Fauci Takes the Fifth 111 Times! Provides No Answers!

Summary

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Brian Kilmeade Show: "Fauci Takes the Fifth 111 Times! Provides No Answers!"

Date: July 30, 2026
Host: Brian Kilmeade
Featured Guests: Trey Yingst, Michael Makovsky, Mark Thiessen, Matt Taibbi, Bruce Pearl, and others

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on two major themes:

1. Anthony Fauci’s Congressional Testimony: Fauci invoked the Fifth Amendment over 100 times during his appearance before Congress, offering no substantive answers regarding his role during the COVID-19 pandemic, funding for controversial research, personal enrichment, and destruction of evidence.

2. Escalating Middle East Tensions: Detailed analysis of U.S. and allied military responses to Iranian-backed militia attacks, the implications for the region, coordination with Israel, and strategic decision-making by President Trump.

The episode also covers current U.S. political dynamics: Democratic Party infighting, radicalism vs. moderation, and pivotal Senate and gubernatorial races across Texas, Wisconsin, North Carolina, and New York.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Anthony Fauci’s Testimony and Fallout

Main Points

• Dr. Anthony Fauci, former top U.S. infectious diseases expert, took the Fifth 111 times during a Congressional hearing, refusing to answer critical questions.
• Fauci is accused of personal financial gains from pandemic-related research, contradictions in public health guidance, and destruction of potentially incriminating records.

Critical Segments

• [00:00, 17:06, 39:54, 73:07, 77:05, 82:56] – Repeated references to Fauci’s invocation of the Fifth and rundown of his controversies.
• [17:06] Brian Kilmeade: “I was disappointed. I had hoped that he would come forward and perhaps apologize. A million Americans died and many people, myself included, believe that this virus came from a lab that was funded by the U.S. government. Decision for that funding came from Anthony Fauci. A terrible mistake.”
• [84:15] Brian Kilmeade: “He made nine separate staffers fill out applications to apply for awards. He got $1 million. Shouldn’t be doing that. …His assistant deleted a ton of information. Now they’re going to probably bring his assistant in, put that person under oath to find out what did you delete.”
• [85:31] Matt Taibbi: “Looking at the diaries, they’re enormously damaging. They show that he had real information, for instance, about…the possibility of genetic engineering or the links to the laboratory. And he held that back. He didn’t tell the President, didn’t tell the public, didn’t tell Congress.”

Notable Quotes

• [77:26] Matt Taibbi: “Not one person that I talked to thought he was going to invoke on the stand. That was a dramatic moment…"
• [86:52] Matt Taibbi: “This is a parallel to every other scandal beforehand... They just think that this is a bad issue for them. So they don’t want to look at something that could have catastrophic impact the next time.”

Themes

• Deep skepticism about U.S. health leadership during COVID-19.
• Media and political “cover-ups” and lack of accountability.
• Bipartisan failure to investigate pandemic missteps.

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2. Middle East Escalations: U.S., Iran, Israel, and Gulf States

Main Points

• Recent Iranian militia attacks on U.S. forces prompted significant U.S. military reprisals, involving both American and Saudi strikes.
• Discussion around the strategic necessity of opening the Strait of Hormuz, and speculation on a new, larger joint U.S.-Israeli military operation.
• Division within the administration on strategy—pressure versus dealmaking with Iran.

Critical Segments

• [04:09–16:09] – Trey Yingst reports live from Tel Aviv, describing the scale and motivation of U.S. retaliatory strikes.
• [09:34] Michael Makovsky: “We gotta open the Straits to Hormuz. If we’re not gonna be able to do it through negotiations, we gotta do it by force. Certainly anybody thinking that negotiations is gonna be the pathway forward has got to come to grips with what reality is here.”
• [12:35–14:59] – Discussion on Iraqi government’s inability to control Iranian-backed militias.
• [41:37] Mark Thiessen: “We stopped at the 20 yard line and we’ve gotten, you know, into this cycle of tit for tat… It’s just never ending…”

Notable Quotes

• [06:25] Brian Kilmeade: "They had the deal of a lifetime with that MOU. They get their sanctions relief... now they elected to not allow the strait to be up. The president reacted since then… Wall Street Journal is reporting they’re prepared a much series of much heavier strikes."
• [16:09] Brian Kilmeade: "If people want to fight back on that, they're going to have to join us in some type of convoy and some type of shepherding of those ships..."

Themes

• Unstable status quo; likelihood of escalation (“Epic Fury 2”).
• Regional alliances coalescing against Iran and its proxies.
• Skepticism whether negotiations with Iranian “moderates” are meaningful or feasible.

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3. U.S. Politics: Radicalism, Socialism, and Key Races

Main Points

• Democratic Party divided between socialists/progressives and moderates—with special attention to Bernie Sanders, John Fetterman, and rising socialist candidates.
• Texas: Republican incumbent Ken Paxton facing ethics scandals and polling behind Democrat James Talarico.
• Wisconsin: Francesca Hong, a socialist advocating abolishing the Senate, is leading in the Democratic primary for governor.
• North Carolina: GOP struggling to hold Senate seat; polls showing Democrat Roy Cooper ahead.

Critical Segments

• [31:55–34:00, 51:24–52:29, 61:25–64:28] – Texas, Wisconsin, and North Carolina race breakdowns.
• [53:34] Brian Kilmeade: "I am not for getting rid of the filibusters. ...I don't want a pac Supreme Court and I definitely don't want to get rid of Electoral College."
• [59:39] Brian Kilmeade: "Francisca Hong dared Tom Tiffany to come up with an example of when she ever said abolish this Senate. ...Turns out Hung did...abolish the Senate."

Notable Quotes

• [38:00] Brian Kilmeade: "This is an idea that is basically a pyramid scheme. It’s basically a Ponzi scheme intellectually with the Democratic Party. And like a parasite…Dems are about to find out if socialism and radicalism can win in a purple state."
• [62:46] Mark Thiessen: "The bigger issues are obviously [Paxton’s] personal scandals, the messy divorce… and the ethical double standards that Talarico is already raising…"
• [57:44] Mark Thiessen: "This is the biggest test of the socialist movement’s staying power… can that sell to a general election? I know Democrats are pretty pessimistic..."

Themes

• Fear among Republicans that extreme candidates may cost them crucial seats.
• Democrats' internal conflicts over party identity and electability.
• The spread of socialism and anti-establishment politics at both national and local levels.

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4. New York Politics: Mayor Zoran Hamdani and Socialism’s Advance

Main Points

• Mayor Zoran Hamdani faces accusations of anti-Semitism, embracing radical left priorities (e.g., reparations, city-run supermarkets, taxes on non-primary residences).
• Growing backlash from New York’s Jewish community and moderate voters.

Critical Segments

• [26:55, 54:35, 65:21] – Discussion on Hamdani’s appointments, policies, and their repercussions.
• [93:07] Zoran Hamdani: "I think one of the bedrocks of our city is protest... We are talking about someone who has been charged with crimes against humanity, someone who has visited the city... and I want to make it very clear that that welcome ends with me."
• [96:06] Zoran Hamdani: "Any suggestions that the composition of the advisory committee was motivated by religion is false."

Notable Quotes

• [95:12] Bruce Pearl: "What he's doing in New York is the exact same thing that the Palestinians have been doing since 1948 in Israel. And that's trying to make it so difficult for the Jews to stay that they're going to leave."
• [98:32] Brian Kilmeade: "People say when you’re anti Semitic, you’re really anti American. ...It really goes to the freedom the whole country has."

Themes

• Fears of anti-Semitic and anti-capitalist policies reshaping the city.
• Jewish-led economic and civic contributions at risk.
• Political polarization and the threat to historic American pluralism.

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5. Media, COVID, and Government Censorship

Main Points

• Mainstream press widely ignores or minimizes Fauci’s actions and record.
• Government agencies pressured social media to censor dissenting COVID viewpoints, including discussion of alternative treatments (e.g., ivermectin) and criticism of government response.
• Republican distrust of CDC and NIH at all-time lows.
• Personal stories about school closures, economic impacts, and public trust erosion.

Critical Segments

• [77:58–79:33] – Kilmeade and Taibbi discuss the press’s protection of Fauci.
• [87:47] Matt Taibbi: "Platforms were not only taking direct direction from the CDC... but also that they were censoring by narrative..."
• [91:03] Brian Kilmeade: "Think about this. Before the pandemic, when asked... Do you trust the CDC? 82% said yes. Now that number’s at 30%..."

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Memorable Moments & Quotes (with Timestamps)

• [01:35] Julian Epstein: "This is an idea that is basically a pyramid scheme...the DSA [Democratic Socialists of America] is inside the Democratic Party, this parasite will eventually kill the host."
• [04:09] Brian Kilmeade: "Trey, what do we hit last night?"
• [09:34] Michael Makovsky: "We gotta open the Straits to Hormuz. If we’re not gonna be able to do it through negotiations, we gotta do it by force."
• [24:49] Michael Makovsky (responding to Joe Rogan on Gaza): "Well, that's a great point that he should direct to the Hamas leaders and Qatar... I think Israel has done... the overwhelming amount that have been killed are combatants or terrorists..."
• [53:34] Brian Kilmeade: "I am not for getting rid of the filibusters... I do not want two extra states. I don't want a packed Supreme Court and I definitely don't want to get rid of Electoral College."
• [77:26] Matt Taibbi: “Not one person that I talked to thought [Fauci] was going to invoke [the Fifth] on the stand. That was a dramatic moment…”
• [105:35] Julian Epstein (Bruce Pearl): "90% of the buildings are down. Absolutely. But when you drop 200,000 bombs and you kill about 60,000 people, 30,000 of which are male terrorists… It’s the most humane urban warfare that’s ever been fought. The math just doesn’t add up."

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Analysis & Tone

• Kilmeade’s approach: Combative, skeptical, openly critical of progressive figures, Fauci, and the “mainstream media”—but equally scathing regarding weak Republican candidates and failed GOP strategies.
• Wide-ranging debate: The episode moves seamlessly between hard-nosed foreign policy analysis, domestic politics, media criticism, and cultural commentary, with a tone typical of conservative talk radio—urgent, passionate, and deeply distrustful of left-leaning institutions.
• Personal stories and humor: Frequent banter, impressions, and listener engagement interspersed among the hard news and interviews.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Topic/Segment | |--------------|------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00–06:25 | Iran-backed attacks, U.S. & Israeli military response| | 17:06–18:48 | Fauci’s testimony, COVID policy contradictions | | 31:55–34:18 | Texas & Wisconsin Senate race dynamics | | 39:54–45:32 | U.S.-Iran strategy, military strike debate | | 54:35–56:18 | New York’s reparations debate | | 73:07–77:05 | Fauci takes the Fifth—reaction & implications | | 82:56–84:52 | COVID policy, politics, gain of function research | | 93:07–98:32 | Bruce Pearl on NY politics & antisemitism | | 105:35–107:47| Defending Israeli operations in Gaza |

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Concluding Themes

• Accountability: Whether in medical leadership (Fauci), military strategy, or local government, skepticism about honesty, competence, and accountability pervades every subject.
• Shift in Political Landscape: Populism, socialism, and radicalism rise across both parties, with unpredictable electoral consequences.
• Foreign Threats and U.S. Power: Pressure mounts for the U.S. to take bolder action abroad, alongside anxiety about military readiness and alliance reliability.
• Social Fragmentation: Deep divisions—ideological, generational, and cultural—are seen as threatening core American values and security.

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This episode is a fast-paced, unflinching look at America’s mounting crises, framed by a conservative, solution-oriented worldview. Expert guests provide analysis, but Brian Kilmeade’s distinctive tone, skepticism of the establishment, and focus on hard-hitting questions drives the conversation throughout.

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Transcript

[Brian Kilmeade]

From high atop FOX News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division, it's Brian Kilmeade.

So glad you're there. It's the Brian Kilmeade show, an important show on this Thursday. A lot of moving parts. We're ready for it. Michael Makovsky will be joining us too. He's the president CEO of the Jewish Institute for National Security. We want to find out if the next series of actions is going to involve the idf. We have to be careful. Trey Youngsters, Fox News chief foreign correspondence in Tel Aviv covering all the stories because last night we hit back after the Iranian militias located in Iraq rocketed into Jordan tried to get our guys. We were able to knock that down. And Saudi Arabia was able to hit back too because they were being rocketed from some of these militias, Katab Hezbollah. And they say there's about 10 militias, about 50,000 in all. So we got to look for that. The Houthis are trying to shut down the straight, maybe effectively stop the Saudis. Societies have to reroute some oil and they're doing that. But we'll see. I feel like everything's coming to a head as the president says they are apologizing for having their militias hit that base. Let's get to the big three. Number three, this is an idea that is basically a pyramid scheme. It's basically a Ponzi scheme intellectually with the Democratic Party. And like a parasite, which I think the DSA is inside the Democratic Party, this parasite will eventually kill the host.

I agree.

That is Julian Epstein, Democrat. Under 100 days to midterms. And Dems are about to find out if socialism and radicalism can win in a purple state. While the GOP is struggling in two states in the Senate race, we go beyond the numbers.

[Julian Epstein]

Number two, we're seeing with our allies now going after their surrogates in Iran. Cross the board. Incredible pressure being brought to Iran. And the more these efforts will, I believe, ultimately move the country to a different government.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Go big and go better be the next. Will that be the next move for President Trump? As the Wall Street Journal says he's about to combine with the IDF to cut the IRGC down to size and take back the strait. Number one, although it pains me to do so, under the advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my right under the fifth amendment of the Constitution. That is Anthony Fauci embarrassed himself and his department. Fauci takes the Fifth, but it doesn't mean we didn't learn anything from his testimony and the answers may lie with his staffers who will be next to testify. They will not have Joe Biden's pardon. And when it turns out, a couple of things that we learned with Anthony Fauci. We just learned that he got about a million dollars in prize money. Is that amazing? Had nine different staffers apply for this prize money and he got it. And we also find out that he deleted tons of material. That staffer that said that and did it could be subpoenaed and brought forward under oath. They got to be under pressure to tell us what was in those in the information and how it was deleted to maybe help it recover. And then Anthony Fauci too could be sued in separate states, which Florida might in fact do because of the damage he did. Look, nobody expect him to hit a hit a thousand. Everything he said to be right, but the contradictions and the denials of his varying head snapping, head shaking policies from six feet apart. I never said that. You said that from the vaccine. If you get a vaccine, you're not gonna get the, you're not gonna get the COVID 19 virus. That's not true. Then he denied saying it. To wear a mask. He's dumb. Masks don't work. To wear two masks. Never admitted that he changed policies. But the biggest story happened two days ago when after four or five days of no hits, the Iranian militias decide to strike out, maybe directed by the irgc. And then we answered back last night. How big was that damage will do. Out to Trey Yings in Tel Aviv. Trey, what do we hit last night?

[Trey Yingst]

Yeah, Brian, good morning. It was a significant strike package last night, more significant than we saw during the 13 days earlier this month of US strikes against Iran. And this was in direct response to the Iranians basically breaking the lull in fighting. Iranian officials ordered five ballistic missiles to be launched at Jordan unexpectedly trying to kill U.S. soldiers. And this surprise attack led the President to make this decision to strike back against IRGC military command centers, a variety of different missile and drone positions, and then some of the maritime capabilities that remain. You had this other story that is linked and that is the militias in Iraq that launched around 30 drones over a period of three days against US forces and allies in the region. And then both United States and Saudi Arabia responded there. That was two nights ago. And so we're starting to see a lot more kinetic action in the region. And it's a result of the Iranians. While they claim at least the negotiators that they want to continue talks, they are still firing at U.S. forces.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And this is the strait shutdown. Do you think any ships are getting through there?

[Trey Yingst]

Some ships are getting through, but the underreported story is that many of them are getting through this Iranian approved route. And in effect it means that they are still controlling part of the strait. And it raises broader questions again about how serious they are about making these concessions. And we talked about this a bit on air, Brian, but I think it's a really important point that you brought up. The President is dealing and his team is dealing with these relatively more moderate voices. And I say relatively more moderate because they certainly are aligned with the Iranian regime, but they are in a negotiating capacity. The foreign minister and the parliament speaker. And while they may say one thing about Iran wanting to make a deal or stop missile fire toward U.S. forces, the reality is when it comes to the strait and when it comes to these attacks that we've seen over the past 72 hours, these IRGC commanders in Iran are operating often on their own or even with the approval of the political leadership inside of Iran. And so the question remains, are the Iranians actually serious about making a deal? And if they are serious, then why are they still launching missiles? Why are they still threatening the President's life? And why isn't the Strait of Hormuz open? Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I mean, to me, if I'm just a rational actor and I'm an analyst, they had the deal of a lifetime with that mou. They get their sanctions relief. They were on the path to unfreezing their funds and. And the strait opens up. But the attacks stop. The government was still intact, but now they elected to not allow the strait to be up. The president reacted since then give him a four day pause after 14 straight days. And now the Wall Street Journal is reporting they're prepared a much series of much heavier strikes. 247 pounding. But I understand too, the President knows there's not an infinite amount of munitions.

[Trey Yingst]

Absolutely. And this is a calculation that the US Military has to make. They can't be in an endless campaign against Iran because it is costly and it's dangerous also for US Forces. I spoke with President Trump yesterday morning and he said at the time some very specific things about responding to the missile attack. He said, we are going to beat the effing s out of them. But he also said something else and we didn't even report this on air. So this is the first time we're reporting this part. He said it was such a surprise, this attack on US Forces because there was an understanding that messages were being exchanged toward a possible agreement. And then they launched this attack. He said it was such a surprise that one of the negotiators said, is this April Fools? This is a joke because it was so unexpected. But again, this is the challenge the administration faces, is that even if they give the Iranians these negotiating windows, even during that time of relative quiet, they're still trying to attack US Forces and change this equation in the Middle East. Because the Iranians do see slowly what is happening. And I think it's very significant this week. It's maybe not the main headline, but it is very important to note there is a growing informal coalition of Gulf countries that are starting to put new pressure on Iran publicly. And I think Saudi Arabia is really the biggest example. Previously, when the Saudis would attack Iranian proxies, often in places like Yemen, targeting the Houthis there, they wouldn't denounce it. And certainly if they were going to strike Iraq, they wouldn't denounce it. But after the strikes alongside US Forces earlier this week, they publicly took credit for it because their energy infrastructure is coming under attack, and they want to send a message of deterrence. And we saw this throughout the reporting over the past several months. It came out that Gulf countries like Kuwait and Bahrain and the UAE who have these offensive capabilities and use them in small part, the Iranians realize things are changing very rapidly in the Middle east, and it is an opportunity for some of the success of what the Israelis want to get done. And that is the message that we understand Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu delivered to President Trump in the Oval Office earlier this week, that this is a historic opportunity and that the United States and Israel must continue to work together to apply that pressure on Iran.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I want you to hear about negotiations. Thanks. Thanks for sharing that. But I do think there's a disconnect between what the negotiator doing and what the reality on the ground is. I'm not saying they're not smart and very intelligent and in Jared's case, very well researched, but I just don't think they're talking to the right people. Here's General King, cut 22.

[Michael Makovsky]

We gotta open the Straits to Hormuz. If we're not gonna be able to do it through negotiations, we gotta do it by force. Certainly anybody thinking that negotiations is gonna be the pathway forward has got to come to grips with what reality is here. Iran is not going to make a deal with us that would satisfy us.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. And that's who the general has seen the plans that Cooper has drawn up and he thinks they could be very effective. And I imagine the IDF would be in. But Trey, is it too much to think that the IDF, if the IDF's in Gulf states, would be into or is there still that sense of we can't act in concert with Israel?

[Trey Yingst]

I think initially, unless there is something that we don't know about, which is totally possible behind the scenes, we're likely looking at a scenario that if this larger strike package is ordered, it is a joint US And Israeli package because they work well together and they've been coordinating. Even when these headlines have come out of distrust or frustration between the two leaders or the two sides, the reality is behind the scenes, and you know this well, talking to your sources in the region, they work together on a daily basis. And the Israelis have said to us when we talk with intelligence sources here in Tel Aviv that the strait can be controlled through force. There are creative ways to address the Iranian threat. Now, it's a challenging thing to do because remember the topography of this area. It's a very mountainous region in southwest Iran next to the Persian Gulf. And while there are these cities like Bandar Abbas and others along the coast that you can hit and hit military installations there and lookout points, it only takes one drone or cruise missile to disrupt billions of dollars worth of shipping and have these insurance companies say we are not going to approve for vessels to pass through out of the Persian Gulf through the Strait of Hormuz and into the Gulf of Oman. And so the question now is, is this strike package that has been reviewed certainly by top US Generals and likely is being coordinated in part with the Israelis, will it directly address that issue of the strait, or is this going to be focused more broadly on Iran's missile capacity? That does remain because reports indicate they still have more than 1300 ballistic missile. And during a round, for example, like we saw last summer, a 12 day war between the United States, ultimately Israel and Iran, they can launch 500 missiles in the course of one war campaign and cause a significant amount of damage. And we saw US Soldiers were killed earlier this month by these ballistic missiles. And so there are a variety of moving threats here. And really it's going to be up to President Trump about whether or not he is going to make this decision to move forward with this broader campaign. Traditionally, the Iranians cannot be bombed into submission. And that is when you hear General King say that he sees the reality of the situation and what the Iranians have been doing in the region for the past 47 years. And that is the challenge here. Be clear eyed to see what they say and what they do and what they still have left and what has to be addressed on the battlefield.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Here's a question that I know would be a stretch for you because I'm not sure the last time you were in Iraq, but how close is the Iraqi government from controlling those militias? They say about 50,000, 10 separate units. I remember when we pulled all our troops out during the Obama administration, we got ISIS income, these Shia militias that might have been there on some level, and they kind of worked with us to push ISIS out and save Baghdad. And they stayed and they grew.

[Trey Yingst]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

How much power did they have in the north compared to the Iraqi government?

[Trey Yingst]

So they still have quite a bit of power. And the main organization there is an organization called KATAP Hezbollah and they are an Iraqi Iran backed Shia militia group. And they have cruise missiles, they have a variety of drones and other things that they can use to attack U.S. forces and allies in the region. And they've been doing so. I was last on the ground in Baghdad in early January of 2020 after President Trump ordered the strike to kill Qasem Soleimani. And it was a very dangerous time. There was a hit out on all Americans. To be an American there in Baghdad at that time was dangerous because of these Iran backed Shia militia groups that routinely kidnap and kill foreigners. And so they are a group that certainly receives funding and direction by the Iranian regime, but also they have enough weapons and willpower to continue fighting it. And at least at this point, the Iraqi government has not been able to deal with it independently. And the President actually talked about the Iraqi prime Minister yesterday. He seems to very much like him. And also he says that coordination is happening. He told me that they coordinated and gave them a heads up before these US And Saudi strikes against the Shia militia groups in Iraq. I think the question remains, does the United States have the capability to provide support, whether it's intelligence, some level of weaponry or direction and guidance to the Iraqi government to deal with this problem? Because if they're not dealt with, it just gives Iran yet another proxy and another lever to pull when they want

[Brian Kilmeade]

to in that region? You know better than most that you, if you're going after the militia, there's Shia now, the majority of Iraq is Shia. And then how many of your armed forces, your traditional armed forces in Iraq are comfortable going after Shia militias? So I don't. You know that that's a, that's a tough thing to tackle.

[Trey Yingst]

Absolutely, absolutely. And then you look at the other proxy forces across the region. And the Houthis in Yemen, while they largely stayed out during Operation Epic Fury, have started to try and disrupt international shipping at the bubble Mandab Strait, this entrance to the Red Sea. And two really interesting things happened over the past several weeks. One, not only did they attack Saudi owned tankers, they issued a declaration of a blockade for Saudi vessels going into the Red Sea. They're trying to do the same strategy that Iran is doing in the Strait of Hormuz. And in limited capacity, it's not a huge problem. But if they suddenly make this declaration about all vessels passing through, then Iran has a chokehold over another critical shipping lane in international waterways. Another very interesting thing. And again, this speaks to how these proxy groups are mirroring the Iranian regime and receiving direction. Just about three days ago, reports came out that indicated the Houthis are considering a tolling system for the Bab El Mandab Strait. Again, the same language that the Iranians are using about the Strait of Hormuz. And it' speaks to the coordination that is still taking place because as the Iranians get weaker militarily, they have to rely more on these proxy groups that they have been funding and supporting for decades.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. And if people want to fight back on that, they're going to have to join us in some type of convoy and some type of shepherding of those ships to push back. And that's going to mean some NATO's got to do something. Trey Yings, thanks so much. Unbelievably insightful. And this is a critical time. We'll find out in the next 48 hours if we go back to something look like epic Fury 2. Thanks, Trey.

[Trey Yingst]

Absolutely. Sure.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Back in a moment.

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[Mark Thiessen]

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[Brian Kilmeade]

If you're interested in it. Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

I was disappointed. I had hoped that he would come forward and perhaps apologize. A million Americans died and many people, myself included, believe that this virus came from a lab that was funded by the US Government. Decision for that funding came from Anthony Fowler. A terrible mistake. Maybe one of the greatest mistakes in modern medical history to fund this dangerous research in a less than safe lab in a totalitarian country. So Senator Rand Paul brought up that he was kind of shocked that he took the Fifth. I was surprised. But in the end, there were some questions that got revealed. I mentioned top of the Show. First off, we found out that he was having nine different staffers apply to get money. So he got money. We know that he's worth now $12 million. He's richer now than he was before the pandemic. Tell me how that's right. He was infatuated with fame. But that's a tangential to the fact is that he told everyone the infection rate was 2 to 3%. It was actually 0.1 to 0.1%. That is a huge difference. He told everybody that the vaccine works. You don't have to wear a mask. If you get that, you're totally free. Then it turns out people are getting sick. And he said, well, you just don't get as sick and pretend he didn't say it. The same thing with wear a mask, don't wear a mask. Then the same thing with six feet apart. He denied he ever said six feet apart. We have him 25 times saying, stay six feet apart. Then he denied it. It was based on absolutely nothing. But because of that, they kept schools closed because no one can keep desks six feet apart and get all the students in. See how bad this guy was Foreign.

This is the Brian Kilmeade Show.

I know it's really hard. Will may not be a principal of war, but it's a principle of leadership. When you get into a gunfight like this, who's got the stronger will to finish? The fact of the matter is, if you let a bad team stick around for a long time, like you've seen in football in the fourth quarter, they can tend to do something that you weren't expecting. So you got to close them out early. I think we've gone beyond that. I think we should close them out now, figure a way to finish this fight. I don't think we're close in that regard of finishing the job if we're just dependent on bombing. So that is General Keith Kellogg and talking about just amp it up because the pinpricks aren't working. The President's got a lot to balance out on that. But I would fight for 14 straight days of targeted attacks to take down this regime. Michael Magofsky joins us now. President CEO of the Jewish Institute for National Security of America a leading Washington D.C. based policy and educational organization. Michael, do you agree with the general?

[Michael Makovsky]

Thanks for having me back, Brian. Yeah, I agree with General Kellogg. I think there's a tension here between President Trump knowing what needs to be done in Iran and his belief that if he just hits them hard enough they're going to come to a. And I think we need to, I think the president needs to give up on the idea of getting a deal with the Iranians won't abide by anyway and I think achieve our finish achieving our key objectives such as freeing the straight arm moves, hitting the nuclear sites, degrading their conventional capabilities.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I want you to hear what Tom Carrico said that might be the limitation. He's with Fox Digital. He was on Fox Digital and he talked about the missile stock 26. You don't have to be a rocket

[Mark Thiessen]

scientist to figure out that the relative

[Brian Kilmeade]

to the inventories of the Patriots and

[Mark Thiessen]

the fads and the standard missiles relative

[Brian Kilmeade]

to those inventories at the start of epic fury, we have a problem. So he thinks weapon stocks might be an issue. Have you heard that?

[Michael Makovsky]

Sure. I mean it's been leaked. It was leaked, I think over the weekend that that was one of the reasons we didn't escalate last weekend like many had expected. And you know, I don't, you know, it's classified what the exact numbers are, but there have been reports of what they are. My understanding is certainly a problem, but I'm told by people in the know that it's a manageable problem and I think that's the way Admiral Cooper, our CENTCOM commander feels.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, it is. It's true, it's manageable. But you do have to be somewhat wary. But two weeks you could do a lot. Cooper thinks that he's got those targets at 20% of targets he did not get a chance to fulfill. Do you believe the idf, if they're going to be epic fury to you with the the IDF will play a role.

[Michael Makovsky]

I believe so. I think, you know, as long as, I think as long as there's an understanding between the two countries between Israel and the United States of what those, what the IDF will do. I think the IDF is more than happy and eager to do it and I think to go in and I think it be in our interest too because why, why give up this, why give up this great capability? You know, the Israelis are effectively almost equal with us. They don't have as many planes obviously and so on, but they were very effective in the 40 day war and you'd want to get them involved. And I think specifically for certain missions.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Do you think it would stop? Do you think the Gulf states would not work with us if Israel was doing that? Because Saudis did work with us in the last mission. The UAE has struck on their own. Kuwait has quietly struck back at Iran. Would that affect cooperation?

[Michael Makovsky]

No, I don't think so. And I think you could go back even as far back as, which seems a long time ago, but In April of 24, when Iran first fired its first projectiles, you know, missiles and drones at Israel, and you had a multilateral effort led by the United States, led by centcom, in defending and basically repelling the Iranian attack. And that involved Saudis and Jordanians and American, the British even at that time. So they're happy to work together.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So do you have any reports of how Netanyahu and the President got along? The meeting was evidently productive. Netanyahu says one of their best meetings ever.

[Michael Makovsky]

Yeah, I mean, that's, that's my understanding. I mean, yeah, I think President. Excuse me, Prime Minister Netanyahu was careful coming in. He didn't want to see another New York Times report. Like we saw that big article. I can't remember a little while ago saying that Netanyahu got Trump in. And I think Trump's reaction says, I don't need to see Israeli intelligence. And I know everything shows the president was sensitive about that. So I think the prime Minister went in and just laid out these are like the three options. There could be diplomacy. You could just have pressure in a blockade and you could have escalation. I think those are the three options. I don't think diplomacy is going to lead anywhere. It's led us nowhere for four months. So I think the best two options for President Trump is one, just maintain the blockade and keep a steady pressure. But it's going to take a long time, I think, for that to be effective. Or we escalate and just rip the band aid off and take care of this in a couple of weeks and

[Brian Kilmeade]

couple it with assassinations of some key people. Joe Rogan had a, you know, you've heard this before about Gaza and the way Israel IDF is operating in Gaza. But here's what Joe Rogan said. I want you to address this. Cut 29. The fact that a take on something that if you're just looking at it, like what is, how could you defend that? Like, how could anybody defend that? I don't even know how many people are dead. You have a complete wipeout of a City, like 90% of Gaza's gone, or whatever the percentage is. You look at the buildings, you look at what it used to look like, you look at what it looks like now. This is defensible. What's your response?

[Michael Makovsky]

Well, that's a great point that he should direct to the Hamas leaders and Qatar and others that have support in Turkey that have been supporting Hamas. I mean, I think Israel has done. And we've seen the numbers, you know, the overwhelming amount that have been killed have been, or at least half, but I think more than half are combatants or terrorists that have been killed in Gaza. And, you know, I think anyone that suffered, you know, an October 7th event that, you know, that's the equivalent of like, I don't know, something like 40,000 people, Americans that would have been killed, you know, it's going to want to defend its borders. So they're trying to kill. If they would just give. If Hamas would just give up their weapons, you know, I think all this would go away.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. Stop hiding in schools, hospitals. That might have a lot to do with it.

[Michael Makovsky]

Yeah. Hiding behind their own civilians, beating their own civilians, murdering their own civilians. I think, you know, if you want to liberate Palestinians in Gaza, you got to get rid of Hamas.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So when you. When you see the Netanyahu and you see him giving tribute to Lindsey Graham, they really lost a great ally in Lindsey Graham.

[Trey Yingst]

Right?

[Michael Makovsky]

Yeah. You know, I was at the funeral. I think the guy was, you know, you might not agree with everything he always said, and he said a lot of things, but both Israel, Ukraine, and I think, national security of the United States, the guy was passionately dedicated to American national security. And it's a big loss for the Senate, but as you say, for Israel, it was a big loss, not only because he passionately cared and he knew so much, but because of his close relationship with President Trump. And I thought President Trump gave a really great eulogy at the. At the funeral.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So, on another note, it's revolving around New York. You had Zoram Hamdani come out and put together a judiciary committee that's going to help him pick judges. And it was amazing. Not one Jewish lawyer made the cut, and he was asked about that cut 46.

[Zoran Hamdani]

When it comes to. In that same letter, there was a point around Mr. Leventhal and his appointment as to why it was not considered. I want to be very clear that we decided not to move forward with his appointment because of the fact that he served on Ghislaine Maxwell's legal defense team and collected legal fees as such. And as much as possible, we thought it best, best to avoid any association between the committee that would be appointing judges and the Epstein world.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So your thoughts about this mayor continuing to act in bizarre ways?

[Michael Makovsky]

Yeah, look, I think it's. It's a disgrace, obviously. I mean, I think you referred to this judicial advisory committee. I mean, I think I've seen statistics something like 45 to 50% of lawyers in New York are Jewish. So we could have picked. And there are unfortunately, and I say this as a Jew, a number of Jews not, you know, a minority, but a number of Jews that even voted for Mamdani could have picked a number of pro Madani. But the bigger picture is what you raise. You have a mayor of a major city in America that is anti American, anti Semitic. But where does he come from? He comes from the pro Hamas protest movement, you know, and, and his wife, you know, liked, you know, on X, you know, many of these posts, you know, that supported October 7th. So I think he's a nefarious influence. I worry we see. I don't think he might be aware of what. Of the consequences of what he says. And he. I don't think he really cares that it leads to Jews being killed because I think he hates Jews. But it's. He's fundamentally anti American. We see. I'm sure you saw this, Brian. I mean there's a whole petition going around of survivors of 911 that don't want him to attend and he wants to attend. I think, look, he's in a tough spot on that. If he doesn't attend, it looks bad. If he attends, he looks like a hypocrite because when he talked about 911 in the campaign, what did he talk about? He talked about this, I think a relative of his, an aunt. What did it mean to him that she felt uncomfortable with a job on a subway. Almost 3,000Americans got killed on 911 and that's the only thing this guy thinks about. It's. It's. It's terrible, unfortunately.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. Thanks so much. I appreciate it. We're going to see what's going to happen over the next. I really think 48 hours. I don't think the president wants to go back and forth like this. Unless something dramatically happens. I think we're probably going to be back. Epic fury too. And we go even higher the heighten the intensity. Do you think so too?

[Michael Makovsky]

Well, yeah. I think if we go in again, I think we rip off the band aid and we go big enough in this tip for tat. I think it makes us look feckless. I think if we go in, we not only hit the missiles and the drones, which are already starting to do, and we make sure that the Strait of Hormuzza is open. But I think we also have to, we have to hit the nuclear, we have to address the nuclear facilities. As we talked about last time President Trump mentioned Pickaxe Island Mountain, the Israelis in the US Have a plan I think to address, they need, they should execute that as long as the risks are manageable. And I think we have to hit the domestic energy facilities like the refineries and the natural gas and frankly turn off the lights on this regime, which is by the way, killing, executing people publicly every day also. They're really like defying the world, by the way. And I think we have to really address the strategic threat.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We're the only one addressing it. It doesn't seem to bother anyone at NATO. They don't even have pro one, not one protest in the street in New York City over the killing of innocent people to a hang yesterday. Michael Wakowski, thanks so much. Appreciate it.

[Michael Makovsky]

Thank you. Great. And have a great day.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Brian, you too. 1-866-4087669 so glad you're there. When we come back, we'll also talk about what's happening in Texas. You're going to be stunned by these polls. Yes, stunned. And a big upset is brewing in the purple state of Wisconsin. We'll discuss that. Mike Watley got a setback poll in North Carolina, but we'll tell you where the hope is. Don't miss the brain kill me, Joe, because we are continuing on right after this.

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Is Bernie making it harder for Democrats

[Trey Yingst]

to recapture the majority?

[Michael Makovsky]

Well, yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I mean, like, what's he out on it? Well, what's, what's in it for him if it's not anything more at this point? Ego, you Know, maybe sit a few out. Bernie, you know, it's. You're not helping. That is Senator John Betterman, who had a meeting yesterday because Senator Schumer sat down with him and said, please don't leave the Democratic Party. We need you. But as moderates, there's really no place for him. And Schumer's being kicked out, too. I mean, I don't know how he wins again, if he runs again. He's already 100 years old, so I don't know if he's going to run. But he's always looking up to Fetterman. He knows if Fetterman flips, it's going to be so tight. You know, Republicans do very well. Or they could be really tight. They could say, okay, 50, 50. Well, not if John Fetterman flips, who basically sits in the cloak room by himself and usually hangs out and goes with Republicans because they like him, because he definitely likes McCormick. They're definitely buddies. So. So John Fetterman just sitting down, talking about where he stays. But I think there's a couple of things going on in politics I think I should share with you. First off, in Texas, I know Ted Cruz had a hard time with Beto o', Rourke, but this is Talarico Talofrico, who can speak and is composed, but his positions are absolutely awful. And you would think it would not fly in Texas. When you talk about God being non binary, you talk about the border, being weak on the border, not kissing if he's for trans men in women's sports. Things like that you would think would make it easy for John Cornyn would have a walk. Ken Paxton is trailing by seven in the last poll. Seven points in Texas, the Republican trailing. Think about that for a second. So Talarico says he's out. He's out raising. He's big time. He's out raising Paxton. But is Paxton going to get going? I see him nowhere. Cut 35. If you become a multimillionaire on a government salary and now own 15 homes on the public's dime, then you should have to answer the public's questions.

[Trey Yingst]

I get it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

If I had Ken Paxton's record of

[Mark Thiessen]

corruption, I wouldn't want to answer these questions either.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But he's asking for your vote. He is asking for your trust. And the people of Texas deserve answers. So I've challenged Ken Paxton to these three televised debates.

[Mark Thiessen]

The networks have already set the dates

[Brian Kilmeade]

and the times and the locations.

[Mark Thiessen]

We're just waiting on Ken Paxton.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And that's all he's got. To debate at some point and now he must because the last poll he's down 5. I should say so tell Rico trails. Talarico leads him by five in the Texas public opinion poll. There's another poll out there today that shows another five point lead for Talarico. If you look at the average it's a little bit less but for the most part Paxton's getting trounced in terms of money raised. So younger Texans seem to be going for Talarico and the guy doesn't really represent anyone in Texas. Little things like not eating meat and not condemning religion and God and Jesus is non binary. All these things you would think be a nonstarter. The good news for Republicans happening in Wisconsin, Tom Tiffany, a solid Republican in as a congressman wants to be the next governor head to head over the would be nominee Francisco Hong. He's got a lead, he's got to lead that significant 40 actually 1 point 43, 42. So he's up by one in that purple state that Tony Evers won back to back governor's races. And I know it really hurt because when you're the governor you control where the primaries are and things to that nature and if something happens and someone resigns, you get to replace that person. So it really matters. So Tony Evers is out and we'll see if Tom Tiffany gets his wish and get the socialists because this woman Hung is a real socialist. At which time she's made it clear she wants to ban the Senate. All those crazy things. You see these the socialists say well she came out and said let's ban the Senate and was pointed out by Tom Tiffany she wants to ban the Senate. So she said I did not ask for ban the Senate. At no time did it ask to ban the Senate, get rid of the Senate. Well it turns out Hung did the congresswoman posted up something very simple and abolish the Senate. And just well it was in the middle of the pandemic and I don't like how Republicans were acting. No, that's not the point. You were asked about it. You said you never said it. In fact you put it online. So I just can't see the people Wisconsin saying let's go socialists. They could say they can go Democrat. I wouldn't think that's a big deal but basically they find out that that's an issue. And I mentioned before about Fetterman being approached. The other thing is Whatley did not get good news in North Carolina Mike Whiteley now down by seven according to the latest poll there the real clear average has a little bit closer. But Mike Whiteley in North Carolina, many people thought well that governor is pretty popular. That will be an opportunity to flip. But in North Carolina you have Mike Watley who will outwork you and get a ton of money because people want to hold that Thom Tillis seat. But we'll see because it's also going to be hard. Oh, don't forget we're coming up on Sunday night, 10 o'.

[Mark Thiessen]

Clock.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We got a great show lined up on One Nation on Fox News. Going to lead with Jim Jordan. We're going to have Jimmy Fayler is going to be on with us too. Bruce Blakeman is going to be there talking about a decree just got from the attorney general, stop cooperating with ICE as Nassau county executive, which he won't. There's going to be a major class as he run for governor. You listen to Brian. Kill me Joe. Keep it here.

[Mark Thiessen]

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hi everyone from 48th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan heard around the country, around the world is the Brian Kilmeade chair. We're finally I've been calling for this

[Michael Makovsky]

for the long time.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We have city run supermarkets. I'm so tired of paying a nickel more for cucumbers. This is really the type of break I was looking for. It's going to be a disaster. And we have a mayor who wants to live up to his promises if not being practical. He says I'm going to tax the rich. He's got a ridiculous tax now that will chase out the rich but doesn't care. Josh Crosshair, Fox News radio political analyst is standing by. And Mark Thiessen needs me to buy some time. So let's get some. Let's go to the big three. Number three, this is an idea that is basically a pyramid scheme. It's basically a Ponzi scheme intellectually with the Democratic Party. And like a parasite which I think the DSA is inside the Democratic Party. This parasite will eventually kill the host. Yes. And that host will be the Democratic Party. Under 100 days to the midterms and Dems are are about to find out if socialism and radicalism can win in a purple state. Hello, Wisconsin and Michigan. While the GOP is struggling in two states, they need to hold on to the Senate. We'll discuss number two.

[Julian Epstein]

We're seeing with our allies now going after their surrogates in Iran across the board, incredible pressure being brought to Iran. And the more these efforts will, I believe, ultimately move the country to a different government.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Admiral ROBERT Harwood going go big and it'll be better. The next move for the president United States, according to the Wall street journal will be 10 to 14 days of an intense 24 hour day campaign along with the IDF to cut down the irgc. I'll discuss that with Mark Thiessen. Number one, although it pains me to do so, under the advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my right under

the fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

That is the ridiculous farcical Anthony Fauci. Fauci takes the Fifth, but it doesn't mean we didn't learn anything from his testimony and the questions that were asked of him, even though he didn't want to answer. The answers may lie with his assistants and his staff as they basically find out that he deleted the word is tons of material. Do they know what that was? Is it any more damning than his 1100 page diary? Mark Thiessen, chief political former chief speechwriter for President Bush. He's a Washington Post columnist and he is a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and a FOX News contributor, which means he has a lot of Christmas parties to go to every year. Mark, how do you do that? I mean, you have so many places to go.

[Mark Thiessen]

It's hard.

[Josh Krach]

It's hard. I've got so many people banning my time.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I mean, how many checks do you have and how many checks do you have coming in?

[Josh Krach]

And I got to pick up your butterfly refresher.

[Julian Epstein]

Yes.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You still, you cannot forget about that. Have you tried it? Have you tried it?

[Josh Krach]

No, because I'm a man.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right.

You're getting a kick out of this.

[Julian Epstein]

All right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So Mark, the president United States hit back yesterday and he said because the militias in Iraq who are affiliated with the IRGC decided to rocket Jordan and Saudi Arabia hit back because they rocketed Aramco, their oil and gas site, as well as have the Houthis trying to shut down the Red Sea. So they hit back for the first time. What do you think the president's going to do? The Wall Street Journal, as I mentioned in the open, the Wall Street Journal says they're looking at Cooper's 14 day plan. He's got 20% of targets he still wants to hit.

[Josh Krach]

Yeah, yeah, we stopped at the 20 yard line and we've gotten, you know, into this cycle of tit for tat Iran violates the MoU. They fire at ships, they fire at Americans. We fire back, then we negotiate again. Then we. It's just. It's never ending, and it's just dragging this whole thing out. You know, just as my understanding is from the public reports that the President was ready to execute Cooper's plan and resume major combat this week. And then all of a sudden, you know, he gets word that, oh, the Iranians want to talk. They're serious now. They really want to. They really. They're desperate for a deal. And so he pauses it. And what happens? They try to kill Americans. I mean, at some point, we have to take no for an answer. And he keeps. You know, he's been very well served by his team. Pete Hegseth and Admiral Cooper have done an amazing job executing the military strategy. You know, John Ratcliffe has done a great, amazing job providing exquisite intelligence. Besant has done an amazing job with Operation Economic Fury. Who hasn't done a great job has been Vice President Vance, who is the author of this memorandum of understanding that has gotten us into this cul de sac where we're stuck in this cycle of strikes, retaliation negotiation. It's like. It's becoming like Lucy with the football. They keep telling the president, oh, this time they're serious, and then they're not. They respond by trying to kill Americans. Eventually, he's going to have to go to combat because he's got two. Trump is not going to take a bad deal. And he has two red lines, which is dismantle the nuclear program and open the Strait. And Iran has made clear they're not going to give those two things. So we just finish the job. Finish the job and stop listening to people who keep giving you bad advice and getting you, you know, getting. Getting you into this cycle that's, you know, bringing it closer and closer to the midterms. And this could have been done months ago.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I want you to hear what General Jack Keane said. Cut 22.

[Michael Makovsky]

We got to open the Straits to Hormuz. If we're not going to be able to do it through negotiations, we've got

[Brian Kilmeade]

to do it by force.

[Michael Makovsky]

Certainly anybody thinking that negotiations is going to be the pathway forward has got to come to grips with what reality is here. Iran is not going to make a deal with us that would satisfy us.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So the negotiations, he doesn't believe should happen. And the President does indicate, according to his people, that there are moderate people there and the IRGC is still doing their own thing. And if that is indeed the case, and if you believe that, just don't even talk to the moderate people if you think they're moderate because they're not making any decisions. So it's either go directly with Fahiti, who seems to be running the irgc, or don't do anything or just, just take them out.

[Josh Krach]

We've, we've had this myth of the moderate Iranians since Iran Contra. I mean, what moderate Iranians? There's, they're all Nazis. They're just, you know, what's happening is that some guys talk to us, but they don't have the power. And the guys who have the power to want to talk to us, you know, they're not in charge the people. And even the moderates, like Galabev, the speaker of the parliament, he was Qasem Soleimani's best friend. These are not moderates. And even if they wanted to get a deal, they don't have the power to implement a deal. There's a very clear, simple strategy. It's complex because it's war. But we need to finish off the target set that we paused at the 20 yard line and bring this into the end zone. Take out their remaining military capabilities, take out the economic capabilities.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Can you do that from the air, Mark? Can you do that from the air?

[Trey Yingst]

Of course you can.

[Josh Krach]

Of course you can. Look, we don't need to put. And this is another thing. Vice President Vance went on. Rogan said, well, the people who want this, they want indefinite war. Send 150,000 troops to. Nobody's saying send 150,000 troops into Iran. Nobody.

[Trey Yingst]

It's this guy.

[Josh Krach]

All he does is put up straw men to take down. He says that there's no, they don't. They just want indefinite war with no objectives. I can lay out the objectives for you. It's pretty simple. Eliminate the remaining leadership targets, further entomb the nuclear sites, take out their remaining ballistic missiles, destroy the economic and energy infrastructure that's giving the IRGC financial lifeline. Take out the roads, airports, bridges, seaports that are given that allow them to trade with their neighbors, demolish what's left of the defense industrial base and then declare victory. So I want to be done.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So one of the, one of the hindrances is to a degree is missile defense with our allies and our bases. So Jim Taslit from Lockheed Martin is part of the problem. Our big four weapons manufacturers have not been manufacturing weapons at a pace that is needed for allies and for today, and look at what Ukraine's doing with their 500 missile companies and look at how they're mass producing. Look at the way Japan and South Korea have learned to mass produce. I'm not saying it's easy, but I'm saying we're usually the best. Here's what he said about our production. He says he had a big announcement. Cut 27. So in our recent earnings call, you're absolutely right. We announced a $230 billion backlog. When you add the $54 billion in this contract modification, you're pushing $300 billion

[Mark Thiessen]

of backlog for the company.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We are well positioned to make that happen. We have a joint plan with the Department of War and our suppliers, really important suppliers to ramp up triple, as you said, the Patriot missile production. We're actually going to be deploying and developing again with our government partners a lower cost Patriot missile that we call PAC3ACE, which will be about half the cost to about two thirds of the mission set. So we want to innovate right along with the production ramp that we're doing. And we can do both of those at the same time. I sense that if you give that licensing of the Patriots and the Thaad to the Ukrainians, I bet you they do it in half the time.

[Josh Krach]

Yeah, and they could probably give us some too, too. Yeah, let's license it to the Ukrainians and have them give us 20% of their production so that we can replenish our stockpiles too. They'll do it faster and better. I mean can you imagine if world. I don't know if you ever read Arthur Herman's book Freedom's Forge about how the US industry came together to win World War II, but can you imagine if we said well we'd love to fight the Nazis but we don't have the weapons? Like no, you build the friggin weapons. It's ridiculous. And like we may have a short term shortage things. You might have to make some strategic choices the President is concerned about because he keeps saying he doesn't want to become Herbert Hoover because if the Iranians hit the economic targets in Saudi Arabia and the Gulf countries, we can't protect everything in Saudi Arabia and Qatar throughout the region. But we can protect the most important things. We stopped Israel from Iran, from launching 300 ballistic missiles at Israel.

[Mark Thiessen]

The Israeli people.

[Josh Krach]

Do you think we can't pick the 10 top economic targets in the Gulf and prevent Iran from striking those? And by the way, if you launch the offensive capabilities and take out their ballistic missile capabilities, they won't be able to fire them in the first place. I mean you know, why didn't they do this when we started the war? You know, they did. They weren't able to hit. They did fire, but eventually it took a few days, but eventually their fires went down because they didn't have anything because we were taking it out. So effectively, we cannot be prevented from carrying out, achieving a strategic victory and allowing the Iranians to win because our defense industrial base is so atrophied that we can't produce weapons. One, it's not true, and two, we have to scale it up so that we can replenish our stockpiles.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What role do you think NATO can play now? Now that we have two straits to deal with? Do you believe the President should Matt Whitaker to start telling these guys, get involved?

[Josh Krach]

Yes. So here's what you do. You finish the military campaign, then you maintain the blockade and you open the strait by force. And then over time, you hand that over to the Europeans as their mission. With the US In a supporting role. Yes, they absolutely have to step up and they're starting to. We have good allies, Poland, Romania, Greece, other countries who've been helping us, you know, work. Let's, let's, let's take the good. You know, NATO isn't a unique, isn't a whole. It's a bunch of individual countries. And some are good allies, some are not such good allies. Let's work with the ones who are good allies and pressure the ones who aren't.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I want to bring you to politics now in Texas, there's a new poll out and Talarico leads Paxts in by seven. What is going on with a candidate who's not without Texas, but his skill set and what he believes doesn't seem to meld with Texas. I much rather have had John Cornyn in, but I'm not in Texas. And they made a choice. Do the Republicans realize they got a problem here?

[Josh Krach]

I don't understand. You know, we are our own worst enemies in a lot of ways. This reminds me of 2022 when we saddled ourselves with, like, weak candidates, you know, Herschel Walker and Dan Bolduc in New Hampshire. And like, we want, we lost all these winnable races because Blake Masters in Arizona, because we, you know, we had a safe incumbent in Texas. Why do we throw him aside? And, you know, we had a, we had a senator in North Carolina who was occasionally a thorn in Trump's side, but isn't he better than having a Democrat in North Carolina? Why do, why do we keep shooting ourselves in the foot? I just don't Understand it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And on the other side, we're going to find out in Wisconsin if purple, in a purple state does socialism sell. And that's going to be the governor's wraith with Hong against Tiffany. And it looks like she's going to win easily and she's running on abolish the Senate, some of those outlandish state. But this is going to be a big question where our country is right now. I know where New York City is. It's a disaster. But I didn't think Wisconsin was there. Are you worried at all?

[Josh Krach]

Well, first of all for the country. I am deeply worried for the country though. I think, you know, if you look at someplace like Michigan where El said is going looks like he's gonna win that Senate race. I mean that's a race that Mike Rogers lost by 18,000 votes last time. That's a purple state. Trump won it. I don't know that they want to pick somebody like that for their candidate. But here's the problem, Brian, is that the Democratic socialists are not that different than the Democrats. I mean, think about it. So they want to abolish the Senate. Well, the Democrats want to get rid of the filibuster in the Senate, which would effectively abolish the Senate. They want to abolish the Supreme Court. Well, the Democrats want to like, want to pack the court, you know, which would which the margin of difference between what the Democratic socialists want to do and what the mainstream Democrats want to do is not that great. It's just a matter of emphasis and rhetoric. They both want to eliminate all the roadblocks to implementing their radical left wing agenda. It's just the Democratic Socialists are upfront about it and the mainstream Democrats are a little bit more casual, cagey.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I am not for getting rid of the filibusters. So many Republicans are. John Thune is not, but the president is. And a lot of people are, you know that you wouldn't think who would be for it or for it. They think it's so short sighted. I'm worried about when Trump's out or Democrats in. You want people. I do not want two extra states. I don't want a pac Supreme Court and I definitely don't want to get rid of Electoral College. Marc Thiessen, thanks so much. Appreciate your diversity. I appreciate all your jobs, your Christmas parties and and your height.

[Josh Krach]

I appreciate you as well, Brian.

[Mark Thiessen]

Thank you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

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[Zoran Hamdani]

We often think about slavery and the complicity in slavery as being exclusively to certain geographic areas of the country. Here in New York City, we were very complicit. This is critically important because this is also what it looks like to acknowledge what history truly was.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What do you know? You came to America seven years ago from Uganda, and now this mayor is telling us we're gonna look at reparations to New Yorkers 200 and, you know, 150 years later. Meanwhile, we were part of the north, the Union fighting against the South. Now, there was slavery prior in the late 1700s, sure, early 1800s, okay. But then we became the home of the Underground Railroad, where Harriet Tubman would use to get people in and out of New York City, out of Rochester. If you read Frederick Douglass's autobiography, he looked at New York as a haven. And that's something. That's a place where you write checks to people who generations ago didn't even live here. And between all the blended different races and ethnicities, by now, it is farcical to have reparations. Al Sharpton could say it all he wants. All these states can do the politically correct thing, but when they come up with a formula, it basically will bankrupt any state in any country. And back then, they were about reconciliation and forgiveness, not writing checks. But here we are in 2026, and this idiot wants to write a check. This is who you elected New York City. And he's worse than anyone imagined. Tell him that when you see.

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I'm going to continue to do that.

[Mark Thiessen]

Whether if it was like a trash bag like Platner, or whether you got a guy like El Sayed, you know, running on, like, is essentially a pro Hamas candidate.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And now with that woman in Wisconsin,

[Mark Thiessen]

you know, that's Democrat Party has to

[Brian Kilmeade]

decide what party do we going to

[Trey Yingst]

stand for and what kind of parties

[Brian Kilmeade]

are we going to tolerate?

[Mark Thiessen]

Tolerate, especially these kind of people.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So that is Senator Fetterman, who's being lobbied by Senator Schumer not to leave the Democratic Party, which is interesting because El Sayed said the first thing he's going to do is try to put Fetterman's head on a. On a pike, which means kill him. Kill him off, because he's moderate and they thought he was going to be more liberal. So you got to literally kill him off. The language is ridiculous and irresponsible, and you're really going to take this guy on Is that going to be a priority if you beget to be become a Michigan senator to take out a Democratic senator? Absolutely dumb. And what the president would he what Fetterman was talking about is Francesco Hung who wants to abolish the Senate. She's a big time socialist. She's about to win the Democratic nomination by all accounts and she's going against Tom Tiffany head to head. Tiffany's got a one point lead in a purple state. Will socialism sell in a purple state? Josh Krash, Fox News radio political analysis and editor in chief of the Jewish Insider. Josh, we're about to find out in Michigan and Wisconsin, aren't we?

[Trey Yingst]

Yeah.

[Mark Thiessen]

This is the biggest test of the socialist movement's staying power, at least within the Democratic Party. You know, I would equate this to a virus that's spreading very fast within the Democratic Party where we talked about what happened in Philadelphia and New York City in the month of June, where there were a lot of Democratic leaders that rationalized what happened in those Mamdani endorsed races as just a product of a very progressive deep blue district. And even I, you know, look, look, you haven't seen it is the first time you've actually seen socialism winning elections in any district in the country. So you know, it's fair to say maybe this is confined to the deepest blue parts of the country. But what we're seeing now in Michigan, in Wisconsin and frankly across the country is that the Democratic Party has been radicalized in social media rapid speed and in every, I mean, you know, governor's races, like socialism was about as toxic as it gets. I mean, maybe for a congressional race you're just talking about a debating society in Washington, maybe the vote doesn't matter as much for governor. You're talking about someone who's going to run your state and actually define the state's policies in cooperation with the state legislature. And that is, that's where you in those governor's races, that's not happening in Wisconsin, not happening in Michigan and it's not happening across the country. Colorado, we saw just the last month and Maine and other parts of the country. We've heard this analogy made in other places. I think Melissa derosa, who was Andrew Cuomo's chief of staff, has called it sort of this rapid virus that's spreading within the Democratic Party. And I don't think they know what's about to hit them because, you know, we know what's happening in the primaries. The biggest question going forward is in Michigan, in Wisconsin and some of these swing states can that sell to a general election? I know Democrats are pretty pessimistic that a socialist candidate as the nominee or someone who's as radical as Abdul El Sayed in Michigan in the Senate race can actually prevail in a general election.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So Francisca Hong dared Tom Tiffany to come up with an example of when she ever said abolish this Senate. So they looked on Twitter and they found a post February 13, 2021 from Francesca Hung abolished the Senate. So she's not even that smart. So she dared everybody to find out. All people had to do was check her history. She didn't even try to delete it. Alison Greer Home Communications Director respond She said, well, that was a different time, was during the pandemic and she was upset with the Senate, so she still wants to do these radical things. Is Mark Thiessen just pointed out to our audience how much different is abolish the Senate and abolish the Department of State than let's pack the Supreme Court and let's abolish ICE and you know, let's add two more states. I mean, either way, Democrats are looking to fundamentally change America, aren't they? And get rid of the filibuster.

[Mark Thiessen]

And that spin does not hold. Even as recently as this past week, she was participating, this is Hong in Wisconsin in a Democratic debate. And she was asked by reporters this past week, does she still support defunding the police as she has also said in the past? And she doubled down. She defended it for like two minutes. You'd watch the whole, the whole interview, post, post, debate, interview online. And she defends it for two minutes and says we need to redirect funds from the police to other social safety measures. Brian, we know how that played in 2020. Like we know how politically toxic even as late as 2024, when Kamala Harris positions in the 2020 race kind of defined her candidacy for president four years later. I mean, this stuff is political politically toxic. And yet you see a lot of these same dynamics in other states. I mean, we're now at the back end of the primary process, but you're seeing socialist candidates come out of the woodwork and compete in some of the more unlikely places in Democratic primaries.

[Brian Kilmeade]

How alarmed are Republicans about this Texas public opinion research poll that has Talarico up 5 on Paxson.

[Mark Thiessen]

So I mean, Texas is a big concern for Republicans. I will say as a student of polls, that is a Democratic sponsored poll. So I would, I would put a little bit of a grain of salt on the actual Numbers. Republicans have the race competitive though, so you know, whether, whether Calarico's up, calorie goes down. I think those numbers are far calorico. And I think, you know, they're partisan ways that pollsters tend to juice the numbers for their side. I would put a little bit of a grain of salt on those numbers, but I do think that Texas is one of those races that should be a runaway race for Republicans if John Cornyn was the nominee and Paxton is a very scandal plagued, problematic candidates. So that's going to be a competitive race for Republicans are going to have to spend quite a bit of money to hold that seat.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So here is James Talarico talking about Ken Paxton, who's got some ethical problems. Cut 35. If you've become a multimillionaire on a government salary and now own 15 homes on the public's dime, then you should have to answer the public's questions.

[Trey Yingst]

I get it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

If I had Ken Paxton's record of corruption, I wouldn't want to answer these questions even either. But he's asking for your vote. He is asking for your trust. And the people of Texas deserve answers. So I've challenged Ken Paxton to these three televised debates.

[Mark Thiessen]

The networks have already set the dates

[Brian Kilmeade]

and the times and the locations.

[Mark Thiessen]

We're just waiting on Ken Paxton.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So, I mean, the guy can talk. Ken Paxton knows issues, but man, he does have problems explaining a lot of his, his investments, air quotes.

[Mark Thiessen]

Yeah, look, there are a lot of issues that Paxton's campaign has. I think fundraising is part of it, but, but the bigger issues are obviously his personal scandals, the messy divorce and breakup with his, with his wife and the, you know, all the scandals around that, the ethical double standards that Del Rico is already raising on the campaign trail. And look, I think Calarico knows he's probably the better debater. He's more agile on the stump and that's why he wants to have more debates. Look, we always have known that the suburban Texas vote is the swing vote in the state of Texas. And the Hispanic vote, which swung to the right in the last couple of elections, Republicans are struggling with the Hispanic vote. And a lot of the stuff that Paxton has, the rhetoric Paxton has used to kind of rally the base now that Republicans are in charge and now that it's less of a salient issue issue in a general election within a general electorate, you know, it's actually turning off some of the moderate suburbanite voters. So, you know, Texas is a red state, but it's going to be much more competitive. Than it usually is. And Paxton, as we talked about so much on the show, Republicans knew what they were getting into. They basically had a candidate in Senator Cornyn who, you know, would have been a very heavy favorite to win the seat and not force Republicans to spend money and get distracted in a red state, depending on the state. But they picked the most problematic candidate and they're going to have to really work to hold that sentence.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So there's a new Fox News poll, Beacon Shaw poll that says Cooper's on top of Whatley 5344. So that's seven. But there was another poll that came out, the Public Policy poll that had it down to a four point race. Where do you think this race is at?

[Mark Thiessen]

Roy Cooper? That's the Senate seat that Democrats are the most optimistic about picking up, which tells you about the environment. North Carolina voted for President Trump three all three times in all three elections. So that's a state that does tilt to the Republicans. And it's, you know, if you, if you take the, I think the Fox numbers may be a little too bullish for Cooper. But you know, everything I've heard from the campaigns is that Cooper has a pretty sizable lead, five, five points or so. So, you know, I think that's a state that Republicans are going to struggle to hold on to and it's a must win certainly for the Democrats to pick up. They won't have any chance of winning the Senate.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Zoe Abdani, the true socialist. He who looks at himself as a power broker at 34 with no experience but promises to build grocery stores run by the city. He promises to go after landlords and now they're suing back. And now yesterday he's defending his Pierre Deter tax which taxes people for having second homes here. Instead of saying thank you, he says pay up, listen to what he said. And by the way, because he did this, they published all the names and addresses of everyone they're going to tax and will tax unless they can prove it to their primary residence.

[Zoran Hamdani]

Cut 44 as we know, this is a surcharge on non primary residences that are worth more than $5 million. And as required by the law, the Department of Finance sent informational resources to homeowners to ensure that they understood the tax, that they understood the options before them and also if they did not believe it to apply to them, that they had the time in order to be able to appeal.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So they have to go and they could do it online and prove it's their primary residence. But publishing all the names they said they had to do it. And is this a reason thing of pride with the socialists, you got to tax the horrible rich people.

[Mark Thiessen]

Look, this is what. This is the easy stuff for Mamdani. He believes, and his movement, the DSA movement believes like that this is what sells the most when it comes to populism. Go after the rich, go after the successful, and that's going to get give you this kind of juice with a base. I mean, what we've learned and we've seen this in cities across the country. When you have this kind of mentality in power and when all these laws and positions are actually implemented, the reality is like people leave the city, the city has trouble paying their bills, the economy goes to haywire, crime goes through the roof because of growing disorder and having trouble kind of keeping the city safe. And the reality is a whole lot worse. Worse than the promises that are made on the front end. So, you know, it's interesting that, you know, Mandani has sort of succeeded rhetorically, but now he's actually trying to move forward with his agenda and maybe he gets it through. He's clearly pushing along and he has the political winds that is back in New York City. But boy, I mean, this what we've seen in other cities. San Francisco is probably the best case example. But there's so many cities across the country where you had rhetoric and an agenda like Mamdani that literally drives people out of the city. And then people turn on the elected officials very fast.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, we're gonna see what's gonna happen now. We're gonna see if this guy is different. And now he's promising to look at reparations in New York as, you know, state was in the Union. But I guess he's looking to write more checks from. I guess Kathy Hochul is gonna give him more money for this.

[Mark Thiessen]

Well, I don't know if she is. I mean, that's the biggest hurdle for Mamdani to accomplish any of his massive redistribution type goals is actually having the money to actually accomplish even the easier stuff like, like all, you know, expanded, you know, preschool and all the other programs that he made promises on on the campaign trail. So Hochul has actually, you know, pushed back quietly, but they don't want the money. Like there's just not enough revenue. But look, I mean, that's why you're hearing more about taxing the rich and more about redistributed, redistributed policies. But even, even there, there's a lot of Democrats in the city that are quietly and Maybe some not so quietly pushing back against this agenda.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Josh Krach with us from Fox News political radio and also also editor in chief of the Jewish Insider. Josh, also want to talk about Bruce Blakeman. According to the latest poll, he's now within four of Governor Kathy Hochul. And he's, you know, he runs Nassau county and another county executive at his county executive there. Another county executive from Rensselaer upstate. Rensselaer, Upstate has refused to go along with the state doctrine which says don't cooperate with ice. Both those state county executives say we will, will. And they're being warned by Letitia James not to. This is gonna benefit Bruce Blakeman, I think, don't you?

[Zoran Hamdani]

Yeah.

[Mark Thiessen]

I mean, what we saw in the 2022 election is that in localities and states where, you know, the party kind of went off the deep end ideologically and it was on crime and policing and immigration in New York in that, in that election, even though Democrats had a good night, there were pockets of Republicans who successes. And New York was like the epicenter of that in 2022. And look, I think you could see a similar dynamic this time around where, you know, I think Mamdani is the face of the franchise. Everyone knows who he is. He's not viewed favorably in the rest of the state of New York. You look at the polling numbers, he is in the city, but not, not in the swing parts of the state. And he's very unfavorably viewed in suburbs across the state. So if I'm Blakeman, I certainly kind of focus on the silent majority of voters who, who want to campaign and speak out against the radical policies and lack of enforcement, in this case in counties and cities that are deep blue in the state. It's going to be a tough environment. I will say New York in a year like this is going to be tough for a Republican like Blakeman, but that's the playbook for him to beat the odds.

[Brian Kilmeade]

He is Jewish and he is a moderate and he's pro choice. And I think those things help New Yorkers who might say, I don't want to take a risk against a real conservative. But just because he's friends with Trump, it doesn't mean he agrees with everything the MAGA world does, does do. Well, that'll help him here.

[Mark Thiessen]

Oh, absolutely. And he's Jewish, he's moderate, he's from Nassau County. That's the, that's an area that was once very Democratic. It swung to the right very decidedly so in the last four years or so. So that is the Playbook starts in the suburbs and it, you know, then you went over the rural conservative parts of the state. That's how you win as a Republican in New York.

[Michael Makovsky]

All right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And Josh, do you think that Todd Blanche gets through?

[Mark Thiessen]

I'm, I mean, boy, this guy's between a rock and a hard place. Because all John Cornyn wants is him to kind of forswear the weaponization fund, which, which clearly I think the President still wants. And yet I think, you know, Trump Blanche is not willing to do that privately to these Republican holdouts. And if not, everything I've heard is that folks like Tillis and Cornyn are not going to, you know, support him if he doesn't, you know, offer those concessions put in writing.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Put in writing that they will not use the SLUG fund.

[Mark Thiessen]

Exactly, exactly. This isn't just a handshake and a quiet agreement. It has to be on paper. And that's something I think the White House doesn't support.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And Josh, this is the problem. The President was sick of Tillis, was sick of wanted Paxson, and then he goes ahead and wanted Cassidy out. So he had three angry senators finishing up the string. It's not gonna be easy.

[Mark Thiessen]

It's basic politics and a basic political blunder from the White House. It's better to have your friends and even your enemies closer. And what Trump did is made whole lot of enemies from people who were friends. And that's gonna make it hard to get his agenda passed and his policies and his cabinet and nominees.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And in the North Carolina seat, it could flip it. So we'll see what happens. Josh, thanks so much. Appreciate it.

[Mark Thiessen]

Thanks.

[Brian Kilmeade]

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unhinged obsession with me would readily come

to the same conclusion. Therefore, although it pains me to do so because of the respect I have for the legislative branch of government and

my decades long record of cooperating with

Congress, under the advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my right under the

fifth amendment of the Constitution to refrain

from answering your question.

[Matt Taibbi]

Questions.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Sir, is it true you were a crack cocaine dealer for seven years? I, I plead the fifth,

sir.

Will you tell us about the cartels

[Matt Taibbi]

you dealt with in your time as

[Brian Kilmeade]

a crack cocaine dealer? No, but I can tell you that I plead the physio.

[Trey Yingst]

Exactly how much money did you earn

[Brian Kilmeade]

in your time as a crack cocaine dealer? So there was that Dave Sham Chappelle from his facial. Yeah, from his show 20 years when he took the fifth. That's funny. Anthony Fauci had to read it every time, but did it over 100 times. Yesterday it was getting some email. Gary writes me and says Fauci's federal pardon does protect him. For a group of states prosecuting him for a crime, this angle should be used. Yeah, I think some people are talking about that. Other people are writing. You know what other people are writing? Did you guys see my look at those historic bars? Bars in Boston?

[Trey Yingst]

Yes.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What are they writing about? Are they writing about your people loving it, going to Boston? Because these two bars date back to the Revolutionary War and I got a series of that. So some people just want a break, want some fun and want to talk about America 250, which is perfect for see me at my shows in CLEARWATER, In Jacksonville, St. Louis, Red bank and Westbury.

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Heard around the country, around the world. A city that's changing rapidly that I think everybody should be focused on. I mean it offers so much. You saw so many great things with the New York Knicks winning in the World cup, being this real hub, the host, the final and everything else. And I think it covered up for a lot of problems with this mayor who I think is intentionally destroying the country. Country, excuse me, destroying the city and his goal of destroying the country, changing everything about it. With a smile on his face, which makes him lethal. But he's so. He does not know what he doesn't know. He knows how to implement things that would change our country. But I hope it results in him falling flat on his face. This hour I'm going to be joined by Bruce Pearl who's a former. The former men's basketball coach over at Auburn and many other times. He is doing a big combat anti Semitism movement. Very motivational guy, wrote a great column in Newsweek. He's going to be with us shortly. Also, they might be passing some NIH legislation in the Senate. Senator Thune said that's definitely possible. I don't know if right now they're focused on getting Todd Blanche confirmed and it's being held up, but maybe they'll get something for it to change college sports for the better. Before we get to Matt Taibbi, let's get to the big three. Number three, this is an idea that is basically a pyramid scheme. It's basically a Ponzi scheme intellectually with the Democratic Party. And like a parasite with which I think the DSA is inside the Democratic Party, this parasite will eventually kill the host. Yes, absolutely. Under 100 days to the midterms, and Dems are about to find out if socialism and radicalism sells in purple states. I'm talking about Wisconsin and Michigan. While the GOP is struggling in two states. They have to win if they want to hold the Senate.

[Julian Epstein]

Number two, we're seeing with our allies now going after their surrogates in Iran. Across the board, incredible pressure being brought to Iran. And the more these efforts will, I believe, ultimately move the country to a

[Brian Kilmeade]

different government, possibly, let's hope, go big or and get better or move on. Mr. President, the pinpricks aren't working. The Wall Street Journal says he's got a plan on the table. 10 to 14 days, along with the IDF, to take out the IRGC. I'd like to see it. Number one, although it pains me to do so, under the advice of my attorneys, I will invoke my right under

the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution. Yep.

And with that, Foushee wasted our time for two hours. He takes the Fifth, but it doesn't mean we didn't learn anything from his testimony. And the answers may lie with his staffers. Who could be coming up next with me now, though, is Matt Taibbi. Matt, we talked before he testified. I didn't really think he was going to take the Fifth. Did it surprise. Surprise you?

[Matt Taibbi]

Absolutely. I had talked to a number of former officials the day before. Everybody speculated about what he might do. Not one person that I talked to thought he was going to invoke on the stand. That was a dramatic moment, I thought, which is not terribly common in Congress. And it ought to be be a moment that propels everybody in a. In the direction of investigating what happened with the pandemic. But it doesn't look like that's going to happen.

[Brian Kilmeade]

No, I mean, we discussed this too, you know, after. The laptop is real. No one believed it. They. Anyone who wrote tweeted that their account taken offline and then the Russia hoax. Everyone knows Russia colluded with the president to win. It turns out that didn't happen, that people got awards for writing those stories about that. And then you have a situation where Joe Biden's mental decline declined. No one acknowledged it. We were seeing it every day until he was eliminated in June. And then people like Jake Tapper made millions of dollars and writing a book about it while ignoring it. You would think that everyone would learn, play, play it straight, but they're not. Lawmakers are playing politics. But for the most part. Did you see much on any other outlet about Foushee and what a fraud he is?

[Matt Taibbi]

Not only did I not see that, but if you look at the New York Times this morning, you' Rand Paul compared to Joe McCarthy for his interrogation of Fauci. So the legend, you have to remember how extreme Fauci mania became in 2020 and 2021. He had a call open with Brad Pitt playing Fauci. You had Joan Baez writing love letters to him, celebrities serenading a message at his birthday. He became a sex symbol, improbably. And that image will not die. People see him as a kind of anti Trump religious figure. When Trump is really not relevant to this whole story. They should have been investigating the science.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, really. I mean, just like, let's just look at what we know. Don't wear masks. Wear a mask six feet away. I never told you to stay six feet away. There's countless examples of him saying you got to stay six feet feet apart. It stopped anyone from going back to school that wasn't a private or charter school. And then you have the situation when it comes to the vaccine. If you take the vaccine, you're not going to get it. You don't have to wear a mask. Everyone started getting sick again. I told you to wear a mask. Then you got to wear it outdoors. You don't have to wear it outdoors. You better not have Christmas. You better not have Hanukkah. At the same time. He's one sitting in the stands without a mask on. He's the one now going out to dinner with Jake Tapper. And while calling Chris Cuomo after his show to say, hey, do you need any help? How can I help you? While showing Barbra Streisand how to work in Alexa. So this is unbelievable. This guy should be the laughingstock of the country.

[Matt Taibbi]

Well, not only the laughing stock, though. I mean, Brian, I mean, he. I see all of that as a ruse to deflect attention from the real issue, which Is how did this bat virus, which can infect bat viruses, by the way, how did it come to have this foreign cleavage site, this extremely rare collection of nucleotides inserted into its genome to make it highly transmissible to human beings, while it's discovered just miles away from an institute that's doing that exact kind of research funded by the United States? We have to figure out the exact sequence of events that led to that. And his stonewalling yesterday isn't going to prevent that. But it should be a warning shot to the press that, look, this is going to end up blowing up in the faces of all of you folks. Might as well just look into this thing.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You would think, you know, laptop is real. We just stopped talking about it. The Russia hoax didn't happen. We just stopped talking about it. And then you have a situation where President Trump is president again. And now we're looking back and we're also seeing the whole thing with the, with the vaccine. I wonder, Matt, what do you think? If President Trump had won reelection, do you think it would have been the exact opposite? Republicans took the vaccine and the Democrats would say it kills people?

[Matt Taibbi]

I think that's entirely possible. There was evidence for that. Remember that both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris talked about their hesitancy to accept any vaccine that had been recommended by Donald Trump. And this is really the key dynamic about the whole Covid story. Whatever Donald Trump said that the press assumed the opposite was true, which is, you know, they accused him of being unscientific, which in some cases I think he was right. He rushed, he jumped gun. But the press wasn't any more scientific in saying just because Donald Trump says this means it's wrong. So when you, when he said we don't see that it's affecting children, that was true. And as a result, we had lockdowns in schools for much longer than we needed to.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And the six feet apart and the

[Matt Taibbi]

six feet apart and all this stuff. And we didn't look into the gain of function stuff.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So here's what Dr. Burke said and she's famously with her scarves, working with Fauci and she saw politics all over this country. Cut five.

[Trey Yingst]

There were solutions, but it became very political. And we all have to be aware because it was a presidential election year,

[Brian Kilmeade]

it was really important for blue states to show that they were taking it very seriously and they over closed.

[Trey Yingst]

And we just have to be honest that that happened. And that's why that discussion from both sides of the aisle and a resolution and a way to go forward is creating critical so that we can do this right in the future.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So, I mean, obviously. And then they wouldn't open up, Matt, they wouldn't open up the schools. These kids were forever harmed. You have, did you, was your family directly affected?

[Matt Taibbi]

A little bit, yeah. I mean, look, my, my kids were home for an awful long time. If I didn't love hanging out with my kids, I'd probably be angry, more, more angry about it. But, but you know, it was completely unnecessary. It put a tremendous strain on families all over the country. But more, more than, than that, it heightened the mass hysteria about this disease and kept people from looking at the real issue. If there had been more effort at protecting people in the older age group, then we probably would have had fewer deaths. Instead, there was this relentless propaganda about vaccination and no other information at all. And that really hurt people.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Absolutely. So the other thing, this, I, so I looked at the questions, I thought, can you get anything out of this? And you can. I did not know that he made nine separate staffers fill out applications to apply for awards. He got $1 million. Shouldn't be doing that. Number two is his assistant deleted a ton of information. Now they're going to probably bring his assistant in, put that person under oath to find out what did you delete mean, imagine the 1100 page diary, how damning that looks, how much he was saying something privately and it's something different publicly. Can you imagine what he deleted?

[Matt Taibbi]

Oh, it boggles the mind to, to imagine. Unfortunately you can't concretely speculate, but would have to have been something that was not flattering or salutary for him. But certainly just looking at the diaries, they're, they're enormously damaged. They show that he had real information, for instance, about, you know, the possibility of genetic engineering and, or the links to the, to the laboratory. And he held that back. He didn't tell the President, didn't tell the public, didn't tell Congress. I mean, all this stuff is terrible. In a normal media environment, this would be a huge scandal.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Here's what Rand Paul said that he learned later that day after the Testimony was over. Cut 9. We also found that he got a million dollar award, but that he used the work of eight government workers, workers to fill out the paperwork for an award that he got them to nominate him that he was discussing with people, hey, nominate me for this prize. And if it has to go through ethics, let's make sure we get the money and everybody make sure we try to get to yes on that I can keep the money. $1 million prize is inappropriate for government scientists, it's inappropriate for government bureaucrats, and it's inappropriate to use government workers to do it. So even though he didn't testify, I think we learned a lot about him. We learned a lot about his decision making process. And really we learned a lot about the things we need to try not to do again. Yeah. And hire him. And basically he was doing policy by interview. But what about the Democrats? Andy Kim, I want to, I apologize by the way you're being treated. I want to salute you for all your help. Senator Blumen, you thank all, you've done a great job. These guys just don't want to examine Donald Trump's ethics problems. That one Democrat, even Fetterman, came out and said, look, I was lieutenant governor, I'm still examining what I did. Wonder if I did anything wrong. Would be great if you would examine something that you might have done wrong.

[Matt Taibbi]

It's unbelievable. And as you point out, it's a parallel to every other scandal beforehand. I mean, when I testified in Congress, I was privately going to the Democrats and saying, saying, you know, look, this is not a partisan issue. This affects both sides. Let's not make it into that. And they didn't want to look at the issue because they thought it redounded poorly for Democrats. This is the same thing. They just think that this is a bad issue for them. So they don't want to look at something that could have catastrophic impact the next time. I mean, the next virus is not going to be harmless to children, most likely, and we're going to have a much more devastating impact. And, and because we're not investigating this now or as much as we could, you know, they're all going to be guilty in the future.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Matt, how did this overlap with what you discovered on X when you were allowed to go in there after Elon Musk bought it?

[Matt Taibbi]

So I, of the Twitter files, reporters, I probably knew the least about COVID when we went in, but in the process of looking at the documents, we found one of the major things that we discovered is that the platforms were not only taking direct direction from the cdc, the, the nih, the Surgeon General's office, but also that they were censoring by narrative and not so much by individual fact. So, for instance, they would be, if you had a true story about somebody who died after they got the vaccine, that could be a true story. But they would say that promoted hesitancy and they would take that down or de amplify it and so this was a radical change in how platforms looked at the whole problem of regulating content. They wanted to align content with the Biden administration's policies. And so as a result, people didn't get good information either about the vaccine or about the virus.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Also, I remember Ron Johnson had that forum about Ivermectin, about that being working, and they took it down. RFK Jr was. Had his account suspended because he doubted that about the vaccine, and he doubted a lot of these policies. I mean, it was. It's amazing how that overlapped with the political process.

[Julian Epstein]

Yeah.

[Matt Taibbi]

And there was no reason for that either. Right. Like, why denigrate, you know, apostle possible cure for what's going on or a possible treatment? Early on, there was no reason to think that Ivermectin couldn't have some possible, you know, important benefit. And there were a lot of doctors that I talked to who were not Republicans, they weren't conservatives who said, yeah, this is working for my patients. But, you know, I don't. I'm getting a lot of flack for trying to get it to people. And the platforms did the same thing. They just assumed out of hand because it was, you know, popular in conservative media, that it had to be wrong. And, yeah, there were studies that did that, that didn't show a lot, but there was no reason to take down the speculation. There was no reason to. To punish people for asking about it. All of that happened.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And when you. We only have 30 seconds. But when you testified the IRS was knocking at your door, weren't they?

[Matt Taibbi]

They were, yeah. And, you know, all we were trying to do is tell people that, hey, this is happening. Your accounts are being. Being censored, and, you know, we were treated like public enemies for that. It was. It was really, you know, boggled the mind.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You got to look up, I mean, go on YouTube and lock Matt testimony. It was absolutely a circus, but you wouldn't play into it. You did a great job, Matt. Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

[Matt Taibbi]

Thanks a lot.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Media keeps letting us down. 1-866-408-7669.

Both sides, all opinions. It's Brian Gilmy. Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kilmeade Show.

Hey, we are back, and we have Bruce Pearl just around the bend. But right now, let's break in. Frank. Frank's in Pennsylvania.

[Josh Krach]

Hey, Frank. Hey, Brian.

[Brian Kilmeade]

How you doing? Some excellent show.

[Trey Yingst]

Just want to bring up two points real quick. The first point is, is that no one's really talking about Fauci on 60 Minutes. Even before the Vaccines were approved. He said he knew the company, he knew the company he was going to use, which was Biontech and follow the money. Let's see where that trail ends. And the other part was second. Second main thing was there were six miners who died in China and they sent the bat lady to go ahead and, and take the, you know, samples. And that's where Covid then was used for gain of function. On that, I think if they followed those two trails, I think that would

[Brian Kilmeade]

answer a lot of questions.

[Josh Krach]

Brian, what do you think?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, I mean, this guy is just. Was not really interested in where it came from, but he just wanted to try to stop it. But he took a long time to try to stop it. And his missteps were legendary and his lack of humility is mad maddening. And now he takes the fifth when we finally get to find out what was really going on behind the scenes. Now think about it. We got 1100 pages and he deleted a ton. How much, what don't we have? And what would it have told? How many people is he covering for? Or how many people are covering for him? Because they wanted grants. And think about this. Before the pandemic, when asked they did a poll. Do you trust the CDC? 82% said yes. Now that number's at 30% percent. And he want to ridicule RFK. Read his book about Anthony Fauci. There's a, there's a one guy I trust there. It's more RFK than anybody else. I'll take a guy that's a little naive to some of the process, but that has a purity of thought and an openness to understanding as opposed to a guy who thinks he knows it all and doesn't want, doesn't want to be questioned.

From his mouth to yours, it's Brian Kilmeade.

[Zoran Hamdani]

I think one of the bedrocks of our city is protest. It is something that has been a part of what makes our city so special that New Yorkers can express themselves whether they are in support or in opposition, no matter on whatever topic. We are talking about someone who has been charged with crimes against humanity, someone who has visited the city on many an occasion and who has been welcomed by previous mayors. And I want to make it very clear that that welcome ends to with me.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So that is the ridiculous mayor of New York City who wants to focus on Prime Minister Netanyahu calling on New Yorkers to protest when he comes in here as invited to the UN for the National Assembly. Bruce Pearl is former fantastic basketball coach in Auburn And a member of the Combat Anti Semitism movement and a U.S. advisory board member there. Wrote a great column over in Newsweek. And Bruce joins us now. Coach, great to see you. Your thoughts about our mayor to sign deciding to call for protest on a world leader.

[Julian Epstein]

Brian, great to be with you. You know, one of the bedrocks of the great city of New York is protest. How about making the bedrock being unbelievable. Schools like a safe place to live and grow up and raise a family. Incredible diversity and ethnicity, Just the greatest city in the world. But no, he says the bedrock is protest. Because see, that's what Islamic do. All they do is complain and protest about how awful everything is here. If it's so awful, why is everybody in the world trying to come here? Look, Brian, he is who he said he was. And the longer he's in power, the more dangerous the man becomes. And from not walking in Israel day parade to walking in every parade to having 18 lawyers be be a part of some judicial judiciary that's going to decide who the next judges in New York are. Half the lawyers in New York are Jewish. I'm just saying. And he doesn't have one of them. These things are not done based on any kind of coincidence. But here's the kicker, Brian.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, okay.

[Julian Epstein]

What he's doing in New York is the exact same thing that the Palestinians have been doing since 1948 in Israel. And that's trying to make it so difficult for the Jews to stay that they're to going to leave. Well, guess what? I tell every Jew in New York that thinks about leaving. You know what? That's exactly what he wants you to do. And what happens to countries or cities when they lose their Jews? I'll tell you what. Take a look at history. It did not go so well.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Also, just look at your bottom line. You want to do all these terrible programs and you want to have your supermarkets. The most successful business in New York City are Jewish run business businesses. They're thriving. And if you're going to make it hard for them, not feel appreciated, they're going to take, they're going to stay in business. They're just not going to give you their tax dollars. I want you to hear how he described bypassing anybody Jewish for his advisory council cut 45.

[Zoran Hamdani]

In my six months of being the mayor, I've had the privilege of appointing a dozen qualified judges from a range of backgrounds, including Jewish judges. And I want to be clear that any suggestions suggestion that the composition of the advisory committee was motivated by religion is false.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you feel Better now,

look, the

[Julian Epstein]

enemy is inside the gate. And he's dangerous, Brian, because he's smart and he knows the things to say that can. That can motivate the public. Of course, this was intentional. If in one hand he's going to brag about the diversity of his city and therefore the diversity of that committee, he should look at things like race, he should look at things like religion. If he's saying he wants diversity in this commission, you don't have to do it that way. But on the one hand, you can't say you're doing it this way and that then not doing it all the way. And so, yeah, it's. It makes no sense. Brian, I thought about something else I wanted to share with you. You and I have talked so much about, and you've asked me, like, coach, why the rise in antisemitism? Why? Right. Why right now? What's. What's taking place right now? And I thought about this, Brian, and here's here. And this is not. This is not anything new. But when you combine. When you combine Islamic extremism and the Islam. Islamism that has entered into the Democratic Party, okay, they obviously don't like the Jews. Israel's victory is Islam's defeat because the fact that it exists and it thrives right in the middle of their Mecca, okay, you then combine that with socialism or communism. Well, the Jews that came to America did really well in capitalistic society, in a democratic society, in a free society where they had the ability to work hard, get educated, and absolutely live the American dream like America's. Jews should be the most patriotic people on the planet, because there's never been a time in our histories of 3,500 years where there's ever been a place that's been better for us to live with freedom of religion and freedom of commerce than the United States of America. And guess who hates that? The democratic socialists, the communists, and the Islamic extremists. And that's why they are attacking Jews in this country. And I think that you, as a great patriot and other great patriots, are absolutely recognizing that, no question.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And it's all combining, too. And people say when you're anti Semitic, you're really anti American. And if they might start with being anti Semitic, but it really goes to the freedom the whole country has. So that's what's going to eventually be targeted. And that's who we see. The El Said guy said, well, I'm not a socialist, but everything about him running for Michigan Senate race is socialist and extremist. And he's all for globalized the infantada. And you know, he hands out with Hassan Piker, who you know is as despicable as it gets, thinks we deserve 9, 11, it will take Hamas any day. Once called for the death of Rick Scott. So those are the people this guy pals around with. So it's pretty much everywhere. I want you to hear something else that he's doing. He's actually entertaining reparations for New York City for New York cut 48.

[Zoran Hamdani]

We often think about slavery and the complicity in slavery as being exclusively to certain geographic areas of the country. Here in New York City we were very complicit. This is critically important because this is also what it looks like to acknowledge what history truly was.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So he's going to acknowledge that New York was part of the union, this was the end of the underground railroad that Harriet Tubman put together. It's where Frederick Douglass lived. Cuz he felt safe here. And now he wants to write a big check to the legacy of African Americans, which you're gonna have trouble even finding, finding them.

[Julian Epstein]

Well, Brian, he's a politician and he's, and he's smart and he recognizes that in his election the Hispanic community did

[Trey Yingst]

not vote for him.

[Julian Epstein]

The African American community did not vote for him. Unions and hardworking Americans did not vote for him. He was able to capture a bunch of college educated young people that haven't made it yet. And they want change for the sake of change. So if you bring up reparations, obviously that's going to perk the interest of African Americans saying, hey, cut me in, I'll take a piece of that, that pie. Even though they may never have been, obviously they weren't slaves. The other thing to recognize slavery still exists around the world and where it exists the most is in these Islamic extremist countries. They're getting right out of Africa just like we did back in the day. And it's wrong. And African Americans in this country know that they're not going to be fooled.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Bruce, how many years did you spend on different campuses in your, your career

[Julian Epstein]

probably? Well, I mean, Brian, I coached for 48 years in college basketball as a head coach in 30 years. So how many college campuses was I on in 48 years?

[Brian Kilmeade]

You didn't just stay in the gym. I'm sure you walked the campus, taught classes. Did you notice the changing students in curriculum? The lack of history knowledge and caring about our country? Have you noticed that? Did you get outside side the, the athletic department?

[Julian Epstein]

Oh yeah. I mean, because that's what that, that was one of the keys to my success, Brian, is I, to whom much is given, much is expected. And, and what I did, I participated in every university that I was at in, in ways that had nothing to do with athletics, to try to help our students come in and grow and achieve and love their country, love their God and, and, and leave our community and go make America great again and make it even better. So yeah, I was outside that. I, I, I think that, you know, obviously what took place with diversity, equity, inclusion as, you know, how the pendulum swing. Look, affirmative action was really important back in the day because we had, we had a long way to go to give everybody a better opportunity. And we made some adjustments in that. And I think it was important. Like every pendulum that swings, it probably went too far. And then we had qualified people that weren't going to be able to get into schools and in jobs and things like that because they weren't the right sex or they weren't the right white race. And there has to be some adjustment. And there was, but the adjustment was then to just hate our country and to teach our young people how awful we are. Yeah, we, we are not perfect, but this is the best place in the world to work and to live. And we're simply, you know, trying to make it better. I think conservative, hardworking Americans did not get an education. And I know this is a shot and I'm taking a shot at universities and, and the educational system, but I always used to say those that can't do and those that can't sometimes teach. Now I was a coach. I couldn't play, but I coached. So I don't mean to be a hypocrite. I'm just saying that, that, that your best attorneys, they're out there actually practicing law and, and, and, and doing really well. There are other attorneys that are out there that, and they're teaching law and, and, and so as a result, the people that are in there teaching our kids are way more left, way more liberal, have a lot of different ideas about capitalism than the American way. And obviously being infiltrated with all this foreign money. They've invested tremendously and not only sending students, but also sending faculty. These, the people that are teaching our children. And as a result, when we do all the polling of where everybody is, the younger people are way more left, way more liberal, way more compassionate to Hamas and terrorism because they bought into the fact that, fact that they've been, there's been an apartheid or there's been a genocide which is a complete and total lie and falsehood. But that's what they've been taught, and that's the battle we're fighting.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And now we have this thing called the podcast world, who just want to have conversations. I might bring Proust Bro in and Bruce, you could say anything you want. You're here as my guest and I'm not going to really challenge you. You're going to just tell me your opinions. That's really what Joe Rogan does. Does a great job. Fantastic listener. We'll have an explorer in one minute and an astrologist in the next and a comedian in. So he made this statement about Gaza, cut 29. The fact that a take on something that. If you're just looking at it, like what is. How could you defend that? Like, how could anybody defend that, right? I don't even know how many people are dead. You have a complete wipeout of a City. Like 90% of Gaza's gone or whatever the percentage is. You look at the buildings, you look

[Michael Makovsky]

at what it used to look like,

[Brian Kilmeade]

you look at what it looks like now, you. This is defensible. So we loose lost Bruce. I don't know how much he heard, but you heard Joe Rogan just say this is genocide. There's no doubt about it. 90% have been wiped out. How could you say anything different? He says, you look at the buildings, you look at what used to look like and you look at what it looks like now. Like, this is defensible. Yeah, it's absolutely defensible. If you ask me. I want Bruce to have a chance to answer it, because people just get this idea it's genocide, and that's it. Of all people, Laura Loomer, who for some reason has the President's ear, he really tried trust her. She was just coming out deciding who is loyal to President Trump and who is not. But she was one of the people that came out and called out Ukraine and said, they're corrupt, the Russia had no choice about the invasion. She came out and said, I saw for myself that I was lied to. So, Bruce, I don't know if you heard what Joe Rogan said. If you heard that clip, as I was playing it as my fault, Brian.

[Julian Epstein]

No, I didn't hear it. All about Gaza.

[Brian Kilmeade]

He said it was. He goes, no doubt about it was genocide. 90% of the buildings are down.

[Julian Epstein]

Yep, 90% of the buildings are down. Absolutely. But when you drop 200,000 bombs and you kill about 60,000 people, 30,000 of which are male terrorists, okay. It's the most humane urban warfare that's ever been fought that the math just doesn't add up. Yep, the place has been destroyed.

[Trey Yingst]

Why?

[Julian Epstein]

Because they were hiding under internal tunnels underneath churches, inside of hospitals. They're launching rockets from. From people's living rooms. Look, there absolutely wasn't an out of genocide. A genocide is when you're trying to remove a people from existence. Okay. After October 7th, Israel could have gone in there and dropped three bombs and killed 2 million people. And they did not do that. They want to be able to get rid of Hamas. They want to that. We got to get back to a place, Brian, where people remember what Golden Meyer said. And that's simply that this. When the Palestinians or the Arabs stop hating the Jews more than they love their children, we're never going to have peace. And you're seeing places like UAE that have adopted that and they've turned things around. So I believe it can be turned around. And President Trump with what he's doing right now and his involvement in the Middle east. And listen, he did not want in Trump too, to have to go back in there and do what he's doing right now. He didn't to want. Want to. But guess what? He wanted to see if he maybe could change the course of history in the Middle East. And Brian, he's doing it. Good is lining up on the side of good. Evil's lining up on the side of evil. The terrorists have been exposed. America is safer because of it. I know it comes with a cost, but I think a nuclear Iran, okay, would be worse. Any of the costs that we've paid

[Brian Kilmeade]

so far, and you will not be able to have any sort of peace in the Middle east as long as Iran. Iran is propping up these proxies, training and telling them to continue to hit Israel. Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis, that's all Israel, Iran, Iran stops funding them, they go away, and then we'll have this huge situation, good situation when it comes to the Abraham Accords. Bruce, do you miss basketball?

[Julian Epstein]

No, I love basketball and basketball was great to me, but it was time to do something else. Brian. I love my country. And right now my opponent's no longer the sec. My opponent is anybody that hates our country and our Judeo Christian way of life. And I tell you what, that's a, that's a potent, a very important point to fight.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Go get him, Bruce. Doing a great job and you're using your fantastic communication skills to get that point across. Bruce. Pearl, thank you. Talk to you again soon. Back a moment the headlines, the stories

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Well, last poll that I saw in Pennsylvania, not a whole lot of Democrats

[Matt Taibbi]

think that he is representing them.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And as you know, there's some question whether or not he flips and becomes a Republican. So I would not put too much credibility on what somebody like Fetterman says.

[Josh Krach]

He said you should sit this out some.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What he said, yeah. Do you think I should take his advice?

[Julian Epstein]

I probably won't.

[Josh Krach]

John.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Not going to take your advice.

[Julian Epstein]

We're going to work as hard as

[Brian Kilmeade]

we can not only to elect El Sayed, but Peggy Flanagan in Minnesota and strong congressional candidates all over this country. Yeah, he does not enter in John Fetterman, who just shows you how different I am from Bernie Sanders and you are too. I mean, doesn't sound crazy, just says he acts like. Why would we listen to John Fetterman, a guy that votes Democrat 80 something percent of the time but has this thing called common sense and even though he's not Jewish, likes Israel does, sees him as an ally, sees Iran as a problem, sees the border that needs to be enforced is those never used to be Democratic ideals. But that's why Chuck Schumer evidently sought out Fetterman. Said whatever you do, don't switch parties. I also found a pretty good source, said he when he goes to the Coke Room and the Democratic, you know, in the Senate where they, they hang out, nobody talks to him. So he has now picked stop going in there and he goes and sits with the Republicans. I'd be real nervous because either way, if you look at seats that could flip, Michigan probably is going to flip to Republicans. If I was a betting man and I think perhaps New Hampshire. But if you look at Democrats, they got to feel good about holding on to Georgia. I didn't think they would. In North Carolina, I like Mike Watley, but right now he is trailing. So maybe they think they can fall, flip that. And maybe they think they'll get lucky in Iowa, Ohio and Texas, which means a lot of pressure on Fetterman. You keep treating him like crap and Bernie Sanders saying what he's saying and acting socialist, he's going to go, I don't want any part of this party. You know, he doesn't agree with everything Trump does. But you know, what Trump did, appreciates him. Had him down to Mar a Lago and there's a line of communication. If he had something he needed, I'm telling you right now, the White House would get it done because they really appreciate appreciate him. That's why I really wish, as much as I, you know, guys like Jim justice do a great job in the Senate. But Mansion was always a beacon of hope, as was Senator Cinema, because they just wouldn't be crazy. They'd be Democrats. It wouldn't be crazy. Don't forget to go to briankillme.com find out when I'm going to be with the Uniting the States tour. Can pre order the book, but don't forget Old Westbury. I'm going to be as well as Red Bank, New Jersey.

[Mark Thiessen]

It.