]

Yeah. So I think that's what should happen. And maybe it might complicate the talks. But you know what's complicating the talks?

[Brian Kilmeade]

What?

[Marc Thiessen]

The Iranians.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yes.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

They were talking to him at all. I mean, the minute we said hello, it got complicated. Hey, more with Marquis in a moment. I do want to talk about and put in perspective this rise of socialism. And it's something I'm sitting in the sidecar witnessing but not feeling great about. Because if you talk about American innovation and freedom, if you talk about the Founding Fathers, they work to free themselves from a system that told them how much they were going to make and what they were going to do and how much in life they were allowed to achieve, and now the Democrats are embracing a system that will tell them how much they're going to make and how much they, how little they're going to achieve. And how much they should blame other people for their frustrations. That's called socialism. And with the love of communism, don't move.

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[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

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[Brian Kilmeade]

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[Marc Thiessen]

When people see what Mayor Mom Donnie is able to accomplish in New York City and they see Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio Cortez traveling the country fighting for us, this is the Democratic Party that they want to see. And it's not restricted to one locale. It is in Florida.

[Mila Quiros]

It is every.

[Marc Thiessen]

It is in Colorado with Malak Kiros.

[Mila Quiros]

It is everywhere across the United States of America.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Democratic Socialist Alva Larkin weighing in on the run that the Democratic socialists are having. I shouldn't say Democrat Bernie Sanders disciples are having. You got three. They got elected seven overall in New York State Legislature, three overall in New York for U.S. congress. And they're going to vote through because there's no Republican. There's no Republican competition. And what they believe is extreme. It's all anti Israel, it's all anti Semitism. It is pro Islamist, no question about it, anti American. And they want to tax the rich, Medicare for all. And they have extremist views. In this, in this Marc Thiessen in this one woman, Dara Lisa Chevrolet or Chevalier, she comes out and says she heralded Stalin. She says how you have to read Karl Marx's other books and was complaining that in the New York State Library there's not enough communist and Marxist books.

[Marc Thiessen]

Yes.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So that was up to 20. 2020. This is CNN discovered this.

[Marc Thiessen]

So it's interesting. You know, they call themselves democratic socialists. Generally speaking, when you have to qualify your ideology with the word democratic, it means it's not democratic. Right. So you know the German Democratic People's Republic, the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea, like every communist regime called itself democratic.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Right.

[Marc Thiessen]

So if you're a democratic socialist, what it means is you're a communist. Okay. That Bernie Sanders is a communist, Mamdani is a communist. These people are communists. Mamdani says his philosophy is from each according to his ability to each is according to his needs. That's straight out of Karl Marx's definition of communism. So let's be honest. I mean, the president is right, but the other thing that they are, and it's related, is they're anti Semites and the communists were anti Semites. I mean, if you remember, you're old like me. So you remember the Cold War. During the Cold War, it was the Jewish refuseniks like Natan Sharansky who were in the Gulag, right? They wouldn't let the Jews leave the Soviet Union because. So communism and antisemitism are intertwined deeply. And they're intertwined here in America, except now it's got the added element of Islamic radicalism tied in with Marxism. And they're trying to. And they're taking, they're launching a hostile takeover of the Democratic Party. And the Democratic Party isn't fighting back.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So how do you explain the marriage between Islamists and Democrats? Because they will have women's rights, Jane Fonda. We deserve that. We deserve everything that men have out of the workplace in the 60s and 70s. Women have almost no rights in these orthodox Islamic communities. If you look at what's out there, how do you gel those two?

[Marc Thiessen]

Because it's, it's, it doesn't have to make sense, Brian. It's about power, right? And so if they, it matters, do you hate the right people? So the Islamists hate the Jews. And so if they, if they hate the Jews and therefore they're perfectly aligned with this, with this, with the, with the Democratic Party today, which is become, which is embracing anti Semitism. If you think about this, anti Semitism exists on the left and the right.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Right?

[Marc Thiessen]

We've talked about this. And on the right, it's a fringe phenomenon. Like, you know, there are basically two anti Semites in Congress where Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tom Massie and Trump drove both of them out.

[Mila Quiros]

Right?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah.

[Marc Thiessen]

You know, in the Democratic Party, you've got Elon Omar, you've got Rashida Tlaib, you've got all, you've got the whole squad which is anti Semitic. And they not only they go out and say things like the support for Israel is all about the Benjamins and accused people of dual loyalty and all these anti Semitic tropes. And they keep getting promoted within the Democratic Party. And now you've got a whole bunch more of them coming in. So while the Republicans are kicking all the Jew haters out of the party, the Democrats are loading up in Congress.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So this is Diane De Gad, who's been in Congress since 1997 1st congressional district over in Colorado and she is being, and she is being challenged by another extremist who they want to show that New York was no fluke. So this extremist believes everything. I mean doesn't makes excuses for any type of violence against Jews. Says it's really because Israel and the way they're acting over Israel and the way they're acting over, in, over in Gaza. And now you have this kiros, this 29 year old democratic socialist who a Notre Dame law graduate made headlines after being fired by her law firm in 2023 for refusing to take down a post defending pro Palestinian advocacy and criticizing Israel. She has been backed by the DSA track, AIPAC and the Colorado Working Families and Justice Democrats and Sunrise movement. So she's making a real run at this seat. Some, the experts say I don't, don't do polling in Colorado. She's likely going to win. John Hickenlooper is being challenged two term governor and senator and evidently the socialist challenge has got a real shot in Colorado. That's why we're talking very similar to what we were doing over the last few days because Gonzalez, Julie Gonzalez is challenging him. She's a state senator and she's backed by the dsa.

[Marc Thiessen]

So this would be like if Nick Fuentes was launching a hostile takeover of the Republican Party and running a bunch

[Brian Kilmeade]

of congressional candidates and a valid proud white supremacist.

[Marc Thiessen]

Exactly. White supremacist, anti Semite, you know the Candace Owens, the Tucker Carlson's of the world. If they were like launching a movement to take over the Republican Party and no one was fighting back and what the Democrats say is like they justify rolling over for these people by, by saying well they're just what they're doing. Is it really, they're not, they're not competing in red states or purple states, they're just making blue districts and blue states bluer. Well, first of all that's a problem for the Democratic Party because the bluer and the more radical those states get, the more people leave. And then in 2030, after the census, they're going to lose, they're going to, they're going to lose 14 congressional seats and 10 electoral college votes. And that means the blue wall is gone. So it's hurting them. But it's not just the blue states getting blue. Or look at, look at Platner in Maine. He could, he could, he could potentially. He's leading Susan Collins two points by a few points. You've got, you got this guy in Abdul said Abdul said in Michigan, who could become a United States senator. So this is not just blue states getting bluer. This is this is a hostile takeover of the Democratic Party.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But has the country changed in two years? Because at least the phonic who Elise Slotkin, who won by a couple of points or one point over Mike Rogers, now Mike Rogers trailing by the same mount to this extreme candidate in Michigan.

[Marc Thiessen]

It's insane. It's insane.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So we got to figure it out. But we'll talk again.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Mark.

[Marc Thiessen]

All right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Unless Lawrence Jones insists on interviewing you

[Marc Thiessen]

on Fox and Friends or maybe Ainsley

[Brian Kilmeade]

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[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

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[Marc Thiessen]

We'll get everybody together on Monday. Tomorrow we're bringing them all back. We got a big week ahead of us of work before you begin all the celebrations on the weekend. Much more left to do. We've got the National Defense Authorization Act. We have Appropriations where we're spending less money and doing it more efficiently and effectively. We have the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. We've got to reauthorize. We've got the surface transportation bill, many really important pieces of legislation and of course, reconciliation 3.0. I got to have everybody working here on all cylinders and I'm excited to

[Brian Kilmeade]

bring them back and that is why they're coming back before July 4th. And as Speaker, Mike Johnson with me right now, one of those people who's back, Congressman Brian Fitzpatrick of Pennsylvania, obviously up every two years for the election cycle. He's a Republican, House Intelligence Ways and Means Committee, chairman of the subcommittee on the CIA and co chair of the Problem Solvers Caucus. So where do you stand right now in the House when it comes to the Save America Act? Because the Senate's not going anywhere with it. You guys keep passing it.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Yeah. I mean, it's voter ID. It's an 80, 20 issue even in our district, which is, you know, very much a microcosm of America. It's an 80, 20 issue. You know, it's one of the things that Democrats are very compromised on. Many of them want to support it, but they feel pressure for whatever reason from their party leadership not to the challenge. Brian, has been the 60 vote threshold on the filibuster. You know, they have 53 votes for it. They don't have 60 votes. And that's been the issue.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So with you in Pennsylvania right now. So you watching that happen, are you for blowing up the filibuster even though it's the Senate?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

I do not. You know, I think protecting minority rights is really, really important. You know, you don't want the Senate to turn into the House. That's going to be a problem. You know, I think it's, it's better for the long term trajectory of our country if you have, you know, bipartisanship at least in one chamber being required.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So when you, when you talk about your chamber in particular, Experts say about 18 districts are toss ups. Is that how you view it?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

It's really going to depend. I mean, I don't think the polling means much right now because really it's going to change a lot come September, October. That's when you're going to get a better sense for where the true toss ups are. A lot of it's going to come down to district by district, race by race, factors, you know, the candidates themselves, themselves, how good of a campaign, the running issues that may crop up at the end of the campaign, that's really going to determine the outcome here.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What about for you and your district? You know, it's going to be a fight every single time. And is that why you're co chair of the Problem Solvers Caucus, because you live in a purple area?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Well, I believe in two party solutions. That's what I believe in. It's called legislating. Right. I mean as long as the filibuster is in place, which I think it should be, because I do believe in minority rights for the Senate, that everything you advance has got to be a two party solution. So if it's a serious legislative attempt, it's got to be bipartisan.

[Buddy Carter]

Right.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Outside of reconciliation, every bill has got to be a two party bill.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you with Tom Suozzi are doing this. Tom Suozzi made some news last week, I think Thursday, by saying I'm a capitalist and I'm not a socialist. What is happening to the Democratic Party? You saw what happened in New York, people go, that's New York. Well, did you see what happened in New Jersey? Well, that's just one district in New Jersey. You see what happened in Philadelphia, now we're seeing in Colorado. How do you explain this?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

It's, it's concerning, you know. You know, it's a very, very dangerous mindset. You know, certainly everyone's entitled to their views in this country, but that their view of government and their view of America I believe to be very, very dangerous.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What about anti Semitism? I mean, it seems it's a part of.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

It's a huge problem. It's a huge problem. You know, and Tom, you know, it's pretty crazy when Tom says, you know, I'm a democratic capitalist, not a democratic socialist, and he's being threatened by his left flank. That's insane.

[Brian Kilmeade]

He's being primary.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

I think they already got through their

[Brian Kilmeade]

primary, so they're through. Okay. Obviously New York. So he did it, but he felt the threat and felt he had to come out and say that. So with you in particular, when we look at this war, where do you stand right now? What questions do you have? Because we're just going over marties and we got the Iranian saying one thing. We're saying the exact opposite. Even on the meeting today, we don't know if the meeting's going to happen.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Well, I think two things can be true. Right? I think, you know, certainly Iran was the world's largest state sponsor of terror. They were, you know, take your pick, weeks, months, whatever you want to say, away from nuclear proliferation in terms of their advancement of their enrichment of uranium. And that now has been denigrated. And that's a good thing for the world. I think we can all agree to that. My advice to the administration is much like FDR had his fireside chats where he walked the American people through the war. I think that's a very, very important thing to do with the American people, is to take them on the journey with you, tell them why it's important, what we're doing, the consequences of not acting.

[Buddy Carter]

Right, right.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

You got to bring the people with you. And I think that's where we could have done it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But you think the administration could have a better job?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Yes, I do.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Even though you needed that element of take out the ayatollah.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Well, I'm not talking before.

[Buddy Carter]

Right.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

I mean, that's why the War powers Act says 48 hour notification. That was to the gang of eight. Right. We don't have to telegraph our punch, but once we're in the overt phase. Yes. I think you do need to take the American people with you. I think President George W. Bush, who I have a ton of respect for, also could have done a better job in Iraq with regard to communicating that. So I think it's a very, very important thing that you bring the American people with you on that journey.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. So when you talk about the supplemental, where do you stand that they're going to need to finance the rest?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

We haven't seen it yet. Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Are they going to.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Are they going to go through reconciliation? Are they going to go through the appropriations? We have the NDA on the floor this week, so there's a number of components to that. Certainly. We also.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Can you explain that the NDA, they're asking for 1.5 trillion for next year.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

So the National Defense Authorization act is the annual Pentagon funding bill. Then you have the appropriations, the standard annual re ops. That's the, you know, funds the budget. And then there's budget reconciliation, which is a tool that the majority can choose to use if they so choose to circumvent the filibuster. That basically has to be budgetary in nature. So there can't be any policy riders in there. Right. So the Save America act could not be included in reconciliation and pass the bird bath.

[Brian Kilmeade]

No money.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

There's no money involved unless you attach it to something else, which is not going to be brought up. A reconciliation three you don't see happening?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

I personally don't, but we'll see. You know, I mean, it depends on what's in it. Everybody's just talking about the title reconciliation. What are they trying to accomplish and what's going to be in it and how is it going to be paid for, for. Keep in mind, it's got to be budget neutral. Right?

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Right.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

So for everything they do, they have to have cost offsets. And that's where the controversy comes, because

[Brian Kilmeade]

we looked at Hong Kong, who said two days ago, we said, I need 350 ships if we want to be able to truly have the force needed to show that force in the Middle east as well as in the Pacific. Have you looked at that?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

We have not, no.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So would that be something if that was in the authorization? You would just need clarification.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Of course. Yeah. I mean, every dollar that we spend, we have to be very vigilant on.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So when you talk about the FBI, how is it functioning under.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Under cash Patel, you know, where you

[Brian Kilmeade]

used to work, it is.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

It is. It's changed a lot. You know, not in all good ways, I will say. But, you know, I keep in touch with the FBI's agents association. You know, they just want the. This is their concern, Brian, is that if you're a rank and file agent who's given a subpoena to serve, who has no control over, you know, the opening of the case, how the case proceeding, you're just doing a ministerial function as a line level agent and you're being fired for. That's a problem.

[Buddy Carter]

Right.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

And we have had instances.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You mean so an agent that was working on something during the Biden administration is paying a price with their job?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Yes.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Because they followed their assignment?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Yes.

[Brian Kilmeade]

How often is that?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Well, that's what we're trying to get our arms around.

[Buddy Carter]

Right.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

We're working with the Agent Association. They have a direct line of communication with me. And, you know, it's in everybody's interest to make sure the FBI is healthy, fully funded, but, you know, functionally healthy, that morale is high, that people feel free to do their jobs without retribution or retaliation. And, you know, that's one of my responsibilities. I'm the only agent in Congress I got to make sure that they're doing okay.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you must have been horrified in many ways when that laptop got shot to FDI agents. And they make the computer, the repair shop owner, feel like he is. He's the. He's the offender, you know, and things like, to that nature, the political element that must have taken place during those years. How much did politicization get involved with Barack Obama at the end of his term and Joe Biden during his term?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

It was more so the DOJ than it was the FBI. The prosecutors are the ones that approve. Subpoenas are the ones that have to approve. Quite frankly, a lot of what agents do outside of standard interviews. And that's where I saw more of the politicization was in the Department of Justice.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Because the FBI does the raids because the president or the DOJ tells them to.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Well, yeah, I mean, like mar a lago. Yeah. I mean, a grand jury subpoena requires a grand jury. Only a prosecutor can be in a grand jury. Only a prosecutor can go to a judge and swear, you know, the agent swears a warrant out, but they have to present it to the judge. So you need DOJ concurrence with virtually everything you do as an agent.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right. So how did you handle all the publicity around your wedding? Which I was honored to be invited.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Yeah. No, we appreciate you being there. The publicity was all on Jackie's side, none of mine. Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But you had a lot of friends there on both sides of the aisle.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Yeah. And it was, it was just a special day. I mean, New York's a special place for all of us. My grandparents immigrated in through Ellis Island. Jackie's parents immigrated in to New York through Hungary. Her parents got married on a boat. The Spirit of Boston. We got to play the tune that my great uncle, my dad's Uncle Phil, who was an NYPD officer who was killed in the line of duty, who was also an Irish music writer, he wrote that song. So there's a lot of family history there.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It was because you went around the out Manhattan Island. So you saw Liberty.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

We sure did.

[Lucas Tomlinson]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Yeah.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

It was a special moment it for us.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So now in your job and in Jackie's job, no honeymoon.

[Lucas Tomlinson]

Yes.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

That's how it is in this business. Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

As you said.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Right. You get two days, you're back in the work. Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Watch Caroline Levitt, what, three weeks.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Right, right, right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

For paternity care or maternity. Maternity care. So when you come back. So you're going to fight to keep this seat and you go, how do you handle a situation where to keep your seat? You can't be too partisan. If you were a hard driving Rush Limbaugh conservative, you might not win that seat that you're in right now. Is that safe to say?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Well, I think it's much simpler than that, Brian. Honestly, if you vote your district, you stick with the people that sent you there, everything works out right. So sometimes that's going to be with, you know, people that supported you in the election, sometimes going to be against them. But as long as you explain that, that your job is not to represent a person or a party, but to represent the people back home. That's the brilliance of, of the system of government our founders established nearly 250 years ago. So I think it's important that we stay true to that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you can see the booths out there and every State's represented except 10 and Pennsylvania scrambling to get their booth together because Governor Shapiro said, I think this is too partisan and I can't get a sponsor. Now it looks like Senator fetterman and Senator McCormick, Democrat and Republican, working together to unveil something. July 2nd, could you tell us what's on going, going on in Pennsylvania? Because without Pennsylvania, we're not a country with the history that you guys have. That is Liberty Bell in Philadelphia, the Declaration of Independence. My goodness, why aren't you guys having a booth out there already?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Well, my understanding is that there were some Developments yesterday that, that changed. The Department of Commerce, for example, is coming out here. So I think we're going to see some positive.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But how do you feel about the governor deciding that this is too political? I mean, disappointing.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

I haven't heard him say that. You know, Josh, Why didn't he do it? I don't know. I haven't talked to him about it. You know, Josh, Josh is a friend of mine. You know, he's got a lot going on. But my understanding is that they're, they haven't been sending some people here yesterday.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But it's only because of the Senate, because Josh, Bureau on the record saying we had trouble getting a sponsor. We think this is too political. Does this seem political to you?

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Well, Listen, it's America 250, so I hope everyone can strip that aside and celebrate our country.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, Brian Fitzpatrick, thanks so much. Appreciate it. You bet. All right. He's going to look for two more years, guys. When we come back, I'm going to find, go out to Lucas Tomlinson, who's out and about. Plus he's got that military expertise and was just in Doha. What does he think is going to happen in these talks? You'll see in the Brian Kilmeade show on location in Washington D.C. where big

stories meet bigger conversations. Stay informed and energized with the Brian Kilmeade show. Radio. That makes you think. This is the Brian Kilmeade Show.

We're always ready. We're always on deployment all the time. But right now we need 350 ships. And that's exactly why the President is pushing for this $1.5 trillion budget so we can build the ships we need because ships like the uss, you know, Gerald Ford and the entire strike group was extended till 11 months on deployment because we didn't have enough ships to backfill them. And that's why we need these ships out there. But I tell you what, the strength of our Navy Marine Corps is the sailors and Marines that are, that are manning our ships and, you know, bases and they're, they're getting things done. All right, there you go. And that is Hong Kong, Secretary of the Navy, Annapolis grad, like my next guest, Lucas Tomlinson, who you know him best as a Fox News contributor. But keep in mind too, as you hear that, just a note, we're streaming on Fox Nation now, But in about 10 minutes, top of the hour, we're in Washington D.C. celebrating America's 250th birthday. We're going to be streaming on YouTube as well. We, we rarely go live on YouTube so we're going to be doing that YouTube.com@the Brian Kilmeade show. But the Secretary of Navy which is a great pick, he was ran for senator in Virginia. He says, I need 350 ships. How many do we have?

[Lucas Tomlinson]

We have about 300 right now, Brian. And some people think like the acting Navy Secretary Hung Kao who's great story by the way. Vietnamese refugee just recently came back to Vietnam in official capacity. It was pretty incredible. Is the American dream. This is why we're Here celebrating the 250th anniversary of this country. Think of Ben Franklin, right? He was practically an indentured servant to his older brother. 15th of 17 kids he ran away. He ran away from Boston to Philadelphia. Started his business in printing, obviously was a scholar, you know, self taught, of course. You know, printer, inventor, became a national celebrity. But all self taught and it was ambition, it was dreams. We're seeing some of that in Hung Cow of course as well.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Absolutely. What I like about him, number one great choice. If you saw him around as a candidate, you thought man, I hope this

[Lucas Tomlinson]

guy get your guts out.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So smart and thinks America first. The more veterans I think we have serving, I think the better off we have. But we're not good at building ships right now.

[Lucas Tomlinson]

Slow.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So why not? And just your opinion, Lucas, which I know you're not supposed to get, but just your opinion. But with your military background, South Korea is. Yeah, so why don't we just commission South Korea? We can trust them. If we need to supervise, we'll supervise. But just give the contract to them. We while building up our infrastructure. We're not ready.

[Lucas Tomlinson]

Agreed. We need hulls, we need ships in the water. Part of it is just competition. You know how many companies in the world build aircraft carriers?

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

1.

[Lucas Tomlinson]

You know, as you heard from the secretary, we need a lot more of them. What does every president ask in a crisis? Where's the nearest aircraft carrier? Now there's a lot of talk in a potential war with China. The aircraft carrier is actually not a player. You have all those.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Because we'd have to back them up so far, right, because they're targets 100%.

[Lucas Tomlinson]

That said, you look at Venezuela, you look at Iran enforcing the blockade. We still have two carrier strike groups there now and we need more of them. We need more ships, we need more submarines. The latest Congressional Research Service. Since you're here in Washington, Brian, we can geek out here about it. Says we only have about 48 attack boats in the water, we need many more. And you know, while there's talk with Aukus, you know, giving Virginia class attack boats to the Australians, there's some people a little nervous, like, we need this. We need it for China, we need it for, you know, to patrol the world's oceans.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But we need $1.5 trillion because we also want the golden dome, which I've seen demonstrated by norad. It's not pie in the sky. No, I mean, you can do it. So if you're an American president, you go, how do I protect my people? Well, what's the number one threat? It's going to be rockets, missiles into intercontinental missiles and drones. So how do I do that? Well, we have the technology. Well, what have I done to do that? Well, I got to get everyone together. What's it going to cost my home? Hope is there'll be bipartisan buy in for it. And maybe if you want to help

[Lucas Tomlinson]

Ukraine, how do you help them? It's not with blankets. You got to give them weapons. And how do you give them weapons? You know, it's going to take about seven years to replenish our stockpile the weapons we just gave to Ukraine. That's not counting the war with Iran. A lot of weapons need to be made. And when people hear $1.5 trillion big number, there's no question even in Washington, that's, that's a big number that equates to about 5% of our GDP. And remember at the last Naito summit, President Trump asked Naito got to increase the spend. 2% is not good enough anymore. The new baseline needs to be 5%. We're seeing that with our Eastern European allies. President Trump's about to go to NATO's summit in Turkey next week. I'll be there. And that's going to be one of the ask. People need to spend more. But are Democrats going to go for a $1.5 trillion defense budget? Not likely. Even though many of them probably want to do more to help Ukraine. How do you do it with weapons?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, you got $980 billion, 950 billion we're living off now. And we need a supplemental of 80 billion because of various commitments from Ukraine over to Iran. Ukraine is one of the great military turnaround stories. Number one, everybody was wrong about how long they could withstand the pressure. They were wrong four years ago. And then they said, well, it's just a matter of time before Ukraine loses all.

[Lucas Tomlinson]

They were wrong 250 years ago, right?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Absolutely. So now we have a situation where the Russians are getting hit in their capital. They have an energy shortage. Vladimir Putin has a people shortage. He's losing 32,000 casualties off the battlefield. Many average lifespan is a week and a half.

[Lucas Tomlinson]

Now how would you like to be a recruit in the Russian military right now? Would be terrible. And just to take it back to 250, Brian, a lot of people said that about George Washington. 1776, as you well know. Read your books. Wasn't a great year for Washington. I mean it was if it wasn't for divine providence and sending a fog bank in Washington doesn't get his army across the East River. After the ill fated battle of Long island, the surveyor kind of got out, surveyed, right. He got outflanked by the British, had to retreat down New Jersey. What did he do? He outlasted him. And that's what we're seeing in Ukraine, people fighting for their independence and outlasting the Russian military. I think one note too. With these drone strikes in Russia for many years Putin has obfuscated the war.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Right.

[Lucas Tomlinson]

The people in St. Petersburg, people Moscow don't know what's going on. Now they're seeing it. Go out for a latte in St. Petersburg, see smoke in the horizon. You're like, holy, this is real.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Go to Philippi park and all of a sudden this liquidity, this gas station of the country has no gas and oil.

[Lucas Tomlinson]

And by the way, the Barbary War said we'll pick that up the next time. What did Jefferson have to do? He said defeat him since Stephen Decatur

[Brian Kilmeade]

to crush them blockade didn't work.

From the Fox News radio studios in midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmeade. All right.

Yes, we're in Washington D.C. i'm so glad you're there. We love taking the show on the road. That's exactly what's happening. What better place to be than the capital of a country that's 250 years old on Saturday, July forth, which is coming into fruition now. You can imagine the feeling in Philadelphia as the Declaration of Independence was being hammered out by the smartest people of any generation, I would argue. And we have a big hour coming your way. The by the back half of the hour going to be joined by Secretary of Homeland Security Mark Wayne Mullen. And we got Congressman, we got Congressman Buddy Carter. Buddy Carter right here as as well as Congressman Mike Lawler coming up from the 17th district. So we have a lot going on today. Keep in mind you can now watch us live on YouTube since we're on the road. YouTube.com/@the Brian Kilmeicho and Congressman, what do you think? How do you describe this backdrop?

[Buddy Carter]

Oh, it's picturesque. I mean, you can't get any better than this. This is awesome.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I know you can see the Capitol right behind us, the Ferris wheel in the foreground. But then you have every state is basically representing except for a few Democratic states who thought it was too partisan. What does Georgia have?

[Buddy Carter]

Well, Georgia's here. We got, you know, strong agriculture, community, a lot of displays and reflecting that and just how wonderful of a state. You know, Georgia combines everything. We've got 100 miles of pristine coastline. We've got the mountains up in North Georgia. We've got the Piedmont area in West Georgia, all of that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So when you have the America 250, you got some poles out there that I think are somewhat discouraging in that Republicans overwhelmingly feel extremely patriotic. But if you talk about pride In America, in 2001, they asked this question, do you have pride in being American? 87% said yes, 92%. In 2002, 2021, 69%. And now in 2026, 53%. And, and skewing that higher is Republicans who are over 70%. So what's going on?

[Buddy Carter]

You know, I think it's the Democratic Party that has moved left. If you look at what just happened in the, in the primaries in New York, you see that the socialists are taking over there. We're going to have two socialists and in Congress, two more socialists.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You might have one in Colorado.

[Buddy Carter]

May. Yes, that is a good possibility. We'll find that out. But, you know, I think, and that has a big impact on the party itself because it causes the rest of them to have to move further left. They were already left, but now they're moving even further, further left, including the speaker, excuse me, the majority minority leader,

[Brian Kilmeade]

Hakeem Jeffries, who's getting booed in New York events.

[Buddy Carter]

Absolutely.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Schumer's getting heckled in New York events. Those are two New York leaders. What does it tell you about the state of the country or the state of the party?

[Buddy Carter]

Well, it tells me about the state of the party. First, the party is the Democratic Party is moving left. There's no question about that. The state of the country, we've got to be very careful here because we cannot allow this to happen. We cannot allow our country to turn into, into Europe. We don't want that. We want to make sure that we are the land of the free, the land of opportunity. And we, we can do that through Republican values and through conservative values, Mike

[Brian Kilmeade]

Collins end up getting the nomination. You guys in a tough battle to get that going against Jon Ossoff. Do you think this current senator should be forced to disavow the socialist on his left?

[Buddy Carter]

Absolutely he should. And you know, look, there's no reason why Georgia should have two Democratic senators. Senators. We're red state. And to have two Democratic senators representing us is just ridiculous. That's why we got to keep the main thing, the main thing, and that is we've got to get rid of John Ossoff. He does not represent the values of the state of Georgia. He represents the values more of California and New York than he does of Georgia.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So if you talk to Democrats, they not only don't agree with you, they think he's presidential material or vice presidential material. Where's the disconnect?

[Buddy Carter]

Well, the disconnect is that, you know, because of our quality of life, because Georgia is a state where we've been the number one state in which to do business for 12 years. We've had a lot of people move in, and when they move in, a lot of times they bring their politics with them. And a lot of them, especially in the Atlanta metro area, have moved in and brought their politics with them.

[Brian Kilmeade]

When you talk about a leader on the left, it's this guy I didn't know anything about six months ago, Hassan Piker. So he comes out and he's pushing all these Democratic candidates, Harley Edge, educated, he's a first generation immigrant. He's got master's degrees and everything and believes, I think our country is just the wrong country. And he believes the problem with Kamala Harris is not that she was the wrong candidate, that she was maga light. I want you to hear this and tell me if it makes sense to you. Cut 21.

We saw this major defeat with Kamala Harris running to the center, pivoting to the center, and basically presenting a maga lite version to the American public. Broadly lose once again. And Moskowitz is maybe not even a maga Lite, but instead more so just Maga with a D next to his name.

So you have Moskowitz who came out and said this, anti semitic, anti Israel. And I see your Israeli flag with the American flag on your lapel, if you're not watching on YouTube. But there is anti Semitism in every one of these socialism socialist candidates. And he's the worst.

[Buddy Carter]

No question about it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Was she running as Magalite Kamala Harris? What is he even talking about?

[Buddy Carter]

I have no clue. I have no clue what he's talking about whatsoever. But she was nothing Magalite, that's for sure. And you know, Brian, there's a. There's a problem here, a concern, I should say, and that is that the extremes on both parties are really pushing us to an area where we don't want to be. Because even on the right, you know, you can you be called. You're not maga enough. And then on the left, you got, oh, you're too maga. It's just ridiculous.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Because people are allowed to have different ideas revolving about complicated issues.

[Buddy Carter]

Yeah. There's a lot of room in the middle here, and there are complicated issues. Thank you for mentioning that, because that is a very astute observation. We've got a lot of big problems here in America. They're going to be tough to. To resolve.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I'll give you an example. Twenty years ago, there was stem cells. Good people on both sides. Nancy Reagan coming out. Go, we need them. George W. Bush, president, saying, I'm worried about people taking abortive fetuses and doing that just to get stem cells. So it was an intellectual debate. You have the same thing with AI Right now. Oh, some good people don't want data centers in their backyard and think that it's doing stuff to the water, and maybe it's an eyesore. But we can't use our phones. Our storage rates are going up on our phone right now because we don't have enough power, don't have a storage rate. So then I let's move forward. We got the steam engine. You know, we went from the bicycle to the horse to the car. Let's move forward. A lot of people go, wait a second. I'm worried about my job. I'm worried about the I knowing more than me mythos and other things. So this is a smart debate that can't be on a bumper sticker.

[Buddy Carter]

Absolutely. And there's a danger here. We cannot allow China to win this war.

[Brian Kilmeade]

True.

[Buddy Carter]

And it is a war.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Same time.

[Buddy Carter]

We've got to make sure that we are the leader in A.I. you know, I was in Europe recently, and. And one of the things that they're addressing over there and that I think they've gone too far with is. Is the Internet. And they've really put in some regulations that I think is going to stifle innovation. That's not what we need to do there. And we don't need to follow the lead of Europe over there. I was in Portugal speaking to some of them. They're very concerned about what about Spain?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Is Spain basically left, left the West. They certainly have left us not giving access to our bases. And his approval rating, which was in the toilet, is better. The stronger they are against America.

[Buddy Carter]

That's. That is. That just baffles me. I don't understand how that can be. But I am. I am just very disappointed in Spain.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I have to tell you something that's probably not popular with Republicans and that I believe we should do everything possible within without depleting our resources to help Ukraine. What they have done is remarkable. The way they stood up. They have now formed the most formidable army pound for pound in Europe. By far, what they've done in the most horrible conditions, innovating in drone warfare, taking out the Russian navy without a navy. I mean, yeah, we've given them a lot, but let them finish the job.

[Buddy Carter]

Absolutely. And, you know, I can remember when this war first started, I happened to be in Berlin at the time and happened to be over there and was in Brussels when the war started on, I think was February 22nd. But anyway, I remember we had a security briefing here at the Capitol the next week, and they told us, oh, this would be over in a week. Yeah, especially the military leaders, our military leaders. This will be over in a week. Russia will just wipe them out. Well, look where we're at right now.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I was talking to one of the supreme allied commander of NATO and he said, said few days they'll be done. And we think Zelensky will be in Lviv trying to salvage what's left of his country. Next thing you know, thanks to the javelins that President Trump was able to give him the arms.

[Lucas Tomlinson]

He was.

[Brian Kilmeade]

He was able to leave them. They were able to take out their tanks. And it turns out the Russians couldn't really fight in an organized fashion. We lost a number of generals who were able to hold off and put up with a lot of winters. But this has got to end. It has. This has got to end.

[Buddy Carter]

It has. And Russia is really taken a beating through this. I mean, they. They've lost a lot of soldiers and then. And, you know, I mentioned I was over in Europe. I also was in Northern Africa. And they're actually down there. Russia's down there recruiting people to come fight and tricking them into going up there to fight.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. And their average lifespan is a week and a half. Exactly a week. Once they go into battle, they live 10 days. So if I know that, don't you think the Russian people know that?

[Marc Thiessen]

Absolutely.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So, Carson, what are you going to get accomplished this week?

[Buddy Carter]

Well, this week we, you know, we've got the NDAA and that's going to be extremely important. We had the Rules Committee meeting on it yesterday. A lot of amendments, a lot to go through. That is extremely important. We want to make sure that we can get started on the planning. We got all 12 appropriation bills through committee now. So I'm very pleased that it is amazing and that's that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you know, that's what the Senate should do. Then you should conference and then you can might have a budget in September that you agreed on regular order. Right. And although they want to shut down government right before the election.

[Buddy Carter]

Absolutely.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Congressman, thanks so much. Appreciate you being here especially representing Georgia. And we'll see what happens. Because the last thing I want to ask you is the president says I'm indifferent about signing the housing bill. If he's watching right now or listening, would you want him to sign the bipartisan housing bill?

[Buddy Carter]

I respect the president enormously and I get what he's saying with the Save America Act. I think that's going to be the determining factor in the midterm election. So he is absolutely right. We got to get it passed. This is a good bill. The Housing act is. And I think he realizes that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I hope so. Thanks so much, Congressman.

[Buddy Carter]

Thank you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Bipartisan. We should do something bipartisan.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Absolutely.

[Lucas Tomlinson]

All right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Hey, when we come back, Congressman Mike Lower in a real tough fight to keep his seat. It always is. That's just the nature of that New York district. More from Mike in just a moment. You listen to Brian Kilmeade.

Chow diving deep into today's top story, it's Brian Kilmeade. Breaking news, unique opinions, hear it all on the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Leadership right now is of course, Congressman Hakeem Jeffries.

[Brian Kilmeade]

If you're elected to Congress, would you

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

support selecting him as the next House speaker if the Democrats do reclaim the House, I won't be supporting anybody for leadership that takes corporate PAC money. I look forward to getting into Congress and making that case for for other Congress members so that they can see that they can run grassroots campaigns that can raise over a million dollars that can get 6,500 plus volunteers knocking on over 100,000 doors, which we just reached today and making over 500,000 phone calls to Denverites all across. That's what a real people powered grassroots operation looks like. That's how you earn back the trust of voters in our party that we have lost over the last few elections. And that is how we're going to meaningfully deliver for working families because we won't be beholden to the interests of the corporations that have spent too much time donating to the campaigns of this party.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I know, I know, I feel nauseated too. But I wanted you to hear this. That's Mila Quiros, who many people think he's going to win a congressional seat that go to the Democratic nomination over in Colorado, just like we saw in New York. She's an avowed socialist, anti Israel, anti Semitic candidate who will not vote for Akeem Jeffries if she gets in and hopes people follow her on a show nobody sees, hosted by Laura Coates. Joining us now is Congressman Mike Lowers in a tough fight like Brian Fitzpatrick for his team Pennsylvania, just the makeup of his district. Congressman, welcome back. I just wanted people at home to hear. It's not just a blue bubble in New York, is it?

[Mila Quiros]

No, this is happening all across the country in competitive races in, I don't think I'm getting swing states. And certainly in, you know, the Democratic Party, you see this shift towards socialism and you see it in, you know, New York City obviously where three radical socialists won safe seats. And so they are driving the message, they are driving the policy agenda of the Democratic Party. And it's clear Zoran Mamdani, AOC and Bernie Sanders are now the face of the Democratic Party. Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer are basically neutered at this point.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I don't know who Barbara degett is. Diana degette is, I'm not, you know, I don't know much about her, but she's a liberal and she has been there since 1997, the state's longest serving member of Congress. But she is being challenged by that, by Milad Kiros who has got a record of loving socialism and hate hating Israel. And people say that she's got a good shot, but it doesn't end there. John Hickenlooper, the two term governor over in Colorado, he is being challenged now on the left by a socialist, Julie Gonzalez. I thought she has no shot. People are telling me that she's got a real shot. So this is Colorado. I know it's blue.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Ish.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's not solid blue. It's not like you walk into the middle of Manhattan, no question.

[Mila Quiros]

And you know, their congressional delegation is split for four. So there are obviously red pockets. But you see, you know, this shift within the base of the Democratic Party and sadly, you know, it's not just Jew hatred, it's not Just anti Israel that is driving this. It is anti American. It is rooted in, you know, us versus them, oppressor versus oppressed, Marxist radical theory and ideology in which they hate the values issues that are at the foundation of this country. They hate capitalism, clearly. And this is something where fundamentally you see a shift within the Democratic Party and its leaders have no ability to stop it. They have, they have fomented this for a very long time. They have allowed this to fester and they have done nothing to beat it back. And now they're seeing the consequences of that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So the Supreme Court has just ruled that they. It is okay for states to ban trans men and women's sports. Now, legal experts have told me expect that decision, but I find that to be a relief. But yet states can still decide to let this 6, 1, 180 pound women who feels like a woman to beat up on your kid on the soccer field in a blue state. Am I correct?

[Mila Quiros]

Yeah. So what the Supreme Court held is that, you know, number one, this is a decision left to the states. Number two, states have the right to prohibit, under Title 9 and the 14th Amendment, they have the right to prohibit biological boys and men from playing in girls and women's sports. And as the father of two young daughters, I fundamentally believe that is the right decision. Biological boys and men should not be taking away opportunities from girls and women. And we just had a situation in my district where a shot putter finished second to a biological boy in the state championships. She lost first place. And you know what that does? It takes away potential scholarship opportunities that she would have had for college. And I think most Americans find that to be fundamentally unfair. It is not to target someone for who they are, but to recognize that girls and women should not be displaced by biological boys when it comes to sports, period. Full stop. And I think that's where most Americans stand. And it was the right decision by way the. The Supreme Court.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you have an opponent now, Kate Connolly. It's not Jamal Bowman who loves to pull fire alarms and be a firebrand. How do you defeat Kate Connally, who's a veteran?

[Mila Quiros]

Well, look, she and I thank her for her service, but the fact is that she fundamentally agrees with the crazy radical Democrats on a myriad of issues, including open borders, including abolishing ice, including, including raising taxes. She's opposed to the working families tax cut that produced the largest tax cut in American history. She was against no tax on tips, no tax on overtime, no tax on Social Security. She's against raising the salt cap from 10,000 to 40,000. She would have saddled New Yorkers with the largest tax increase in American history. So, you know, she can say she's not a socialist, but the fact is, is she agrees with them on the policy positions that they're advocating for.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I know and I say it all the time. Congressman, you're there to work. You always make an impact on big decisions. You're always extremely helpful to the show. Best of luck the rest of the way. I can't imagine Congress without you.

The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Again, it is my time.

[Buddy Carter]

3, 900 children were separated from their family.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

450000 kids were lost.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Mr. Secretary. Mr. Secretary, do not interrupt.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Once you point your finger at me, I will point my finger. Don't you be a hypocrite then. Then you should be as upset about the 450000 kids that were lost. I texted. He didn't say a word about it. For four years you never said a word. Mr. Secretary, could you put him in his place for your place?

[Brian Kilmeade]

And that was some of the brawling that went on with Secretary of Homeland Mark Wayne Mullen as the former senator went down there just to explain how things were going and how they're working to get the missing children and those film phony sponsors that showed up during the previous four years and took kids that we no longer can find. And Congressman Rosa DeLauro, I think want to just score political points. So with me right now is the former senator and Secretary of Homeland Security Mark Wayne Moen. Your thoughts about some of those exchanges that you were forced to endure and trying to explain what's happening with immigration.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Unfortunately, the Democrats, they want to ignore the four years of the Biden administration. And the thing that gets, I think most people's blood boiling, especially mine as a father of six, is when you start talking about these kids. You said the phony sponsors some of these sponsors were picking had picked up 18 to 20 kids. When we go to find them on the addresses that supposedly had, they're not there. We've, we've say we HSI and DHS working as a coal as together has located 147,000 of these kids. 147,000. Now if you start thinking about that on those, where's the other 300,000? And the Democrats, they don't want to say word about this, Not a single word. And it's frustrating because we have the most horrific cases that you can imagine, Brian. We have some young ladies that we rescued out of a hotel that is sitting there saying that they were raped 6 to 700 times. When I say young ladies, they're 16 years of age. And some of them have been in this, in this sex trade and slavery, if you want to call it trafficking, for two years. They were, they were stuck in a room having to force to be with men, raping them 15 to 20 times a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year. And the Democrats, they want to just go over it and they want to talk about that. The president and this administration is being extremely strong on vetting the individuals when they come to the, come to our border. We're no longer letting sponsors come in and take these kids unless we know who they are.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And would you also when it comes to the border, I've been there a few times, obviously not as much as you. And one thing, if you come up and say I'm leaving under duress or I fear for my life in my country, they got to stay. But if you ask the right questions, you say, well, could you have gone to another part of your country? And you're supposed to go into the first country you step into, you don't end up in the United States. So they would get expelled.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But now the previous ministry said, stay here until we get to your case. They would stay in. The backlog was 10, 15 years.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

What have you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What's, what's different now?

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Well, first of all, we have a, we have an agreement with Canada and Mexico called the first country. So Canada and Mexico are considered safe countries. So they can't claim technically asylum coming in from Mexico and coming in from Canada unless they're claiming it against Canada and Mexico. So asylum cases are very difficult if you process it by the law, which Congress passed. But what we're doing on these asylum cases is we're clearing the books, what we call clearing the books. We're working together closely with the White House. And to be, to be quite frank, Stephen Miller has done a phenomenal job understanding this system very well. That the, that the Democrats just over.

[Mila Quiros]

Over.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

I wouldn't say overused. They abused. And so when we got a team stood up that we check those individuals that claimed asylum, are they where they said they're supposed to be because they're on parole? Technically, if you claim asylum, you're paroled. And so if you don't inform us that you have moved or informed us that your phone number has changed or your status has changed, then you are in violation of parole. So we're going through all those asylum cases and checking them, overwhelmingly, no surprising, they're not there. Their phone number doesn't work, Their addresses aren't there. And so then we immediately put them underneath an arrest warrant because they violated their pro. And we start hunting them down. So we're. And we did a strong enforcement of that this weekend, and we set records that ICE was arresting individuals all across the country. We arrested 3,500 people a day average, Saturday and Sunday. And a big chunk of those were either TPS violators or asylum violators that had. That had violated their parole.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So when you have the elimination of temporary protective status, the word temporary is there for a reason. It was a crisis in Syria and a crisis in Haiti, and now you're getting pushback, that you're cruel and saying these part. You had the Republican governor of Ohio over the weekend saying that, you know what? These Haitians are now part of our community. They are giving us health care and daycare. They're teaching our kids, watching our kids. Let them stay.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

The problem is, is it's temporary. I don't enforce laws. I. Or I don't make the laws. I enforce the laws. Right. Temporary status was temporary status. The court's already ruled on this Supreme Court. Some of these. Some of these cases have been here for 15, 20 years. I understand that. But during that 15 and 20 years, you had an opportunity to change your status. You chose not to because you understood it being temporary, too. Now that the court is ruled, it's too late. You got to go home. You can go back, and there's two options here. You can go back on your own, meaning that you can choose to be deported. We will give you a $2,600 check. We'll pay for your airline ticket. You can go back to the country you came from or country you choose, and then you can fill out the proper immigration paperwork and try to come back in this country legally. If we have to go find you and we deport you, you don't have the option to come back to this country.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So if they were good people while they were here and do things the right way, since that decision came down, will they have a better opportunity to come back?

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

They would have a better opportunity to come back. I can't guarantee. You still got to follow our immigration system, because those are what the laws are for. But it's too late now. Now that you. Because you did do that. You can't do it. You can't. You need to be proactive, not reactive. So you can't be reactive and fill in that paperwork out now. It's too late. You have to go back now.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Mr. Secretary, this just broke. So it's. I'll read it together and we'll digest it. The Supreme Court has ruled against President Trump's hope to eliminate birthright citizenship restrictions. It was a 5, 4 decision, and if I they said it violated the 14th amendment, guaranteeing automatic American citizens citizenship for anyone born in the United States. An issue the executive order the president signed on the first day back in office to redefine it. And we know the case. Trump first, Barbara, a pseudonym for the Honduran citizen who fears or her family safety if she was expelled. So the birth tourism that the Chinese possibly are greatest abuser of that so far, it stays in play. And we kind of got an indication on a 5, 4 decision when John Roberts said, yet things have changed, but the Constitution hasn't. So your reaction because this directly affects you.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Yeah, I'm not going to get ahead of the president here, but I will say I adamantly disagree with the spirit of the 14th Amendment on what the Supreme Court ruled here. I'm not an attorney, definitely not a judge, but I disagree with the court's decision here. In my opinion, if you look at the historical reason the 14th Amendment was put in place, the way that it's being abused today wasn't the intention of the 14th Amendment. But like I said, I'm not going to get ahead of the president on this, but I adamantly disagree with the Supreme Court.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, I mean, the strongest argument you guys had, and I think birthright citizenship has been abused, it's been abolished in almost every Western country. So it's not Donald Trump. It's keeping up to what's going on and trying to respond to what some of our adversaries are doing, and that is having kids here that become citizens and be part of the social spending.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Here's what ends up happening in a lot of these cases. You have these adversary countries that come in, they have a child, they raise a child back in China or whatever, and since they're a citizen, they come back over here where they've been indoctrinated. I'm sorry, if you're raised in a communist country, there's a good chance and you're able to travel back and forth, there's a good chance you've been indoctrinated. I'm not saying completely. Some people break away from it because they don't believe it. But there's a reason why we have adversaries abusing this system.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So the 5, 4 decision, it doesn't say here who voted for whom. But I will say this just to further what you were saying about the 14th Amendment. After the Civil War, there were people in the south that says, I don't think slaves should be citizens. And the president at the time says, okay, we're going to pass an amendment that says if you're born here, you become a citizen. I'm pretty sure that's not the circumstances now.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

That's right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I don't know if legislation can do it, but I don't think it's in Democrats interest to have birthright citizenship leadership either. I've seen Democrats point to China as our number one adversary look at, to infiltrate every element of society. And we know China, China is the, the number one abuser of this law. Do you think you can get any bipartisan support to do something through legislation?

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

I think if you looked at this from a strict national security issue, yes, I believe you could. But the promise is the Democrats, they don't believe in that right now. Remember, this is the same Democrat Party that defunded ice, our Immigration Custom Applied Enforcement Agency. They, this is the same Democrat Party that just elected true communists in New York, including the mayor and three other individuals. Well, haven't elected them, but push them through to the general election. This is the same Democrat Party that, that wanted to, or try to defund our custom and border protection, meaning they want open borders. So this is the same party that defunds police. So I can't. They don't look at it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You're not optimistic?

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

No. And I'll just tell you this. Underneath the Biden administration to date, of who they let come into the United States because they had open borders for four years under the Biden administration. Correct. I mean, we let millions, upwards of 20 million people come in underneath the Trump administration. We've arrested over 1900 known terrorists, not individuals that are on terrorist watch list. These are known terrorists that the Biden administration let come into this country. And because of Trump's, Trump's policies on enforcing our laws and going after the worst of the worst, we're able to round up 1900. That's all we know of right now. We're still finding these people every single day.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Explain to me what the Democrat Party was thinking then. So if you want to look at it from national security, yes, it should be a bipartisan issue, but unfortunately, we don't have a Democrat Party that thinks that way today.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, Mr. Secretary, if you could stick around a couple of minutes I know you got to run back to the White House too. This much more going on. But again, birthright citizenship been struck down. Looks like Roberts voted with the liberal justices to weigh that decision in a different direction. And I guess, was it Amy Coney Comey Barrett that also did that? Alison? It was Barrett, too. So those two came back against it. One, George W. Bush put in power, nominated and confirmed, and the other one, John Robertson, of course, Amy Coney Barrett by the president, United States. All right, the Homeland Security second secretary is here. Back in a moment. You listen to Brian Kilmeade show as we celebrate year 250 in our nation's capital.

Don't move politics, current events and news that affects you. Brian's got a lot more to say. Stay with Brian Kilmeade, The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

All right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Homeland Security Secretary Markway Mullen is here for a few more minutes and he's got to rush back to the White House. Mr. Secretary, first off, we just had another ruling come down that basically allows more coordination between this it's considered a Republican win. I'm not sure you're allowed to respond to. If you were senator, you could. But just for everyone at home to understand, it allows more coordination between the candidate and their super PACs and their party. It's thought to be a Republican win because they're the one who challenged it. But I just saw just in talking with you, Democrats seem to have more multibillionaires than the Republicans. Like the Republicans are the party of the working class.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

You think about George Euros. He's already pumped in $105 million in this cycle. $105 million. It's scary the amount of money that a guy can influence politics with. And of course, Democrats are always saying that they don't, they don't get bought. But you can tell their politics have swung ever since his team got involved in this because they have done no telling how many millions if not billions of dollars in campaigns, not just in the US but around the world. And he pushes this socialist and at this point I would almost say Communist Party that is coming to bear with the Democrats at this point. But you look at the Supreme Court rulings, the president's had unbelievable wins in this. I mean, we've had some great wins with when it comes to immigration, birthright citizenship is tough. I disagree with the court on this. But you start looking at this Republican win here, you start looking at men and women's sports game Down. Yeah, this, this is, this is some great wins for the President reinstoring just sanity, common sense to what our political fights have been over.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So yesterday, three Ms. Members, three Ms. 13 members who have committed nine murders over a year in Nevada and California. California, including kidnapping, killing and torturing people were, were deported. Two from El Salvador, one from Honduras. This is as bad as it gets. What could you tell me about this?

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Well, 70%, I can't talk about those specific cases. The reason being is because some of them stop pending charges and they're going to be charged in El Salvador, the country to which they go back to.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Is that guaranteed before you send them

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

back in most of these cases, otherwise we would hold them accountable for them. But some of these have international arrest warrants on them and an Interpol. So when we arrest them, we send them back. But they're ongoing cases. We're told not to, not to visit about them. But let me just explain to your listeners. 70% of every person that we arrest and deport on a daily basis have felony charges either pending or have already been charged at the time of the arrest. And we, when we deport them out of the United States. So all this talk saying we're rounding up, you know, these people that's been here for 20, 30 years and all they're wanting to do is work. Yes, some of them get caught up in that, but 70% of them are true criminals. So when the President says, and when I say we're going after the worst of the worst, that's exactly what we're doing. And even the court upheld. When you have lpr, which is a green card, legal, permanent, residential, if you commit a felony, you no longer have status in this country. We're able to deport that. Thank goodness the Supreme Court upheld that. We knew that to be true. But when you violate American law and you're not a citizen here, you have no right to stay here anymore.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So ABC came out with a poll, came out in the study and they said only 3% of the people in custody right now have committed a crime.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Not true. 70% of the daily individuals that we arrest have, have either now they have pending felonies or they've already been convicted now. So what ABC is probably saying is, listen, they haven't technically been been charged with anything. No, they have been charged. They haven't went to court on it. But that's, that doesn't go into account the individuals that didn't commit a crime. Maybe in the United States, but they're on. They're on the international list for Interpol to pick up and deport.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But we had the shaft for a

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

couple of months, 100 days, I think today.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Okay, what's been the biggest surprise and when you started looking at the portfolio and what you'd be doing, what didn't you would you know the most, would you know the least?

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

So my biggest surprise is the people that work inside dhs. We hear about the bureaucracy and the government employees and, you know, lifelong employees. I'm telling you, inside DHS, all 22 components, we have nothing but patriots. We all believe in the passion of protecting the true homeland. I mean protecting it, loving it. Everybody is all in the same boat, rolling the same direction. That was my biggest surprise, that I thought I am the luckiest man in

[Brian Kilmeade]

the world, you'd have to cut the place.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

I thought we did, but we don't because I have great people working there. Second of all, the amount of backlog that needed to be done that these people just needed a green light to go do and, and that's why you're seeing our arrest numbers, break records, deportation. We're going to deport more people by probably the middle of August. And we deported all of last year and those numbers are just continuing climbing. We see our legal constantly working with DOJ to have these great wins at the Supreme Court. All this stuff is, is us working together as one team. And sometimes it just took us getting on the same piece of paper and understanding what we're all doing.

[Brian Kilmeade]

If he was to ask you, the President states this new Homeland Security, it's relatively new, a couple of decades old. If any part could be spun out, would you recommend any part of Homeland because it's such a behemoth?

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Yeah, absolutely. There are some areas that we could probably give to other agencies because dhs, there isn't one single secretary or director that sits on the President's cabinet that I don't work with. Every one of our components interact with every one of these different agencies. And so there's some of them that, that we could probably fold into one of the agencies. The problem is they don't always have the same authority that DHS has. The reason why we have them is because Congress gave us really broad authorities when it comes to protecting the homeland and be able to have that cross references with all the other agencies.

[Brian Kilmeade]

How do you sleep at night? Because there's so much to do.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Well, that isn't the problem. I work with a president that doesn't sleep. So he's making Secretary Rubio and secretary. Hegseth and I joke all the time that we'll sleep with in two years and five months.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

Right.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Because he pushes so hard. He drives us so hard, which is wonderful to have somebody that, that has a vision. He puts the right people in place. He allows you to go to work,

[Lucas Tomlinson]

but he expects excellence.

[Brian Kilmeade]

20 seconds. You have a new nominee for ice, Lance. Right, thoughts?

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Unbelievable guy. First of all, he'll be the first one that gets confirmed in, in, in over 10 years, actually 11 years. And he is the right person for the draft.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And I know Oklahoma Homer, you can get us know I'm a secretary. Thanks so much. Congratulations on the job and everything.

From high atop FOX News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division, it's Brian Kilmeade.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

All right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah.

From Washington, D.C. the side of the state fair celebrating America's 250th birthday. You hear some of the announcements in the background. Don't to want to throw you wearing a beautiful couch, the one you watched on Fox and Friends streaming live on FOX Nation. Hopefully you're getting the screen on top of your FOX Nation, your FOX News app or your FOX One app, which is flat out unbelievable, especially if you're watching the World Cup. Joining us this hour, Dr. Mehmet Oz, you know what he's doing for Medicare Medicaid services administrator. And Sonny Joy Nelson, fresh off a stint in the White House as former special assistant to the president and White House director of media affairs. And before we get to Sonny, let's get to the big three.

[Buddy Carter]

Number three.

[Brian Kilmeade]

A few have been in this position for Paraguay, but he scores. Paraguay, they've done it. Paraguay have won it. And they booted Germany out of the World Cup. It doesn't happen often, but the knockout round is already knocked out out some favorites. They all of a sudden Germany goes down. You just saw that the Paraguay who by the way, the US Handled with no problem the Netherlands sent packing as Brazil survives. Congrats to Morocco and Paraguay on that really upset story. This has been a fantastic tournament and America has looked fantastic to the world once again. Number two, the last few days have

[Marc Thiessen]

made the memorandum of understanding seem kind of, kind of a joke because it calls for the immediate and permanent termination of military operations. Both sides agreed to that. They signed it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And then they've been shooting back and forth.

Yup.

Byron York weighing in. Iran and us could not be further apart on key issues as they meet in Doha or Dewey, because the Iranians came out and said we're going to be in Doha. We don't want to meet the straight Hezbollah. Frozen funds are all points of contention and they both all don't agree on that.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Number one, I'm not going to get ahead of the president here, but I will say I adamantly disagree with the spirit of the 14th Amendment on what the Supreme Court ruled here. I, I'm not an attorney, definitely not a judge, but I disagree with the court's decision here.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That is Secretary of Homeland Security Mark Wayne Moen 20 minutes ago when it came down. The Supreme Court has ruled birthright citizenship will stay in, meaning if you're born here, you become a citizen here. Put in play when slaves were being pushed back against among democrats in the eight in the 19th century. Now we have birth tourism, but it looks like that's going to stand as the Chinese are the worst abusers. That is something the president can't be surprised on but must be disappointed on. Sonny, Joe, Sunny Joy Nelson joins us now. Sunny, first time I talked to on the outside.

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's only been what, a month, right.

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Out of month, 30 days.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you know, the president, out of all the Supreme Court decisions, this would be the toughest.

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Your thoughts about how you think he feels?

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Well, you know, the president has expressed skepticism leading up to this. We knew that he, he knew that this was going to be a tough fight. So I think he's overall probably not that surprised that this is how the court ruled. We of course, think that it is detrimental, that it obviously is not what the drafters of the 14th Amendment intended when they wrote this amendment to give citizenship to the children of freed slaves.

[Marc Thiessen]

Right.

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

A wonderful thing not intended for birth tourism, not intended for women to come here, you know, for a short stint just so that they could give birth and their children be here legally. We ultimately think that this is a very bad decision. And what comes next could be, you know, maybe a constitutional amendment or perhaps Congress could pass some laws to tighten our citizenship test and citizenship requirements. But ultimately we think that this was a mistake.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. And you have this in play. But most Western countries have gotten rid of it because it was being abused like that and because other people are waiting in line to become citizens and some are abusing the system. The thing the president's got to be happy about is the Supreme Court has ruled 6, 3 decision that men, trans men playing in women's sports. The state wants to ban it. They could ban it. And that is way over do huge.

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

I mean, we saw the president as soon as we got into office in January. This is one of the first things that the president did, I remember it being one of the first big events that we had at the White House where we invited all of these young women who had been affected by men competing in their sports to come and talk about what that was like, how hard it is and how unfair and unjust it is to be competing against a biological man, someone that has biological advantage over you. You know, I was an athlete in college. I was a cheerleader. We were a co ed team. So doesn't exactly apply. But this is a huge win for girls. This is a huge win for college athletes, for young girls. You know, I'm a mom now. I'm a mom of two boys, so it doesn't exactly apply, but it's huge. And I think the implications of this are going to really translate into the midterms because we see this as something that it's not really just an 8020 issue. It's more of, I would say, 95, 5 issue.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. So he doesn't get that. But the president does say there's a Supreme Court's issue. It also came down the Republicans challenge that wants to allow more coordination between the super PACs, the party and candidates, and I guess the party with more supporters or Elon Musk, as opposed to George Soros, whoever has that will be able to accrue more money for the midterms.

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Yeah, well, I think this is a good thing, although ultimately that candidates will be able to spend more, get their message out more. I'm not, I have to admit, I'm not overwhelmingly familiar with this.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's a complicated decision. Yeah, you can go either way. But it looks as a Republican's victory would caught me by. The biggest surprise is what's going on in the Democrats being primaring a sitting, sitting Democratic serving congressmen and women and with their socialist beliefs funded fully by the DF and for people like George Soros. How do you explain this? Did you see this coming after you rejoined the White house again in 2024?

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

You know, so I was on the campaign in 2024 as well, handling media affairs. And we saw Kamala Harris kind of take this approach a little bit where she was running very far to the left and she was embracing some of these socialist ideologies. And we see how well that played for her in the swing states. These ideologies. Exactly. These ideologies are overwhelmingly rejected by the American people. We saw what happened in New York last week with their primaries with these Democratic socialist candidates sweeping the map and winning their primaries. It'll be Interesting to see what happens in Colorado tonight to see who's able to win there. But I think that ultimately these policies, they might play in big cities for some, some of the voters there, but they will not play in middle America. They won't play outside of city limits. I mean, honestly.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So Hasan Piker, he seems to be the thought leader amongst the extremists. Listen to how he described Kamala Harris. Cut 21.

We saw this major defeat with Kamala Harris running to the center, pivoting to the center and basically presenting a maga light version to the American public. Broadly lose once again. And Moskowitz is maybe not even a maga lite, but instead more so just maga with a D next to his name.

And what he's talking about is Jared Moskowitz is standing up for Israel and he's not anti Semitic, happens to be Jewish, even though some Jews are seemingly against Israel these days. How do you explain that Hassan Piker and other Democrats think that Kamala Harris ran two much to the center?

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

It's a shocking statement to hear, to say the least, because what we experienced on the Trump campaign was certainly not her running to the center. She was embracing these crazy ideologies that the left is pushing. And I question all the time, how are the democratic socialists gaining such momentum? How are they getting so much support? It makes no sense. And I think ultimately with America to 50 happening right now, it's a great time to, to bring it up because the education system has failed our children honestly, with a lack of teaching, history teaching, where we came from, why our democracy and our representative republic is the way that it is, and why we reject socialism. Let's, let's teach our children about the history of socialism and how it has not worked. There are no instances in which it has worked. And while it's easy to blame the education system and say, oh, our teachers are doing a bad job, the overwhelming system is doing a bad job. There's a level of personal responsibility there for parents. I'm a mom. I'm not going to let the education system just take over and my child about the history of our great country. So I think parents have to step up. They have to find a love of country and instill this, the civic duties into our children.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I think, I think you're right. The other thing, what I find interesting is if you look at Mondami and you look at Paikistan speaker, they're highly educated, they got multiple degrees. So they worked their way through the system and both are first generation Immigrants coming from another country. But instead of being grateful like we see with a lot of Eastern European citizens, they seem to have the opposite take.

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Yeah, I wish I could explain that because I'm not sure why that for

[Brian Kilmeade]

Republicans as much as it could be disturbing. Does it help, does it help to run against that?

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Well, I think so. And I think we're going to see in the midterm that these policies don't play with everyday Americans. Everyday Americans are not interested in a government run grocery store, a government run free buses, these things that sound great. And that's, that's the problem with the democratic socialism, the policies that they're running. Sure they sound great, but there are no instances in the history of our world and where these policies have worked and have been successful.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What's kind of interesting is John Fetterman has been a voice of reason and so is Bill Maher. I want you to hear. He said that after those, those elections where Dara Lisa Villa Chevrolet is an extremist that not only wants to defund ICE, we're expecting that. How about defund prisons? Cut 29.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

One candidate.

[Brian Kilmeade]

She will be a congressperson from New York's 13th district who the New York Times asked her if someone murders someone randomly, should they go to jail. Couldn't get her to say yes for that. She says no more police ever.

[Brian Fitzpatrick]

At all.

[Mark Wayne Mullen]

Ever.

[Brian Kilmeade]

She says our veterans are war criminals. She said fuck Kamala Harris and Joe Biden is a rapist. So there is a woke mind virus. And I think we found patient zero. So that's it where he says I'm voting left, you know, I'm voting Democrat. But then when he sat down with JD Vance, he said if they nominate someone like her, my votes in play. Yeah, you talk to Democrats to might feel the same way that almost are disillusioned by what they're saying.

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Yes. I mean and that's what I am saying. What the Democrats, the everyday Democrats, Democrats that you know, might be old Southern Democrats or you know, out on a farm somewhere or live outside of these big Joe Manchin. Right. They don't agree with this. And exactly what Bill Maher said there, a woke mind virus. That's exactly what it is. And it has infiltrated the left. But for some reason these leaders in the and the Democratic Party allow it to, and they allow it to keep gaining momentum and they're catering to this far left side of their party. I don't know why. Maybe it's for a campaign fundraising. Maybe it's for clicks online. But I think that they're going to really be hit with a rude awakening this, this November for midterms. Which is sad because as you know, the party that's in power historically has a difficult climb when it comes to midterms. Midterms. Historically, it's difficult for the party in power to remain in power when it comes to midterms. But I think if they keep embracing these far left policies, they're going to be hit with a wake up call.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Sonny, Joe Nelson here. Last question. Sonny, about the inner workings of the White House that you could explain. You know, people move on after a couple of years. You just moved on. A lot of it's so intense. People have other opportunities. They don't do things with their family. James Blair has moved on to kind of work the midterms.

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Who's replaced him? How is everything functioning?

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Well, I will say that the, the White House is operating at record speed, as it always has. Yes. People move on. James Blair has done a wonderful job. The president's been extremely happy with him and he's happy with him on the campaign, which is why I believe he is now taking the lead for the midterm cycle. I'm not sure that his replacement has been named, so I don't want to get ahead of anyone there. But ultimately, we know the president picks wonderful staff this term. We have a great set of people inside the White House that are making America first decisions that are fully supporting the president and behind him and his agenda. So whoever they choose to replace him is obviously going to be a good pick.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. And Caroline coming back after just a

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

few weeks, I know she is superwoman. I watched her on Fox and Friends yesterday and I texted her and told her how wonderful she looked and had such a great job she is doing. She is an inspiration for myself, for so many other women across the country that are balancing the mom working life. It's very difficult, it's hard to do. And she does it with such grace and she, she's such a trooper.

[Brian Kilmeade]

How did you handle it?

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

The grace of God. Truly, truly the grace of God.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You were working 18 hours.

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

That's right. And I had a two year old at home and I had such a wonderful group of people around me. It's such wonderful co workers that helped. I brought my son to the White House on his second birthday because I didn't have child care. So he spent his second birthday in my office and it was wonderful.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But now you're free to go and comment about what's going on. And outside as we Head to the midterm elections and we'll have to see Sonny. Joe, great to see you.

[Sonny Joy Nelson]

Thank you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So, Joe Nelson, former special assistant to the President, White House director of Media affairs. And we'll look forward to talking to you again because the issues aren't going away either is socialism, sadly. All right, using the brain. Kill me, Joe. As you hear the announcements in the background, we're at the State Fair celebrating America to 50. Don't move.

Big guests, bold opinions, better information. This is the Brian Kilmeade Show. He's so busy he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Kilmeade.

You got your headquarters here in New York City. You nervous? I don't know what I think. I think nervous, scared, shocked. Listen, I'll say this about Mandam. He has pretty much said what he wanted to do. Like if you listen to what he said before he's elected, I want to get as many socialists communists elected and then take over. And that's what he's doing. It doesn't matter whether you're a Nazi. It doesn't matter whether you hate ugly colonizing women. It doesn't matter if you founded a group at Columbia with the express point of overthrowing Western society, you get elected. So I think scary is a fair word right now. Sometimes I like to live in my head like, oh, oh, the politics won't hit the everyday street. But it's crazy what's going on right now. And I don't know how you can't be scared. So I tell you, Dave Portnoy says he might even consider running. So he is of course Barstool founder. He likes to keep it above somewhat bipartisan. To me, he seems to lean right because he's for free enterprise, he's for entrepreneurship, he's for taking risks. He's for not being taxed out of a different city and state. I think that's why he's like other people. He knows how hard it is to earn that money, how many risks he took, how much doubters that he had in launching Barstool. Then he's got to be extremely sophisticated in growing the product. And now it's a part of the Fox family and he is part of it too. So it is crazy because we are here celebrating 250 years of America. If you think about it, they came to have some say in their life. They wanted some say in their religion. They wanted some say in their occupation. They wanted to have the ability to own land and to make their own decisions, whether it be a Shopkeeper, a merchant, a blacksmith, a farmer, own their own land, Russell cattle. They didn't have that opportunity in other, other nations. They came here for that or they were iced out. And now you have a growing, hopefully minority and stays that way of people on the Democratic side that's becoming a majority that believes, well, the rich have had it too good for too long. It's time to tax them. And in New York, they're taxing people if they don't live, call this a primary residence. So they're increasing their taxes to raise another $500 million. Why are you doing that? You should encourage people to buy second residences, especially if they're wealthy here. But now, if you don't live here full time, really. So you don't live here full time, so you want to charge them in order to what, sell to somebody who can't afford it? It's absolutely insane. So it's the exact opposite of what the founding fathers had in mind. And I think that's what bothers him most. But some of the things that they're saying. I thought Robert F. Kennedy Jr. A name synonymous with the Democratic Party, had this to say about his dad and his uncle. Cut 27, your father, your uncle fought communism hard. How much of a danger do you think this new breed of communism is here in America?

[Marc Thiessen]

I'm very concerned. I don't think my father, my uncle had recognized the Democrats Democratic Party today and you know, all the, the overt anti Semitism that you see in that party.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And that's what it is.

[Marc Thiessen]

Israel is not fighting the Palestinian people. It's fighting a toxic ideology called Islamism, which is a perversion of, of the Islam faith.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And its core belief is genocide of the Jews. Not just the Jews in Israel, Jews all over the world. So that is his opinion. Remember, he tried to run against Joe Biden, just like Ted Kennedy ran against Jimmy Carter. He had a legitimate shot. Jimmy Carter beat him. Ted Kennedy had a terrible 60 Minutes interview. When asked the question, why do you want to be president? He had no answer. And I don't think he ever recovered from that. Jimmy Carter really didn't recover. And Gerald Ford, excuse me, and Ronald Reagan trounced him, destroyed him. He never had a second term. So, yeah, maybe Democrats want to avoid that because when you get challenged, a lot of times it weakens the candidate. A lot of people think that Gerald Ford lost because Ronald Reagan challenged the sitting president in 1976, lost Jimmy Carter. But it used to be an honest, fair decision. But that all changed when they let Bernie Sanders in the party and he started winning and they said we got to change, change the rules to get him out. Well, you temporarily put him out. Now he's taken over and it's not good. Dr. Oz is next. You listen to Brian Kilmeade Show.

Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kilmeade Show.

It's over. Was great to have Dr. Mehmet Oz on even before he got this great job as administrator of Medicare and Medicaid. Now we're in Washington D.C. and who better to call than the doctors in the house. Doctors have seen all over television, which is surprising. I didn't think was going to be about fraud. I thought was going to be about the Maha movement and things to that and talk about different nuances to make Medicare and Medicaid solvent. When did you realize that fraud was an issue that needed to be tackled?

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

I was told something very early on I just got and confirmed by the Senate and someone said, you do realize that almost half the people on the Obamacare exchanges never file a complaint. A complaint. They never file any claim against their insurance. Nothing. I said that's impossible. People who buy insurance, they spend a lot of money to buy it. They will use it, right? They're going to use it for prescription or a doctor's appointment, hospital bill, something. How's it possible that 40% of people on the Obamacare exchanges never sent a bill into anybody to get reimbursed? That raises the possibility they don't really know they have the insurance that or their manufactured names and people, they don't really exist. And so we began to dive into this and it took a while, but I began to realize that there's millions and millions of people that brokers, middlemen because they get paid extra money for signing Americans up. They get the money whether you're real or not. And they actually were putting people on multiple insurance companies at once. You'd have state Medicaid, but you'd also have the Obamacare. You'd be in Obamacare in multiple states. You'd have private insurance and Obamacare, but you don't know it because you're not paying for it. The American people are paying for it. So you're paying a full bill. A full insurance bill is $10,000 a person per year even though the person didn't know they have it. And last week we announced this. We just discovered a million people more on Obamacare with no Social Security numbers. Now to remind you, I have to know how much money you made to give You Obamacare. If you don't have a Social Security number, then I can't do that. Literally. These are manufactured people. They're ghosts, phantoms. They don't exist.

[Brian Kilmeade]

As opposed to illegal immigrants without Social

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Security numbers, that could also be part of them. But again, the brokers and agents who are the middlemen, they don't care. Now, there are good agents out there, but they're complaining, too, because these bad guys are making a fortune off the back of the American people. And why no one wanted to police. This is clear. The Obama administration measured success by the number of people on the policy. Now, remember, Obamacare used to have 9 million people on it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

In 2015, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, it was 9 million people. Stable Covid happens. The administration says, you know what? We don't want you have to pay premiums anymore. It's free insurance. We can give you these enhanced subsidies. Just take it and run with it. The number went to 24 million people, but they're not real people. They're not using the insurance, but we're paying full freight for it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So what I think, you know, is interesting is the Supreme Court said we're going to uphold Obamacare, but we're not. The mandate is not constitutional. If there was a mandate and Mr. And Mrs. Johnson were forced to pay money, that would probably wipe out the fraud. You know, is it interesting?

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

I mean, we were going to charge $5, Brian. $5. We call it a pulse check premium. Pulse check. Because if you have to pay even a penny, I know you're real because I had to actually get a penny from you. The Democrats blocked that. They don't want any money coming from anywhere because it's embarrassing to admit that you've got millions and millions of people getting insurance, ostensibly getting insurance when they don't exist or they're illegal immigrants or they've been manufactured again to collect money. And this is getting worse and worse. We just got sued because we were trying to check people's incomes to validate that they deserve to be on Obamacare. I mean, come on. I mean, what is the. What are the guardrails? The reality is, if you're going to offer insurance to people, there have to be some rules of engagement. And I want to sit here with you right now on the Mall, this beautiful setting, to celebrate the fact that a year ago, July 4th, a year ago, the president signed it. The law, perhaps the most magnificent legislation you could ever imagine. It was called the One Big Beautiful Bill. The real name is the Working Families Tax Legislation. And what he did in that legislation was to help clean up some of the mess that we've dealt with Obamacare. He started to make some rules that help Medicaid stay solvent. I got to say, the president and Congress saved Medicaid by making sure that there were common sense, reasonable rules for how the program should run. We also cut taxes, taxes in many different ways. Overtime tips, Medicare, Social Security taxes, all these things were cut in order to give Americans control over their destiny. That happened in part because we were beginning to realize how bad some of this fraud was.

[Brian Kilmeade]

When you found. I guess it all started. We just discussed this, but for me it all started with Minnesota, which blows me away. It's not really your area. But if I was doing a background check on a running mate, Governor Walsh was a governor and this was on the books and the investigation, the fraud was there in the Somali community especially, I wouldn't, I'd pick another running mate. But they must have done the worst background check ever or they thought, we're going to win, it's not going to matter.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

I think they were purely interested in optics, not substance. They wanted it to look good for them. And we were actually concerned when I first came in about some of the issues in Minnesota. But they said they had a tendo, they were going to manage it it. So we were doing fine until August of last year. And at a conference, someone from the Minnesota delegation came over and said, hey, you know, we don't have it handled. This is a real problem. We've got these services that we're offering to people that were supposed to be $1 million a year, like transporting you to the doctor's office. That's not an expensive thing to do. They thought that would cost a million dollars in Minnesota, which is generous. It was costing them $100 million. Autism care was supposed to be $4 million. It was $400 million. So 100 times more everywhere they looked. And they began to realize that they had actually self immolated. They burnt themselves down because. And I went into this with whistleblowers. I went out and visited Minnesota a bunch of times. You go into the agency that manages health there and you ask people what was happening. Were you looking out there? Do you see this happening? And people say, yeah, we saw it. Why do you do anything? Well, the worst thing to be in Minnesota is a racist. And we did not want to be called racist. We want to be nice. And because of that, the people who are willing to say anything about the fact that there were Somalians and others involved in this fraud.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But 110,000 were for the Somali community, right? Yeah.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

And well there's a lot of. This is also. Let's get to the root cause. This is fraud. I'm going to say it's really clearly because it's important. Fraud in Medicaid is not always a flaw, it is sometimes a feature, a good thing for you if you're governor and I'll explain why. Let's look at New York where you usually broadcast or California where we've been out to a lot. What's the number one job in New York state, Brian? Number one job? Retail banking.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Tax banking problem?

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

No, it's personal care service really.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Which means did not know that you're

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

paying your kid to carry the groceries upstairs for you. You're paying people to do things they would normally naturally, naturally do for their families. The number one job by a factor of two.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But not for able bodied people. You have to prove that you're of an elderly person that can't get around you.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Don't you just have to say. You just have to say. I have periodic times when I don't feel my best. The rules are so vague really. I went to the Southern district in Manhattan and the agents there were essentially, I mean they were so sad because they said you've made rules in these programs the state of New York has in this case that are unenforceable. Literally you can have these vague feelings of discontent and you're getting full time care. And as soon as you have a cash cow like that for fraud, you can really make a lot of money. So what's going on in New York is they have these things called social adult daycare centers. Never heard of them, have you? They're basically places where we, the taxpayers are paying money in so that seniors can go play mahjong and bridge. But they go and recruit these seniors, they get their beneficiary card, the number and they say I'm going to send you a personal care service person every day, all day long. And all you have to do is say you want it and I'm going to use your card and charge like a credit card and I'm going to pay you some money in your pocket so you don't have to worry about cash anymore. So basically you're bribing beneficiaries. Now you're seeing more and more people into this program which is costing billions of billions of dollars a year. Now why is that a potential feature? This is the key question that you're asking. Well, let's Just say you're the governor of New York, California and you have half a million people in New York who are on these programs. Well, what if they were unemployed? Instead of being paid by Medicaid, the federal government, you know, through the state, they'd be unemployed. The state would have to pay unemployment coverage for them. All this headache, you don't want to deal with that. Instead, put them on the federal dole. Put them on a personal care service job that's again fairly menial. Pay them 17 bucks an hour. Now here's the better part. They're making money. You're taxing that money for some extra revenue for the state. And here's the kicker. You can unionize them, right? You can take a half a million people and unionize them. Take those union dues right into the union system where who are they going to support in their pack? Who are they going to put money behind? They're going to put money behind the Democratic party of that state. And so now you have a perfect political patronage system. Beautifully designed, elegant. You stop it. Because you first off, you don't let people get access to personal care services unless they actually deserve it. So you need real rules like you need literally the ways even written.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But the states even told you they can't. They're not willing to do it.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

No, they're, they're, they don't, they're, they're such a not willing to do it. They're intimidated because in states like New York and California, the legislature doesn't have the guts to stand up and say this system is corrupt.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

And so we're gonna benefit from it. So we're gonna go in there and say if you want to have personal care services, they have to be for people who would otherwise be going to a nursing home. That was the whole reason it was created, to keep mom at home instead of a nursing home.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That makes sense since it's your money,

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

your rules, our money, our rules. And the fraud in this system, again, an unsupervised person and an unlicensed person providing service in a someone's home.

[Buddy Carter]

You can't.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

How do you police that?

[Brian Kilmeade]

You know what? I'm also thinking about Maine. Maine is a huge problem too. It's not heavily populated, but fraud seems to be running rampant there in the Somali community. Seems to be in the middle of it. Did you look at Maine?

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Oh, we wrote a letter to Maine and to audit them and we've asked them for lots of follow up. It's not just Somalia. In Maine you have Central African tribes basically taking over parts of the state. Many of them came from other states, by the way. They got chased out of Arizona. They go to Maine. We went to Ohio. Second biggest Somalian population in the country. We went to California because one third of all the hospices in the entire nation is in Los Angeles. California, Louisiana, and that's a good example where the state itself told Gavin Newsom, we got a problem in 2022. The auditor said four years ago, you have got to deal with the fraud in hospice. It's hurting people. And Brian, when we see hospice fraud, these are people who are frail at the end of their life, and yet no one dies because they're again being put into the program by dishonest doctors and no one's policing the system. If you look, you will fix it. The best metaphor is the border. What happened with the border? Everyone said, you can't fix it. The Biden administration is too hard. We did everything we can.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Kamala Harris backed off.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Backed off. She quit. Basically, that part of her job. She quit. You know, they abdicated their responsibility. How long did it take for the president to shut immigration to zero?

[Brian Kilmeade]

A few months.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Yeah, he did it because he said, we're going to do this. That's what the president is saying now about fraud in America. He wants us to stop it. He put the vice president in charge of the Anti Fraud Task Force, who's doing a fantastic job organizing a bunch of.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Really coordinating with you, too. Sorry, Coordinating with you.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Coordinating all of us. Andrew Ferguson, Colin McDonald, you know, obviously, Todd, Blanche, Cash Patel, everyone's working together. Scott Besson at Treasury. If I've got a problem, if I identify an issue, boom, the DOJ is all over it. And Scott Besson started looking for money laundering, corrupt systems for hiding the funds. Remember, there are foreign multinational criminal organizations behind a lot of these. If I was to all of government

[Brian Kilmeade]

effect, I want to take a time out and come back because you also recommended something a few months ago I thought was good. You said, hey, go and have a drink and socialize. I want to get you more on that. But the other thing, I want to know if you had a number as we go to break of how much money that's back in the system now that you recover from fraud or Identified. Identified. And how much money is back?

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

I got the number for you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

No, we don't have to tease. I was hoping that.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Oh, I get it right now. $46 billion already brought back. Already brought back. Almost all of it from Medicare because we control all the Farms. If we can get the Medicaid part to catch up to the Medicare part, which we're going to do. $100 billion.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But is it Medicaid state?

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Medicaid state. Which is why, if I can do it, Medicare, I just have to have a good partner. Half the states are good partners. Half could be good partners.

[Lucas Tomlinson]

Gotcha.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And maybe people won't do it if they think there's going to be ramifications. And that's impossible to quantify.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Well, yeah, but this is a very clear message. Anyone listening before they go to broke the break. If you're a crook stealing from the federal government, do not run away from us fast because we're going to catch you no matter what. You're cooked.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, Dr. Oz is here. We're privileged to be here right in front of the state fair celebrating America's 250th birthday. I'll be back here Saturday night with, I think, Sean Hannity and Dana Perino and a great roster of guests including Harris Faulkner and Brett Bear. So it's going to be fun. But meanwhile, more, more with Dr. Oz in just a moment. Don't move.

Keeping you informed, engaged, and always a step ahead. It's the Brian Kilme Show. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Kilmeade.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Why are you still here?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, hey, we're back. I'm here in Washington, D.C. we got the. We're overlooking. Well, how would you describe this, Dr. Oz?

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Beautiful, majestic. It just feels like America. I mean, this is when you dream about the beauty of the mall in Washington. This is what it should look like. Every state's got a little boutique area. Everyone's showing off. They're doing things a little differently because we're all different.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you have the Washington Monument right behind us, a Ferris wheel right there and people coming in and out. I have not seen anyone from Washington. I see people out of town. What do you think the 4th is going to be like?

[Buddy Carter]

Packed?

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

I already. My whole family's coming down. We got lots of kids. And by 29th, by 41st wedding anniversary yesterday, 29th. And so we got kids, grandkids. They're all coming. I think a lot of families are coming together for the Fourth. It's just a little early. Kids have to finish whatever camp they're in. But this is going to be packed. President has a whole space that he's got for, you know, for senior members, administration. There's tickets for a lot of the administration wherever they're working to come in. So you'll see it. This is going to be completely pulled together for the biggest fireworks ever.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you were a surgeon for how long?

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

My whole life. Until I ran for Senate in 2020. 22.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So then you were. You had your own Talk show for 20 years?

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

Well, I was with Oprah for six, seven years. I did my own show for 13 more years. A total about 20 years.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So how do you rank this job with everything you've done? Did you anticipate at some point serving in the government?

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

I always had the itch to serve, and I felt the way many of the people that I am blessed to work with, the government say feel, which is, hey, listen, I was giving gifts by God to help. Let me go out and help the American people, not just myself or the people in my company. And that's a pretty motivating force. But I got to say, to answer your question, this is the best job I've ever had. And I tell the President this all the time. I love being a heart surgeon. It is so fulfilling to look someone in the eyes and know you're there for each other. And when you finish the operation, there's immediate gratification that you've done something that you think is worthy of uplifting humanity. You saved a life. I love doing the show as you do. You can tell in your eyes. You just engage. It's fun. You get to meet a lot of people. You get to talk about stuff that matters with friends who are watching from home. But when you get to serving government, there's real stakes. And if you're in the change business, which you and I, which you are, you know, you want to make a difference every day. And so I go to work and I know that I'm going to make changes, decisions. In our agency, we control about $2 trillion of spending. We touched the lives of 170 million Americans, half the American people. You know, most kids are born into Medicaid, which we run. All seniors are on Medicare. So if we can get people to work with each other better, and I can help meet people where they are and get them healthier for their longevity, for their ability to work better and longer, I'll give you one number is going to blow your mind. If we can get the average American to feel so good about their life, so strong, so with it, they want to work just one more year, that's worth $1 trillion US economy.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you don't see, you don't encourage people to retire at 62 or 65. If you feel good, keep going.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

If you feel good and you enjoy your job. I do think you should keep going. And most folks who do work longer enjoy it for that reason. But listen, I get it. If you're injured, if you don't feel like your job's not fun, you'll go do the things you want to do. It's not so much whether you're working at your job. Are you engaging life? Americans are so productive. We can produce value even when we're not in a 9 to 5 job. Just keep with. One of the reasons that this week is so important is when we passed the working families tax cut legislation last year on July 4th, there was a work requirement in there. And people don't pay as much attention to that sometimes. But the basic promise was if you're on Medicaid, getting free health insurance, we'd like you to contribute to society. Go work a job for 20 hours. Halftime. Go get an education. Halftime. Go volunteer. Halftime. Just do something. Get off your tail. We know people who are healthy and able bodied on Medicaid, watch 6.1 hours of television a day or sit around. That's not healthy for you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Let me just exit the way we started. You told people to go out and go socialize, have a drink.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

I do. Dr. Oz, there is nothing healthier. Nothing healthier than having a good time with your friends. In moderation. But here are the operative words. In moderation with your friends. So having, you know, a keg of beer for breakfast by yourself doesn't work.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, I know. I get it. But I think you're 100% right. There's something about hanging out with your friends, having a beer in your hand even before you drink it. It's like it feels right. Dr. Oz, thanks so much for doing this and what you're doing for the country.

[Dr. Mehmet Oz]

God bless you. Brian.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Brian Kilmen.