Democrats Are Facing a Full Socialist Takeover

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Episode Title: Democrats Are Facing a Full Socialist Takeover
Date: July 1, 2026
Host: Brian Kilmeade (Fox News)
Featured Guests: Jonathan Turley, Rob Blagojevich, Payam Zamani, Harry Cole, Karl Rove, Rep. Michael McCaul

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Overview

This episode explores the perceived "socialist takeover" of the Democratic Party, the recent rise of Democratic Socialists in primary races across several states, and the implications for both upcoming elections and American political culture. Brian Kilmeade discusses these issues with prominent guests, while touching on other breaking news, including Supreme Court decisions, foreign policy challenges (notably Iran), and perspectives from political figures and international observers. The show maintains a lively, sometimes combative tone, weaving in broader themes of American identity, political polarization, and the role of the Supreme Court.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Supreme Court Decisions and National Debate

Guest: Jonathan Turley (Legal Scholar)

• Birthright Citizenship Ruling (03:20 – 07:40):

  • Supreme Court narrowly upholds birthright citizenship in a 5-4 decision. Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Barrett sided with the majority.
  • Justice Thomas’ dissent argues the 14th Amendment was intended for freed slaves, not modern immigration dynamics or "birth tourism."
    • Quote (06:19): “We are a ship of fools by embracing birthright citizenship.” — Jonathan Turley
  • Turley contends that while the issue is close constitutionally, as a policy matter, it’s clear to him the current system is flawed.
  • Kilmeade gives global context, noting the end of similar policies in Ireland, UK, Australia, etc.

• Campaign Finance Ruling (08:47 – 12:39):

  • The Court upholds greater coordination between political parties/Super PACs and candidates, citing money as a form of speech (Citizens United precedent).
    • Quote (09:28): “Money is speech... if you're restricting [that], it’s a deprivation of the First Amendment.” — Jonathan Turley
  • Concerns about influence of mega-donors like Soros or the Kochs remain strong.

• Public Response & Independence of the Court (13:52 – 15:43):

  • Turley and Kilmeade criticize the left’s reaction to Court decisions, arguing the justices have demonstrated independence even if outcomes upset both sides.
    • Quote (13:52): “What's astonishing, that the left can't take the W and instead turn it into a hate fest.” — Jonathan Turley

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2. The "Socialist Takeover" of the Democratic Party

Guests: Rob Blagojevich (Former IL Governor), Harry Cole (The Sun), Karl Rove (Republican Strategist)

• Recent Primary Results (19:30 – 26:58, 41:52 – 45:14, 74:28 – 85:02):

  • Democratic Socialists score upset victories in New York, New Jersey, Maine, Colorado (notably Malad Quiros, 29, in Colorado), Philadelphia, and local races.
    • Quote (22:17): “We are just getting started. This is a movement.” — Malad Quiros (as played, paraphrased by Kilmeade)
  • Blagojevich attributes this to youth radicalization, academic influence, and the party's shift away from “opportunity” to “equal sharing of misery.”
    • Quote (22:32): “Socialists have taken over the Democratic Party... they're not about lifting people up—they’re about bringing people down.” — Rob Blagojevich
  • Explains generational divide, referencing Churchill on the youthful allure of socialism.

• Analysis of Trends & the “Big Tent” Party (17:16 – 19:16; 53:57 – 55:57):

  • Kilmeade and guests argue socialists are driving out traditional, centrist, and moderate Democrats.
    • Quote (19:32): “[Socialists] don’t even want you in the tent. They’ve taken over your party.”
  • Callers and guests (including a former moderate Democrat) share experiences with "militant progressives" pushing out others from local office.

• International & Historic Perspective:

  • Harry Cole compares US trends to socialist politics in the UK, warning of similar cycles and economic consequences.
    • Quote (42:45): “You have socialists who say they're going to be for the people and then the only people they actually tax are the working people... they bankrupt... towns. It's a warning sign from Britain. Don’t do this, guys.”

• Political Repercussions:

  • Karl Rove discusses the impact on general elections—Democratic Socialists can win in deep-blue primaries but face headwinds in purple or swing districts.
    • Quote (77:06): “DSA can win primaries in places like the 7th, 10th, 13th [NY] and 1st [CO] but it’s a real test in the 8th [CO].”
  • Potential for a Republican realignment as working-class voters shift away from Democrats.

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3. US Foreign Policy: Iran and the Straits of Hormuz

Guests: Col. Mike Jarrigan, Congressman Michael McCaul, Payam Zamani

• Current Stand-off with Iran (00:59 – 01:22, 94:39 – 104:52):

  • Ongoing indirect talks, Trump’s “strategic patience,” pressure to keep energy prices down while maintaining toughness.
  • General Jack Keane and Rep. Michael McCaul emphasize military readiness and skepticism about Iran's intentions in negotiations.
    • Quote (91:16): “It’s just a preposterous ruling... [birthright citizenship] might invite people to come here... give birth, and then all of a sudden the child and their family have full benefits of American citizenship. That’s just a preposterous ruling.” — Col. Mike Jarrigan
  • Allies in the Gulf remain generally supportive of US policy.

• Immigrant Perspective:

  • Payam Zamani shares his Baha'i refugee story, lauding America’s freedoms and opportunities (57:47 – 70:48).
    • Quote (58:25): “I escaped Iran through the border... That’s the first time I felt dignity. Somebody cared for me.” — Payam Zamani
  • Stresses importance of appreciating America’s promise, encourages Americans not to take the country for granted.

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4. Reflections on American Patriotism & Cultural Identity

• Responding to National Cynicism (106:33 – 108:50):

  • Kilmeade and Rep. McCaul express concern at declining patriotism among Americans, noting that only 53% are “very pro-American” and playing soundbites of Democrats expressing ambivalence or apologetic stances about the flag and July 4th.
    • Quote (107:40): “Patriotism ran in their bloodstream... To hear these disgusting comments about this country. They’re not patriots.” — Rep. Michael McCaul

• Immigrant Success and Hope (70:18 – 70:48, 64:22 – 67:32):

  • Zamani credits America’s foundation for enabling immigrants and fostering hope worldwide:
    • “This country has always attempted to make itself better... Most countries in the world just simply don’t have [that].”

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5. Additional Topics & Notable Moments

• Soccer & World Cup Coverage (36:04 – 45:14, 71:11 – 74:16):

  • The World Cup is used as a backdrop for discussions about national pride and positive international perceptions of the US.

• Rob Blagojevich’s Personal Story (28:01 – 35:42):

  • Former governor describes his arrest, conviction, years in prison, and eventual commutation by Trump.
    • Quote (30:01): “Obama started it. He went to the White House for eight years. I went to the big house for eight years... Obama had a better eight years than me.” — Rob Blagojevich
  • Blagojevich frames his prosecution as politically motivated, linking his experience to a broader “weaponization of the justice system.”

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Jonathan Turley (06:19): “We are a ship of fools by embracing birthright citizenship.”
• Rob Blagojevich (22:32): “Socialists have taken over the Democratic Party... they’re not about lifting people up—they’re about bringing people down.”
• Brian Kilmeade (19:32): “[Socialists] don’t even want you in the tent. They’ve taken over your party.”
• Harry Cole (42:45): “You have socialists who say they're going to be for the people and then the only people they actually tax are the working people.”
• Payam Zamani (58:25): “I escaped Iran through the border... That’s the first time I felt dignity.”
• Rep. Michael McCaul (107:40): “Patriotism ran in their bloodstream... To hear these disgusting comments about this country. They’re not patriots.”
• Karl Rove (77:06): “DSA can win primaries in places like... NY and the 1st of Colorado, but it’s a real test... in the 8th district.”

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Segment Timestamps

• Supreme Court Decisions & Analysis: 03:20 – 15:43
• Democratic Primaries & Rise of Socialism: 17:16 – 28:01; 41:52 – 45:14; 74:28 – 85:02
• Iran & Foreign Policy: 00:59 – 01:22; 91:16 – 104:52
• Blagojevich Interview: 28:01 – 35:42
• Payam Zamani’s Story: 57:47 – 70:48
• Harry Cole on Socialism & World Cup: 41:52 – 45:14
• Karl Rove on Party Trends: 74:28 – 88:45
• Rep. McCaul on Foreign Policy & Patriotism: 91:16 – 108:50

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

• Tone: Confrontational, urgent, patriotic, occasionally derisive toward opponents and policies on the left.
• Takeaways:
  • Kilmeade and guests see the Democratic Party as in crisis, vulnerable to radical influences, and out of step with many voters.
  • The Supreme Court is framed as a bulwark of independence, occasionally frustrating both ideological sides.
  • There is a concern for the decline of traditional patriotism and a plea for Americans to cherish their freedoms and history.
  • Foreign policy, especially with Iran and Ukraine, is cast as a pivotal, high-stakes struggle.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This in-depth episode combines real-time political analysis, historical perspective, and personal stories to argue that the Democratic Party is being transformed by socialist movements, with uncertain consequences for 2026 and beyond. The discussion is supplemented by legal commentary on key Supreme Court decisions, critiques of campaign finance rules, and foreign policy updates, while maintaining a focus on American values, opportunity, and civic debate.

Transcript

[Brian Kilmeade]

From the FOX News radio studios in midtown Manhattan. It's the fastest growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmeade,

so glad you're there. It's the Brian Kilmeade Show. We're back from Washington, D.C. for at least a couple of days. Then we go to Liberty State park in New Jersey. We'll be live there leading up to July 4th, our 250th birthday. Jonathan Turley standing by. I want him to break down all the decisions from the Supreme Court justices. And Rob Lukojevich at the bottom of the hour, we have a special coming out on FOX Nation on his remarkable, very unique career. So I just gotta remind you, we got our own YouTube channel now. Everyone's talking about it. Go to YouTube.com@the Brian Kilmeade show and you can always listen to us on the FOX News app if you're not in our family of affiliates or have to leave from your hometown. So let's get to the big three before we get to Jonathan, number three,

[Rob Blagojevich]

I think that he's appropriately using strategic patience. The Iranians have demonstrated that they only respond to force. They like this kind of no agreement zone that we're in right now.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I agree. And that is Colonel Mike Jernigan. Talks going nowhere as Trump listens to all options in Iran. Big story in the Wall Street Journal today. His challenge, keep energy prices down but continue to show Iran who is in charge.

[Jonathan Turley]

Number two, what we are witnessing is an independent court, a court that continues to follow Princip bull, not politics. Now, that doesn't mean that you can't be upset with the outcome on things like birthright citizenship.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Jonathan Turley, who I'd love to speak to in three minutes. Supreme Court makes some big decisions. Both sides are celebrating and complaining.

Number one, we got a lot of fire under their asses because for far too long they've just collected paychecks from corporations and wealthy mega donors and haven't really done much.

So this movement has a lot of

momentum for that reason because people are

desperate for some change. Well, put it this I don't want to defend Democrats, but to say not done much when you talk about the rescue plan, when you talk about how they jammed all these bills down our throats during the Biden years, that's not good enough for Hassan Piker, the radical podcaster who hates America now. Are you paying attention? Socialists Latest win Colorado as the gradual takeover the Democratic Party continues. We have the results. But first, let's put that aside for just a moment. By the way, the President States is going to do something historic in. He's flying to North Dakota to open up officially the Teddy Roosevelt Museum, at which time he's gonna take a train just like they did in the 19th century where Roosevelt did. And it's gonna be pretty dramatic and symbolic. Jonathan Turley, you join us now. Jonathan, man, you've had a busy week.

[Jonathan Turley]

It is. I've been working me like a rented mule over at Fox.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But we need some instant analysis. And first off, on birthright citizenship. I know you've told me and you were kind enough to come on the air when this, right before that, the 14th Amendment is going to be upheld because you heard John Roberts come out and say, you know, times have changed, but the Constitution hasn't. And that just struck you as that's a death board of birthright citizenship. But what about the justices and how they voted? 5, 4, right?

[Jonathan Turley]

Yeah. It was actually closer than many people thought it would be. Roberts was not a surprise. Barrett joined him, but it was still a one vote margin. Notably, Justice Kavanaugh said that he does not believe that birthright citizenship is contained within the 14th Amendment. He would still have struck down President Trump's executive order on different grounds. Now, the reason that's important is that Justice Thomas in his stinging dissent said that he does not believe that this opinion will withstand the test of time. Many people sort of took that as well. This is a one vote margin case, and this could come back to a very different court, particularly if the Republicans continue to hold the White House.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, why do you think, what was his line of thinking, that it's not gonna stand the test of time?

[Jonathan Turley]

Well, I think that there's two reasons. One is that Thomas had some very good arguments against this interpretation. He said, look, this was an amendment designed to guarantee citizenship and full citizenship for freed slaves. No one at the time would have imagined what we have today, which are where you have 10% of new births in this country coming from undocumented people, where you have billions of dollars have been raised in so called birth tourism. Now, Roberts respond to that by saying, yeah, things have changed, but the Constitution hasn't. And that's a completely valid point to make. There are good arguments on both sides, but I think that Thomas felt that the court really failed here. The thing I agree with Thomas on is that I believe the court got this wrong at the beginning and it sort of had past dependence. It's refused to reconsider the wrong turn that it made. But at the end of the day, the question now is settled and the next question is, what are you going to do about it? Is Congress going to act, or are we going to finally have a national debate in the form of a constitutional amendment?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Because, I mean, but times have changed. I mean, we don't have slaves in this country. So when you said the court got it wrong, are you saying birthright citizenship came up at a different time and the court reaffirmed it and that's what made this new decision predictable?

[Jonathan Turley]

I don't believe that the 14th Amendment clearly embraces birthright citizenship. I think it's a close question, quite frankly. But some of the drafters of the 14th Amendment said that it did not include birthright citizenship. That's a question that we can have good faith disagreements on. What I think is not a close question is how bad birthright citizenship is for this country. We are a ship of fools by embracing birthright citizenship.

[Brian Kilmeade]

This is Jonathan Turley talking.

[Jonathan Turley]

There are no, I mean that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

No, I mean that. I'm saying this is your opinion.

[Jonathan Turley]

Yes.

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

Okay.

[Jonathan Turley]

And we, we are, you know, we are one of the few countries, certainly major countries that embrace birthright citizenship. Some of the countries that used to embrace this practice got rid of it for good reason. To me, it's an unworkable practice. You cannot have a rule that if someone just steps on this country for a matter of minutes and gives birth, they suddenly have a citizen. And Justice Alito, Justice Thomas really brought that up. So I think that as a constitutional matter, it's very close. As a policy matter, I don't think it's that close. I think that we should have this national debate as to whether we want to join most of our allies in rejecting this.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Ireland, the last country in Europe to end it, 2004. The UK ended birth nationality in 1981. Australia ended it in 1986. New Zealand ended in 2006. So, and I could go through it, so for people think Donald Trump doesn't like immigrants. That's how they simplify things. But did the Solicitor General not make a strong enough argument? It seems like this is very fertile to make a strong argument for.

[Jonathan Turley]

You know, Solicitor General Saward, I thought, did a magnificent job. He's. He's proven to be an extraordinary Solicitor General. It's just that he had. He did not have the cards to play with Chief Justice Roberts and Justice Barrett. And, you know, they went their own way on this one. But, you know, what the justice has emphasized in your argument is we're not here as a legislature to debate the, you know, the rationale behind birthright Citizenship. We have a narrow question of what the Constitution says and means. Well, all right, but now the question is no longer the courts. What people don't understand is we never had this debate. This has been stuck in the courts for decades. It is a, this is largely a creation of the court in terms of the framing of this debate. It now belongs to us and we can make decision now. Polls have indicated that people actually may support birthright citizenship, but we haven't had the debate. They're not familiar with the facts that you just laid out, Brian.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Jonathan, Charlie, by the way, has a fantastic book. It's now a New York Times bestseller, Raging the Republic, the Unfinished Story of the American Revolution, which is so appropriate now as we come up to July 4th. Jonathan, I want to talk about the probably the least thinking, the least publicity, but I need help on. The court ruled, they say, in favor of Trump, the Republicans, when it comes to campaign finance. They said they're going to allow and stop me. It doesn't take, I don't take it personal. They're going to allow more collaboration and cooperation between the super PACs and the candidate and the, and the party. Could you explain what the court ruled and how it brings more money into politics?

[Jonathan Turley]

Yeah, that was a big win for the gop. They have been trying to remove this barrier to allow more coordination into how money is spent between campaigns. It's going to be enormously important in the midterms, which obviously are shaping up to be a battle royale. What the court ruled is consistent with the decision that Citizens United, which is that money is speech. I happen to agree with that. I agreed with Citizens United that, you know, people spend money to amplify their views. And what this case means is that. Yeah. And they also go to groups and tax and organizations to amplify their views more so they can aggregate their money and use it in a strategic way. The court said, look, that's speech and if you're restricting is a deprivation of the First Amendment. Now, the anomaly, Brian, is, is interesting because the court has upheld limits on individual contribution side and that is increasingly becoming an anomaly. You know, if these groups should be able to spend this money and raise huge amounts of money as speech, then why shouldn't Brian Kilmeade, why shouldn't he be able to give what is known as his huge fortune to causes that he thinks are important?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yes. Inherited fortune. I come from royalty.

[Jonathan Turley]

You and Dan Goldman.

[Karl Rove]

Absolutely.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yes, me and Dan Goldman. And we both are going to be forced out. I'll be forced out of Fox like he's been forced out of Congress. But Jonathan, this does bother me as a citizen. It bothers me that George Soros super pac can put $100 million in and a Republican, the Kochs, can do the same thing. It does bother me a little on the surface. And I think it would almost be better for everybody if there were limits and it would actually free politicians to not be subservient to the people that put them into office.

[Jonathan Turley]

Yeah, no, that's a, that's a valid argument. But I think that if you, if you're focusing on the language of the Constitution, there's nothing in there that justifies limiting money when that obviously has an effect on speech. Yeah, if you have more money, you can speak louder in this country. There's no question about that. And that includes using your own money to run. I mean, Dan Goldman, we just mentioned, you know, I think it was a stupid decision, but he announced that he was going to help fund his own campaign from this inherited fortune. Well, not exactly a good argument when socialists are on the rise, but it is a fact. Now the way you can change that is you can change the Constitution and you can bar corporations from spending at all in, in elections. But keep in mind, corporations come in so many different forms, from Sierra Club to pro life to unions. They're all collections of individuals who are aggregating their money. And yes, they also include people like Soros, who is using his ample fortune to push very far left candidates.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I know, by the way, in terms of trans men playing in women's sports, it's gonna be up to the states. You can make your own decisions, which bad news if you run state California, but great news if you run a state in Oklahoma. So the Supreme Court ruled on that. But overall we saw a situation where there was conservative Supreme Court justices seemed to be ruling on each and every situation too much to the angst of President Trump, like Amy Coney Barrett, they went back and forth. But listen to how the left wing responded to the supreme court justices opinions. Cut 28.

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

This Supreme Court could not have ruled

[Rob Blagojevich]

any other way and held onto its legitimacy as the nine supreme members of the judicial branch. The 14th amendment was put in place and I think in a way to

[Brian Kilmeade]

save us from ourselves and our worst

[Rob Blagojevich]

impulses, not to save a country from people like Justice Kavanaugh.

[Brian Kilmeade]

There are folks who are doubling down on the idea that this country must be a white republic.

[Jonathan Turley]

You have a bunch of people who fetishize history.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Maybe the issue isn't so much that

[Jonathan Turley]

the Constitution needs to change, but that the people interpreting the Constitution need to change.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Jessica, I just want to give people another side of the illogical argument on how the Supreme Court has ruled over the last few weeks.

[Jonathan Turley]

What's astonishing, that the left can't take the W and instead turn it into a hate fest. And these comments are outrageous. I mean, arguing that the 14th Amendment is meant to block people like Justice Kavanaugh is precisely the unhinged type of rhetoric that led to an attempt on his life. And it just, it's disgusting and people need to condemn it. What happened in this court was exactly what the framers anticipated. The court acted independently. They followed principle. You know, I know that President Trump can be upset about some of these decisions, but it also delivered massive victories for him this term, expanding executive power in a way that is really going to be his true lasting legacy, including a case that shot a prior precedent called Humphreys Executor. Now, most people don't know what that is, but Humphreys executor was a massive limit on the ability of the President to remove members of executive boards and commissions. That's a huge win. So, yes, Barrett, for example, voted against the President on a couple of these cases. She more often votes in favor of conservative values and the administration. You know, the President said that he wanted to pick independent, principled justices. Well, he got them. I think that his three nominees are some of the best ever put on the court. It may sound like hyperbole, but these three justices are brilliant. And yeah, I disagree with them at times, but the quality of the intellect of this court is deeper because of President Trump. And while he can be upset with the outcome, he should take some pride in his impact on the court.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I mean, I like the fact that he was getting every single thing he wanted would back up that thought that he, it is just an organ of the administration and this is, I think, increasing their credibility with decisions like this. And you know, I'm not smart. I'm not going to, I can't argue on an equal footing with these men and women. But you know, I'm disappointed in some decisions, but I'm not saying I'm out thinking them. Jonathan Turley, thanks so much. Can't out think you either, but I am smart enough to know Rage in the Republic is a great book. The Unfinished Story of the American Revolution. Thanks, Jonathan.

[Jonathan Turley]

Thank you, my friend.

[Brian Kilmeade]

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[Jonathan Turley]

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[Payam Zamani]

We have to have a big tent.

[Karl Rove]

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[Brian Kilmeade]

is the fact that it's a big tent. We are a big tent party. I hate to tell you, but the socialists don't even want you in the tent. They have taken over your party. In case you do not know, it is not a blue bubble. It is not the liberal New York City. And the voter turnout was so low that allowed these firebrand, socialist, Islamic loving, anti Israel, anti semitic candidates to win in New York. Yeah, you're right. But you know where else they won? In New Jersey. You know where else they won? You know who they nominated in Maine? A communist socialist in Platner. Let alone more personal problems than anyone I've ever seen to run for office. And then you have in Colorado. You have a 29 year old unproven radical beat a congresswoman to get who's been in office since 97, not that you should keep you in office, but was endorsed by Hakeem Jeffries and they still lost because the power in that party is with Bernie Sanders. And it's your pride. I've seen it over and over again. When you let this guy in your party without making him become a member of your party, you opened up the door and when he almost won the nomination and you put your hand on the scale to deny him that nomination with Biden and Hillary, he kept his powder dry and now he's taken over your party like a tapeworm and you can't pull him out. Rod Blagojevich is next. Cheers to America's 250th birthday. Get 20 off your first purchase at foxnewswineshop.com with code FNRADIO 2020 discount, excludes wine club offers and cannot be combined with any other promotion. Expires July 31, 2026.

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Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the BRIAN KILMEADE SHOW I think progressive politics left populism, a politics that centers the needs of the working class can work in every district in every state.

That's why it kept saying over and

over again it's coming to a coming

to a city near you. It is crazy. That is Hassan Piker and he is having a moment and hopefully it's brief but I don't think it is for Democrats they better pray it is. But for socialists they just think it's the beginning. And why? Because he's putting socialists in power. Yet the one in Philadelphia got the other one in New Jersey who was a aide to the blind shake and a character witness. The guy one is likely to win in November. And then you have the three and the seven local politicians that are going to be going up to Albany, New York. And then you have the three US Congress women who beat Hakeem Jeffries in two or three of those races all about socialist, Islamists, anti Israel, anti aipac, anti everything Jew who are being successful. And then everyone's telling me don't worry about it, it's just New York. And then Colorado happens last night. You have a 29 year old upstart only known for anti Israel behavior in Hasan P. Piker. Hasan Piker helped prop up just beat congresswoman to get handily by about eight points even though she was highly outspent. And you have another socialist who won a purple in a purple district and a district look listed by the Cook Report as one likely to flip. Now it's not nearly as likely. Joining us now, a man who knows all about the reality of politics and the dangers of the left, Rob Blagojevich, former governor of Illinois. There's a brand new show coming out available on Fox Nation right now called Blago his remarkable career. The highs, the lows and there's the today's governor. Welcome back.

[Rob Blagojevich]

Thanks, Brian. It's great to see you. You know, I spent 2,896 days sheltering a place in prison for politics and not for crimes. And I read a lot of your books.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Thank you.

[Rob Blagojevich]

Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Booker T. Washington, Washington and the Spies Lincoln and Frederick Douglass. Great books. God bless you and congratulations on your scholarship.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, I just love our history. I don't pledge to be the most esteemed historian. I'm just passionate about it as you obviously are. So. So Rod, when you I want to talk about your series but I also want to put in perspective what's happening in the Democratic Party and that is the rise of socialism. It's not a niche conversation anymore in the blue state. Look what happened in Colorado last night. I want you to hear from Milad Kiros who won at 29 years old from Ethiopia. Now an American cut one. Nothing is set in stone. We won tonight, but this is not something so much bigger than this moment. Then one moment.

This is a movement.

And we are just getting started. Big Support from the DSA. 29 years old won by about 6 points in Colorado. What's your takeaway from this trend?

[Rob Blagojevich]

It is a trend. Socialists have taken over the Democratic Party. That previous speaker in one of your clips, Hasan Piker, is talking about the working class. You know, my mother and father were working people. My dad was a steel worker, factory worker. My mom worked for the public transit system taking fares and passing out transfers. I grew up in a five room apartment. I was a Democrat because the Democratic Party used to be for opportunity, a chance to get out of the working class, get ahead, go into the middle class, maybe go into the upper class, maybe get rich. That's the beauty of America. That's why people come here from all over the world. And these socialists have a very different view. I think it was Churchill who said socialism is the equal sharing of misery. They're not about lifting people up, they're about bringing people down. And when they do that, history teaches us in all places where socialism has been that the working class goes further down. And so this is a misguided approach. It has taken over the Democratic Party. It's for real and it's driven by the new generation. Yet take heart, history teaches us. I'm going to quote Churchill again. He said something like, if you're young and not a socialist, you don't have a heart. But if you're older, four years old and you're not a conservative, you don't have a brain. They're going to grow up, they're going to learn about how the real world works. But in the meantime, they're a real direct threat to our democracy. And they're a real direct threat to the basic nature of America, which is about freedom and a chance to get ahead and make life better for yourself and for your family.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So what do they have in common, Rod? They have a huge education. This woman, this woman is. Is a Ethiopian, as I might mention to you, born in Ethiopia, now a PhD candidate. What's Hasan Piker? He's got four or five degrees. Who is Mamdha? Me. Three or four degrees. These are not uneducated people, they're overeducated people. And educated in a way that has learned to despise and look, to unwind America. How does that happen?

[Rob Blagojevich]

It happens in the college campuses because these professors have decided that I don't want to malign professors. I had a lot of good ones when I went to college and a few at law school, too. But, you know, let's face it. They, the professors live in the midst of theory. They're, they're in the Wisconsin comfort security of a college campus. They have tenure and they come up with all these ideas and they judge the doers of the world, the achievers of the world. And they have all kinds of regrets and resentments towards them. And they're the ones who are instilling in these young people these viewpoints, particularly anti Americanism and anti Semitism, which is really now part of the Democratic Party. But let me just say one thing about that. And it's this, it's the best teacher in life isn't a college campus. It's the school of hard knocks. And most people have common sense because most people live lives, their lives that way. And when these kids get out of college and live life a little bit and see that these policies are failures, let's hope, pray that they'll do what history has taught us. They'll become a lot more sensible. In the meantime, as I said, it's a very real problem. But I think it's an opportunity for the Republicans because now, Brian, it isn't the Republicans against Democrats in the midterm elections. It's the Republicans versus the socialists and the Bolsheviks in the midterm elections. And I think the American people, if they have given a chance to understand what's going on, are going to reject socialism and Bolshevism because America is just the opposite of what those people espouse.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So in the U.S. senate race, Hickenlooper stays. He won 56, 44. But this progressive state Rep. Manny Routinel, who is a avowed socialist, defeated Shannon Byrd, thought to be a centrist and thought, according to the Cook report, this was a seat that was supposed to flip. There's only 15 or 18 seats in play. And Gabe Evans, a Republican, was supposed to be vulnerable. I'm not saying he's not, but now he's less because it's such a. It's such a stark difference. So I'm just wondering the big picture, where it's going. So I guess we'll see. What bothers me is we're talking about the American dream. These our founding Fathers and our founders, our first Generation said, I want to free. I want to be free to understand what I can do in life. I want to be a shopkeeper. I want to be a blacksmith. I want to be a farmer. I don't want to sit in the, in the, in a situation that I'm born into, in England or anywhere in Europe. I want to start again. I want an opportunity. And now, 250 years later, they're trying to say, America needs less opportunity working. If you're successful, I want to take more of your money and give it to the air quotes working class. They're trying to message it in a very deceptive way because Republicans have actually got more of the working class than ever before. They're trying to siphon that off.

[Rob Blagojevich]

Well, that's the beauty of the new Trump Republican Party. I call myself a Trump ocrat, Brian, for personal reasons, because he's been so kind to me.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You're a Democrat.

[Karl Rove]

Yes.

[Rob Blagojevich]

I was a Democratic governor. I was the first Democrat governor to endorse Obama back in 2008. And frankly, I blame Obama for a lot of this socialist trend that's happened now. But, no, the Trump Party, this new Republican Party, is not that old corporate country club Republican Party that was indifferent to working people, didn't care about them. This Republican Party under Trump cares about working people. It's why he's changing things dramatically. We're having a massive political realignment, and there's a real opportunity here for the Trump Republican Party to embrace disgruntled working people in America who still believe in hard work, believe in God, love America, support the police, and see some of these crazy positions that these socialists and lunatics take as being ridiculous. They're. They should be part of Trump's new Republican Party. And knowing Trump as little as I do, I think he's going to reach out to them and try to include them into a larger tent of this new political dynamic that exists today in America.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you. We have a special on Fox Nation. I love Fox Nations. They do an unbelievable job. First off, Rob, people got to know you. You're sitting governor, and you end up going to jail. Why? You had that Senate seat that was open and you were caught on tape saying, you know, I got this jam. If I could just paraphrase, I got this seat. I want to see, you know, I want to see, you know, what is it going to take to fill this seat and who wants it more. And the assumption was that you are soliciting money to fill that seat. Is any. I said incorrect.

[Rob Blagojevich]

Everything you said was Correct, except the last part. The assumption that I was taking money. That's a big lie. The whole thing was a big lie. You know, here again, I'm going to quote Churchill. He said, you know, a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on. You know, they came to my house with SWAT teams, 24 members. I was the sitting governor of the fifth largest state to arrest me, to do what the prosecutors Fitzgerald said to stop a crime spree before it happened. There are FBI tapes, 98% of them that are covered up to this day. The tapes, if they're released, will show they were stopping me from making a political deal that would advance health care for people, jobs through a public works bill and a promise in writing not to raise taxes on the people of Illinois. Play those tapes, it'll show who's lying. But they covered it up. This was the beginning of the weaponization of these corrupt prosecutors who abuse their uncontrolled and unlimited power to undo elections and thwart the will of the people. What they did to me at the aa, to a Democrat governor, they learned and a lot of the same people were involved to try to do the same thing to President Trump at the major league level. This is the greatest constitutional crisis in American history since the Civil War. And the combination of the threat of socialism and these authoritarian tyrants are the probably the greatest threat, are certainly the greatest threat to our freedom and security in America. No one's going to come in and invade America and defeat us. We can lose only from within. And people like this guy Fitzgerald and prosecutors like the others who went after Trump, they ought to belong jail for what they do. Criminalizing non crimes was all politics. Obama started it. He went to the White House for eight years. I went to the big house for eight years. And Brian, it's fair to say Obama had a better eight years than me.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Okay, here's how it sounded. Cut 48, 6 o' clock in the

[Rob Blagojevich]

morning, the phone rings. The guy on the other line says hello, Governor Blagojevich is this is agent so and so from the FBI.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I explained who I was, explained that there were agents at his front door. We had a warrant for his arrest.

[Rob Blagojevich]

He had 24 members of a SWAT team around my house, a bunch of

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

FBI agents and at that point the

[Brian Kilmeade]

agents were let into the home and

[Rob Blagojevich]

then they handcuffed me from behind. Sitting governor, fifth largest state.

[Brian Kilmeade]

He came out in handcuffs.

[Rob Blagojevich]

They came to create this big shock and awe event.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What was that like? I mean, for one Thing you always visibly kept your cool. I never saw you rattled, but inside, what was that like?

[Rob Blagojevich]

That was, it was, it was, you know, it was very challenging. I mean, obviously it was gonna. A game changer, right? I mean, I knew from the moment they, they put me in the car with the handcuffs behind my back that, you know, I was in, you know, not only going to be involved in a shitstorm, but that my days as governor were going to be numbered because of the, the dynamics and the politics of it. And I knew that this was going to be the most significant test in my life. You know, the prophet Isaiah talks about the fiery furnace of affliction. This was calamity that came on like a world that's right out of scripture too. And so it was a really challenge. Personally. Brian, what are you made out of? Are you going to give into this? Because, you know, they're all lies and you know those people are corrupt. They're about to hijack the governor and you have a responsibility and a duty as the governor to fight them. So I was determined from the very beginning to never, ever give in to fight. Knowing deep down, in spite of it all, after two trials, that because they had so much power, in the end I was a dead man. I knew it, but I felt I had to go down fighting and, and I did. And it was a long, hard journey and no one even says I took a penny. It was all political talk which they cherry picked and to this day are covering up all those tapes because it covers up the lies and the frame up that they did. It's the greatest frame up in American history.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I want you to hear. So, you know, obviously people know that Senator Barack Obama became President Obama opening up that Senate seat. So they grew as sitting governor gets to put somebody into that seat. So who would that be? Here is the sentence cut 49.

[Rob Blagojevich]

I have to say, despite, you know,

[Brian Kilmeade]

I've been generally pretty critical of him for the last hour or so. It did feel like a very long jail sentence for something that there was no violence, there was no physical injury.

[Karl Rove]

It was one of the harshest sentences ever given to a politician.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I mean, how many people did he

[Karl Rove]

murder at 14 years.

[Jonathan Turley]

What's interesting is that this is the same judge that sentenced Nick Calabresi, who was a mob figure who killed almost a dozen people. He got less time than Rob Blagojevich.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So, I mean, this part of the special that went there, but you did go to jail for eight years. You have no experience. You know, you didn't grow up In a criminal household. You weren't in and out of crime for petty. In and out of prison for petty crimes. You'd never had anything like this before. Can you give us an idea? A sentence aside, how did you personally adjust?

[Rob Blagojevich]

Yeah, by the way, I had clean driving record on top of that. No criminal record, traffic. They did that, right? Look, they did that 14 years and again I took nothing. There were no gold bars, no cash in my house, nothing. No one accused me of that. Political talk, so political hit. They thought I would give in. And when I fought back, that's because, that's why they did what they did and made it a 14 year sentence to bury me, bury the truth and to punish me for having the temerity to fight back in what's supposed to be a free country that gives due process to people. How did I deal with it? Faith, hope and love. You know, it was a hard, hard experience. In that documentary, I think I talk about how, what it was like that first night, you know, they put me in a higher prison where no governor's been. You know, for the first nearly three years I was in prison with grips and bloods and gangster disciples, Sinaloa cartel drug dealers who look up to the drug lord El Chapo like my daughters look up to Taylor Swift. There were murderers in there. I went from a 50,000 square foot governor's mansion to a six foot by eight foot prison cell. It's real prison, like in the movies. No governor's been in a place, 900 something guys, 2% white collar, one governor, me. And no, it was faith, hope and love. And one advantage that you get, and I'm not, I shouldn't call it an advantage, but you got so much time on your hands and you're so alone and you're caught up with disillusionment and fear. Fear for my daughters. They were little girls back then. My wife, who's protecting them. Fear that you'll never get out of this place. I embraced the Bible and read the Bible every day for 2,896 days and far better understand the word of God. And that's what sustained me. The love for my little girls and my wife. The faith and the hope I had that the Bible gave me and the understanding, not only from the Bible, from history books, reading biographies like your books, you know, the difficulties that people go through, the calamities that others have had to go through and how so many of them, great people in history, have been able to turn things around. And because of the calamity and the hardship they've gone through, they've actually been able to plant seeds that later on became catalysts for their comeback, where they ended up doing great things. So I spent my time exercising, working out, reading and hoping, praying and waiting and eventually determined never ever to give in, if for no other reason, because I love my girls, I could never possibly give in or give up. I had to come home. My odyssey had to be long and hard. I understood that. But I had to get back home to them.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And you did. And they stood by you. And President Trump got you out, God bless him. Yep, the Republican president got the Democratic governor of Illinois out. Rod, I cannot wait to see this special Blogo is available now on Fox Nation. It tells the true story. And he's on it. Rob Lukojevich, thanks so much, governor.

[Rob Blagojevich]

Thank you, Brian. Appreciate it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, back in a moment.

Learning something new every day on the Brian Kilmeade show, The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

[Payam Zamani]

How have you prepared your team for the knockouts?

[Brian Kilmeade]

I think it's we are very excited and I think we are well prepared. We know very well that it's going to be a very tough game. It's a final all in and I think we arrive in a very good condition. Yes, we know that we need to perform and if we want to be close to win, we need to perform well. Again, a team that is going to be really tough. They're not going to be flat. Of course. That's Coach Pochettino, coach of the USA men's soccer team who have finished up two and one in the group. First place. So they get the wild card team in a joining group and that'll be Bosnia Herzegovina. And the game's going to be 8 o' clock Eastern Time tonight. 6 o' clock starts the pregame. I cannot tell you how many savvy, smart, unemotional people are just saying they have great hopes for this group and they really believe that this is going to be a game they're going to win. Next up would be Belgium, man. They're going to be thinking revenge for their 52 humiliation in Atlanta and they're capable of winning that. And then I think you're looking at France and Argentina. So if you get that far, all bets are off. I just watched Sweden get crushed by France. I'm telling you, they look like a high school school team compared to it. I know the US Team is better than that. I actually think the US Team is a lot better than Norway, too. Let's just make sure they live up to their ability and win tonight, don't you think?

From high atop FOX News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sewing division, it's Brian Kilmeade.

So glad you're there, everybody. It's the Brian Kilmeade Joe coming your way. We're back at 40th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan from Washington, D.C. where I'll be going back Saturday night, be part of a great coverage of July 4th with the President, United States. They say it's going to be the greatest fireworks show ever. Hope you'll be watching them, but hope you're watching now, too because we stream we we stay archived on on YouTube, YouTube.com @the Brian Kilmeade show. Everybody's talking about it. And you, of course, can see us on FOX Nation. We're stream right now, three fantastic cameras. We're going to be speaking to the founder of One Planet Group, a closely held private equity firm that owns a suite of online technology and media businesses and author of the book Crossing the Desert, the Power of Embracing Life's Difficult Journeys. So it's going to be inspirational and I hopefully and hopefully informational for you. Payam Zamani will be with us. And standing by is also Harry Cole, editor at large of the sun because we know too, it's World cup game number four for the US National Team. They play Bosnia tonight at 8:00 Eastern Time. You're going to be watching that on Fox. So before we get to Harry, let's get to the big three.

[Rob Blagojevich]

Number three, I think that he's appropriately using strategic patience. The Iranians have demonstrated that they only respond to force. They like this kind of no agreement zone that we're in right now.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That is Colonel Mike Jarrigan on evening Ed talks again, going nowhere as Donald Trump listens to all options on Iran, including going all in again. His challenge, keep energy prices down, which where they're heading, but continue to show Iran who's in charge.

[Jonathan Turley]

Number two, what we are witnessing is an independent court, a court that continues to follow principle, not politics. Now, that doesn't mean that you can't be upset with the outcome on things like birthright citizenship.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Jonathan Turley putting in perspective earlier in this show, but also in life, Supreme Court makes some huge decisions and both sides are celebrating and both sides are complaining. But one side never stops complaining and it's not Republicans.

Number one, we got a lot of fire under their asses because for far too long they've just collected paychecks from corporations and wealthy mega donors and haven't really done much. So this movement has a lot of momentum for that reason because people are

desperate for some change really. Hasan Piker, the guy anti American, anti Israel podcaster. Now you are paying attention. It's not just about New York. Socialist latest win in Colorado as the gradual takeover of the Democratic Party continues and we have the results. And let me just inform you too what happened last night. What am I talking about? You probably don't know anything about Colorado politics if you don't live there. Well, Democratic Socialist Malad Quiros, 29 years old, backed by the DSA of course Justice Democrats Bernie Sanders, Hassan Piker defeated 15 term Congresswoman Diana Deget major upset. It went by six points. Kiros, a former lawyer, PhD candidate from Ethiopia ran on rejecting corporate PAC money, rejecting Israel of course. And now she believes Medicare for all and of course taxing the rich, housing for free, all this stuff that is, it cannot live in America where we're currently constructed and I plan on staying currently constructed that way. Hickenlooper survived, but you know who didn't? Another socialist, Manny Rutinel won. Another socialist beat the Democrat got the Democratic nomination over a so called moderate called Shannon Byrd. Now Gabe Evans is in that seat in Colorado and this was supposed to be a seat that Democrats were going to flip. I don't know, it's such a stark difference in somewhat of a purple state at times. You're really going to flip to a socialist who I think should be unwelcome in a party. By the way, Hakeem Jeffries endorsed the other guy and endorsed to get. And it didn't matter. He endorsed two of the three people that won in New York. He got two of the losers. He lost to Mayor Mamdani who has more power than he does. He's supposed to be the next speaker. With me right now is Harry Cole, editor at large at the Sun. Harry, welcome.

[Harry Cole]

Hi Brian, how you doing?

[Brian Kilmeade]

I'm doing good. How do you view first off, what's going on in American politics? You guys have socialism. I mean, are you seeing, is this getting play what's happening here with the rise of these socialists?

[Harry Cole]

Listen, careful what you wish for, Brian, because powerful mayors such as Mandami in London, Andy Burnham, the mayor of Manchester, he's about to become the British prime minister. So it is a, you know, if you look at it as a sort of fringe politics as on the outside, and then suddenly they're poised to take over your country. It's, it could be a Worrying development.

[Brian Kilmeade]

They talk about working class. I'm going about for the working class.

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

But how?

[Brian Kilmeade]

By taking money from other people and telling them that life's not fair and we'll balance the playing field and we'll subsidize or give you housing. I mean, why does that resonate in democracies?

[Harry Cole]

It's a story as old as time, right? You know, you have socialists who say they're going to be for the people and then the only people they actually tax are the working people. People who are more well off that move quickly from New York to Florida, from London to Switzerland or London to Italy. Well, indeed, dare I say, London to America. And they're left with nothing. They're left going bankrupt. They bankrupt their states, they bankrupt their cities, they bankrupt their towns. I mean, how many more times we have to watch this process happen over and over again? It's a warning sign from Britain. Don't do this, guys.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I want to talk about the World cup because it's so much more than soccer. And just from your view, you talk to your countrymen, not only are you guys still alive and showing you can play with anybody, although lose to anybody too, because that's where this tournament has gone. How is America coming off?

[Harry Cole]

Brian, I have to say, I have to admit to you, I am standing on the side of a pitch here in Atlanta, Georgia, about to watch the England take on the Congo. This is an amazing World Cup. It's so good for people to be able to see what America's really like. So many people in Europe are given this sort of ridiculous view of Trump's America as this evil place. Everyone here is having a fantastic time. Long may it continue. And I think that if we continue to win our games of America, continue in their games, England versus America on the 10th of July in Los Angeles. What a better way to celebrate America 250 than the grudge match.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if it's going to happen. The last time they played it was a tie. And Harry, I don't know if you remember, but it looked like the US outplayed you guys in Qatar.

[Harry Cole]

And maybe, maybe, maybe especially having a good run,

[Brian Kilmeade]

this is a much better team. We'll see what happens. I watched the Netherlands get upset. I watched Germany get upset. If anybody's thinking that America can't get upset, you're crazy. Even you guys against the Congo today.

[Harry Cole]

Yeah, no, it's going to be. Look, no matches are given. We saw what happened. Germany go up on Penalties. There's been controversial decisions around the. Sort of the online, the AI referee, the var. But, you know, let's see. Let's see what happens. I really do hope both America and Britain progress, because you guys deserve it. You put on a hell of a tournament. All of my countrymen whom I've seen here, I've been living here for a while now, but all the visitors here are having a fantastic time. I just watched a crowd of English fans discover a Waffle House for the first time here in Georgia, and I have to say, the looks on their faces was quite something.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Harry, you always got it. You understand what this country has to offer. You know what I like most about it? We're not trying. We're just. Whether you like it or not, this is Dallas. This is Los Angeles. This is Seattle, this is New York. There's no tour. You know, I'm not saying that. Only go to these places and stay with my guide. And I'm gonna give. I'm gonna put you in a gift shop to tell you, you know, to buy. I love New York stickers. It's. Whatever happens, happens. And it's just working. So I'm not sure where everyone came from, but it's just working.

[Harry Cole]

Every other country, when they host a World cup or the Olympics or a big sporting, international sporting event, you have to spend years building. Building stadiums, building infrastructure. You guys are just kind of. To be fair with, if England were put up a World cup, we could probably do it with our Premier League stadiums. It's amazing to see. I mean, how quickly they've turned around. Baseball stadiums, football stadiums, interstellar stadiums.

[Rob Blagojevich]

I'm here.

[Harry Cole]

And, yeah, as I said, I'm here. Atlanta, Georgia, at the Mercedes Stadium. It's a. It's a hell of a structure, and lots of lines are being blown right now.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, I want you to hear what Colin Farrell said last night with James Corden on Fox. Cut 44, because you were at the

[Payam Zamani]

L. A Stadium for the game when USA faced Turkey.

[Karl Rove]

Turkey.

[Colonel Mike Jarrigan]

Yeah.

[Harry Cole]

Yeah.

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

How was it?

[Brian Kilmeade]

How was that experience?

Oh, I'd never been to the sofa. I was exquisite, breathtaking. Yeah.

[Payam Zamani]

And the atmosphere was amazing.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And my son, at one stage, Henry, we went together.

He turned to me at one stage, he said that. I can't believe we're at a World cup match.

And it wasn't that moment that, you know, sometimes you.

You have to stop and just.

Just take a mental picture. I realize what you're engaged with in the moment. It was that.

[Payam Zamani]

And there was the two giant flags yeah, the two giant flags, the big

[Brian Kilmeade]

statue, pomp and circumstance everywhere.

And I just realized I've been watching World cup since I was six. Okay, go ahead. Do we lose that?

[Harry Cole]

No. I was going to say, Brian, it's just nice to see people that are proud of their country. Look at your strip, look at your stadiums. Look at your airport. Stepped out in your flags. It's too long. Too long. People in Britain and people in Europe have been told to be ashamed of their countries. We're only really allowed to show it during international sporting events. What I love about America is that you wear your flag on your sleeve at all times, not just when you're picking the ball.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I wanted to bring you to this story and I know I want to get you to the game, but. Paris Deputy Mayor Audrey Pulver blamed the United States greenhouse gas emissions for contributing to the deadly heat wave affecting France. Her comments came after American journalists and social media users mock Paris for not having widespread air conditioning. In an Instagram post, Pulver wrote that US as the world's second largest greenhouse gas emitter, bears a significant responsibility for global warming. She added that American cities being 90% air conditioned are not unrelated to the problem. So this is a new one. So you guys can't, they can't build a air or you put an air conditioner in a window over there because their grid can't handle it and it's our fault.

[Harry Cole]

It's just gibberish, isn't it? More people die of heat stroke in heat waves during, in Europe in a summer than dying gun time in America. And they have the ball. A thousand people have died in France in the last four weeks from heat stroke. If they had ac, some of those people would definitely, definitely be alive. And it's not just the infrastructure problem, it's the fact, it's the legislator.

[Rob Blagojevich]

Brian.

[Harry Cole]

It is illegal in certain places, in certain European countries to put AC in this sort of suicidal wokeness. But suddenly this do gooding that we're saving the planet is literally killing their people. People have had enough of this. It is absurd. And for the socialist deputy mayor of Paris, I always say, watch out for those socialist men. They'll get you. It is it begging belief. It really is.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I just have to get. We have to sober up here. And with number one, we're all waking out of the green mirage that everyone was forced to deal with. And nuclear energy, whatever you want, get good, get renewables, whatever you do, but you can't destroy your economy in doing it. Harry Cole, thanks so much. Enter in Large of the sun. Enjoy the game, Harry. Hopefully we talk again and we both enjoy weekend. You got it, Sir. We'll come back. 1 866-40-87669 I'll get your take on. I don't know, looking up to 250. What are you going to be doing? Number two is when it comes to the World cup, are you new to soccer? You still out on this? We had a live show today on Fox and Friends and I couldn't believe people I was talking to who were saying, I never watched soccer before, I never thought I watched. I changed my mind. But I also read people that say, I can't get into it. I watch it just so boring. And that's fine. But just know this soccer is changing his perception not because of what's on the field. I think it's a great product, but because of how the fans are reacting to us off the field. And what do you think about that? Because I watched Bill Maher and I'll play it again today. And he just says people are rediscovering America through the eyes of people visiting. And they're soccer fans. And here's the other thing. There's a procession among soccer fans. They get drunk and they beat each other up and they cause fights and havoc and they're drinking, but there's no violence. I've been to now three World cup games, one in Los Angeles and two in New York. There is absolutely zero hostility. There's nobody even getting mad that the lines are long. The information that's being given out by volunteers, I go to those stadiums, I see the way the Knicks fans are treated, the Giant and Jet fans are treated. It's like, stand over here. Why are you parking here? We're going to give you a ticket. I'm going to tow you out of here. Is a totally different approach with this soccer. And FIFA deserves some credit for that a lot. And so do the people that, that are volunteering, helping out. Because I think the world realizes that we're on stage right now and we want to put on a good show. Back in a moment.

Politics, current events and news that affects you. Brian's got a lot more to say. Stay with Brian Kilmer, The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

Hey, we are back. Yesterday they had hearings with these angel bombs trying to get people's, get it through people's heads that sanctuary cities are dangerous. So and it is dangerous to people. And for those people who say, well, only 3% that people are picking up on homeland Security are criminals. Just not true. 70% have been charged or about to be charged or are being examined to be charged for some type of criminal activity. And you're here illegally. You already broke the law. Why aren't people more concerned about that? Instead, they're trying to protect illegal immigrants and push back against what the Supreme Court has ruled. I want you to hear this exchange between Mike Lawler and Jamie Raskin, who just lives to impeach, never has done anything productive. Listen to this.

[Karl Rove]

The same outrage you feel about Renee

[Rob Blagojevich]

Good and Alex Pretty, about Sheridan Gorman's

[Jonathan Turley]

and Lake and Riley and every angel

[Karl Rove]

family in this country.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I do feel that outrageous. You do not.

[Rob Blagojevich]

Because if you did

[Brian Kilmeade]

the outrage about Alex, you should be, should be ashamed. You should get the hell out of here. You don't understand the rules. You don't understand the Constitution, Mr. Full of Disgrace supporting the whole. So all they want to do is talk about those, those activists that sadly lost their lives in a battle with ice. A lot of it had to do with the sanctuary cities that prevented cops from helping out. We're in the perimeter on that. Instead of ever focusing on the thousands of people who lost loved ones due to the hands of illegal immigrants because Joe Biden brought. And Joe Biden and others have opened up the back door. Dave, you're in Tallahassee. Hey, Dave.

Hello.

[Jonathan Turley]

Have you ever mentioned in regards to the primaries, you've had incumbent Democrats that have been voted out by supposedly socialist Democrats and the incumbent Democrats have been against the Save America act, against illegal

[Brian Kilmeade]

voting and voter fraud.

[Jonathan Turley]

Now are the Democrats that have been doing this, they're going to start thinking that maybe the chickens are coming home to roost.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I don't think you're gonna draw those lines. I really don't. What I would love to see President Trump do, Dave, I would like him to message saying, I'm not doing this for Republicans. I just want the right person to win. I just wanna make sure everybody's vote is not canceled out by an illegal immigrant. I wanna make sure that we're not finding out that someone's putting their hands on the scale even more powerful than the politicians that are running and he should message that way. But it really seems logical that this voter ID should pass. Chris in New York. Hey, Chris.

[Jonathan Turley]

Good morning, Brian. Your comment that you made before about socialist Democrats not wanting a big tent Democratic Party is spot on. I experienced it myself going back 12 and a half, 13 years ago after a being a moderate fiscal conservative Democrat, I flipped a red leaning local elected official position. And as soon as I got in office, there was a bunch of militant progressives plotting against me behind my back in my county that didn't even live in my district. And then when I tried getting back in office years later after being out for a prom, they put the socialist candidate was had his campaign illegally funded against me. And I took the Working Families Party line through a writing campaign twice. But they initially endorsed me a couple times, three times. And I received phone calls from the heads of the Working Families Party telling me they'd give me anything I needed, you know, whatever I needed.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Chris, you're getting a little muffled, but I would say that Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer are now the most powerful Democrats and the least popular Democrats. Their endorsement actually is a repellent to the voters for Democratic voters. And the extremists are taking over. I'm telling you right now what bothers me most. I'm going to play this when we get back, guys. They're supposed to be moderate. Jason Crow came out and said, well, the voters have spoken, everyone's got an opinion. It's good we have primaries in order for people to run. Excuse me, they don't want to be Democrats. They don't believe anything. You believe almost anything. And they're running people like you out of your party. So wake up. It's not Republicans that are you. Your problem is because you don't have the courage, even though you're a military veteran, to stand up to the extremists.

He's so busy he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Kilmeade.

[Colonel Mike Jarrigan]

The Iranians have not hit ships in the last couple of weeks and the oil is flowing in the straits, the Hormuz, in part because the President made very clear that if the Iranians hit ships, we were going to hit back. So, you know, it's going to take sometimes the carrot and the stick here. But Laura, I actually think that the United States is in a great position. However the negotiation ultimately shakes out, if the negotiation is successful, which obviously we want it to be successful, you have an Iran that is permanently transformed, that's not funding regionals, terrorism and instability, that has permanently given up on any nuclear weapons ambition, and that as a result is welcomed back into the world economy. That's a great outcome for the American people. It's a great outcome for the whole region.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But the vice President, I think, is painting with rose colored glasses because ever since that MOU has been signed, the Iranians have said the exact opposite of what the vice President has presented. Number one, that the Strait of Hormuz, they said it's going to be open. Yeah, it's open, but they say it's going to be under their management and they will pay fees. Hezbollah, well, they're going to continue to be funded. And these demanding that it's Israel that leave Lebanon. We had no such agreement. Israel certainly hasn't signed on to that. And then when it comes to their frozen funds, they expect them to be unfrozen and can sell immediately oil on the open market, on market rates. The good news is, according to the Treasury Secretary, no one's buying it because they think they're going to end up sanctioned again. So joining us now is a man that left is Iran got out of there, Payam Zamani. He's founder of One Planet Group, a closely held private equity firm that owns a suite of online technology and media businesses, and author of the book Crossing the Desert, the Power of Embracing Life's Difficult Journeys. Payam, well, thanks so much for coming on.

[Payam Zamani]

Thank you, Brian. It's good to be here.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So, first off, tell everyone your story. Why'd you leave Iran?

[Payam Zamani]

I was born in a Baha' I family, and Baha' is were heavily persecuted by the Iranian government.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And Baha' I is what?

[Payam Zamani]

Baha' I faith is one of the newest religions in the world. We believe in all the religions of the past, but we believe in what we call a progressive revelation, meaning that we think that God and religions represent different chapters of a book, and the chapters will continue to be written. So we believe in Jesus Christ, we believe in Moses, but we also believe that there will always be a new prophet. The new spirit will come back.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right, so they didn't like that. So you said, I'm out.

[Payam Zamani]

They didn't like that. I escaped Iran through the border. I was smuggled to Pakistan, and I ultimately received asylum from the US And I talk about this in my book that when I went to the US Embassy in Islamabad, that's the first time I felt dignity. That was the first time I felt that somebody cared for me. They allowed me in, they gave me an interview, and they ultimately accepted my story and gave me refugee status.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What year was that?

[Payam Zamani]

It was in 1988 that I came to the U.S. why do you think

[Brian Kilmeade]

it was your story? Why do you think it was looked at as authentic and worthy of coming here? Did they tell you?

[Colonel Mike Jarrigan]

Yeah.

[Payam Zamani]

So this was during the Ronald Reagan era, and Ronald Reagan understood the plight of Baha' Is in Iran.

[Harry Cole]

Very well.

[Payam Zamani]

And he had very much an open door policy for Baha'. Is, and so he stood up for the. For the rights of Baha' Is in Iran, and he allowed a lot of Baha' Is to gain asylum in the

[Brian Kilmeade]

US So how soon to. When you got here to America, did you. You start feeling the benefits of free enterprise?

[Payam Zamani]

I got the job within 20 days at 17. At the age of 17, I got a job at a silkscreen printing and a pizza place. I had two jobs. And so, I mean, immediately I felt the freedom, the fact that I could just openly talk about my faith and not be afraid of what the Revolutionary Guards would do to me.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right.

So why did you adjust so well?

[Payam Zamani]

You know, when I arrived in the us I landed in San Francisco, but I ended up living in Modesto, California, where there were no Iranians. And I think that helped the fact that I had to become an American. I had no choice, and I had to learn the language. I did not speak English when I arrived. So I think that often you see immigrants, they're kind of like living together in close proximity in one neighborhood and not. Not living like that, I think was really helpful.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So did you go on to college?

[Payam Zamani]

I had one year of high school left. I finished that. Then I went to Modesto Junior College and I went to UC Davis.

[Brian Kilmeade]

UC Davis. And that's where Ken o' Brien went to school and was outstanding quarterback for the jets for years.

[Payam Zamani]

That's right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But looking at now, you jumped in and you became an entrepreneur.

[Payam Zamani]

Yeah, you know, lots of things aligned that that happened. I always talk about this, that I became an entrepreneur, but I took advantage of a foundation that was built over the last couple hundred years. So it's not like I did on my own. There was something available for me and I was able to take advantage of that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

How?

[Payam Zamani]

Well, you know, you think about the foundation that the US represents. That foundation was built over a couple couple hundred years. And my brother and I who came to the U.S. together, we were right at the beginning of something we did not even really truly appreciate, and that was the Internet and the revolution that that caused. So we built the first online car buying service in 1994, when few people were even online. And against all odds, we made great people. I did not have a Rolodex. I did not know people in this country. They got to know us because of what we were building. And ultimately those good people became good mentors. And I was able, with my brother, take the company public in 1999.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And you said everything was going Good. Into what? You also saw the risks in capitalism too.

Yeah.

[Payam Zamani]

So some of us will remember those days that a lot of companies went public, but then many of those companies did not do very well. And as a publicly traded entity, some did not deserve to do well, but some did not do well because bankers had done less than honest things that caused those companies.

[Brian Kilmeade]

2008, the whole collapse.

[Payam Zamani]

Yeah, well, 2001, April of 2001, that was the first collapse.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The first year with George W. Bush just took over and the Internet bubble burst.

[Payam Zamani]

So when I look at that and what some of the banks at that point did to make these stock prices go up unnaturally and then how that affected the companies and of course the shareholders, it really made me think that what about capitalism can potentially be. Can evolve, you know, and this country has been a country that has continued to learn from its past. So how could the way that we practice capitalism can evolve?

[Brian Kilmeade]

So we had the regulation come in. Were you in support of that?

[Payam Zamani]

I was not. And the reason for that, I think, is because the regulations really made it very difficult for small companies to gain access to public markets. It was, in a sense, better for big companies. So entrepreneurs and smaller companies, they were put in the penalty box. So that did not, I think, that really help foster entrepreneurship.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So how did you remake yourself and where did you go from there?

[Payam Zamani]

So I did well from all the web, it wasn't as well as I thought it would be, but I've had my failures also. I've started companies that did not survive. But I ultimately founded a company called Buyer Link that's still around today, and then One Planet Group that owns all the businesses that I operate. But I've always been very much of an online marketing guy, that those are the technologies and platforms that I built and I rebuilt. And that's what you do well in America. It's always available.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Did you insert your moral code into that?

[Payam Zamani]

I did. And you know, I call it spiritual capitalism, but frankly I use that term. Many companies in the US are really well run. I mean, look at, you know, Chick Fil A. I think they have really a good code of conduct and they run a great business. So, you know, we came up with our own codes and we call it spiritual capitalism, which really at its core means that every human being is created noble and. And we should not look at them just as a token of economic value. There is much greater relationship between you and I than just this material relationship.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah.

[Colonel Mike Jarrigan]

So.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And what do you want people to know about your story and take from

[Payam Zamani]

your story, to be honest with you, you know, given that we're just a few days away from 4th of July and the 250th anniversary, it's a story of hope that this country represents. And that to me is the most valuable thing. You know, we live in an era that extreme partisanship is really taking its toll on the country. And many Americans unfortunately don't truly realize the hope that this country represents to the rest of the world. And I hope they will get it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You know, if you don't believe, if people don't believe, you pay him. Maybe they should just look at the facts. How many people are trying to sneak out of here? Nobody. You want to leave, you can leave in a second. I don't think you could do that in China, you can't do that in Russia. You know, you can't do it in these. In Iran, you certainly risked your life in doing it. So there's only people trying to get in here. And the big debate is now try to get in the right way, but it's people that want to get in. If it's such a repellent, why is this happening?

[Payam Zamani]

Yeah, I mean, talking about people wanting to get in, I tell you this, that as a kid growing up in Iran in the 1980s when the long eight year war was going on with Iraq, I had hope in one country. And that hope was not in Saudi Arabia, China or Russia. It was in the US I believe that ultimately US will stand up for the good of humanity. Today is no different that who is the replacement for this country. And to me that is a bit of a spiritual destiny that this country has and we should embrace it, we should love it. That's a big deal when humanity puts its hope in us.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So what do you think? You could almost have two views. You're an American.

[Payam Zamani]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

At the same time, you know what it's like not to be. And you tell a lot of people that you know, aren't. So what is the view on the outside of our country as opposed to some people that might be taking the country for granted?

[Payam Zamani]

I think a lot of people outside the country, they don't get it. How much many people in the country, in the US can in a sense, I don't want to use the word hate, but dislike their own system, their own country. They don't get that because they feel that some of us are almost too spoiled. We have not seen the alternative.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That's just. It's almost human nature, isn't it? You don't know what you have if you always had it.

[Payam Zamani]

That's right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And that's why I remember reading, I'm reading about the War of 1812 and the British are threatening and the older, they're in their 50s now, those parents are saying, where's the spirit of 76? Where's that spirit that got the revolution? So 30 years later, people worried that we're losing that sense of what it means to be an American and we would not be ready for that war and we'd have to rally in the middle of that war. So sometimes you need a crisis to push you to the point where you understand what you have when it's being threatened.

[Payam Zamani]

That's absolutely true. Now, this doesn't mean that this country is perfect. Of course it's not. But this country has always attempted to make itself better. And I think the right structure, the right foundation exists from the beginning for this country to continue to evolve and, and most countries in the world just simply don't have.

[Brian Kilmeade]

How closely are you watching what's happening with Iran?

[Payam Zamani]

Very closely.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Why?

[Payam Zamani]

You know, I get emotional thinking about 92 million people suffering and the youth of Iran suffering for so many years. And frankly, I'm also really saddened that we are getting a better nuclear deal done. That has become our focus rather than also worrying about the tens of millions of people.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you said the goalie from Iran, the starting goalie from Iran is in jail.

[Colonel Mike Jarrigan]

Why?

[Payam Zamani]

Well, because if you remember, in January of this year, about 40,000 Iranians were massacred by the government just because they were protesting on the streets. And the goalkeeper of the national team, he came out in support of the protesters. Well, he hasn't been found since then. Well, we know he's jailed and he's not the only one. The Iranian government has executed over 120 of its athletes. And he's not the only one, by the way, who's in jail today. There are many of. I think there are three of the national team members that are in jail. So it is, it really hits hard.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah.

I want you to hear in terms of where we go now and what the agreement's gonna look like, here's what General Keane recommends we do. Cut 40. But my suggestion is we've got to roll up our sleeves and make sure who we're dealing to. The people are talking nice to us and they've given us an expectation that this is all going to work out. And at the same time, we have hardliners and true policymakers taking a completely different approach. I think it's less about the domestic audience, as some would suggest, and it's more about who they really are. So we're wondering where we go from here. I think the midterms have a lot to do with why the President took his foot off the gas. What do you think?

[Payam Zamani]

Maybe, I don't know. But what I can tell you is that trust can never be a clause in a contract. You cannot trust this country to change. Can you ask a murderer in court that, okay, we'll sign the document that you will never kill again? That's what we are asking this government to do. Their ideology is what it is. And let's not forget we killed the Supreme Leader's father, the previous supreme leader, this country and Israel, they killed that person. Thinking that these guys don't wanna take revenge. It's kinda naive, right?

[Brian Kilmeade]

In fact, I saw one cover in the newspaper calling for the assassination of Trump yesterday.

[Payam Zamani]

Yeah, I mean, people, they tell you who they are and you know, in the west we should choose to listen.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. And, and is there a chance of getting weapons to the population? I mean, is there an easy way to do that or do you think that we could pull that off? Wouldn't that be the key to this?

[Payam Zamani]

I mean, I honestly don't know. I think that Iranians deserve a better future for the country for, you know, for them. And they can represent, they can also be hope to the world. They have, I mean, Iranians have suffered so much and they've been resilient. That the people of Iran, how that will come about, I really don't know.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, congratulations on the book. Go out there and pick it up. Crossing the Desert, the Power of Embracing Life's Difficult Journeys. Parma, thanks so much. Parma Zamani, founder of the One Planet Group. Appreciate seeing you.

[Payam Zamani]

Thank you, Brian.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Back in a moment.

Newsmakers and news breakers hear it first on the Brian Kilmeade Show. Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kilmeade show.

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

And.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Mexican Magnificence. The defenders in trouble. It's going Mexico's way. Raul Jimenez. It's World cup and it's ending in tears for Ecuador. And just like that, the is broken. There will be a fifth game and one last for Mexico. And there you go. Ecuador, who played so well to beat Germany in the last game to advance to the knockout round, got knocked out themselves in Mexico. And then you ought to watch. Their celebration is just amazing. 100,000 people in Azteca Stadium, Mexico, doing a fantastic job, authoring a fantastic run too. And you see a lot of that. So no more Netherlands, no more Germany, no more Ecuador. You almost had no more Brazil. They almost lost to Japan, who played exceedingly well. They have an unbelievable their fitness is off the charts. So Brazil survives. So we'll see what happens to them next. I believe they play NORWAY and the U.S. plays tonight. The U.S. plays tonight against Bosia Herzegovina and it's going to be a game in which the US should win. Move on. And then you play the winner of Belgium and Senegal. Senegal, really tough team, but Belgium better, most likely Belgium. And after that I think it's either France or Argentina, but who cares? Get to that point. It'll be great. What I love is you're listening to me right now and probably 80% of you never played soccer. But now everyone's glued in and I'll give you an example. I never played hockey, but I didn't know anybody was not zoned in. When the USA team was playing for the gold medal against Canada, they were the number. They were the hottest thing in the world and in the country and brought out the 1980 team and everyone like that. But they have brought up this to me. They said that if you want to Quantify what the 1980 Olympic team did as a bunch of amateurs playing pros in the right with the Soviet Union, that upset was tremendous. They say for the US to win the World cup would be a bigger upset. That's how unlikely it is. But keep in mind we've got 12 players playing at the highest level, including a forward that is now in Balcon who is now being recruited by Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspurs and psg. That's how good he has been for playing for America and how impressive he's been on the global stage. Look, you could do it here, you could do it anywhere. So keep in mind too, I'm coming up on July 11th, they're going to be going to Pensacola, Florida. It's a big, big, big military area. History Liberty laughs I'm going to be bringing history to life in a patriotic, inspirational way right after the 4th of July. I hope to see everybody out there briankilme.com for tickets. And then in the fall that'll be in Clearwater, Florida, going to be in St. Louis, Missouri, going to be in Red Bank, New Jersey, as well as Westbury, Long island, in Jacksonville. So I want to meet you in person. VIP opportunities. We'll be talking about all that, maybe even soccer, when we meet.

From the FOX News radio studios in Midtown Manhattan. It's the fastest growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmeade,

so glad you there? It's a Brian Kilmeade show back in New York after a brief visit. Two days in Washington, D.C. going back there Saturday night for special Fourth of July coverage. Karl Rove is standing by. Congressman Michael McCall is going to be with this chairman emeritus of foreign affairs. He's going over to Ukraine soon. By the way, if you have to check out what's happening in Russia. Almost every major city is now in Ukraine's, within Crane's, Ukraine's reach. And oil refineries have been hit so bad, their, their energy manufacturing agencies have been been busted up so bad the lines go on for miles just to fill up their car. Fights are breaking out in Russia. For those people who say they're immune, Russia is immune for the most part in major cities from this war. Not anymore. Four years in Russia is beginning to fall apart. But they still have a lot of rockets and they can make their own drones. So before we get to Carl, let's get to the big three.

[Rob Blagojevich]

Number three, I think that he's appropriately using strategic patience. The Iranians have demonstrated that they only respond to force.

[Brian Kilmeade]

They like this kind of no agreement

[Rob Blagojevich]

zone that we're in right now.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I think so too. Talks growing, going nowhere as Trump listens to all options in Iran. His challenge keep prices, his counts is to keep prices down but continue to show Iran, Iran is not in charge.

[Jonathan Turley]

Number two, what we are witnessing is an independent court, a court that continues to follow principle, not politics. Now that doesn't mean that you can't be upset with the outcome on things

[Brian Kilmeade]

like birthright citizenship, that is Jonathan Turley, Supreme Court makes some huge decisions and both sides are celebrating and one side's non stop complaining.

Number one, we got a lot of fire under their asses because for far too long they've just collected paychecks from corporations and wealthy mega donors and haven't really done much. So this movement has a lot of momentum for that reason because people are

desperate for some change. That's Hasan Piker.

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

Really.

[Brian Kilmeade]

He's over in Denver, but he is celebrating because the reviled podcaster is powerful and his socialists are winning. Now, are you paying attention, America and Democrats? Because the socialists are not just winning in the blue bubble of New York. Karl Rove has always been paying attention, joins us now. Carl, what are you taking away from the fact that Colorado had some had two socialists do extremely well yesterday. And Michael Bennett got knocked off by an attorney general and established who wanted to be the next governor. And he's pretty much an established, he calls himself a Moderate. I never see him voting for anything conservative. Your thoughts about what took place?

[Karl Rove]

Well, first of all, I think you got to differentiate between the two results in Colorado in the congressional races. One is in a district that is essentially the city of Denver, most of the city of Denver, which may surprise people, but it's a very liberal town. And the other one was in a very closely fought competitive congressional district to the north and slightly east of Denver, the northeast part of of the Denver metro area and then heads up up towards the Wyoming border. One of them is to is shouldn't be a surprise. I mean, where the DSA has succeeded are in very liberal districts. I'm going to test your knowledge in New York. What percentage of the vote do you think Donald Trump got in the 7th, 10th and 13th congressional districts, the three districts where DSA challengers won the nomination for Congress?

[Brian Kilmeade]

New, right?

[Karl Rove]

Oh yeah, seventh.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, I would say about 20%.

[Karl Rove]

Oh really? How about you're close with one of them. In the 7th district it is 19.3%. In the 10th district it is 14.1%. And in the 13th district is 11.1. Now the country is we've voted 49.8 for Trump, 48.3 for Harris. So a 1.5% differential between the two. In the 7th district there was a 60 point difference. In the 10th there was a 71 point difference. And in the 13th there's a 77 point district. These are not representative of where the country is. And we're going to see more Democratic socialist victories in these very far left wing congressional districts like the district in Denver. But the interesting thing is going to be how are they going to fare in the general election in the 8th district? Or they're going to go up against Gabe Evans, a thoughtful, productive, hard working, moderately conservative Republican in a district that was basically won by Donald Trump by two points. The DSA can win primaries in places like the 7th, 10th, 13th and the 1st of Colorado, but I think it's going to be a real test of their polling power to see how well they do in in the 8th district of Colorado and also in states like Maine and Michigan. If they nominate Al Saheed in Michigan, I think the Republicans have an excellent chance to swipe a Democratic senatorial seat.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Okay, he said a few things. The one that won the progressive state candidate Manny Rutinel won that nomination to go against Gabe Evans. And the Cook Report says that was likely to flip. That was one of the best chances that the Democrats had to flip that seat. I think it's Less likely, but not zero lightly when Denver. This is this Diane DeGette, who has been representing Denver since 1997, this district, but lost substantially because the DSA stepped up. Now, I expect some moderates to step up. Like, I don't know if you saw Tom Suozzi on our Fox and Friends on Thursday. He came out and said, look, I'm a capitalist and I don't hate Israel. And 17 or 14 others said the same thing. I thought Congressman Jason Roe would say the same thing as a veteran. Here's what he said. Cut five.

[Jonathan Turley]

That's why we have primaries, right?

[Brian Kilmeade]

That's why primary voters are able to

[Jonathan Turley]

decide, you know, are you taking AIPAC money or not?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Like, I don't, for example.

[Jonathan Turley]

I just, I don't think it's the right thing to do.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And then you have to figure out,

[Jonathan Turley]

how do you support your entire population? How do you support your entire constituency?

[Brian Kilmeade]

How do you create a safe space

for one of the most diverse communities in the country?

What's he even talking about? Number one, he doesn't take AIPAC money, okay? Now you just want to be anti.

[Karl Rove]

Maybe he doesn't take PAC money at all. I mean, if you're not going to take AIPAC money, you're either doing it because you don't want to take any PAC money at all, in which case, I salute your honesty and your steadfastness, or because you don't want to take it from Jews, in which case, you know, you're scared of your left.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Sounds like the latter. It sounds like the latter, else you would have said, I don't take that.

[Karl Rove]

It sure does.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So that was a moderate, Carl, What I thought, be like someone who declares he's a moderate, but obviously they're not showing the courage that you would think a veteran would have. Hakeem Jeffries will not call him out. Chuck Schumer will now call them out. They probably the two least popular Democrats these days. Their endorsement means nothing.

[Karl Rove]

Well, again, I'm not certain I agree with that. Their endorsement means something. Think about it. What did. What did Schumer do? He got the candidate he wanted in Alaska. He got the candidate he wanted in Ohio. He got the candidate that he wanted in Texas. He got the candidate he wanted in Montana. He helped engineer a situation where they have the Democrats have the independent candidate they want in Nebraska. And what did the. What did the left do? The left left basically turned a seat that they could have flipped in Maine into one where the latest poll has Susan Collins up by three.

[Brian Kilmeade]

He wanted the Government.

[Karl Rove]

Remember this is she never led a single poll six years ago and won by eight. There are a bunch of shy Susan voters in Maine in my opinion. But I mean, I love how these people are beating their chest. Oh, congratulations, you got your person nominated in a district where Donald Trump got 11% of the vote and the Democrats ran a mere 77 point points ahead of the Republicans in the race for the presidency. Do you think you're going to be able to translate that to the rest of the country?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, let me ask some if you have that guy Christopher Raab over in Philadelphia in Pennsylvania, he's an avowed socialist radical. And then you have also you mentioned Abdul. Abdul, yeah. El said whatever it is, he's up likely to win that primary. He's winning in almost all the primaries. But head to head with Mike Rogers, it's one or two points depending on what poll you look at. How does that even close?

[Karl Rove]

Well, two things. One is first of all he's ahead because there's a three way race. And second of all he's ahead of, he's close to Rogers today because Rogers is laying behind the log building his resources and the, and all of the public attention is on the Democratic nominee. So I think that's going to change after, after the primary and he's going to be held to account in a general election for comments that his opponents either cannot or will not hold him to account for.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So Diane DeGette was endorsed by Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer wanted the sitting governor of Maine. So they were rebuked on both counts. Hakeem Jeffries name was brought up in one of the victory parties. He was booed and Chuck Schumer tried to walk in a parade and was heckled. I'm not used to seeing that for the, for those two guys, are you?

[Karl Rove]

No. And it's a sign of how disruptive the Democratic Party is. And you know, as an observer, I'm bemused. As a Republican and a conservative, I'm thrilled. But you know, the Democrats are going to have to confront their hard left and you know, the people who understand that the Democrats are not going to be the majority party or win in 2028, the White House, if they keep going far left are the smart people in that party. I mean, again, I repeat, do you really think that somebody who, you know, wins in the district that is where Donald Trump lost by 77 points, you know, that's a district that is far left. Do you think that the person who wins that kind of District in a Democratic primary where less than a third of the votes, you know, the primary vote total was less than a third of the total amount of votes cast in the presidential election. I mean, we're talking about a minority of a minority, you know, a slim majority of a minority winning in these congressional races in districts that are far left and they're not going to elect a Republican. That's not what America. That's not how you win an election in America by nominating people who can only win in that kind of turf.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So when you talk about the Supreme Court decision, the one on campaign finance, where it said Republicans wanted to make sure that there would be additional. Can you stop me here? If you understand it differently, they can communicate with the RNC, the candidate, and with super PACs, and maybe raise the amount of money that they can bring into a campaign. How does that affect a guy? How does it affect a campaign?

[Karl Rove]

Well, first of all, I applaud it because it strengthens parties. Citizens United held that money is speech, which is right at that point, there was only one kind of corporation in America that was allowed to participate openly in political campaigns. Labor unions. You know, labor unions put a little bit of money in from their PACs, the voluntary contributions of their members. Virtually, you know, the lion's share of the money they spent in political campaigns was taken out of their corporate treasuries. Nobody volunteered to give that money to politics. They just took it out of the pockets of the of their members through mandatory dues and then turned around and spent it on politics. Citizens United said everybody can spend whatever they want to spend as long as they are not in coordination with the campaigns. This decision said that political parties, the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, can coordinate with candidates and can spend more money on their behalves. It held that the limits on the political parties spending money was unconstitutional because again, money is speech. Now this doesn't mean that the parties can take $10 million from a donor and spend it. The limits on how much you can contribute to a party still, it was the limit on how much you can spend on behalf of the candidates of your party that was lifted.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So how does that affect the super PACs?

[Karl Rove]

Well, look, I helped found one of one of the early super PACs on the Republican side. Ed Gillespie and I in 2010 formed American Crossroads Senate Leadership Fund. So, you know, I understand the importance of super PACs. I also understand their danger. You know, they are independent entities generally run by consultants for the consultants with little or no oversight. So in the case of American Crossroads Senate Leadership Fund. We said, we're going to have an independent board that's going to set compensation. Nobody who works for the super PAC can be paid under the table by any vendor. There has to be, you know, an annual audit, et cetera. That's not how most of these super PACs are run. And so while I think I understand their importance and believe that they have a role, I like it when the parties have a bigger role because the parties are elected. In the case of the Republican Party, if the president is Republican, they generally pick who the chairman is, but otherwise it's selected by the state chairman, national committee man, and committee woman from every one of the states and territories, 160 some odd people, and we can hold them accountable. And they have to be publicly audited and we see their reports and there are people looking over their shoulders. So I'm more in favor of strengthening parties. I like the fact that in the 1940s and 50s and 60s and 70s, before we started passing these campaign spending limits, that parties were stronger. I think that both political parties were better when they were led by people who said, I've got authority, I've got resources, and I'm going to deploy them on behalf of candidates and causes that I believe will help us win. That's a lot different than we have today with the super PACs where basically is. I'm a consultant. Let me get a fundraiser. We'll go out and raise a bunch of money, and I get to be in charge of spending it, and I get to be in charge of determining how much I get paid for that. I cannot tell you how many super PACs I've seen in which the amount of money the consultants are charging is simply irresponsible.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Carl, we only have two minutes left, but I'm watching this civil war go on with the Democratic Party, and they got. They want to put a nominee out there, likely AOC for president, maybe more. Do you think Republicans are going to go through something similar in 2018 when Trump's gone?

[Karl Rove]

I don't think it will be, yes, because every time you have somebody new, whether it's, you know, Eisenhower leaving, you know, Jeff Ford leaving, you know, Reagan leaving. I mean, remember, Reagan was very popular in 1988, and yet his vice president, George H.W. bush, had a primary season and had to win. And I think Reagan wisely waited until September of 1988 to endorse George H.W. w. Bush. I thought that was smart. It was good for Bush, it was good for Reagan. But, yeah, I think we're going to have a battle in 28. And the president, I think, is going to make the mistake of thinking that it is better for his cause and his reputation and his role in history to pick who his nominee, who the party's nominee ought to be.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But Carl, that's so interesting. I forgot about that because Eisenhower didn't do much for Nixon. I remember. I wouldn't remember. I read. And then Reagan, Bush. I don't. I didn't recall. But. But you don't think it would be insulting for the President not to back his own vice president?

[Karl Rove]

Presidential elections are constantly one of two things. They are change or more of the same. And Reagan was smart enough to understand that after an eight year run which left him with popularity, his personal approval rating in 1988 was in the 60s, that still the country wanted some kind of a change. And it was one thing for him to run for reelection in 84 and say, you're going to get more of the same from me. But you know, look, there's a reason why in the history of the United States, only two vice presidents have succeeded the President under whom they served, Martin Van Buren and George H.W. bush. It's difficult to do because the constant desire of the American people is change.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, it's interesting because I know Bill Clinton, I assume he would have endorsed Gore, but Gore wanted no part of him at the time. And Carl, unfortunately I have to leave it there. Just fascinating to talk to you about this. Interesting times. And I can't wait for that RNC midterm convention another time for Karl Rove and I to get together in Dallas, Texas. Yes, back. Thanks so much, Carl. Back in a moment.

It's Brian Kilmeade. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Kilma made.

[Colonel Mike Jarrigan]

Well, one of the things we're going to have to do is just continue to enforce the border. Laura, this is a very disappointing ruling from the Supreme Court. Of course, we respect it, but we also think that it was a major, major mistake, as Justices Alito and Thomas pointed out. You know, one of the things that might invite Laura is people to come here quite literally on a vacation, give birth, and then all of a sudden the child and their family have the full benefits of American citizenship. It's just a preposterous ruling. And the absurdity of that outcome suggests why the Supreme Court should have went the other way.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So without the vice President responding to the fact that on a 5, 4 vote they decided to leave birthright citizenship in and not overrule it in the Supreme Court justice decision now with the Vice President saying it's disappointing but not unexpected. When I talked to the Secretary of Homeland Security about this morning, Mark Ray Mullen, and we talked yesterday on the radio show and it broke right while he was sitting next to me is that there's ways to at least pare it back. We're talking about birthright, we're talking about birth tourism where Chinese and others come here to have a kid born here, you're eight and a half months pregnant and that kid becomes a citizen. You use that to stay or you use that later on to vote and to bring your whole family back. They're going to stop that and they're going to especially crack down in the territories where it's most abused. Can we get Democrats to agree that birth tourism doesn't work work for America? Why is that a problem?

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The Straits of A Move is a seminal objective that Iran has achieved control over it. I think it's up there with nuclear weapons. And I say that because it gives them deterrence, that gives them dominance and over escalation and that is an achievement that they have. I think at some point we're likely, given what you, you just heard and what their actions speak, we will find ourselves at some point having to take control of it ourselves and open it up. And that is General Jack Keane yesterday talking about where we're at right now with Iran. And evidently in Doha they refuse to talk directly and we're going through intermediaries at which time they keep reaffirming that they're going to be in control of the strait. Hezbollah is going continue to be financed and they're going to keep a nuclear weapon. Really the MoU was terrible, but there's so much gray area there. If you're even playing good politics or diplomacy, you don't expose your hand unless you felt extremely confident you could. I think it's a huge mistake on Iran's part who continues to underestimate the President. Wall Street Journal had a story yesterday. I know for a fact it took place where the President sat down with the, with the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Staff as well as General Admiral Cooper as well as the Secretary of War and said what would an all out resumption, full bore war look like? Because he's really thinking about doing it, not because he's taking it off the table. Yeah, he's more concerned about the economy right now, but he knows exactly what's going on and Iran continues their delay of game. Another person who knows that well is my next guest, Congressman Michael McCaul of Texas, the 10th district, who was Chairman of Foreign Relations for years. Congressman, welcome back. I see on Zoom, I know you're getting set to go to Ukraine, but for Iran, this situation, what are you hearing is the very latest because you've been briefed.

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

The latest I got was yesterday we met with all the ambassadors from the gcc. That would be the, the Middle east, the Gulf coast nations. And I have to tell you, Brian, the one message they wanted me to take away was that they were all aligned together. They are all supportive of the President and the United States in our policy. I think that's very important that our allies, our partners in that region, that we're all sticking together against Iran. I had the opportunity last night to be at the White House for dinner and I talked to the President about this very issue that he needs to stay strong. I, as usual agree with Jack Keane on this one. I'm not very sanguine about these negotiations. I think Iran's tactic is to delay the process up to the midterm elections. They have found a new power now and that is they can close down the, I mean the Straits of Hormuz. And so, you know, I think with that in mind, I told the President, stay strong because you're the first President to act on this in almost 50 years. And it was going to come to a head at some point and we have to see this thing through.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We do. But the President also wants to keep the straight open at the same time because I know you're not running for reelection, but a lot of your colleagues are, especially that Senate seat in Texas is up and they'll be saying, hey, if gas is 450, the reality is you guys might not hold the House or the Senate. So the President's got to weigh all of that. Do you think he's far away from from November enough that if you want all back all in for the next two, three weeks, do enough damage to have a long term success?

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

Well, there are several options here. The President's not going to telegraph a lot of this. He shouldn't. We could take over the Hornose straits as Jack Keane said. I look, I'm all for negotiating, I'm all for trying to achieve a peace deal, but at the same time, as Reagan said, trust, verify, don't you know, Ron has not a great track record. And as long as we're dealing with this regime, I think you're going to deal with someone who's not negotiating in good faith. But, but, you know, you know, the vice president was there last night. I know his view is a little different from the presence. He really wants peace. I, we all want that, but we got to get the Straits of Hormuz open in the short term at a minimum here, because as you pointed out, you know, I just filled my car up with gas, you know, back in Austin. And, you know, you're astounded by how much more expensive it is. And so the voter out there is, you know, angry about that. They go to the grocery store, they're angry about the higher prices at the grocery store. So we understand the political dynamics here as well, but so does Iran, and I think that's why they would want to extend this as close to the midterm elections as possible.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I just think, first, for your earlier point, I was just watching some of the Middle Eastern television through translation, and they were saying there's a bit of a schism between Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia, as well as another one of those nations who Qatar, who are saying we might have a reapproachment conference and meeting with Iran, as opposed to the uae, Bahrain and Kuwait, who are standing strong with us. Have you noticed that schism?

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

Interestingly, the meeting and I told you about we had yesterday with the ambassadors, the one nation not in attendance was, was Ketter and, or Qatar. And that, that kind of speaks volumes. I, I think they like to play both sides.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, they do.

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

Like, kind of like ISI does in Pakistan, Oman. So they kind of play both sides. Now, Oman was there. They said, we want you to know that Iran's trying to play us against each other, but that Oman stands with, you know, the president and with the United States, and we're all aligned in this. One issue I brought up, Brian, with the ambassador from Oman is you guys got to start working on a pipeline through Oman into the Gulf. So we're never dependent on the Straits of Hormuz, given Iran's capabilities. Shut it down.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Saudi Arabia has, I hear they're moving 8 million barrels a day through, you know, through the, I think it's the Red Sea through the other direction, which they're worried about the Houthis cutting that off, but that'll be, that's for another story. But in the big picture, without giving away any intelligence, have you seen a military plan for taking over the strait, Congressman McCaul, that made you feel as though we were ready to implement it and would be effective?

[Jonathan Turley]

Give

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

of Course, we have contingency plans for Indian all operations, including the one you discussed. I have a great confidence in in Sitcom's capabilities. I think they did a tremendous job in the original strike. I would have preferred if they would have been able to go further and really finish the job. But we had a break for cease fire negotiations. But in terms of our military, I have great confidence they can achieve that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yes, he was the Vice president yesterday. Cut 33 with Laura.

[Colonel Mike Jarrigan]

The Iranians have not hit ships in the last couple of weeks and the oil is flowing in the Strait of Hormuz in part because the President made very clear that if the Iranians hit ships, we were going to hit back. So, you know, it's going to take sometimes the carrot and the stick here. But Laura, I actually think that the United States is in a great position. However the negotiation ultimately shakes out, if the negotiation is successful, which obviously we want it to be successful, you have an Iran that is permanently transformed, that's not funding regionals, terrorism and instability, that has permanently given up on any nuclear weapons ambition and that as a result is welcomed back into the world economy. That's a great outcome for the American people. It's a great outcome for the whole region.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What is the likelihood of that last statement?

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

You know, if I can be honest with you, and I can at this juncture in my career, I, I'm not as sanguine as the Vice President about all that. I don't think the straits are fully open. I, I don't think they're giving up on the proxies. As long as this regime is in power, we're going to have problems with Iran. And so look, I'm an eternal optimist. I applaud the Vice President for his optimism here, but I'm also eyes wide open on the situation. Now. The trump card and this appropriate way to say it here is President Trump. He provides the fear factor that gives us strength in the negotiations because they have no idea what he's going to do. He's so unpredictable, he is so bold and he's so strong. That is what should be helping the Vice President in his negotiations. And I know talking to the President last night, look, if they don't play ball in this, he's not shy about using force and he will.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, I think it's a joke when they say the President doesn't want to use force. Have they met him? You know, have you seen what he's done? Midnight Hammer, Solomania. Now they. So, Chairman, I want to talk about Ukraine. I'M seeing these things on this video. They're running out of gas and oil in Russia. Evidently they've done such a good job Ukraine in engineering their own long range missiles that there's almost no major city not within their range. What are you hearing about Ukraine's push four years into this war?

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

Well, here we are four years going on, five that we were told four days to be over. You know, I think Russia is the emperor has no clothes here. It's a paper tiger. I, I'm astounded at the, at the remarkable strength of Ukraine against what we thought was a superpower. You know, the innovation and technology that quite frankly we can learn things from how to counter shahed drones. All the ambassadors I talked to yesterday, Ukraine is helping them counter the shed drones in the Middle east and they're actually winning this thing. I'm going to be well, can't get into for operation security purposes on the trip but I will be observing drone activities. And the fact is they are hitting Mari Popal, Mariupol to get that back. Also Crimea. They have cut off the land bridge, the energy. It's an isolated island. Now they are hitting interior Russia and their oil and refinery. Putin is feeling the hurt right now. My hope is that Congress can get off its duff and pass strong sanctions against Putin. Not to punish him per se, although I don't mind doing that, but to get him to the negotiating table so that the President can negotiate a good deal. Tougher sanctions would lead us down that path and that'll be part of my visit and the reason why I'm going there.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Do you think the President would sign it?

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

You know, I think given the right people in his ear and the right arguments that he would. At the end of the day he wants to be known as the peacemaker. If he has the opportunity to broker a peace settlement between Ukraine and Russia. He knows that's part of his legacy. It makes his presidency stronger and I can think of no better way to do it than to put these tougher sanctions Putin, especially the fact that it's been demonstrated by Ukraine that they can win this thing. They have pushed Russia out. The tide is turned. This is a time so I'm going

[Brian Kilmeade]

to ask you about Texas for a second. I thought that Senator John Cohen is one of the classiest people I've met in or at Washington. I really prefer he'd be the nominee. But it's Ken Paxton and they're in a flat footed tie with James Talarico who's talented but his beliefs seem to Be, you know, more suited for New York than Texas. Why are they tied? And, and what do you. And I know Ted Cruz had a hard time too. You know, he didn't waltz to reelection. So what do you think's going on? What is, what is it going to take for Paxton to win in Texas?

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

Well, at first I agree with your sentiments about John Corn. I was his deputy Attorney general for four years. He and I have done a lot in Congress together. That's a big loss for the Congress. I don't think the voters back home realize how effective he's been. He was very close to being majority leader of the Senate. I know lost by one vote. I think the reason why it's so close is because as I predicted, you know, Patrick has so much baggage and it was exposed during the primary and now we're going through a sort of damage control crisis that has now been presented to us. I do think though that tell Rico, they call him Tel Frico by the way in my state. He's bizarre that he has not been defined and you know, these things work in a generic poll. They seem to be even. I think once Tel Rico is defined with all the strange interpretations of, you know, I don't know his interpretation of God or gender stuff. I mean I really think Texas at the end of the day is still very right conservative state and they're not going to like to somebody like this guy.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So just to give you an idea, I know you're a very patriotic guy as many people in this country aren't. Only 53% declare themselves be very pro American in America. I want you to hear some of the past statements from Democrats, including Talarico Cutua of we're not going to make America great again. It was never that great.

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

The American flag is such a complicated

[Karl Rove]

symbol for most of us and in

[Brian Kilmeade]

many ways like Jesus, like the cross, it's been co opted and, and, and,

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

and, and in some ways its true

[Brian Kilmeade]

meaning has been betrayed. No, no, no, not God bless America.

God damn America.

That's in the Bible, honey. Fathers do not live and die for this moment. I can't celebrate July 4th.

[Jonathan Turley]

We tired.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We want some of this earth. We'll tear this goddamn country. I mean that seems to be something would resonate more than what we're seeing in Washington. I saw 10 states not show up to the state fair, you know, to the national fair on the 4th of July as you leave the stage in D.C. what do you think?

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

Think well, you know, State fair Texas, we get a day out from school is one of my favorite days of the year. You know, those statements actually make me sick to my stomach. You know, here's a picture of my dad. He was a bombardier on B17. This is the B17 that bombed the Nazis one defeated the most evil fortune of mankind. I'm a son of a D Day veteran. What they handed down to this country should be respected and appreciated. They handed down a better America to this country, to my generation. And patriotism ran in their bloodstream, in their veins. To hear these disgusting comments about this country. They're not patriots. They're trait traffic. Is that simple. And I don't have a lot of patience for that. It's American to question. It's American to debate the issues. It's not American. In fact, it's un American to say disgraceful things about this country like that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I hear you. Congressman Mike McCall, thanks so much. I'll talk to you soon. And best of luck in Ukraine.

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

Thanks, Brian. Thanks for having me.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You got it. Back in a moment.

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The establishment is.

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

It is determined to enrich itself.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And that is why right now, the establishment, the billionaires, the corporations, the people who have made all the money off of the system Susan Collins has built,

[Rob Blagojevich]

they are spending an immense amount of

[Congressman Michael McCaul]

money to protect themselves.

[Brian Kilmeade]

They do not understand this place. They don't know Maine. They don't know Mainers. They don't understand that we down here in the real world, in the state of Maine, we care far more about each other than their profits. Really, Sam? Susan Collins doesn't know Maine? That's ridiculous. Graham Platner, the horrible candidate there, should not even be on any ballot. He should be finding out why he's going on those web, those dating websites and why he got that Nazi tattoo. Meanwhile, polls not good for Mr. Platner. Overall, Susan Collins, who of Thomas Hill reports, is always trailing in the polls and always wins. Now she's actually winning 50 to 47. I know it's early and there's much more, but Platter was complaining he doesn't have enough money. They're pouring too much money in. It's making it too hard for him. We didn't understand Maynard. Nobody understands May better than Susan Collins. And no one gets under the President's skin more than Susan Collins because she goes, she's, I think a moderate Republican. A lot of the word the president does is, I think, conservative. But sometimes he'll go to the middle at certain moments. But it kind of drives him crazy when Collins and Murkowski and now Tillis and Cassidy go against him. So he's going to stay out of this race. But they're going to try to say that she's maga. Please. I mean, nobody buys that. And in Maine, they're too smart. They know what she's been doing, not going to wait for Graham Platter to define her.