RFK Jr. Demands New ICD Medical Code For "Trump Derangement Syndrome"

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Brian Kilmeade Show (May 22, 2026)

Episode Theme:
This episode, hosted by Mary Walter (in for Brian Kilmeade), tackles a range of hot-button topics, including the legitimacy of "Trump Derangement Syndrome" (TDS) as a medical diagnosis, fraud in government-funded programs, and cultural divisions rooted in therapy culture and political polarization. Key guests include Lt. Col. Allen West, therapist-author Jonathan Alpert, and James Whaley of Mission Roll Call.

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1. Main Theme & Episode Purpose

• The main focus is a lively, multi-segment discussion centered on whether Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) should be recognized as a diagnosable medical condition (with its own ICD code), as suggested by RFK Jr. and comedian Adam Carolla.
• The episode explores increasing political polarization, the impact of therapy culture, the integrity of government programs, and how Americans can commemorate Memorial Day meaningfully amidst a divided nation.

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2. Key Discussion Points & Insights

A. Ken Paxton vs. John Cornyn: Texas Politics & Trump’s Influence

(02:05–05:37)

• Guest Lt. Col. Allen West breaks down the political dynamics behind Trump’s endorsement of Ken Paxton.
• West suggests Trump's endorsement reflects grassroots Republican sentiments and notes Cornyn's "anti-Second Amendment" record and establishment ties were liabilities in Texas.
  • West: "He's the type of guy that, you know, in the six year term, four years, you never hear from him in the last, you know, six months of right before reelection, you start to get more and hear more about him." (03:58)

B. Demographic Shifts and Security in Texas

(05:37–07:13)

• Discussion touches on the impact of Hispanic and Muslim populations, illegal immigration, and the rise of mosques.
• West asserts "Texas is being targeted" by groups that oppose traditional values, citing the role of organizations like CAIR.

C. DNC Autopsy Report: Democratic Party Direction

(09:45–13:10)

• Mary Walter discusses with West the incomplete release of the DNC’s “autopsy report” following the 2024 election, raising questions about transparency and party vision.
• West harshly criticizes the party’s direction:
  • West: "The Democrat Party right now is a tone deaf, brain dead party..." (11:17)
  • Asserts the party no longer represents traditional working Americans and is “aligning itself with Islamic terrorists.”

D. The Changing Guard in the Democratic Party

(12:27–15:54)

• Pelosi’s fading influence and the rise of “the Squad” and Bernie Sanders are noted as signals of the party’s leftward shift.
• West: "They are out there like a ship at sea without a rudder...heading in no real definite direction." (13:10)
• Discusses internal Democratic Party fears and loss of centrist leadership.

E. Trump & the Republican Party’s Image Problem

(15:54–17:57)

• Emphasizes the need for Republicans to define themselves beyond attacking the left, to reach out to all demographics, especially in urban centers affected by failed liberal policies.
• Explores the impact of “Trump Derangement Syndrome” making rational discourse with some voters impossible.

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F. "Trump Derangement Syndrome" as a Medical Diagnosis

(37:23–59:10, 62:19–73:56, 74:11–80:30)

• RFK Jr. and Adam Carolla call for a legitimate ICD medical code for TDS.
• Mary Walter and her callers passionately discuss whether TDS is a real, clinically significant syndrome, citing personal experiences with friends and family who refuse contact over political disagreements.
• Several segments reflect on how political hatred, especially among the elderly and certain demographics, becomes all-consuming, leading to social isolation and emotional distress.
  • Mary Walter: "When a grown adult cannot control their emotions over somebody making a political decision, that you've got big issues." (69:44)
• Therapist Jonathan Alpert, author of Therapy Nation, offers expert commentary:
  • Alpert: "I've been very, very concerned about what I'm seeing in a lot of patients...People are obsessed with Trump, they're highly anxious with all matters related to Trump...it looks a lot like other disorders." (51:45)
• Robust listener call-in segment features stories about families divided by political animosity, exploring whether TDS is unique to Trump or a broader form of political preoccupation.

Notable Quotes:

• RFK Jr. (as played): “I told my staff today that we need an ICD code for Trump Derangement Syndrome because it is a real thing.” (56:04)
• Caller Marianne: "Most of my family doesn't speak to me...because it's not worth the confrontation." (62:22–62:40)

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G. Therapy Culture & Its Consequences

(37:23–46:32)

• Jonathan Alpert discusses how “therapy speak” has become ubiquitous and how Americans’ proclivity for self-diagnosis and pathologizing ordinary life experiences is fueling anxiety and division.
  • Alpert: "Therapists are very quick to label people...and then self-diagnosed and, you know, we have therapy culture that's just everywhere." (39:13)
• Mary Walter ties this phenomenon to increased political intolerance, the rise of “my truth,” and a victim mentality.

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H. Memorial Day & Mission Roll Call

(18:45–31:13)

• Guest James Whaley encourages listeners to observe Memorial Day meaningfully—emphasizing its solemn nature and the importance of honoring fallen service members and supporting their families.
• Whaley shares personal anecdotes about veteran struggles and successful reintegration, highlighting the impact of Mission Roll Call’s efforts in bridging policy with individual needs.

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I. Major Fraud in Taxpayer-Funded Programs

(92:36–109:17)

• Extensive analysis of rampant multimillion-dollar fraud in Minnesota’s Medicaid, autism, and housing programs.
• Law enforcement, including Dr. Oz, underline both the criminal and human cost—children falsely labeled as autistic, programs for the vulnerable collapsed, and widespread systemic failure.
  • Colin McDonald: “An autism program that cost the taxpayer $600,000 just six years ago skyrocketed to over $400 million...it is fraud.” (98:26)
• Listeners and hosts underscore widespread public apathy due to “the numbers being so big” and demand accountability for officials turning a blind eye.

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3. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Ken Paxton has enough baggage to fill up a C-17 cargo aircraft.” – Lt. Col. Allen West (04:33)
• “You can't win by sitting back...You have to be on offense.” – Lt. Col. Allen West (16:16)
• “If you're a fraudster, do not walk away from this press conference – run.” – Dr. Oz (99:59)
• “They have to scream and yell in the middle of a parking lot...and it is mostly women, sorry ladies. But it is mostly women.” – Mary Walter on TDS (59:10)
• “Therapists are very quick to label people...Therapy has become almost like a lifestyle.” – Jonathan Alpert (39:13, 47:41)

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4. Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:05 – Texas Senate endorsement battle: Paxton vs. Cornyn
• 09:45 – The DNC’s incomplete “autopsy report”
• 11:17 – West on Democratic Party's shift
• 15:54 – Republican renewal, MAGA’s influence, and outreach needs
• 37:23 – Therapy culture, diagnosis, and impact on society (with Jonathan Alpert)
• 51:45 – Alpert on TDS as clinical phenomenon
• 56:04 – RFK Jr.: “...need an ICD code for Trump Derangement Syndrome”
• 62:22 – Caller’s personal experience with family conflict over TDS
• 74:11 – Joy Behar, Trump Rx, and TDS on “The View”
• 92:36 – Major Medicaid and autism fraud revealed; Dr. Oz and law enforcement reactions
• 98:26 – Autism program fraud cost explosion
• 99:59 – Dr. Oz on fraud and its consequences

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5. Flow, Tone, & Listener Engagement

• Tone & Language: Conversational, fast-paced, with pointed humor and straight talk.
• Engagement: Frequent call-ins showcase the intensely personal and divisive impact of current politics.
• Original Language Preserved: The summary quotes and character of the host and guests match their original tone—mix of sarcasm, candor, and emotional investment.

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Conclusion

This episode stands out for its candid exploration of American political and cultural rifts, asking whether the emotional fallout from Trump-era politics is not just social but clinically significant. Through diverse guest perspectives and caller stories, the show highlights how therapy culture, political obsession, and government mismanagement converge—raising questions about both our mental health and the health of our institutions. Lastly, the Memorial Day segment brings a solemn reminder to honor service and community, even amid division and dysfunction.

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Transcript

[Brian Kilmeade]

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[Mary Walter]

welcome to the Brian Kilmeade Show. I'm Mary Walter sitting in for the one and only Brian Kilmeade. I know I can't fill his shoes, but I do fit comfortably in his chair. You are always welcome to join me at 86640 7669. Love when you give me a call, but we have to interact like adults. No talking over each other, no yelling, no screaming, please, no swearing and we'll have a grand old time. I hope you can also reach out to me on X. Just tag me in a post on X at Mary Walter Radio. No s and just say what you want to say there and I will hopefully be able to multitask and get to that. Also, my live cast is live on Tuesdays. It's 7:15pm Eastern Time. It is live on Rumble, YouTube and Getter8. The audio is available on Apple Podcast, Spotify and Spreaker. For all of my guests on the podcast, if you're listening to it later. Coming up later this hour, James Whaley will be joining us from Mission Roll Call to talk about the upcoming Memorial Day celebration on Monday. And speaking of my podcast, this guest is often on my podcast. He's been a guest several times. Lt. Col. Allen west is with us. He's the executive director of the American Constitutional Rights Union. He's a former Florida congressman and he is an author as well. There is nothing the man can't do. Colonel, welcome to this show. Thank you for joining me.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Well, it's a pleasure to be with you, Mary. And I still have not mastered the art of the dunk, so there's something that I can't do.

[Mary Walter]

Okay, well, you know, everybody's got a flaw and you found yours and it's really not that bad. You can follow him on X. Allen A L L Ian, thank you so much again for being here. It's always a great, great day when I started with you.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

So my pleasure.

[Mary Walter]

I want to talk to you about, since you're in Texas, let's talk about the endorsement of Ken Paxton over John Cornyn. This was a big deal and I understand why President Trump did it, but was it the right choice?

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Well, I think the right choice is the choice of the people. And I think that the president held off until, you know, as late as he possibly could. He made endorsement on the second day of early voting in this runoff. Today is the last day of early voting and the runoff election itself will be on next Tuesday. So I think that the president maybe saw some trends, indicators that Ken Paxton was, you know, pulling ahead. Because you look at this past week, I believe if I got the numbers right, the president was 37, 37 in all of his primary candidate support. Now, I didn't think he wanted to have a bad, you know, outcome here in Texas. So I think he made a. I think he made the choice of the grassroots people here in Texas. And we'll see what happens in the general election. It's going to be ugly, I can tell you that.

[Mary Walter]

So does it have anything, do you think his endorsement has anything to do with the fact that John Thune and Susan Collins and Mitch McConnell were all pulling for Cornyn and they're not necessarily President Trump's favorite people?

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Well, of course. I mean, what you see happening in the nrsc, I believe the National Republican Senatorial Committee kind of, I believe, put out a little message they weren't happy with the president making that endorsement because you do have that protectionist society of the GOP establishment that aligned with John Cornyn. But John Cornyn has made some votes, some decisions, especially his anti second Amendment stance that he has taken and, you know, siding with red flag laws, which is a big, big no go here in the state of Texas. So I think those are the type of things that really hurt him. And, you know, he's the type of guy that, you know, in the six year term, four years, you never hear from him in the last, you know, six months of right before reelection, you start to get more and hear more about him. And I think President Trump saw through that, and I don't think that there was any chance that Senator Cornyn was going to get President Trump's endorsement.

[Mary Walter]

Now, do you think a lot of people point to Ken Paxton's troubles, legal troubles in the past? Do you think that any of that comes into play?

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Well, Ken Paxton has enough baggage to fill up a C17 cargo aircraft. And I think that that's what we'll hear about in the general election. There's no doubt about it, because the Democrats cannot, you know, run on James Talarico. They have to try to run against Ken Paxton if Ken Paxton ends up winning this runoff. So I think that's what you see that's going to come down the pipe. But James Talarico on the Democrat side, I mean, between Talarico and Jasmine Crockett, the Democrats did not have anyone to offer to be a viable candidate for a Senate here in the state of Texas. But we have to be very careful in Texas because the major population centers, you know, Dallas county here, where I am, Austin, Travis County, Houston, Harris County, El Paso, El Paso County, San Antonio, Bexar county, they're blue. And so those population centers, we've got to make sure that we turn out a good percentage of vote to make sure that we can be strong. You cannot continue to just rely on east and West Texas to win Texas, right?

[Mary Walter]

Yeah, no, absolutely. Texas is just so huge and it just differs so much the population. It's a. It's a country within itself because you do have the rural areas, you have the ranchers, you. You have the Austin, you know, and Houston. You have the cities that are more left, you have the coast. So there's just so much. And huge swaths of suburbs. You have a growing Muslim population as well there. You have a large Hispanic population, too. So there's a lot of elements to Texas.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Well, the thing about the Hispanic population down in south Texas in 2024, 13 or 15 of those border counties went to President Trump because illegal immigration is a big deal, and it still remains a big deal. Dallas and Houston are a couple of your top cities when it comes to human sex trafficking here in the United States of America. So that's still something very prevalent. And I think that the issue of the Islamic incursion into Texas is going to play out huge. It is playing out as a big. In the runoff for Attorney General here between Congressman Chip Roy and State Senator Mayes Middleton. Because what we see happening up here in North Texas, I think someone just said the 263rd mosque was just opened up here in the state of Texas. And I believe that Texas is being. Yeah, Texas is being targeted by, you know, CAIR and others, because if you can topple Texas, then you can topple, you know, any other state in the country. And you do see this alignment, I call it the Red Green alliance between the Marxists and the Salamis and is very prevalent here in Texas.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah, no, I see the reports, but that's a topic that we could maybe delve into on another time, get into that a little bit more, because I do think some areas, it seems, are targeted. Somalis were put in, in certain states, you know, in the Midwest of the country. Like, why there? Why would you put them there? Yeah, so, you know, they were targeted areas. And they don't leave that area. It becomes. And they don't assimilate, and then it just becomes almost like an island unto itself in the middle the state. But we don't have time to do that now. I would like to. Coming up on the other side of the break, I'd like to ask you about the DNC autopsy report. So we'll do that, but very quickly. But before we go to the break, very quickly, President Trump says it's time to stop playing with the clocks. And he is pushing the Sunshine Protection act will be making daylight savings time permanent. It's part of a vote today in the Energy and Commerce Committee. Now, he chose that 50% of the people are going to be unhappy. It's just the way it is. Some people want it late in the morning, some people want it late in the afternoon. He's chosen dark in the morning, late in the afternoon. What do you think?

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

I'm fine with that. I like the light going on to the afternoon. But I think a lot of people will be happy with not having these clocks going back and forth because you always get someone showing up at the wrong time.

[James Whaley]

At church on Sunday, I just, I

[Mary Walter]

don't mind falling behind. But when I was working a morning show springing forward, we were walking into walls for like two weeks. It was really, it's really, you have no idea. And more people have heart attacks in the spring when you fall out, when you jump forward, when you spring forward, the heart attack rate goes up. See, so it's not healthy.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Well, lucky, luckily for me, I have a pacemaker, so I'm okay. My pacemaker. Pay attention to the daylight sunlight.

[Mary Walter]

Well, you are very lucky. We should all get them. Maybe this will solve that problem. All right, coming up, we'll talk about the autopsy, the DNC autopsy report, partially that came out, not all of it. They're treating it like the Epstein files. It's kind of weird. That's coming up next with Lt. Col. Alan west here on the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[Brian Kilmeade]

From breaking news to big name guests, Brian brings you insight you won't hear anywhere else. You're listening to the Brian Kilmeade show. Radio. That makes you think this is the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[Mary Walter]

I think it's pretty unbelievable that Gaza

[Caller or Guest]

would not be mentioned once in the autopsy report.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

I mean, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that Gaza

[Jonathan Alpert]

was one of the big issues in the 2024 election. I don't really care. I mean, I'm not sure those are the right people to diagnose what went wrong with the election.

[Mary Walter]

A lot of us have theories.

[Jonathan Alpert]

A lot of it was unavoidable. So this story hasn't interested me for a long time.

[Mary Walter]

And there you go. That was aoc, of course, and then Rocana and the last one, Chris Murphy, he didn't care. Frankly, I don't care. I don't know if those are the right people to analyze. What went wrong? What were they talking about? The DNC's autopsy report. You know, you go back and you look, okay, what did we do wrong? You do an analysis and you find out where, where we could do better next time. It's a pretty common thing to do, but the DNC did it. And this hasn't been really released in full. They Ken Martin, the DNC chair. Ken Martin didn't want to release the report. He said the sourcing was weak, it was incomplete, which I don't know how that happens. So he did release some of it and it is pretty incomplete. And so now they're trying to figure out what went wrong with just that little snippet. Joining us, Lieutenant Colonel Allen west is still here with us. So, sir, what do you think is going on with this report? They didn't want to release it at all to begin with and they say that the sourcing's weak, it's incomplete. What's going on?

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Well, I just think that what is happening is that they don't want to admit that they're completely wrong on all of the issues, even when they try to talk about affordability. They didn't want to talk about affordability during the Biden administration when everyone else was suffering under those policies. Look, the Democrat Party right now is a tone deaf, brain dead party to say that Gaza was not mentioned. I mean, why would Gaza need to be mentioned? Because the only thing I can see is that in the Islamic terrorist organization that the United States of America has designated so, Hamas went across border, attacked a sovereign nation, brutally murdered, raped, killed, and even, you know, put babies in ovens. And we're supposed to be talking about Gaza. I mean, for what? That area is controlled by a terrorist organization. And if the Democrat Party, which now has really become a Marxist group, is aligning itself with Islamic terrorists, then they are tone deaf to understand that that's not what the people want. So I don't think that any autopsy report is going to change the direction that this party's heading.

[Mary Walter]

So I guess part of the problem for the Democrats is that Nancy Pelosi is done aging out. I mean, like she's, she's really stepped back, she is fading back. And she was the driving power that held that party together. I don't like her policies. But I admire her political abilities. She was definitely a leader. Right. So without her, though, who is the leader of the Democrat Party at this point? Barack Obama.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

They don't have a leader? Well, no, I mean, Barack Obama is all about Barack Obama. And when you remember him being in the White House, I mean, he lost countless amounts of House seats, Senate seats, gubernatorial Manchester, state Senate and state House seats. So he's about himself. And I don't see Hakeem Jeffries.

[James Whaley]

No.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

He's not the leadership type. Aoc, Bernie Sanders. No. And so what you see is a party that is out there like a ship at sea without a rudder. It has no means by which it can steer itself. It is still ship at sea, but it is heading in no real definite direction. So the only direction that I see this party headed into is a far left Marxist direction. And that is antithetical to who we are as the American people and our founding documents. And then furthermore, this alignment with Islamists that also shows. Look at some of the people that they have running. Look at, you know, Zoramdani, look at the senatorial candidate, the Democrat senatorial nominee, I'm sorry, out of Michigan, those type of people, Hassan Piker, that they're interviewing at the New York Times, and he's talking about political assassinations. No, they're going in the wrong direction. And again, they have separated themselves from the core of the American people, the working American people.

[Mary Walter]

But in all of this being said, I agree with you on everything. Nancy Pelosi had the chance to rein the squad in so that they would not go down this road as a party. So for all of her political acumen, she blew that when the squad was sitting in her office, like the second day they were elected, when the second day they were sworn in, they were sitting in her office and protesting. She didn't kick him out. She, I think she was surprised and didn't quite know how to handle how outrageous the squad was with their behavior. And she enabled it. So isn't this not ultimately Nancy Pelosi's fault as well?

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Well, the. The old guard of the Democrat Party, I mean, look at Chuck Schumer. The old guard of the Democrat Party is now, in deference to the young leftist radical, are taking over their party and they are afraid of them. There is nothing they can do to them. What they believe is that they have to parrot their talking points. They have to lurch to the left right along with them because they want to have political survival even in their aged, waning years. So I think that what you see is really an absurd, a very dangerous changing of the guard in the party that we once knew as the Democratic Party. Look, my parents growing up in the inner city of Atlanta, Georgia were Democrats. They would not be a part of this party today because they believe in those strong conservative values of faith, family and freedom and liberty and service to the country and hard work ethic and quality education. So no Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and all this old guard, they're afraid. Look at what's happening in Massachusetts where Ed Markey is being challenged by Seth Moulton. I don't know where that'll end up, but the fact that that's happening, that tells you something.

[Mary Walter]

So what is happening on the right though? You know, Donald Trump obviously has clearly exerted his, his power over the Republican Party. He's made it maga, he's reshaped the party. You were saying earlier, look at his endorsements in the primaries. He had a perfect record. Right. He got them all 100%.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Look at Thomas Massie. Look what happened to those state senators in Indiana. I mean, that tells you something. But again, I think it's very important that the Republican Party draws a clear delineation between who they are and how they're going to govern, as opposed to the Marxist left leftists that have taken over the Democrat Party. You've got, you can't win by sitting back and saying these guys on the other side are just that bad. They're just that crazy. You have to be on offense. You've got to show people why they should vote for you. And you've got to make those connections. And I mean, making connections across all demographics in this country. Blacks and Hispanics, I mean, look at the inner cities, the urban centers. They're a complete example of the failure of leftist policies. That's where Republicans should be going in and making more inroads.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah, I just think that there are so many people who suffer from TDS who they just will not vote for Republican because they think, oh well, they're a Republican. Well, I hate Trump. So I saw a video of Spencer. Someone in LA is, hey, you're gonna vote for Spencer Pratt? And they're walking dog. She says a dog is, you know, he wants to stop them injecting the dogs on the streets to see if the fentanyl is any good. She goes, well, he's a republic, he's a Republican. So she won't vote for.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Yeah, I mean that. You just can't get beyond it. But I'm starting to believe that that's the 35 to 42% of folks. I believe, truthfully, Mary, that 55 to 60%, they have the common sense to be able to do the right thing when they are, when they hear about the right thing. And I think that that's the whole part of the messaging and the marketing and the communications that has happened. Spencer Pratt may end up surprising a lot of people.

[James Whaley]

People.

[Mary Walter]

I hope so. I hope so. You have a lot, you have a lot more faith than I do in man. God, we got around. Lt. Col. Alan west, have a wonderful weekend and thank you so much for taking time to join me here. Coming up next, James WH Will be joining us from Mission Roll Call. We'll talk about the Memorial Day weekend here on the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Breaking news, unique opinions, hear it all on the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[Mary Walter]

Welcome to the Brian Kilmeade Show. Mary Walter sitting in for Brian. You can join me at 8-ton-87669. Loving you. Give me a call, tell me your opinions, even if you disagree with me. And if you can't do that, you can always tag me in a post on Xarywalter Radio. Let's talk about why we have Monday off with James Whaley. He's retired army lieutenant colonel and the CEO of Mission Roll Call. They're a friend of the show. You can find them at missionrollcall.org or on X at Mission Roll Call. James, welcome back to the Brian Kilmeade Show. Hello. How are you?

[Caller or Guest]

You?

[James Whaley]

I'm doing well, Mary. Thank you so much. Having me on. And that's important occasion that's coming up on Monday.

[Mary Walter]

Yes, let's talk about that. You know, Memorial Day to me is always, it's always dicey in that I have friends who are veterans and I always reach out to them on Veterans Day, of course. But then I'm like, do I reach out to them on Memorial Day, too?

[James Whaley]

Well, you know, Memorial Day is a little bit different because it really is designed to reflect upon those that gave the ultimate sacrifice for our country. And I think it's time for the entire nation to do that, right. We lost 7,057 during the war on terror. We've lost nearly 1.3 million over the history of our nation. And so you think about those families, the brothers, the sisters, the mothers, fathers, what impact that has. So, you know, it's a solemn occasion that I think sometimes people lose sight of and just take it as a day off, right?

[Mary Walter]

Oh, I agree. 100% but I think people also have this weird thing of like, well, what, how exactly do I commemorate this day? Is a question I think a lot of people have is like, you know, flying your flag, obviously. Yes. But it's not a happy. It's not a celebratory day off. And I think that's where it's different from all the other ones.

[James Whaley]

I agree. I always get a little upset when I see Memorial Day sales, you know, because I'm just like, well, that's not really what this day should be about. But I understand that One way to look at it is that that ultimate sacrifice that so many people gave for the freedom of our country allows us to go and have a happy day, allows us to go out and meet with family and friends. I think you're never wrong when you meet a veteran saying, thank you for your service. Tell me a little bit about your time in service and let them just kind of explain a little bit and talk a little bit about what they've done. You see them light up when you do that. And it doesn't matter what age they are, they rem with unbelievable clarity just about every day they were in service and what they did. So I know that you do that. We've talked about that before. And one of the other times that we talked about about what you do and if everybody did, what you did would be in a much better place as a country.

[Mary Walter]

I think, well, I should tell my husband that I make the world a better place. I wouldn't go that far, but yeah, that's.

[James Whaley]

It sounds like there's a gift involved with that.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Yeah.

[Mary Walter]

So I was thinking about this because again, every Memorial Day, my gosh, do I reach out to my friends. As I said, I wasn't quite sure. And I thought, is this something. Where would it be a good idea in order to instill appreciation for the country, which I think is lacking in children? Is this something, Is this a time where parents take their kids to like a veteran's cemetery, or is this that not appropriate?

[James Whaley]

I think that is absolutely important to do. And if you don't have the ability to do that, you can show them something that shows the Arlington Cemetery or have them sit down and talk to a veteran. I think that connection is important. We have about 18 million veterans in our country, but of course they're dispersed and only right now actively 1% of our population serves. And that's really mind boggling when you think about the op tempo and all the things that are going on in the world. I think it's very important to have your children and young people understand this. And, you know, I have to be honest, when my daughters were going to school, there were some high school teachers that really pushed them away from wanting to go to the academy. For example, one of my daughters ended up going to the military academy and graduating from the military academy, and the teachers were very decidedly against that. So I think we as parents just can't assume that when we hand our children over to a school that they're going to instill to them the importance of what service looks like, what serving your country is all about. The important aspects of why we have people in the military. We have to take that on as brothers, sisters, uncles and aunts and mom and dads to make sure that happens. It's very important. Important that, you know, this is a nostat.

[Mary Walter]

This, this holiday is tough for the families. As you started out saying here, this is. And I don't think we think of the families enough. We think of the person in uniform, but the whole family serves. And we've had this conversation. And that's why mission roll call so important, because it's not just the people in uniform, but it's also the families as well. Is this really more of a day of recognition for the families as opposed to service members who are here?

[James Whaley]

I think it's both. I think it's remembering those that did give the ultimate sacrifice, either in wartime or in training, but it's also to reach out to those families that have lost somebody. You know, I think it's important for us to always remember those that have fallen. But it's also important, vitally important, that we continue to serve those who come home and that we are measured as a nation not on this one day. And what we do in Memorial, it really is what are we doing for veterans and those families? 364 other days of the year.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah. Someone just sent me a text who's listening and said, my dad was always quick to remind me that Memorial Day doesn't honor servicemen and service women or veterans. It's a federal holiday in the United States remembering the people who died while serving in this country's armed forces. Don't let any politicians tell you otherwise. The number totals. Oh, I'm sorry. The number totals, almost half of which were in the Civil War. Fighting against one another, was first recognized in 1868. It was set on the last Monday in May, starting in 1971. Give those who gave the ultimate sacrifice for our nation more than a passing thought. Not only Monday, but throughout the year. Those are the things we need to instill in our kids.

[James Whaley]

Yeah, we certainly do, because I fear some of these things are politicized or glossed over or not emphasized to the amount that they should be. I mean, you think about and bravo to your listener who wrote that in because they were spot on. But you think about all the it's 1.3 million across our country's history. But you think about even since 911 and the war that we've had and what we're doing right now. When somebody does pass away, it's usually very early in their life. They had a full life ahead of them and it affects that family the rest of their lives on earth when they lose a son or a daughter or a brother or sister. I'll tell you a quick story.

[Mary Walter]

You know what? Actually, can you wait, hold on. Can you hold that? We'll go to the other side because I also want to quickly go into what just to remind people what Mission Roll Call does for maybe someone who's listening who hasn't heard about you, just a little bit about the resources that you provide as well. So just hang on. We've got more with Jim's James Whaley coming up here on the Brian Kilmeade

[Brian Kilmeade]

show, where big stories meet bigger conversations. Stay informed and energized with the Brian Kilmeade show, The fastest three hours in radio. You're with Brian Kilmer Meade.

[Mary Walter]

Welcome back to the Brian Kilmeade Show. Our guest is James Willey, retired Army lieutenant colonel and the CEO of Mission Roll Call. You can find them atmission roll call.org and that's what I want to talk to you about. Now, James, is your organization what you do? Just we don't have a lot of time. But exactly what Mission Roll Call does and what it offers veterans and their families.

[James Whaley]

Sure. Well, we take veterans voices and their families. We take those voices and amp them so that we turn awareness into action. And what we do is we identify where veterans are falling through cracks. We take all of our polling information, what veterans are telling us and we share that with good people like yourself so the word gets out. And we also share with decision makers in D.C. at the VA and at Congress. And we can take this polling and break it down to congressional district. So we've been able to influence a lot of important bills lately. We're able to bring up awareness so that bad decisions aren't being made. And we think this is very important because we have to come up with practical solutions that improve access to care, mental health support, transition services and just making sure veterans and their families are transitioning well, getting into the American way of life and being able to prosper and not suffer.

[Mary Walter]

And that's so important. And I also want to say here I thought it was so refreshing and so inspiring is the word to see Johnny Joey Jones reenlist in the Marine Corps. Here is a man who lost both of his legs, had every right to sit back, right and say, I gave, I gave two legs to service. He has severe damage to his arms as well. But he said, if there's an opportunity for me to serve, there's no reason why a no legged 40 year old staff sergeant should be able to put the uniform on other than these men believed it. And the goal here is to open that door for anyone else that has something left to give. And I thought that was so inspiring because I think part of the problem when these men and women come back into the country and they try to readjust to a civilian life, we know that that's tough. But seeing someone who says, wait, you still have a role you still can give regardless of what burdens you bear with you.

[Caller or Guest]

So how important is this?

[James Whaley]

It's so important. And congratulations to him. What a hero for doing that. What an inspiration to veterans in the country for doing something. You know, the same DNA that makes somebody want to join the military and serve the military, that whole idea of being part of something bigger than yourself and serving your country and serving those that are to the left and right of you, that doesn't turn off the day you get out of the military. That continues. And so we want to make sure, and this is one of the things we're helping veterans and their families do through our website that really plugs veterans into other veteran support organizations and get them to volunteer and get involved is service to the nation doesn't stop when you take off the uniform. We expect you to continue to serve. You just have to find that way to serve. And that's so important for veterans. Veterans are really great at helping other veterans. You give one a call and they'll stop what they're doing and run to you. What they're not so good about is raising their hand saying we need some help. But by bringing them together, we'll be able to identify that veteran, identify folks that need some, just a little bit of help to get over the hill that they're trying to climb right now. So that's what we're all about. We do it in a way that allows us, allows veterans and their families to go to our site, find out the latest news, plug into veteran support organizations. They can put their zip code in what they're looking for. We'll match them with an organization that they can get involved with. And we just think that it's so important that we do that and we encompass the entire family. Because when you are a spouse of a veteran or you're a child of a veteran, you're in the military, you just aren't getting paid for.

[Mary Walter]

Absolutely. Exactly. It is so, so important. And I like that the stigma of asking for help has been whittled away, you know, for our parents generation, for Vietnam, Korea, all those was. There was a stigma about asking for help, about needing help. You're supposed to be strong and, you know, just carry on. So I'm glad that we have decided that, you know, maybe that wasn't such a good way to handle things. So. So that stigma is now gone, which is fantastic. I just have one quick question. I just want to this because I think of these things when I get to speak. You know, we see so many homeless veterans on the streets, and with all the help that's out there with all the programs, with all the organizations like yours, how is this still happening?

[James Whaley]

There's a number of reasons. I'll try to make it quick because it is a complex issue. The challenge is we don't know how many veterans are homeless right now. We really don't. We will say 30 to 35,000 a night. The fact is it's much, much north of that. It's much larger than that. And the reason I say that is we only do one day a year in January. A point in time survey where volunteers go out to cities and count the homeless in our country. That's not the most scientific way of finding out where all your veterans are, where their families are. A mother who has children, who's a veteran, who's homeless is not going to raise her hand because she's worried about losing her kids. Some veterans are not identified as veterans because they don't want to be. We have veterans homeless in rural areas that are now accounted for.

[Caller or Guest]

Right.

[James Whaley]

So the number is larger than we think. Some states don't do a good job at it. Some counties do a horrible job at it. So it's a complex issue. And I think one of the challenges is that, you know, thereby the grace of God go I Right. Sometimes somebody gets out of the military, they have a job, but they're not really making a lot of money. And then a transmission goes out or they get a flat tire and they lose their job. And then. And it's one thing after another and they feel isolated because they're no longer with the men and women they served with. So it's a slippery slope that gets them to homelessness. But I've talked to a number of them and I'll tell you, it's almost like it's just one bad thing happened and then something else was the catalyst to make them homeless. We really need to make this a national priority because homelessness affects veterans. Soon side and veterans issues is a national security issue because we have an all volunteer force. We have to make sure that we take care of veterans because that has an impact on those that are raising their hand right now to join.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah, no, absolutely. And I think you're right. You see a lot of drugs and I think the drugs come from not being able to cope and not reaching out for help. And so they, for a lot of reasons, people wind up on drugs. And I think a lot of it has to do again with that issue, just not being able to cope, not being able to handle it. And so they, they wind up on the drugs and they wind up homeless and it's a downward spiral and it's very, sometimes very, very hard to get them help. But you guys do a great job. Thank you so much. MissionRollCall.org is the organization. Don't feel free to reach out to them. They are there to help you and please don't, don't feel ashamed or embarrassed because that's what, that's the stigma that these guys are trying to erase. James Whaley, thank you so much for joining me, especially on this Memorial Day weekend. Thank you so much. Much my pleasure.

[James Whaley]

Thank you so much for covering it.

[Mary Walter]

Absolutely. Okay, very quickly here, I want to get to cut 23. If we can do this. We've got a bit. Something else big is happening, is happening on Memorial Day weekend and it is one Don junior getting hitched. But will the Donald be there? The Donald be there.

[Dr. Oz]

Like me to go. But it's going to be just a small little private affair and I'm going

[Mary Walter]

to try and make it. I'm in the midst.

[Dr. Oz]

I said, you know, this is not good timing for me. I have a thing called Iran and other things. That's one I can't win on. If I do attend, I get killed. If I don't attend, I get killed. By the fake news. Of course I'm talking about. No, but he's got a very, a person who I've known for a time, long, long time. And hopefully they're going to have a great marriage.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully they will. But I get it and it's so funny. President Trump is absolutely right. I have seen so many posts saying that, oh, he can't go to his son's wedding. What kind of father is is that's the most important thing. And then other people, of course, if he decides not to go, the left is going to jump in. He started a war he needs. Why can't he stay here and take care of that to try to end the war? He's gone to a private island to watch his son get married and some in the Caribbean, wherever they're going. And it is not America. So the security issues you have to deal with as well. And then they'll complain, do many trips he took and how much money we had to pay for security for him. So he's absolutely right. If he doesn't go, he's a bad person. And if he goes, he's a bad person. And I think that Don Jr. Understands that. Hopefully. In other news though, John Don Jr. S ex wife, Vanessa, they're still very close, has breast cancer. She made that announcement. So a lot going on with the Trump family. So hopefully it'll all work out and hopefully they will have a good marriage. You're listening to the Brian Kilmeade show. Some follow the noise. Bloomberg follows the money. Whether it's the funds fueling AI or

[Jonathan Alpert]

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[Brian Kilmeade]

From high atop Fox News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sewing division, it's Brian Kilmeade.

[Mary Walter]

Welcome to the Brian Kill Mead Show.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Hello.

[Mary Walter]

How is everybody? Hope you're having a good day. I'm Mary Walter sitting in for Brian. And you know I love when you give me a call at 866-408-7669. Of course, when we're if we don't have a guest on obviously and I'd like you to be on topic. I don't think that's too much to ask. Just be on topic would be great. You can also find me at Mary Walter Radio on X. There's no S in that. It's just Mary Walter Radio. The live cast is live on Tuesdays 7:15pm time it's live on rumble, YouTube and get her just look for Mary Walter Radio. And then the audio is available on Apple podcasts, Spotify and Spreaker again. Look for Mary Walter, radio. Alright. Joining us is Jonathan Alpert. He is a therapist. He's the author of Therapy Nation. How America Got Hooked on Therapy and why It's Left Us More Anxious and Divided. You can find him on exit. Jonathan Alpert with a T. Jonathan, thank you so much for us joining, joining

[Jonathan Alpert]

me, Mary, thanks so much for having me. I appreciate it.

[Mary Walter]

This is great because I will tell you so. I'm a big fan of therapy. I think everybody needs it because everybody's messed up in their own little way. We all got our baggage, right? And then when we have problems later in life, we can't figure out why. So I think everybody needs a little bit of therapy. But as you point out, you point out something that I didn't realize. We have had so much therapy as a nation that people now talk like they're therapists all the time. Will psychoanalyze you on X based from eight words you put together in a sentence. And I personally blame Dr. Phil and Oprah for this phenomenon. But why does everyone now think, are we, are we not all running around like little mini psychotherapists?

[Jonathan Alpert]

I know, isn't it annoying when people say, my therapist says, I feel like those are the most annoying words anyone can utter. But yeah, Dr. Phil and Oprah certainly brought this into modern culture. But that seems like a long time ago at this point. And now we have therapists who I believe are putting this nonsense out there. They're really quick to diagnose people. They're pathologizing ordinary life experiences. So let's say you had a bad day at work or a fight with your boyfriend, suddenly that becomes pathologic. Bad day or two, oh, you must be depressed. Boyfriend's acting like a jerk. Well, he must be a narcissist. Girlfriend's acting a little strange. She must be borderline. So therapists are very quick to label people and they're putting this out there and then enter into the mix. Social media, you have these so called influencers who are putting out checklists, you know, five things to look for to know if you're, if you have ADHD or you're depressed. And people are very, very quick to accept that. And then self.com diagnosed and you know, we have therapy culture that's just everywhere. And that's part of why I named the book Therapy Nation.

[Mary Walter]

It's so interesting because I did not put two and two together until I started reading about your book and your theory and it just suddenly all clicked and made so much sense to me. And I just thought people, you know, the left was. You know, they're a little wacky. So I just thought that they were the ones who were running around doing this, but it's not. But we hear buzzword like, my truth.

[Caller or Guest]

My.

[Mary Walter]

Well, my truth. And I'm sitting here thinking to myself, there's no such thing as your truth. The truth is the truth. And I think this all goes back to therapy. And we. I think a part of it is a combination of, like I said, Dr. Phil and Oprah, and we put it on TV and everybody, you know, parades their illness, you know, mental illnesses on. On tv, and it makes them a star, and they get. They get affirmation for it. We started to, like, normalize all this stuff and made it normal to just put it out there. And I think we've kind of.

[Jonathan Alpert]

It's almost like people. It's almost like people wear this as a badge of honor.

[Mary Walter]

Yes.

[Jonathan Alpert]

I would argue that we should be striving for health and wellness and good, sound mental health, not, you know, being proud of our mental illness, whether that's depression or anxiety or more severe disorders. And just to be clear, there are a lot of very good therapists out there. Out there. And it is a good thing that there's more awareness of mental health and less of a stigma. And maybe we do have Oprah to thank for that, and that's a good thing. But that doesn't mean that we should be celebrating our mental health or, I'm sorry, our mental health and illnesses. We should try to be healthier and optimize that and not wear this like a badge of honor and run around with a million different diagnoses. I've heard of patients who come in to me and they talk about their prior therapy where they've become so expert at knowing everything that's wrong with them, going back to their childhood, their diaper days. They can name every issue that they were ever presented with and every problem that their parents may have caused. And they go to therapy week after week after week, and they can rehearse this stuff so easily, but they're stuck. They're not any healthier. They're not happier. They're not any more fulfilled in their lives yet. They've been to therapy for decades, and it's a complete, utter, colossal waste of money if you're not actually improving.

[Mary Walter]

So I think there's a lot of things as I started to think more about this, because you totally took me down a rabbit hole last night, and I hope you're happy. I think that I see a lot of things coalescing here. Colliding, coalescing. Whatever the word is I'm looking for because I'm old, is that we also have a younger generation that had no obstacles in their life. They don't know how to deal with any kind of adversity, so they feel that their lives are the worst and everything is about them. There's a lot of central character, main character things going on out there. And with this idea of, we insist, incentivize illness both mentally and physically. So if your kid has ADD or ADHD or whatever it happens to be, that kid gets more time to take tests, that kid gets all special things. And your kid is special and the kid, it feels special. And everybody wants in on the game, it seems, because everybody has the. Has the look at me syndrome. Right. I think everybody's got this look at me thing, which is why we see people screaming and yelling in parking lots and Walmart and somebody's got a camera filming them and they lose their minds. There's no self control anymore with all of this therapy. Nobody has any self control and it just doesn't seem to make sense.

[Jonathan Alpert]

Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And one of the original titles that we played around with for this book was it's not all about you. And that really spoke to just the massive self absorption and the accommodation culture that I think you're referring to, where people get a pass, they get notes from their therapists for everything. If you need extended time time on your test, if you're feeling blue that day, you can stay out of work. So we've really created. My profession is largely responsible for this, creating this fragility in our society. And there are such things as bad days and even bad weeks. And that doesn't mean that you're depressed. And that doesn't necessarily mean that you need to have a mental health day either. This having a bad day and having some mishaps in life, that's how we build character and strength and how we learn and grow as a person. But if we're constantly being accommodated and patted on the back and made to feel special and never confront it, we're going to stay stuck and we're not going to grow individually and as a society. And that's a real concern of mine as a mental health practitioner.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah, no, absolutely. Good for you for being able to call out your own profession and say, wait a minute, I think we have a problem here. We're gonna take a quick break on the other side. I wanna talk to you about that and how we turn that around because you've got an entire generation now that you know, as you said, can go to the doctor and theymy husband's a physician and he says these I don't have anyone under 45 who comes in who is not depressed or has anxiety. Like they all got. They're all depressed and anxious and most of them them don't have a diagnosis. So we'll talk about that coming back. And also I want to talk to you about TDS as well. I am so into this. Like I said, you took me down such a rabbit hole last night. Our guest is Jonathan Alpert. He's a therapist and the author of Therapy Nation. Follow him on X at Jonathan Alpert. More coming up on the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[Brian Kilmeade]

It's Brian Kilmeade, The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian. Brian Kilmeade,

[Mary Walter]

Mary Walter for Brian Kilmeade. Our guest is Jonathan Alpert. He's a therapist and the author of Therapy Nation. And how maybe a little bit too much therapy has left us very divided and very anxious and very depressed and having a lot of problems, or at least we think we have a lot of problems. Jonathan, we were talking before the break about how you look at your own industry and you say, I think we kind of did this to ourselves. We're the people who created this problem. If so, how do you pull it back?

[Jonathan Alpert]

Yeah, that's a really good question. And some people may argue that it's a business issue where if you get people better and graduate from therapy, then you lose business. And that may be true, but at the same time, the goal should be to help the person and get them better and then rely on word of mouth to get new people.

[Caller or Guest]

People.

[Jonathan Alpert]

I'm not so sure therapists are fully like consciously doing that. I think they just think therapy should be a lifelong activity. For some people, it's become just that. It's become almost like a lifestyle where they go in week after week, vent, get stuff off their chest, and it feels good in the moment, and then they do it all over again in six or seven days. So there's a big difference between feeling good and actually getting better. And I talked about this in a 2012 New York Times op ed piece that I wrote called In Therapy Forever Enough Already. And I talked about how people do just that. They go in, they vent, they get things off their chest and they feel good, but then they don't really learn how to actually address their issues and move on from them. And people are stuck in therapy. Therapy. And I think if we can get back to a place where we establish very clear and concrete goals from day one and then come up with a strategy to reach them, that might be a good start to.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah, I think it's lifelong therapy. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. I think it's incumbent upon the therapist to set those boundaries and say to somebody, okay, we're good. You don't need me anymore. Because it's kind of like taking a wooby away from. From a kid, you know, like, you don't need the blankie anymore, honey. You can. You can go out and conquer kindergarten all on your own. And maybe to your point, though, it is a money issue. It is at that point because they don't want to lose that income. I got somebody on the hook for life.

[Jonathan Alpert]

Yeah, there is that consideration. And I think for some patients, you know, establish some goals, work on getting better for a couple months or six months, eight months, whatever it is, and then maybe go back for a refresher session every couple months. And I have plenty of patients who do just that. They might check in with me once a quarter just to. Just to make sure everything's okay. Or if something comes up in their life, they may see me for a few sessions. But to have this dependence on your therapist and feel like you need to consult them for every issue in your life. I mean, I've even heard of people consulting their therapist when they don't know what type of gift they should get. A friend or a loved one. To me, that's absolutely ridiculous. I've also heard of people running to the therapist because they get stressed out over a pimple. I would argue this isn't good use of therapy.

[Mary Walter]

I would also argue it's a very expensive use of therapy as well.

[Jonathan Alpert]

There's that, too, when pimples usually go away on their own. And a day or two.

[Mary Walter]

True, Very true. I want to switch gears here, and I want to talk a little bit about TDS. And I want to go to cut 19. Eric. I want to go to the View. Dun, dun, dun. And just. This is just such an example of tds, which I believe is real and alive and thriving. And this is Joy Behar on the View. Listen, talking about Trump Rx and Mark Cuban being involved in Trump Rx and Mark Cuban, of course, being a never Trumper, he was shilled for Kamala. Listen to Joy Behar.

[Jonathan Alpert]

But even he Came around, right?

[Mary Walter]

Well, listen to Joy Behar here.

[Caller or Guest]

You lie down with dogs you wake up with, all right? And you know, I like Mark Cuban. I've always liked him. But this is a. This is a mistake. And once, once Trump puts his name on prescriptions, we're all going to die.

[James Whaley]

Okay?

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah, he put his name on the Trump Shuttle, the Trump Vodka, the Trump University, the Trump Hotel, and my favorite,

[Mary Walter]

the casinos that all went bankrupt.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah, the drugs do not go there.

[Mary Walter]

The drugs don't actually have his name. They're ex existing drugs.

[Caller or Guest]

He's involved with it.

[Mary Walter]

So you heard, you've heard Alyssa Farah Griffin try to jump in there, go, well, the drugs don't have his name. They're existing drugs. And Behar didn't want to hear any facts. It doesn't matter. He's involved with it. I can't have anything to do with it. Is TDS real?

[Jonathan Alpert]

Well, it's interesting because, you know, Trump was also responsible for fast tracking the vaccine for Covid during his first term. And I've long said that Trump could go on and cure cancer and people would still find a reason to discredit him or to hate him. As far as tds, I've made it very clear that it doesn't actually exist. We don't have a diagnosis in the DSM called tds. But as a therapist, I've been very, very concerned about what I'm seeing in a lot of patients. Patience. And what we see when we just look at news. Like we just looked at that clip in the View where people are obsessed with Trump, they're highly anxious with all matters related to Trump. They've become fixated on Trump. They can't sleep at night because of Trump. So this looks a lot like other disorders that are actual disorders in the dsm. So I've made it a point to say at the it doesn't exist, but this is what I'm seeing. And we should be concerned. If you can't take a vacation because you're so upset that Trump is in office, you've got some serious problems. And I've seen that with people. Or if you're hoping and wishing Trump dead because you don't like his policy or even like him as a person, that's a problem. Or if you're disappointed it that the shooter didn't have better aim in Butler, you've got a serious, profound mental health problem. And this is what I'm really concerned about.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah. Now, I know that HHS Secretary RFK Jr. Was on with Adam Carolla. And he said that he does believe that TDS is real, and he says his staff is looking into actually developing an ICD code to make it a legit syndrome. Because to your point, these people are. It's. It's Trump. Trump. Trump.

[Caller or Guest]

Trump.

[Mary Walter]

Trump. There's videos of people in California saying they're not going to vote for Spencer Pratt because he's Republican and they hate Trump. Do you think that's the right thing?

[Jonathan Alpert]

Well, I would be happy to speak to RFK Jr about this and provide my. My experience working with countless patients. And I do think there is something to it, and we do need to look into it. You have to wonder what happens once Trump is out of office in a few years. Will these people have TDS 2.0? Will they just move on to Rubio or Vance or whoever the candidate is? I think to step back a bit. The left, some people on the left, they need a villain. They need someone to hate. They need someone to blame all their problems on. And we saw this play out with the Luigi Mangione nonsense where, you know, this is grievance culture. You know, people need someone to blame. And right now, it's Trump. People will fixate on him and blame all their issues on Trump. So I don't know, you know, I don't know what's going to happen. I think we could see maybe some sort of disorder that doesn't have the Trump name in it, but maybe a political preoccupation disorder.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Alpert]

Would be something that the people.

[Mary Walter]

All right. Well, yeah, Jonathan, I don't mean to cut you short, but we gotta run. Check out the book Therapy Nation. I'm telling you, it is fantastic. Like I said, went down a total rabbit hole. Thank you so much for joining me here on the Brian Kilmeade.

[Brian Kilmeade]

He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Kilmeade.

[Dr. Oz]

If there was one vaccine that you

[Caller or Guest]

would tout, would it be one that

[Mary Walter]

cured Trump Derangement Syndrome, one that you

[Jonathan Alpert]

could really get behind?

[Mary Walter]

I mean, we're trying to. I told my staff today that we need an ICD code for Trump Derangement Syndrome because it is a real thing.

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

Yes.

[Mary Walter]

And, you know, I have, you know, lots of friends. I mean, you know, this is a. It's. I'm not. I'm not trying to make it a sad story, but I've had many friends

[James Whaley]

come up to me and just say,

[Mary Walter]

I can't be your friend anymore. And I'm not, like, I'm not feeling sorry for myself. I'm just saying it's a weird anthropological phenomena.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah.

[Mary Walter]

It should be studied.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah, I agree.

[Mary Walter]

Maybe we get Fauci to

[Caller or Guest]

hold on.

[Mary Walter]

He could, he could just fund some

[Dr. Oz]

of the gain of function and we

[Lt. Col. Allen West]

could have the folks in the Wuhan

[Dr. Oz]

lab just take a good look at the Trump derangement syndrome under a microscope.

[Caller or Guest]

You know,

[Mary Walter]

so that was Adam Carolla and Health and Human Secretary Service. Health and human services secretary, RFK Jr. So, you know, we were just speaking with Jonathan Alpert. He's a therapist and the author of Therapy Nation. And we started talking about it. There is no official diagnosis, which is interesting because I was, as I said, my husband's a physician. And I was talking to him about this and he said, because, no, he goes, I think there's a code for this. It's diagnosable. And he looked. He goes, no, there is not. And I had thought a while ago that they had made one and maybe it was just, you know, haha and jest. But I want to know from you, 866-4087-669866-4087669 or tag me in a post on Mary Walter Radio, do you know people who used to swear, suffer from tds, People like you heard with Joy Behar, Alyssa Farah Griffin tried to jump in there and say to her, well, no, these are drugs that already have names. This is, you know, he's not making the drugs. They don't have his name. They're existing drugs. And Joy Behar said, well, whatever. He, whatever, he's involved in it, like, they can't rationally think. And I have seen it. I have many friends who have cut time with me because I support President Trump. Now, did I cut ties with them because I supported Barack Obama?

[Caller or Guest]

No.

[Mary Walter]

Or did I cut ties with anyone because they supported Joe Biden? No, I didn't. Or because they supported Kamala Harris? No, I didn't. Because I'm not insane that way. I mean, granted, I got my own stuff going on. We all got a little something going on, but that's not it for me. To me, politics is my life. It's a job. So I just separated and I, and I have been able to say, you know, I think Bill Clinton did something good, or I thought Barack Obama did. If Joe Biden or Barack Obama, who was really in his third term, in my humble opinion, did something that I thought was good, like if he had closed the border, I would have said, that's great, and I would have given him Credit, because I think there's. I'm not emotional. That's what I'm trying to say.

[Caller or Guest]

Trying to.

[Mary Walter]

Trying to not be mean and dismissive, but they're incapable of turning off their emotions, you see. And it is mostly women. Sorry, ladies. But it is mostly women. You see these women who just can't turn it off. They have to scream and yell in the middle of a parking lot. They're screaming and yelling. And there was a piece in the Wall Street Journal a little while ago by someone who works at Fox News named Matthew Hennessy.

[Caller or Guest]

And.

[Mary Walter]

And he said, two nice ladies who kind of look like, you know, they. He goes, I imagine them to be retired teachers in New York City to see the lights. They both had gray hair cut short, jeans and sneakers. One had a fanny pack. Two men who kind of looked like their husbands were trailing behind him by a couple of steps, and they were heading north and of course, passing Fox. The two women flipped the bird at Fox, at the building. Really at the building. And it's. There's this a problem, I think, but it's with women. It is with women. But I want to know if you think that it's to the point. And I. We say it jokingly, but I'm dead serious. Where TDS needs to be made a diagnosable code, and it needs to be studied and treated. It needs to be treated. And I don't know, considering therapists are usually pretty. Pretty liberal, obviously the last one was not. And a lot of therapists can't put their own personal feelings aside, even though they're supposed to. I don't know how far we would get with that. And this. Matthew says, here he goes, you know, I've gotten angry about things I see on tv, and I would prefer never to get to a place where I'm just throwing up the bird at a building. I just, you know, I mean, am I going to go to the Barack Obama Presidential Museum? No, because it looks like a really. It looks like a place where you would have a haunted house. It looks very scary, and it doesn't look like a place I want to go into. And he said, there's something tacky and undignified in retirees surrendering to hysteria. Maybe some people would be proud of their grandparents for flipping off Fox News in broad daylight on a public street. He said, I would be embarrassed, not for myself, but for them. And I agree with this. You got two separate problems. You got the young kids who live in therapy and wear their mental illness like a badge, and then you've got these older women who I suspect were hippies back in the 60s like Bernie Sanders, and they, they just never really lost that. And now at their age, maybe they just don't care and so they just parade their, their freak show. They were doing it in the 60s. They kind of settled down, had family, started acting normal. And now that they're retired, they're doing it again. So should it be diagnosable, do you think it is legit? 866-408-7669 or reach out to me on X. Tag me in a post on Xary Walter Radio. Let's go to Jacksonville and kick it off with Marianne. Marianne, welcome here on the Brian Kilmeade Show. Hello.

[Caller or Guest]

How are you?

[Mary Walter]

I'm doing good. So what do you think? Diagnosable?

[Caller or Guest]

Oh, absolutely.

I'm a registered nurse.

I am from right where you are broadcasting.

Right. Right now, most of my family doesn't speak to me. If they, you just sort of don't, you don't bring, if they bring it up, I change the subject because it's not worth the confrontation.

[Mary Walter]

Right.

[Caller or Guest]

I think. And like what you're, what the doctor

just, I don't know if he's the

doctor, but the gentleman just said, do you think this is going to end with Trump?

No, no, no, no.

Advance comes in, a Rubio comes in. It's just going to keep right on going. I don't know if you can call it tds, but there must be something that you can put some initials on

and throw it in the code book.

[Mary Walter]

You're right. And it's interesting you said something right there that was really interesting because I had a similar conversation with a friend of mine out in Washington state and she had some, some friends over and they live in a very rural part of the state and most people are conservative there, but they do have, of course, the people who flee the cities and into the country and of course, bring all of their weird ideas with them and try to influence them at everybody around them because we stay silent right when they feel very comfortable screaming and yelling and putting all of their emotions on display. And in return, we stay silent because we don't want to aggravate the situation. To me, it's like being around someone who's dangerous and has, you know, a weapon and you're like, oh, I'm going to just try not to be seen and I'm not going to aggravate the crazy person. And because of that, they can say whatever they want and what we can't and we because we self censor and I don't know if that's the best thing.

[Caller or Guest]

I totally agree with that because I, okay, I'm a Jersey girl. So, you know, fight our own fights, right?

[Mary Walter]

Yeah.

[Caller or Guest]

So I do tend to be very vocal. But you do pick and choose. They're so locked into their ideas that, you know, you're spinning your wheels. So you, you have to pick, you have to pick the fight that maybe you can get a point across. But most of the time they're just. I have a real good friend whose husband is a three star general and she hates him. She hates Trump. She hates him. She puts the most vile things on Instagram. And I'm like, I don't even, I don't even go back anymore because I'm like, okay, that's fine that you feel like that, but knowing what's going on and to do that I just think is, I mean, you, like you said you don't like Obama, you didn't like Biden, but you didn't trash him. You didn't throw your friends under the bus. You know, they just need to get, to get a grip and they can't. That's the bottom line. They can't.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah, they really can't. I think they're damaged forever to your point. They're never going to get over this. Marianne, thank you so much for joining me. Do appreciate it. More of your calls coming up. Robert and Sharon and Tony and Joanne. I will get to everybody. 866-87669. Do you agree with HHS Secretary RFK Jr. That we need a diagnosable code for TDS because it is legit. Not making fun of it, but because it is legit. I'll take your calls. Coming up on the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Both sides, all opinions, it's Brian Kilmeade. Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[Mary Walter]

Welcome back to the Brian Kilmeade Show. So talking about an exchange between Adam Carolla and RFK Jr. And Adam Carolla brought up Trump derangement syndrome and said, you know, I think it's, it's diagnosable. Do you, do you want to see an ICD code which is what they, an official code that doctors put down when they diagnose you with something they put in the ICD code and would you, you know, would you go for that? And he said, actually, I've been talking to my staff about it because I do think it's real and I do think it needs to Be studied. And I don't say any of this to be derogatory, because I do think that it is. It definitely is real. And I don't know if it's like, I don't know if there was something in all of the booster shots from COVID Who knows? I don't know. But the people who tend to be like, boosted, boosted, boosted. I know people who are still getting Covid boosters. Okay. And they're out there. So maybe that was like a weird government experiment with the boosters because they knew the group of people that would go for it. I don't know. Probably not. But you got to figure out what the hell happened. Is this like a mass psychosis? Like the Salem witch trials? Like, because they hang out. They all hang out together because they unfriend and they. They. They cut off anyone who disagrees with them. Live in an echo chamber. A lot of people do, but they live in an echo chamber where the. The rhetoric is just ratched up, ratched up. And now we're.

[Caller or Guest]

We're.

[Mary Walter]

We're flipping the bird at. At buildings. And they will assault you. They think it's perfectly okay to assault you if you have a Trump hat on or because you. If you have a sign on your lawn for a candidate they don't like. They think it's totally fine to destroy it and steal it and rip it down. And these are normally same people, and a lot of them are your grandparents. That generation, they were like the aging hippies, and something happened, and they are back to hate Ashberry all of a sudden. Let's go to Kim in Indiana. Kim, you're on the Brian Kilmeade Show. Hi.

[Caller or Guest]

Hi. Thanks for taking my call.

[Mary Walter]

Sure.

[Caller or Guest]

I just wanted to comment on the Trump derangement syndrome.

And I'm a woman, but absolutely Republican, registered, voted for Trump, etc.

But I do want to make the comment that I get a little concerned when we're lumping things such as, quote, Trump DERA syndrome, which is kind of a thing. However, lumping it in with mental health issues, counseling, I just take concern with that. Mental health is a true situation. I'm thankful from a personal family situation that people don't have to hide in the corner, receive therapy. And I just think there needs to be a little more thought put into that in terms of lumping general mental health issues and concerns and treatments, what we're seeing in the political arena.

[Mary Walter]

Well, let me ask you, Let me ask you. Should we not let me by getting an ICD code. It can be Legitimately studied. So wouldn't we want to legitimately study it to find out if it really is a mental health issue and then treat it? Because they're not happy people. They're very not happy people.

[Caller or Guest]

No. And I hear what you're saying, and I am from health care care professional. I think this is situational. I think people just don't know what to do with someone who has taken the political arena by such a storm, changing things, mixing up things. And when they don't agree, I think they're just reacting. Possibly some. Many of these people have other mental health issues. Depression, anxiety, I'm not sure. I think that's what needs to be studied. Not so much localizing it into Trump Derangement syndrome.

Okay.

[Mary Walter]

And that's. That's fine. That's fine. You are more than welcome to disagree. I just think when a grown adult cannot control their emotions over somebody making a political decision, that you've got big issues. There's something there. When you feel a need that it's perfectly okay to assault someone because they have a different political view than you, there's something wrong. When you think that all three assassination attempts on the president were staged for political gain. I think your grasp on reality might be a little tenuous, and that needs to be studied. And if the only part of your life in which that is active is regarding Trump, then I think that probably there's something going on there, and I would like to see it studied. But I understand what you're saying, but the idea of, like, well, you know, they can't handle it. I think we excuse away a lot of stuff and then we enable it. So I'm just curious, because it's not gonna stop with Trump. It's gonna go advance with Rubio. If a republic, whichever Republican gets in, from here till the day I die, the reaction is going to be the same, and we need. I think we need to nip it in the bud early. All right, Kim, thank you so much. I do appreciate it. Have a great weekend. Robert in Yonkers, you're on the Brian Kilmeade Show. Hello, Robert.

[Caller or Guest]

Hi. So I have a little bit of a twist in my view about this thing.

[Mary Walter]

Good.

[Caller or Guest]

Giving attention to Trump Derangement syndrome encourages this thing to increase. Whatever you give yourself attention to grows. There's too much attention to these people, and they want this attention. They want the attention. There are people at the top that are encouraging this behavior. Those are the people to get to. Tds, if you would say that it exists, begins with a Conversation. And the conversation came out of leaders mouths to encourage people to be become afraid. Lenin had a term for these people. He called them useful idiots.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah.

[Caller or Guest]

Hermann Goering, the supreme commander of the air force under Adolf Hitler was asked at the Nuremberg trials, how did you get the German people to go along with this? And Hermann Goering said it was easy. It's huge human nature. You get people to be afraid enough and they'll do anything. In the Chicken Little cartoon that was created by Walt Disney, the full length one in 1943, which is a warning to the world about Adolf Hitler, they had chick, they had all these characters that you see. If you would look at the cartoon, it's played out every city today. And the people that have what's called Trump derangement syndrome are the chickens in the coop that all they do is talk to each other and they're full of fear. Chicken Little got them afraid because he was a useful idiot and then he got all the little chickens to be afraid.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. Tony, I appreciate you joining me. See me Robert, I appreciate you joining me. Yeah, that is part of it. And I have had people come up to me and we have not my family. There's other people in the family who I'm, they're pretty smart intellectually but there is a certain undercurrent of tds, but they're not like crazy tds, but there's an undercurrent there. We just don't talk politics and that's okay. That's how you handle it. We just don't address the subject. We just don't do it. But I've had people tell me I, you know, why do you support him? And when I, I try to tell them, they go off on a tangent and you can't have a conversation when you, if someone is incapable of having a conversation, we got to find out why. I'm Mary Walter. You are listening to the Brian Kilmeade show.

[Brian Kilmeade]

From the Fox News radio studios in midtown Manhattan. It's the fastest growing radio radio talk show. Brian Kilmeade.

[Mary Walter]

Welcome to the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[James Whaley]

Hello.

[Mary Walter]

Hope you're having a great day today. I'm Mary Walter sitting in for Brian. Don't forget you can catch my podcast. It's live on Tuesdays at 7:15pm Eastern Time. A lot of different guests from all over from, and not just political. Sometimes I have producers and directors and, and comedians. All sorts of people come on the podcast, very casual. You can join in and leave comments, ask Questions. It is live on YouTube. Rumble and getter. Just look for Mary Walter radio. 7:15pm On Tuesdays. That's eastern time. The audio is available on Apple podcasts Spotify and Spreaker. Again, look for Mary Walter Radio. So I want to talk to you about tds, Trump Derangement Syndrome and if it is real or not. Do you think it is real? And Adam Carolla and RFK Jr. Had an exchange in which Adam Carolla suggested to RFK Jr. That maybe we need to a vaccine for TDS. And he said, RFK Jr. Said that. I told my staff today that we need an ICD code for Trump Derangement Syndrome because it's a real thing and it should, should be studied. And I will tell you, Trump 45, I didn't think it was a real thing. Now I'm like, oh heck, this is real. Because I've watched it progress. I've watched it go from I'm not going to be friends with you and being cut out of people's wives because of it. I thought, oh well, whatever, it's just a small thing. But it didn't, it didn't abate during the Biden years, right? It didn't abate and it only got worse and they only became more violent. It's escalating. And you never know when someone's just going to pop off because you look like a Trump voter or you have on a hat or you have a shirt that says freedom. The white shirt that says Freedom that Charlie was wearing when he was, when he was assassinated. I have one. I'm very careful about where I wear that shirt. It just says freedom. But I am well aware that it could get me physically attacked by someone who is out of their ever loving mind or just cannot control their emotions. And in other parts of their life, they're perfectly sane. So I do think that it is real. I do think we need a code so we can study it and figure out how to treat these people. Deep down inside, they're miserable. Nothing in their world is good. They are outraged at everything. Anything that challenges their worldview, they can't control their reactions to. And it's a very sad place to live. Speaking of sad places, the View, they were having a conversation about the whole Trump RX thing and Mark Cuban being there. And I had to do a double take. I'm watching, I'm like, is that Mark Cuban, Mark Cuban can't stand Donald Trump. And instead of looking at, instead of watching this, people with TDS watching this going, wait, Mark Cuban Supported Kamala Harris and can't handle Donald Trump, can't stand him. But Mark Cuban goes on and says, I think this is a really good thing that's being done here. So I want to partner with this. And Mark Cuban's gonna make money off of it. He's not dumb. Instead of looking at that, saying, oh well, maybe this is a good thing. Now they hate Mark Cuban. Now they're gonna cancel Mark Cuban and he's just as bad as Donald Trump now. That's the way they think. So Joy Behar was talking about it and was saying how it's terrible that it's gonna, we're gonna get prescriptions with Trump's name on it. And Alyssa Farah Griffin did, jumped in and said, well, the drugs don't really have his name. They're just existing drugs, which is what it is. And Behar's like, whatever, because she can't handle it. So here's a continuation of that conversation with Alyssa Farah Griffith pushing back on Joy Behar because Joy Behar said, well, whatever, if he's involved with it. So listen to Alyssa. Alyssa actually. And she's not a Trumper, but at least she's trying to steer this to some sanity. Oh, I literally medication that I had to take for IVF is a tenth of the price on Trump Rx. I don't. Whatever.

[Caller or Guest]

It's tacky that his name is on it.

[Mary Walter]

Mark Cuban has dedicated his life to bringing down prescription drug costs. The average family, one third of Americans cut back on essential foods and utilities to be able to cover their prestige prescription drug costs. You're not going to convince me that just because Trump's involved we should be like, screw it, don't bring down prescription drugs.

[Caller or Guest]

Cost. He's going to make a profit out of it.

[Mary Walter]

Don't take Americans.

[Caller or Guest]

He is a failed businessman. And if you heard what he said,

[Mary Walter]

he said, we both want to make people wealthy. He didn't say, so I should pay 10 times more for money.

[Caller or Guest]

He said wealthy with vacation to me that there's something in it for him.

[Mary Walter]

This is not a well intentioned. The president. Sunny Hostin is so far gone, so far gone. She should be the first one put under the microscope. He's not making money off of it. It's a pass through. It is literally a website. We've been there, we've looked at it. It is literally a website where you can go and look for discounts from manufacturers. Remember Trump struck the deals with, with those pharmaceutical companies to offer prices at most favored nation rates. It is a pass through to other sites like Mark Cuban's where they get discount on drugs and he shows you Mark Cuban site shows you the price of the drug, how much they're going to make on it and what the cost is. It's totally transparent. Trump doesn't make a dime on it. But they can't believe that Donald Trump would actually do something that would benefit people because they are so convinced that he's an evil person, he's a horrible person that they just their brains cannot engage critically. And Sunny Hostin, Hostin is a lawyer. Like have we lowered the standards? Because I'm beginning to think we have been thinking that for a while. 866-408-7669 is the number 866-408-7669 or you can tag me on X in a post at marywalterradio and I will do my best to get to multitask and get to your comments there as well. Do you think it's real and does it need to be studied? Does it need an ICD code to make an official diagnosis where can now study and treat it? And I don't mean it to be funny because I am dead serious. Let's go to the people. Socialist Republic of New Jersey in Clifton. Tony, welcome. You're on the Brian Kilmeade Show. Hi.

[Caller or Guest]

Hi Mary. Thank you for taking my call.

[Mary Walter]

Sure.

[Caller or Guest]

I think that it's a very real thing and I think just as we're looking at what's going on with children online to see how they were being they were predators after children online. I think we need to look at because, because children are minors and we need to protect them. I think when you have a government like the Democrat Party who has opened up its borders and vet, no vetting. Let everybody come in. I think this is driven. I'll just go back a minute to the COVID time. I think that was the incubation period where, where the laws were getting changed for voting the Democrats to just go into this full scale thing that's happening now and it's hitting first of all it affects. We have police that are getting killed, we have federal agents getting killed, we have citizens getting killed. So I believe it's a very real thing and I think it does need to be addressed because the crime that's gone up and we are now on a high alert because of the war and other issues. And Mary, we've had this huge influx, influx of a lot of Islamic people coming in over the years. So we really need to look at. We're not in a safe environment. Our government needs to protect us, and the Democratic Party is working. This Trump derangement syndrome, like I said, started during COVID when we were isolated, worked through the school systems for years. But it really. The young people were affected. So it's not very real thing because we're getting killed, we're getting hurt. Our young people are losing their life. And I think for people who, who make it. What is it, make it less of what it is, it means that our life, our country isn't. Is able to, you know, go through all these phases because, you know, that's just life. Well, you know, our young people don't feel that way. They feel very hurt by what's been happening. And anyone who has a dentist, family member sees it as a very serious thing. So I think it needs to be quantified because it is politically driven through the social network and through our own Democratic political congressmen and senators, etc.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah. Oh, absolutely. They are, they are definitely culpable with their words and the things that they say, and they know exactly what they're doing, but they wash their hands of it and they go, well, it wasn't us. We didn't say anything. We really need to cut down on the rhetoric. We're like, well, you're part of the problem. Tony, thank you for joining me. Have a good weekend. Yeah. When you sit there and call people Nazis, you are telling people, because Nazis are not good. Right. So you're telling these unhinged, mentally susceptible people, well, if you see someone with a Trump hat on, they support a Nazi. Oh, you support Hitler, You're a Nazi, and I get to punch you. And that's what's happening. We're finding more and more people. Look at, look at the culture death on the left, where if you don't like someone like, like you cheer Luigi Mangioni because you don't like health care CEOs. So that that was okay, that's fine, because I don't like that person. We're starting to quantify these things and saying, oh, it's okay. We're starting to justify them. And a large number of people more and more and more think it's okay. You know, Brian Thompson's family doesn't matter at all because he was a healthcare CEO and that's very sick and a very, very dangerous place to go. Again. This is why I think we need to do this. And it's not just young people, it's the elderly, too. Wall Street Journal had a Piece called Get a Grip on youn Grandparents, written by Matthew Hennessey, who works at Fox and said, I watch them all the time in front of the building. There's a small group of mostly elderly people who gather in the plaza in front of News Corp Building every Tuesday and afternoon because I got nothing else to do. They honk horns, they stomp their feet, the chance slogans they put on a play. It's all performance. We're all performative. Sometimes they chalk the sidewalk. It's very predictable. Protest by appointment. And then they walk away and tell each other what a great job they did. It's very performative. I don't have time to be perform like I, maybe because I'm not that generation. I'm not the young generation. I'm there in the middle, like I'm the Gen X right then in there. And we're like, I know that no one cares about what I have to think because my parents told me that on a daily basis. My parents were like, I don't care about your feelings. Nobody was worried about our feelings. And so I wasn't old enough to be a hippie, and yet I'm not young enough for. To believe that people actually care about my feelings. So maybe that's why I'm so turned off by it all. Sharon in Texas, you're on the Brian Kilmeade Show. Hello, Sharon.

[Caller or Guest]

Hi, Mary. Hey. I do agree with what the previous caller said, and it is responsibility as government. Government to protect the people in our government because of the Democrat Party machine is not protecting us. But on a personal level, I don't believe that we need another diagnosis, you know, of another code for another diagnosis of another problem. Because I think too much responsibility for dealing with these problems has been tossed through the psychiatric profession. I think it's just way too blown up. And when I, I think your, your guest who wrote the book about. What's the name? I wrote it down.

[Mary Walter]

The Therapy Nation.

[Caller or Guest]

Therapy Nation. Yeah. He was on target and he said, he said people are looking for someone else to blame their problems on. Well, on a personal level, that's if you want to go on a personal level, which is really what this is. I have neighbors who will not talk to me because if I mention anything political and they'll, they'll immediately assign it over to Trump and then blame Trump and then go into a rant. And they look, they have looks on their faces like they want to hit me. I mean, this, this is definitely derangement. But it's on a personal level, the way I handle things. These people have such a big baggage full of their own problems and they haven't dealt with their own problems. So they want to transfer those. The blame. Point the finger, throw, throw the blame. This is age old. Back to the Garden of Eden when the first sin developed. And remember.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah. Adam threw Eve under the bus.

[Caller or Guest]

Yeah. The man blamed the woman, this woman, Lord, that you gave me. And then the woman blamed serpent. The blame game's been going on forever and ever, ever since. Right. So, you know, if we, we all need to learn to take accountability for our own. And the answer is confession. We confess and then we move forward, depending on God to direct us.

[Mary Walter]

Well, we're kind of, we're kind of getting off the track here. It's about ICD codes and icd. And thank you so much for joining me. Have a great weekend. Just so you know, an ICD code is a standardized code and they use it to classify and code medical diagnoses and conditions. And what it does is part of the international classification of diseases symptoms. So this allows a standardization, a standardization of symptoms, et cetera, health information management. It helps with epidemiology and research to track disease prevalence, outbreak, that kind of thing. So it can be very, very useful and can it comes to research. And I personally think that that's important. All right, we'll get more of your calls coming up, so don't go anywhere. 866-408-7669. Don't forget, you can also tag me in a post on X at Mary Walter Radio. You're listening to the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Keeping you informed, engaged and always a step ahead. It's the Brian Kil. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Kilmeade.

[Mary Walter]

And welcome back. We're gonna finish this up here real quickly with a couple more calls and then we're move on. And we're gonna talk about fraud. We have to talk about fraud. This is our my money, your money. We need to talk about it. Claude in Oklahoma, you're on the Brian Kilmeade show talking about tds. Should it be a diagnosis, an actual diagnosis. Welcome to the show.

[Caller or Guest]

Well, thank you for taking my call. And I was disregarding a remark that Joel Behar made earlier in Trump's ministration in his first presidency. She said, I hope the economy goes in a tank as it means getting rid of Trump. That's what she said. And then on one occasion, and then on the occasion when about the Rx for her to make that statement where people are getting a, a discount. She would rather. She's complaining about not. I'm sure she hasn't a problem with paying for medical medicine. I'm pretty sure she can afford a doctor. For her to be so selfish that she rather the world suffer and not get help because she hates Trump. And then I went to Walmart when they went, when the COVID and, and I thought this woman, you know, like Trump and she said she hated Trump because Trump said everybody should go to work and not stay away from that job because her uncle died. And I'm saying, what did Trump have to do with that? He just told people they need to get back to work. And she said, yeah, I don't. Like, my uncle died of COVID He didn't even. He didn't. He's not responsible for Covid. He's not responsible. But anyway, that was just an example that I just wanted, you know, say with. I believe it needs to be studied.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah, I think so. I think people would be happier. I just, I kind of feel badly for these people, especially the older ones who are supposed to be enjoying retirement and, you know, finally kicking back. You work so hard for most of your life, you sit back, kick back, and finally enjoy. And they can't. They're just so consumed with hatred. It has to be a very, very horrible place to be. Claude, have a great weekend. Thank you for joining Shawnee in New York City, listening on wabc. Welcome to the Brian Kilmeade Show. I got about a minute and a half here.

[Caller or Guest]

I'll make it fast. Thank you so much. I heard that hatred corrodes the vessel that contains it. And once you can convince people of absurdities, you can get them to commit atrocities. It seems very relevant. And I watched a friend's help go completely down the tubes, starting with her yelling and screaming about Trump as I was eating pasta and it was so loony. This was some years ago. I looked up and I said, why so? And so you have to adjust your meds. Meanwhile, you can't believe how her health suffered.

[Mary Walter]

I believe it. I believe it. I think you're right. I think when you are consumed with so much hatred, it just eats at you. You're never happy. And I see a lot of people, it's sad. I have seen people that I used to be friends with who don't want to know me anymore because I, I supported Trump and he's this and he's that and he's a racist and blah,

[Caller or Guest]

blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Mary Walter]

And there was no talking to them. And you're right, I have just seen them spiral downward mentally and physically follows it. I'm convinced that that happens and it's sad and you can't talk to them and you can't help them. And so maybe this is why we do need to make this an ICD code. Shawnee, thank you so much for joining me. I do appreciate you bringing that up because I think she's right. Coming up, lets talk about fraud. The amount of money and where it has gone, it's staggering.

[Brian Kilmeade]

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[Mary Walter]

Hey welcome back to the Brian Kamit Show. I'm Mary Walter in for Brian. 866-408-7669 is my number. Let's talk fraud, shall we? You can also tag me in a post on X if you would like to comment And I will try to get to your tags to your posts as much as I possibly can. Just want to wrap up from the last hour, a couple of tags here. I want to say, okay, senior moment says speaking of therapy, it's thank you for joining us. To guests not joining me. Sorry, you have staff at an audience without whom you wouldn't be on the air. Include them and give them credit as to who the guest is joining. It's not all about you. So thank you for the free therapy online. I just had to share that with you because it goes to all our guests point previously, Jonathan Alpert that everybody talks therapy. Now everybody speaks in therapy terms. So I wanted to share that with you. I thought that was, that was pretty funny. Just proving the point of our previous guest. Now let's talk about fraud. Speaking of therapy and other mental and other services, healthcare services, yesterday was a big day on the fraud front. You saw the assistant attorney general, Colin McDonald, you saw Dr. Oz and other talking about fraud. And J.D. vance, the vice president is in charge of this fraud investigation, which is huge. And I have to give them credit, they are making very, very sincere attempts and I think they're making some good strides in trying to target and unravel these fraud schemes because they know that President Trump has a limited amount of time and if they don't hold the House and the Senate at the midterms, that a lot of this is going to come to a screeching hulk because for some weird Democrats don't want to investigate fraud. Huh. I wonder why. Why wouldn't Democrats want to investigate fraud? Because it's their money too. It's almost as if that money was being funneled through NGOs and then going back into their pockets. But come on, only a cynic would say that.

[Caller or Guest]

Uh huh.

[Mary Walter]

So let's start out here with the Assistant Attorney General, Colin McDonald and he is talking about more people being charged. Of course, in Minnesota. This is just the, the epicenter of the fraud because of Nick Shirley and his sidekick David there. And David's really the one who started it, but he is not really super public. So Nick Shirley's become the face of it. Started in Minnesota. But it is so much more than the Feeding Our Futures fraud scheme. And we'll go into that because Amy Bach, the ringleader of that was, was finally sentenced yesterday. But this is more fraud that they have found. Listen, 15 people, listen. How much money? Here we go.

[Assistant Attorney General Colin McDonald]

Today we are announcing criminal charges against 15 defendants in Minnesota for fraud schemes that targeted over 90 million in taxpayer dollars. Let me be clear up front about something. This is not the end of our work in Minnesota. This is not the end of the beginning of our work in Minnesota. This is the beginning of our work in Minnesota. The fraud here in Minnesota is shocking. Our cases today involve seven different state managed Medicaid programs that have been systematically pilfered by fraudsters who treated Minnesota run programs as their personal piggy bank.

[Mary Walter]

Seven state managed Medicaid programs. Seven. And one of the defendants, who's that guy that we all saw? One of the defendants, Mohammed Omar was the one who jumped off of fourth story balcony. Clearly hurt himself because they showed the video and he kind of like rolled down there. Looks like it looked like he probably did some damage, probably had a broken ankle and he was hopping around. But they did get him eventually. So he definitely was desperate to get out of that. He is accused of scheming taxpayers out of more than 3.6 million by filing false Medicare claims while running a pair of home health companies in Minnesota from 2022 to 2025. Feds alleged that he used 150,000 of the fraudulently obtained funds to invest in real estate in Nairobi, Kenya. Because you know, that's a hot spot. That's where people want to go. Although I guess if you're doing like the safari, maybe it's a Airbnb, courtesy of your taxpayer dollars. We should get to stay there free and 60,000 to lease a Mercedes Benz. More of the 15 people, two more, Shamso Ahmed Hassan and Hanan Mercel Yousef, allegedly operated an almost $47 million scheme that paid kickbacks to parents who brought their children to the bogus center, supposedly retreating Autism spectrum disorder and this, we're just talking about ICD codes and stuff, Autism spectrum disorders. And this shows how this can all get so expanded that suddenly everybody's got autism. Right? And wait till I give you the numbers of how these programs exploded. So I want to jump up to cut six because it's about the autism program. And this is again the assistant attorney general, Colin McDonald, because one of the things that they took advant of was the autism programs and parents got kickbacks in order to bring the kids there who didn't have autism. Here's the assistant AJ the same trends

[Assistant Attorney General Colin McDonald]

exist for other Minnesota run taxpayer funded programs. An autism program that cost the taxpayer 600,000 just six years ago skyrocketed to over 400 million. And to be sure, that number is not driven by supply and demand. It is not driven by health care or charity. It is fraud.

[Mary Walter]

It went from 600,000 in 2018 to more than 400 million by 2025. My question is, and this is what they're going to be asking and this is what they're hopefully going to get to the bottom to, is how did no one look at those numbers who was, you know, paying attention to their job, like not even being, not even paying super attention, just like mildly cognizant, like breathing. And you look at that and you go, huh, something's wrong here. How come we're spending so much money? The problem is, and this is the problem with the government running all of these programs. And I don't necessarily think this is the government's job to do this. Your kids got autism. I don't think it's the government's job to necessarily solve that problem for you or provide special services. I just don't, because of things like this. It's other people's money. They don't care. They don't care. And why was no one, why was Keith Ellison not looking at this fraud? Now I want to go to cut seven here. This is Dr. Oz talking about, you know, what happens to these kids when they're diagnosed with autism and how this is on their record forever. This is all this literally on their permanent record. The one that everybody told you about. It's literally there. Here's Dr. Oz.

[Dr. Oz]

The 15 arrests today. Getting $90 million is a very important symbol because it's a shot across the bow. And we're all going to say this in our different ways, but I'm telling you, if you're a fraudster, do not walk away from this press conference run because we are coming after you. We have Lots of weapons to be able to use in order to accomplish that. The kinds of reprehensible behavior that we've identified with, individuals bribing parents to lie that their children have autism will carry that diagnosis for the rest of their lives. As a physician, that bothers me to my core. Not only are we selling our licenses as doctors, when we allow this to happen, we're selling our souls. And there were doctors involved in some of these issues as well. It's rampant. Failure of this program is addressable, but we've got to be able to deal with it from within. There's a whistleblower. Her first name is Faye. She's on Capitol Hill today, testifying, I believe. But she's spoken to me about the fact that there was a general fear within the health agency here of being called the racist, a fear that you'd be politically inappropriate, politically incorrect. And that fear is what stifled much of the action they should have taken years ago, taking place in an effort to prevent why we're here today.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah, doctors, when doctors are involved in this, it gives an air of legitimacy to it and I understand why. But at the same time, if you look at the numbers you have, someone should have questioned this somewhere along the line. If you want to jump in talking about this fraud, and I'm sure it is everywhere, but I will say something in it and you can disagree with me. I think a of lot, lot of people don't care because it's so big. And I'm like, yes, they care, but it's so big that it's really difficult to wrap your brain around. There's just so much fraud and the numbers are so staggering that everybody goes, well, that's the government. They waste our money and don't realize that if you added up billions and billions and billions of dollars, they're saying 9 billion they estimate in Minnesota alone. Think of how much money would be backing in your pocket. And I think if people could do that, there would be a lot of anger in this country, a hell of a lot more than we're seeing right now. We should all be screaming angry like, like Donald Trump's president, you know, scream like a liberal that this is happening because this is your money. You go to work and you're working hard every day and these people are doing nothing but scamming your hard earned money and this. And I don't care, let the chips fall where they may. Whomever is involved in it, it has to be punished. There have to be consequences left for this. And I assume there will not be. I can't imagine that there's going to be but Keith Ellison, if he's complicit and walls anyone who's complicit. But Keith Ellison got in front of Congress and there are allegations that he lied and that's perjury. But he's part of the protected class. So we'll will he be punished? I don't know. But I think we need to get angry about this as a country. 866-408-7669. I'll get to your calls. And more of this on fraud. A lot was said yesterday. We'll get to it here on the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Diving deep into today's top story. It's Brian Kil. A radio show like no other. It's Brian Kilmeade.

[Mary Walter]

Welcome back to the Brian Kilmeade Show Talking about fraud. It's your money and I think people should be more upset than they currently are. 866-40-87669 or you can tag me to post an exit. MARY Walter Radio John says hey. MARY WALTER Radio Attacking fraud is a double edged sword. Fraudsters do not belong to one political party. Rick Scott, who represented a hospital in Florida was fined $1.7 billion for Medicare fraud. Prosecute and FDA educate show no favorites. For example, Northeast cities protect specific voting blocks that are full of Medicaid fraud. Very true. Republicans will be accused of being racist and as Democrats will avoid the blame. And the Rick Scott thing, remember he was the CEO. He was not one of the doctors who was who or the, you know, the other people who provide services of mis billing for Medicaid fraud. And I, so I got to look into it more. But he was the head and under his tenure as CEO, they led the investigation to find out who was responsible for it. And he said, look, it happened under my watch. And he resigned. But he was never accused of being involved in any of it and he was responsible for investigating it. And I think a hospital is different than a city or a state where we know that whistleblowers came forward and nothing was done. And I don't know how it came to Rick Scott's attention. I didn't go that deeply into it. But if a whistleblower came forward and they decided to investigate, well then that was the proper thing to do. And I'm not saying Republicans don't do it. I'm not saying that. But in that particular case I think we, you know, let's look at them.

[Caller or Guest]

Sure.

[Mary Walter]

I'm sure Republicans are involved in fraud. Somewhere along the line, nobody's perfect. And I, you know, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Let's go one more. I want to go here. This is the Assistant Attorney General Colin McDonald and this is what happens with these programs. Believe it or not, they do actually sometimes run out of other people's money. And here's one such such program, cut 5.

[Assistant Attorney General Colin McDonald]

One of the programs has been completely shut down because there's no money left. It's all gone. That was Minnesota's state run housing stabilization services program designed to help the homeless find and maintain housing. It was estimated in 2020 that it would cost only about 2.5 million a year to fund this program. But it ended ended up costing almost 50 times that much. Over $104 million by 2024 due to fraud. And because of all the fraud, Minnesota had to shut the program down in 2025 and now these services no longer exist for these vulnerable homeless populations.

[Mary Walter]

Yeah, because that money's gone. Your tax dollars go gonzoed and nobody was paying attention. It's sad, but it's, to me it's more than sad. I've moved on to the anger stage. I'm in anger right now. I need somebody, I want to see high ranking people who knew that this was going on in any state, not, not just here, but this is where we're starting, but in any state. And to that point they are expanding investigations across the country with more investigation teams. So they are expanding these investig and I'm like go, go Republican state. I don't care, find my tax dollars and stop this because I don't have a choice. I have to pay my taxes, I have to subsidize these programs even though I think some, most of them are total and utter waste of money. 866-40-87669 let's head to Diana in Arizona. You're on the Brian Kilmeade Show. Diana, welcome.

[Caller or Guest]

Thank you.

[Mary Walter]

Go ahead.

[Caller or Guest]

Well, I was sharing with the gentleman that I spoke with that I was addressing your autism issue. I've raised an autistic grandson and so I'm very aware of the challenges of raising an autistic child and I did it with absolutely no government assistance. He did have his IEP at school and had some accommodations and I advocated for him to make sure he was in as many mainlines classes as humanly possible. Presently he is 21 years old, has a job, has a home of his own, has a car of his own, does his laundry, does his cooking and autistic people can be amazing. So we'll start there. Second of all, I totally agree with what was stated about. Maybe some of the reasons that none of this was there were no whistleblowers was because of prejudice and the fact that, yes, if you turn somebody in, it doesn't matter how inept that they they are at their job. If you turn somebody in that is in a protected class, then they can scream discrimination. And people aren't going to risk that.

[Mary Walter]

Exactly. And there were whistleblowers who came forward and they were told, you know, this is racist, some of them were fired, etc. So that all needs to be looked into as well. Because that just says to me, when you, when you fire a whistleblower or tell them that they're just racist from bringing this forward. Somebody's protecting something. And I think when this all comes to light, should it all come to light, I hope it does. We're going to find that there were people who benefited from all this fraud, not just Somalians that didn't just go overseas. Some of it stayed here. And that's why. And thank you so much, Diana. And you know what? Bless you for doing what you did. That is truly love right there, raising your grandchild, especially if that child has some kind of disability. Disability. But Amy Bach from Feeding Our futures received almost 42 years in prison. And I want to see more of that. I do. I want to see more. Lisa, on WABC in New York. I have one minute, so you got to make it really quick, please.

[Caller or Guest]

I will. I just wanted to say, Mary, thank

you for taking my call.

[James Whaley]

I completely agree with you on this fraud.

[Caller or Guest]

I think it's gotten so egregious, so out of hand.

It is so outrageous how no one is really suffering consequences.

And I know we're talking about Minnesota,

but I want to segue really quickly to California and I want to know

why Gavin Newsom has the right to shut down all these websites of supposal hospices.

There are more hospices in LA county than in anywhere else in the country. It's just not possible that that many people died from hospice.

They could just pull death certificates that

[Mary Walter]

it wouldn't even equal that much.

[Caller or Guest]

I feel like I'm so sick of my tax money not being wasted. It's just being completely stolen. I mean, they might as well be

carrying guns and wearing ski masks. That's my opinion.

[Mary Walter]

You know what, that's a great point, Lisa. You're right. And I, Gavin Newsom and all that. And it's interesting. And thank you so much. Have a wonderful weekend. It's. It's. It's with Gavin Newsom. Like, he's just. But he's playing a part. He's playing a role. This is part of the play that we are unwilling participants in, in my humble opinion, on a daily basis, you know, Anyway, Mary, Walter, Eric, Pete, Allison, all part of the team here. I want to make sure I recognize, as I was told to do. You're listening to the Brian Kilmeade Show.