“Need to Change Their Behavior”: U.S. Escalates Strikes on Iran

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Brian Kilmeade Show

Episode: “Need to Change Their Behavior”: U.S. Escalates Strikes on Iran

Date: July 20, 2026
Host: Brian Kilmeade

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Overview

This packed episode of the Brian Kilmeade Show centers on the rapidly escalating U.S. military campaign against Iran following renewed Iranian aggression, the future of the Middle East, and America's shifting political and cultural landscape. Featuring live reactions from politicians, policy experts, and media figures, the discussion weaves together breaking news on the Iran conflict, reflections on the record-breaking U.S.-hosted FIFA World Cup, and deep dives into U.S. domestic politics, especially the rise of democratic socialist ideology within the Democratic Party.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Escalating U.S. Strikes on Iran

• Trigger Events & Military Response:

  • The U.S. has ramped up bombing in Iran, marking the ninth consecutive night of strikes (“We’re taking that country apart.” – Brian Kilmeade, 02:32).
  • Two Americans killed on Friday bring the total U.S. casualties to 17.
  • The U.S. targeted key Revolutionary Guard (IRGC) compounds, including command and communications centers near the Strait of Hormuz.

• Strategic Objectives:

  • Securing the Strait of Hormuz is a top priority due to its global energy implications.
  • Concerns voiced about Iran’s ability to regroup and continue weapon production.
  • Oil shipments: Iran managed to move significant oil exports ($8 billion worth) during a truce, sidestepping U.S. sanctions (03:59).

• Expert Analysis:

  • Admiral James Stavridis warns U.S. bases worldwide (not just in the Middle East) may face retaliatory attacks (06:08).
  • General Jack Keane frames the operation as the “Battle of the Straits of Hormuz” and sees “huge progress” toward physically re-taking the strait (24:13, 86:48).

• Calls for Tactical Shifts:

  • Utilize more drone warfare, potentially using Ukrainian technology (06:50–07:30).
  • Renewed cooperation suggested with Israel and heavy emphasis on "hitting their energy facilities to really cripple the regime" (31:58).

• Diplomacy vs. Deeds:

  • Marco Rubio (Secretary of State) emphasizes that Iran’s “behavior has to change in order for ours to change” (02:22, 19:20, 39:40).
  • Repeated skepticism toward the effectiveness of diplomatic agreements and MOUs with Iran.

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2. U.S. Foreign Policy & Broader Security Risks

• Proxy Warfare & Threats:

  • Ongoing Iranian proxy attacks from Gaza to Lebanon; Gaza is “further along than Hezbollah,” but Iran remains the central threat (16:27–18:41).
  • Discussion of U.S. military vulnerabilities in Europe and Asia if Iran expands its retaliatory scope.

• Political Will & Leadership:

  • Guests consistently express greater faith in the Trump administration’s willingness to use force ("He's not gonna project weakness" – Lawrence Jones, 08:40).
  • Brian Mast contextualizes Trump’s choices as breaking the “status quo” of letting Iran acquire nuclear weapons (08:02, 44:30).

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3. Israel, Anti-Semitism, and International Law

• Domestic & International Debates:

  • Criticism of New York City Mayor Mamdani for exploring ICC-based arrest warrants for Benjamin Netanyahu—a move dismissed as “anti-Semitic” and legally baseless (16:04).
  • Discussion of the shifting political climate, anti-Israel sentiment, and perceived rise in anti-Semitism, including within U.S. political circles.

• U.S.–Israel Alliance:

  • Several guests stress that Israel does not want perpetual war but seeks security and that claims to the contrary are fringe or uninformed (27:19).

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4. U.S. Politics: The Democratic Party’s Identity Crisis

• Rise of the Democratic Socialists:

  • Extended discussion on the growing influence of Democratic Socialists, described as “alarmingly radical” by both conservative and some centrist Democratic voices.
  • Bill Maher encapsulates centrist frustration: “These are terrible ideas. Where did these ideas even come from?” (34:17).

• Key Quotes & Concerns:

  • Brian Kilmeade: “If you believe in the American dream, you cannot go for socialism.” (34:17)
  • Guests note that anti-Israel, anti-police, and abolish-prison rhetoric is gaining traction in urban primaries—potentially dangerous for the party in November.

• Debate Over Returns on Investment:

  • Debate about whether landlords "should" be allowed to make double-digit returns, criticized as "insanity" by Democratic guest Julian Epstein (50:56).

• 2026 Election Dynamics:

  • Concerns about the competence and courage of Democratic leaders to restrain extremism within the party, and the implications for upcoming midterms.

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5. Culture, Soccer, and American Identity

• 2026 FIFA World Cup:

  • U.S.-hosted event described as a watershed moment, sparking hopes for soccer's rise in U.S. sporting culture (10:27+).
  • Gianni Infantino (FIFA president): “We are here to make soccer the number one sport in the world… There is space for everyone… the NFL is a great sport.” (10:27–10:56, 62:09)
  • Anecdotes and analysis showcase World Cup's economic success—$15 billion in revenue (104:07)—and its potential legacy for U.S. youth and sports culture.

• Media Critique:

  • Praise for U.S. coverage, broad participation, and a festival-like national spirit. But critical takes on the U.S. team’s performance (“no effort at all, the jogging, that leaves a bad taste in Americans.” – Lawrence Jones, 13:53).

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6. American Institutions, Policy, and Constitutional Debates

• Debates on Democracy and Socialism:

  • Intense discussions (with former DSA leaders and think tank experts) about the Senate, landlords, and constitutional order.
  • Roger Zakheim: “We are the longest surviving democratic country in the world… because of the genius of our founders.” (94:36)

• Birthright Citizenship & Immigration:

  • Sen. Jim Banks discusses a new legislative attempt to restrict birthright citizenship for children of illegal immigrants, referencing recent Supreme Court rationale (80:42).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Marco Rubio: "Their behavior has to change in order for ours to change." (02:22, 19:20, 39:40)
• Lawrence Jones: "We're on the five yard line and the Iranians are gonna be the Iranians… we got to support those people." (08:40)
• Admiral James Stavridis: "I'm a little bit worried… not so much in the Middle east, but… where we have 100,000 U.S. troops. Think Korea, think Japan." (06:08)
• Gianni Infantino (FIFA): “Soccer, football, our football is the world sport.” (62:38)
• Brian Kilmeade: “If you believe in the American dream, you cannot go for socialism. It doesn’t make any sense.” (34:17)
• Bill Maher: “These are terrible ideas. Where did these ideas even come from?” (34:17)
• General Jack Keane: “We’re doing what we couldn’t get done diplomatically. We removed our blockade… so now we’re conducting the battle of the Straits of Hormuz." (24:13, 86:48)
• Julian Epstein (Democrat): “If you don’t know how to build anything, the only alternative you have is to tear things down. That’s what the Democratic Socialist ideology is about.” (50:56)
• Roger Zakheim: “These guys just have it upside down.” (97:32)
• Abdul El-Sayed (quoted): “There are a lot of people in Dearborn who are sad today [after Khamenei's death].” (99:25)
• Sen. Jim Banks: “The only thing these evil people [Iranians] respond to is the strength of our American military.” (87:37)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:22: Marco Rubio sets the tone for U.S.–Iran relations: diplomacy hinges on change in Iranian behavior.
• 03:13: Details on U.S. strikes and focus on the Strait of Hormuz.
• 06:08: Adm. Stavridis' global security warning.
• 08:02: Rep. Brian Mast on escalation—and Trump’s "no choice" approach.
• 16:04: Segment on New York City Mayor Mamdani’s attempt to arrest Netanyahu.
• 24:13, 86:48: General Jack Keane on the battle for control of the Strait of Hormuz.
• 27:19: Michael Makofsky on the true Israeli stance regarding perpetual war.
• 31:58, 32:01: Analysis of targeting Iran’s energy infrastructure for maximal regime pressure.
• 34:17: Bill Maher and others voice alarm about the Democratic Party’s radical turn.
• 50:56: Julian Epstein critiques socialist economic arguments.
• 62:09: Gianni Infantino on soccer’s future in the U.S.
• 80:42: Sen. Jim Banks on birthright citizenship.
• 104:07: Jonathan Hunt on FIFA’s $15 billion in revenue.
• 109:38: Debate over soccer’s video refereeing and rules.

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Final Thoughts

This episode offered an unfiltered, rapid-fire look at the most pressing global and domestic crises: the confrontation with Iran and its implications for American and allied security, internal rifts within U.S. politics, and the cultural influence of global sporting events like the World Cup. Conversations alternated between serious military strategy, political analysis, spirited media critique, and celebration of American–global cultural exchange. The episode is not only a news roundup but also a window into the mood and priorities of contemporary conservative media and its viewership.

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Transcript

[Brian Kilmeade]

From high atop FOX News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmeade, everyone.

Hope you had a fantastic weekend. We're back in action now and of course yesterday I was lucky enough to be covering the World cup, was able to do hits in the morning for the Fox and Friends and then interview the president of FIFA after. We'll bring you some of that this hour. Lawrence Jones is in studio. That's always great. Michael Makofsky will be here from as you know, he's president CEO of the Jewish Institute for National Security of America, a leading Washington, D.C. based policy and educational organization now under scrutiny like they all are because we're wondering where this anti Semitism, anti Israel attitude came from. With mostly Democrats but some Republicans too. We'll talk about that as well as cover. We know Marco Rubio is in action now. He's in Alaska en route to the Philippines. There's going to be a big regional conference that includes China and we got to talk to them about the frequency of their ships going through the Taiwan Strait. Is that related to what's happening to the Strait of Hormuz? Before we get to Lawrence, let's get to the big three.

[Gustavo Gordillo]

Number three landlords in New York have been making a 12% return on their investment for on average should they make

[Julian Epstein]

what's fair for the landlord to make if you don't like 12?

[Gustavo Gordillo]

We don't think that anyone should have a constitutional right to double digit returns on their investment.

[Brian Kilmeade]

No one's giving you a constitutional right, you idiot. Called a good investment and everyone should gun to make double digit profit of an investment. Pushback on socialists beginning to organize. Yes, as some Dems try to take back their their party before it's too late. The primary season is upon us almost wrapped up because they're worried about November if they have the wrong candidates this summer. Number two.

[Donald Trump]

Well I watched it started with Scotland and all of a sudden they're doing things that nobody's ever seen with the bagpipes and it was beautiful and it just went to every country and they're realizing what a great country this is. World cup we're the hottest country in the world right now for this helped

[Brian Kilmeade]

World cup complete the biggest, most successful sports tournament in history. 78 games in the US 104 overall cities flooded with tourists and dare I say soccer fans created here in America and beyond.

[Marco Rubio]

Number one, I think we're always open to diplomacy. It has to be real. It has to be a deal that they're willing to live by. So I mean their behavior has to change in order for ours to change.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That's a very simple idea. Secretary of State Marco Rubio the ninth consecutive night of bombing in Iran amped up after two killed on Friday bringing the total to 17. Iran is hitting Gulf states and are about to lose the strait. I hope that's next and so will be power plants. So Lawrence, first things first. Let's just talk about what's happened in Iran. We did not bring this up on tv but the IRGC command just got blown to smithereens. We finally aim for their compound. Destroyed them. Hopefully they were all in there. My hope is we took that huge tower down. There was an observatory and communication center for the strait. We're taking that country apart.

[Lawrence Jones]

Well, there had to be a proportion of a strike that would hit them hard after three of our guys are hit. And so after we lose, you know, that's the red line for the President. So that's one thing. But Brian, we still have not taken over the strait like we need to. And that's the one thing. And the reason why I say that the strait is important because of the gas prices. That's the one thing that is controlling a portion of our response. The President has still been able to keep the prices lower than the initial start of the war. But as the Iranians increase their threats and aggression, he's going to have to increase our aggression toward them and that is going to impact the oil prices.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The Wall Street Journal had today that Iran's move 8 billion of oil amid the war's truce it shipped 70 million barrels of oil worth as much as 8 billion between mid June and mid July when the US lifted its blockade on the strait. To get around the, to get around US sanctions, Iran sent its oil to an to an area known as the Eastern outer port limits outside the territorial waters of Malaysia, a midpoint between Russia and China. Their vessels would use hoses to transfer the oil to the tankers. Typically the tankers who received the oil would head would head towards private refineries in China, now known known as teapots, who buy the oil at a discount. Now what happened is when they were able to trade their oil at full rate, they tried to charge China. And China goes no, we're going to take it at a discount. And then nobody stepped up to buy it. But still they were able to get $70 billion. That MOU was a huge risk.

[Lawrence Jones]

Well, it wasn't just a risk. It was a disaster. And everything that we said that was in the MoU before it actually came out publicly turned out in the mou. So I think the President has made it very clear there's no MOU anymore. There's no talk of the MOU at this point. The things that we have questions about is why do we even allow that to happen? And I understand they wanted to get control of the oil prices, but this is a regime that's never gonna stop. But the one way they're able to continue is they have fuel to make their products, make their weapons. And it looks like we're hitting factories, Brian, that's another part of this that concerns me. Factor in places where we had already hit before so that they rebuilding. That they're rebuilding. So that tells you when you take your feet off the gas, you leave room in time for them to regroup. And Iranians, they were. They regroup pretty fast. You know, this is not Venezuela.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, we got to make sure they can't get the material to regroup. That's part of it. So Admiral James Jarvitas, former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, amongst his many titles, said this about Iran's offense. Cut six.

[Admiral James G. Stavridis]

The Pentagon is going to tear apart every single one of these strikes here. I'm confident they will do whatever it takes to increase the protection. What I'm a little bit worried about, Jake, is not so much in the Middle east, but it is attacks against our bases and our troops elsewhere in the world where there might be less alert presence. So think Europe, where we have 100,000 U.S. troops. Think Korea, think Japan or Okinawa, part of Japan. Those are vulnerabilities that I think the Iranians would not pause at exploiting.

[Lawrence Jones]

One thing that I would like to see us do, Brian, and it looks like the relationship between the United States and Ukraine is a little bit back on track now. Get the drones. Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Why don't we do that deal?

[JD Vance]

The deal.

[Lawrence Jones]

I thought there was talk about the deal already been done, but apparently it's not done. Get the deal. It's cheap and it's highly effective. Get the drones and drone the hell out of them. At this point we're worried about our munitions. That's still the problem. You could fix that on the back end and get these drones from the Ukrainians and it's cheap and. And extremely effective and hit all these targets.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The other thing is an anti drone technology.

[Lawrence Jones]

Drone technology. Get Israel back in the game. I understand the dynamics and the reason. Got it. You didn't want to turn this into a sectarian war.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I got it.

[Lawrence Jones]

Israel was being a Little bit too aggressive. Got it. But since the deal is now over and you have different partners of the Iranians talking about getting involved, let Israel back in the game.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. Brian Mast, chairman of Foreign Relations, talked about the need to get the fighting back on track and to finish these guys cut a.

[Brian Mast]

President Trump had no choice. What we're seeing is an escalation of the status quo. Iran has been attacking us for years. People forget they killed three Americans at Tower 22 in Jordan or that they put 11Americans on their knees on a boat when they were attacking that boat at gunpoint. And the day to day harassment, There was over 350 attacks on vessels in the 30 months prior to epic fury. Every beginning, this is the status quo. President Trump had the choice, do we let the status quo continue and they get a nuclear weapon or do we deal with the problem once and for all? And he said, yeah, we're going to do the hard thing, we're going to deal with the problem.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Didn't he make his case brilliantly?

[Gustavo Gordillo]

Yeah.

[Lawrence Jones]

I mean, look, one thing, I am confident, Brian, because we sometimes hyperventilate about the strategy and how this thing that at the end of the day, I always know, at least with this president, that he's not gonna project weakness, that he's always gonna answer the call. That's the one thing that we have going for. We got a military that has been successful. I've said it from the very beginning. We're on the five yard line and the Iranians are gonna be the Iranians. I also am very hopeful, Brian, because this is the first time I've heard the President talk about this recently. At least he's starting to talk about the Iranian people and the suffering that they're going through. We promised them that we're gonna have their back. This is not a globalist policy that 30,000 of their people got up and protested and we said, we're gonna have their back. We got to follow through with it. Not because we want some new regime and we want to be the policeman of the world, but because that is a direct threat to our country. We got to support those people.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We got to take out the besieged because they're the ones who dress in plain clothes and just kill protesters. They hung four more over the weekend

[Lawrence Jones]

in January, by the way, Brian, to your point before we go, there are no moderates, okay, in their government. They don't exist. From the Supreme Leader to the Parliament to the assembly of Experts, that is a combination of the clerics as well as doctors and philosophy there's no modern. They play good cop, bad cop.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I agree. So Gianni Infantino is the president of FIFA. He's going to run for reelection too. So I was able to talk to him after the final game, which Spain won one nothing in overtime. Here's what he said about what soccer's legacy. They. They left behind enough money in 94 to launch the MLS in 96. What about now? Cut 16.

[Gianni Infantino]

We are not leaving anything behind because we stay here.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We are staying here. We are here to stay.

[Gianni Infantino]

We are here to make soccer the number one sport in the world. You think you came here 100%.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You think you can beat the NFL?

[Gianni Infantino]

We will be exec number co number ones with the NFL. Maybe I don't know now, but Roger, Roger Goodell is a great friend. I have so many friends in the NFL. But there is space for everyone. And, and you know, the NFL is a great sport.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's an American sport.

[Gianni Infantino]

Soccer, football, our football.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So do you think he's going to move up the rankings?

[Lawrence Jones]

I. I think popularity. I think he has the right message saying that there's room for everyone, room for every sport.

[Marco Rubio]

It.

[Lawrence Jones]

It'll move up the ranking, but it'll never be like American football. But I do think some of the marketing that's part of the problem. Our best, you know, it's just a fact. Our best athletes aren't playing soccer because of exposure. They're just not playing. So you gotta market to those people. That means scholarships, telling them no about them. There gotta be nil deals as well. You get that and then you'll grow.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Here's an example. You look at Holland in Norway, the big center forward, right? He's 65652, 20. He would be a tight end in America. So he would have been pushed into football or power forward. But I point out this, that for the longest times, if you were a certain build, you'd be a boxer, right? And after a while, boxing stopped being. After Muhammad Ali retired and Tyson was. There was a dead period and then Tyson came back and made it cool again. And now to a dead period, right? Those boxers are power forwards, right? So. And they're just moving to or linebackers, right? So it's when a sport gets hot, you make your decision. For example, Antonio Freeman's son. He was. Freeman was unbelievable in this World Cup. He's 23 years old. So his dad and his mom weren't living together. They separated and that's when he found soccer. And I'm wondering if he lived with his dad. His dad said, no, you're playing football.

[Lawrence Jones]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Walter Payton's son was unbelievable. And they thought he was national team caliber. And then senior year, he says, I'm playing football.

[General Jack Keane]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And then he gets a full scholarship to Miami.

[Lawrence Jones]

Eddie Peyton, if I could make one suggestion, just from my perspective as, you know, play sports my whole life, the branding of soccer has to change a little bit. They have to market it as being a physical. They have to make it more of a physical because it is. It is. But they have to brand it that way because that's what the, the young men gravitate to. Like, for example, soccer was never an option in my household. It was basketball, football, and maybe, maybe give baseball a shot. Right. That soccer is not marketed as. That being that way.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But, you know, it's huge in Dallas. Any use it is.

[Lawrence Jones]

We got FC Dallas, which is.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Oh, yeah. But I mean youth, because I mean like one of the elite team as well. But one of the elite youth tournaments is in Dallas.

[Lawrence Jones]

It is. And you have a lot of kids that are playing more so than before. And I think this World cup was hugely, you know, successful and helps the branding. I will say this. The, the, the. The way the USA played though, that, that made it take a hit.

[Roger Zakheim]

Right.

[Lawrence Jones]

Going out that way.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The less game.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yes. Because you got us there. And as a new fan. And then you get all the way there. And I'm not saying for them, I'm not saying they had to win. Brian. I understand that they were going uphill, but the no effort at all, the jogging, that leaves a bad taste in Americans.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. We'll see what happens. And this week Mauricio punching Chino will decide if he's staying.

[Michael Goodwin]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I hope he stays the coach. Yeah.

[Lawrence Jones]

I'm hearing a lot of people say he may not be there.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

They said depend Lexi Lawless, who's just in our green room, he said it depends what kind of offer he gets because it's a good gig.

[Lawrence Jones]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But so many people want this guy.

[Lawrence Jones]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So he's a hot coaching commodity. But I would love to see him

[Lawrence Jones]

build as great spirit. And he seems shocked with some of the performance after they had such a great run. It would be a disaster if we lost him.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, so listen, Lawrence, when we

[Lawrence Jones]

see you again, I'll be on the show tomorrow.

[Donald Trump]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Are you hosting it all this weekend around the weekend?

[Lawrence Jones]

No, I'm going to have a surgery coming up. Goodbye. And then we'll get through that. That's Wednesday, so prayers. Appreciate it. And then. Yeah, we'll Go from there. Should be quick.

[Michael Makofsky]

All right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

In now get some of that, some of that. Do you have some liquid builder, right?

[Lawrence Jones]

That's right, exactly. So I've been telling people about retina tear and then you have some liquid and all that. So just getting rid of that, it should be quick.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Lawrence Jones will be back in a week, but you will be tomorrow. And you'll give us update.

[Lawrence Jones]

Give you update.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Hey, you'll be in tomorrow.

[Lawrence Jones]

I'll be in tomorrow.

[Michael Makofsky]

Wearing makeup.

[Lawrence Jones]

I mean, I need it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Back in a moment.

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[Brian Kilmeade]

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I believe that Prime Minister Netanyahu belongs in the Hague. He's a war criminal. Whatever the law allows me to do in New York City, that's what we will do. But we won't be writing our own laws to that end. That's an active conversation with our legal department in seeing what the prospects are we have here in our municipality. So that is our idiot Mayor Mamdani talking about his need to arrest Benjamin Netanyahu.

[Julian Epstein]

Why?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Because he's anti Semitic. We know that he hates Israel. We understand that his wife hates him even more. No question about that. But now Prime Minister Netanyahu is blasting Mondami after Mondami says exploring opportunities to enforce the ICC arrest warrant. He essentially says his office called the warrant bogus and accused Mondame of attacking Israel to distract from problems in New York. Legal experts say a New York mayor has no clear authority to arrest a visiting foreign leader, and the US does not recognize the ICC's jurisdiction. I'll bring something else. The UN ambassador weighed in, Michael Waltz, and he said, what the hell are you talking about? We don't even subscribe to the icc. And anything that he's done is not genocide. And I've totally told you that. John Spencer, he's at the War College at West Point, who has been there four times during the height of the war against Hamas and says that they've been more surgical and humanitarian in their strikes than even we were in Ramadi and Fallujah. Over in Iraq, no one was calling for President Bush's arrest. One thing, not one civilian is targeted by Israel. In Hamas, that's the goal. Who, by the way, just elected a new leader. So we got to put more pressure on them. We got to get these other nations putting pressure on them. I do get the sense that Gaza is further along than Hezbollah and that Lebanon's relationship with Israel is great. With the Hezbollah, I feel as though they're still getting supplied. And I think that's why at the hub of it all, at the nexus of it all is Iran. The less power they have, the less weapons they have, the less money they have, the less money all these proxies have. And guess who's the latest one who wants them defanged? Syria wants them defanged. Lebanon is standing up, something they haven't done in 25 years. And nobody likes what's happening right now in Gaza. So there could be a situation where Gaza starts calling their own shots. Palestinians, not happening right now. Hamas still has got the guns, less guns, but still have the guns. In business, the best days are when

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[Marco Rubio]

I think we're always open to diplomacy. It has to be real. It has to be a deal that they're willing to live by. Look, Iran a week ago was to put out, supposed to put out a statement saying that the Straits of Hormuz would be open, that they would no longer attack shipping. And instead of doing that, they attacked three ships. That was last Friday or Saturday. So I mean their behavior has to change in order for ours to change.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It just makes so much sense. Marco Rubio taking a few questions. Yesterday, the ninth consecutive night of bombing in Iran, ramped up, ramped up big time. Two, sadly, Americans have lost their lives. Three overall and something unrelated, so bringing the total to 17. So it's not without costs. But we are putting a tremendous damage, we're wielding tremendous damage on one of our premier enemies. I still look at China as a competitor and Russia I think is an enemy. But Iran is front and center where. And they've killed Americans. They try to keep the blood off their hands, but we know it's on there and so does Marco Rubio. He has very little trust in any mou. Marco Rubio gets it. I can't say the same thing about the vice president. With us right now is Michael Makofsky, president and CEO of the Jewish Institute for National Security of America. And it's a leading Washington, D.C. based policy and educational organization focused on U.S. defenses and national security issues in the military in the Middle East. Michael, welcome back.

[Michael Makofsky]

Thank you, Brian. Great to see you again.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Michael, from your sources, do you have a sense of how much damage this nine days of bombing has done on the military infrastructure of Iran?

[Michael Makofsky]

Well, I think there's been obviously significant damage. And I think what's also interesting, obviously initially the attacks seemed to focus along the coastal area of the, of the, of the Persian Gulf. But what we've seen, I think in recent days is an expansion of the target list to also more southwest and just generally more western, western Iran. And I think that suggests what might be coming going forward plus of course, the whole moving of all these refueling tankers and perhaps other assets to Israel. So there might be more US Planes coming from the west and therefore they're going to they might be hit. The signals suggest, you know, more action on western Iran, too.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So so far, why don't you think they're hitting Israel?

[Michael Makofsky]

Well, you know, that's a great question. I think there's a couple of reasons. One, because the Iranians know that Israel will hit back hard and I think from I was recently in Israel when we right out, right before we last spoke and I think the Israelis are itching to get in and I think the Iranians know it. So they're just, they don't want to hit Israel if they could avoid it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, they must now. I mean, at the same time, if that is indeed the case and people think that and you and maybe I'm inclined to think that too, why would they break an MOU that was so tilted in their favor, allowed them to trade oil at full price, potentially allowed them to begin to maybe do the things necessary to get $300 billion in relief funds from their Arab neighbors and investment, all these things would have allowed them to rebuild. Hopefully not their nuclear program, but they would have from their perspective. But yet they just said we're going to shoot at chips and blow the whole thing up. Do they, don't they know that was the best deal ever? And aren't those the same people that are being pragmat? Evidently when it comes to Israel, they're not when it comes to us.

[Michael Makofsky]

Right? No, it's a, it's a, it's a great question and logic would suggest exactly what you're saying and it all. But unfortunately, I think the fundamental problem here, and the MOU reinforce it, is the Iranians think they won the war. And they felt that way since the cease fire on April 8th. And they saw a desperate America wanting to come to a deal. And the MoU, as you point out, was a tremendous agreement for the Iranians, and yet it was an abject failure because Iranians wanted more, they wanted to push. They see America, they saw America on the run and they wanted to exert their dominance on the Strait of Hormuz. Now, they did sell a lot of oil. My office, my organization, Ginsa, reported, I think two weeks ago that they got already like over at least $5 billion in oil revenue within the first few weeks of the mou. And as you point out, they could have gotten a lot more, but they can't help themselves. And it's more important to the regime to try to exert their dominance, this traitor Hormuzen, to push the United States out than the oil revenue they would have gotten.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So we got to we plan is definitely to take back that straight, I think kinetically. Here's General Jack Keane on the progress we're making. He said this 40 minutes ago, cut 32.

[General Jack Keane]

We're doing what we couldn't get done diplomatically. We removed our blockade as part of the deal, but they maintain control. So now we're conducting the battle of the Straits of Hormuz to forcibly open the straits, secure it, and eventually control it. That is what has taken place. And huge progress is being made. And as we are taking casualties in doing this, casualties are a part of war, and our heart goes out to the loss of life here. And three losses of life has taken place. One noncombatant, and potentially a fourth. Add that to the list of thousands that the Iranians have killed Americans since 1983, and that's what we're dealing with in this barbaric regime.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So the physically taking the Strait back is key. We have that one pathway through the Oman side, and those would refuse to go through the. The other side. They were getting shot at. And the Iranians claim they shot another ship over the weekend. We can't confirm that.

[Michael Makofsky]

Right. And I agree obviously with what General King just said, and obviously my condolences to the families of these American soldiers that were unfortunately and tragically lost in the last few days. But I think the General is of Course. Right. This is a battle for the Strait of Hormuz. And I think it might be even broader than that, because it's not just about what the Hormuz is. Yes, the Hormuz is important, but it's about making sure, I think, to convince the Iranians that they've lost and they haven't won. And that's very important. And I think President Trump seems to understand that with all these violations, the threats to assassinate him, the MoU failed not because the conspiracy theories of Vice President Vance, but because Iranians violated all the time, and they were mocking the United States and the President of the United States and threatening to kill them. So I think we have to show the Iranians that they can't control the Straits of Hormuz and that they've lost this war. And then I think there might be an expansion. We don't know yet what President Trump is thinking, but I think he's already hinted that he might use this as an opportunity to also go after the nuclear facilities, because I thought it was very interesting that he raised Pickaxe Mountain, this nuclear facility that was not hit last year or this year. And it suggests that maybe we might be going after that also. Time will tell.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That would be great. But I think the other thing I want to bring you to, even though you're in Washington, is the vice president said with Joe Rogan that there are elements of the Israeli government that wants perpetual war. And I thought to myself, yeah, I mean, for every government, there's an Ilan Omar who are fringe.

[Julian Epstein]

Right.

[Michael Goodwin]

Who.

[Brian Kilmeade]

They don't speak for the country, but they have a constituency. I can't tell you the names of people in the Knesset.

[Donald Trump]

It.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But I don't know anyone in Israel in a country the size of New Jersey. They would think it would be great for us to always be at war.

[Michael Makofsky]

Yeah. Look, I was in Israel a couple of weeks ago and. Or a few weeks ago, I met with every senior security leader and the military and the security, including Prime Minister Netanyahu. I could tell you I don't think any of them won indefinite war. You see today. I was reading today that you had the head of IDF manpower talking about how there's a shortage of IDF troops. They're not looking for war. Israelis have been, especially the reservists, have been serving a lot of time since October 7th. But what they do want is safety. And I think that's. That's what the Israelis want. But I don't know where the. And by the way, Senator Cotton, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee says he has no such intelligence. Well, he, yeah, actually, his comments were not about Israel wanting more, but he said there was no intelligence of any campaign by the Israeli government to try to kill the mou.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yes, that's another, that's another accusation from the vice president with Joe Rogan over the weekend. I mean, I don't think he understands that he's not a center in Ohio. That would be controversial if he was a center in Ohio. But now he's vice president, made it clear I was a little ambivalent when it came to this war, wasn't enthusiastic. And now he's been asked to come up with an MOU to settle it. And it was, I thought, was absolutely terrible. But it's almost in our rearview mirror now. It's almost not worthy of talking about because it's been nine straight days of bombing. So if Iran says, well, we beat America, really, we're amping up the amount of pressure on them and we'll see how much damage that can be done. And I'm wondering also I do worry about the Gulf states and if they have the interceptors that you guys, that Israel has in terms of three different levels of missile defense. Kuwait doesn't seem to have it. Jordan doesn't seem to have it.

[Michael Makofsky]

Well, right. I think it's very interesting. What you just point out is about Jordan. Obviously, these two, and perhaps more unfortunately, soldiers, US Soldiers were killed in Jordan. I think what the Iranians are trying to do, they're not only trying to hit all US Bases in the region that they see as vulnerable, but also in Jordan's case, they might be hoping also to destabilize the regime. And, you know, there are a lot of Syrians and Iraqis that have flooded, flood, flooded into that country over the last couple of decades, that most of the country is Palestinians. You know, we support the king there. But they might think that these attacks could also. And I think it's a, just to bring it back. It's a real contrast. We're building up our forces in the, in Israel, in the OVDA Air Force base in southern Israel and other bases because we see them as more secure and we have complete freedom of action, which is, as we talked about last time, you know, I think that we need to have a permanent base there in Israel. But they've shied away from that because it's more protected. They, the Iranians have shied away because it's more protected.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, well, I guess we're going to see what's going to happen. Lastly, it looks like you're going to have an election in September, is that correct? That's when the prime minister is going to be the Knesset was, was broken. Did guys end the break up the government and you're going to have a new one in September? Not you, but I mean, Israel is

[Michael Makofsky]

it's going to be the end of October.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Oh, ok.

[Michael Makofsky]

Yes. Yeah, yeah. Which is what I think Netanyahu wanted it. I think the opposition wanted it, as you said, in September, before the October 7 anniversary, but he wanted it at the end of the month, which is where it's going to be. If I could just say one more thing to look out for of what we're going to be doing going forward. And again, I don't know exactly, but I thought it was very interesting besides President Trump's comments about Pickaxe Mountain. And by the way, the Wall Street Journal reported that we didn't hit Pickaxe Mountain because we didn't think it was important. My understanding from Israeli sources that's not the case. It was because it was so deeply buried that we or the Israelis could not effectively hit it. But there was another attack by CENTCOM that I think is interesting. We hit Abadan. Now, I don't know exactly we hit, but whether it was just the air defense. But that's the site of Iran's biggest refinery. And the president has talked about in the past about hitting their energy facilities to really cripple, hurt the regime and to undermine their ability to execute a war. I think that's something to watch. I think what we might be seeing, I don't know. But what these other strikes beyond just about the Strait of Hormuz, might be preparing for something larger in the coming days and weeks.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We'll have to see really what could be larger.

[Michael Makofsky]

Well, I think if we hit some of the energy facilities, for instance, as the president has talked about, we did hit this nuclear facility, the civilian nuclear facility. If we saw, if we decided, for instance, to hit the major refinery, that would really hurt the regime. I'm not talking about export. I'm talking about because it would, it would make the regime less able to provide fuel for the people. What if we wanted to hit some of their natural gas facilities? By the way, I heard that from Israel. There's been a lament that we didn't hit some of their more other energy facilities because that would really hurt the regime internally. And I think that's something to watch. I don't know if we're going to go that route But President Trump has referred to that as a possibility.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We don't want this to go on endlessly. Nobody does. And not even obscure Israeli politician that may not exist. Michael Mikovsky, thanks so much. Always appreciate your insight, especially now nine days into a major bombing campaign in Iran. Thank you.

[Michael Makofsky]

Thank you.

[Roger Zakheim]

You got it.

[Michael Makofsky]

Thank you. Have a Good day.

[JD Vance]

You too.

[Brian Kilmeade]

1-866-4087669 I'm going to get some of your emails I got over the weekend on One Nation and of course our shows from last week and then take your calls. We have some time on the back end. We also have a new prime minister over in Britain, it's Andy Burnham. And in case you think it's going to be a new bright day, think again. He's a far left left socialist. Yeah. Back in a moment.

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[JD Vance]

Democrats are cowardly. Yeah, they're cowardly. Their party is being taken over now by, you know, every day hear about a new very radical. I feel very good about 10 whenever years ago like I did lose fans because, you know, I wasn't going to go along with some of this crazy stuff on the left too. I didn't change really on what I thought about the right, but just I can't sit and just not notice stuff which people seem to want to do because it's all about my team or your team. But yeah, there's some crazy stuff.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, there is some crazy stuff on the left, don't you think? Betterman, Bill Maher, Van Jones speaking out against it. Don't you think it's a little disturbing? People go, oh, it gives Republicans a shot at the midterms, but this is too big. The mayor of New York City is one thing. Then you got two other congressional leaders who believe abolish prisons, abolish borders, hate America. The do the, the Democratic socialists of America saying abolish the Supreme Court, abolish the Senate, abolish the presidency. You might go, well, great, let me run against that individual. But then you realize young educated people are voting and if they get inspired to go out there, they start winning elections, you're not gonna recognize his country. And among the people that thought that and were alarmed by that was Van Jones. He said something interesting over the weekend. He kind of spoke out about it and essentially says, you know, this is not the Republican Party. The Democratic Party, I remember cut 26. But what does that have to do with supporting Hamas? What does it have to do with putting up candidates who say we should have no police, no prisons, we can't deport anybody, even if they commit rape or murder, Israel shouldn't exist. These are terrible ideas. These are awful ideas. Where did these ideas even come from? I don't know. That's why. If you don't know, then I'll never know. So I even wrote him over the weekend. He wrote me back and he says, you're really concerned. You know who's concerned about it too? Guys like James Carville are concerned about it. Not that they really like Republicans. Cut 27. If we live in a world where people could literally get elected to office with the only qualification being that they went and celebrated a mass murder of Israelis. If all elected officials celebrated mass murders, is that a better world or a worse world? These are not progressive ideas. These are regressive ideas. And should I just bring up too that I didn't bring this up, but I'm sure you know it by now. Part of this platform is anti Israel, anti Semitism. Oh, you know, Israel shouldn't exist. But I don't want to talk about that now. That's what, that's what Abdul, Abdul El Sayed, who's running for said the Democratic Senate seat over in Michigan. It's so concerning that Gary Peters, who has a seat, decided that I'm gonna go endorse another questionable character. But the more mainstream Democrat over there, and so did the Congressional Black Caucus, backed off because this is not a minority movement. I don't know anybody. If you believe in the American dream, you cannot go for socialism. It doesn't make any sense. I mean, it caps how much you earn and tells you, I'm going to nationalized industries that would allow for free market to allow you to sell instead. It takes incentives out of everything and it's not worked anywhere. I wish people would understand that there are different things that could go on. But giving people other people's money never has worked out. And people point to the Nordic countries, Norway and Sweden have backed off all those policies because they've fallen flat in their face. You listen to the Brian Kilmeat Show. So glad you're here. Don't forget our YouTube channel, YouTube.com@the Brian Kilme Show. Everybody's talking about YouTube

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[Marco Rubio]

Hi, everyone.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So glad you're there. We're at 40th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan. Last night I was at MetLife looking at the World cup final. So had a quick turnaround, but happy to be with you today and talk a little bit of soccer and so much more. Michael Goodwin, New York Post columnist this hour, Julian Epstein makes sense of the Democratic Party this hour, if that's possible. We'll do a simulcast on Fox News Channel with America's Newsroom. We'll share each other's audiences. Hope you don't mind. And of course, we'll take all your feedback@brian kilmeade.com On Sunday, I did a story about data centers and talked to Mike Rowe about the need to build them, that people should stop being reluctant. And I've gotten people all over the map, some angry, some saying, thank goodness you said that. David Sachs said if we don't build these data centers are going to fall way behind China. Are they working behind the scenes to make sure that the public sentiment turns against data centers saying it's bad for the environment? We'll discuss that at some point. But first let's get to our big three.

[Gustavo Gordillo]

Number three landlords in New York have been making a 12% return on their investment for on average, should they make

[Julian Epstein]

what's fair for the landlord to make?

[Gustavo Gordillo]

If you don't like 12, we don't think that anyone should have a constitutional right to double digit returns on their investment.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Why push back on socialists beginning to organize as some Dems try to take back their party? Let's talk about that and Maine and them scrambling to replace Graham Platner number two.

[Donald Trump]

Well, I watched it started with Scotland and all of a sudden they're doing things that nobody's ever seen with the bagpipes and it was beautiful and it just went to every country and they're realizing what a great country this is is with the hottest country in the world right now for this helped.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It certainly did that. Is Donald Trump World cup complete, the biggest, most successful sports tournament in history, 78 games in the U.S. 104 overall, most sold out, cities flooded with tourists and dare I say soccer fans created. We'll discuss it.

[Marco Rubio]

Number one, I think we're always open to diplomacy. It has to be real. It has to be a deal that they're willing to live by. So, so I mean their behavior has to change in order for ours to change.

[Brian Kilmeade]

As Marco Rubio, ninth consecutive night of intense bombing in Iran amped up after two killed on Friday in Jordan. Iran is hitting our Gulf states and are about to lose the strait. We'll discuss it and A lot more. And you know, Marco Rubio always making sense on foreign policy, but for some reason, when it comes to negotiations on Ukraine, when it comes to negotiations with Iran, where even Hamas, he's not involved, it makes no sense. I feel a lot better if he was. Do you agree with me, Michael Goodwin? Is he not there? Okay, we just dropped him. We lost. We lost him on that. Here is more from Marco Rubio. Cut to.

[Marco Rubio]

Well, they're not complying with it. I mean, the streets are supposed to be open, free of tolls, free of attack, free of all the things they're doing against these ships. So they can't have an MOU that's alive if they're violating the terms of it. What I will say is that the United States always remains open to a diplomatic solution. We've tried multiple times with Iran, and we'll continue to try.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, we'll continue to try, but I think it's all waste of time until you get to the point where they have no choice in terms of what our choices are. Admiral Chavitas, one of the most knowledgeable military minds in our country, had this to say over the weekend. Cut three.

[Admiral James G. Stavridis]

God, say has three options and none of them are good. One, he can simply do Pontius Pilot and walk away from this. That would be a terrible outcome for the United States, for the Gulf, for global trade. I don't think he's going to do it, but that certainly is an option.

[Brian Kilmeade]

More cut. Cut.

[Admiral James G. Stavridis]

For option two, he can go big, and I mean back to the level of strikes we were at at the start. Hundreds of strikes a day and amping up, going after targets that put pressure on the Iranian economy. That would be a big military move, and that could include boots on the ground. That's a bad option because it's expensive and no one wants boots on the ground. And it just doesn't kind of add up for the American public.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And by the way, I don't think three, all three bad options. When you're trying to take down a nemesis of this country for nearly 50 years, that is an option. We just got to do it the right way.

[Admiral James G. Stavridis]

Cut five and then third. And finally. So, okay, Admiral, where does he land? Probably with option three, which is what you're seeing, increasing to some degree, the kinetic activity, the bombs increasing economic sanction, pain, hopefully getting our allies onside and above all, keeping the door open for negotiation. Some have called this, and I think it's accurate, escalate to de. Escalate to force them back to the table.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And you know, over the weekend I had conversations with people very close to the negotiations. There might be people that we're talking to that nobody has knows that might be in some so called deep state of Iran. Then I'll be, I don't know, I've never heard of that before yesterday. Let's bring in Michael Goodwin in the New York Post. Michael, the one thing we've learned over the years, I think, is that there is no moderates in Iran. They play the good cop, bad cop game like we do. They were like, oh well, I'm the reasonable one. You got it. You don't want any part of the irgc. They're always speaking of the same, the same hymn book.

[Michael Goodwin]

Yeah, that's been a game they played for decades. And Brian, I think there's, we may have fallen for some of that too. When we talk about a moderate wing of the Ayatollah's command structure. I'm among those who doubt that such a moderate wing actually has any power or any say. Ultimately that may be just simply another window dressing effort. But I have to say also, Brian, that I think the thing, when I look at the whole six months or so nearly now, not quite, but since the end of February when this began, the thing that surprises me most is how much pain Iran has been willing to absorb without surrendering, without really surrendering anything other than willing to meet and negotiate. That has to be a surprise also, I think to some in the Pentagon and maybe even the White House.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Here's Brian Mast on that. Chairman of the House Foreign relations committee. Cut 8.

[Brian Mast]

President Trump had no choice. What we're seeing is an escalation of the status quo. Iran has been attacking us for years. People forget they killed three Americans at Tower 22 in Jordan or that they put 11Americans on their knees on a boat when they were attacking that boat at gunpoint. And the day to day harassment, there was over 350 attacks on vessels, missiles in the 30 months prior to epic fury. Every beginning. This is the status quo. President Trump had the choice, do we let the status quo continue and they get a nuclear weapon or do we deal with the problem once and for all? And he said, yeah, we're gonna do the hard thing, we're gonna deal with the problem.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I do and I see something, I mean we gotta, I think he's gonna intensify over the next few days and get back that straight. When they get back the straight, that's like snapping their Achilles heel.

[Michael Goodwin]

Yeah, I mean that's an important factor, Brian, and it makes you do wonder were we surprised that the strait became so much part of their arsenal to hold us back. And it succeeded to the extent that we could not watch the world's energy market run dry. So we are responsible to the world. They are not. They are only responsible to themselves and their terrorist affiliates. We have a much bigger obligation, and that's why we are the United States of America.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. So we're watching our mayor, Mayor Mamdani, take on Prime Minister Netanyahu. Says he wants to see what his options are to have him arrested. This guy benefits from this. He wants to make himself a national figure, don't you think?

[Michael Goodwin]

Absolutely. This is. This is simply an opportunity. It's not a necessity. Right. There's no basis of this. This indictment is from a court that America doesn't recognize for obvious reasons. It could indict American soldiers in Iran right now or somewhere else if they chose to. It's a corrupt court, just like most of the UN is corrupt, which is why the United States never ratified it it and agreed to abide by it. So Donnie doing that is embracing. Not the United States. He's embracing sort of a foreign operation on American soil. I mean, there's something really wrong with this guy's values.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, he's kind of ridiculous. Real quick, JD Vance is disappointing to you with his podcast appearance with Joe Rogan, as he is to me.

[Michael Goodwin]

Yeah, I was stunned by it, Brian. Not in a good way. I thought his comments about Israel were reprehensible. He seems to have a bug to attack the Jewish state. He seems not to understand what has happened in Lebanon and why it has happened. What he says, basically, Hezbollah and Israel. It's a chicken and egg thing. What? Hezbollah is a terrorist offshoot planted in Lebanon by Iran to try to further the goal of eliminating Israel. How can you begrudge Israel's right to defend itself against an enemy swearing to destroy it? And I think also another thing. Johnny Epstein. Epstein was high up in American intelligence and in Israeli intelligence. He called himself a conspiracy theorist on Epstein issues. It was a very strange thing. I think he was pretty, maybe too relaxed and just sort of talking without thinking.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That's giving him the benefit of the doubt. I get worried that he is thinking.

[Michael Goodwin]

I find it necessary to count it that up to now, I think he's been a pretty good vice president. I think it was a good Choice, Trump in 2024. But this is very, very disappointing. And it's out of step with the core Republican primary voters whom I mentioned in a poll that they are Much more favoring Israel saving American troops in power than he is.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Thanks so much, Michael Goodwin. Appreciate it. Back in a moment.

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[Gustavo Gordillo]

The problem we're facing in our housing system is that we talk about tenants and we say they have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. They have to be responsible financially. But when we look at the landlords, we don't use those same standards. Landlords in New York have been making a 12% return on their investment.

[Julian Epstein]

For on average, should they make what's fair for the landlord to make?

[Gustavo Gordillo]

If you don't like 12, they're complaining that 12 is not enough. And we don't think that anyone should have a constitutional right to double digit returns on their investment.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That's a former executive director of the Socialist Democratic Socialists of America. Nobody should make a double digit profit. Okay, Julian Epstein joins us now. Served as chief Counsel as Judiciary Committee and staff director of the House Oversight Committee for Democrats. Julian, do you agree that you should not make double digit returns on an investment?

[Julian Epstein]

I think this is insanity, Brian. I mean these are guys. If you look at all of the people running on the Democratic Socialist flank, they have almost one thing in common, which is they've never built anything and they don't know how to build anything. It's the same with left wing academics. They don't teach in the universities how to build for the future because they don't know how. And therefore if you don't know how to build anything, the only alternative you're left is how to tear things down. And that's what the Democratic socialist ideology is about. How do we take, you know, $500 from one productive person and give $100 to five unproductive people? It's a pyramid scheme. There's A simple answer. The housing problem in New York and elsewhere, which is build more housing and create the environment to build more housing and let the market impose on landlords market pressures for them to improve housing. We know that works, and we know when the government gets involved and controls housing, it doesn't work. But, you know, I think these fools on the far left and in the democratic socialist wing, as I say, they have no, none of them have any experience building it. AOC was a bartender. Bernie Sanders has been living on the government teeth his entire career. All of these other folks that sort of won the election in New York and elsewhere, none of them have ever done anything productive in their lives. So they don't know how to build. They know how to tear things down. And I think this pyramid scheme goes on for a couple of years until people start realizing it's a con job.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, do you think if you're a Democrat, don't you want to jump out there and stop the car and before November?

[Julian Epstein]

Well, there's this, you know, there's this old saying I think that Churchill used to use, which is the fool is the. The socialist is the guy who feeds the alligator with the hopes that the alligator will eat him last. And the. The Democratic Party, this is really a test of not only of their courage, but of their competence. I mean, the fact that you see such these candidates winning is an expression of the fact that Democrats like Schumer and Jeffries don't want to stand up and say this is bad for the party, because it is. This isn't just socialism, Brian. This is Third Worldism. So when you say socialism, you're talking about government control of the economy. When you talk about Third Worldism, you're talking about things like open borders, defunding the police, Critical gender theory, same radical critical race theory. You have a whole host of ideologies that go along with the DSA agenda. I don't think Trump and the Republicans have effectively made the case on that. But for the Democrats, there's a lack of courage in standing up and saying this is bad politics. There's also a lack of competence. This is a story of incompetence because the party used to be able to have the apparatus to put the guardrails around these kind of candidates. It no longer does.

[Brian Kilmeade]

They're back in a Bernie Sanders AOC over the weekend was with Abdul. Abdul El Sayed. And now Gary Peters is actually supporting Stevens. So there's. And the Congressional Black Caucus is supporting Haley Stevens, who's hardly an ideal candidate, but is A Democrat, I think,

[Julian Epstein]

is a Democrat. Yeah. She keeps calling me, asking me for. For money. And I've avoided her phone calls a number of times.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Very distinctive voice.

[Julian Epstein]

I don't. She's also very far left. And this is a pipe dream that Democrats. What's happening in these elections, Brian, is you're getting 10% of the electorate who the DSA has figured out how to activate in these primary elections, 10, maybe 15% of the electorate who are going out and voting for these extremist candidates and extremist agendas. And that's again, an expression of incompetence on the part of the party who can't turn out the more moderate votes. And I think they'll pay a price for it in November. But, you know, Syed, along with a lot of these other candidates are people that are expressing not just Third Worldism and socialism, but support for Nazi terrorists in the Middle East, Hamas. You know, Syed was coddled the pro Iranian vote and Dearborn did not want to. When Khomeini was, was, was, was was killed by, in the early strikes in early March. He didn't want to say anything in support of that because he was scared he would upset the pro Khomeini electorate in Dearborn, Michigan. Well, I mean, you know, Houston, we have a problem.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Julian Epstein]

Do we have a. Do we really have a big pro Khomeini electorate?

[Michael Goodwin]

I hope not.

[Julian Epstein]

Like Michigan.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, it sounds like.

[Julian Epstein]

It's like he, he believes that we do.

[General Jack Keane]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The big Muslim population.

[General Jack Keane]

He believes that.

[Julian Epstein]

He doesn't want to offend them.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Go get him. Julian Epstein, thanks so much. We come back. We'll take your calls and then America's newsroom will do a simulcast there. Don't move, Brian. Kill me Show. Beautiful Monday,

If you're interested in it. Brian's talking about it. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

[General Jack Keane]

What is the fuss all about with the straits of a move Bill and Dana, From Iran's perspective, this is a strategic asset that exceeds the nuclear deal in terms of their enterprise. Why? Because their enterprise is largely under a mountain of rubble. But this is a means for them to have influence in the region and control the distribution of oil, something they have always wanted to have. And look, they're wanting to fight for it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So that is the Strait of Hormuz and General Jack Keane talking about the need to take it back. And they can't do it. It's more valuable to them than the nuclear weapon, I think, even though they're not going to give up on either one of Them they said they wasted too much time and spilled too much blood because Israel's been out there assassinating would be nuclear scientists too because you can't have a renegade regime with a, with a nuclear missile. They'll just. They've shown they've tried to hit. They try to hit every. They could hit in the middle right of Europe. They are aiming for civilians. You see what they're doing to Gulf states are supposedly semi friendly with. So they can't have a nuclear weapon. That's pretty clear. That is General Jack Keane a short time ago now in about 10 minutes, about 4 minutes I should say we're going to be with Bill Hammer and Dana Perino. But here's more from General Jack Keane. Cut 34.

[General Jack Keane]

What I have been told is that in the time that obviously there's 90 days we've been conducting a diplomatic, diplomatic effort that we've come to full magazine depth again. And the Israelis are at full magazine depth as well. That is what I know. So I think we've got to ask the administration about it. I'm, I'm confident we can execute the mission the President has given us in front of us. And the reason why I say that is because we're fully prepared to go back to major combat operations which would be two weeks with a different, different set of targets than what we're pursuing right now along with, along with the Israelis. And if we're prepared to do that where the targets are considerably more exhaustive than what we're dealing with with the Straits of Hormuz, I think we're in good shape.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It is. And the President was able to put that aside and go to the game last night to see the finals of the World Cup. We had everything to do with in 2018 when he made sure we got it and we had to partner with two other nations. But for the most part it was centralized 74 games of the hundreds of for with us afterwards, the President was extremely happy. Cut 10.

[Donald Trump]

Well, I think my first meeting with Johnny, he's fantastic. The job he's done and he had this idea and I said that's crazy. We're not a soccer country. And it turns out we are a soccer country, we're a football country. But we don't want to get it confused. But I don't think there's ever been anything like what's happened with the whole World Cup. It's been beautiful. It's a beautiful thing to watch. And I really give Johnny the credit.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. He organized it with FIFA. It cost a Lot of money. They didn't have the maximum profit that everybody wanted, but they did get profit. People benefited. A man did America look good. Gianni Infatino was somebody who gave me some time after the game and I went on the field and we talked. Cut 12.

[Gianni Infantino]

Well, indeed. It's my first World Cup. From base to completion. It has been a long journey. Journey. It has been incredible. It has been fantastic. It has been a great journey. But the World cup itself has exceeded all expectations.

[Michael Makofsky]

Broke.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Not just broken on the record.

[Gianni Infantino]

Smashed all the records. The world was part of. It was excited celebration of 39 days. We had 104 Super Bowls. We had full stadiums. We had great atmosphere, fantastic goals. Champion like Spain, I mean, what do you want more?

[Marco Rubio]

Nothing?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, we could have used a little bit more scoring, but that's where the game went. You can't do anything about it. Best defense in the world against the clutch offense. And Argentina, believe it or not, had a chance to tie twice in the closing minutes. Down a man having been dominated almost double the possession on the Spanish side. But they're younger, they were better. But a lot of times the best team doesn't win. It's opportunities which you make the most of it. And they had a hot goal. He did Argentina. Martinez had I think 12, say 11 or 12 saves with a broken finger. That's pretty amazing. But overall, when it came to the game itself, some people would be critical of the scoring. I asked him that. Cut 13 this final game, people like a 00.

[Michael Goodwin]

No action.

[Brian Kilmeade]

They didn't watch. If they feel that way, what would you think last year, high scoring this year?

[Marco Rubio]

That much?

[Michael Goodwin]

Yeah.

[Gianni Infantino]

Well, not much scoring, but such an intensity in the game. You could literally feel it in the air. You could cut the air with a knife so fast. It was. Spain played very, very well. Argentina is Argentina, the reigning world champion and some strong players. It was a very tough game and very difficult. And that's what football or soccer is about as well. And it was a real, real final. So the world, I mean, couple 2 billion people are watching this game and I'm sure they are not disappointed about the game.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And you know, we're going to talk to Dana shortly. I don't know if we should play another sound bite maybe on the back end. But I talked to him about a lot of things, including where the US Goes from here, so. Including. Do I have enough time to roll another clip? Good. So here is Johnny andino talking about U.S. soccer and what they're leaving behind. Cut 16.

[Gianni Infantino]

We are not leaving anything behind because we stay here.

[Brian Kilmeade]

We are staying here.

[Gianni Infantino]

We are here to stay. We are here to make soccer the number one sport in the world. You think you came here 100%.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You think you can beat the NFL?

[Gianni Infantino]

We will be exego number one co number ones with the NFL. Maybe I don't know now, but Rochester, Roger Goodell is a great friend. I have so many friends in the NFL. But there is space for everyone. And, and you know, the NFL is a great sport.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's an American sport.

[Gianni Infantino]

Soccer or football. Our football is the world sport.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. So he believes they're going to be his office in Miami. So he's staying here. FIFA's got to be his office here. Now next it's going to open up. The next World cup is going to open up in South America and then for three games because it's 100 years and that's where the World cup started. And then they're going over to Morocco and Spain. I think there's another country involved too. And Spain's interesting because it's going to be the first time a host country is the reigning world champions. And they're young and if they're they're going to be favored just like France was this year especially. They win the European championships, they win the World cup, they won the women's World World Championships, they won the under 23, which is basically the Olympic team. Him, it's hard to imagine that people aren't going to try to emulate what Spain is doing. Even Messi, he's somebody that played the bulk of his career from 16 on at Barcelona, Spain. And the coach of Argentina trained at the coaching academy under the current Spanish coach in Spain. So you got to go where the great coaching is and you could take your own, you learn, go to those academies, you come back and you put your own stamp on it. I mean, in the NFL it's very simple. You go work for a guy in U.S. soccer. You'll just, you take eight, 10 weeks off and you go to an academy and you, you see where they coach. You observe and then you do and you pay money and do it. When I was playing, everybody wanted to go to the Netherlands and find out how they were training so called total soccer. I think now obviously you're going to go with Spain and we're going to see see what's going to happen there. But the game itself I thought was okay. I think it was kind of exciting. Obviously. I don't know if you noticed, if you did watch the game last night, it was mostly Argentinian fans. So when Spain won, it was almost felt like you won a championship on the road. But they were extremely happy, worthy. I don't understand the fighting at the end. It made no sense to me.

[Michael Makofsky]

I don't.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You know, you lost. You used to play at the highest level. The fighting. I mean, I know tempers get hot and people get disappointed, but for the most part, I think you learn you gotta keep your tempers under control, really. So that's. That's really. It's a successful summer. People are gonna talk about this being a soccer summer. There's no doubt about it. And here's more from President Trump. Cut 11.

[Donald Trump]

Well, I watched it started with Scotland, and all of a sudden they're doing things that nobody's ever seen with the bagpipes. And it was beautiful. And it just went to every country. And they're realizing what a great country this is. We're the hottest country in the world right now. For this helped, but for a lot of other reasons. But I'll tell you, the World cup, you know, this is your deal, right, The World Cup. But the World cup has really helped. It's been tremendous. It's gotten the world the word out, and nobody thought it was possible. I hear numbers that it's many times what's ever been done before. So that's great.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. So the President really was really happy last night. I had a chance to say hello to him real quick, talked a little bit. He thought the game was okay, but he thought the tournament was unbelievably successful and people are enjoying the. He enjoyed the fact that people were coming here and liking the country. So. And there was no big press to like the country. There was no, hey, check out this red carpet. Check out this ballroom. Check out the. No, it was, hey, go ahead, make yourself comfortable. Hope it works out for you. Hope your hotel has your reservation. Hope the people are nice to you on the street. And the answer is yes, yes, and yes. The other thing to keep in mind, too, we're just following this breaking story. There was an incendiary device that exploded in New York City outside FBI headquarters. They obviously have cameras everywhere. They'll probably find. Find the guy or person in charge and see what goes on. But it goes to show you the danger that's out there and how the FBI is targeted, even while we're trying to secure other things. That's one thing you got to be vigilant about, too. You got to be vigilant about security. I mean, when I went to the game yesterday, it was unbelievable what they've already gone through just to give you a pass. Then they go, every piece of equipment that you have, every bag that you went through, more than any airport. Thorough investigation, clampdown. And then before you go, in every single alleyway, every single corridor, there's a guy set up to make sure you belong in that corridor. And that's how separated really. And I compare it to a few things. I compare it to Super Bowls. And this was much more clamped down than Super Bowl. A lot to do with the president being there. Secret Service was everywhere. They're mixed in with the FBI. You have local cops, you have state cops in New Jersey. You have normal people. Then you got the FIFA security on top of that. So it was redundancy, redundancy, redundancy.

[Michael Makofsky]

Why?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Because if you can't secure the World cup, how are you going to keep the World cup number one. Number two, how are you going to get people to the games? And you don't want to give your enemy the hallmark. Not only do people get hurt when there's an attack, people get killed when there's attack, but they begin to say, we broke through at the World Cup. We have our signature at the World cup for evil. Everyone has got to pay attention to me. So, I mean, I know Iran didn't love the way they were treated. We said, if you're going to play in the United States, you can do that, but you better stay in Mexico. And we made sure that because a couple of their guys had some, some dicey alliances. So let's listen into America's newsroom now. Let's listen to my introduction.

[Julian Epstein]

Nice to see you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You bet, Dana.

[Julian Epstein]

Well, the World cup comes to a close with Spain bringing home the gold trophy yesterday. But it is not just about what happened on the field. The tournament creating a lasting cultural impact on the United States and the world, from bagpipes to the Viking row. And we have some highlights for you here. Brian Kilmeade, co host of Fox and Friends and host of the Brian Kilmeade show on Fox News Radio. I think you had a blast watching it all, Brian.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I did. I was able to cover it yesterday of the first game for the U.S. and Los Angeles went to three games just as a guy with tickets and just saw it because out of all the things I've done in sports, I never covered a World cup game. I never been to a World cup game. All the Super Bowls, it just never was here in 94 was doing something a little bit different. So this time I Wanted to make sure to see it. I never went to a game where I didn't care about the outcome. I really didn't. I just wanted to see the spectacle. And I was pretty amazed at a couple of things. The passion people had, how integrated. Integrated everything was. No violence, no anger. They're selling beer, they're selling hard liquor. Soccer didn't matter. Walking the streets here, Dana, we see it across the Street, Longacre, 48th street, places they had to sell tickets at a sports bar to watch a game with Cutter and, you know, Cutter in Saudi Arabia. So, I mean, it was just incredible. I think everyone was just in the right spirit through this summer that it's going to be known as the soccer summer. Yeah, I think it's a great way to put it, actually. The right spirit again. I felt that the whole way too.

[Michael Makofsky]

Listen to him.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Here's the commander in chief. He wants it again. Brian, no shock here. Give it a listen.

[Donald Trump]

We'll be requesting it again immediately. But I said to take out the shock. You could now announce us and maybe then for the next one, another and even another. But we have to do this again and we have to do while I'm around. You hear that, Johnny?

[Brian Kilmeade]

I think FIFA might like that. 2030, a split between three countries. Morocco, Portugal, Spain, 2034, Saudi Arabia. So maybe 2030. I want to know from you and Dana, you guys both went to the game. I mean, Dana, what was your impression?

[Julian Epstein]

It was electric and it was great and an amazing play. I thought that Spain. I'm not obviously, I'm not a sports analyst, but they obviously dominated. But the goalie for the Argentinians probably earned all of his pennies yesterday.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Martinez. Yeah, I would agree with that. Brian, what did you think? I thought it was great. If I was to think about all the games that I saw, I think Norway beating Brazil stood out to me and the spirit in which they had. I think also. I know it's in house, but the Fox Sports coverage was amazing because you got a global feel, wasn't. Hey, this is the American perspective. You got that with Lalas and. And Carli Lloyd.

[Lawrence Jones]

I got it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But you also had the international perspective and you got a real sense of where we're at in the big picture. Spain, the right team, won. The one thing about soccer, a lot of people say, you know, the team can dominate, have 60% of the play and possession, but lose. That almost happened down a man dominated really. In the second half, Argentina had two great chances to tie it up. And man, if it goes to Penalty kicks, which is the worst way ever to describe to end a sport, a major sport. They should forget it. It's like ending basketball on three throws. It's ridiculous. But if they had to do that, it would be terrible, I think terrible for the sport. It's happened before. But Argentina almost came back and did what they did. Remember, they almost lost to Egypt. They almost lost to Cape Verde. They had to come back to do it. And Spain opened up tying a small island off Africa. Cape Verde.

[Lawrence Jones]

This is.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's really amazing.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I have one last question.

[Senator Jim Banks]

A halftime performance.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Perino scale of one to ten, how did you score it? Ms. Dana?

[Julian Epstein]

Like a seven and a half.

[General Jack Keane]

Too small.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But they're going to do it again and maybe they blow it up a big way. Brian, thank you. Back to radio.

[JD Vance]

You run.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, thank you very much, guys.

[Julian Epstein]

See you soon.

[Marco Rubio]

Take care.

[Julian Epstein]

I'll see you in the building.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Absolutely. Or the lunchroom. Yeah. I'll be hosting Jesse Waters tonight if you are curious. Listen, I'm way over time, so I'll take a short time out. So I have something on the other side. I got a lot of emails from Sunday show on data centers. Back in a moment.

From breaking news to big name guests, Brian brings you insight you won't hear anywhere else. You're listening to the Brian Kill Meat show. Radio that makes you think this is the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[JD Vance]

Yes, my vote is in play because it can't be Trump running. So I'm not living in communist America. I'm, I mean, I know that the talking point is it's not communism, it's socialism. Okay. I've read the quotes from the DSA platform from their own mouths. Don't tell me I'm not seeing what I am seeing. And dsa, again, they say things like, you know, takeover of key industries, government. That's communism. You know, there is a definition.

[Donald Trump]

Yes.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Bill Maher is saying exactly the right thing. And this guy Gustafo Gordillo was on the story over the weekend. I mean, just listen to some of his philosophies. Cut 19.

[Julian Epstein]

The House of Representatives, which is population driven. And then you've got the Senate. So every state, if you're a small state, you still get two senators even though you only get maybe one congressman in order to make all of the states have fair representation. So you say they. I'm just.

[Gustavo Gordillo]

When you ask normal Americans if Congress and the Senate and our political system is working for them, most people are very unhappy with the political system and they say it's not working for them. When we think about the 250th anniversary of the United States and we think about our proudest moments in US History, I think of times like when ordinary people rose up and they changed the Constitution to abolish slavery, to give women the right to vote.

[Julian Epstein]

Everyone's proud of that right. I just want to ask you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right that Those are amendments as opposed to getting rid of a body, a constitutional body on the foundation of the checks and balances system. You compare it to getting rid of slavery. Unbelievable. I mean, this is what this guy said. The crazy thing is they don't sound crazy. They sound intellectual. But believe me, they've not thought this out out and they're not to be followed. I hope you explain that to a young person in your house.

From high atop FOX News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sewing division, it's Brian Kilmeade.

All right, everybody from 48 and 6 in Midtown Manhattan heard around the corner country around the world. Brian, kill me, Joe, coming your way. We're watching a lot of different stories. There's an incendiary device that was found outside the FBI office in New York City. Well, we're going to look at that.

[JD Vance]

We're looking.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Marco Rubio is stopped in Alaska en route to Philippines to have a major I think it's an APAC meeting with people in the southern rim, southeastern rim, and that includes China. So we'll have that going on as well. Standing by is Senator Jim Banks. Roger Zakhaim a little bit later. And Jonathan Hunt wraps up at the World Cup. But let's start with Senator Jim Banks of Armed Services, Banking, Housing, Urban Affairs, Health, Education, labor and Pensions. In other words, when he went to the Senate, he came there to work. Senator, welcome.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Hey, Brian, good to be with you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So this is the last week before you guys go off again. And I'm just wondering what you thought the chances are of passing legislation, some form of the Save America act, whether it's voter or something simpler than as voter id.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Well, President Trump's message last week to the American people about what the Chinese did to hack into our voter rolls and what foreign countries are doing to our election system should, should be motivation enough to get the Senate to finally move forward on the Save America Act. We're waiting on the the House is crafting the next reconciliation bill, the reconciliation 3.0 bill. That's $350 billion for our military to replenish our military stockpiles. We need that to keep up the Pressure on Iran and then we. It also, it's also a spark plug to the defense industrial industrial base in places like Indiana. So we need that. But it's also tied to the Save America Act. Speaker Johnson has made it very clear that much of or most of the meat of the Save America act can be baked into the reconciliation bill. It only requires 50 votes for Brian in the Senate instead of 60. And that's why the reconciliation pathway is a good one for moving forward with Save America. So we're waiting on that to come over from the House. I hope that will sail through the Senate. Obviously we still have some, you know, challenges in the Republican led Senate with

[Brian Kilmeade]

a few Collins, Murkowski and Tillis.

[Marco Rubio]

Right?

[Senator Jim Banks]

Yeah, but, but, but Mike Lee did put the save an amendment with the Save America act on the floor in our last vote of Ramen. I Got it got 50 votes with Susan Collins voting for it. So we know that we can pass it. We just, we just have to have the guts to do it. And the House passing the reconciliation bill over to the Senate unlocks a, an opportunity for us to pass most of, not all, but most of what matters most the parts of the Save America act and pass it asap because you

[Brian Kilmeade]

got transgender things in there, which I like, but I just, I like to see it pass. 80% of the country wants to see it pass. And then you just. If I was to make a choice of we can put off, you know, banning women in men's men and women's sports and then the trans surgeries. If you could put that out in a separate bill, would that make it more amenable to a Mitch McConnell and maybe get a Democrat or two across maybe.

[Senator Jim Banks]

But reconciliation, when we use reconciliation, you only need 50 legislative tactic. You can't, it can only be budgetary, not policy. So you immediately, you immediately lose issues like, like saving girls sports or okay, so it has to be budgetary. And we, and the reason that that works for Save America act is we tie federal budgets to the states related to election security and election integrity to the, to the outline the confines of Save America act. And that's why it works. I mean Lindsey Graham talked about this on the last reconciliation bill and he was chairman of the budget committee and he oversaw this reconciliation process and he was frustrated because we missed an opportunity to do this the last time to tie a Save America act to a lot of these grants that go to the states.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But don't you worry about the parliamentarian senator, you know so much more than I'll ever know but don't you worry about the parliamentarian. Go, excuse me, that's not financial oriented.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Well, in this case it is because it's tied to federal grants and funding through federal grants and would be budgetary related. And Speaker Johnson, who's so smart about all this, he's writing the reconciliation bill in the House to meet the Senate parliamentarian Musker. And he said last week, we're gonna write a bill that's gonna be so irresistible he word irresistible to Senate Republicans that we're going to, we're going to immediately pass it. And I think I take Speaker Johnson at his word on that. And I'm looking forward to seeing that bill soon so we can vote on it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Absolutely. So now I understand there's a clause in one of the. In with Justice Kavanaugh wrote on the birthright citizenship decision, which he voted to leave it. Like Judge Roberts, Justice Roberts, let's leave birthright citizenship as part of the Constitution. Let's leave it there.

[Michael Goodwin]

There.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Now, the problem is, it's not that if, if you have a kid, you should be, obviously, you and I have a kid, they should be Americans. We got that. But we're worried about birth tourism, worried about illegals having kids here just for that reason and then making them citizens. That's not what it intended. And I understand by the dissent in Kavanaugh's statement there might be an opening for birthright citizenship to be some legislation to be offered.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Yeah, absolutely. And I introduced this last week because Kavanaugh was on the wrong side of what I think is, is maybe the worst Supreme Court decision of my lifetime. President Trump tried to block birthright citizenship, free legals through an executive order. The Supreme Court struck it down 6 to 3 decision. Kavanaugh was on the wrong side of that decision. But in his concurrent opinion, he tips his hat to the bill, to doing what I just did and introducing a bill last week that declares a invasion at our southern border. Because all nine Supreme Court justices are on the record in their ruling. They all agree, those on the right and the left, that the babies of invaders into our country should not be granted citizenship through birthright citizenship. But that's not what the Supreme Court ruled on. They just ruled on President Trump blocking birthright citizenship through his executive orders. So Kavanaugh wrote in his separate, his separate ruling that if Congress stepped up to the plate and passed a bill that declared the invasion and said that illegals coming into our country, that they are, that they are invaders and that their babies aren't subject to birthright Citizenship, that, that would meet constitutional muster. So that's the bill that I introduced. I mean, this is, this is insane. 250,000 babies of illegals a year are born in our country, immediately granted citizenship. They'll be eligible to vote in 18 years. They get all of the welfare benefits. And this is about the sovereignty of our country. And it's wr. It shouldn't stand. Yet a Chinese billionaire pay a surrogate to have 100 babies in America who are immediately granted birthright citizenship. It shouldn't happen. It shouldn't stand. My bill blocks it and stops it from happening anytime again in the future.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So do you think you might get Democratic supported on that?

[Senator Jim Banks]

Well, I can't imagine a Democrat explaining with a straight face to their constituents or to the American people that babies of illegals should get, should automatically get birthright. But then again, these Democrats are so crazy and radical that maybe they do believe that. But let's force them to vote on it. Let's force them to explain it and defend it. It's a total loser for them politically, especially in this midterm election.

[Brian Kilmeade]

But you need 60.

[Senator Jim Banks]

I don't know if they'll come on board or not, but you need 60. Well, unless we do something to change the Senate rules, which I'm all for, to protect our country on important issues like these, and, and we'll see. I would Hope there'd be 10 Democrats or more or seven to join us and vote to save our country and blocking this from happening because it's a magnet, you and I, anyone with common sense knows this is a magnet into our country for more illegals to come. And if you do something to stop it and block it, that's another way to solve illegal immigration into America.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Now if I went into a Democratic room in a top secret room with, with sound protection, people left their phones outside, I think Democrats would say they've been pretty strong for the most part on China, Chuck Schumer and these guys. So they know that China is the main offender here. And if they also realize too, just because someone's Hispanic, if they do this because an illegal comes here, most of them are from south and Central America, it doesn't mean they're voting Democrat anymore. You saw how much of the Democratic vote Donald Trump got the last two times. So there might be some sober people outside, John Fetterman, who go, you know what this is, I could probably get behind this.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Yeah, you would hope so. You would think so. And if any Democrat had the courage to step up and say this is wrong, you know, someone who is voting like Fetterman on some of these issues, they would be immediately be a contender for president. The problem is they would have to get through the wacky radical left wing of their party in a primary. So that's the box that they find themselves in. This isn't my grandpa's Democrat Party anymore. They really believe in this stuff. So I think we got to put them on the spot and force them to vote on it. And maybe some will come to their senses and vote to block birthright citizenship for illegals by declaring an invasion and declaring that invaders in our country, their babies aren't eligible for birthright.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Citizen on reconciliation that we get financing done. Done as a country for the Pentagon and other things. Do you think that you have the votes? Because I understand people like. And I can understand this, too. Chip Roy are saying, where's the pay for. We're writing another check on the deficit.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Yeah. You just had Ron Johnson become the new chair of the Senate Budget Committee, taking Lindsey Graham's place. Jodi Arrington chairs the House Budget Committee, and they're working through this debate. I mean, there probably are ways that we can pay for it, but at the end of the day, we got to support our troops. This isn't Donald Trump asking for a supplemental to support the military. This is each of the branches of our military saying we need this much money to make up for what we've done in Iran and around the world and to keep our troops safe. So that's priority number one and we can get that done. I think. I mean, there's also a CR that's been baked and moving its way through the process to avoid a government shutdown on October 1st. That would be disastrous, which every Democrat

[Brian Kilmeade]

wants to do because they felt as though they benefited every Democrat wants to do because they felt as though they benefited politically when the government shut down.

[Michael Makofsky]

Right?

[Senator Jim Banks]

Yeah, that's right. They want our country to suffer for their political benefit in November. I think most people see through it and hopefully we can pass the CR fund the government and then pass this defense bill with the Save America act attached to it that keeps our troops safe and keeps America strong.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So General, Jackie was just on talking about our ninth straight day bombing Iran, and I think it's going to only heat up. He says this is about getting the strait back cut. 32.

[General Jack Keane]

We're doing what we couldn't get done diplomatically. We removed our blockade as part of the deal, but they maintain control. So now we're conducting the Battle of the Straits of Hormuz to forcibly open the straits, secure it and eventually control. That is what has taken place. And huge progress is being made. And as we are taking casualties in doing this, casualties are a part of war and our heart goes out to the loss of life here. And three losses of life has taken place. One non combatant and potentially a fourth. Add that to the list of thousands that the Iranians have killed Americans since 1983. And that's what we're dealing with in this barbaric regime.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So your thoughts about where we're at now?

[Senator Jim Banks]

Yeah, we have to keep up the pressure. The only thing these evil people respond to is the strength of our American military. The general's right. So we gotta reenact the blockade and block their oil from flowing out. That has an economic impact on Iran, but we gotta keep up the strikes. And keeping up the strikes, by the way, means that we have to keep, keep replenishing our military munitions. And that's a big part of the supplemental defense bill that we need to keep. We got to keep building them if we're going to keep striking the Iranians and keep up the pressure. We got to keep building munitions. So, Senator, you're a veteran, goes out to those troops too.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I can't see that you're a veteran. And I think your statements have a lot of weight. And I know Tom Cotton understands why we're there. I know that, that the Senate, Roger Wicker does. I could know. Tim Sheehy does. I don't really know too many Republicans not name Rand Paul who says what are we doing in Iran? Even though it's politically, you know, it's politically could be detrimental for national security. It had to be done. And if you feel that way, how come I don't see more people on other channels in our channel going to bat. I only see Trump, Trump, you know, only see, you know, Rubio talk about this or people on the Trump team. Do you think that you guys in the Senate and House, if you feel that way, like Brian Mass did with me Saturday night, Sunday night, would be speaking out more so the President doesn't feel like an island because he, because he does have more support.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Yeah, he does. And you look at what's happening right now, Brian, and you realize that these people can never have a nuclear weapon because we know what they'll do with it. They'll use it for evil purposes. And this is in America's best interest. This is America first to prevent Iran from ever having a nuclear weapon. President Trump understands that. He's clear eyed about who he's dealing with. I mean, he understands that you can't negotiate with people who in the same breath are calling for his assassination. But the only way to, the only thing that they respond to is the toughness of the American military and striking all of their important military targets. And there is room here to turn up the pressure. And President Trump has hinted at this, to take out their critical infrastructure in their country, take out their bridges and their ports. And there are many things that we haven't done yet. I don't know that negotiations mean much at this point. I mean, there was a brief pause with the mou. None of us, I don't think any of us thought that the MoU would stand, but we had to give it a chance. And now that they've, now that they're doing what they're doing, President Trump has informed General Kaine and the military to give them holy hell, make them feel it, bring them to their knees. And I imagine these, as the general, as general, as general said, these strikes are only going to ratchet up and they're going to feel it. But we have to, you're right. We have to go out and explain it to the American people. Gas prices are going back up and we're losing troops. And, and, and we don't, we don't want that. But we got, we got to finish the job or, or the devastation is going to be something that we're going to feel for a long time to come.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Absolutely. So we'll see what happens this week. Hopefully you'll get stuff done. People come to work tomorrow.

[General Jack Keane]

Right.

[Senator Jim Banks]

We're, I'm on my way to Washington right now. And we go back, back into session tonight. We have a few more weeks left in the Senate. The House has one more week. We got a lot to do before the August recess.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Senator Jim Banks, thanks so much, Senator.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Have a good day.

[Michael Makofsky]

All right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Hope you get the bears. When we come back. Your calls. 1-866-408-7669 where big stories meet bigger conversations.

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Coach, I gotta say, the first half of halftime knocked my darn socks off.

[Gianni Infantino]

Spectacular, baby.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I mean, how the heck is anyone

[Jonathan Hunt]

gonna be able to fall back?

[Roger Zakheim]

Gonna be tough.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Yep.

[Michael Makofsky]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You know what I think we need, we need some heart, you know, someone that has some soul, you know, someone who can bring the love. Oh, you thinking what I'm thinking? One step Ahead of you, coach. You always are. All right, young man, let's go. It's your big shot. Okay, now listen to me.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Go out there, don't be nervous.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Nobody's watching.

[Senator Jim Banks]

All right?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Make us proud. So there you go. That was the introduction to Justin Bieber and the halftime show at the World cup game. Kind of interesting. That was. That was of course Ted Lasso. Jason Sudeikis. Jason Sudeikis was there with. I forgot his co star's name, but he's the assistant coach.

[Lawrence Jones]

It was.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I thought it was so brilliant. You thought it was good? It was like my favorite part of the halftime show. And they subbed Justin Justin B. JB.

[Michael Makofsky]

Justin Bieber.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Instead of believe they put belieb. It was the little touches that made some people smile.

[Donald Trump]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And they, they thought it was interesting because I asked him about halftime. He says we didn't have one artist, we had five artists. So you had that, that Korean crew. What's that?

[Michael Goodwin]

Bts?

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And then you had Madonna. Madonna, Shakira.

[Donald Trump]

Shakira.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The orchestra, The Muppets. Not bad.

[General Jack Keane]

Sienna.

[Donald Trump]

Something for everybody.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That's entertaining enough. A lot of people thought Justin Bieber picked the wrong song. Is it true he doesn't have control of his library, but he seemed like he was the only one who was actually singing everybody else's lip sync. Yeah, that's what it seems like. Don't burst the bubble.

The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

[Julian Epstein]

Are you in favor of abolishing Article 1 of the Constitution?

[Gustavo Gordillo]

No. We support a democratic route to transformative change in the United States. We think that we need to put the working class before the billionaire class.

[Julian Epstein]

So you don't want to abolish the Senate? The United States Senate. Because that's what Article 1 is.

[Gustavo Gordillo]

The United States Senate is a non democratic institution. It gives more representation to people in smaller states than to the 30. 30 million.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So does he get. That's what's called the House of Representatives. So that's an example of. Of the socialists of America. They're not unthought out. I just don't agree with anything they say. Gustavo Guardiel was on with Martha MacCallum and he used to lead that organization. The DSA co chair. He's not anymore, but he still has got the same beliefs and he's pushing for the same candidates. Roger Zakheim couldn't be in a more. A more inverse organization. The Washington director of the Ronald Reagan Presidential foundation and Institute. Roger, these people want to have an intellectual Argument about socialism versus capitalism.

[Roger Zakheim]

Well, part of them wants to have this intellectual argument as we just heard with Martha, and we'll take that debate any day of the week. We are a democratic republic and our founders knew exactly what they were doing, that they didn't want to have the tyranny of a majority, that we had a Senate, that we had a Republican form of government to ensure the protection of minorities. Even Democratic socialists I suppose should be included in that. That. But you heard in that clip just a deep misunderstanding of the democratic socialists of what this democratic republic is about. Shocking that on our 250th year celebrating the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution that came after it, that you'd have people somehow suggesting that we are undemocratic. We are the longest surviving democratic country in the world.

[Gustavo Gordillo]

World.

[Roger Zakheim]

And that's because of the genius of our founders balancing all the interests. You know the other thing, Brian, that didn't come up in that clip, but it's not just intellectual arguments they pursue. They pursue elements within democratic socialism, alleyway tactics, intimidation and the like which is impacting Democratic members of Congress today. And I'm happy to talk about some of those examples. But don't separate their tactics that are, that are using violence, intimidation from sort of the intellectual arguments that some of these smiling faces are making in national media.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Listen to this. Gustavo Cordello. Talk about the problem with landlords cut 20.

[Gustavo Gordillo]

The problem we're facing in our housing system is that we talk about tenants and we say they have to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. They have to be responsible financially. But when we look at the landlords, we don't, we don't use those same standards. Landlords in New York have been making a 12% return on their investment for

[Julian Epstein]

on average, should they make what's fair for the landlord to make?

[Gustavo Gordillo]

If you don't like 12, they're complaining that 12 is not enough. And we don't think that anyone should have a constitutional right to double digit returns on their investment.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. Do you believe that nobody should have a double digit return on your investment?

[Roger Zakheim]

You know what I think people should have the opportunity to build, Brian. And if you look at what just went through the US Congress, our friend French Hill, the chairman of the Financial Services Committee, they passed a housing bill and fundamental housing bill was to get after the problem by what? Increasing supply. That's what the landlords actually can't do. The reason why the prices are high, as you know, you live in that city, is because there's so much red tape so many limitations on the ability to build. And we got to think about what policies actually drive more housing. And I'm telling you this, it ain't capping rents or rent control because ultimately what that means that people get out of the business, people don't want to build.

[Marco Rubio]

Right.

[Roger Zakheim]

And so these guys just have it upside down.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Also, it's not just Mandami and the DSA people. There are people that aren't members of the DSA that act like it. Like aoc, like Abdul El Sayed Aid. You know, this guy's confronted about what he. How he envisions the country. You're not debating anymore my vision for the country. You're debating why we have a country. He is, of course, running for the Senate seat in Michigan. Cut 21.

[Brian Mast]

And as we think about that 250th anniversary, it behooves us to think honestly and critically about the complicated history of our country. Country that was built on the accommodation of slavery. A country where for most of that

[Brian Kilmeade]

250 years, women struggled to have any

[Brian Mast]

participation in our system.

[Brian Kilmeade]

A country that even after we abolished

[Brian Mast]

slavery, we still contend with the legacy of Jim Crow and segregation. Segregation and structural racism. Even today, a country that was built

[Brian Kilmeade]

on Indian removal, that has never made Native Americans whole. So nice. Uplifting remarks on her 250th birthday. Anything good about the country that you

[Donald Trump]

want to run on?

[Roger Zakheim]

I mean, he's really competing. Mamdani. It's like the race to the bottom. These guys, in terms of what they want to do. You know, actually it's not even the most disturbing thing I've heard heard from this candidate for U.S. senate. I saw over the weekend that he was saying how people in Dear. Dearborn, Michigan, were lamenting, were mourning the loss of life when we targeted and ultimately killed the leader of Iran. Unbelievable. I mean, this is what they mourn.

[Senator Jim Banks]

I know.

[Admiral James G. Stavridis]

This is.

[Brian Kilmeade]

By the way, he was confronted with that Statement by on CNN. Cut 20. Cut 22. Twenty weeks ago, when Iran's supreme Leader was killed, you told your staff, according to audio obtained by the Washington Free Beacon, quote, there are a lot of people in Dearborn who are sad today. So, like, I just don't want to comment on Khamenei at all. Unquote. I thought that quote was interesting because

[Roger Zakheim]

the Ayatollah has killed tens of thousands

[Brian Kilmeade]

of innocent Iranians, not to mention the proxy agencies that Iran has funded that have killed innocent civilians all over the Middle East. Why were you worried about offending people who support the AYATOLLAH Jake. On a day where we're mourning the loss of two more service members in a war we never should have fought, I think all of us ought to step back and ask whether or not everybody in Michigan, frankly, everybody in America shouldn't be sad about the fact that this president, backed by the Prime Minister of a foreign government, took us to

[Brian Mast]

a war we had no business fighting in.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So yeah, I didn't want to comment on it then because it's a ridiculous pretext. What? He just does not want to answer the question because he knows it's 100% true. And the pretext is called a quote. He was on tape.

[Roger Zakheim]

It's, it's so absurd. The Democratic socialists, this candidate, the enemy is their ally. I mean, there's no question you look at 80 plus percent of the American people for good reason, view the Islamic Republic of Iran as an adversary because from the beginning of that regime, they kidnapped and held hostage for, you know, our diplomats for 444 days and every day since, they have sought to kill Americans to undermine American interests. And the fact that he can't connect those dots to this operation that the President is carrying out right now with our forces means that he has an entirely different conception of what is in America's interest, what is on our national security interests. And that's the heart of the Democratic Socialists. I mean, their platform is to remove sanctions against Iran, to remove sanctions against Cuba and to sanction Israel. It is entirely upside down.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It is.

And lastly, Roger, do you think there should be an open primary in 28 or should just better off rallying behind JD Vance?

[Roger Zakheim]

Look, I think we should follow the process that the Republican Party has, has followed year after year. I mean, I go back to 1976. Brian, you know this well, right. Ultimately, the issue around President, the Vice President Vance is whether or not the policies that he's advocating, the approach he's taking, the controversy right now over his support and backing of the memorandum and understanding is a policy question, Brian. Right. It's a question of whether or not his outlook is one that Republicans will support and nominate. The Vice President almost always, I mean, gets the nomination. I think we could expect as much. But in 1976, you had a sitting Republican president seeking the Republican nomination and someone named Governor Ronald Reagan challenged him. He didn't win, but he redefined the debate. He wanted to bring morality and foreign policy back. In 1976, he didn't win in 76. He ultimately won 1980. And I think the Republican Party should continue to live up to that standard by having a vibrant debate in the nominating contest and ultimately at the convention.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah. If the president doesn't weigh in, it's going to be game on. If he does weigh in, it probably won't be Roger Zakheim. Always great. Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

[Michael Goodwin]

You bet.

[Brian Kilmeade]

All right, we come back, we recap the World cup and the World cup final with Jonathan Hunt. Did all the coverage for Fox News. He's chief correspondent. Back in a moment.

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[Donald Trump]

The

[Brian Kilmeade]

talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmeade.

[Senator Jim Banks]

Well, indeed.

[Gianni Infantino]

It's my first World Cup. From from bit to completion, it has been a long journey. It has been named Fred. It has been fantastic. It has been a great journey. But the World cup itself has exceeded all expectations. Not just broke all the records, smashed all the records. The world was part of it, was excited. He had a celebration of 39 days. We had 104 Super Bowls. We had full stadiums. We had great atmospheres, fantastic goals.

[Brian Kilmeade]

World champion like Spain, I mean, he was pretty happy. Johnny Infantino, am I right? Jonathan Hunt.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yeah, really happy. $15 billion of revenue makes anybody happy, right?

[Brian Kilmeade]

How much do we keep? Not mean you, but the America like does U.S. soccer, any of that, Dino?

[Jonathan Hunt]

I think it goes to some of it goes to each of the soccer federations. What we, what our slice of that is, I don't know. But I hope they use it wisely.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right. So we look at that game yesterday. What do you think the quality?

[Jonathan Hunt]

It wasn't the most thrilling game. I thought the quality of the soccer Spain played for soccer purists was pretty incredible. The way they kept possession, the way they stood up to some of the, I don't want to use the word bullying tactics of Argentina, but you know, getting very close to the line tactics of the arch. Some of the Argentinian players was great, but not, not a classic game. But World cup finals often are because every one of the 22 on that pitch at any one time are terrified of being the player that makes the mistake that gives the World cup away. So I think everybody's always a little nervous in those games, but by far the best team in the tournament ended up winning the tournament.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, there's no doubt about it. And they'll be the first one to host at least a portion of a World cup as champions.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yeah, it's gonna be really interesting. 20, 30, they host along with Portugal and Morocco. And they're going to do A couple of games, I believe FIFA early on in Uruguay and Argentina, which is where the first World cup took place in 1930. So they're marking the 100 years with that. But it'll be great. You can imagine the support Spain is going to have. And that's a young team. They are still going to be there. Most of those players are still going to be there in 20, 30. They'll be hard to beat at home.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I'm very curious to see if America will start sending some of their coaches to the Spanish academies.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And start learning some of their tactics and training techniques.

[Jonathan Hunt]

I knew because you and I have talked about the players learning, but yeah, you're absolutely right. The coaches learning from that kind of quality of coaching would be amazing. And I think you mentioned before when we were talking about Scaloni, the Argentinian coach, being a student at one point of Luis de la Fuente, the. The Spanish coach. So if you could get that kind of coaching expertise into the American system, you know, we're all going to benefit.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So wonder what you're going to benefit. What's going to change? Are they still going to have. Have the. They're still going to have the water breaks every half. Are they still going to have a half hour halftime show and are they going to do anything with videotape, replay first off on the. On the water breaks?

[Jonathan Hunt]

The what? I hope not. I understand the water breaks. If the, if the conditions are extreme, I don't think it should become a part of the game.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Even if they're making $200 million.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Right. They obviously, obviously there's a financial element to that, but I think soccer traditionally has been played 45 minutes nonstop, pretty much. I think they should go back to that. Unless it's extreme, which it will in Saudi Arabia in 2034. Yeah, they might need water breaks, but other than that, no, I get the

[Brian Kilmeade]

sense that they're going to continue with the halftime show. I think he liked the feedback he got, but I asked him, also the president of FIFA about var. Are you going to change anything? Cut seven. You gotta look to refine the bar.

[Gianni Infantino]

Always, always. We need to refine everything that we have. We need to define our laws, our rules. Var, the offside rule, for example, this was one of the, I think of the learnings as well of this, of this world have this marginal offside. It's offside because the law says it's off side, that we should maybe look into it and make it more spectacular for offensive game. We are testing it right now. Sorry. Always looking to improve, always looking to make it more exciting. Always looking to bring more people.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, I don't know what happened with the audio on that, but basically he knows he has to change it. Yeah, I would. I don't know. You know, the whole thing would happen. The U.S. it turns out you should not be watching back fouls in slow motion. They did.

[Jonathan Hunt]

That was the biggest mistake of Var throughout the whole tournament, the Baligan situation. Yet the referee didn't even award a foul at all in real time. And then they caught them, Var got involved, they called him over, and you freeze that with Baligan's foot on top of the. The other player's ankle. And yeah, it looks bad, but it's in. You have to have common sense in these things. It was a terrible decision.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So it was. And then when you look at what should be done. So, for example, a red card happens. Should you watch it back and say, well, I overreacted to that, or I don't think he could have stopped.

[Senator Jim Banks]

And.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And when it comes to the offside, if it's. If it just literally by an eighth of a yard, do you stay up? Technically, yes. But you removing the human element from it. Well, that's the point of the videotape replay. It would be no doubt, if you're out of bounds, you're out of bounds. But if you're barely off on. If you're barely offside.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And notice they change. It even is on.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Used to be even is off.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So do you want to.

[Michael Makofsky]

That.

[Jonathan Hunt]

I, you know, I think the offside one is a really difficult one, but when you see somebody who has literally like the. The width of a toenail in front or. Or even an elbow leaning in front, it doesn't make sense to me. I think they knit. It's. Those are really tough decisions, though, because where do you draw the line? Do you say, okay, if he's 3 inches or if he's 2 inches, there's a line that has to be drawn. So literally, I. I don't know that, but they need to have discussions about the use of it and.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, and just about out. And just about. I see the goal line every single time. Did it was a ball in? Absolutely.

[Brian Mast]

Let me.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Let me know if it's in like tennis. But I just also think referees are looking over their shoulder going, well, doesn't matter. If I don't see a penalty, they'll put it up. They'll call me in my ear and tell me to go look at it.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Right.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So I don't think it's good for the refs either.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yeah, I did. Yeah, you're absolutely right. They don't, I don't think the refs want to be second guessed all the time and the refereeing generally is very, very good and they, they call it as they see it. Yeah. I think you have to think egregious error is the only time that VAR comes in. But, but I don't know. It's obviously very complex question that they're going to have to look at with every one of the federations involved and everybody's going to have a different view, I think.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So how is the new. How is the LA Post doing in Los Angeles?

[Jonathan Hunt]

It's doing pretty well, I think. California, they're, they're digging up some good stories that. Doing stories that you're not going to see in the LA Times, for instance. And I think they are making a difference to the media landscape there.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I think that. Does that help Steve Hilton maybe have at least an outlet?

[Jonathan Hunt]

Oh, well, it's one of the few outlets certainly that's going to give Steve Hilton a fair shake in the run up to the, to the election. So I don't think it certainly doesn't hurt him. We'll see. But you know, he's, he's out there. He's talking a lot of common sense that I think a lot of Californians would agree with with. His problem is, is that there's not a blue estate in the country. So it's hard to win a statewide race as a Republican there. But I think there's a good, there's a real groundswell of support for him. Whether it's enough to get him across the line, I don't know.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You know what's interesting is as people look at the voting process in Los Angeles, does anyone not embarrassed by that? Embarrassed that it taken forever to count votes?

[Michael Goodwin]

10.

[Jonathan Hunt]

I think they're going to really look at that as well because they've got to change it, obviously.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Would they listen to you if you told them to?

[Jonathan Hunt]

Nobody listens to me, Brian. Not even in my own family, which.

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