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Brian Kilmeade
Final question, in order to get to that second phase, are you willing to release sanctions or release frozen money that the United States is withholding from Iraq?
Secretary of State (possibly Mike Pompeo)
Right now, everything that's been discussed with them is that any sanctions relief. Now, remember, sanctions come. There's international sanctions, there's congressional sanctions, there's executive sanctions. So some we can release and some we cannot. But any sanctions relief is condition based, which means it has to be in return for the reason why those sanctions were put in place in the first place, which is their nuclear program.
Brian Kilmeade
So that is Marco Rubio yesterday, the Secretary of State, national security adviser and historian, archivist, everything. So he is testifying now on the House side. And we'll play some more of that in a little while. But that was Chris Murphy surprisingly, somewhat asking a question that would actually move the story forward as opposed to just saying Donald Trump is losing this war. Martha MacCallum joins us now, anchor of the story that begins at 3:00 today. So, Martha, we're really in a holding pattern eight weeks in now to a ceasefire longer than the actual engagement. And last night there was a lot of fire back and forth. They're trying to get to us. We can't. So when they can't get to us, they go after one of the Gulf states and they hurt 64 her, 63 heard in Kuwait at the airport and it shut down.
Martha MacCallum
Yeah, I mean, it's very, I mean, I think it's a stretch to call this a continuing ceasefire at this point. We have a lot of kinetic action that's happening. The hit on the tanker and then these retaliatory hits that we saw in Bahrain overnight. I think Iran, from the beginning, everyone was surprised that Iran lashed out against these Gulf states. Right. Their neighbors. Why are they going after the Gulf states? They say they're going after US Bases in those places, but they're hitting, you know, civilians in the, in the Kuwait airport. Can you imagine if you were in Newark airport this morning and it got bombed? I mean, this is a huge deal. I think they're trying to calculate how to drag this out. They like this ceasefire arrangement at this point because it allows them to continue to try to lock down the strait. The longer they have this ceasefire in place, the longer their ability to kind of bake into the system. In the strait that you go through us and there's an app now to help you get through the strait. If you're a tanker ship and you want to basically apply to Iran and this is how much it's going to cost. This is when you're going to go through. This is your time. The longer we allow that to go on, the more normalized it becomes. And I think that's a big part of what they're trying to do here. And I think they continue to hit the Gulf states. They want the Gulf states, I think now to turn on the United States to say, you know what, this is too much. We can't deal with this. Why did you start this whole thing? I think we have to continue to look at the big picture. This is a 47 year regime that has attacked Americans over and over again. If someone doesn't put an end to their bully domination in the region, it will go on like this forever.
Brian Kilmeade
So I was talking to a higher up person and not the President, but talking to someone very close to the president last night. He said the blockade is working and working extremely well. Iran's trying anything and everything to break through. They're extremely frustrated. It's not. And when they don't get through like last night, that's what causes them to hit out at the Gulf states. They think in two months Iran has to come to the table. But the president doesn't feel like he has two months. But right now he's worried about $6 a gallon gasoline. And in the big picture, this person said, try to say to the president, no one's gonna remember $6. Gas. Gasoline. If you can break this regime.
Martha MacCallum
If you can break.
Brian Kilmeade
Yeah, if you can break the regime. And there's people close to the president, like the vice president that wants this to end tomorrow. Yesterday, I should say. And those are the people close to him and the people that could actually explain how it won't. Like Cooper. Admiral Cooper is not talking to the President every day. He's not in those meetings. The DNI Tulsi Gabbard was never in a meeting. She missed like 100 meetings. Not invited. While others were in there talking about what needs to go forward. And the president's listening to all of it and then deciding what to do. When he says multiple times he was close to just going back full bore. At the very last minute was a golf call or a call from an aide that changed his mind. So it's a really tough position the President is in right now. But I do think that people have to emphasize 13,000 strikes on their military infrastructure. 8,000 from the Israelis, 13,000 from us. You should keep in mind they cannot make ballistic missiles. A lot of their stuff is buried and damaged. And they don't have water. They only have two hours of electricity. Everyone's forgetting how much damage has been done to Iran already.
Martha MacCallum
I think it's a great point. And I think that, you know, the problem is that the only thing that the Iranian leadership cares about is the Iranian leadership. They'll figure out ways to get what they need to survive. I'm sure they have water. They don't care about the condition of the people in the country. But I think all of the things that you're pointing to have undermined and knocked the legs out from underneath this regime in a way that I think we all hope could lead. And I don't think people should give up on this could lead to an uprising of the Iranian people. And I sense the frustration that people have about why hasn't this happened already. A, they don't have weapons. B, that we haven't been able to supply anyone. The President doesn't want to supply the Kurds. He doesn't feel that they're a credible ally in this fight. But, you know, you look at the fall of the Soviet Union, for example, and I look at this from the big picture. I look at Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, you know, North Korea is always in that picture to some extent. But right now, those three places, it's like dismantling a form of the Soviet Union in the current environment, right? These are. These are enemies of the United States. These are places where they can harass us, undermine our other policies around the globe in the Middle East, South America. So I think that it takes time, and I don't think people should lose hope that this regime can topple and that there could be a better future for the people of Iran. And I hope the Gulf states can hang in there. I hope that that this constant barrage at the Gulf States, I think, is designed to wear them down, to make them nervous and to have them turn against us.
Brian Kilmeade
So there's reason to believe that we can hear everything Iran saying, and it's reason to believe that the Gulf states have playing both sides of the fence outside the uae. The UAE seems to be our closest ally in the area, but they've been. They spend. Their whole culture is horse trading. That's how they exist. Though we should not think we have a true friend in the area. And he said, also our NATO allies could be a huge help. He goes, if we just had two or three, England, France, we'd open up the straight in two seconds.
Martha MacCallum
Absolutely.
Brian Kilmeade
And the president's 100% right. And say, president goes, I don't need it, but we're not gonna forget it. I Think that's where the President's gonna go to the NATO summit? Yeah, I think he's gonna blast him. I want you to hear Marco Rubio yesterday about the Supreme Leader who's ultimately making the decisions, which is. This shouldn't make you optimistic.
Secretary of State (possibly Mike Pompeo)
Cut 25 talks with Iran are not like talks with Switzerland, okay? They're very different. They have agreed to negotiate aspects of their nuclear program that just a month ago, just a year ago, they were refusing to even mention, much less enter into discussions about. That is not a guarantee that ultimately it will lead to a deal. I think there are indications out there that he is increasingly engaging at some level, although all of his communications have been in writing and through intermediaries.
Brian Kilmeade
So we killed his father, we killed his wife, killed his kid, and. And maimed him. Yeah. How. And how interested in peace do you think this guy is?
Martha MacCallum
I don't think he's interested in peace at all. I think, you know, it's. Another president said in an interview with Miranda Devine that he. She asked, would you want to meet him? And he said, well, I have something to the effect. I haven't really thought about that, but, yeah, I guess I would want to meet him. And I think that's just the President indicating, as he has all along, that he wants to have open dialogue and he wants to talk to anybody. He wanted to talk to the leader of North Korea, Russia, China, all of them. But I think that it goes back to the point that you made in the beginning. We have to have a little strategic and national patience with this fight. You have to keep your eye on what is right, whether it's in Iran or whether it's in Ukraine. You have to have a steely spine. And the President, as you said before, Brian, he is in a very tight position between gas prices, American sentiment in this country, and the legacy issue of a real shift in the Middle east that would bethat. Would change the region, would change the region for generations, to have Iran out of the picture. So these are difficult decisions, but that's why people are nominated and elected to the presidency of the United States. It's a very, very tough job, and it a lot depends on his ability to see this through. I know a lot of people want him to finish the job, and I think there's a lot of arguments in favor of that.
Brian Kilmeade
So, Senator Wicker, not somebody who gets up every day saying, what does Donald Trump want to do? Senator Thom Cotton, obviously, Lindsey Graham, you have Senator Tillis finish the job. And I was saying to them, like, why don't you say that? You know, why is the president doing this by himself? If you really want him to finish a job? It would help if you found a microphone.
Martha MacCallum
Right.
Brian Kilmeade
And took on Chris Murphy and Cory Booker.
Martha MacCallum
Absolutely.
Brian Kilmeade
Who want to say we're losing? I go, why don't you come out and say it? And the president would like to know, you know, I'm doing the right thing. And they know he's doing the right thing. But if they get to November and they find a way to hold the House, even if they don't find a way to hold the House and Senate, and it'll be Titanic expert, if they lose, upset, if they lose that Senate, I believe he's taken them out. The midterms do matter. You can't pretend they don't matter. But he is. If they get to November and the memorandum of understanding is not in place or in place and being broken, all bets are off to a guy that the gloves are off to a guy that is not going to be back. You know, he's done one term and he's done after this, and he's gonna finish him off. And he wouldn't leave it for JD or the next Democrat who clearly won't do this.
Martha MacCallum
I mean, I think you're right. I just, I look at it and I think, you know, the president himself has said, I don't care about the midterms. I care about this larger issue. I'm not sure that you would see a far tighter situation in the House and the Senate if this war wasn't happening at all. I think even without this war, you have very tight battles going into the midterms. And I think a lot of it comes from anti Trump sentiment around the country. And I think you would see that playing out regardless. I just think when you look back long term, obviously you have to find a way to loosen things up in the strait. But I think that the changing of the guard in Iran in a meaningful way is something that would be an enormous, enormous legacy for this price.
Brian Kilmeade
As Mark Thiessen said. He said, look, If I'm paying $5 for gas, make it worth it. So get a win. So I'd rather not pay and not get the win or make it a gray area. When we come back, Jill Biden spoke out and was confronted with a passage from Kamala Harris's book. Martha MacCallum will come back, not only tell us what's on her show at three, but I want to get her feeling about Jill Biden's book. That really should Be on the fiction side of the library. Back in a moment.
Representative Burchett
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Representative Burchett
Just like you won't admit President Trump is losing this reckless war of choice. And just like you couldn't admit that the shoes the president bought you were too big, you clearly don't know what winning means, and not because the facts are unclear to you. It's because telling your truth, the truth would cost you your job. And the American people are entitled to a secretary of state who tells them the truth, even when the president doesn't want to hear it. And my constituents, our service members, deserve better. Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
Secretary of State (possibly Mike Pompeo)
I don't know what shoe she's talking about. What is she talking about?
Brian Kilmeade
Representative Burchett, you're recognized.
Secretary of State (possibly Mike Pompeo)
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If you'd like to answer any of that. I don't know about the shoes. I mean, he gave me some Florsheim shoes. They're actually pretty good. They fit fine. I don't know. I don't know what she's talking about. And maybe that's what she's referring to.
Representative Burchett
Your shoes look very nice today, Mr. Secretary.
Secretary of State (possibly Mike Pompeo)
How can you see them? They're way down here. We're talking about shoes. Are you guys kidding me? I mean, is this the Foreign Affairs Committee, or is this, like, a circus? What is this?
Brian Kilmeade
So you know what he's talking. So Martha McCallum's here.
Martha MacCallum
Good question. What? I mean, can you imagine people, you know, 50, 60 years ago in these forums having this kind of conversation? It's inane. It makes you wonder, like, how do these people get elected?
Brian Kilmeade
They're looking to. Well, he did it yesterday. Do we have that cut from yesterday, too? When?
Martha MacCallum
And we played it this morning about the TikTok. You're doing this for your TikTok video. It was Jackie, the senator from.
Brian Kilmeade
Yeah, I got it. Right. Yeah, it was Jackie. It was Jacob, not Jackie Jacobs. But where is that? Here we go. Jackie Rosen. Cut 29. Yeah. Cut 29. Yeah.
Martha MacCallum
This is why I was shocked to see that you were at a party with President Trump in Miami instead of accompanying Vice President Vance to Pakistan for negotiations.
Secretary of State (possibly Mike Pompeo)
What party was I at?
Martha MacCallum
I was at a party, publicly reported. And there's Photos there.
Secretary of State (possibly Mike Pompeo)
But what party? No, no, no, no. But you're going to say that. I'm going to answer it. I'm going to answer that question because that's an absurd statement. I was not at a party. Where I was is next to the President because in the midst of those negotiations, I was in communications with them. I know your staff wrote up this cute statement for your TikTok video, but it's not true and it's not real.
Martha MacCallum
Anyway, thank you. Right. So thank you. I just love that he's not letting this stuff blow by him. He's like, no, no, no, no. I'm going to answer your question, as stupid as it is, essentially. But it's so true. And I think social media is like, you know, I use it, we all use it. It's basically the downfall of society. And he's right.
Brian Kilmeade
Right. True. Or, you know, or, you know, you might see enough to want to see more. So Marco Rubio yesterday, but you're not gonna touch him. He is emerging as a true star of this administration. I mean, would. So it was pointed to me, if you wanna know what's going on when Marco Rubio is involved, think of it as something that goes well. And case in point is Venezuela. And number two is watch Cuba, because it is thoroughly a Rubio operation and he's doing it exactly like he wants to do it. They're letting him go. And the President, I don't explain, they're very different, but there's such a mutual respect between the two. And the first time I saw it, when he was senator on foreign relations, and he basically, Trump, who has just had a brawl with him during the primaries, said, you handle Central and South America. And he took the lead on all these things. And he's like, I cannot believe how much gravity the President's giving me to work here. And he's started making real progress.
Martha MacCallum
You know, I think the evolution of Marco Rubio has been extraordinary to watch. He was always very smart as a young man. He was elected very young. You know, watch him go through all of this process. I think one of the most difficult periods for him was when he was up there on stage with President Trump running for the nomination of the Republican Party. It was very rough and tumble. You know, talk about inning conversation. They got into, like, hand size and all that stuff that never fit him. Like, it always looked uncomfortable for him. And I think right after that, I think it's very interesting that he's the only person who was on that stage with him who has won the respect of the president in such a forceful way. And it's because he is deeply educated, very well read, he understands these issues. He's lived them. And you can see it in his own lived experience. There's nothing like watching our Secretary of State speak perfect Spanish in these environments and float back and forth between English and Spanish in that, in that environment when he's dealing with Cuba and Venezuela. So it's impressive.
Brian Kilmeade
So I want you to hear Jill Biden on the View, confronted with.
Martha MacCallum
Is this going to be not impressive?
Brian Kilmeade
It couldn't be. It couldn't be least impressive. Cut 38.
Jill Biden
In her book, she alludes to a much more fractured relationship between the Bidens and the Emhoffs. She writes that your family asked if she and Doug were loyal to your family. And she wrote that her husband Doug said, they hide you away for four years, give you impossible bleep jobs, don't correct the record when those tasks are mischaracterized. Never fight back when you're attacked, never praise your accomplishments. And then he added, and still they have to ask if we're loyal.
Brian Kilmeade
Yeah.
Jill Biden
How does, how do you respond to that?
Martha MacCallum
I never, I never saw that. I never felt that way with Kamala and Doug. I thought we were a great team.
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Martha MacCallum
Yeah, I mean, it's. I don't know.
Brian Kilmeade
We were thoughts about this.
Martha MacCallum
I think it's interesting. I think I'm glad that she's being. That these questions are being asked of her. I think it's interesting to watch her answer them. She seems to be caught off guard quite a bit.
Brian Kilmeade
Absolutely.
Martha MacCallum
Quite a bit.
Brian Kilmeade
Who's on your show?
Martha MacCallum
So we're gonna speak to Rebecca Heinrich about what's going on in Iran. We also have, I think, a great lineup for the California race, which we've been covering really closely. We're gonna talk to Kevin McCarthy and Billy Bush, who's been working closely with Spencer Pratt on this election. There's a long way to go there. They're gonna be counting votes for three weeks, so stay tuned.
Brian Kilmeade
Yeah, we see a solid second. I don't see, I don't see any way that she, I don't think that Rahman can close an eight point gap, but you never know. All right, we're going to watch you today at 3 o' clock and always keep it here in the Brian Kilme Show. Thanks so much for listening.
Episode: Martha MacCallum On Iran Blockade: "If Someone Doesn't Put An End To This Bully, It Goes On Forever"
Date: June 3, 2026
Guests: Martha MacCallum (FOX News Anchor), audio from SOS, Senators, and Representatives
Main Theme:
A deep dive into the ongoing Iran crisis, the Gulf blockade, U.S. and regional diplomacy, political division in Congress, and foreign policy leadership—with sharp commentary on the stakes for the White House and American public.
This episode focuses on escalating tensions in the Gulf region, specifically Iran’s aggressive tactics during a protracted “ceasefire,” the effectiveness of the U.S.-led blockade, and the challenges facing American policymakers. Martha MacCallum joins Brian Kilmeade to discuss Iran’s regional strategy, U.S. domestic and international political maneuvering, and the potential legacy implications for the current administration. There is also commentary on Congressional politics and leaders shaping foreign policy, concluding with lighter, yet pointed, remarks on the Biden family dynamic.
| Timestamp | Segment | |------------|--------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:00-01:15| Sanctions relief & intro to Iran discussion | | 01:15-02:56| Martha MacCallum on Gulf attacks, Iran’s strategy | | 02:56-04:40| White House’s outlook, blockade effect, regime weakness | | 04:40-06:17| Uprising prospects, Soviet Union parallels, regional alliances| | 06:17-07:02| Gulf states’ loyalties, discussion of NATO aid | | 07:02-07:29| Secretary of State on Iran negotiations | | 07:29-09:02| Iran Supreme Leader, patience in diplomacy | | 09:02-10:56| Congressional response, 2026 midterms, legacy talk | | 10:56-12:49| Mark Thiessen quote, Congressional theatrics, shoe joke | | 13:09-14:22| Critique of social media & Senate grandstanding | | 14:22-16:24| Marco Rubio’s influence and relationship with Trump | | 16:33-17:39| Jill Biden/Kamala Harris book drama | | 17:41-18:00| Martha’s show promo, California race chat |