Kinetic Action Is Back: Trump Strikes Iranian Bases

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Brian Kilmeade Show

Episode: "Kinetic Action Is Back: Trump Strikes Iranian Bases"
Date: June 10, 2026

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Overview

This episode centers on the dramatic resurgence of U.S. military action against Iran under President Trump, following Iranian missile attacks on U.S. forces. Brian Kilmeade hosts a series of conversations with policy experts, former officials, and commentators about the evolving crisis in the Middle East, the domestic economic effects, the state of the housing market, and the intersection of politics and sports, all while maintaining the show’s brisk, debate-driven tone.

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Key Topics & Segments

1. U.S. Strikes Iran: Escalation and Implications

[01:52, 19:23, 25:10, 40:26, 94:09]

• Background: After Iranian missile attacks on U.S. forces in Bahrain, Kuwait, and Jordan, President Trump orders kinetic strikes on 20 Iranian targets.
• President indicates willingness to escalate, including potential targeting of Iranian power plants and bridges.
• Iranian retaliation included strikes on four U.S. bases but with limited impact.

Quotes:

• “Kinetic action is back. 20 targets were hit in Iran...the president has basically let it known.” – Brian Kilmeade [01:52]
• “He may keep going and that he is getting closer to the targeting of Iranian power plants and bridges. That is big news.” – Brian Kilmeade [01:52]
• “President Trump is at the moment where he's like, the objective here is the art of no deal... Let’s knock them down.” – Roger Zakheim [22:00]

Discussion Points:

• Comparison to Reagan-era tactics on Iran, with emphasis on decisive U.S. force.
• Debate over proportionality versus decisive action (“the emphasis on proportionality for me is overdone”—Roger Zakheim [23:38])
• Analysis of the legality and necessity of U.S. action amidst domestic political criticism (notably from Democrats).

Notable Moment:
President Trump posts on Truth Social about the effectiveness of the ongoing blockade against Iran—the “most successful blockade in history,” having stopped over 135 ships. [21:51]

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2. Domestic Economic Consequences

[04:04, 27:53, 40:26]

• Issue: The Iran conflict drives gas prices higher ($91/barrel+), with inflation at 4.2%.
• Impact on consumer confidence and the broader economy.
• Secretary Scott Turner points to White House readiness and the anticipated rollback in prices once the conflict subsides.

Quote:
“Once this conflict is over in Iran, you'll see those gas prices come down... if Iran had a nuclear weapon, we’d be having different conversations in America.” – Scott Turner [04:11]

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3. Housing Policy, Regulatory Reform, & Opportunity Zones

[03:09–13:14]

• Scott Turner (HUD Secretary) details White House efforts to address housing shortages: easing regulatory barriers, expanding credit access (including Vantage Score 4.0/FICO 10T), empowering community banks, and leveraging Opportunity Zones.
• Critique of former Obama-Biden “national zoning” rules, citing a return to local control.

Quote: “We helped over a million people to be homeowners...by expanding [credit scoring], we help more potential home buyers.” – Scott Turner [05:37] “Bring back the hometown lender, bring back the community bank back to the table...” – Scott Turner [07:09]

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4. Politics, Sports, & Social Tensions

[33:32, 79:01]

• Riots and violence among Knicks fans after an NBA Finals loss draws sharp critique.
• Broader debate on parenting, youth violence, and whether fandom or deeper societal issues are to blame.

Quote:
“People are getting beat up just for wearing Spurs shirts. It’s criminal. I don’t even think they’re fans…” – Brian Kilmeade [00:44, 33:32]

• Discusses White House UFC fight event and Al Sharpton’s critical (and controversial) historical analogy. Turner and Kilmeade dismiss the analogy as “ridiculous”, calling out Sharpton for reaching for attacks when “there is nothing to say.”

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5. The Role of AI, Tech Talent, and Regulatory Framework

[56:11–72:31]

• Interview with Arun Gupta (Noble Reach Foundation) about government efforts to recruit tech talent, the AI “Mythos” scare, and the societal impact of AI adoption and education.
• Concerns about AI safety, international coordination, and the importance of injecting youthful talent into government cyber roles.

Quote:
“We need to be able to create pathways to get our top talent coming into government... currently, less than 6% of tech workers are under the age of 30.” – Arun Gupta [58:10] “Mythos...so powerful, it freaked out everybody at the White House and intimidated a lot of people in Silicon Valley.” – Brian Kilmeade [56:21]

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6. 2026 Political Dynamics: Graham Prattner, Susan Collins, & Mike Pence

[51:45, 94:06, 106:06]

• Graham Prattner, Democratic nominee in Maine, advocates an isolationist foreign policy and is scrutinized for his controversial personal background.
• Mike Pence (guest) promotes his new book “What Conservatives Believe,” contrasts conservative and progressive visions, and discusses border security and immigration reform.
• Pence supports aggressive military action against Iran, criticizes isolationism, and defends conservative principles amid shifting political winds.

Quote:
“Democratic Party has been overrun by the progressive left... there’s also a new threat... from a populist right that would embrace isolationism, protectionism, marginalized values.” – Mike Pence [97:04]

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7. NBA Finals: Knicks vs. Spurs & The Intersection of Sports & Politics

[77:47–88:59]

• In-depth analysis with Ian O’Connor on the NBA Finals, focusing on the Knicks’ home loss, pivotal player moments (Wembanyama, Josh Hart), and the impact of high security due to President Trump’s attendance.
• Discussion on exorbitant ticket prices and fan experiences.
• Charlemagne the God’s reflection that “Trump sucked the joy out of the city”—promptly refuted by Kilmeade and O’Connor.

Quote:
“Losing sucks. It always has and it always will.” – Ian O’Connor [88:05]

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• “Kinetic action is back. 20 targets were hit in Iran...the president has basically let it known.” – Brian Kilmeade [01:52]
• “President Trump is at the moment where he's like, the objective here is the art of no deal...” – Roger Zakheim [22:00]
• “We need about between 5 and 7 million units of housing in our country...the regulatory environment has got to come down.” – Scott Turner [08:09]
• “Bring back the hometown lender, bring back the community bank back to the table…” – Scott Turner [07:09]
• “It starts in the house...fathers aren’t in the home, fatherlessness is so provocative...” – Scott Turner [14:22]
• “We need to be able to create pathways to get our top talent coming into government...currently, less than 6% of tech workers are under the age of 30.” – Arun Gupta [58:10]
• “One does not make peace with one’s enemy. One makes peace with one’s defeated enemy.” – Mike Pence [103:26]
• “Losing sucks. It always has and it always will.” – Ian O’Connor [88:05]

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Additional Highlights

• Admiral Robert Harwood (former senior adviser, Iran Policy Project) discusses the evolution of drone warfare and the importance of targeting Iran’s IRGC leadership. [41:07]
• Discussion of Opportunity Zones and long-term changes in U.S. economic policy for housing and redevelopment. [09:36]
• Comment on the needed legislative push for “Golden Dome” missile defense system and rising defense budgets. [29:33]
• Segment on AI/tech talent reflects broader generational anxieties and paths toward “mission-driven” government service. [56:11–72:31]
• Extended sports-talk segments reflect the interwoven nature of American cultural, political, and social issues.

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Conclusion

This fast-moving episode ties breaking foreign policy headlines to immediate domestic implications, frequently jumping between the Iran escalation, economic fallout at home, the 2026 political landscape, and American sports culture. Kilmeade and his guests balance alarm, optimism, and pointed critique as they parse the news shaping—and roiling—the country.

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Transcript

[Brian Kilmeade]

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[Brian Kilmeade (Radio Intro)]

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[Brian Kilmeade]

So glad you're there. It's the Brian Kilmeade show. This hour I'm going to be joined by Scott Turner. How do I know he's here already? The 19th US Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, HUD. And Roger Zakheim joins us from he's the Washington director of the Ronald Reagan Presidential foundation and Institute. And don't forget, you'd always get the youth YouTube show YouTube.com@thebriand kilmeadeshow. Got a lot of content goes there every day, including this whole radio show. And before we get to Scott, let's get to the big three. Number three, see the way those Knicks fans acted yesterday. Last night after the loss riots at Bryant park, beating up spurs fans, beating up each other. Oh, it broke my heart. There's no question about it. Dave Porter is 100% right. In embarrassment, New York fans, not the team, are embarrassing the city with their violent behavior outside the arena attacking cops and spurs fans. I saw it myself. This is not sports. This is not passion. It's criminal. And I don't even think they're fans. And don't blame Texas if they never come here again. People are getting beat up just for wearing Texans, excuse me, the San Antonio spurs shirts. It's wrong.

[Graham Prattner]

Number two is why we won last night with a huge margin. And it is. And we're just going to continue to do that. I'm going to continue to go out all over the state of Maine. I've held 83 town halls in the past eight months. Susan Collins hasn't held one since I was in eighth grade.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, that's interesting. Primary results from Tuesday in California to that were two weeks ago. We're going to talk about what it all means for November and holding the House and Senate if you're a Republican. Number one, I just spoke with President Trump. And following the US Strikes against Iran overnight and the Iranian missile attacks against US Forces in Bahrain, Kuwait and Jordan, the president tells FOX News he may keep going and that he is getting closer to the targeting of Iranian power plants and bridges. That is big news. And that just happened. We are, we Hit back last night and they responded by hitting four of our bases. They didn't do any damage except for Bahrain. They look like they had one hit. And the president has basically let it known, in truth Social, that kinetic action is back. 20 targets were hit in Iran and they foolishly responded while dragging their feet on negotiations. I don't think we have a choice. Mr. Secretary, great to see you. How much has this hung over the head of almost all the meetings over the last three months.

[Scott Turner]

Well, it's great to see you too, Brian. Thanks for having me. You know, the president, man, he's laser focused on both fronts. Number one, to keep our American people safe, to keep the homeland safe. The Iranian regime is an evil regime. They cannot have a nuclear weapon. And he's been very clear about that. And when you see a president who wants to prioritize and does prioritize American safety, but yet at the same time, Brian, he's focused on domestic policy and housing affordability. And affordability around our country. The markets are fluctuating, but I believe that consumer confidence is high. Home sales have gone up there in their Highest level since December. 172 jobs, 72,000 jobs added in May on Friday. Yes, sir. And you know, the market is sustainable. There's fluctuation, but even the president knew that going in. But he's focused on keeping us safe. The people in America, I believe, trust the President to keep us safe and to make sure that Americans are his priority and kept first here on homeland.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So how much have gas prices going up with the $91 a barrel? How has that affected the economy?

[Scott Turner]

Well, I think as you look at gas prices, it's costing all of us, every American, more to fill up their tank. And we understand that. The president understands that. You know, but you have Secretary Wright, Secretary Burgum, who are working extremely hard every day on our energy to make sure that America is energy independent, that we're not dependent on other foreign sources for our oil and our energy. But I believe that once this conflict is over in Iran, you'll see those gas prices come down. You'll see a lot of prices come down. But Brian, I've said this and unapologetically, we'll be having a lot of different conversations in America. If Iran had a nuclear weapon.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Oh, yeah, and ballistic missiles funding the proxies. Yes, sir, everything like that. They are the beasts of the Middle east and always have been. I want you to hear Chris Wright just talk about energy cut to.

[Scott Turner]

Okay.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I know there's things you can't talk about, Mr. Secretary, but can you give us an indication of where ship traffic

[Mike Pence]

through the strait, not just kind of

[Brian Kilmeade]

around in the Gulf through the strait is today, relative to say a week ago or two weeks ago?

[Roger Zakheim]

Rising.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, thanks for coming. Rising a lot.

[Roger Zakheim]

Yeah, I would say rising very meaningfully.

[Mike Pence]

Okay.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Very meaningfully. So that would be if people are going to buy housing, you know, they got to make sure their expenses are predictable. Right. So how has that affected housing?

[Scott Turner]

Well, here's what I say. Last year at HUD, you know, and that's my job, I lead HUD. We helped over 1 million people to be homeowners.

[Brian Kilmeade]

How?

[Scott Turner]

Through our FHA mortgage insurance program. FHA is the number one first time home buyer program in America. We helped a million people and 800 though 80% of those were first time home buyers.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And what's the threshold for that? Like how much can you get for an FHA loan to buy a house?

[Scott Turner]

Well, it depends on what state you're in. The beauty about the FHA is the down payment. It's a minimal down payment, but you have to be credit worthy, trustworthy borrower. Yeah. And so we helped over a million people. And just a few weeks ago we announced that through FHA we now accept Vantage Score 4.0 and also FICO 10T. Because our models for credit were old archaic models. And so now by expanding that, we help more potential home buyers. And that's things that the mainstream media is not talking about. But we helped over a million people. We just made an announcement to expand the credit market for more potential home buyers. For first time home buyers still have to be credit worthy, still have to be trust borrowers. But this will expand it through our.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And you also say, I didn't realize this because of Dodd Frank and everything that collapsed in 2008. They have thresholds now for banks to be able to lend money. So they don't want to turn around and go, the banks have no money if everything collapsed there knows money there and we know the ripple effects of what happened. So now you want to get community banks back involved so Mr. And Mrs. Johnson, wherever they are, have more of a chance to get the mortgage they need.

[Scott Turner]

Exactly right. So the President signed two executive orders. One was to remove the regulatory barriers to build an affordable construction affordable homes. And the second one was to increase the credit market competition. And so what this means is to bring back the hometown lender, bring back the community bank back to the table when it comes to the mortgage lending game. And this gives opportunity, as you said, for Mr. And Ms. Johnson, the people in rural America, you know, low to moderate income people, first time home buyers, more opportunity to become homeowners and achieve the American dream.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right? So that is helping. And the only thing we always hear about the housing market, not enough housing. We went from a plethora. There was too much causing us to, you know, around after the collapse, it was too much. People were just buying houses, pennies on the dollar. In fact, the corporations were urged to help out. Now we're telling them to stay out, but they were urged to help out and buy some houses. And now then they said, well, we're making some money here. And there was boxing out the average family. So now what has happened and what are you guys doing about it?

[Scott Turner]

Good question. So when we travel around the country, the number one issue, the number one thing that is crippling home development and construction is the reg. Environment regulations in our country are stifling building. We need about between 5 and 7 million units of housing in our country. Single family, multifamily manufactured housing, duplex condo. But the regulatory environment has got to come down. And so from a federal standpoint at hud, we're asking people around the country, localities, mayors, look at your regulatory environment and see how you can ease that so builders can build, developers can develop and people can buy. And so the first thing we did was take down the affirmatively further and fair housing rule, which was a Biden and Obama era rule that literally made Washington a national zone in board. So think about this. Washington bureaucrats are telling people in Frisco, Texas or Farmer's Branch, Texas or Tamaqua, Pennsylvania, how you have to zone your neighborhood. Well, bureaucrats don't know the needs of every neighborhood around our country. So we tore this down to restore that freedom and flexibility back to the localities. Also, Brian, we just published our regulatory best practices report that comes from research we've done from around the country of people, cities and states that are doing best practices to build and increase the supply of homes in our country. And so by.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you're not saying government housing. Kamala Harris ran on I'm going to build. The government's going to build 2.5 million houses. You're just trying to make it financially advantageous for and put the incentives out there for people to build.

[Scott Turner]

That's exactly. All right. We won't make it better for builders to build and for buyers to buy. And the way you do this is bringing down the cost by taking the regulatory environment down and also bringing up the supply. The private sector is the solution here, public private partnerships have worked great. Opportunity Zones are another asset that we have, a policy asset that we have to increase housing. In the first iteration of opportunity zones, about 400,000 new homes were built. And because of this working family tax cut or the one big beautiful bill, Opportunity Zones have now been made permanent. So we have great anticipation that millions more of units of housing will be built around our country.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. So, and also the Opportunity Zones are permanent. And why we. So if I'm a bank, why would I, why does that help me? How would I get incentivized to go there?

[Scott Turner]

Well, if you look at the Opportunity Zone, this is the incentive here is capital gains. And so if Brian Kilmeade has an asset and you sell that asset and you have a million dollar capital gain, historically you would have to send that capital gain to Washington because it's a tax, it's what you send to the, to the feds. But if you have this million dollars and you invest it in qualified opportun Opportunity Zone fund, which is the vehicle, and then that vehicle invests in a qualified Opportunity zone business in the urban, tribal or rural Opportunity zone that's certified by the treasury and you make a profit on that initial million dollars, whatever that profit is, let's say it's another million dollars. You pay zero capital gains. And so in this first iteration of opportunity zones, $100 billion has been invested around our country. And so banks oftentimes become part of that capital stack.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Do you meet with banks on a regular basis? Do you try to explain this to them or they just do that?

[Scott Turner]

You know, our banks around the country have a great hold on Opportunity Zones. You know, they've done a wonderful job in this first tranche from 2018 to today because banks, a lot of times they add the debt part of it and so they're part of that capital stack. We continue as we travel around the country, we're always educating people, private sector, public sector, entrepreneurs, faith, community banks and all about what Opportunity Zones are.

[Brian Kilmeade]

When Trump left office and Biden took over, did he kill the Opportunity Zones or leave it?

[Scott Turner]

Well, when he, when Biden came in, he did not re up the coordinating council. That was the council that I led. It was called the White House Opportunity and Revitalization Council. I encourage the next, the Biden administration to keep this council, but they ripped it up. But nonetheless, Opportunity Zones have been extremely successful. People are very excited about this new Opportunity Zones 2.0.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Tim Scott did a lot for that too.

[Scott Turner]

Tim Scott did a great job.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And right so now you're saying they're permanent because they're in the big, beautiful. Bill.

[Scott Turner]

Exactly.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, so do you know what's going on in the White House lawn over the weekend? Yes, the UFC fight.

[Scott Turner]

I do.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. Are you going?

[Scott Turner]

Yes, I have been invited to sit on the South Lawn.

[Brian Kilmeade]

How do you feel about that?

[Scott Turner]

You know, it's going to be the greatest sporting event, really, in the history of the White House. You know, I come from the football world and the sports world, but I'm very excited about it. I know the President is extremely excited. And I think the thing that excites him the most is that he can provide this for the American people.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, every time he goes to do something, there's certain segments of the world that just are being critical. The Democrats are upset by that. And listen, Fox is not televising. I'm just telling you. Sin Al Sharpton had this to say about the President's decision to have this big event for 250. Cut 56.

[Scott Turner]

There is a connection of why they're having these fights on the White House law and the UFO and whatever they call it, UFC and all that. Cause they're trying to go back to that when, you know, they'd watch people have these fights for the slave masters and they'd be entertained by it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I mean, the UFC is one of the most popular sports in the world.

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

Yeah.

[Scott Turner]

That's ridiculous.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I mean, do you. Do you agree with that analogy?

[Scott Turner]

I think it's a complete farce. It's ridiculous. When you have nothing to say, you make up stuff. And that's what you hear Al Sharpton doing. And they've been doing that for years. Has nothing to do with slavery.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right.

[Scott Turner]

Has nothing to do with entertaining the white man. Has nothing to do with that at all, actually. I'm offended by that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right.

[Scott Turner]

As an athlete, as a black man in America, as a Cabinet member, and all the other things that God has called me to be. That is a complete farce. It's ridiculous.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Is the first time you heard that.

[Scott Turner]

It's the first time. Hopefully it's the last time.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I'm watching. Just tapped into your sports background again. I'm watching the Knicks and Spurs and the security was off the chest because the President was going. It was terrible. But as I was leaving, you saw the violence. You saw the wilding you got in D.C. or these teenagers went wild. They weren't Knick fans angry that they lost or the referee's calls, but the violence after a sporting event. Is there any way to get ahead of it. I watched it in Paris. PSG wins and they start wrecking Paris. And now they were, win or lose, they're going to try to wreck this city.

[Scott Turner]

Yeah, it starts in the house. You know, you got these teenagers that are running them up, that have no peace in their life, that have no direction in their life. But you look at the family formation in our country and how fathers aren't in the home, how fatherlessness is so provocative in our country today. There's no way that a teenager who has responsible parents, who has parents that inflict discipline and restore righteousness in the life of a teenager. If we had that going on in America and stopped trying to live a lifestyle that we're not supposed to live and try to be somebody we're not supposed to be. And mothers and fathers are actually parent kids today. Brod, I am convinced, and knowing this, that you wouldn't see these teenagers tearing up the streets of America. Why be violent when people win or lose? What does that have to do with anything?

[Brian Kilmeade]

And there's no ramifications.

[Scott Turner]

There's no ramification.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Lastly, I think this, it's just interesting football in New York. Jackson Dart decides to introduce President Trump. And Rockland county, and we had Abdul Carter and a few other players, Brian Burns, fantastic player, come out and say they were really upset at Jackson Darton. He never apologized, but he addressed the team. You're friends with Trump. Not only did he hire you, you guys are friends. Where do you stand on all this? And you know what it's like in the locker room, too.

[Scott Turner]

And you know, it wasn't like that when I played from 1995 to 2004. These kids today, number one, you know, it's a lack of education. Number two, why would you get mad at your teammate because he wants to go introduce the President of the United States. I'm proud of him for doing it. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity, even if he is a supporter, you know, but if he wasn't a supporter and he got the opportunity, he took it. And his teammates should be happy for him, not be angry at him and call him out on social media. Number one, social media is not the place to have that conversation.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Call him, call the phone, meet him,

[Scott Turner]

go pick him up, go have coffee, go eat, you know, go have something to eat and talk about it, but don't bring it out to the public. That's the first. And number two, he has every right to do it. You know, it's the constitution in our country. But number three, my Point is, when players were introducing people on the Democrat side or ultra liberal people, you heard no conversation about this.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What time had a fundraiser for Hillary?

[Scott Turner]

That's what I'm saying. Who attacked LeBron? Conservatives didn't attack him. Liberals didn't attack him. So why are you going to attack Josh and Dart for introducing the sitting President of the United States of America, who, by the way, is from New York.

[Roger Zakheim]

Right.

[Scott Turner]

So to me, it was just. It's ridiculous.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And you can answer how you want, but I know for a fact, because I've known him for a while, is that if you talk to Daryl Strawberry, you talk to Herschel Walker, you talk to Mike Tyson, this guy is the least racist person in the world. He wouldn't in a million years. In fact, he's an equal opportunity offender. And complimenter. It doesn't matter who you are.

[Scott Turner]

No, I can attest to that. I know the President very well. This is the second time he's appointed me to positions to lead in America. If you're a racist, you don't appoint somebody who you apparently hate to lead one of the top agencies or to lead opportunity zones in our country. If you're a racist, you do not do that. But I can tell you from the bottom of my heart, he's not a racist. I spend time with him.

[Brian Kilmeade]

HUD Secretary Scott Turney doing a fantastic job. Thanks so much for joining us.

[Scott Turner]

Thank you, bro.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Back in a moment.

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[Brian Kilmeade (Radio Intro)]

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[Mike Pence]

It was announced just as we were walking in here. There is a defensive strike that has been taken. It is proportional and limited.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The White House and the Pentagon announced

[Mike Pence]

and said it's against unjustified Iranian aggression. They did notify me as the leader of the House before this began and its targeted strikes to, to the radar, missile and command and control sites. And it is defensive in nature.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right. And so let me update you on that as speaker of the House. After meeting with the President, I think he went to the Situation Room after they took out our Apache helicopter. Really unbelievable story. It turns out the drone nestled itself in between the landing gear of an Apache helicopter. Normally a drone strikes. It blows up. For some reason it didn't. But it was getting unbelievably hot so they had to crash the Apache. So our guys were in the water treading water for an hour. Thankfully, the rescued by, get this, an on water drone. So it gets ripped for the first time ever thanks to Admiral Cooper doing that at a previous position before he took over centcom. Okay, up to date with that. After we saw that they attacked our Apache, we hit multiple sites, four separate waves, command and control when it comes to radar and surveillance. They in turn just hit us back at four separate locations. Bahrain, Jordan and Kuwait. Three separate locations. They're going after our bases there. And they did some damage in Bahrain, not much, but they were stopped. But because of that, the president just put out on Truth Social that essentially he's wrapping, he's wrapping up and ramping up attacks. And just before we bring in our guest, I'll tell you exactly what he said. Iran's military is in complete, total mess. Much of it like their Navy and Air force doesn't exist. They have been completely defeated. Iran is all talk and no action. The bully of the Middle east is dead. They've been taking too long to negotiate a deal and would have been great for them. Now they'll have to pay the price and the president hit them Back for them coming and answering. President also brings up in the next tweet that the blockade has been the most successful blockade in history. It's not reported. It's a steel wall. They've stopped over 135 ships and blew up seven that tried to run our blockade. So that's all denying. Even their ghost fleet they're not supposed to have going in and out. Roger Zakhaim joins us now. Washington director of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation Institute. Roger, if Ronald Reagan was live right now, you would not be surprised that Iran is still the same problem that he had when he was in office for eight years.

[Roger Zakheim]

Yes. And I think he would fully support recognizing reality here that the ceasefire is non existent. I mean, it's ob. We are engaged in conflict. The Iranian up with the attack on our Apache and now the strikes in the Gulf states that you just mentioned. And I think President Trump is at the moment where he's like, the objective here is the art of no deal. That's what the Washington Post had in their editorial today. And I think that is spot on. Let's go ahead and really knock them down, knock the Iranians down to where they need to be. They have been trying to leverage the closing of the Strait of Hormuz. Now they've ratcheted up by trying to incorporate Hezbollah into this negotiation. And they need to be taken down to size to basically realize an outcome here where the straits are going to be open. We'll have a cold peace that will advantage American interest and force the Iranians ultimately to submit to what is our objective, no nuclear program, no enrichment.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So just bring me back. Would you know we're taking action there. And I'm watching every Democrat immediately say war of choice. War of choice. War of choice. They've been briefed at the highest level. We've had the same opponent in the Middle east for 47 years. I mean, I understand politics, but to really root against us and say things like we're losing or we've lost on our side after 13,000 strikes and 8,000 Iranian strikes and wiping out between 60 and 80 of their leadership. Does it surprise you?

[Roger Zakheim]

No, this always happens. I mean, this is part of our Democratic Republic. The political opportunism seems too great for our elected officials on Democratic side to see through. Obviously, they're getting caught up in process by talking about a war of choice. We had the War Powers Resolution last week, but if you break it down, the Iranians during this ceasefire broke it effectively from day one. And they've continued to ratchet up. It is without question lawful for the President to respond. In fact, I was worried that we'd have bonds, a Black Hawk strike. You know, the emphasis on proportionality for me is overdone. Of course we're going to be proportional, but we have to do it in a way that's going to stop the Iranians from attacking us again. And the problem when you see this language of proportionality is that invites the adversary to ratchet up as opposed to doing something definitive that will actually have a meaningful outcome in the form of the adversary being deterred not to strike again. So, you know, Democrats will do what they need to do. We saw it in Reagan's day. They tried to constrain Reagan and Lebanon with their war powers. It ended up being a terrible outcome. So there's a whole discussion around this. We have one commander in chief, Ryan. That's the bottom line. There shouldn't be, you know, 535 commanders in chief. That's what our founders emphasize. And, and when you look at the situation, Iran is complex. It needs command and control. It needs one person having that decision authority. Congress has a role, but it's not the role of playing commander in chief.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So the President speaking to the foreign minister, and believe it or not, through emissaries, the new supreme leader, who's banged up and beat up and bombed out, and we took out his wife, we took out his father and others, and he is still commanding control there, but they think they're making progress. And then I watch this. This guy is a spokesperson for Parliament. He's actually a parliamentary. He's head of Parliament. Cut five. This is Ibrahim Azizi. Cut five.

[Ibrahim Azizi]

We don't think that he's honest, but we have said many times that we accept a negotiation as a continuation of the battlefield. We consider negotiation to be part of the battle. If we could be convinced that there is sincerity in the Americans, especially in the President of the United States, and if we could reach confidence that they are people of negotiation and that they also submit to the rules of negotiation, then the Islamic Republic would have no problem with negotiating.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, so what's he talking about? I thought they were having serious negotiations. He goes on to say this. Cut six.

[Ibrahim Azizi]

We do not see a serious will to reach a framework that could actually be implemented. And I think with regard to Iran's blocked assets, this is in fact a very clear and prominent example of that. As for uranium enriched materials, enrichments itself, and nuclear issues, we are not currently negotiating on those matters. There is no discussion of them because it is not intended that we should have negotiations on those issues at this stage.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, someone's lying. He says we're not discussing nuclear matters. That's all we're discussing. Not enough about ballistic missiles and proxies.

[Roger Zakheim]

This is classic, you know, Iran. This is what they've been doing for 47 years, stringing us along, using negotiations to consolidate their power, their control, pushing off the hard issues. And President Trump should submit to it. I mean, he is a master negotiator. That's what he came. You know, that's what he came to office with. That's his. And I think, you know, the key is, is not to make a bad deal. He cannot return to jspoa. What you're hearing from the Iranian leadership is actually a pathway to return to what we saw from President Biden. I don't think the President's gonna submit to it, what has to happen. And this last point on the negotiation, there's no problem with continue to talk to Iranians. The president should continue doing that as long as he wants. The problem is the ceasefire. The notion, Brian, that somehow you're gonna go ahead and negotiate and seize. Putting military pressure and economic pressure on the Iranians. President should not do that. He should continue to apply the pressure, particularly when the Iranians continue to ratchet up on the military side.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, they say about anything, no doubt about it. But here's the pressure the President's feeling. Roger, we just looked at an inflation number. It's going now up to 4.2%. And oil's at $91, and it's up 1%, so I guess it's closer to 95 now. So I4 finishing it two straight weeks, the same cadence that we started. But that's what he has people in his own cabinet, and Reagan had that too, do all right? People in his own cabinet who have a different view than maybe the President does, and that maybe Pete Hegseth does and Marco Rubio. Do you know that

[Roger Zakheim]

the President should get a variety of views. And before a president makes a decision, you know, he has to take into account all the considerations for our forces in theater and, of course, for Americans at home and dealing with the economic challenges they're facing, including inflation. But you and I know that the president's legacy is tied to this and his economic legacy is tied to this. If we continue in this mode here, where we have this fake ceasefire, right, inflation will remain as long as the Iranians control the Strait of Hormuz. This isn't changing. So do the hard work go ahead and use the military force, the opening of the straits, and then we will see the inflation challenges rebound. We will actually see the prosperity that will come from it. Maybe not in this, but a year from now and certainly beyond there. That's in the President's interest. And I think that should be the response to those advisors who say, hey, you can't do this. We're at risk. We're at risk in the present situation, both economically and from a security lens. Let's remove the leverage Iranians have. Let's push through on the Strait of Hormuz. It's going to benefit the United States militarily, but also economically.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So the president wants $1.5 trillion for the defense budget, up from $890 billion. He also wants to start in the Golden Dome to give us comprehensive and maybe a North American missile defense. How realistic is that? Because you remember not to keep going back to Reagan, but he had Star wars and he wanted money for it. Now we actually have a game plan and most people are convinced we can do it. So what do you do you think now's the time?

[Roger Zakheim]

Absolutely, we need to. And the President is courageous in advocating and promoting a $1.5 trillion budget. Secretary Hegseth has done a great job pushing for this. And the key is, and this is

[Ian O'Connor]

what

[Roger Zakheim]

time in office. And I have a book coming out on peace through strength, Brian, talking about how he did the rebuild, how Reagan did the rebuild. It can't just be a one off. It can't just be one year or two years. It takes a five year effort. And to your point about Golden Dome, it's essential. Was essential. In Reagan's day. He was focused on the threat of intercontinental ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons. Today we're seeing that drone threat. Look at what's happening in Europe, Ukraine, Russia. The Ukrainians are firing into Moscow. Right. The notion that we're protected by the oceans, you know, the Pacific and Atlantic, is no longer the case for the United States. So the homeland defense, the Golden Dome, is essential. And the difference between the 1980s and where we are in the 2000s and 2000s is that, Brian, this technology is available to us. What we haven't done is leverage it to protect the homeland. And we haven't done is actually scaled up those technologies to realize the systems that can defend us from the drones, the cruise missiles and the ballistic missiles, which unfortunately, in this day and age, continental United States, because you know, Roger,

[Brian Kilmeade]

the President saw Iron Dome in his first term and he saw David Sling and saw the Arrow system and said, why do we have this for our country? Well, it's too big. Well, let's come up with something that's workable. And he got the plan and he's got it from Space Force and others. And it's tangible, but it is expensive. But I'm just wondering if he'll get the support. Man, I tell you, one thing's gotta be clear. You gotta get it out now just in case you lose the Senate.

[Roger Zakheim]

Well, you're absolutely right about that. That's a big challenge. Although there's a lot of bipartisan support around national defense, the question is whether President Trump, not just now, but after the midterms is able to leverage it. I mean it's remarkable. We have the defense authorization bills, Brian, going through the House and the Senate as we speak. Those are have enjoy overwhelming bipartisan support year after year after year. Whether it's going to be 1.5 trillion or something less. We're in the ballpark of what's required, which is roughly, you know, going north of 4% GDP. That's where we have to be. We have to do it year over year. We have the right. This is just requires an up or down vote in each chamber. And I'm hopeful that the third reconciliation before the end of the calendar year, Congress is planning that will incorporate some of these defense dollars. But to realize Golden Dome, we absolutely need the support of the Congress. We need either reconciliation or just the regular appropriations bills. And it's coming down, you know, between now and the end of the calendar year to see if we can actually get it done right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Roger Zakhaim, thanks so much, truly appreciate it.

[Ian O'Connor]

Thank you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Ronald Reagan Presidential Presidential foundation and Institute. Roger's in charge there, the Washington director. You listen to the Brian Kilmeade Show. When we come back we'll talk about ongoing military operation taking place in Iran with the latest news including the new economic numbers not strong, but the market's not cratering. We're still over 50,000 just right hovering just, just shy of 51,000. So it's not great economic news, but it's not disastrous either.

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See the way those Knicks fans acted yesterday last night after the loss riots at Bryant park, beating up spurs fans, beating up each other. Oh, it broke my heart. It, it broke my heart all we

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

heard, oh, Trump's screwing up.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We can't have watch parties.

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

Maybe you shouldn't have watch parties.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You can't handle it 100%. And I saw these people, they were over by. And I'm talking to people around the country, but in New York, Moynihan hall is this huge thing. It's akin to Penn Station just outside of Madison Square Garden. And I saw these kids, and they're like 18, 20, 16. Not really kids, young adults. They don't care about the Knicks. They're just out there throwing stuff, throwing bikes at each other, surrounding a guy. I saw these guys fight, what Portnoy's talking about. I saw these two guys fighting each other, you know, and they all made a circle around him. And then further, I got straight down the blocks. They kept pushing us and pushing us. And I'm talking about former Knicks. I'm in this herd of people with Kiki Bandaway and the CEO of Goldman Sachs. The way these. The NYPD was told to treat everybody was just awful. I mean, worse than cattle. And. And then to see the violence of these. These lunatics afterwards and then going crazy on the cops, it's just chaos. Don't tell me this is about winning. And we have a lot of. A lot of energy because it's been since 1953. These guys don't care. They just wanted. They just want to go insane. And, you know, you see passion. You see passion for the World Cup. If someone gets too drunk, they'll get in a fight. But you know exactly why they' there for their team, their country. These guys were just wreaking havoc in the city. And for you to beat up somebody else, that includes in life. Whether you're a Yankee in Fenway park or you're a Spurs fan at MSG or outside, you do not put hands on people because you don't like the team they're cheering for. Such an embarrassment. And Philadelphia has got that reputation and some other cities. And now Nick fans got their reputation. Listen to some of this. Cut 37. Yeah. Just crazy. So. And now they're going back with Stephen A. Smith said that Donald Trump's responsible that they lost. Are you kidding me? Here's Charlemagne, the God. Cut 41.

[Charlemagne the God]

Donald Trump wasn't responsible for the loss of the game, but he was responsible for the loss of joy that the New York Knicks fans had been feeling. One of the greatest things about this whole playoff run, this finals run, is watching the joy that Knicks fans have. I've never seen anything like it in New York City, okay, not for the Yankees, not for the Giants. There's nothing like when the Knicks and Donald Trump came here yesterday and sucked the joy out of the city.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And here's where he's wrong. You know, he's not to blame. Obviously. Whoopi Goldberry always knows he's a legitimate fan. He watched every second of it. He left at the end and that's what caused the delay. It was this extreme security and the lack of thought and empathy that the security. Tim, sit up. But Jessica Tisch, who I'm a fan of, had a horrible situation, absolutely awful. It took me 90 minutes to walk two blocks. They cordoned off off 15 blocks. It's almost as if they're punishing the fans because of this, because the president was going to the game. President should not take any blame for that because I went to the super bowl with the president there. We got in and out, absolutely no problem. And I saw the president clear just like I saw him clear at the game. He was still accessible. You could see him watching the game. So they didn't hide him away either. So they did a terrible job. And guess what? They're going to do the same thing this week and tomorrow. Tonight

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everyone. So glad you're there from 48th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan heard around the country, around the world. This is Brian Kilmeade show. A lot of moving parts today. Great guests coming up to help help us with it. Vice Admiral Robert Harwood, he is former senior adviser with the Iran Policy Project. He's doing that now and at the Jewish Institute for National Security of America and used to be over working for centcom. We're going to look at AI at the bottom of the hour. But right now things are ratcheting up in Iran. And why is that? Well, they took out, they tried to take out one of our Apache helicopters. They were successful taking out the chopper. Thankfully both the pilots survived and the president said enough, you're going to pay a price for that. And he hit him four waves and they came back and they hit us in Bahrain, Kuwait and Jordan that we know of right now. And they're going for our bases there. Now I saw an explosion online, not been confirmed yet in Bahrain but for the most part they missed. And in Kuwait they were, they totally missed. So the president is going back hard. I don't know how long and how hard and what exactly he's doing. It's Happening as we speak week. Admiral Robert Harwood joins us now. Admiral, great. Okay, wait a second. We're just getting him online. What I like to do is give you an understanding of the type of support the President has and one of the support he has. I told you we had Roger Whitaker. He had on yesterday with Senator Tom Cotton. They totally get it. Dave McCormick's another guy. We know inflation just came in highest since 2023 at 4.2%. We know the gas is a little bit high right now, but he's there. Cut three. We now are better positioned than ever for another round of military action. I have no doubt if we don't get to where we need to get, the President will take that. We're on our timeline, not their timeline. And, and let's not make no mistake, this, this blockade is putting enormous pressure on them. So listen, I want this to be over. I feel the pressure in Pennsylvania. I'm sure others do. The gas prices are having a real impact. So he feels the pressure. Everyone feels the pressure, but we'll start forgetting about it. We get this thing over and it's right now the straits closed and we have a blockade that's denying the Iranians any freedom, but it's also dying the oil and gas to come through. And it's really hurting Europe, it's hurting the Far east, it's hurting India. So we'll see where that goes and we'll see how many strikes we're going to hit. I sense the Iranians feel by surviving, they feel like they're winning, but they're not. Admiral Robert Horowood knows the region and knows our military. Admiral, welcome back.

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

Hey, Brian. Good to be with you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Admiral, a lot has changed in 24 hours. When I talked to you on Fox and Friends, and it looks like the President has hit back. The Apache almost was taken out. The Apache was. The pilots were almost killed. For some reason, it looks like the drone did not go off, but it was putting the. Putting the chopper on fire. So they ditched it and they said they treaded water for an hour before a. Get this. And on, you know, a. On surface drone pick them up almost like a Waymo on the water. So it picked them up and brought them back. But the President's ticked off and he hit him in five separate places, four separate waves. And then the Iranians just responded and the President's going after him again. What could you tell us and what would you like to see happen?

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

Well, first off, let's talk about the two events today that I think are important. And you said it. A drone hit this helicopter. We've never seen that before. We've seen drones hitting land targets that are fixed. That's common. But how could a drone intercept an aircraft? So drones now have the ability to target aircrafts. We've never seen that. So that serves a real advancement in drone technology just as we saw the boat that recovered the pilots. So it indicates where drones are going and how men in the battlefield and aircraft present a real risk. So that's, that's a key event in this conflict. Number two, as you said, the president striking back again. This is something he's been very patient on. He can decimate Iran if they're not suffering enough already. They're going to suffer even more if he unleashes all the tools in his kit. I think he's demonstrated and again I'm not a fan of negotiations. I don't think they're going to go anywhere. So I'd like him to continue with this campaign targeting the IRGC and partner with our other allies, the Israelis and others who can go after not only the IRGC but their surrogates and all their elements of power. So I think he's on that path. I'm hoping he's going to stay the full course.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What do you think? I mean, I don't know. I know you can make a phone call and find out but right now we might be attacking as we speak multiple locations inside Iran. I know we went to school over the last eight weeks and as they dig at their launchers they are now targets those launchers and we see what they're adjusting but we understand they're also transporting military equipment back and forth through Pakistan. So they've been trying to arm up again. Admiral, who, who made the most of their cease fire time?

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

Well that's to be seen yet. But yes, they were each side prepared for this and I believe we're much better prepared than they are. And the real indicators is you're seeing more and more protests in Iran, more happening Iran. So the pressure on the government in Iran is just overwhelming and the more we strike, the more that's good build. So I don't think Iran's, they've been able reposition some assets, maybe some supplies. But I think at the end of the day we have overwhelming force and again we haven't brought the whole force to bear on this thing. So I think at the end of the day the president's in a strong position and I think this gives him the ability to increase pressure on the regime and send signals to the Iranian people that we're committed to an end state without a government that's going to threaten its regions and the other countries in the regions and start.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So it looks like the Iranians are claiming we hit their. A water facility, but we said we hit their radar. We've hit radar, different areas of their radar. We want to begin to blind them. Radar facilities. The Iranians said that we hit two water reservoirs. So we'll see what happens because they're already running out of water.

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

Well, you're exactly right. Both of those are critical targets. And the president can go down both those lines, continue hitting all the. The military targets, but also hit all the targets that continue to strangulate the people that will force them to come to the streets. So those are both components. I don't know which strategy they're doing. And you can't believe anything the Iranians have said. That's been standard for many years. So in both of those cases, if you hit water reservoirs, if you hit lines, roads, that further isolate and make it difficult for the people, Iran, much less the regime, to take pain their forces, feed their people, that's going to force this thing to turn internally, which is really the end state. We'd all like to see if internal change is driven by the Iranian people because they can't survive with this regime. That's just as satisfactory and less impact to the other Gulf nations, much less our forces in the region. So I think both of those are sound strategies.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Admiral, the difference right now is we're attacking them and the Internet's up. So do you think the people of Iran can communicate with each other and maybe coordinate. You mentioned protests over the weekend. I did see some stuff on X. How prevalent were they?

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

I don't have the details. I've seen a lot I'm hearing from my Iranian friends in the country are very anxious to see this played out on their behalf. So, again, I think these are indicators of how bad it is in Iran and the real opportunity, opportunity to drive enduring change in the country and get rid of these guys who have been murdering their people, but more importantly, failing them as a country. While you've got Hezbollah, Hamas, ready to go to arms, all the money that took that was not directed at building the countries, putting in adequate water systems, putting in energy sources. And if we continue to attrit that, that will only accelerate that threat internally to the government. So, again, I support both of those strategies to be applied simultaneously.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So what else would you hit? If they said we Got to come up with targets, because I guess a good day is 400 targets a day. What felt undone for you eight weeks ago?

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

The personal, the IRGC. I would identify every one of them. Leadership down to the most tactical level. I would target their interests. So you have the military, you have the infrastructure. But let's go after the guys who in charge, not only kinetically, but as you said, with the Internet identifying everyone, put out where they live, offer bounties on them. Let's just crank up the pressure on the guys who have been murdering their countries and holding this country hostage for 47 years. So target them and go after them.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So the other thing I want to get you, because I never really talked to you about this, is Ukraine. I was really struck. I was really struck by how much progress has been made through drone technology and their willingness to fight. And the Russians seem unprepared. Kiev has picked. Has grabbed back 230 square miles so far this year. So this was the year that people thought Kyiv would fall. Instead, it's Moscow that's getting hit by Ukrainian rockets that they're making themselves. St. Petersburg and other areas. This is a remarkable turn of events, isn't it?

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

Right. It's again, another indicator of how innovative the Ukrainians have been, how their industry has accelerated their pace in developing and using drones. Look, we have these $20 billion aircraft carriers with F35s that can strike, but they're using thousands of drones, masses of drones at tactical and operational levels to hold off Russia. And Ukraine has basically no air power, so they're able to fend off one of the great superpowers because of these tactical, kinetic, and mass use of drones, and now expanding that into their operational, which is farther reach, more strategic targets throughout. So it really indicates to you how powerful drone warfare is going to be. And hopefully not just to win wars, but hopefully to deter wars. And we're no different. Would you rather have a bunch of F35s right now, or would you rather have 3,000 Tomahawks ahead, 5,000 drones to target all of Iran simultaneously? So it just shows this warfare is changing. And both Ukraine and Iran have demonstrated. The question is, how quickly can we evolve to match those capacities and capabilities with our defense industry?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Admiral Robert Harwood's with us now. He grew up in Iran, really, as a sense of what's going on there. Would you give Ukraine the license to build their own patriots? Because that's what they need. We only have so many, and they said if you give us a license, we could build them on our own. Would you do that?

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

Well, again, I would support that. And I think they may be able, as they did with their drones, to do it cheaper and faster than we have. So that's another aspect of this. If we leverage all the technical capability of Ukraine and others with these weapons systems, they'll be just as innovative and maybe improve the models we have now. So with our partners where we support each other's defense industries, we build technology that's better, quicker. We all benefit from that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Admiral, thanks so much. Truly appreciate it. This is a very fluid time and I think with the bombing coming, indications that I got from people close to the White House is going to happen throughout the day today unless something unforeseen happens. And at one point, if we're going to go back, we're going to call 1-800-Israel and go back to co managing this war. And now I would not want to be in Iran today.

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

That makes two of us. But I tell you, those 75 million Iranians who want this regime, they're on their roofs cheering for every strike and hit they see. And that's what I'm hearing from my friends in Iran.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Excellent. Who now have the Internet. Vice Admiral Robert Harwood, thanks so much. We're going to be back in a moment.

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

Thank you, Brian. Always good to be here.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You got it. Same here.

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[Graham Prattner]

I think the real answer here is we simply have to stop engaging in military operations against Iran. And in long term, I'll be entirely honest, I think we need to start pulling troops back from the region entirely. I mean we've, my entire life has been essentially defined by America's wars in the Middle East.

[Brian Kilmeade]

East.

[Graham Prattner]

And here we are almost 30. Well, really, if you look back at the Gulf War even longer and what has it really brought us? I mean we just get a mass amount of debt, spending a ton of taxpayer money, expending the lives and frankly the futures of a whole generation of young American men and women and bringing an immense amount of violence to civilization civilians in the region. I think long term, I mean I've never, no one's ever been able to explain to me what like fighting in Iraq did for the state of Maine. And I think the reason I was explained that to me is that it didn't do anything or at least nothing positive.

[Mike Pence]

Right.

[Graham Prattner]

And so I do think long term we really need to Be thinking about rearranging how we think about projecting power around the world in the region. But right now, I mean, the longer we engage, the longer we give. You guys were talking about it earlier. We give the Iranians the ability to control the temperature.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That's not true. The longer we engage. I would not. The talks, I agree with them on that. They're not going anywhere on the Middle East. Yeah, that's a point of view. I mean, those are the old fashioned debates. Oh, should we be in the Middle East? Do you think we should fight Iran? What about Iraq? Okay, what's really scary about Graham Prattner, who won one with 70% of the vote in Maine to be the Democratic nominee to go against Susan Collins, is the fact that he's a socialist, he's an isolationist on top of that. That and this guy basically said on Reddit, I'm a communist. And the reason why Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders and AOC are looking past everything that he's done personally being on that teen dating site Kick, we don't know a lot about that. Went out. Went on there. We know about his former girlfriends and the violence that came upon them. The locking into a bathroom for hours on end, the Nazi tattoo. You've heard it all before. But I'm. You could debate that.

[Scott Turner]

Go ahead.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You know you want to pull it out. But don't pretend that there was no reason to go into Iraq. You could go do that. It's not like George Bush says, you know what, I think we need to go into Iraq. I just feel it. No, there was a reason. And you got to. If you want to be critical. This is the question of Graham Platner. What would happen if Saddam Hussein was still in power today? The oil food program is gone. What would he have done? Can you look back on what he'd done in the past and foretell what he do? Yeah, pretty much. So you might say, well, good, he'll fight Iran. Probably wasn't gonna fight Iran. Probably more comfortable fighting us, but we'll see. So those are debates, typical debates. But what Graham Planner really did, is he able to overcome the fact that he has a horrible personal record, seems to be a horrendous individual lying about his past. Not even really an oyster farmer, so to say. Says I was on. On the sea, straightening myself out. He's not on the sea. He was on land as essentially a receptionist at a dockmaster. And he made $5,000 as an oysterman. Either we're out of oysters in Maine or he made it up here's. His victory speech last night. Cut 21.

[Graham Prattner]

If you believe, as I do, that we can change our politics and change our country, then you must also believe that people can change. And the reason I believe that is because I have lived it. And the reason that I have lived it is because of my wife.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. Problem is, up until last week, he was still on that kick site and read Mark Thiessen's column about what kick is. Yeah, I didn't know anything about it either. Most of the people are teenagers. What are you doing taking your shirt off on that site? And don't you think that Susan Collins is going to find out what else you put there? Not only would she have beaten him anyway, this is going to just put a nail in the coffin to the point where the Democrats might pull.

[Brian Kilmeade (Radio Intro)]

The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Mr. Altman, what do you think of the AI executive order that the president signed earlier today?

[Roger Zakheim]

I have not got to read the entire thing in detail yet, but from

[Brian Kilmeade]

my summary of it, it seems very good.

[Roger Zakheim]

I think having the government test models

[Brian Kilmeade]

early is an obvious first step. That makes sense. Now. Is Sam Altman talking about a modification to Mythos that's gonna be a little bit more under control. What is Mythos? Put it this way, it's so powerful, it freaked out everybody at the White House and intimidated a lot of people in Silicon Valley and those pioneering it. And we. We just know it's the wild frontier right now, and we're in a race against China. We're in a race against each other. All these companies are looking for the less, you know, the. The best pathway and find out, is it chatgpt, is it perplexity, and who's leading the charge? And by the way, are these companies going public soon? Because you seem to be driving the network. Arun Gupta joins us now. CEO of Noble Reach foundation and the sole nonprofit founding partner of the White House's US tech force alongside Apple, Microsoft, Nvidia, and OpenAI. And author of the book the Mission, the Mission Generation, Reclaim youm Purpose, Rewrite Success, Rebuild Our Future, which is a national bestseller. Arun, welcome. Brian.

[Arun Gupta]

Thank you for having me.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So what flipped everyone out about Mythos? Remember, you're talking to pedestrians here, not insiders.

[Arun Gupta]

I think it was the ability to so pervasively and the breadth of being able to penetrate networks that were even classified that we thought were protected. And I think it put a pause on folks about, like, we need to take a step back and really look Hard at how we. Part of this is how do we bring in the right talent inside of government to make sure we are protecting the networks the way we need to.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, I mean, I understand there's a lot of open positions now on the cyber side.

[Arun Gupta]

Our big belief at Noble Ridge has always been as much as people talk about technology and they talk about policy, I mean, the rubber hits the road, Brian, with, with talent. And we need to be able to create pathways to get our top talent coming into government. And that's really been the focus of what we've been doing at Noble Reach is creating those pathways for our top tech tal. Currently, less than 6% of tech workers are under the age of 30. Think about that, Brian. Like that. No, no tech company would operate that way. And so we need a flood of this new talent coming in. And we're proud of the work that we've done thus far and are now collaborating with techforce to scale this across government.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Why is that? Why is people not coming? Why are so few young people involved in something that involves so many, so many people coming up, knowing that theoretically they adjust the quickest, they understand the most because they live it. As opposed to turn. To have to turn to learn

[Arun Gupta]

is the absolute right question to ask. And I think part of the reason is government and how we've. We've been selling careers, we've been selling 30 year careers. And what we're selling or really, you know, as we're recruiting is more two to three year tours of duty. A 30 year career for a young person right now feels like a really tough choice to have to make. The idea of being able to come in for a few years and really have real impact ends up being meaningful. So we say government builds career, students are buying experiences. Second, what we're also able to show the government folks is people can come in for a couple of years and have real impact. There was a time when projects were five year projects. Now they're two month sprints. And we have examples of that of our scholars. One that just got a commendation medal at the Department of Navy after only being there for 18 months for the work that he's done around AI and what they're doing at the Navy.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Navy, pretty impressive. So Mythos came out with a modification that's supposedly making people who feel a bit better about it. Could you talk about that?

[Arun Gupta]

Yeah. So, I mean, you know, the modifications that they're bringing out now are enabling people to feel like they have more control on. On the situation, which is something that they were worried about before. And so and on top of that, it gives time to be able to get the right talent in place at a lot of the agencies as you've talked about about.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So you do you mention people, people are really worried about jobs. And then listening to others say, well, for example, if you're a coder, work with you work with AI in order to be more effective as opposed to AI will code for you. Could you tell people how AI you can work with AI without creating your eventual replacement?

[Arun Gupta]

Yes. Look, I'm by nature having been a venture capitalist before, I'm an optimist, but I've also seen technology transitions take place. And so I think tasks will get automated, but jobs will get redefined. So as coding comes in, the idea of how you design is where you spend more of your time and focused. As other tasks get automated, your ability, think healthcare as those get automated, your ability to spend more time with the patient and understanding what the issues are. So it opens up more time for both creativity, design and also empathy and customer relationships in a way that I think right now we're not spending enough time on that in these kinds of jobs.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, so I want you to hear what Sam Altman said about safety.

[Arun Gupta]

What are your concerns about AI developers

[Brian Kilmeade]

obtaining approval from the US Government?

[Roger Zakheim]

My understanding of the current EO is not that it's approval, but it's early testing. But I think as these models get more powerful, there will need to be increasingly strong frameworks to ensure that we can meet the safety guarantees we want to meet.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Do we have the type of people that would fully understand what a guy like Altman, if he comes in and says ChatGPT is now evolved to this point. Does Rune Gupta and others have people that will understand where he's going with this? So they can't try to, if they try to pull the wool over your eyes, for example, if you have that 30 day guarantee to review challenging products,

[Arun Gupta]

I think that talent's coming in and I think it's available and I think they feel that we're in a moment right now, Brian, like a Freedom Forge moment. A moment whereby like right before World War II where we brought in our best manufacturing expertise against our adversaries. We're in that moment right now where we need to bring in our best technical expertise to work inside of government. We're not only seeing this in early career level, we're seeing mid career and late career folks also interested in getting involved. And I think that talent is available now in a way that wasn't available before, the talent was always there. It was. The pathways to get them in weren't available. And I think those are now being done.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I mean, you got huge background checks that take a long time and people have so many approvals. But you as a working on the side, can you hire people at Noble Reach foundation and have them work with the government and you guys work as an entity, or do they have to be direct government employees?

[Arun Gupta]

We're placing them inside of government.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You're placing them. Okay, yeah.

[Arun Gupta]

So the agencies are. These are. These are federal employees. We're also doing this at state and local levels. But we're not only placing them, then we're supporting them while they're in with mentors on the outside, skill development and building a community. And what we're also able to find is that we could use authorities. A lot of the extended hiring authorities that you're talking about are for permanent hires. And what we're doing is bringing people in for interim hiring years, which are authorities that exist for one to four years. So there's an accelerated way to get people in the door as we see the surge of need right now.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. When you saw that booing that was taking place when on the commencement addresses, when I was brought up by the commencement speakers, you understood it.

[Arun Gupta]

I did. I absolutely did. Because I do feel that many leaders are being irresponsible with how they talk about AI. They talk about it as a panacea, that it's going to take over your job, you won't have to work again. And what they're missing is that there's a dignity in work that people feel. And when they say that to people, they're feeling, they're hearing fear, not a world that they want to be part of. So really talking to them about how it creates new opportunities for them, how there's an entrepreneurial renaissance and the opportunity for them to now have agency around what they're doing, the ability for them to move across careers. You know, a leveling playing field is what AI provides in a way that we haven't had before. But people aren't talking about it that way. They're talking about it being the omnipresent that's going to take this sense of job away from you. As if people want their jobs taken away.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. And by the way, Bernie Sanders had a great idea. He thinks that since you're taking human beings knowledge and making AI smarter, now that's smarter than us, he thinks that we should all have stock or I

[Mike Pence]

think he believes, and I believe that there needs to be international cooperation. That whether it's China or in the

[Brian Kilmeade]

United States that comes up with something

[Mike Pence]

that could threaten humanity, doesn't matter. It's going to impact everybody.

[Brian Kilmeade]

As you may know, a couple of

[Mike Pence]

months ago, we brought some Chinese scientists

[Brian Kilmeade]

to sit here on TV to talk

[Mike Pence]

with American scientists about how we can work together. I think Mr. Pope and believes that as well.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You think he does, and I don't think so.

[Arun Gupta]

No, I don't. And look, I think what we're missing here is that there's a real sense of purpose and meaning that people are looking for in the work that they're doing. And if we reframe this as an opportunity to bring that purpose and meaning into the work that you're doing, as opposed to. You know, for decades now, five, six decades, we've been building our careers based on prestige markers, the institution we're part of, or the job title we're seeking. That's getting disrupted, Brian. And that's why people are feeling uncertain, but we're not showing them that. Like, look, if you think about what problem do you care about? Like, that should be the question we should be encouraging all Americans to be thinking about. And then how do you build your career around those problems? There will be disruption going forward, but stability is the new risk. And the more we try to get people back to kind of embracing the stable environment, the more uncertain. I actually think we're sending them down a riskier path. Path, like having them embrace kind of this notion around, like, what problems do you care about and how you can be part of solving that across very different domains. That will be an energizing force if we can help people get across the finish line here.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's just so strange to me that young people are usually the ones who grab the iPhone out of your hand and say, come on, how do you not know this? How do you not know how to do X, Y and Z? Or how do you not know what generation your phone is? Here we are with AI, and the stats say that people over 40 are more open to it than people over 20. So that's what's different about this.

[Arun Gupta]

Very much so. This is an important point, Brian, and I'm really glad you brought it up, because, you know, as much as we talk about winning the AI race as about developing technology, the truth is it's really about adoption of technology.

[Roger Zakheim]

Right.

[Arun Gupta]

And if we look at kind of how our adversaries, how AI polls in those environments. Environments, it's 80% optimism. And if we look at where it polls in the US it's 40% optimism. There's more people pessimistic about it. And we need in part, a large part of that is we haven't really developed a narrative for young folks around how this enables them to create a whole new type of career. And what I try to say is that, look, my dad had one job for 40 years, I had one career. I stayed in my lane with multiple employers. These kids are going to get to have four to six careers, years over 60 years. And that means that, you know, being able to shift across that will be enabled by AI, because AI is going to go after IQ over eq, it'll go deep in domain things. But all those human qualities will become what's really important now. The experiences you have, your, your curiosity, the relationships you build, the trust, capital in the mission and purpose you have. But we're not talking about it that way right now.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The one thing I have, Arun, I don't know if you thought about it. And by the way, I talked to Arun Gupta, the CEO of Noble Tech Foundation. He put out an ad, an ad for tech and finance inside and professionals inside federal agencies, and he got over a thousand applications. Before I ask you the question, can you still apply?

[Arun Gupta]

Yes. We're going to be doing another. We're opening up another cohort here in August for the winter, and then we're going to be doing another one in October for the following year. So we're seeing demand both now on the agency side because they see how it works and how these young folks coming in. I mean, we have scholars that are now leading AI efforts at the fda, at Navy, at Treasury. And so when people see that this is the kind of impact you can have in a short period of time. But the more important piece, Brian, is that those young folks are telling their friends, I'm getting to work on the hardest problems at the largest scale with the greatest impact. This is way better than going to like, you know, your typical recruiting place coming out of school, whether it be your finance consulting or big tech place,

[Brian Kilmeade]

and you're your former service. Maybe you might be of a higher starting salary, but man, the reward of helping out the government and the contacts you make are phenomenal. Lastly, just when it comes to education

[Arun Gupta]

on that point, Brian, if you don't mind, it's not only form of service, we're really telling them that it's also a way to enhance your career opportunities. Yeah, because when you come out of service, you know, we've got those firms that you Talked about those 30, you know, top tech firms, they all want to hire folks like this because they represent the kind of talent that they want to be bringing into their corporation.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Got it. I worry about education because it's such a shortcut. Hey, avocado, you know, come up with a, you know, do a composition or write a paper on X, Y and Z. Man, that takes me two seconds. And then people have a great way of masking it. And then not only that, to lose, lose. Teachers are wondering what am I doing? And the kids don't learn anything. So we thought it was different with the iPhone and the iPad and we didn't knew that we some I wasn't aware that it's so much better to write things and to type things. I didn't know it's better to write old fashioned style for me to learn. So no one knew that. So I think we just wanted that, honestly. But AI, we know for a fact I could go on ChatGPT and I could find out exactly the history of the space program. If that's my assignment, I got it. Change a few words. I got myself an A. So how do we deal with that around? I'm not saying that you had to tackle that, but is that something that we should be looking at in the Department of Education?

[Arun Gupta]

Look, I think the way to deal with it is by acknowledging that AI is here and how do you incorporate it into the education process? I think college is saying you can't use AI is setting kids up for failure when they leave college. If you look at Alpha School, Joe Lamont and some of the work that he's doing there, they've created an AI native charter school, that school, the private school, they're able to show that they're able to get the same test scores with two hours of schooling, academic schooling, every day. And the rest is based on really spending time on those life skills that are going to be incredibly important. I think that it requires a reinvention of how we think about education. But I look at Alpha School as an example of something that, you know, is the art of the possible of what you can go do if you can. And I think the hard part is going to be the institutions are going to be the slow ones to adapt to this. I mean we're going into a world now, Brian. And you know, we're in our 250th right now and our founding fathers created this amazing system based on a declaration of independence, right? And that has taken us to where we are today. But now I think you know, with AI, with what's going on geopolitically, what we're seeing, the sense of people looking for purpose. This is the opportunity for the mission generation to build a system of interdependence. Because I think it's that interdependence that's going to be incredibly important if we're going to solve the problems that you're talking about. We need tech folks coming into government and feeling like they can come back out and then come back in or go to education sector. You know, we need. We need that fluency. And instead we've created systems where people go into one of these sectors and stay there for 30 years. And so I think enables us to break that down.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, the name of your book is the Mission generation. Reclaim your purpose, Rewrite success, Rebuild our future. Arun Gupta, this has been a great conversation. Thanks so much, Brian.

[Arun Gupta]

Thank you for having me. I really enjoyed it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Thank you. Back in a moment.

[Brian Kilmeade (Radio Intro)]

Learning something new every day on the Brian Kilmeade Show. He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Kilmeade.

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

We're all excited here. Everyone in New York is rooting for the Knicks.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Almost everyone. Abuse that's piling up online for Elmo.

[Arun Gupta]

After he tried to be neutral about the NBA Finals, a Sesame street star

[Brian Kilmeade]

posted, Elmo hopes both teams have fun.

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

You kidding me, Elmo? Today, Sesame street is brought to you by the letter B for you're a bitch. Surely Elmo's fellow New Yorkers responded to his wavering with our trademark grace and understanding.

[Brian Kilmeade]

New Yorkers didn't like that.

[Arun Gupta]

They unleashed some fury on him, blasting

[Brian Kilmeade]

Elmo as a traitor, telling him to pick a side.

[Mike Pence]

The city's transportation department even threatened. Don't make us take this down, bro.

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

Happy Elmo. You're gonna make the New York Department of Transportation leap into action and take that sign down 10 to 12 years from now.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Pretty funny. I watched the whole thing. It was pretty good. Yeah, it was good. Yeah.

[Ian O'Connor]

I'm glad he took on Elmo.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yes, he did. And then he went to the game. So he did have a show. Oh, did you see him at the game? No, they showed him at the game. They show all the celebrities. They'll show them on camera or them like Derek Jeter making a bunch of great plays. Then they show the guy. It was unbelievable. They had so many celebrities there, they had to just put them into groups. But you were first, right?

[Roger Zakheim]

You know what?

[Brian Kilmeade]

I might have missed mine. You know, I might have been in the bathroom when I was on or that big security. Could you find out if I was mentioned? Thanks.

[Brian Kilmeade (Radio Intro)]

From high atop FOX News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmeade, everyone.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So glad you there's the Brian Kilmeade show coming your way. Ian o', Connor, standing by columnist at the Athletic six time New York Times bestseller. We'll break down what's happened with the World Cup. Of course it's going to be eight games here, but there's going to be 104 around the around North America. You got Mexico, most of the games are here and then you got Canada to the team have basically arrived. Former vice president Mike Pence will also be here. He'll be here via Zoom. He's got a brand new book out called what Conservatives Believe. And he also believes the president's not a traditional conservative. And I think we all agree with that. Before I get to Ian, let's get

[Scott Turner]

to the big three.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Number three. See the way those Knicks fans acted yesterday last night after the loss riots at Bryant park, beating up spurs fans, beating up each other. Oh, it broke my heart. Dave Portnoy a barstool. New York fans, not the team, are embarrassing the city with their violent behavior outside the arena attacking cops and spurs fans, literally beating them up because they're wearing a jersey. That's not sports. That's not passion. That is criminal. They better straighten their act off out. And we'll continue to preview game four. And this is the pivotal game of the series, no doubt out number two.

[Graham Prattner]

It's why we won last night with a huge margin. And it is and we're just going to continue to do that. I'm going to continue to go out all over the state of Maine. I've held 83 town halls the past eight months. Susan Collins hasn't held one since I was in eighth grade.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Oh, wow. That's why I like Graham Platner. He's just there's nothing in his background that really be be of I be averse to primaries results from Tuesday. Yet we have it. No surprise he won in California. We are finally getting them in the mayor's race and the governor's race has been determined. We'll try to explain it. Number one, I just spoke with President Trump. And following the US Strikes against Iran overnight and the Iranian missile attacks against US Forces in Bahrain, Kuwait and Jordan, the president tells Fox News he may keep going and that he is to going getting closer to the targeting of Iranian power plants and bridges. That is where we're at and we're exchanging blows. This is as close as we got to full blown war since the war went on pause. And that was Trey Yings reporting on Fox and Friends with us this morning. And we will get just to update you real quick on that. We had an Apache helicopter that was tracked down by a drone. Thankfully it didn't explode. They were able to. The chopper did go down. Both pilots survived, arrived next. We answered by going after them in four separate waves, all of which were successful. There were 21 straight hits. They in turn hit four of our bases. One in Bahrain, one in Kuwait. They took a shot at us over in Jordan. It looks like they had a hit on our 5th Fleet over in Bahrain, but nothing serious. And the President says, okay, I've had enough. I might be ratcheting this up to go back to war and just update you. We did get a bad inflation number at 4.2% and the markets responded by being down 467 points. We're still over 50,000. Now let's talk about the fun stuff. Ian O' Connor joins us now. Ian, your thoughts about game four and what we learned about the spurs and Knicks.

[Ian O'Connor]

Oh, what we learned about game three?

[Brian Kilmeade]

I should say, I should say my apologies.

[Ian O'Connor]

Yeah, no problem. Brian. Game three told you that the Knicks are not playing the Atlanta Hawks, Philadelphia 76ers or Cleveland Cavaliers anymore. This is a different animal. The spurs, they are a 62 win team. A franchise of course, with five NBA championships. The first one at the expense of the Knicks. The last time the Knicks were in the finals in 99. And when you have a 7 foot 4, 7 foot 5 megastar in Wembanyama along with a lot of other good players. This is a, this first team is a very serious threat that has to be dealt with for the Knicks to win their first championship in 53 years.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Here's how the last moment sounded. Cut as a Met. The Knicks tried to get within 2 and weren't able to cut 45. Come on y'.

[Scott Turner]

All. Really, it's not.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I'm sorry. Cut 46, Stefan Castle.

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

Huge free throw here.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Oh, so clutch for Castle. The Knicks will use their final timeout. That makes it a four point game.

[Arun Gupta]

Looks like I'm gonna lob it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Nope. And another corner. Three fires away. Shots no good.

[Mike Pence]

And the spurs win.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What a response from San Antonio.

[Mike Pence]

They do it again.

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

An inspiring road win.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And they are right back in the series. The Nick lead Cut two games to one. There were so many challenges at the end. I Think the spurs. Every time the Knicks run a minion where they would immediately call a timeout, they wanted to stop the long runs the Knicks had gotten throughout the playoffs.

[Ian O'Connor]

Yeah, I remember at the beginning of the Cleveland series, the Eastern Conference finals, the Cavaliers head coach Kenny Atkinson said, we have to halt the Knicks momentum. And the Knicks have been like a freight train through these playoffs, of course, the 13 straight victories. And I think it took the spurs three games to halt their momentum and just make it a series now and put some series pressure on the Knicks tonight in the Garden. Knicks lose this game and all of a sudden the spurs are back in control of the series because it's a best of three at that point with the series at 2:2 and the spurs would have two of the games at home. So this is a very, very critical game. I think the Knicks, in my mind, win this game and still hold on to control of this series. But the spurs have some confidence now, so they're an even more dangerous opponent.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So just on the game itself, before we get into some of the violence surrounding it, victim Webign Yama really took a shot at, at Jalen Brunson and he seemed to have gotten away with it. They reviewed it and said it wasn't going to be upgraded at all. Here he is saying about the difference in this game. Cut 47 7. What was better tonight about the late game execution, less mistakes, more control. Said that Game 2 was going to fuel you. How did it fuel you tonight?

[Graham Prattner]

I mean in the way we see.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's the little things.

[Admiral Robert Harwood]

We were more serious, you know, with

[Graham Prattner]

less mistakes, last turnovers.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's, it's, it's a whole. Think he was better.

[Ian O'Connor]

He was better. He didn't throw the ball away in the end like he did in San Antonio, which was really a not unforgivable mistake for a young player, but, but one that ultimately could end up costing them this series. That game was there to be won by the Spurs. But yes, he was better and obviously better at the rim. The lob dunks, those are things that they need from him to win this championship. And yeah, Wemby is. We've never seen anything like him. Brian, obviously you and I have seen a lot of great big men over the years in the NBA, but somebody with his kind of skill to be able to make a three point shot from Steph Curry range to do what he can do inside. And what I didn't know about him was he has that killer mentality. And of course I mean that in a positive way. I Had not seen enough of him to either know that one way or the other. But the hard shove of Brunson to the back of the head, that should have been upgraded to a flagrant one in my opinion, although I don't agree with Mike Brown, his attempt to blame the referees after game three, I think the spurs outplayed the Knicks won the game fairly and squarely. But that call in the first half should have been made and I do think the league should have upgraded it to a flag one. The reason they didn't in my opinion is because it wasn't called a foul on the floor. One and two, they don't want to put Wendy in a position where the next flagrant after that he's suspended for a game. They the league wants absolutely no part of that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, I guess we'll see. What about Josh Hart and how he was knocked down by cornet net and the fact that they called a foul on heart?

[Ian O'Connor]

Hey, listen, you know this is a become a physical series and I think this Knicks team, Brian, is better than all the 90s teams I covered as a columnist for different outlets. However, those 90 teams, those 90s teams were very physical and I think that the Knicks need to bring that tonight and the spurs have brought it now and they have a team that is not afraid of contact for sure. And I think the Knicks have shown they're not either, either. But I think somebody putting a body on Wemby tonight, not to hurt him or anything like that, but just to early in this game establish some toughness and physicality on the Knicks side of it, whether it's Josh Hart or it's coming from OG Anunoby or somewhere else. Landry Shamit blasted Harrison Barnes in game one in a really nasty box out. I think that's the kind of play the fans, the city and everyone else expect from the Knicks tonight, particularly early in the game.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I don't know if you saw what happened, Ian outside. You know, I went to a game, you worked it. So I went to the game just a fan. It took me 90 minutes, maybe more to go two blocks. I've never seen such ridiculous security. Four magnetometers, cops just standing there. Then on the way out was even worse. President was there, but they said they're going to mimic it again, torturing fans, fans having gone through that. But there were people there that weren't fans. They were there just to create havoc and some of them were just beating up anybody with a Spurs jersey. Here's Carl Anthony Townsend with the message about the to the fans about the fighting cup. 43.

[Scott Turner]

Carl, there's been some viral videos online with spurs and Knicks fans getting into altercations in the streets. What is your message to NBA fans on being passionate about the NBA game, but also keeping respect for one another? I mean, the game.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The game is built off respect and passion. You know, we want everyone to respect each other. We want everyone to enjoy basketball at its purest state. I mean, it's the NBA finals. There's no better place to watch basketball. So, you know, leave the physicality to

[Graham Prattner]

everyone on the court.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Your thoughts about what's going on?

[Ian O'Connor]

Well, I was in San Antonio for the first two games, and I have to say, the people there seem very welcoming of all New Yorkers. They were Knicks fans wearing Knicks jerseys and hats everywhere. The Riverwalk near the Alamo, you name it. Brian. And I don't know about you, but I did not hear or see any. Any problems that were created by spurs fans and the way they treated Knicks fans. I think that New Yorkers should return the favor. I know we're talking about a very, very small percentage of Knicks fans who. Who did some of these things, but you need to show common decency and respect. And attacking somebody for their fandom, a jersey they're wearing is. I said unforgivable before. That really is unforgivable.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What about the watch parties? Ian? Ian, the watch parties are getting out of control.

[Ian O'Connor]

Yeah. And I think, I believe tonight there. There'll be a limited ticketed watch party.

[Roger Zakheim]

Right.

[Ian O'Connor]

That's what the mayor wants. And the. The Garden, of course, was pushing back against the cancellation of the watch parties. The. But there is a fine line there. Right. You want fans to really enjoy this, savor possibly the first championship in more than half a century. But there needs to be some decency and some control there. And, yeah, I think it had gone over the line. And certainly any attack on an individual wearing a Spurs jersey is just absolutely absurd and can't happen again. And so that needs to be policed.

[Brian Kilmeade]

What about the price of tickets? There's nothing to be done about. Are you amazed at how much people are paying? Thing.

[Ian O'Connor]

Yeah. And to sit and imagine if you were a Knicks fan who paid, I don't know, $9,000 to sit up at the top of the building to watch them lose.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Take you two hours to get in and out.

[Ian O'Connor]

Yeah, exactly. You know, and I can. When the president United States is there, I can live with that. I'm not sure how other. Of course, I'm working, so it's A little different. And I didn't pay to get in the building, so it is. That's a lot different. Different. But I'm surprised they're doing that again tonight with the President not there, but apparently they are. And once you're in the building, listen, I think that certainly the Knicks just got outplayed. That's the reason they lost. And tonight, hopefully for Knicks fans, it's a different story.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. Here's what the president going. President Love going. I'm not sure how he's reviewed was mixed. Charlemagne, the guy, everyone's blaming him that the Knicks lost. Here's what Charlemagne, the God said. Cut 41.

[Charlemagne the God]

Donald Trump wasn't responsible for the loss of the game, but he was responsible for the loss of joy that the New York Knicks fans had been feeling. One of the greatest things about this whole playoff run, this finals run, is watching the joy that Knicks fans have. I've never seen anything like it in New York City. Okay? Not for the Yankees, not for the Giants. There's nothing like when the Knicks are winning. And Donald Trump came here yesterday and so suck the joy out of the city.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I don't think so. And I was. That stadium was nuts. But you tell me, Ian, listen, I

[Ian O'Connor]

think his presence in the building certainly changed the dynamic early. But, no, he had nothing to do with them losing the game. And I also think that if the Knicks won, nobody would be talking really about his presence or impact on the game. And the joy would have been there, but they lost best. So there's no joy in losing. As I wrote today in the Athletic, losing sucks. And so that will. That will never change.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That was a great phrase, by the way, Ian. That's why you get paid the money. Right?

[Ian O'Connor]

I wrote losing sucks. It always has and it always will. So Candace Buckner wrote a column. She's an unbelievable columnist, and she wrote a column on that for the Athletic. I think it's a valid viewpoint. But to me, being in the building vibe was different early. But had they won the game, it wouldn't have made really any difference. And I think that it was interesting to be there with the President there. You knew, listen, 50% of the country's happy he's there. 50% is unhappy. The problem is, in a liberal crowd, like the Manhattan crowd, like you have at Madison Square Garden, it's not going to be 50, 50. So the reception he got to me was not surprising at all. Yankee Stadium, 9, 11. I was at that game that. That split was more like 50, 50, but in the Garden, it was not and. But I think he had to know that going in. And that's the response he. He received.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, I think it was mixed. Remind me of Tyson. When Tyson walked in the ring or walked out of the locker room, it just was loud. I'm like, wait, is he popular? Are they cheering? I never really got a sense after his first few bouts, he was such a spectacle. Like when they saw him, I felt like I just got unbelievably loud. And for people say he was booed loud in the spurs, that's not possible. The spurs were totally booed louder. And I thought the crowd was a real crowd. They weren't just rich people. They seem to be traditional Knick fans inside. Just as angry and a lot of blue collar. I don't know if they got good season ticket deals. What do you think the World Cup's going to do? We're about to kick off on Friday. On Thursday it'll. The US Team opens up on Friday. What do you think this event's going to be like over the next few weeks?

[Ian O'Connor]

I have no idea because I've never covered one and certainly here in the United States, I think it'll be a great sporting event. I think the country will embrace it, particularly if the American team does well and advances and maybe can get to the what I would call the Elite Eight or quarterfinals. I think that's a big part of it. If that doesn't happen, maybe the enthusiasm for it is diminished a little bit. But yeah, I think it'll be a wonderful event. I'm scheduled to cover some matches. I don't know how many, but I think that's. In fact, I was supposed to go to Brazil, Morocco, but instead I'll be in San Antonio. I didn't realize the Knicks were going to be in the NBA Finals for the first time in 27 years. So I think that my son is a huge Manchester City fan. I want to see Erling Holland play live. I'm scheduled to do that. And so really through him, I discovered a greater or found a greater passion for soccer years ago once he became a man City fan. And we watch them all the time. It's really his generation and your son's generation is the first, in my opinion, in this country to gather on the weekends to watch soccer. I had never seen that before in this country. So I think it's going to be an epic event that Americans will embrace.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Non soccer players are actually watching it and Ian, we should. Our sons were roommates in college and they're still, still in touch today. Ian, thanks so much. I look forward to seeing either at at MetLife or at Madison Square Garden. Good luck. Thanks so much, Ian.

[Ian O'Connor]

Thanks for having me, Brian. Look forward to it.

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[Brian Kilmeade]

All right. Welcome back, everybody. The president United States is talking about fixing the reflection pool, getting Washington, D.C. ready. Get him getting it ready for 250. And it's really going to kick into gear in next week or two. They're going to have that huge, I guess, salute to America. There's going to be opening up on the, on the Mall and then they got the UFC fight on Sunday. That's going to be great. And there's going to be things to do all weekend and hopefully people are going to D.C. i went to Boston over the weekend because we're doing this series on the oldest bars in America and I went to two of them in Boston. I'll tell you wherever you want. People were taking tours, whether it's the Boston Massacre or anything else. That's inspiring. They said the numbers are really up. People are trying to get into our history, maybe stuff they haven't or reforming what they learned in school. If you want to check me out in history library and laughs, go to Pensacola, Florida, July 11. It's a great place to go visit big military ad. Go to byronbrainkillme.com.

[Brian Kilmeade (Radio Intro)]

His mouth to your ears. It's Brian Kilmeade.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Welcome back, everybody. The president states signing a $70 billion funding bill price and CBP. This is criminal. They had to wait this long. This should have been about eight months ago. You know, they didn't like the crackdown on illegal immigrants in America. They didn't like Kristi Noem. And they decide we're going to fund the whole government. Do you realize they brought the budget through the normal budgetary process after the shutdown? They went through all 12 committees. They actually had a conference and they passed it. Then they said, we're going to deny border patrol and we're going to die. ICE any funding. So they passed it, left that out, and now they had to do a reconciliation bill to pass $70 billion on its own, which is going to fund it for the next two years. But should a Republican not win, ICE is in trouble and enforcement is going to be at risk. Risk. So that's what the president signing right now. And they had to through it, do it through reconciliation. You can do that because it's financially, because they're allowed to do it, because it has to do with finance. Joining us now, former vice president, good friend of the show, Mike Pence. He has a brand new book out called what Conservatives Believe, Rediscovering the conservative conscience. Mr. Vice President, great to see you again.

[Mike Pence]

Thank you, Brian. Thanks for having me on the Brown Kimmery show.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So one thing I have to say, out of everything you've seen and you always see the budget impasses, you've been through shutdowns before, for this is the craziest and the inconvenience was unbelievable to the American people.

[Mike Pence]

Well, it was characteristically generous on your part. It was incomprehensible at a time that we have troops in harm's way, at a time that the president has rightly deployed the armed forces against of the United States against the leading state sponsor of terror, that Democrats would actually hold up a bill funding homeland security. And I congratulate the president and the Congress for finding a way through the budget process to get it done today. It's signed, it's into law. But I expect the American people are going to remember this moment when election time comes around.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I hope so because the president's numbers on immigration aren't as strong as they were when he was with you and then afterwards. And one of the reasons is people say they don't like the idea of, of the crackdown element of it. They want illegals out, but they don't necessarily like the optics of seeing the crackdown. Do you believe the administration was too aggressive in Minneapolis and some other places?

[Mike Pence]

Well, look, we need to get dangerous criminal illegal aliens off the street. And the men and women of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, isis, it's known, are some of the most dedicated law enforcement officers in the country. But clearly, surely there were issues. There was tragedy. Anytime you have a police involved shooting is tragic, deserves a thorough investigation. But I want to give Tom Holman all the credit in the world by stepping in, engaging local and state law enforcement, not just in Minnesota, but around the country. And I think the reason why you hear less consternation apart from the radical left about immigration enforcement is because there was a course correction along the way. But I really do fully support the efforts of our border patrol securing the southern border and of ICE in making sure that our families and our communities are safe.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So in your book, what conservatives believe, immigration is something that conservatives have been rallied around. Crackdown on the border and make sure you're here legally Is there any give there for people that have been here 20, 30 years? You know, famously, Ronald Reagan made a mistake. He created asylum for everybody here. And Democrats promised they'd enforce the border. They never enforced the border, and we regretted it. But where do you stand when people, farmers who are the base of your party in many cases say, hey, I've had this family working for me forever. The paperwork's never been done, right? Is there any pathway for people that have been here and not broken the law?

[Mike Pence]

Well, before I get to that, thanks for mentioning my book. We came out last week with the book what Conservatives Believe. Because I believe that change is in the air in politics in America. The Democratic Party has been overrun by the progressive left that embraces socialism, embraced open borders and policies quite antithetical to American principles. But as you've reflected particularly, particularly with regard to foreign policy, Brian, there's also a new threat to the conservative agenda that's defined the Republican Party from Reagan all the way through the Trump Pence years. And that's from a populist right that would embrace isolationism, protectionism, marginalized values. And the populist right is often defined by grievances instead of solutions. And in my book, I talk about the importance of support for law enforcement from our neighborhoods to our borders. But also I talk about the fact, I think the four most powerful words in the Declaration of Independence are that all men are created equal. And Republicans have always been about the vision of America as a nation that embraces legal immigration. And look, I give President Trump's new administration all the credit in the world for securing our southern border as well as extending those tax cuts and taking the fight to Iran. But on this issue, I know that had we had a second administration together, that we were already planning to fix a broken immigration system and do it on the basis of merit, Brian, that's the governing principle here. With chain migration and the system that we have today, we don't have an immigration system that works for people that want to come here legally or a system that works for the American people. And so I think it's in need of reform, repair. We'll leave the larger issues of how that's sorted out for people that are here illegally. But I remind people that even during our administration together, President Trump put on the table an offer to regularize the status of so called dreamers who had been brought to this country illegally as children. I think there is room for progress here. Democrats, we know their solution is an open border, Brian, but conservatives owe principled solutions to The American people. And that's a lot about my book, what conservatives Believe is all about.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So let's just go over to foreign policy. You brought it up. And we're talking about Iran. It looks like we're gonna. We hit them in four separate waves. They came back and hit our bases in the Gulf states. And the president essentially made it clear that the talks aren't moving quick enough. We're gonna be doing something else. Indications are from people close to the administration that we could be hitting him very hard today. And a good day is 400 separate hits. You know, 400 strikes a day. Would you like to see us to go back to that, or do you want to see us continue to talk?

[Mike Pence]

Brian, I think President Trump's decision last year to strike nuclear facilities in Iran and to unleash the armed forces of the United States in Operation Epic Fury was historic. It was. It was timed, and it had to be done. And I personally want to commend you for your clarion voice on behalf of the president's leadership, as well as the extraordinary effort that our troops have done in the field in four months. They took down 13,000 military sites. Excuse me. For weeks, I will tell you, I believe they need to finish the job. I am. I am not surprised by the ongoing aggression by the mullahs in Tehran against our allies in the region. And now with an Apache helicopter going down, I know we struck back in a limited way, but I think the time has come for the president to do what he did. When we inherited the ISIS caliphate's remnants from the Obama administration, it was, believe it or not, it was that same general known as Raisin Cain, who was in the field in Iraq, who said to the president, look, this can either take years under the rules of engagement that Obama set up to defeat isis, or if you change the rules of engagement, we can get the job done in months. And they did. They took down the ISIS caliphate. I have no doubt in my mind that our armed forces can open that strait, can take down the offensive capabilities, capabilities of Iran, eliminate their ballistic missile program, and achieve peace and stability in the region on our terms. And I hope and I literally have prayed for the president and for our troops to be able to do just that.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, I just. I know they're going to hit our Gulf states, and the Gulf states are telling the president, hey, you know, try to talk this out, because we're not sure we can block these drones. They can handle the rockets, but not the drones. So the president's got to balance that out. Out, you know, plus the oil. You know, you saw inflation at 4.2% right now. Oil's up slightly today. In the market's down 500 points. When you're making decisions like this, does that all factor in?

[Mike Pence]

Well, it all factors in for a president. You know, I was, I was at the table when the president was being briefed on a decision to strike the head of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Qasem Soleimani. You weigh all of the, you know, the collateral consequences that could occur. But at the end of the day, as President Trump demonstrated in Operation Epic Fury and in Operation Midnight Hammer and during our years, he is a commander in chief willing to act and to allow the greatest military in the history of the world to prosecute our interest and the interests of our allies. And I think, think it's time. Look, will it be difficult?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Sure.

[Mike Pence]

But there's an old saying, Brian, that one. One does not make peace with one's enemy. One makes peace with one's defeated enemy. And by all indications, whatever remains of the Iranian leadership is not acting like they feel defeated quite yet. I think it's time for the armed forces of the United States to go in there and take down their military capability and really, I hope, create the conditions in the country for so many good people in Iran that have gone to the streets over the last 15 years, including earlier this year, to reclaim their freedom and their country.

[Brian Kilmeade]

No doubt about it. And let's say out of the 90 million, 89 million want freedom and some are getting paid by the government and don't want something different. I want to bring you to domestic politics. First off, Mr. Vice President, are you thinking about running in 28 and when would you make that decision if you were?

[Mike Pence]

You know, I don't have any aspiration to go back into active politics, Brian, as that Luke Combs song says, I think I flew that rocket about as far as it'll fly. I mean, my calling right now is simply to champion the conservative principles that drew me to the Republican Republican Party. You know, I'm one of those people that joined the Republican Party during the years of Ronald Reagan. And I, I didn't join because Ronald Reagan was a great communicator. I joined because he communicated great things. Commitment to freedom, to limited government, to a strong defense, to the right to life and traditional values. And as I write in in my new book, Our Administration Together and. And the new Trump administration has largely hewed to the that agenda. But the populist right has had some success. The stops and starts with Ukraine the introduction of price controls, nationalization of American businesses, of course, broad based tariffs. But beyond that, I think marginalizing the right to life as has occurred in this administration is deeply troubling to millions of pro life Americans. The advent of the abortion pill, the lack of action on that, you know, we were part of the most pro life administration in American history. But the populist right, in a never ending effort to embrace what they perceive to be popular, has prevailed on many in and around this administration to move on from that issue. But I think the cause of life is the calling of our time.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So there's a guy that's running, he wants to beat Susan Collins, who's much tougher than everybody thinks, keeps winning the last Republican in the Northeast. And his name is, his name is Graham Platner. So he has got a pass that it almost seems. I mean, he's not, he's not only a terrible candidate, seems like an absolutely terrible person. Appreciate his service. But when you walk out of your service and you have a Nazi tattoo, I don't know how much I appreciate it. And yet Democrats have stood by him. Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Ro Khanna, they all want to be. At least Ro Khanna wants to be president. Listen to his explanation after he won last night. Cut 27. I was up in Maine, there were huge crowds. I think the key issue today is the anti war platform. I mean, on a day we're retaliating against Iran, Graham Platner is running, saying, I served three tours of duty and I'm opposed to these foreign wars.

[Mike Pence]

And he's also going to take on Susan Collins in terms of being putting

[Brian Kilmeade]

Kavanaugh on the court and rolling back women's rights and cutting health care. And that's why he's resonating. He's also an avowed socialist who said at one point he's a communist. How is the do you think, how does this matchup going to go down?

[Mike Pence]

Well, as I said in my book, you know that for those 50 years, the contest between the conservative Republican Party and the Democratic Democratic Party was between conservatism and liberalism, a traditional liberalism. But today the Democratic Party is dominated by the progressive left, openly embracing socialism, electing a socialist and even communist mayor in the nation's largest city. And you know, I said not long ago I wrote the book because I think in some measure Republicans have lost their way, but Democrats have lost their way, their minds. And with regard to that candidate in Maine, look, I haven't always agreed with every stand Susan Collins has taken. She's she during our administration, during the new Trump administration, she, she charts her own course which has been very popular with people in Maine. But beyond all of the salacious allegations about Grant, about Graham Platner, I have to tell you that demeaning our troops, demeaning wounded warriors, as he's done publicly, and even ridiculing an American hero like Chris Kyle, the late American sniper, that universally admired in this country, I think speaks to a character that I honestly believe the people of Maine will make the right choice and send Susan Collins back to a Republican majority in the U.S. senate.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And it might be their only path to, to getting the Senate back would be to take Maine and they might have blown it by this guy then, who knows, they might even pull him back. Thanks so much. Appreciate it. Mr. Vice President. Congratulations on your book. It's called what Conservatives Believe, Rediscovering the Conservative Conscience. What a perfect Father's Day gift. Thank you. I hope to see you again.

[Mike Pence]

Thank you, Brian. Thanks for having me on the Brian Kilmate Show.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You got it. Back in a moment.

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[Brian Kilmeade]

So California's it looks like they got their finalists again, Xavier Becerra and Steve Hilton. It's taken two weeks. Two weeks. And now we have Fine. Shane. I said Shane Spencer. Spencer for Shane Spencer. Former Yankee Spencer Pratt is out, one of the most exciting candidates since Trump and really learned the issues and it's such a waste. And I'm not saying I know for sure that there was underhanded things going on, but just the fundamentals just lead to distrust by the process. Even Bashara said they have to cut the count of votes quicker. Listen to him. Cut 33.

[Ian O'Connor]

If we all voted a lot earlier

[Brian Kilmeade]

so that we don't end up having that big backlog at the end, it probably would help every county process the votes faster. Well, he just said he's a knucklehead because you want to vote earlier. How about a mail in ballot? Mail in ballots have to be in earlier and if they're not there by election day, they don't count. You make that rule. Steve Hilton that. Cut 34 for it's the same system that can't count votes, that can't build a train after 10 years and billions

[Scott Turner]

of dollars that can't clear the homeless after 24 billions of dollars spent that

[Brian Kilmeade]

can't get anything right. True. Don't forget One Nation is going to be Sunday at 10 o' clock and go to Brian kilme.com see me in Pensacola July 11th. And of course the Westbury Music Theater over in November in October. It's going to be great event Clearwater, Florida. Bill to be in Jacksonville, Florida as well.