Iran Again Breaks Truce, Pressure Mounts to “Finish the Job”

Summary

Brian Kilmeade Show – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Iran Again Breaks Truce, Pressure Mounts to “Finish the Job”
Date: June 8, 2026
Host: Brian Kilmeade
Notable Guests: Lawrence Jones, Brent Sadler, Dylan Nealis, Andrew McCarthy, Andrew Giuliani, Bruce Schneier, Ben Domenech, Steve Ashburner

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Episode Overview

This episode covers the major breaking news of Iran firing missiles into Israel, a direct violation of the April 8th truce, sparking concern over renewed conflict in the Middle East. Host Brian Kilmeade, with a diverse set of guests, dives into the U.S. and Israeli response, political implications, domestic political controversies, and major sports events including the NBA Finals and the upcoming World Cup. The episode weaves in vibrant political commentary, security and policy analysis, and spirited sports discussion, keeping the tone kinetic and candid.

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Key Sections & Discussion Points

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1. Election Integrity and Primaries

[00:15–06:00]

California Voting Controversies

• Brian & Lawrence Jones discuss the protracted vote-counting process in California, dubbing it an “embarrassment.” They question the integrity around mail-in ballots and lack of ID standards, highlighting how “even your class president’s race” is more transparent.
• Quote:
  “Anybody that asks a question about how this is going down is labeled a conspiracy theorist. It’s unbelievable. This is not normal.” — Lawrence Jones [01:07]
• Skepticism about results for LA races and a feeling the system is either “extremely broken” or intentionally “designed to create despair.”
  Lawrence Jones: “I fail to believe that that's truly Los Angeles.” [03:28]

The Rise and Fall of Reform Candidates

• Discussion about candidates like Rick Caruso, Spencer Pratt, and Karen Bass, with focus on apparent shifts post-election day.
• Anecdote about past elections seemed to favor reformers like Caruso on election day, only to be overturned weeks later by mail-in ballots.

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2. The Graham Platner Controversy

[06:06–10:16]

• Lawrence Jones describes Democratic primary candidate Graham Platner as a “complete disaster” with damaging opposition research already surfacing (“grabbing women, cheating on wife, Nazi tattoo rumors, online accounts on apps frequented by minors”).
• Discussion on the circular firing squad within the Democratic Party and expectations of an “October surprise.”
• Quote:
  “He's impeachment PAC. He's a maniac. And he has no basic understanding of United States government.” — Lawrence Jones [09:43]
• Brian Kilmeade plays clips of Platner attempting to rebrand as the “regular guy,” only for the panel to ridicule his privileged background and contradictory rhetoric.

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3. NBA Finals & Sporting Events

[10:16–15:06, 36:39–38:11, 71:01–108:12]

Knicks vs. Spurs: The NY Sports Scene

• Lively sports banter with Lawrence Jones, Dylan Nealis, and Steve Ashburner about the Knicks’ magical playoff run, the intensity of NYC sports fans, and high-ticket prices keeping genuine fans at bay.
• Quote:
  “No one ever argued that New Yorkers had class… Just like they're going to assault cops outside of the stadium.” — Lawrence Jones [10:37]
• The psychological edge, injury concerns (e.g., with Wembanyama), and the effect of a celebrity-packed Madison Square Garden.
• Steve Ashburner frames the Knicks as “greater than the sum of their parts”, commending their recent clutch performances and organic team chemistry.
• Jalen Brunson gets compared to “Smokin’ Joe Frazier” for his tenacity and unique footwork:
  “He is kind of relentless, and he burrows in…” — Steve Ashburner [101:23]

President Attending the Game

• Discussion on political optics and possible crowd reactions.
• “They're gonna boo him. It's New York… but he’s taking the guts to go in there.” — Lawrence Jones [12:34]

World Cup Preview

• Dylan Nealis (Red Bulls) previews the U.S. Soccer team’s prospects, the shift to an European schedule in the MLS, and roster news ahead of the U.S. vs. Paraguay match at SoFi Stadium.
• “They’re being underdogs this year, so I think they're going into the tournament flying.” — Dylan Nealis [30:13]
• Nealis comments on the “electric” home environment but laments ticket prices making it inaccessible for many fans.

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4. Iran-Israel Crisis: Breaking the Truce

[19:03–27:48, 76:21–83:53]

Immediate Recap and Response

• Brian Kilmeade recaps: “Iran clearly broke the April 8 truce today by firing missiles at Israel.” [19:03]
• U.S. and Israeli diplomatic and military responses are discussed, including airstrikes against Iranian radar sites and a petrochemical plant.
• Panel reflects on whether military escalation and ending the truce are now unavoidable.

Expert Analysis: Brent Sadler (Naval Warfare Expert)

• Argues it's time for the U.S. and allies to “take the gloves off” and target IRGC leadership and infrastructure directly.
• Quote:
  “It’s the IRGC that runs their proxy Hezbollah in Beirut who’s been suffering the defeats.” — Brent Sadler [20:41]
• Suggests attacks on oil facilities and “sustained operations” to deprive IRGC of power and revenue.

Political and Economic Implications

• Ben Domenech and Brian Kilmeade discuss the political and fuel price calculations facing President Trump, with the consensus that “trying to continue on in a ceasefire that the IRGC is using to its advantage” is futile.
• “We just need to take it all the way to the end… It’s worse to not have a victory at the end of this conflict.” — Ben Domenech [78:45, 83:05]

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5. Foreign Influence and Domestic Radicalism

[41:03–51:22, 84:07–87:06]

Islamist Infiltration & 2026 Political Candidates

• Andrew McCarthy explores the disturbing alliances between Islamist organizations and segments of the U.S. left, tracing campus radicalization through the Muslim Student Association.
• Unpacks the case of Adam Hamoui, a current congressional candidate in NJ, whose ties to radical cleric Omar Abdel-Rahman (Blind Sheikh) are detailed.
• “When the blind Sheikh came here in 1990… he called for violent jihad against America.” — Andrew McCarthy [44:38]
• McCarthy sees Platner's continued candidacy, despite scandals, as a sign of Democratic fear of alienating their radical base.

The Graham Platner Dilemma

• Both Kilmeade and guests flay the Democratic establishment for not forcefully rejecting extremist or scandal-tainted candidates.
• “Why would you ever want to own this? Have some kind of principle that says to you, no, this guy is not acceptable!” — Ben Domenech [86:26]

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6. Artificial Intelligence: Hype, Fear, and Democracy

[55:53–70:29]

AI’s Disruption: Bruce Schneier Interview

• Kilmeade unpacks the fear among Gen Z regarding AI’s effect on jobs, referencing student protests against AI-themed commencement addresses.
• “The only solution is to be flexible. It’s a terrible answer, but it’s the best we have.” — Bruce Schneier [57:35]
• Schneier emphasizes AI’s dual nature (can make professionals more effective or obsolete) and argues that policy, not technology, will shape whether AI helps or harms workers.

Democracy & Regulation

• Schneier raises concerns about AI’s effect on democracy—not deepfakes, but the ability for regular people to run for office aided by AI, seeing potential for good at local levels.
• On Sanders/Warren proposals to tax or nationalize AI companies: “That’s a huge conflict of interest for the government to own stock in the companies they regulate… we need to somehow share in the wealth of the data we generated… through excise taxes, not ownership.” [65:19]
• Calls U.S.-China AI rivalry much overstated—“This is not an arms race.” [68:31]—and discusses the open, public nature of global AI research.

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7. Media Controversy: The Firing of Scott Pelley

[87:28–91:26, 108:41–109:17]

• After 60 Minutes host Scott Pelley’s firing for “insubordination,” Kilmeade and Ben Domenech ridicule the premise that newsroom legends are above criticism or editorial oversight.
• “You walk into a company meeting with your boss and call them a murderer, you’re gonna get fired.” — Ben Domenech [88:31]
• Kilmeade contrasts Pelley’s attitude with journalistic legends like Andy Rooney, suggesting a generational change is overdue.

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Most Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Iranian violation of the truce:
  “I just don’t know how we avoid going back to war full bore and just do them for 10, 14 days and let them know their actions don't stand.” — Brian Kilmeade [19:56]

• On Democratic Party rifts:
  “They are so scared of these people, and I don't know why they are willing to accept the idea that they just have to cede their entire party to these insane folks…” — Ben Domenech [84:07]

• On sports as civic unifier:
  “...this is what sports is best for. You could be diametrically opposed to the guy sitting at your elbow, but if you’re rooting for the same team, you got all sorts of stuff in common.” — Steve Ashburner [106:41]

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• California election integrity/LA mayoral race: [00:15–06:00]
• Graham Platner controversy: [06:06–10:16, 38:11, 75:23–77:22, 84:07–87:06]
• Iran breaks truce, expert commentary: [19:03–27:48, 76:21–83:53]
• NBA Finals & sports banter: [10:16–15:06, 36:39–38:11, 71:01–108:12]
• World Cup preview with Dylan Nealis: [27:17–36:46]
• Islamist influence in politics (Andrew McCarthy): [41:03–51:22]
• AI and democracy, Bruce Schneier interview: [55:53–70:29]
• Media/Scott Pelley controversy: [87:28–91:26, 108:41–109:17]

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Tone & Style

The episode is high-energy, unfiltered, and direct—mixing humor and derision (especially toward political opponents) with the fast-moving analysis of current events. Sports segments are lively and passionate, blending hometown rooting with broader commentary about the societal importance of the games.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

You’ll stay current on the latest Iran-Israel clashes and U.S. policy debates, understand where contentious primaries and media narratives stand, and enjoy in-depth previews of the NBA Finals and the World Cup. The show’s guests bring specialized expertise and sharp, sometimes biting, opinions. Expect frank debate on election integrity, extremism in politics, the future of AI, and the role of sports in American culture.

Transcript

[Brian Kilmeade]

From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division, it's Brian Kilmeade.

All right. From 48th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan. Heard around the country, around the world, the Brian Kilmeade show is coming your way in 35 minutes. Captain Brett Sadler will be with us from defense from the Advanced Technical alliance center for National Security. The he's a research fellow there. And then Dylan Neal is one of the stars of the Red Bulls will be breaking down the World cup. Our chances of being successful. And Lawrence Jones is here right now. So Lawrence, so much going on. We got primaries tomorrow. We got the Iran, Iran and Israel exchanging, exchanging missile attacks. And of course we also have the situation in California where we're supposed to tolerate two weeks to count votes with the crazy ballot harvesting and voter ID that could be your gym membership if you don't have a license, just show me you belong to Crunch Fitness.

[Lawrence Jones]

So it's interesting because it takes them two weeks to count and everybody gets a ballot if they're registered to vote, mail in if they want to. The tally is going back and forth and it doesn't make any sense. And anybody that asked a question about how this is going down is labeled a conspiracy theorist. It's unbelievable. This is not normal.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We're not buying it. Biden, you played that game.

[Lawrence Jones]

Not binded at all.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Now think about this. Just, just let's look practical. Forget about Oz. But what are the chances are bass locks up first place 34% of the vote. What are the chances that the next 40% of the vote would basically all

[Lawrence Jones]

be going days later.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. Be going to Ramen. Really. So Bass is being shut out and Spencer Pratt mysteriously is trailing by a point.

[Lawrence Jones]

Correct.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Everyone loves the left wing socialists and

[Lawrence Jones]

we're all supposed to believe it. All I'm saying is in a normal soc even your I made this point on Friends earlier. Even in a class president's race, you find out the day of. Okay? You just find out the day of. And it's not mail in ballots. Everybody's ballots counted the day of. And I'm not saying early voting can happen, but you can't have ballots just traveling through the mail. And they say as long as it's postmarked the day of election, then it's fine. That's such a terrible process.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Are they the worst?

[Lawrence Jones]

No other state does that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Does, does, does Los Angeles have the worst mailman ever? I mean, two weeks to deliver a Los Angeles, California.

[Lawrence Jones]

Exactly.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Here, here's Billy Bush. He was on with me Sunday night. Cut 15. I think Spencer Pratt, because of his ability to communicate and connect and his charisma and his. And his ability to communicate on social media, I don't think Karen Bass can handle him. I think he's. It's too much for her. She know how to respond to him. He's never seen anything like this. And that's why somehow this is the break the glass moment that Governor Gavin Newsom talked about, isn't it?

[Lawrence Jones]

So we can look at this two ways. Either the system is extremely broken in California, or they want this. They want the despair in their state, in their city, needles all over the place, people robbing people at will.

[Andrew McCarthy]

Right.

[Lawrence Jones]

And the house is to burn down. I fail to believe that that's truly Los Angeles.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right.

[Lawrence Jones]

I just can't believe that unless all

[Brian Kilmeade]

the people that would balance it out left already, left in the same way they're leaving New York. And that's why we end up with a socialist who says, yeah, I'm a socialist. I don't think billionaires should exist and globalize. The. It's just people have a point of view, that's fine. I don't see anything wrong with that. And you think, okay, they just eliminated themselves, he wins. So maybe that's what's happening. You got the extremist cities and maybe San Francisco's a one off. Chez Bodine gets sidelined because he wouldn't prosecute crime. They recalled him, and then they have a mayor from the Levi's family, Rich, who takes over and starts cracking down. And I thought this is the template, that's the model.

[Lawrence Jones]

Right. You don't have to be necessarily conservative, but at least be reasonable. At least have laws, at least believe in law enforcement. Yeah, Brian. I'm just saying all the videos I saw of people, average day, people in the middle of the street, show that there was some sense of change coming in Los Angeles. If the. The voting is what it is. It looks like they've gotten worse because the candidate last year. What's the guy's name, Spencer, did worse than he did.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right.

[Lawrence Jones]

So we've gone in reverse. So if the voting is true.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So what I did is I looked up today, I got my tabs. I'm very proud of my tabs today. We started the show, I had no tabs.

[Lawrence Jones]

It was a little rocky.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. It was a little burnt up because I realized I didn't do my test. I'm like, why am I. Why am I cold cut up? I'm just talking to Lawrence and Ainsley on the couch, I go wait, I never did my tabs. But Rick Caruso last time basically wins election day by six points. So he beats Karen Bass by six points. And then they start counting votes and it takes two weeks, he loses by four. And no one said anything because we had so many different elections going on, right? So many different elections. So nobody said anything. And Rick Caruso didn't protest cuz he said, listen, I lost. And you would have seen Rick Caruso owns these condominiums and owns these villages and these hoas. And when it came to those fires that were, it was arson by the way, he had all the roofs wet and he hired his own fire department so he was able to save this community. That's what you would have had in Los Angeles.

[Lawrence Jones]

So he, he loses by 4 percentage points, right? Yeah, you get, you got Spencer Pratt. That's not even cutting 30% now what is going on?

[Andrew McCarthy]

Right?

[Brian Kilmeade]

And he, and he basically was leading for in the early percent. So that's crazy. The other thing that's going on today is tomorrow Graham Platner is going to be running for the Democratic nomination.

[Lawrence Jones]

Maniac.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And I believe, and you believe too that Republicans should him to win.

[Lawrence Jones]

Of course they want him. All this opposition research right now is coming from Democrats. You can bet your money on it. The Republicans were saving all of their oppo for November because that's what you do. You leave all the dirt and then you have an October surprise, right? So he's a non stop, right? So this guy is a complete disaster. So this is the Democrats oppo right now grabbing women's arms, right? Locking them in bad, barricading them in. That's kidnapping by the way. He could be charged for that, right? If everything was done appropriately. Grabbing them, the women, abuse, cheating on his wife. Now he's on this site that kids are on, right? It's called Kick Kik. 70% of the people, I mean intelligence have done a lot of research on 70% of the people on there are minors. What are you doing on there with a bunch of kids? We always have to do the legal disclaimer of he has not been charged with anything. He has not been charged with anything involving children. But he's on the site that is known for that. So good luck guys to listen when

[Brian Kilmeade]

you hear him explaining himself. Cut 18.

[Graham Platner]

I am very much just some random guy from Sullivan name.

[Andrew McCarthy]

No, you're not.

[Graham Platner]

In a moment like this in history, if we can show that a regular person from the regular world who simply comes out with a Message saying that we all have to work together to push back against all of the structures of power that have been exploiting and oppressing us for generations. If we show that that works, we get to show this country the way forward.

[Lawrence Jones]

Excuse me. You're part of the oppression. If we, if we go by your rules, you're Nepo, baby. Your family has money. You are part of the oppressive class. So he's pretending to be this average day Joe and he's not. He just isn't. And I think the guy needs help, right? Everything that he has done being all over the place, despite him just being a blatant racist.

[Andrew McCarthy]

Right.

[Lawrence Jones]

He knew about the tattoo that also came out in the room.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What tattoo you talking about?

[Lawrence Jones]

The Nazi tattoo. Yeah, the Tutukova, whatever his name is. Apparently his whole brigade got that tattoo, this tattoo where the Nazi prison guards and the girlfriend told him about it. And he already knew. So this is proud of it. Proud of it. So none of the excuses are non apologies are passing the smell test.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I want you to hear what he says he will do when in office. So not only is he a terrible person, right. With a horrible background. Not only is he blaming his military service for his actions and behavior. Listen to this. Cut 19. What he would do if he got

[Graham Platner]

in Congress was set up to have power. It was set up to legislate and implement it. And one of the ways that the only way I think that we're going to be able to deal with this is to have the United States Senate re. Engage with its power when it comes to the Supreme Court. And by this, I mean ethics, oversight. If, if the Senate chose to, it could impose the same ethics standards on the Supreme Court that we, that we have for every other federal judge. And if we did that, I think there's a compelling case for the impeachment and removal of at least two of them.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So that's what they're gonna try to do.

[Lawrence Jones]

So he's impeach your pac. He's a maniac. And he has no basic understanding of United States government. It's a co. Equal branch of government. You do not have oversight at all at any point of the Supreme Court of the Supreme Court, period. Now you get to approve the president's appointment. That's it. You don't get to hire him. Firearm. Now, there are impeachable. There are impeachable offenses.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But.

[Lawrence Jones]

But he's not even alleging that. He said he wants to manage the day to day of the court. I mean, come on, guys.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So now that's the serious stuff now, the fun stuff. Tonight, game three. I don't want msg. San Antonio spurs come to town. Nick fans greeted the spurs bus and they actually just were chanting as they all walked out of the bus into the hotel room to try to intimidate the spurs who have dropped the first two home. You are a true Blue spurs fan.

[Lawrence Jones]

No, no.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You're not just from Texas. You care about the team.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah. I'm a lifelong spurs fan. Tim Duncan is my favorite person. And no one ever argued that New Yorkers had class. Okay. So that we're going to be greeted true. We're going to be greeted that way. Just like they're going to assault cops outside of the stadium. I don't like that and can't even enjoy them. Just crazy stuff. Just crazy stuff. But you can't. You can't deny this is a special team. And Cat has been bullying Wemby and I just hope that whatever coma he's in right now that he awakens because we need him.

[Brian Kilmeade]

He doesn't miss free throws.

[Lawrence Jones]

I'll give you he doesn't miss free throws.

[Brian Kilmeade]

He's good from the outside, but he's 7 5. He should go.

[Lawrence Jones]

He's making amateur mistakes, so hopefully he awakens tonight.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Some people say that he's exhausted because they've limited his minutes so much. And he's 23. I thought it'd be the other way around. It's impossible to exhaust a 23 year old. Here he is talking about what it's going to take to come back cut 37. The biggest lesson is that we need to capitalize and actually use all the efforts we did because it felt like we did a lot. We did a lot of things wrong. But we also were relentless and kept pushing but kind of like wasted that effort. Even though I know it's not wasted because our lessons are learned and I know we're not going to make the mistakes of the past again. But in a moment like this, we

[Graham Platner]

need to make these things matter.

[Lawrence Jones]

I need him to stop talking and doing right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Oh, he's got to answer questions. He had a press conference.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah, but it's like we take responsibility for it. I'm going to be better.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, he threw the ball.

[Lawrence Jones]

He did more than that. He threw the ball away and then the game winning shot should have never been a shot. He should have drove the basket and went for it. Went for it. Take the foul. You know, I mean, you made three throws. It doesn't miss. You're down by one point.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So President's going tonight. Do you think he's. That when they show him, what's going to be the reaction?

[Lawrence Jones]

Oh, they'll probably boo. It's New York. You know, even though he built it will bother him a little bit. But, I mean, what can you expect? You're in New York. That's going to happen. But I think I actually give him credit, taking the guts to go in there, even though, I mean, this is not a crowd full of, you know, everyday New Yorkers. This is a celebrity crowd. You can't afford it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The minimum is like $5,000.

[Lawrence Jones]

So it's just like this is the elites of New York and they're not gonna be too happy with them. It's okay.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I would say this. Do what they do in New York, I don't know if you've noticed. I don't know if they do it on the TV or not, but before they show the person, they'll show them in a movie or they'll show what they do. Or before they show Jeter, they'll show him hitting like a grand slam home run. And then Cheetah will pop up.

[Graham Platner]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So do you show the president at the game as a billionaire?

[Steve Ashburner]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And then, you know, host of the Apprentice, and then just pop him in as president and then show him.

[Lawrence Jones]

I think you have to. Especially when you listen. So they were baiting the players about this. Like, how do you feel about the president? All of them were totally kind about it. They said, he's a New Yorker. This is going to be great. So I think the Knicks ownership is going to be smart and play into it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, you know, Jim Dolan invited him. They're friends.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yes, I think they're going to play into it. I think it's. Look, it's all New York and your fans are. I went to a bar on Friday after I hosted Hannity. Good God. I was the only spurs fan in this bar. And boy, were they rowdy.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right.

[Lawrence Jones]

But you understand the industry. They need a win.

[Dylan Nealis]

53.

[Lawrence Jones]

They need a win. It's been a long time.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And lastly, the president will be there. There'll be an announcement. But I also think that it's vital the Knicks win. And they have not played that well yet. They've had surges. Jalen Brunson did not look good. And he is the bet. He is like their mvp. And Josh Hart has been there, intangible. And he's been fouling out early.

[Lawrence Jones]

You know what worries?

[Bruce Schneier]

What?

[Lawrence Jones]

No matter if they're not playing hard or anything. Oh, they Play hard, hard in the first class. Maybe they're a little lackadaisical. They have heart and it shows. And big time moments. I mean, the last two games we've had leads, 13 points, 14 points, and somehow we find the wheel.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right. So it's going to be great. Lawrence. We'll talk after game four. Thanks so much for coming up.

[Lawrence Jones]

Either it can be an obituary or it could be, well, if they win

[Brian Kilmeade]

tonight, you're going to feel totally different.

[Graham Platner]

Totally different.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. And by the way, for everyone listening in Texas, I don't hate the Spurs. I know about New York. I dislike the Knicks.

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Got a couple of minutes. I went a little long with Lawrence, but I always do and that's my bad. I think it's going to be really exciting here in New York. You know, I always hesitant to talk too much about New York just because I'm located here and so many of our affiliates are outside New York. But I do think it's fascinating the president's going to be, he was the first one to go to a Super bowl in person. And now the UFC fights is relatively stable. Daytona 500 was fantastic. And now, and he was with the, he went to the college football football final, we know that in Miami. And now he's like, yeah, I'm going

[Lawrence Jones]

to go to the game.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And talking to him on Friday, he said, I don't know if I'm going to sit on the court or if I'm going to go into the box, but it's going to be really interesting to see how it goes because I think the whole country is watching. And here's why. You might not be the biggest basketball fan, just like you might not have been the biggest hockey fan. But when big, if you're a sports fan, you like big moments. And that's why you'll watch figure skating only in the Olympics, you know, that's why you'll, you'll watch hockey when it's us Canada in the final, you know, or the 1980 team. And I think when you have a team that's won 12 in a row wasn't supposed to, you know, make it past the conference finals and Instead they have two straight sweeps and then have the number one seed in the west down.002 while they turn home, that's kind of like a bigger story. Here's Mitchell Robinson on the Fun with game three, cut 39. I think there's enough at stake that we'll treat it appropriately. I think there'll obviously be a ton

[Ben Dominate]

of excitement around the game.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It'll be, you know, this arena is like no other. And the added circumstances will be on top of that. And we've been fortunate to play some games in this arena recently that have been again, not finals, but Christmas game. And again, I think just the added

[Ben Dominate]

attention around Victor and being in this

[Brian Kilmeade]

arena a few times we've experienced that, I would expect tomorrow will be more than that and it'll be a fun environment. Drew Robinson's a guy that really didn't go to college when right out of high school was a bit of a reach for the Knicks. And he ends up being really good player when he's healthy. And now as a center, he's been trying to mark this phenomenon, this 7 foot 5 Victor Wembanyama. And he's been doing a phenomenal job with a broken finger. So this is one of the stories. Also, he made a statement that he kind of likes Trump and now people are giving him all this blowback.

[Steve Ashburner]

You're allowed to vote for who you

[Brian Kilmeade]

want to vote for. My goodness, give me a break. Between Jackson daughter Mitchell Robinson getting blowback for just speaking up because they like a guy's policies are unbelievable. When we come back, we talk about what's happening in the Iran Israeli clash and how it relates to us. They exchanged rocket fire last night. Brian killmicio.

Breaking news, unique opinions. Hear it all on the Brian Kilmeade Show. Iran clearly broke the April 8 truce today by firing missiles at Israel. As you know, there was a truce. Hezbollah is a terrorist organization that has been firing missiles and drones at Israel now for months. They've killed Israelis. And so suddenly for Iran after all this time to decide that they were going to attack Israel for Hezbollah's actions makes no sense, especially after all this time. We've worked incredibly hard to preserve the truce and obviously the administration has. Iran has come and gone by the day on what they're willing to do and trying to keep this truce. But tonight they decided to break it.

They did and they rocketed. And thankfully they didn't hit anything. Knocked him out of the sky. We helped. And then Donald Trump wants everyone to calm down. However, he did say go ahead and hit back. And they did. And they blew up a petrochemical plant and two other web, two other radar sites. I just don't know how we avoid going back to war full bore and just do them for 10, 14 days and let them know. And let them know their actions don't stand. Captain Brent Sadler joins us now. Senior research Fellow, Naval Warfare and Advanced Technology and Alliance center for National Security. Brent, right now I feel as though Iran couldn't care less about the ceasefire. Am I wrong? Even though the IRG says it will not fire back at Israel after Israel responded to them.

[Brent Sadler]

Yeah, I think we are coming to a point where action's gonna have to be taken against the IRGC to definitely break them away from the political leadership, which appears to be wanting to make a deal with President Trump as well as the professional military, which has been kind of sat on the sidelines and suppressed by the irgc. It's pretty clear the IRGC is the problem and they're the ones that are pulling the trigger on these missile attacks into Israel. Again, it's the IRGC that runs their proxy Hezbollah in Beirut who's been suffering the defeats.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So when Israel responds to the and wipes out, I guess, six to eight IRGC members. And Brett, where are they located? Oh, they're located in Lebanon. So come on, why are we pretending that you the, that Israel is going against Lebanon? They're not going against Lebanon. They're going against the cancer in Lebanon. Lebanon wants to be relieved of by all accounts. So why are we pretending? And now Iran knows they're in trouble. So they say you have to link Lebanon, you have to link Hezbollah with any type of ceasefire operation. So if you're Trump, what would you advise him? Right now?

[Brent Sadler]

My advice would be now's the time to press the IRGC and to take military action. Focus in, you know, at the leadership and at the centers of power, the irgc, because they're clearly not interested in making a deal. And it's important for the US Side for President Trump to empower those that want to make a deal with the United States. So go after the irgc, take off the gloves. And it's not necessarily host scale attack like we saw the first two weeks, but it's certainly a lot more intensive than what we've seen in the last two months.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The way it goes is they try to Take a shot at us after we blow out an engine room at a merchant ship trying to break through the barricade, through. Through the blockade. And then since they can't hurt us, they'll go and blow up something in Bahrain or Kuwait. How fortified are they now, being that we have not had fighting for eight weeks? Have we done anything that you know of to help them up their defenses?

[Brent Sadler]

Well, the ones to watch are the Russians and the Chinese in that regard. But of course, when you're not being constantly harangued and attacked, as we were doing to the IRGC and their street muscle, the Basij forces, that does give them a time to reassert their authority and to signal to the people of Iran no one's coming to their rescue. And I think that's, I think, why we have to go after the power base that is the irgc. And I think that that oil refinery that you mentioned that the Israelis attacked, that's one of the money sources and I guess tools of control that the IRGC has domestically in Iran.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But.

[Brent Sadler]

But it's still too small and it's too sporadic. It has to be more sustained and it has to be more focused on the IRGC to really have an impact, to get to a deal.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I don't know if you've seen it, but I was looking at some footage over the weekend with these students uprising, at least four separate. I saw a few thousand, four separate riots, and who knows what wasn't caught on camera. Now that the Internet's up, does anything change?

[Brent Sadler]

Yes, I think there's a potential there for a lot to change. One is we need to get more information out from Iran, even more than the little bit that's coming out now. And we need to educate wider Western populations, not just Americans, what actually is going on inside Iran. And that an opportunity, a historic opportunity is perhaps unfolding for not just a change in Iran, but a change throughout the Middle east for the better. But again, that's the long game. The short game is, you know, defanging the IRGC and taking their muscle off the street. And I think that's where the blockade fits in. That's where these strikes that Israel's now done in retaliation, but I don't think it's enough.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What would you do?

[Brent Sadler]

One is, I think, go after the IRGC's ability to threaten shipping in the Straits of Hormuz.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you would open the strait? You would open the strait physically. Do you think we can do it alone?

[Brent Sadler]

I think we already have. And I think every time we Send destroyers through there and ostensibly escort, even with helicopters, army helicopters overhead that the ships have flown. And the threat's been relatively modest. And any attack that the Iranians have tried to make against our forces have never been able to land a hit. Now, we don't want to subject ourselves to luck either. So that's where we have to go on the offense. Around the Straits of Hormuz and take out any of the last vestiges, these small boats, the ports and the shore batteries.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So, Brent, you know what we gotta do. I think the President's ultimately, when he makes that decision, he's gonna have to put up with the protest of the Gulf states. All except the UAE don't seem to want him to leave the ceasefire. And he's gonna have to just silence the critics in his own administration. There are people onto his left and right that say, we don't need this right now. We're worried about the midterms. We got July 4th celebration coming up. We've got the UFC fight on Sunday. We don't need this right now. So he's going to have to make a decision. But the headwinds are not just going to be, not just going to be in the Middle east, they're going to be in his own cabinet.

[Brent Sadler]

That would be unfortunately, too short sighted, because I think if you just look at the oil prices, seasonally they go up in the summer, and seasonally they come down in the fall, just as the elections are coming in November. And it's not about the dollar sign, it's not going to be going up much higher, but it's about the trends. And if the trends are going down, people will tend to think that we're headed in the right direction. That's going to naturally happen. So I think too much is made of the gas prices, and already the energy market globally is adjusting to this reality. And the Prices came down 17 cents just last week. We'll see if that continues into the summer months, and I think we'll be in a good place. Now, whether or not we need this is not really the argument. It's not how do we end this? And I think at this point it's clear the IRGC is the impediment to sealing a deal. So you got to take the gloves off and finish this more quickly than trying to continue on in a ceasefire that the IRGC is using to increasingly to its advantage.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, Brett. Brett Sandler, thanks so much. We'll see what happens. Because the ceasefire, to me is broken, but so cold. It seems Both sides have agreed to stop firing at each other, but it doesn't seem to be. The strait was supposed to be open in April. It's not firing was supposed to stop. It hasn't. So to me that I don't think there is a ceasefire. But we'll see what happens. Captain Brent Tadler, thanks so much.

[Brent Sadler]

Thank you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right. The World cup we know is just now days away. I'll be out in Los Angeles. So will this radio show for Game 1 with the U.S. against Paraguay over at Sofi Stadium. That's going to be great. You know, it's also going to be great. Dylan Nealis, one of the star defenders in the mls, Major League Soccer, now starting with the Red Bulls, plays inside back and outside back. Dylan Nealis will be joining me in studio to preview and review what we're going to be looking at with this World cup in three separate countries. 104 games, 48 teams don't move.

Diving deep into today's top story, it's Brian Kilmeade, The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

Hey, with me right now in studio. If you wipe smart enough to be watching on the stream or on your app. Dylan Nealis is outstanding defender with the New York Red Bulls, drafted by David Beckham in Miami. And now we know too that Dylan played for a while with his brother Sean, both from Massapequa, where I'm from. Dylan Ellis was kind enough to come in and kind of preview the World cup and Mass people soccer club players were here in studio. So I convinced Dylan to come join us on radio. Dylan, great to see you.

[Dylan Nealis]

Thanks for having me.

[Brian Kilmeade]

First time in your life you actually been off this time of year, right?

[Dylan Nealis]

Yeah, true. Yeah, it's been nice, relaxing times.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So they just told the MLS to take a break for how many weeks? Three weeks.

[Dylan Nealis]

Yeah, we had about 18 days and then we'll start back up with training and our next games don't kick off till mid July, July 20th, I believe.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. So you guys take a break and then ultimately you're going to change seasons.

[Dylan Nealis]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Can you explain to everyone how that's going to work and why you guys are doing it?

[Dylan Nealis]

Why the MLS are doing it? Right now? Our season kind of kicks off late February and it kind of runs the whole year. We take a little, a few breaks every now and then with international windows, but our international windows don't really align with the European schedule. So with what MLS is doing now, we want to change to an European calendar. So their season Starts end of June, so we'll start in the summer and kind of just have an alignment with the European just for transfer windows and international breaks, like I said, because there's a lot of times where there's MLS games going on, but no one else in the world is playing soccer besides the international game. So there's just a lot of mixes and matching. So I think it'll be nice to finally be aligned.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So will you have a mini season or you just take off?

[Dylan Nealis]

So 2027, we'll have a 15 game season they decided on. So from February to about June, we'll have a 15 game season with playoffs and a championship. And then June of 2027 is when we'll switch that calendar year.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Oh, wow. That's a quick turnaround.

[Dylan Nealis]

Yeah. Yeah, it'll be an interesting year, I think with players and contracts, but I think it'll be better for the league and just to get eyes on the league as a whole.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So, yes, we watched the US play Germany lose 2:1, but you know, you're playing your whole roster. You want to have a good showing, but you definitely don't want to get hurt before the game. What did you think of the quality that you saw?

[Dylan Nealis]

They did well. I mean, they ended up conceding a goal early on, but they first four minutes. Yeah, but you know, they responded well and I think towards the end of the game you saw some fight which probably wasn't for the better because it got a little chippy towards the end there. But nobody got hurt. But I think you kind of see that tenacity in the group that they're being underdogs this year. So I think they're going to go into the tournament flying.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Mauricio Pochiccino from Argentina, but he seems to really understand America. Yeah, from what I've watched his press conferences, I'm watching that HBO Max series. They chronicled four years of the team coming aboard. What is, what do the guys tell you? What do you hear about them?

[Dylan Nealis]

Yeah, you know, it's always different when a European or South American coach takes over or even in general when a. When an outsider coach takes over a different country. You know, they have the different beliefs and you know, just the way he grew up playing soccer is definitely very different than the way the American kid grew up. But yeah, it seems like he knows, understands the boys well and you know, he knows how to get them motivated. So I've heard nothing but great things about him. I heard the training sessions are amazing. Super intense, super long and it seems like he'll get the boys going in the right way.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Dude. What about the 26 man roster? Any surprises for you? Maybe a few.

[Dylan Nealis]

But listen, I'll take. Leave those decisions to the coaching staff. I think they.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Who's the forward? The Mexican forward. Mexican heritage, but obviously American. Blonde hair, short guy, five. Five. I was watching he scored, scored a

[Dylan Nealis]

ton on the team.

[Brian Kilmeade]

No, he didn't make it. He was the one guy.

[Dylan Nealis]

Oh, what's his name? Diego Luna.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, Diego Luna. I'm watching this guy score and I can't believe. And I didn't really know much about. I've been following that closely and I'm watching him. He's scoring a bunches. But he did not make the cut.

[Dylan Nealis]

Yeah, I mean there's always. I mean, given the fact there's always going to be those guys that are borderline guys that either make it or miss it, you know, it's. You kind of feel for them. But I think the coaches had their players. They had their players picked out and, you know, I think as long as he trusts that roster, I think it'll go. Go far.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So people are going to want to know these names and they will. But one people, one person to keep in mind is Chris Richards, right?

[Dylan Nealis]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So he's an outside back on the team.

[Dylan Nealis]

Center back.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Center back, yeah. And is he. He's not quite healthy yet. Did not play again. What does he bring to the table and what would it be like if he's not available?

[Dylan Nealis]

Yeah, I mean, he plays over in the Premier League, which is one of the best leagues, you know, in the world. So I think he's a younger kid, but I mean, he has that experience. He plays at the highest level, so just that presence back there, I think, you know, he'll bring a lot of stability and confidence to the group. But yeah, he rolled his ankle, I think, or did something to his ankle. So his, his availability is in question, but I think it sounds like he'll be good to go.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So do you think in goal for the US Team with against Paraguay, is there any reason not to think it's Matt Freeze?

[Dylan Nealis]

I think it'll be Matt Freeze. I think he did enough to earn that role. I think it's his job to lose. So what do you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Do you think he's the best goalie?

[Dylan Nealis]

I think so, yeah. I mean, obviously familiar with him. He's across the Hudson river playing for New York City. So familiar face. He's. He's very good. He's a very good goalkeeper. Shot stopper. Go with his Feet, I think just what the US Needs.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, yeah, I guess we're going to see. So looking at the lineup, I know you don't want to necessarily. You can't go into detail about what's, you know, who's the 25th man on Paraguay. But you have Paraguay, you got Australia, and then you have Turkey. First off on Paraguay, the last time they play was 20, 25, I believe in November. Two one win for the U.S. does that mean anything?

[Dylan Nealis]

I don't think so. It's a whole new tournament, a whole lot of new faces. Obviously, there's. There's some history there, but I don't think you can go into that game thinking of history. You know, this tournament's every four years, so there's going to have those old games, but I think it's a. It's a new start.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So look at Australia, the last time they played again, 2:1 for the US this is what I read. Physical team.

[Dylan Nealis]

Yeah, Yeah. I mean, the US Is going to have its challenges, but I think they're favored and, you know, they should be able to take care of business. I think it's just that. But starting these games off on the front foot is important.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And not doing what happened on Saturday.

[Dylan Nealis]

Yeah, correct.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The first four minutes. The last game is against Turkey. They say that Turkey is the best of the three. Do you sense that?

[Dylan Nealis]

I'm not sure. You know, these games, they're going to present their different challenges, whether teams sit back in a low block or actually want to come out and attack the US So you never know how these teams are going to play. Obviously, the US Is going to be on home soil, too, so you'd hope that there'd be a little home crowd advantage, but you never know with the traveling countries. But I'm just hoping they get off to a strong start and maybe that last game isn't too important at that time.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Dylan Nealis, one of the outstanding backs with the. With the New York, New Jersey Red Bull plays a Red Bull arena. Great venue, tough area, but it's hard, hard to get to. Mass transportation is probably the best way. But with these games in particular, do you feel you've watched European games? Because you described for us, and I asked you this on tv, the difference between going to a European game and watching soccer and going to an American, an MLS game and not to put down the leagues.

[Dylan Nealis]

Yeah, no, but it's hugely different. I think it. I don't even know what could compare to something here. But yeah, just the European fans are not crazy, but just so energetic and enthusiastic about their teams. They travel early before the game, they stick around the whole game and they're always just chanting and rooting the whole game.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Here's what it sounded like on Saturday. Germany against the U.S. at Soldier Field. Cut 42. The World cup send off game gets underway here against a European powerhouse in Germany. Plotted in towards the six yard box and Kai Havoc meets it. Germany in front inside two minutes from cloning away. Oh my word. What a strike from Anthony Robinson. The game tied up along the edge

[Steve Ashburner]

of the box from Musiala and they

[Brian Kilmeade]

drown Germany back in front. The next time we see this US men's national team will be in the opening game of a home world. So that was a volley from 22 yards out one time by Robinson. I want people to hear what Dylan sounds like on the field. Cut 43D Shan the south African. Look at this move. Oh my goodness, what a clearance ness again coming to a social media screen near you. So Red Bulls against the fire. What happened?

[Dylan Nealis]

I was in the same stadium as the first clip too. Just a goal line clearance. So right time, right place, so right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you went behind the goalie?

[Dylan Nealis]

Yeah, yeah, I just, I saw our defender got beat and I was like I might as well make, make an effort at this and got ball for blind money.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Dylan should be on that national team too. Dylan, thanks so much for coming in. You're telling your story along with your brother. Been a fantastic story from aspe going to be proud of and your whole family, Connor as well as Jimmy. Thanks so much for listening everyone. Keep it here. Brian. Kill me, Joe. See you later, Dylan.

[Dylan Nealis]

Thanks Brian. This is awesome.

[Brian Kilmeade]

From the Fox News radio studios in midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmeade,

I'm one so glad you're there. It's Brian Kilme from 48 and 6 in Midtown Manhattan. Heard around the country and around the world. So glad you're there this hour going to be joined by Andrew Giuliani, White House World Cup Task Force Executive Director. Man, is he busy. Bruce Schneider will be with us too. He's a security technologist who teaches at the Harvard Business School at Harvard University and author of Rewiring Democracy How AI Will Transform Our Politics, Government and Citizenship. That is a big commitment. And also standing by is Andrew McCarthy, Fox News contributor. And keep in mind, you can always go to our YouTube channel, YouTube.com hebron kilmeicho and get this on your time. But now let's get to the big three.

[Graham Platner]

Number three if we can show that a regular person from the regular world who simply comes out with a message saying that we all have to work together to push back against all of the structures of power that have been exploiting and oppressing us for generations. We get to show this country the way forward, really.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Thanks regular person. Graham Platner, who's anything but. What a joke. The fact that Graham Platner is still in the race is an embarrassment to Democrats in Maine, but a gift to Susan Collins. What's the most amusing what's the most amusing to watch? Are the Dems avoiding or rationalizing him? Number two, that's why it brings doubt to people. Look, Florida and Texas. Nobody questions their election integrity and they

[Andrew McCarthy]

can tell you within hours California could do better.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, you think so? It's still been two weeks since their primary. They're not done counting the votes. Speaking of jokes, California still counting their votes for all primary offices. And guess who has dropped a third, the third in the mayoral race, Spencer Pratt. The whole process is an embarrassment to California and the country. We review and preview tomorrow's next wave of primaries.

Number one, Iran clearly broke the April 8 truce today by firing missiles at Israel. Iran is obviously come and gone by the day on what they're willing to do and trying to keep this truce. But tonight they decided to break it

back to the attack. Israel responds to Iran's rocketing with its hits on their own as President Trump wants to de escalate the situation as oil prices go up slightly, but the market's still resilient. It's up 180 points. We're over 51,000. Crude oil is at $91. I just don't know how long we can avoid going back to war. Nobody wants war, but sometimes not having it is worse than having it. I think that's the case we're at right now in the primary season. A lot of things stand out. It kind of stands out to me that Hasan Piker is the Democratic voice and the podcaster. The Rush Limbaugh, the left right, Hassan Piker hates America, loves Hamas, called for the death of Rick Scott, praises Cuba, visited Cuba, by the way, and now has El Said as his. He is mentoring El Said, who is one of the frontrunners to be the next senator from Michigan. The other story you have is a certain congressman, aspiring Congressman in the 12th district of New Jersey who happens to be mentored by the blind sheikh. Picture Bin Laden without the gift of sight. That's how bad this guy is. Help. Help engineer the attack on the World Trade center and if he had his way, would have blown up all the arteries leading in and out of New York. Guy that prosecuted him joins us now. Andrew McCarthy, Fox News contributor, former U.S. former assistant U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. Andrew, welcome back.

[Andrew McCarthy]

Hey, Brian, how are you?

[Brian Kilmeade]

First off, are you astounded that this guy, Sally, is this guy is one of the looks like he's going to be the next congressman.

[Andrew McCarthy]

I wish I could say I was astounded. I wrote a book, Brian, about 16 years ago about the Muslim Brotherhood's infiltration of the West. And what I pointed out at the time was that there were already very strong alliances between Islamists and left wing movements in the west, including the Democratic Party in the United States. So, you know, this is a trend that was evident almost two decades ago, probably more. And I think it goes back to the Muslim Students Associations, which I think are it's probably the most successful movement of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is the most important Islamist movement in modern history. They started out with about a handful of chapters in the mid-1960s. By today, they have about 600 or more chapters across campuses in across North America, particularly in the United States. So I think that's why, you know, people woke up and were surprised by the activism pro Hamas activism that we saw following the October 7 attacks. But it's really not that surprising if you watch what's been going on for the last four decades.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. His name is Adam Hamoui and he says, well, I served for 20 years in the military and you had Senator Duckworth come out and say he's helped save my life when she was injured. So. But he also volunteered in Gaza at a hospital that had underneath it some of the tunnels that Hamas used to attack Israel.

[Andrew McCarthy]

Yeah. And in Bosnia, you know, we've had a number of people who were not just Islamist. And when I say Islamist, what I talk about is Sharia, supremacist ideology. The not I'm not talking about violent jihadists now. I'm talking about people who are adherent to the ideology which causes terrorism. Because terrorism, Islamic, when it's in the realm of Islamic terrorism, it's always about Sharia, which is Islamic law. It's always about implementing Sharia and spreading Sharia. And that's what the ideology is. We've had plenty of people who were associated with the American armed forces who are actually important people in jihadist circles. But in their ideology, your duty is to contribute to the jihad. And it's not necessarily you contribute whatever you can contribute to jihad. It's not necessarily just violent force. It's humanitarian assistance, medical assistance, financial assistance, arms assistance. And a number of the defendants in my case, back in 1995, our trial, when we convicted the blind sheikh, they tried a defense that told the jury, yes, we were training to do violent activity. We were training to surveil targets. We were training to mix explosives and. And blow stuff up. But we were doing that for Bosnia, not for New York. I mean, that was their defense, that they were. That they were headed to Bosnia, where there was a jihad on from 1994 through 1995.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And we were defending the Muslims.

[Andrew McCarthy]

Yeah, well, it was. It's a complicated. It's a complicated story because it's a couple of wars mixed into one long trajectory that went on from 1992 to 1995. And it had Bosnian Muslims against the Serbs and ultimately Bosnian Muslims against the Croats, who were allied at the beginning of the conflict and then were at war at the end. So it's a little bit complicated, but yet these were the Muslim forces. And you mentioned the blind Sheikh and bin Laden. They actually work pretty closely together. And it's important in understanding who Hamau was to realize that this all happened before Hamau testified on the blind Sheikh's behalf. Death in my trial in 1995. When the blind shake came here in 1990, it was astonishing that the American authorities allowed him to relocate here. But his two claims to fame were he had issued the fatwa, which is the Sharia law edict, permitting the murder of Anwar Sadat, who had the Egyptian president who had made peace with Israel. And the second thing he did was he was an important participant in terms of recruiting people to go fight to the Mujahideen jihad in Afghanistan against the Russians, where he worked with bin Laden, who he had known for a very long time. And the important thing about that is, after that was over, when the Soviets went back to Moscow, after they, you know, basically withdrew in 1989, the jihadists were certain that they had beaten the more challenging superpower from their perspective. And bin Laden decided to take the jihad global against the United States. So by the. When. When Abdelrahman, the blind Sheikh, when he came here in 1990, two, things happened. Number one, he called for violent jihad against America. And secondly, there was a stepping up of jihadist attacks against the United States, culminating in the 93 World Trade center bombing. And the second plot in my case, which we happily were able to thwart, which was simultaneous. They wanted to do simultaneous attacks on New York City landmarks like The Lincoln and Holland tunnel and the FBI's lower Manhattan headquarters. So, you know, he was, the blind Sheik was a pretty notorious person already when he came here, which is when he had his relationship with Hamau, which

[Brian Kilmeade]

astounds me because Hamau is trying to minimize their interaction. I didn't know many Muslims at the time. I was kind of hanging out with him, but I didn't really know what he was up to. Here he is talking about the attacks that are against him and how unjustified they are. First off, I'm gonna go to about his testimony. Here's him explaining himself. Cut 32, 30 years ago. There was very few religious figures in

[Bruce Schneier]

New Jersey at that time.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I, like many other people, met him and I was in a last minute carpool.

[Bruce Schneier]

And because I had nothing to do

[Brian Kilmeade]

with anything, I was called as a

[Bruce Schneier]

witness on events that happened. It wasn't a character witness, it was just what happened during that trip.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And I have condemned multiple times the violent rhetoric and actions.

[Bruce Schneier]

And my patriotism and service to this country is clear. I have sworn an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States. And when I'm asked to testify under

[Brian Kilmeade]

oath, I believe in our system of

[Bruce Schneier]

justice and laws, and I did that,

[Brian Kilmeade]

and I did so truthfully, how do you feel about his explanation, Counselor?

[Andrew McCarthy]

Well, I think it's an incomplete explanation. I take him at his word that he complied with, you know, the rules of court. But I would just point out that I was the prosecutor in the case. It's not like I subpoenaed him and made him come to court as a hostile witness. He was a voluntary witness for the blind sheikh's defense to testify about a trip that he voluntarily went on with the blind sheikh to Detroit, Michigan. I think they left from Jersey and when it was about a 13 hour trip to Detroit to attend basically an Islamic conference on the economy. But I do, I would say that while he said that he couldn't recall a conversation in which the blind sheikh asked our informant why he hadn't turned his guns on Mubarak, who was Sadat's successor as president of Egypt, which was the main reason he was brought in to testify, he did truthfully testify that his recollection was that the blind Sheikh spent his time talking about jihad, that he said that we needed to have war against America, that we needed to have war against Israel, and that at the conference, which was supposed to be at economics conference, he talked about jihad. And Hamali said he talked about jihad all the time.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But can you help me with this. I've heard you say this before. Why would the defense witness want him if his. If his honest answers are killing the Blind Chase case?

[Andrew McCarthy]

Yeah, I don't think they prepared him well, Brian. And I think it was stupid to call him because his main reason for being called was to say that he went on this trip that our informant testified about and he didn't remember any conversation about killing Mubarak. And the reason I think it was dumb to call him on that was we had so much evidence by the end of the case that the sheikh wanted Mubarak killed. That Lyn Stewart, his attorney, when she summed up to the jury her basic argument on that count was that Mubarak had it coming. They had. They had. We had so much evidence that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

He means Sadat.

[Andrew McCarthy]

No, no, Mubarak. What happened?

[Brian Kilmeade]

He.

[Brent Sadler]

He did.

[Andrew McCarthy]

He did greenlight the murder of Sadat. And then he was acquitted in Egypt, not because he didn't do it, but because he did this Islamic law defense that says that if the ruler doesn't comply with Sharia, we have a duty to eliminate the ruler.

[Ben Dominate]

So.

[Andrew McCarthy]

So. And he actually turned that into a book that he called A Word of Truth.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Truth.

[Andrew McCarthy]

And then after Sadat was killed, he spent most of his time calling for jihad against America and jihad against Mubarak.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And he. Thanks so much. Fascinating stuff. I've just got more from this guy because he's not going anywhere. Andy McCarthy, thanks so much.

[Andrew McCarthy]

Thanks, Brian.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's Brian Kilmade, The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

Hey, with me right now is Andrew Giuliani. Almost said Rudy Giuliani. Andrew Giuliani. Who's simple. Who simple job from the White House was make the World cup work. Right. So you're in charge. What is the title that drives you?

[Andrew Giuliani]

So I am the executive director of the White House Task Force for the World Cup. And it's amazing. We end up having eight different agencies that we work with on a daily basis since even it started. We've added Health and Human Services, the fcc, epa. I mean, it's really cut across almost every part of the federal government, including state and local government as well. It's a massive undertaker.

[Brian Kilmeade]

How many venues do we have here

[Andrew Giuliani]

in the United states? We have 11 venues. Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Miami, Houston, Dallas, Kansas City, Louisiana, San Francisco and Seattle, and then five venues between. Between Canada and Mexico.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. So you have 104 games. How many do we host?

[Andrew Giuliani]

78 of the 104 games, including the Final, the semifinals, all the quarterfinals. So the tournament, once we get to July, will all come to America and then start kind of moving more toward the east coast of America.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What's yet to be done as we get set for game one on Thursday?

[Steve Ashburner]

Right?

[Andrew Giuliani]

Yeah. Well, look, I think more than anything else we're looking at kind of the Iranian team, their arrival into Los Angeles, what that looks like. They'll come in a day before their first game on their game will be on June 15th. They'll come in June 14th. One of the real amazing things that the administration, administration has done and really CDC has leaned in so much on this is there's an Ebola outbreak going on in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. They're one of the teams that qualified. We gave very clear guidance to the team who's playing a European schedule. Do not go back to the Democratic Republic of the Congo before they actually come to the United States. Otherwise they would not be let in. We've worked with them to make sure that their players are contact trace. They've not been back in the Congo for over a month. They'll be able to come in some of their fans. Unfortunately, all their fans will not be able.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Andrew, where are you going to spend most of your time?

[Andrew Giuliani]

I'll be in D.C. at FEMA headquarters. That's where we have our command post. But I'll also be traveling around to these cities, going to the emergency operations centers there, just making sure this runs smoothly. I mean, this is the largest sporting event, Brian, as we've talked about in American history. When you think about this, this is like 78 Super Bowls over 39 days. And the thing. And this is amazing, working with law enforcement. This is not just the World cup that's happening. We have Freedom250. We have America250 events. You have the incredible sale for 250 that's going to be coming with the tall ships in New York harbor and across other harbors here in the United States. It's an amazing summer not just to be a soccer fan, but to be in America.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Absolutely. So we don't get the US team to do well. Everybody does. Friday night will be game one. Is it sold out?

[Andrew Giuliani]

I think it's 90% sold out now. So from what I've heard, it's there are some more tickets that are available to but I think for the most part it's almost fully, fully sold out.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Here is you. The big attraction here at MetLife is Brazil. Yeah. What kind of the fanship you said, just showing up just to hear the practice. They can't even get into the practice. They're just hovering around.

[Andrew Giuliani]

Yeah, amazing. You know, probably 30 miles west of where we're sitting right now in Morristown, New Jersey, they've got the. That's where Brazil is actually based. There are thousands of Brazilians, maybe tens of thousands now, just going out there to be around the team. The team is having closed practices, but they want to be in the area to cheer on their team. We're seeing it with Argentina, who. A lot of people are following that. Actually they released Messi's room number somehow that they got Messi's room number in Kansas City. But we see this among soccer fans. There's such an enthusiastic bunch. It's our job to make sure that we can harness that enthusiasm, that people have a fantastic time without going over the line. We want to make sure that people have a safe and secure experience.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Are you going to meet with the President now?

[Andrew Giuliani]

I'm going out to Bedminster, going to see the President. He's excited about our Knicks, as I know you're excited about our Knicks. It's actually one of the things for me as a lifelong New Yorker. I've got to get back to down to D.C. but it's killing me. I can't get to the Knicks game tonight, but I'll be watching.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I know you've used all the frustration during the Ewing years and now they're on the cusp of doing something special.

[Andrew Giuliani]

I actually remember I was in Madison Square Garden, Team 5.

[Brian Kilmeade]

He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Kilmeade.

The rise of artificial intelligence is the next Industrial Revolution. What happened? Okay, I struck a chord. Did. And you weren't the only one. That commencement speaker spoke up, referenced AI and the people started booing, much like they did in various other commencement addresses. And These are the 22 year olds, ideally, who would be embracing technology. I always thought it would be the older guys and women who say, oh, I don't understand this. Leave me alone. Don't you know, don't tell me this. Instead, it seems like older people are more open to what AI brings to the table, even though we're not quite sure. Bruce Snyer joins us now. He's a security technologist who teaches at the Harvard Kennedy School at Harvard University and author of Rewiring Democracy How AI Will Transform Our Politics, Government and Citizenship. Bruce, why do you think that the kids are bowling?

[Bruce Schneier]

I mean, these are college graduates. These are people who are seeing job prospects disappear. By the month, by the week. The future is very uncertain. This technology probably is as impactful as industrial revolution and that will harm a lot of people in the interim until we figure out whatever the new normal is. I mean, I'm teaching here and my students are scared. What major should they do? What classes should they take? How should they look at their future? I mean, it's pretty clear this is going to disrupt so many things.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What do you tell them?

[Bruce Schneier]

You know, I tell them that we have to be flexible. That in fact we don't know. You know, I mean, think about programming. Last year, AI was not good at programming then it was good at it, but you had to check its work. Then it became so good, nobody checks it. And now just last month, it's too expensive to do with AI and we need programmers. That's basically 12 months of whiplash for anybody with a computer science degree. And in this world the only solution is to be flexible. It's a terrible answer, but it's the best we have, right?

[Brian Kilmeade]

And we're not quite sure where we're heading or what everything that it can do. And when did it become officially smarter than us? I heard this in the last few months. Smarter than what we are, who we are.

[Bruce Schneier]

You know, I mean, I've heard this called the Jagged Edge. There's a great video of someone talking to, I think the OpenAI model and its voice, and it's showing him an upside down cup and asking how could you drink from it? And the AI can't figure out that the cup is upside down. It's smarter than us, that it can beat us at chess and go and win a Nobel Prize in protein folding. But it's also incredibly stupid. And that edge, where it's better or worse is not normal. It's hard to make sense of. So just know this is changing really fast. But I would not say it's smarter than us in general.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So here's Josh Kraush hour weighed in. He's a political analyst and talk about what role that's going to play in the political landscape. Whether it's data centers in your backyard, upping of utility costs or making jobs not available or changing they cut 45.

[Ben Dominate]

They have a reason to be upset and anxious because is taking away jobs from especially these entry level jobs that they would normally expect to kind of move into after graduating. And so there's a lot of uncertainty, there's a lot of anxiety with, with the graduating class. I also think you're seeing a turn to extremisms on the left and on the right among Gen Z. And I don't think it's detached from the fact that AI is very disruptive. It's creating a sense of fear and anxiety and there's a level of uncertainty on what the future holds. The jobs, you know, everyone said go into coding, that that's like being an engineer, that that was a guaranteed way to make a good living. Well, AI is taking away many of those jobs.

[Andrew McCarthy]

So it's a lot of, a lot

[Ben Dominate]

of volatility for the graduating class.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Are they taking it away, Bruce, or do they change in the relationship? For example, I was listening to the Marc Andreessen I think it was, and he, he was coming out and saying that the programmers are now working with AI, being more productive than ever before. And they've been coding with AI and then being able to interact where it's almost addicting how much more they can do that. It's opening up a new world to them, not eliminating from that world. Have you seen that?

[Bruce Schneier]

You know, this really is the difference between the technology and the for profit companies controlling them. So imagine a program with an AI, let's say a doctor with an AI. Doctor with an AI is a better doctor.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Sure.

[Bruce Schneier]

Does that mean they can spend more time with patients and have more rapport and become better doctors? Or is their employer going to give them five times the patients and then fire four out of five doctors? So it really depends on the environment. Do we do a job better or are some of us fired? Or all rest of us are working harder? And that is very much the economic system, not the tech. The tech can do either. The humans decide which one.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Bruce, do you worry about us just depending on it too much and not thinking and figuring out for ourselves?

[Bruce Schneier]

I mean, I worry about that a lot, especially my students. I mean they are using AI to complete their homework and. Right. And I tell them the reason I give you essays to write. It's not because the world needs more essays, because the act of writing the essays makes you smarter. And having an AI do your homework is having a robot lift weights for you at the gym. It's kind of dumb, but it's hard for a student to internalize that they take the shortcut. I do worry about that also. I tend to think in general, us old people complain about kids too much and the kids are generally all right, whether it's rock and roll or the Internet or Wikipedia or whatever it is, they figure it out. So maybe we are just too worried. But I'm old right now.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I worry But Bruce, we also saw grades go down since 2014, 2013 across the board, across the country. You can blame cities, suburbs, it doesn't matter. It's pretty consistent and many people turn it back to Chromebooks even before AI and they said when people are typing or they're not reading the way they used to, it's not sticking to the brain like it used to. Use a non scientific term.

[Bruce Schneier]

Yeah. And I've read that people also blame it on social media. That is incredibly distracting. Covid certainly didn't help. We have data on that. So I think it's tech in general and everything around tech, it's really hard to isolate. But yes, I do worry about this. I think we have to pay attention and other countries are, I mean China is by banning social media for kids that countries that take this seriously are doing things that of course corporations don't like. So we don't do them here.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you said it's rewiring democracy. How is it rewiring democracy? How is it going to affect politics? I know actually people are now pushing back on data centers being built even though it's going to bring ton of jobs. They're worried about the water and worried about utilities. President signed an executive order saying you're going to have to build a power plant with every data center. But it's still not pleasing the people of Arizona is getting people in Maine said we're going to just ban it is is that that's one tangible thing people are going to be running on.

[Bruce Schneier]

And this is super interesting because this is an issue that is not yet Democrat or Republican. Yeah, I mean like the most Republican right and the most lefty left are together protecting data centers in their community. This is a local issue, not a political issue. And it's unclear if any party will champion what the people want here. Everybody is in the pockets of big tech. So I think it's worth watching this issue and it's really interesting that it's apolitical. When I think of AI and politics, I don't think about deep fakes or any of the fake stuff. Think about candidates using it. There's a Spencer run for office.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Bruce, look at Spencer Pratt. Is anyone used it better than him?

[Bruce Schneier]

It's a good, it's a good example. But I mean think, don't think national. Think local elections, city council, school board, where there's no money, no time, no expertise. There are a lot of AI systems to help regular people run for office. To me that's going to be the biggest change to allow People who didn't have the time or money to enter politics to do so at the local level. I'm super excited about that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, that's interesting. So I want you to hear Bernie Sanders idea. He sees the stock market and he sees it being driven by these AI companies or the chips that drive the AI companies. Here's what he said. Cut 47. What was his reaction to this idea of giving the public some of the stock? Well, I think he's. Again, I don't want to speak for him. He was opposed to the idea of, of the public having half the representation on the board. So opposed that he wanted the public to own part of these AI companies because they're using our knowledge to fuel the AI genius. So I don't know how that would work business wise. But do you understand the sentiment?

[Bruce Schneier]

I do. I think it's a bad idea. I think it's a huge conflict of interest, right, for the government to own stock in the companies they regulate. This has gone bad. Whole bunch of times we can point to. So I don't think that'll work. I mean I like Elizabeth Warren's idea better. An excise tax on energy or a tax on tokens. I mean, I agree we need to somehow share in the wealth of the data we generated. Right, including this show which is going to be used to train AI. But the way to do that, I think it's going to be an excise tax on the companies and not this conflict of interest. Now, now own some of those companies. It's not what government does.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Bruce. I know we're all projecting because we don't know exactly. But if you look at AI, you know, we have all these health care problems. We debated health care forever. Medicare for all, make it free, pay doctors more. We don't have enough doc. Whatever it is. If I'm looking at AI, it's hard to find people who don't think that the medical profession will not benefit from this. You touched this a little bit earlier. Could this be one thing to, you know, balance the costs and access? Could AI give those people in working class communities the same medical care of the so called rich and famous?

[Bruce Schneier]

Yeah, it's not the AI, it's the, it's the medical system. Right. We us has this horrible, expensive, ponderous medical system where people are making all sorts of money on the backs of us. So yes, you can imagine a world or a country where that happens where AI gives benefits to people. You can imagine a country where all events of AI are captured by, you know, whatever Private equity firm owns the hospital down the street. It's not the tech, it's the economic system the tech is in. Think a lot about AI being used to augment doctors or in places in the planet where there are no doctors, where the choice isn't AI or doctor, but it's AI or somebody who got a weeks of training in health somewhere. But really this depends on the economic system. It's not going to cure the US system. The US system isn't a problem of tech, it's a problem of incentives.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So we keep hearing this and from the tech companies and from the president and presidents, we got to be China. We got to be China. So do you believe, Bruce Schneier, that we have to be China?

[Bruce Schneier]

I don't, I don't think this is, this is not the 1960s. Tech doesn't work that way. Everything's international. There isn't an arms race. This is something that I think the US tech companies like to talk about because it gives them an edge in policy. I see this as very international. When there are advances in China, we learn about them and we copy them. When their advances here, everyone else learns about them and copies them. This is all happening in the open, in public and it's continue to do so. Right now China is investing in smaller, better models because they don't have these massive piles of money to set fire to that the U.S. companies do. So there's a difference in philosophy. Actually, I think the Chinese philosophy makes more sense. But we're going to all benefit from it. It's those AI companies that'll hurt, but we will all benefit because it's all done in public.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And Bruce, what you're saying is I think, and you tell me if I'm wrong, that China's philosophy is we make an advancement, give it to the people and try it out. Whether it's the mechanic down the block or the shopkeeper, we made this advancement, throw it out there, let people use it and tell me how it's working. As opposed to keep the model, work the model, get the model better and then put it out.

[Bruce Schneier]

You know, I don't know if that happens in general, but in AI that does seem to be the case.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right.

[Bruce Schneier]

The deep seq model, the big Chinese model that is a public model is open model. The research they did because they were denied access to the good chips from the US they had to engineer smarter. We know the results of that research. The smaller models are often public models. We're seeing those. So I mean, I think there is some Competition. But largely this is not an arms race.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Understood. Lastly, when you talk about the security of the situation, people talk about Mythos. Tell me about Mythos and why it freaked out this administration.

[Bruce Schneier]

I mean, that was a massive PR move and anthropic. It is not Mythos. It is all the models. I know Mythos got the press. We're all talking about it. But GPT public models are all just as good or almost as good. What they're very good at is finding vulnerabilities in source code. Now, that has benefits to the attacker and defender. So the browser Firefox fixed I think, 147 vulnerabilities. Last month there was a cryptocurrency that fixed a vulnerability that the AI found. So things get better as they get more vulnerable. So the worry really is that it is more volatile. Things are happening faster. Long run, I think the defense benefits. But in the short run, there are a lot of vulnerabilities.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, Bruce, you're very valuable guest because everything's changing so rapidly. You have a book out now called Rewiring Democracy. How AI Will Transform Our Politics, Government, Citizenship. Bruce Schneier, thanks so much.

[Steve Ashburner]

Thank you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You got it. Back in a moment.

Keeping you informed, engaged, and always a step ahead. It's the Brian Kill Me Show. Information you want, truth you demand.

[Lawrence Jones]

50.

[Brian Kilmeade]

This is the Brian Kilmeade Show. The environment, atmosphere is going to be

electric, obviously, and we're happy that we're at home and you know, we have them at our back.

[Dylan Nealis]

I kind of wish the, the ticket

[Brian Kilmeade]

prices weren't as crazy as they are. I feel like a lot of people

[Dylan Nealis]

who are, I've been waiting for this

[Brian Kilmeade]

moment for a very long time, you

[Dylan Nealis]

know, unfortunately aren't able to get into the building with what, you know, the

[Brian Kilmeade]

cheapest ticket, seven, eight.

[Dylan Nealis]

So it's just.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That's ridiculous. I would go into the game. That is Josh Hard of the Knicks. And this is why I think the Knicks are going to be successful tonight. And I know people in Texas getting upset, but I do, I listen. I grew up watching the Knicks. I mean, I remember them in the 70s. I actually watched the ABA too, when the nets were the bet. One of the best teams in that league. And the spurs were in that league, by the way. So Josh Hart hasn't played well. He's been almost non existent. He's not that intangible player that is Mr. Everything. And the other person who hasn't played well, it didn't play well. Down the street, Stretch is Jalen Brunson. Now, I know he's been double and triple teams and they have all these offensive design against him. It hasn't really affected his play, but can you imagine? This guy is effective And Josh Hart goes back to being Josh Hart. And they still won the first two games on the road. I know it's not over, but I think it's definitely significant what's going on. And now they're being asked about the president, United States. Why, you know, why is the president coming? What do you think? They're not ripping the president. Here's Mike Brown, the coach who's done a stellar job after the win. Cut 38. What a ball game.

[Steve Ashburner]

This is a fantastic ball game. They made a run, we made a run. They made a run, we made a run. So there was a lot of back and forth throughout the course of the game. Obviously, they made their. Their run towards the end. We could have folded a few times, but our guys just kept fighting. And the one thing I told them, that you work on connectivity throughout the course of the year for moments like these, no matter what run they went on, our guys just kept uplifting one another. Not just the guys on the floor, but the guys on the bench throughout the course of San Antonio's runs. So that connectivity that we started with had during the season and continue to have now paid huge dividends for our group.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So that is Mike Brown. He's. He's personable. He learned, went under the best coaches, been fired multiple times. Lacey lately, he's just fired from Sacramento. LeBron James. Society was sick of him, just fires him. Got him fired a couple of times, at least once. And then he was assistant in Golden State. He was assistant with San Antonio, with Popovich. This guy's been around, and when he comes onto this team, he's not looking to establish authority. I'm in charge, he said, I want to make this a collaborative effort. It just worked. A veteran team that wants to win. They got to the championship game and now down 2:1 to Atlanta when people saying, oh, my God, is he going to get his team eliminated in the first round? They've won 12 in a row, including two sweeps, and take two games on the road. So it's pretty incredible what's going on. We'll stay on top of it and also see how the President arrives and all the celebrations that are likely to happen if the New York wins or San Antonio wins. Keep it here, Brian. Kill me. Chair.

From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City. Always seeking solutions, never sewing division. It's Brian Kilmeade.

I want so good. So glad you're there. It's Brian Kilmeade show coming here from Midtown Manhattan, which, well, now the president's going to be going to the game tonight in Penn Station where there was a shooting on Sunday. Shooting. Can you believe, believe this? Some crazy guy, as usual, mentally ill, decides to start, excuse I shouldn't say shooting, stabbing, stab, six people, one really serious, the rest are okay. And then again, the Amtrak police, of all people end up corralling this guy, strapping him to a chair and bring him to, and bring him to, I hope, prison. So we'll see where this guy goes because they tend to in New York City, like most cities, let everybody back on the street. Also, the president is going to be there tonight. What's going to be different, they're going to break up the whole viewing party that takes place out outside Madison Square Garden. They pushed it to Bryant park about 10 blocks away and went to Central park, but they won't be able to be outside the stadium. Some people are upset by that. But security matters. This hour I'm gonna be talking about to Steve Ashburner. He's a senior [e-mail] we'll talk about that. And Ben Dominate, just standing by. So let's get to the big three.

[Graham Platner]

Number three, if we can show that a regular person from the regular world who simply comes out with a message saying that we all have to work together to push back against all of the structures of power that have been exploiting and oppressing us for generations, we get to show this country the way forward.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Really. Thanks. Graham Platner, anything but regular. What a joke. The fact that Graham Platner is still in the race is an embarrassment to Democrats in Maine, but a gift to Susan Collins. I'll explain. Number two, that's why it brings doubt to people. Look, Florida and Texas, nobody questions their election integrity and they can tell you

[Andrew McCarthy]

within hours California could do better.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, I think so. Speaker McCarthy weighing in. Speaking of jokes, California will be counting their votes for all primary offices. And guess who now dropped to third in the mayoral race as they continue to count balance? Spencer Pratt. This whole process is an embarrassment to California and the country. We review and preview tomorrow's next wave.

Number one, Iran clearly broke the April 8 truce today by firing missiles at Israel. Iran is obviously come and gone by the day on what they're willing to do and trying to keep this truce, but tonight they decided to break it.

Well, we'll see. Back to the attack. Israel responds to Iran's rocketing with hits on their own. President Trump wants to de escalate, but I don't think it's possible. Oil prices are holding steady and the market's up 222 points, right over 51,000. I think we're getting used to this. But I want the president to just take two weeks and just end this thing once and for all. There'll be some damage to us. I understand that, but this is why we're There are one number one enemy in the region and they are an ally to our other two enemies, Russia and China. Why would we let in North Korea? I should say three. Why we let this exist. Ben Dominic's joined just now. FOX News contributor, host of the Big Ben show with Ben Dominic. Ben, welcome back. Your thoughts about what we should do next

[Ben Dominate]

when it comes to Iran? You know, Brian, I think that you are correct. The simple fact is that we can't have some kind of meandering path toward wrapping up this conflict. I think the president has been trying to find his way to a deal because he thought that that was something that was worth doing. He wanted to, you know, have this be something that was confined and compressed. He didn't want to have a lengthy conflict. He understands the American aversion to that. But he's also understood the Iranian nuclear threat. For so long, it's been one of the most consistent aspects of his political beliefs that this was something that needed to be dealt with. He's dealing with it. But I think that you are correct in the sense that we need to go after them hard for the next two weeks. We can't trust them. We can't trust any of these deals. These cease fires are not real ceasefires. You know, his comment that it's just, you know, shooting moderately in that region is correct. And I think that we just have to understand, you know, the only way this is going to end is by, you know, actually ramping things up, forcing the Iranians to accept a deal that they're not going to like. And I think that that's something that can be achieved, but only if the president is willing to pull the trigger. And I think he should, because I think despite Republican hesitancy on Capitol Hill, if it is worse to not actually have a victory at the end of this conflict than it is to do what it takes to get to that victory.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Absolutely, it's doable, especially if you see what Iran was, excuse me, Israel was just able to pull off. Iran fired at least 10 missiles and four waves of attacks on Sunday hit nothing. Beirut hours earlier targeted the Tehran backed militant group Hezbollah. They hit a lot. They also killed one of the leading Hamas terrorists that did October 7th. They had him there. Israel said its air force attacked military targets in central and western Iran in response. And there are some reports, unconfirmed as of yet yet, that they killed one of the irgc, if not the head of the irgc. And I really hope that is a true statement. And keep in mind no one really talks about that here, but we had over 13,000 strikes. We've killed about between 60 and 80 of their leaders. We don't talk about that. We just pose, oh, I guess we're losing, I guess we're losing 8,000 Israeli strikes. On top of that.

[Ben Dominate]

Everything is, is in the context of a domestic political environment that doesn't actually want, by the way, that the media is doing such a terrible job, the legacy media is doing such a terrible job of covering what's actually gone on there. I think most people don't understand the degree to which they have been impacted by this. You know, their ballistic missile program, which is one that could threaten every capital, every major capital in Europe, you know, has been completely set back. We've killed their best scientists, we've killed their leadership, we've killed that. We and the Israelis have had an enormous impact in terms of this regime's ability to project power.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Power.

[Ben Dominate]

And yet the way that this is framed domestically is as if the President hasn't been able to achieve, you know, anything close to that. It's completely wrong headed. And I think that it's intentional. I think that they wanted this to become a quagmire for him, that they wanted it become an echo of the George W. Bush era decisions, whatever you think of those, and of course it's not. But it's also something where I think we can at least say, you know, the President has, and the American military has proven how much it can achieve. We just need to take it all the way to the end. And I think, Brian, that we can. It's just, just that there's a lot of hesitancy I think among Republicans on Capitol Hill worried about their jobs in November. They just want to see those gas prices come down.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I'll tell you what, I had Senator Roger Wicker on. He's all in. He wants president finished the job, obviously Tom Cotton, Lindsey Graham, they want president. I don't really know outside Rand Paul who just wants his own country. I have no idea what to do with him. But almost every Republican wants it you know, they know the political risk, but they want it. You know, outside of Murkowski and Collins, who are, and you know, Collins is in a different situation, I get it, so. But they understand the danger that Iran has posed because they sit there in those intelligence briefings, Ben, that you've, you hear all about. And to pretend that Iran isn't the problem, this is a war of choice, is laughable. As soon as you say a statement like that, I go, okay, I really don't care what comes out next.

[Ben Dominate]

No, I think you're completely right. And I think that unfortunately the issue is that behind the scenes, a lot of these folks, you know, who aren't coming out and endorsing what the President is doing emphatically, they are raising misgivings and they're concerned about their own jobs. And, you know, there's a lot of people in the House that quite frankly haven't actually passed any bills or done any legislation or done anything approaching their jobs over the last couple of years who are super worried about whether they're going to get back, sent back to Washington or not. I think the President actually has the right approach to this, which is, I don't really care about this. I care more about making sure that, that beyond my lifetime, that Iran has nothing approaching the ability to have a nuclear weapon that they can use to threaten not just Europe, not just our allies, but us. And that's something that I think the President should be commended for. And look, I think he should do whatever it takes to finish the job.

[Lawrence Jones]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And I know your father, Senator John McCain, your late father in law would be saying the same thing.

[Ben Dominate]

He would be right there in there saying, yes, finish, right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And so I just hope the President understands that. But he's two weeks, you know, a few weeks from 4th of July with 250th birthday, UFC fight on Sunday, myriad of events going on. And then you had these primaries. So there is a. But we waited eight weeks. We've had an eight week ceasefire. But I think he needs two more weeks. If you talk to the military people to actually finish the job and then they come to the table, because they have to come to the table instead of making it their choice to come to the table.

[Ben Dominate]

Yes, I think that you're exactly correct, which is that we can't take the eye off the ball here. It's one of these situations where the President needs, I think the President does understand this. I think the rest of his party needs some help with this. But the President does understand it is worse to have a half victory than that and proceed in that direction under the auspices of the idea that this is going to be, you know, a truly, you know, emphatic elimination of their nuclear program rather than actually take those steps, even if those steps politically are risky. They're hard. They always are and they always will be. But you have to. When you have this opportunity, when you have this type of dramatic disaster that you've inflicted on this regime, you have to lean into it and you have to close the deal.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So how do you make grant? What do you make a grand platinum? Why is he hanging in there and still on the ballot? And do you think it's just temporary and he'll win this, he'll win tomorrow, and then they just replace him with Jared golden or something?

[Ben Dominate]

You know, Brian, I think that there are two interesting things about this to me. One is, I think if Graham Platner wins, I don't think that he's going to step down. I don't think that they're going to be able to force him out. I think that they're too scared of their left flank, which is emphatically in favor of Graham Platt, who views him as some kind of, you know, populist hero, as opposed to the person that you and I see who, you know, got, you know, rolled out of Hotchkiss. You know, it's like. It's just. This is. This is a. This is ridiculous. An oyster farmer who just provides oysters for his mom's restaurant? I mean, it's just. It's absurd. I think that if he gets in there, I don't think that they're going to dislodge him. And I. And I think that the Democrats, Democrats, they have bent over backwards so much to appeal to their populist left flank. I mean, we see that in the New Jersey race. We see that. You know, in Michigan, we see that with this race. They are so scared of these people, and I don't know why they are willing to accept the idea that they just have to cede their entire party to these insane folks, you know, who are willing to accept anybody, any. Really anybody with any kind of. I mean, even with a Nazi tattoo on your chest, you know.

[Andrew McCarthy]

Right.

[Ben Dominate]

They will take you up as somebody to champion because they have such a fervent and radical and socialist belief about the way that our country needs to go.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, put it this way. I. I guess you're a little cynical, but I totally believe the story where he got drunk and got a tattoo and left it there for 20 years. It makes total sense. And then he didn't even know what it meant. And then he said, ben, you're so skeptical, because. But then the thing that really sold it for me was the wedding story. He says, well, my brother married a Jewish woman. I never would have taken my shirt off with a. Knowing that I had a Nazi tattoo at his wedding if I thought it was a Nazi tattoo, because she's Jewish. So, Ben, case closed. He had no idea.

[Ben Dominate]

You know, my wife asked me the other day, how long would you date somebody if they. If you found out they had a Nazi tattoo? And I said, is this a question?

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's a small talk. At your house?

[Ben Dominate]

Yeah. No, that's.

[Steve Ashburner]

That's.

[Ben Dominate]

No, I was just like, no, of course not. But the thing that. Actually, the thing that I just am amazed by is, like, how can Chuck Schumer put up with this stuff? Brian, you know, come on.

[Steve Ashburner]

You know, there.

[Lawrence Jones]

There.

[Brian Kilmeade]

There aren't for nothing.

[Ben Dominate]

I still thought that there were some Democrats that had, like, an ounce of consideration about the time that we're living in about the rise of anti Semitism, about the rise of anti Semitic attacks on campus and across the country. They now own this. And I don't understand. Why would you ever want to own this? Have some kind of principle that says to you, no, this guy is not acceptable? And especially against Susan Collins, someone who, you know, has. Has very, you know, is very much the absolute middle of the country in terms of her positioning. She is in no way a radical. She's a total moderate. She works with Democrats all the time. And you want to get rid of her so much, you're willing to swallow this?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yes.

[Ben Dominate]

Crazy.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I know. And by the way, Susan Collins, who voted to impeach Trump, but she's a maga. Yeah, MAGA person. All right. Scott Pelley lost his job. I don't know how he's going to make ends meet. Evidently, it was really without cause, except for he screamed at his boss in front of everyone and refused to show up for meetings. Here he is talking about getting fired. Cut 48. To understand your position in this, you

[Steve Ashburner]

would have been open to a path forward.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You. You wanted to remain at 60 minutes. Absolutely. A path forward, to me, was a obvious conclusion for what this meeting was going to be about. That's exactly what I thought, and I expected them to say, look, this is why we had to fire everybody. I mean, your questions, Scott, are valid, and here's why we did what we did. So stay at 60 minutes. Absolutely. It didn't occur to me that this could happen. But, Scott, in a meeting, you accused Bari Weiss, the head of the network, of wanting to murder the show, of coming into 60 Minutes with the agenda to dismantle the institution. And you did not think that that was going to have repercussions that could lead to your firing. We used to be able to have conversations like that at CBS News. But the difference today is that the people running CBS News will not be questioned. Okay, Ben, your witness.

[Ben Dominate]

Brian, I don't know how many times you've walked into the company meeting with your boss and said that they want. That they are murdering all the show or murdering the company and thought that you were going to survive. But apparently that's something Scott Pelly thought

[Steve Ashburner]

that he could do.

[Ben Dominate]

And it's just, it's absurd. I mean, look, I worked at CBS before I thankfully came over to Fox News. I had experiences with Scott Pelley. I do not have a lot of respect for Scott Pelley.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What's he like?

[Ben Dominate]

A lot of people, he's exactly the same way behind the scenes that he is in front of the camera, which is that he is pompous. He is always chewing on his camera arm. He is. It's just, it's absurd, absurd that this guy thinks that he could walk into a meeting like that and have some kind of perspective from the folks at CBS that would say you are, you know, you are a holy being. You cannot possibly be fired. Fired when you are, are going after your boss when you're, you know, angry at everything that's being done. Look, I don't know if what Barry Weiss is going to do at CBS is going to work, okay? She's, she's doesn't have a long history in terms of television journalism. It's a hard thing to do. As, you know, you're great at it because you've been doing it as long as you have, and you know how hard it is. And a lot of people think it's easier than it is. But when it comes to Scott Pelley, this is not someone who was sacrosanct. This is not someone who had that kind of protection that he apparently believed that he did.

[Brent Sadler]

Did.

[Ben Dominate]

And to say those kinds of things to your boss, you're gonna get fired. Like, I mean, that's just, you know, I've, I've, I, I've fired people before, and it's been for things that were less than what's got.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, you've been a boss for a while, right, Ben? You've had people, you've had Journalists with a huge chip on their shoulders. You gotta deal with it.

[Ben Dominate]

Yes.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And then you don't, or you just say you can't.

[Steve Ashburner]

They're journalists.

[Ben Dominate]

They're journalists. Of course they're going to have personalities and emotions and, you know, they're, they're very, sometimes they're very fragile little flowers, as we all know know when we watch cnn. But the simple fact is that, that Scott Pelley could not have walked into that room and actually have believed he's still lying. All those things.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, it's understated how much he lied in that podcast.

[Ben Dominate]

It's, it's astounding. And look, here's the thing. We need to move away from the pompous Democrats anchor. We're just done with this. Nobody wants it. It's not something, I mean, come on, you know, if you want to, want, if you want to watch something like that, tune in to Jimmy Kimmel or to John Oliver or something, it's, it's absurd. These guys are not actual journalists either. And the idea that, I mean, he compared what happened to 60 Minutes to, like having a spouse murdered. Yeah, come on, you know, get off your high horse. You know, I mean, you know, by the way, who was an actual amazing journalist? Andy Rooney. He parachuted in, he was Stars and Stripes and he covered, you know, the, them taking a bridge in Germany in the middle of the, in the World War.

[Steve Ashburner]

War.

[Ben Dominate]

And like, that's, that's, that's a guy who actually did see combat. And, you know, for Scott Pelly to say the things that he did, it's absurd.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The Big Ben show is where you get more. Ben Dominich. Ben, thanks so much. Great job.

[Ben Dominate]

Great to be with you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Back in a moment.

Politics, current events and news that affects you. Brian's got a lot more to say. Stay with Brian Kilmeade. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Kilmeade.

Yeah, I just went a little long with Ben, but, man, we have so much to talk about. I mean, when you see what happened with 60 Minutes, when you see what's going on with this main. This, this clown, calls himself a regular guy. The. Up until 2025 was on a kick website which is known for basically hooking up with teens. I'm not saying he did or didn't. I have no idea. But why would you be on that? And to say his PTSD is an insult to people with ptsd. Just like this idiot thinks we're going to believe that he got a tattoo drunk and left it there. And it Was from a Nazi prison guard symbol. He is other in the story says there's others like that.

A talk show that's real.

This.

This is the Brian Kilmeade show.

Shut off by Anunoby Wemby inside. Layup is good. And the foul. Spurs regain the lead. Their first lead of the second half. Brunson on the drive, stops falling away. It's up. It's good. Brunson dribbles, pulls up. Jump shot. Back of the rim won't go. Wemby the rebound stolen by Brunson and knocked down by Wemby. Brunson will shoot free throws with 9.5 remaining. 4 seconds. Fox to Wembanyama. Pulls up. Cover 1. Go. Rebound taken by Vassell. It's over. It's over. The Knicks survive. This magic carpet ride continues. 13 straight victories and they lead two. Nothing here in these NBA Finals isn't that amazing. Steve Ashburner joins us now, senior writer of NBA.com and he's all over this. And Steve, people in New York, he said, it's where I'm located. It's where I grew up. Up. I'm first to admit that maybe I have that nick bias because you're seeing everything from the New York perspective. But around the country, are they amazed at this run as we are? Yeah.

[Steve Ashburner]

Hi, Brian. Thanks for having me on.

[Andrew Giuliani]

You know.

[Steve Ashburner]

You know, I think so. I think that the key to what the Knicks are doing is, you know, getting hot at the right time. They are not and have not been this season a great team, but they're. They're looking like a great team now and they're playing like that and, and they are, I guess, you know, stirring the memories of famous Knicks of the past just by the togetherness of this group. And yeah, there are a couple stars on their squad, but there's really no statistical leader and a guy who's up for MVP of the league, a shoo in for that type of thing. This truly is the whole being greater than the sum of the parts.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But yet that that got you a three seed in the regular season, the same team. And then they start and they were down 2:1 to Atlanta and people are going, okay, Mike Brown doesn't get past this. He gets fired. And then they just don't lose again. They go through that series and the next series and the next series and then they go to San Antonio and win two of those games. And you write about Carl Anthony Towns. Tell us about how the 71 guy is doing against the 75 center.

[Steve Ashburner]

Yeah, well, you know, I tend to think once you get up to the, that rarefied error up there above seven feet, how much difference is there? I mean, I know it looks pretty clearly different, but you know, Carl's got size, he's got more breadth than Wemby, he's a strong guy and he's able to put pressure on Wembanyama. Wembanyama hasn't always guarded him, nor Carl the other way, but it's been enough that you've been able to see the effects that Carl has. Whether it's taking Wembanyama outside and we haven't seen a lot of Townsend three point game yet, or just getting him on his hip and driving to the, to the basket and slamming. I mean, that's something that women Yama has to contend with. And you know, he made Chet Holmgren really struggle in the west finals, you know, to the point that people are speculating about Holmgren's future with that team. I mean, that's unfair, but sometimes that's, you know, recency bias in our minds. And you know, Carlos stepped up to that, that challenge. I've known him since he arrived in Minnesot as a rookie and you know, I think this is a tremendous opportunity for him. He's viewed differently now, even just in the last week than he has been by a lot of fans throughout much of his career. Because of the maturity he's showing, he seems to be able to pick his spots better now in terms of when he tries to be the offensive force and when he facilitates his teammates games. And it's been a perfect fit. He's the MVP through two games, no question.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And the thing is, you say he's perceived differently now, but is he different? I mean, is he, I mean, the confidence he has, driving at the basket, you know, not shooting outside, taking on the best player and the most exciting player in the league. That was his intent from day one and the way he plays defense and he's kind of avoided the silly foul.

[Steve Ashburner]

Yeah, you're right. I mean, foul trouble has been a problem for him in the past. Complaining to referees when the play starts, heading down the other end of the floor. That's been an issue with, with Carl in the past. That to me is all maturity. And you know, maybe it's, it's a function of, you know, getting to be 30 years old, fully processing a lot of the grief he's gone through with his mother dying during the COVID crisis and other family members as well. The trade, even when he was with New York, you Know, at the start of the year, coming off a summer, hearing Giannis, Anton Kounmpo speculation. And maybe Carl would be in, you know, in play again if, if the Knicks wanted to get Giannis. I mean, some. So you got to be able to be pretty strong mentally to shut out a lot, a lot of the distractions around you. And I think right now he's in a great zone. He keeps preaching 00, as do some of his other teammates. And if they look at 00 right until the point where they've got four victories, if that works for them, you know, bully.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And what you're saying is pretend like we have not. We're not up two games to none coming home. And you have two games at home Monday and Wednesday. So what do you think's going to happen tonight? We're talking to Steve Ashburner and he's senior writer for the NBA.com Steve, what do you think happens? Happens?

[Steve Ashburner]

I would really be surprised if it's a sweep. I mean, I get how the Knicks are playing and this winning streak that they have, you can't take that lightly. That's not easy to do even if you're coming out of the east against, you know, a lesser level of competition, allegedly. I mean, you're going to get teams best shots for the most part in the postseason. But it's hard for me just having watched the spurs in the preliminary rounds and how they, they handled some adversity women, Yama specifically, you know, he suffered a concussion in the first round. He got in sideways with the officials when he got, when he threw the elbow at Naz Reed in the, in the second round against Minnesota. He had a poor, I think it was game five against Oklahoma City and he didn't talk to the media and he got, you know, some, some stern looks from that, that. And he's come back strong from each of those episodes. And I would consider that what we've seen through those two games in, in San Antonio, up to and including his, his pass into Stefan Castle's back. That's, that's adversity that he's going to be determined to come back from. And you know, they call him the alien for all of his physical attributes, but I mean, he seems to be able to process things and absorb and learn lessons and, and put that knowledge to use very quickly. So I would expect at some point here, and probably in game three because you get down three zero. No team has ever come back from that in the NBA in any best of seven game series. Now, you could Say, well, that would be the perfect opportunity for women Yama to show how different he is. No, no, no, that's, that's too big of an ask. Game three changes everything. If it's two one now, all of a sudden there are, you know, there, there's precedent for a team coming back from that. It's, it's not good when you're down 20 and lose two home games. But there's a way to dig out.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I want you to hear Day Ron and Fox talk about defending Jalen Brunson, who was ineffective down the stretch. And I, you know, no, no one's going to be perfect. Cut 35. You know, you watch him. He has some of the best footwork in the game. Obviously, he's a tough shot maker. He can really shoot the ball.

[Andrew Giuliani]

He's strong.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You know, people talk about his size. Yeah, he's not tall, but he's strong

and he knows how to get to his spots. He plays angles well. But yeah, we, I mean, we've done a, I think a good job on him through the course of the game, but he's made big shots. I mean, he's been a clutch player of the year. You know, obviously probably the biggest reason

[Dylan Nealis]

why they're here, but we have to

[Brian Kilmeade]

continue to just try to make it, try to make it tough on him.

[Dylan Nealis]

And I think we're doing a pretty

[Brian Kilmeade]

good job at that. And he's played well despite, despite that. Here's what Brunson said about what they need to do. Cut 36.

[Lawrence Jones]

Just when you look at the film,

[Brian Kilmeade]

what are things that you guys need

[Ben Dominate]

to clean up to be prepared for game three.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I think playing better with the, the lead that we had in the 14, the 14 point lead, the way they fought back and took the lead is just a credit to who they are. Us staying composed helped us win that game, but we do need to be able to finish the game better. Just unacceptable. The way we just obviously just let that 14 point lead go the way we did would have been a disaster. Had they lost that game. Coming back would be more of a desperate situation. So what do you think about the way Brunson's been guarded and how he's been playing well?

[Steve Ashburner]

I mean, I got to give a lot of credit to that guy. I was thinking the other morning after game one, who does he remind me of? What's a good comp for, For Jalen Brunson? And it might be odd, but where I landed was for people old enough to recall the style of smoking Joe Frazier. The boxer, the way that Brunson is sort of relentless, and he burrows in and he takes his small steps and he angles himself, and you can't get him off of you. And it just seems like, you know, he's strong physically. He's, you know, he's 62 and he's thick, and he knows how to sort of get around defenders in tight spots, and he sees the floor so well. So to me, it's just that, that he's going to keep coming, and if the shots don't fall, that's not going to change anything. He's got the. The history of great performance in clutch time, and we've seen that in this game. And little things, you know, tipping, tipping a. An offensive rebound. Mikhail Bridges caught it, got it to Brunson over in the right corner in game one. And that. That started the Knicks, you know, down the stretch of that victory. And then, of course, you know, having the presence of mind to be able to swoop in there when the ball hit Stefan Castle's back, not only get the ball, but I guess so rattle Victor that he ended up with a foul and the winning free throw. So Brunson, to me, is just, you know, a gamer. We throw those things around. They're cliches. But.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But Steve, a number two pick. A number two pick on Dallas that they viewed as expendable.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you know what I like about this? Like, sometimes they have Trends. Remember, famously, LeBron goes, the triplets go down, and they go down to Miami, and the stars ever since then have been getting together and deciding what teams are going to be on. And now maybe that was the trend. One, go get Durant, you know, go get a star. Go get LeBron, you know, go see if you could turn your fortunes around. And then if it doesn't go well, well, they decide to leave on their own. You know, when Kyrie Irving decides the Nets aren't going to go anywhere, he decides, I going to demand a trade. Now, if success leaves clues, the new formula might be so good for the league. We're going to build a team. We're going to see if we can grow our stars rather than buy our stars. And I love that element of sports, to watch a guy grow rather than just go get an established star and then hope he could buy a champion.

[Steve Ashburner]

Yeah, no doubt about it. Now, the NBA changed its financial structure to try to discourage the clustering of superstars. It's very expensive now to even dare, you know, consider that. Plus, it's a copycat league up until Teams copy things and it doesn't go well. You know, the Lakers assembled a bunch of guys for a while there. The, you know, other teams have, have tried to do it and it, and it hasn't, you know, with the Clippers when, when they got Paul George and Kawhi Leonard and had to show for it. So the organic team building, not only is it financially responsible, but now we're seeing the successes of it. And frankly, you know, the team that got the most credit for that in recent years was Oklahoma City. And I'm actually, I'm not happy they lost, but I am eager to see how they respond to this because they have had everything set up now with their draft picks and their deep roster and yeah, eventually they'd have to pay some of those guys. They've got some adversity. Are they going to veer, Are they going to change their direction or are they so backloaded that it's just going to be okay, our next, our next time at this. But yeah, I like your observation. I think that this is, this is an easy kind of team to root for. To me, this is the 2016 Cubs in a sense.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I hear you. And lastly, President's going to be there tonight. It's going to be packed with celebrities as well. Minimum ticket. I think you're spending $5,000 to go to the game. Game. Tell me about how that changes the dynamic out. Dynamic, dynamic out there.

[Steve Ashburner]

Well, I remember reading about a situation where the Beatles gave a concert back in the day and it wasn't their typical audience, you know, screaming young girls. It was a lot of hoity toity elites. And John Lennon said something like, you know, those of you in the good seats rattle your jewelry. You know, you wonder whether that's going to be a situation where, where there's a little less passion if you don't have the leather long blue collar people that have supported this team, you know, day in, day out. Now NBA tickets never are cheap, but you know, this is a whole new, new level. It's crazy the, the money that's being drawn by these tickets. I still think once a place is loud, it's loud and you know, that I don't expect it to really affect the spurs, but it is going to be happening. And you know, I hope all goes well with the president coming on by and that, you know, people just really throw themselves into the spirit of the sport. I thought the NBA commissioner Adam Silver talked about sort of the togetherness of an event like this. This is what sports is best for. I mean, you could be diametrically opposed to the guy sitting at your elbow. But if you're rooting for the same team or against the same team, you got all sorts of stuff in common.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And it's been brought up and I never thought about it before, but the Nets, you know, to all the, to whatever credit you want to give them, it's not like Met, Yankees, not like Jets, Giants, it's not like Islanders, Rangers. There's really the Knicks and the Nets. Even if they get to the finals, they don't have the same passion and rivalry. So people are really united. Like when the Mets get to the World Series, 50% of the city is not happy. You know, the Rangers, Winner, Stanley Cup, 50% of the city is not happy, happy. Or the state 100%. I think 97% of the people are looking, are rooting for the same team, which very rarely happens here.

[Steve Ashburner]

Yeah, it's just, it is impressive to see. I mean, you see it. You know, I'm not a native New Yorker, I grew up in Chicago, but you know, it reminds me of the Cubs and their fans. And when things are going well in those rare occasions in Chicago, you know, it's just, it's a virus in a good way that sweeps through people. I see everybody wearing Knicks jerseys. We have a, we have a nine month old grandson and our daughter sent us a photo of him in a Jalen Brunson jersey. And I immediately wanted to know how long have you guys had that jersey? Because I don't go for front running. And they're like, no, no, no, he's had that, They've had that jersey for about four months. So he's been a Knicks fan most

[Brian Kilmeade]

of his life and he will be forever. Yep. Steve, good luck tonight. I mean, I'm so glad for you guys. The NBA's front and center, center. Everyone's watching and hopefully the ratings reflect that. Steve Ashburner, thank you.

[Steve Ashburner]

Enjoy it, Brian.

[Brian Kilmeade]

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Two of the things in the email include, can we make the protesters look more violent. Now, I'm paraphrasing. I don't have the quote, but that's what was communicated to me. And the other thing was Renee Goode's car. You need to describe her as driving toward the officer Peli says his team rechecked to make sure nothing was missed before deciding not to take the notes. That episode of 60 Minutes came within

19 minutes of not making air.

Is it possible to see this as the system working? She had notes. You felt they didn't make sense to take. The piece ran and there was no retaliation. Well, it was the interference as a problem. And the bigger problem, Lulu, frankly, is not any kind of political influence. The problem was the incompetence. Said it. He kind of said it roundabout. So he. This is Scott Pelley describing after he got fired, sitting down with the New York Times in a lengthy podcast where he welled up probably five, six times and said, you got notes before that arrest about the Minneapolis piece. You got notes that she did drive towards him and he was hit. If you look at the other angle, that's what she's saying. And also, it was a violent crowd. He said, well, I put in the Alex Preddy case. But you hear. He said. He said, I didn't like the notes. They were incompetence. But there was. You don't like your boss's notes. Usually you're so attached. I get it. Someone wants to adjust your painting or your package. You feel you resent it. But to the interviewer's question, she's like, but didn't this work? You didn't include the updates, and they still let it run. Done. CBS put out a statement, too, to the effect of, this is just the normal editorial process. You put in notes on a package. You think you might. They didn't. They still aired it. It's. How dare you. How dare you approach me with your notes. You're Barry Weiss. You wrote editorials for the New York Times. You don't start. You start. The Free Press. Well, that's a nice little organization. I'm 60 Minutes. It's crazy. They say that the Don Ewitt and Mike Wallace used to argue like that all the time, screaming at each other. But it worked for 50 years. But there was respect underneath that Brian, kill me show.