The MOU With Iran is Awful and it's up to JD Vance to Fix It

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Brian Kilmeade Show
Episode Title: The MOU With Iran is Awful and it's up to JD Vance to Fix It
Date: June 22, 2026
Host: Brian Kilmeade (FOX & Friends)
Guests/Contributors: Lawrence Jones, Senator Dr. Roger Marshall, J.D. Vance (Vice President), Michael Goodwin (New York Post), Jonathan Hunt (Fox News), Roger Zakheim (Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation), Matthew Continetti (AEI, WSJ)

---

Episode Overview

This episode offers an intense, wide-ranging discussion of the recent Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the U.S. and Iran, reactions from Washington insiders, the ongoing political realignments in the U.S. (with a focus on the Democratic Party and the rise of Democratic Socialists), and significant sports milestones, especially around the World Cup.

The central theme:
The new U.S.-Iran MOU is widely criticized by the show's hosts and guests as ineffective and potentially dangerous, placing Vice President JD Vance in the political hot seat to manage its repercussions. The episode also critiques the shifting internal politics in the U.S., particularly the leftward move among Democrats and the effects on patriotism and social policy.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Iran MOU: Critique and Fallout

Main Concerns & Criticisms

• Consensus among hosts and guests: The MOU with Iran is “awful,” lacks enforceable restrictions, and gives Iran significant leeway with few verifiable benefits for the U.S. or its allies.
• Proxy issues: Iran shows "no interest" in backing off support for groups like Hezbollah.

  "The initial problem with this deal is when it comes to the proxies, Iran has showed no interest in not having Hezbollah. And it just seems to me right now, Brian, Israel is getting the blame for a mere response." – Lawrence Jones [01:21]

Key Provisions Highlighted

• Release of Iranian funds: The MOU will allow Iran access to frozen and restricted funds upon implementation, which many fear will be misused to fund malign activities rather than humanitarian needs.

  "We have 13 Americans dead. We spent anywhere from 25 to $100 billion in munitions, and turns out we've lost incredible threat attacking them again." – Michael Goodwin [10:12]

• Resumption of oil trade: The U.S. will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, anticipated to boost Iran's economy—potentially at the expense of U.S. interests.

• Administration of Strait of Hormuz: Iran is to conduct talks with Oman about future administration, including the possibility of imposing tolls/fees.

  "They're going to administer... maritime... of the strait. Fees and tolls." – Lawrence Jones [03:41]

Criticism of Enforcement/Verification

• IAEA Inspections: Iran's invitation for IAEA inspectors is seen as insufficient without U.S. scientists present.

  "It's been brought up to me that the IAEA on its own, without an American scientist, should not be acceptable. Do you agree?" – Lawrence Jones [25:05]

Domestic U.S. Political Pressure

• Midterm implications: The timing and perceived softness of the deal are linked to the administration’s desire to keep oil prices low ahead of the midterms.

  "It is the view of some that it was very important for the President because of the midterms to get the price of oil down." – J.D. Vance [04:08]

• Lack of political cover: The President receives little public support from within his own party on Middle East issues, further complicating his approach.

Notable Quotes

• "I'm perturbed about what I see in the MOU, but I'm not angry right now. I will become angry if I see those ships, those carriers leaving the Middle East. Then I'm like, what are we doing?" – J.D. Vance [05:33]

• "If we give billions of dollars to Iran, that money will be used to murder Americans." – Jonathan Hunt [09:38]

[See TIMESTAMPS section below for exact times]

---

2. The American Political Landscape: Democratic Party, Socialism, and Patriotism

The Rise of Democratic Socialists

• DSA (Democratic Socialists of America) candidates are gaining traction, especially in primary battles in New York City.
• Lawrence Jones and guests highlight a generational and ideological divide within the Democratic Party, emphasizing concerns of anti-American sentiment, anti-Israel stances, and radical economic proposals (e.g., wealth tax, abolishing ICE).

• "They want to blow up the institutions instead of trying to win, they want to change the rules." – Lawrence Jones [51:05]

• "The lesson that Democrats seem to have learned from the 2024 election is to lean into the most radical fringes of their party." – J.D. Vance [56:12]

The "Patriotism Gap" & Gen Z

• Matthew Continetti discusses findings that Gen Z exhibits lower patriotism, religiosity, and belief in American exceptionalism.
• Addressed is the need for enhanced civics education and leveraging digital platforms for historical/patriotic content.

• "Gen Z needs to be reminded of that. And I'm afraid that the institutions that shape character, families, schools, communities, they haven't been performing up to the task necessary." – Matthew Continetti [86:33]

---

3. U.S. National Security, Israel, and the Middle East

Israel and Lebanon

• Pressure mounts for a demilitarized zone between Israel and Lebanon to counter Hezbollah threats.
• Guests stress U.S. policy must remain supportive of Israel’s right to self-defense, condemning any arrangement giving Iran undue influence over Lebanon or Israel’s actions.

• "We should do nothing to legitimize Iran's point of view that they have a say over Lebanon." – Roger Zakheim [67:00]

U.S. Military Posture

• Maintaining military presence in region seen as a red line.
• Direct action against Iran (without boots on the ground) is advocated if Iran resumes hostilities or breaches the terms.

---

4. World Cup & American Soccer

U.S. Team Performance & Sports Culture

• Significant excitement as the U.S. team outperforms expectations in the World Cup; discussions include tactical approaches, momentum, and development of American athletic talent.
• Inspirational story of Alex Freeman (son of NFL’s Antonio Freeman) and breaking barriers between American football and soccer.

Notable Quotes

• "This is a team that has finally announced itself on the international stage." – Jonathan Hunt [96:33]

• "It just goes to show you, a lot of times you don't make the team you’re going to be on. But it doesn’t mean your glory is delayed, not denied." – Lawrence Jones on Alex Freeman [18:06]

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments with Timestamps

• On Iranian funds and threat:

  "If we give billions of dollars to Iran, that money will be used to murder Americans. And so I don't believe we should do that."
  — Jonathan Hunt [09:38]

• On Israel's security dilemma:

  "Israel cannot accept [Hezbollah’s presence] given Hezbollah's record of firing missiles and rockets into Israel."
  — Michael Goodwin [43:36]

• On domestic political impact:

  "No one has made the case to them... what people care about is their immediate concern... living paycheck to paycheck right now."
  — J.D. Vance [12:16]

• On the MOU's supposed benefits:

  "No forever wars, no nukes. The strait's open. It's going to bring the cost of gas and groceries down."
  — Senator Roger Marshall [20:20]

• On DSA and Democratic Party:

  "The Democratic socialists are his [Bernie Sanders'] children."
  — Roger Zakheim [61:41]

• On the World Cup/US Soccer:

  "If they play the way they're playing, they can absolutely compete against any team in this World Cup."
  — Tim Howard (via podcast replay) [71:43]

---

Important Segments & Timestamps

• [01:21–05:33] Iran MOU specifics, initial panel reactions, proxies, U.S.–Israel implications
• [09:38–11:24] Republican opposition to the MOU, internal party criticism and lack of political cover
• [19:55–29:36] Senator Roger Marshall: defends some MOU elements; debates over fees, IAEA, regional supervision, trust & verify
• [43:36–47:15] Michael Goodwin: Analysis of MOU's incompleteness; implications for Israel, regional control, U.S. politics
• [56:12–62:32] JD Vance & Roger Zakheim: Democratic Party’s direction, socialism, DSA, and the decline of centrist patriotism
• [96:33–107:49] Jonathan Hunt & Lawrence Jones: U.S. World Cup strategies, player management, coaching impact, sports culture
• [85:32–88:57] Matthew Continetti: Discussing Gen Z's lack of patriotism, solutions for reconnecting youth with American history

---

Further Highlights

Policy Recommendations & Political Analysis

• “All payments to Iran need to be based on performance. We cannot simply reward them for coming to the table.” – Matthew Continetti [79:37]
• If Iran acts in bad faith, the U.S. should respond "disproportionately," not proportionately, militarily.
• Emphasis on regional states in the Gulf stepping up for security—"Why does America have to be the babysitter for the entire world?" – Sen. Marshall [35:15]

Social Issues

• On Gen Z and patriotism, the need for active engagement via social media and alternative schooling solutions highlighted as crucial for future American stability.

Sports Segment

• Uplifting sports stories parallel the national conversation on effort, resilience, and unexpected achievement (e.g., Alex Freeman’s rise, U.S. soccer trajectory).

---

Final Takeaway

The episode powerfully underscores dissatisfaction with the U.S.-Iran MOU, warning about its global security and domestic implications—placing the burden of course correction squarely on JD Vance’s shoulders. It simultaneously weaves in urgent debates about American political identity, generational divides, and the hope offered by sports and individual resilience, providing both sharp critique and measured optimism.

Transcript

[Brian Kilmeade]

From high atop FOX News headquarters in

New York City, always seeking solutions, never

sowing division, it's Brian Kilmeade.

[Lawrence Jones]

All right, this hour we're going to be joined by Lawrence Jones as well as Senator Dr. Roger Marshall, Budget, health committee, education committees. It's going to be a busy week on Capitol Hill, certainly in politics. And Lawrence Jones, of course, fresh off three hours of me on Fox and Friends. And he says, listen, Brian, if you don't mind, can I please do radio every Monday? Big can I please bend like a dog? You almost like Maloney did for that picture with President Trump. Right. Just beg for that picture right in Italy. And sure enough, so I said yes and you know, to help politically. But I'm still mad at you.

[J.D. Vance]

I wanted to help you with the audience.

[Lawrence Jones]

Right. If you wanted to help me. But we have what an intense show we had, right? Not only a brand studio. I literally didn't even know what the upstairs of our studio looked like. And the show was in progress.

[J.D. Vance]

You remember the days of pre taping tv there's no days of pre taping anymore.

[Lawrence Jones]

You gotta, I mean, we woke up. Well, we were up already at 3 in the morning. Keir Stormer resigned.

[J.D. Vance]

Right.

[Michael Goodwin]

Okay.

[Lawrence Jones]

That'll change the show.

[J.D. Vance]

Let's just keep moving. Right.

[Lawrence Jones]

And then wait a second. The vice president, United States is done with his first marathon session.

[J.D. Vance]

We got a new four points of the deal. So.

[Lawrence Jones]

So that was within the show.

[J.D. Vance]

Then you got the killer that was on the bridge in Kansas City. Oh, yeah, we caught him. So it's just like it's with Ty Blanche. Yeah, with Ty Blanch. The country is off to a great start. Look, Brian, I don't know where you wanted to start, but I think we go right at Iran and the deal and the question that's still, of course, all the other points. And I talked to the president over the weekend and he made it very clear, you know me, you know how I feel about the security of our country. The deal is whatever at this point it is, what can I accomplish? Getting the straight open and making sure that they don't have a nuclear weapon and limiting their ballistic missiles. The problem, just the initial problem with this deal is when it comes to the proxies, Iran has showed no interest and not having Hezbollah. And it just seems to me right now, Brian, Israel is getting the blame right now for a mere response. The allegation is they want to take territory. No, they don't. They do want to have defense in place in certain parts of the territory so they can Defend themselves.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah. So the President said, I'm gonna go. Let's go over what the Vice President said because this is.

[J.D. Vance]

Right, right, right.

[Lawrence Jones]

So the President, we saw. And I got the 14 points with me. We're traveling all around with it and with it. There's so many disturbing things about. The United States will undertake and make fully available for the use. For use the frozen and unrestricted funds and assets of Iran upon the implementation of the MoU. So the MoU is implemented.

[J.D. Vance]

Do they get what the President said? That's also not true.

[Lawrence Jones]

Okay. But what I want.

[J.D. Vance]

I know, I know.

[Lawrence Jones]

It's interesting.

[J.D. Vance]

I know.

[Lawrence Jones]

So the thing is too is it was told to me is I'm not sure the President knows what's in. He's at the G7, flying back from doing a million things. You've got to be able to delegate to people and you know, and just to say, hey, by the way, Mr. President, you don't want to say that because it's in the text. Well, it better not be in the text because I don't agree with it. Well, it is in the text.

[Michael Goodwin]

Right.

[Lawrence Jones]

Well, immediately they're allowed to trade oil at market price. First time in years. Well, that's not great. That's millions of dollars right away. And the strait will be open. But at the end they are going to meet with Oman about how to administer the strait.

[J.D. Vance]

Really?

[Lawrence Jones]

They're going to administer. Will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products. That's a little bit surprising. And of course, the Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialogue with Oman to define the future administration of maritime of the strait. So fees and tolls.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Come on.

[Lawrence Jones]

So what do you expect me to do? How do, how do I defend this? I can't defend that.

[J.D. Vance]

What I have been told, let's say by a senior administration, sources be cool. Essentially. I'm not, I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, but essentially the paper, the MoU means nothing. It means nothing. It was just a starting point to get the straight open. It is the view of some that it was very important for the President because of the midterms to get the price of oil down. That if they wanted a real shot, then that had to be the problem here. Fix that problem. They also believe that they want to try to get some deal. But they, they will concede that it's probably not going to happen. And at that point in time, the military will resume their operations November and November after the election.

[Lawrence Jones]

But you know, the Iranians know our cycle too. And if they're gonna blow it up. They're blowing up in the fall. There's a less than 1% chance they're sincere. They'll blow it up in the fall. Right in October. And then out comes the oil. See this craziness, whatever. And the big picture, if the president could finish off this regime, no one's gonna remember the price of oil. But I'll just say about the interns, because I think the Republicans have a much better agenda. The Democrats agenda is I don't like Trump and socialists. So that's why I think the Republicans have. They can actually buck history and win it.

[J.D. Vance]

I agree with you on so many points. I'm perturbed about what I see in the MoU, but I'm not angry right now. I will become angry. If I see those ships, those carriers leaving the Middle East. Then I'm like, what are we doing? As long as the military is there, I have to accept the politics. And they have not moved.

[Lawrence Jones]

Right.

[J.D. Vance]

And I think that's the position of the President. You shouldn't be freaking out because my military is still there. And I've shown you with my record that I will use them when necessary.

[Lawrence Jones]

But I will say the Secretary of war wants 80 million, of course. So he needs 80 million for the operation. And they're going to come back at it. Here's J.D. vance and I have the four things. This is the one, cut. I want you to hear what they've agreed upon overnight. Cut three.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And that leads me to the final thing that we wanted to accomplish, which is actually set up the process for the technical negotiations that will follow. Our teams with working with the Iranians, the Qataris and the Pakistanis made great progress yesterday. They will continue to work at the technical level with the teams here in Bergenstock. And then those technical negotiations are going to continue over the weeks and days to come. We wanted to set up a structure for that so that you could have proper political oversight. But obviously, as much as this place is very beautiful, I can't stay here

[Lawrence Jones]

for the next 60 days.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I'm about to go back home to the United States. But the technical teams are going to be working with proper oversight to make sure that we're accomplishing the objectives that matter for everybody.

[J.D. Vance]

It's waste of time. It's a waste of time because we know everything at the end of the day has to go to the supreme leader. And right now, the irgc, who has the weapons, they don't want peace. They don't. And you look, they're posturing publicly, they're still funding the proxies as well. So I, me personally, I don't think we last forget 60 days. I don't think we last 30 days.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah, and then that would be problematic because instead of getting this done before the 4th of July and just finishing the job, the military wanted two more weeks, she didn't get it done. Now they got two more days and they come and have talks. We need to finish it off then. To do this in August would be really rocking the economy. But as people have told me now they go on to say that the IAEA is gonna be allowed back in to go inspect the nuclear sites. However, we don't know their freedom. And they're scientists, they're not gonna know what they don't know. They're gonna go where scientists go with pocket protectors. They're really bright people. But I worry that we need American scient and maybe to go in and see for ourselves because the iaea, we don't know how many sold out. Like the oil for food program, there were weapons inspectors there. Like the UN program that was feeding the Hamas and the Palestinians ended up being working for them and being part of the invasion October 7th. So I worry about the IAEA going in there. And then you always brought up the pickaxe situation, which we've never done anything except collapse the opening of. So are they going to get in there and move a few boulders and look around or are they going to go, no, no, we're not going to let you in there. And then they're going to be a part of getting the uranium out.

[J.D. Vance]

We've learned in the past that all these independent agencies have not been so independent, especially when it comes to giving America the middle finger. Okay. In the process. And so I'm not saying they can't be involved, but I want a representative of our government there to over. And can I just say this? Someone would experience. This is, this is a whole new ball. I don't need any special advisor. I need someone that understands the chemical makeup, right. That understand these plans we have, the people in the military with that experience that can break it all down. They need to be there.

[Lawrence Jones]

I want you to hear what some of the Republicans are saying about this cut 8. If we give billions of dollars to

[Jonathan Hunt]

Iran, that money will be used to murder Americans. And so I don't believe we should do that.

[Lawrence Jones]

They'll use the money that is being

[Senator Roger Marshall]

released to rebuild their, their ballistic missile

[Lawrence Jones]

arsenal and begin to enrich again. And that's going to be A continuing danger. That money, Brooke, we know, is not

[Brian Kilmeade]

going to go to build new hospitals or daycares.

[Lawrence Jones]

It's going to go to replenish their

[Brian Kilmeade]

drone stockpiles, their missiles to support terrorists like Hezbollah and hamas.

[Lawrence Jones]

We have 13Americans dead.

[Michael Goodwin]

We spent anywhere from 25 to $100

[Lawrence Jones]

billion in munitions, and turns out we've

[Michael Goodwin]

lost incredible threat attacking them again.

[Brian Kilmeade]

So there's a lot of stuff in there.

[Lawrence Jones]

It's bad. Yeah, well, he's wrong about that. This threat is still there. To attack them again, we do in a second. Nothing's changed.

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah, but the problem with all of these guys and some of them that we just played, I have a lot of respect for, but they haven't been helpful during the process. The only person that has been making the case is the President, Marco Rubio and Johnny Radcliffe and the Secretary of War of why we needed to be in this conflict. So the President had no political cover at all. Not from the representatives, not from the media. And I like the point that Trey Gowdy made over the weekend. He talks about someone else has to make the case of why we have to sacrifice the oil prices for a certain period of time, why the threat level is so high. That case has not been made. And so I'm sympathetic to the president when he says, okay, if I'm not gonna have the backing for this, then I have to do this.

[Lawrence Jones]

Right.

[J.D. Vance]

That's the reality.

[Lawrence Jones]

Well, Roger Wicker, that's why I talked to him three weeks ago. And I said, I just saw your comments. And he called me back and I say, you saw comments? You're really in support. I go, would be great. Did you call the president? Did you let him know? Because, you know, you're not usually the firebrand. And if you have his back, he goes, no, I think it's pretty clear. But I'm just a little upset that some of the way we're going lately, the fact that we didn't finish the job. So they CBS did a poll. 72% want the war to end. 42% expect gas prices to go down. 31% think Iran has stopped their nuclear program, think Nassam has stopped their nuke program. 69% said, we're not done yet, we should have finished the job. 59% think they will still threaten their neighbors. 22% think we are the winner. 30% says Iran's the winner. 31% say, worth the cost. 57% created more problems than it solved.

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah, because of the gas prices, Brian. And no one has made the case to them, what people care about is their immediate concern. Yep. Right. And that's, you know, living paycheck to paycheck right now. And so they want anyone that's gonna stop that pain. Now, if the case is made that within the next few months, let's just say just for the Iranians could attack one of our military bases with a ballistic missile, you think that'll change the viewpoint of a lot of America? Of course it is, but in a succinct way. They don't know about that.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Right.

[J.D. Vance]

I mean, we do this for a living, so we covered this. But most Americans are going to work. They don't know.

[Lawrence Jones]

I want some of those unfrozen funds to pay for all the damage done to our bases right. In the region. That's what Scott Bessen was saying, and now he's not saying it. He needs to be asked that. And that's one thing they better say. Some of the unfrozen funds, you're going to fix what you damaged.

[J.D. Vance]

Well, not just that. The frozen funds, they have to use a system and, well, maybe we call it escrow. Right. Where they could capture the funds back if they ever start their malign activity, which they're going to do right now, that hasn't been talked about. They just get the money. And I'm sorry, the idea that was suggested, that this would be great for our farmers, but they don't want beef.

[Lawrence Jones]

Well, tell them what they said.

[J.D. Vance]

Well, during the press conference today, the vice president said one of the things that he got the Iranians to agree to was to use some of the funds that are gonna be unfrozen to buy American products. Talking about beef from our farmers. And he said this came from Jared Kushner. Okay, great idea that they'll be using the funds to buy American beef. That will help our industry a lot. But they don't want beef. They want missiles. Yeah. So, I mean, well, we could say

[Lawrence Jones]

the only thing you could buy is corn. You know, corn and beef, whatever.

[Michael Goodwin]

And that.

[Lawrence Jones]

Will they ever agree to that?

[J.D. Vance]

Right. And then do you actually think it's going to go to the people? I mean, we were told about the starving children that are the Palestinian. And we saw Hamas would raid. Raid the grocery supply every time they crossed the border. So don't give me a radical is going to be a radical. And they don't care about their people now. They didn't care about their people before the war, so that. That. That just doesn't past the smell.

[Lawrence Jones]

All right, Lawrence, real quick. Thursday, we Are going to.

[J.D. Vance]

Where are we going? Oh, that's right. We got the big game.

[Lawrence Jones]

We go to World cup game.

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah.

[Lawrence Jones]

Germany, Morocco, I think it is. Yeah.

[J.D. Vance]

So it's gonna be my first game.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah. Ever.

[J.D. Vance]

Ever.

[Lawrence Jones]

All right, so he's gonna. He's getting to it. But I like the fact that you're open to it.

[J.D. Vance]

I'm open to it. I'm learning.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right.

[Lawrence Jones]

And I just love the way it's going so far. But the US Team winning real quick. What's that doing? You think the USA Hockey team was a big deal when they beat Canada for the World Cup? This. I mean, think about. They're already through and they have one game to play.

[J.D. Vance]

This is gonna excite the country because they counted us out. We've been dealing with people that kept saying, oh, they don't have a shot. They don't have a shot. Just calm down. Just calm down. Okay. All right. You know what? You know, you get people to be quiet, you just win. That's what these guys have been doing without. Our best player, by the way, only

[Lawrence Jones]

played one court, one half. All right, so when we come. By the way, Santa Clara will be the next stop. They're going to play Turkey on Thursday at the same time. We'll try to watch both those games. We'll give you the World cup report. Thanks so much, Lawrence. Great to see you. You're gonna have trouble calming down. This is too intense. It's a very intense for you. Go to do some Jiu jitsu, beat up somebody. Wrong size.

[J.D. Vance]

Exactly.

[Lawrence Jones]

Back in a moment where big stories need bigger conversations.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Stay informed and energized with the Brian Kilmeade show.

[Lawrence Jones]

Cheers to America's 250th birthday. Get 20% off your first purchase at foxnewswineshop.com with code FNRADIO 2020.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Discount excludes wine club offers and cannot be combined with any other promotion.

Expires July 31, 2026.

[Lawrence Jones]

Must be 21 or older to order.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Please drink responsibly.

If you're interested in it. Brian's talking about it. You're with me, Brian Kilmeade.

[Lawrence Jones]

Hey. Welcome back, everybody. So I'm all pumped up for the World Cup. The US Team is playing better than I ever could imagine. One of the great stories is Alex Freeman. And you know, his dad is Antonio Freeman, the outstanding wide receiver with the Green Bay packers. Here's Alex. Cut 22.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah.

I think for me, it meant a

[Lawrence Jones]

lot, right, Knowing that you kind of deal with these moments and just be Able to contribute to my team in

[Michael Goodwin]

any way I can.

[Lawrence Jones]

I think it was something very special to me. And doing the home crowd with my

[Brian Kilmeade]

family as well, they just made everything

[Lawrence Jones]

so special and just be able to kind of, you know, do it not only for my family and my teammates, but for the whole country as well. I think I made it. He was able to score the whole thing. He was able to score while his dad watched. Here's Antonio. Cut 23 for you, Antonio.

[J.D. Vance]

This must have been incredibly surreal because

[Lawrence Jones]

30 years ago in that very stadium, you put up two touchdowns in Seattle,

[J.D. Vance]

Watching your son do this in the

[Lawrence Jones]

very stadium where you had such an

[J.D. Vance]

incredible game, it must be mind blowing.

[Lawrence Jones]

Not only to you, to your family, to everybody.

[J.D. Vance]

You know, I forgot about my game

[Lawrence Jones]

in Seattle and the success that I

[J.D. Vance]

had there until the announcers brought it back up. But it's just been amazing watching this young man be one of the best in his country, represent his country, be

[Lawrence Jones]

a positive role model.

[J.D. Vance]

And it's just been an amazing ride for me just to watch him grow and to watch him become, you know, Alex Freeman, the US Right fullback

[Lawrence Jones]

and tough. He didn't know, he said he didn't know anything about soccer. And now watching his son, and I was watching, I was reading about him, and Alex Freeman was not making a lot of these academy teams, was being led off the roster. And finally the Orlando FC said, we want to put you on the academy, but he'd have to move. And he moved there as a kid and he moved to at 19, and now at 21, he's playing in the World Cup. So it just goes to show you, a lot of times you don't make the team you're going to be on. But it doesn't mean your glory is delayed, not denied.

[Brian Kilmeade]

History isn't just in textbooks. It's the story of us, the United States.

[Lawrence Jones]

2026 marks 250 years of America. And throughout the year, Bill Hemmer takes listeners on a journey through the 250 most efficient, impactful moments in American history. From the spark of revolution to the battles for freedom. The ideas, inventions and decisions that change the world. The 250 most impactful moments in American History Podcast. Listen and follow [e-mail].

[Brian Kilmeade]

Radio that makes you think this is

the Brian Kilmeade Show. What the President has asked us to do is turn over a new leaf to transform our relationship with the people of Iran and to extend an outstretched hand that says to the people of Iran that if your leadership is willing to give up being a driver of regional instability. If they are willing to give up nuclear weapons ambitions for the long term, then the United States is willing to fundamentally transform our relationship with that country.

[Lawrence Jones]

There's no way. Nobody thinks. I hope. I can't believe he's even serious about this. Of course they're not going to be doing that. They're more radical than ever. Senator Roger Marshall joins us now. Budget and Health and Education committees. And he's lucky enough. We're lucky enough to have you in studio. Senator, great to see you.

[Michael Goodwin]

Brian.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Great to be with you. We got a hot topic this morning.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah. So first off, the memorandum of understanding doesn't seem to be pleased. Too many people. Are you some somebody who's happy with how it's written?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

You know, I am. I think at the end of the day, what it does is no, no forever wars, no nukes. The straits open. It's going to bring the cost of gas and groceries down. That leads all this leads to a safer America. So this, this agreement delivers all that.

[Lawrence Jones]

So it says the Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialogue with Oman to define the future administration of maritime services, including. They go on to say, you know, some types of fees and tolls. I thought we'd never allow fees and tolls there. You don't think we. Fees and tolls there.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Right, Brian, we will not. Look, I've had discussions privately with Vice President Vance, just talked to Jared and Steve Witkoff before they left as well. We will not sign any agreement that allows that type.

[Lawrence Jones]

Why did they put that in this?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

I can't speak to that.

[Lawrence Jones]

You have to defend something that they say they're not going to accept. But it's in the writing.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Well, regardless, they're not going to sign that document. But beyond that, what I'm excited about is this regional approach that I think that that's something that the Persian Gulf countries should be able to police and make keep Iran in check as well. Look, we've defanged Iran now, so certainly those Persian Gulf countries can now step up and help control that situation.

[Lawrence Jones]

You really think Pakistan and Qatar are going to control that situation?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

No, I think we Saudi has to step forward along with better if they

[Lawrence Jones]

were in on these negotiations. Who's that? Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia and the uae.

[J.D. Vance]

Okay.

[Lawrence Jones]

I think you think they'd be more honest brokers.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

I think that they will be involved in these negotiations. I look at it like we're going down three roads right now. One road is dealing with nukes, one road dealing with Lebanon and Then a third is the regional approach to all these other issues, whether it's funding terrorism, missiles, whatever it is. We need some regional supervision of Iran, if you will.

[Lawrence Jones]

Right. They also said the US Will undertake and make fully available for use the frozen or restricted funds and assets of Iran upon the implementation of the MoU. So according to this writing is all they have to go on. It looks like they get their funds unfrozen as soon as the MoU is implemented. Is that how you understand it?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

No, that's exactly what's not happening.

[Lawrence Jones]

I just read, I just read this, Brian.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

I'm not a lawyer, you can read that forward, but I can assure you that we're not releasing any of those funds without a trust and verify situation. And right now what's going to happen, the first $5 billion, if it was released, as long as the strait stays open, will be for humanitarian efforts. That again, this regional approach to approving them and the United States can veto any of that money. So I think that Iran will use this money to buy agriculture products from Kansas. I really think that there'll be significant supervision over all this.

[Lawrence Jones]

So if they'rei mean, no one would think that would be a bad idea. It'd be a great idea. But for Iran to agree to buy agricultural products with their frozen funds, that would be a heck of a negotiation.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

I think that's, that's what's going to happen. That's what the Vice President is saying this morning as well. So I think again, there'll be significant supervision of where United States can veto any way that this money would be used. It has to be used for humanitarian efforts right now.

[Lawrence Jones]

So here is what JD Vance said this morning. They thought they made good progress this morning. Cut one. Well, actually cut to cut two.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I'm sorry, this is probably what we're most excited about as Americans. The Iranians have agreed to invite IAEA inspectors back into their country. That is a major milestone for the American people and the first step in permanently denuclearizing or permanently ending a nuclear weapons program in Iran. And that's exactly what we wanted to do. That's exactly what we asked to happen.

[Lawrence Jones]

So your thoughts about that?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

So this is an opportunity to turn swords into plowshares. That we can take this enriched uranium that's probably 60% enriched and de blend it, so to speak, down to a lower enrichment. And again, this is just the first step.

[Lawrence Jones]

Well, who's going to do that?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Well, we're going to supervise it. So, so we get it down to the 20%, but let me finish. And then what can happen is we can take that 20% uranium, send it to Russia and they can turn that into nuclear energy. This is only a half a ton of uranium. Right now we're dealing with. Russia took 500 tons from their nuclear weap and turned it into nuclear energy. So there's a precedent for this. Again, this is just the whole east

[Lawrence Jones]

that has nuclear weapons. Nobody, nobody enriches. They get enriched uranium in or fuel rods in.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

That would be the goal here. My goal is to get all the uranium out of there. The first step is to de. Blend it, so to speak, and then get it out of there. So again, we need this regional supervision to help make sure this happens.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right.

[Lawrence Jones]

It's been brought up to me that the IAEA on its own, without an American scientist, should not be acceptable. Do you agree?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

That would be my preference. And I think that's what they're talking about. As I, again, as I talked to Jared and Steve Witkoff last week, that's what they were describing to us as well, that there would be American scientists there as well.

[Lawrence Jones]

Are you concerned that Steve Witkoff and Jared seem to be blaming Israel way too much and the vice President's remarks on Friday were abhorrent, that they have no friends in the world except us and basically pipe, pipe down, Brian.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

I've supported Israel as strongly as anybody since I was in grade school.

[Lawrence Jones]

So it's got to offend you that.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

So I. So I certainly was taught he who blesses Israel will be blessed.

[Michael Goodwin]

Right.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

I think it's a very fine line there, walking. I would describe Jared and Steve both as very pro Israel type, type of people. I think that dealing with the Lebanon situation is probably the tinderbox that we're all worried about.

[Lawrence Jones]

Right. And the Lebanon situation. Do you know anybody in Israel if an officer goes off the reservation, that happens in war. But do you know anybody in Israel that wants to kill innocent people?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

I do not, of course.

[Lawrence Jones]

But do you know people in Hamas and Hezbollah that do and they have and they will. Why doesn't Jared and Steve Wyckoff make that clear? Like it just to me. I cannot stand the way we alienate that country because it's very similar to the podcast world in the Republican universe and very similar to everybody Democrat that's running for office right now. I don't know. A Democrat that is pro Israel is. They're afraid to say they're pro Israel if they lose Republicans. Israel is really isolated, look, almost, you know, terminally.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Yeah, certainly. I'M pro Israel, but I'm absolutely American first. And again, I just keep going back to these major goals is no more forever wars, no nukes for Iran, open the strait, cheaper gas and groceries for Americans. That's. We have to maintain that as our goal. Look, you and I know this war has been going on for hundreds, if not thousands of years, is only one

[Lawrence Jones]

with the courage to take it on directly, and that's.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

He should get credit for that first one in 47 years to take it on. But what I'm excited about is this demilitarized zone. You and I have both been to that Israel border with Lebanon. Setting up some type of a demilitarized zone there seems like a great solution. It's exactly what we came up with in Korea with the 39th parallel there under President Eisenhower. So I think that this is a great opportunity and one.

[Lawrence Jones]

I didn't know they had a demilitarized zone. What do you, what do you mean by that?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Well, I think that's what. That's what they're reporting out of the talks last night, stayed up all night. Is that the talks? How do we solve the Lebanon problem? That's the great thing about this agreement. One of the great things is it included Lebanon in the discussion rather than ignoring it. So the solution they're discussing is some type of a demilitarized zone between those two countries.

[Lawrence Jones]

I think that would be good. The problem, the reason why they tell me that Israel needed to go in, which they don't want to do. They have no interest in Lebanon. They have no interest. They had no interest in Gaza. When it was time to negotiate with Egypt, they gave up the Sinai Peninsula. What they want is security. And the problem that Hezbollah does is the tunneling underneath and the way they move up. And that's why they had to move out, because you told the people in northern Israel, you can't live there. It's not safe. So they live in hotels for the last two years. That's the problem. It's the size of New Jersey. You can't tell the northern part of their country. It's just not safe.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yeah.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

And you're not exaggerating again. I've seen those tunnels as well. It's just amazing how far and how deep that they can. They can tunnel. And then the Hezbollah goes in there to these little communities in Lebanon and I guess be southern Lebanon, sorry, southern Lebanon. And then they have military forces within there. So I do not criticize Israel for responding and going in there and attacking Hezbollah. But now that it's Attacked immediately. We can work on this demilitarized zone and we have a longer lasting peace. You know, the Korea DMZ stood since what, 1952 or three or so. So that's the only solution that I, that I see will work.

[Lawrence Jones]

Right. Do you think that the President's on the same page as the Vice President?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Absolutely I do. I think they're playing a little good cop, bad cop at times. I think this will be J.D. vance's finest moment. I think he's got a really solid head on his shoulders. He's an excellent negotiator. He is an American first as well. Again, he stays focused on those, those goals. No forever wars, no nukes, keep the straight open affordable gas and groceries for Americans. So I think they certainly agree on the same goals especially.

[Lawrence Jones]

The thing is, I think is unique here is Republicans who I think you really respect don't seem to be on the same page as a Vice president. Cut eight. If we give billions of dollars to

[Jonathan Hunt]

Iran, that money will be used to murder Americans. And so I don't believe we should do that.

[Lawrence Jones]

They'll use the money that is being

[Senator Roger Marshall]

released to rebuild their, their ballistic missile

[Lawrence Jones]

arsenal and begin to enrich again. And that's going to be a continuing danger. That money, Brooke, we know, is not

[Brian Kilmeade]

going to go to build new hospitals or daycares.

[Lawrence Jones]

It's going to go to replenish their

[Brian Kilmeade]

drone stockpiles, their missiles to support terrorists like Hezbollah and Hamas.

[Lawrence Jones]

We could end it there because Senator Bill Cassidy just angry at the President. I understand that you got primaried, so I know how angry he is. So we'll just leave that off. But you recognize those three names. They're probably as close as anybody to you in the Senate, right?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

So yeah, you know, great respect for all these people. The great thing about the Republican Party, 53 senators, 53 opinions right now. I just disagree with them. And look at this agreement doesn't work out if Iran doesn't, you know, dot the I's and cross the T's. We'll, we will blow them up, blow them back to the dark ages. But I hope that doesn't have to happen. Really. It's up to Iran now, what's going to happen next. I think that this gives them an opportunity. And again, we've defamed Iran. We have the opportunity for those Gulf countries to, to rally around this sit situation and police these people. And if they don't do it, then you win and we get to go blow up Iran. But I hope it doesn't come to

[Lawrence Jones]

that would you think November 5th, if they're still playing games, you would like to see them go back and finish off Iran after the midterms?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Yes.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah, I don't think.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

No boots on the ground. Okay, I want to preface that. No boots on the ground. No American troops on, on, on the ground. I, I grew up in the Vietnam area. I saw too many young boys in flag draped coffins. The Desert Storm started. I was a lieutenant in the army. That war went on for decades. No, forever wars. If we have to go back and

[Lawrence Jones]

there's a story, infrastructure. Persian Gulf war.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Yes, the 1991. So no boots on the ground. What I hate about this bigger bombing is there's going to be civilian casualties and we're just basically flaming that fire

[Lawrence Jones]

just to realize that country just killed 40,000 of their own people. So there are civilian casualties. So it's not black and white. Not like no killing. God killing. They're going to kill them. So can you stop them from killing them? How many of them? So it's not an easy issue.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

No, it's not. But it should it be America's issue. Should this be America's issue? Again, we've defanged Iran. I think I've said that a couple. Why can't the Gulf countries go in there and take care of their own situation right now? Why does it have to be American troops? I'm not going to let any, I'm not going to. We've already lost 13American soldiers. Basically defending Israel for the most part and getting rid of nuclear weapons. That's our benefit here as well.

[Lawrence Jones]

For a country that chants death to America and just tried to put an IRGC official in with the Iranian soccer team.

[Michael Goodwin]

Yeah.

[Lawrence Jones]

Who are going back and forth to America. I mean, you know, they are, they

[Senator Roger Marshall]

are absolutely a threat to America. I'm still mourning the loss of those 13 soldiers. You know, as a, as an officer in the military, as a senator, I feel responsible for the death of every soldier that we have right now. And I can't imagine that you would that any of us want our sons or grandsons, daughters dying for this situation.

[Lawrence Jones]

But if we handle Iran, maybe those, we handled them earlier with previous administrations, maybe we wouldn't have had the insurgency in Iraq when we went in. Maybe we wouldn't had, you know, we wouldn't have had those thousands that have been maimed and the hundreds that have been killed by Iranian EFPs and IEDs. Right.

[Michael Goodwin]

Yeah.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

And I think that what you're talking about is history is often the judge of These decisions, I try not to stay focused on what the press is going to say tonight. Like Eisenhower, I try to stay focused on what's the 10 or 20 or 30 years. So, again, my goal is that American people would be safer for decades to come. This agreement gives us the best opportunity to get there.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah. Depending on what happens.

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah.

[Lawrence Jones]

The MOU is not encouraging. What happens in the 60 days is I would love to see Iran back up with the Vice President said an hour ago. Then I go, okay, they're both on the same page. Let's see if that happens.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

But I don't think that's not gonna happen. So just like our President is messaging to us, Iran is trying to message us.

[Lawrence Jones]

He came out and talked to the world. He took the, he answered to the world press. You know, if they're gonna say what JD Vance said is not true, I don't see why continue these conversations. Because the Vice President said, this is the progress we made. He didn't say rhetorically, this, These are the negotiations I just walked out of. If they, if they deny it, what's the point of talking again?

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Yeah. So again, I think that both sides are shouting in the wind, trying to, in our case, working with the media and in their case, working with all the, trying to satisfy all the radical people. What I can tell you is from conversations with Jared, with Steve Witkoff after

[Lawrence Jones]

the meetings, or before this had been

[Senator Roger Marshall]

before the meeting, so is that there was already significant progress on the nuclear issue as well, so. Exactly.

[Lawrence Jones]

You know, they said in the jcpoa, we're not doing a nuclear weapon. And they were up to 60% of rail. So if they say the same thing as the jcpoa, trust, but verify.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Absolutely.

[Lawrence Jones]

We have to try and.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Brian, I don't want to sound like that. I'm an Iran apologist. I don't trust him. I don't think the President trusts them. I do think that this is their last chance. But again, I'm counting on the Gulf countries to step up. And by the way, you know, this agreement ends up with a UN Security resolution. So Iran is signed that, that there will be some type of a UN Security resolution. So I'm trying to bring in the rest of the world. Why does America have to be the babysitter for the entire world?

[Lawrence Jones]

It's just the responsibility you have with being the world's superpower, with allies that count on you. That's what happens when you win World War II. That's really been the situation for 80 years.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

It's been a few years ago. I think it's time for European countries to step up and do their part. We got our hands full with China right now.

[Lawrence Jones]

Never been more let down by any group allies than NATO during this time. From Italy to UK to France to Spain especially. So you're right. Senator Roger Marshall, always appreciate you coming in. Look, I hope forward. This is a smooth 60 days. Thanks so much. Back in a moment. It's Brian Kilmade. Breaking news, unique opinions, hear it all

[Brian Kilmeade]

on the Brian, Kill me Joe.

[Lawrence Jones]

We each have light inside of us and we need to know that that is what inspires our hope as much as anything external to ourselves. And not allow an election or an individual to dampen that light and instead let that light kind of carry us in particular through moments of darkness. It is so important that we not only have hope but that we understand that that should be a verb which means that hope has to go hand in hand with action. So that is the brilliance of Senator Kamala Harris. Vice President Kamala Harris again on with Don Lemon. So no one will see it. And she is continuing to be the front runner in most polls for the nomination. She would be a gift to Republicans. Business idiotic statements like that. That the problem with her. Everyone's got an issue. If you're, you know, sometimes you're a candidate, you're George H.W. bush got all this experience but no economic experience yet. John McCain, all this experience but no economic experience. Then you Donald Trump, all business, no political experience but he picks that up with Kamala Harris. She should be know the law, know politics and actually know the issues. I still people don't think she understands immigration, foreign policy or anything. She wants to be queen.

[Brian Kilmeade]

From the Fox News radio studios in

midtown Manhattan, it's the fastest growing radio talk show. Brian Kilmeade,

[Lawrence Jones]

everyone. So glad you're there. It's the Brian Kilmeade Show. It's been quite an intense Monday to kick off this week and my last way you could always catch the show if you have to miss it or you want to catch it anyway, make it a habit. Go to YouTube.com/at the Brian Kilmeade Show. The channel is growing like we've never seen before and no one's ever seen anything quite like it. Michael Goodwin is standing by. The New York Post would talk about what's happening tomorrow in New York primary. Socialist against Democrat, left wing, Democrat against a socialist. And these are despicable people that just hate the country. They don't just say I have a different philosophy when it Comes to the economics. When it comes to economics, that's different.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Different.

[Lawrence Jones]

You have a different philosophy. It doesn't work. But that's aside the point. I appreciate it. But when you have a history of saying America deserved 9, 11, and when you say that if I ever need a tissue, I can wipe my, I wipe my butt with the flag, things like that, I just don't think you should be in office. But instead, Mayor Moham Dami endorses those people. Roger Zakheim coming up at the bottom of the hour. He is the Washington director of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation. So let's get to the big three.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Number three.

[J.D. Vance]

Yeah.

[Jonathan Hunt]

I mean, it's amazing to know that

[Lawrence Jones]

we, we're going through, but we, we don't want to just go through. We want to win, win the group

[J.D. Vance]

and be top of the group.

[Lawrence Jones]

We've been to a lot of games across the country and there was more energy here today. We are feeling ourselves right now in the United States. We are back, baby. We are so back. That is World cup mania capturing America's attention in a way I didn't think possible. But not all of it has to do with the US national team. One request to our, to our tourists and all soccer fans, don't forget to tip. Yes, it matters in America.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Number two, all deportation is wrong.

[Lawrence Jones]

Is that something you still believe?

[Brian Kilmeade]

I still believe that all deportations are wrong.

[Lawrence Jones]

That is how we abolish ice. That is how we end the genocide. I've been calling to abolish ICE since

[Brian Kilmeade]

2018 in the first Trump administration.

[Lawrence Jones]

These are the people that are running for office. Socialists, time to shine in New York City. Scary to me, horrific for the Democratic Party, Tuesday's primary is extremely important. Number one, this is probably what we're

[Brian Kilmeade]

most excited about as Americans. The Iranians have agreed to invite IAEA inspectors back into their country. That is a major milestone for the American people.

[Lawrence Jones]

That is Vice President Vance. Well, the MOU is done in 60 days. The 60 day clock is ticking in a rollicking opening day of talks between Iran, the US and intermediaries. The MoU is awful and it's up to JD Vance to fix it. We'll talk about that too because he did have a press conference where he said some encouraging things. We did four things to change things. They have a mechanism now to keep the strait open. Should they have any conflict before they shut down the straight or open up the strait, they will have a mechanism to discuss things. Deconfliction to keep talks on and up and running. When it comes to Hezbollah and Israel. Yes, deconfliction is fine. You're going to tell Israel they have to go to the deconfliction board before they hit back on Hezbollah after they kill four IDF soldiers. And they're going to invite the IAEA back into their country, which is a great start. But we need an American amongst the IAE inspectors and a process for a technical organization. So, meaning the vice president, Steve Woodkoff and Jared Kushner likely are going to be leaving and leaving the technologists who know nuclear energy and other things to go over the nitty gritty. And they'll come back in periodically over the next 60 days. So let's bring in Michael Goodwin. Michael, great to hear from you. Your thoughts about the MOU and what we now know about day one and day two of the 60 day sprint to an agreement.

[Michael Goodwin]

Well, Brian, I think the best thing you can say about the MOU is that it's not the final word. Yes, the 60 days leave room for hope that the final deal will be improved upon. But the idea that the Iranians are going to do a 180 here and become sort of a civilized nation in the community of nations which J.D. vance talked about, a whole new relationship. I mean, that's what Barack Obama said and we know how that worked out. So can this theocratic regime reform itself? I mean, apparently they're still hanging the protesters, executing their own people. I have seen nothing that comes directly from the Iranians that convinces me there's even a chance that this regime is going to wholeheartedly change its ways. And every time Vance kind of, and even Trump, they put sugarcoating on every little development. But I think these are incremental things. They're not wholesale changes. And we went to war over the nuclear program, over the missile systems, and over the funding for Hamas and Hezbollah. Those things other than the nuclear, seem to have dropped off entirely. So I think in some ways this MOU is so incomplete. That's why a lot of people say the war has failed. The agreement is a sign of that. And as I write in my column, and the president and the vice president, I believe, are rattled by the criticism, including domestically. And so they're taking it out on Israel and basically trying to force Israel to accept Hezbollah right to stay in Lebanon. I mean, Israel cannot accept that given Hezbollah's record of firing missiles and rockets into Israel.

[Lawrence Jones]

So I want you to hear Chris Wright about the progress they are making. Cut 12 in the last 24 hours or yesterday, 67 ships went through the Strait of Hormuz the day before it was 55 ships. So in terms of oil and oil products, about, about equal to where we were before the conflict. So, yes, traffic is flowing through the straits quite nicely now. That's because of a US military presence. Iranians still have not de mined the central shipping channel, but the US opened a separate channel down south. And we've been, we've been escorting ships through that for several weeks now and at very high levels today. Yeah, I mean, we just got to figure out something and we have to spend this whole time coming up with a plan to open the strait. When the Iranians refuse and they start tolling and we say, no, you can't, and they say we are, and they're going to say now we have to have a military response to that. But the president doesn't want to do that and I understand it before the midterm elections. So many ball. He's got so many things to keep in mind. Can't just do the military, can't just do the political, can't just do the economic.

[Michael Goodwin]

Right. Yeah. And you're right about the time the clock is ticking on the midterms and there's nothing you can do that's going to quickly change the status quo. Now the 60 days is, are going to expire, of course, before the midterms. So that puts a lot more pressure on the negotiations. But I, I, I would be wary if we start to see how, hear this happy talk about how the Iranians are, you know, serious this time. I'd like to see the proof of that before I buy it.

[Lawrence Jones]

Absolutely. So some of the critics coming out of the woodwork, like for example, the Biden administration, which should be embarrassed to speak, but Amos Hochstein went on face the nation cut 11 first. Yes, Iran controls the strait. And I've said this for weeks, no

[J.D. Vance]

matter what the agreement says, whatever the MoU says.

[Lawrence Jones]

And by the way, the MoU hints

[J.D. Vance]

at Iran having control of the strait in the future together with oman inside the MoU, which is remarkable that we have essentially given that point away ahead of the negotiation. But Iran is already saying it's not. Control is not just about a toll, a price. For now, it's about, I want 48

[Lawrence Jones]

hours notice before you can cross.

[J.D. Vance]

Or they'll say, that ship from the company that I don't like can't cross today, you can cross tomorrow or never. Or if I don't like Saudi Arabia or I'm upset with Kuwait, I can say your ships are not crossing.

[Lawrence Jones]

Control means A lot of different things,

[J.D. Vance]

but effectively they are planning for control

[Lawrence Jones]

with eventually a toll of some kind

[J.D. Vance]

or a fee structure of some kind of. That's the world we're going towards.

[Lawrence Jones]

Well, in the MoU, he's right. But the President came out and says there's no way we're accepting that. So I rather believe the President, But I do have a hard time pushing back when it's in the mou.

[Michael Goodwin]

Yes, I agree, Brian. And that's why I think the MoU, as important as it was in sort of moving the ball forward a bit, also might have moved it backwards because prior to the war, there was no Iranian control of the strait. Now, if we're granting that, it's a gold mine for them if they can charge a toll or a fee for every ship that goes through there. So that would make that part of the Iranian control worse than before the war. So that is a big issue in the mou.

[Lawrence Jones]

So let's talk about New York primary elections, and it's socialism versus the extreme left. There's no Republican in here. First off, Dan Goldman's in a lot of trouble with Brad Lander. Dan Goldman, because he doesn't hate Israel. I guess he's going to lose. I mean, I'm not a fan of Dan Goldman, but Brad Lander is useless. And he's a former DSA member who believes anything that Mayor Mamdani wants him to. And there's a Democratic Socialist going after the Democratic Socialist going after Espalat of Adriano Espalat over in the 13th congressional district, Dariel Aza Avila Chevalier. Chevalier, whatever it is, she is an extremist to the nth degree. Hates America, loves Hamas. It doesn't. I mean, it's unbelievable that she would even be in New York City, let alone going for the congressional seat. And this is an established Hispanic leader. What can you tell me about what's going on in New York City and what can you tell the country?

[Michael Goodwin]

Well, Brian, I think the big headline here is how Mamdani really is trying to blow up the Democratic Party and make it the Socialist Party. Obviously, he helpers Bernie Sanders, aoc, Inon Omar, but I think this is a big moment for the leadership of the Democratic Party. And we've seen the pressure for years pushing the party left. Now you've got a bulldozer. Mamdani's election as mayor has given the far left its biggest platform yet, and he is using it in the first election to happen on his watch. And he. He has endorsed a raft of very far Left candidates that are challenging Hakeem Jeffries leadership of the Democratic Party in the House. Effectively he will challenge Chuck Schumer's leadership in the Senate if that's the case in 28. So Mandani is the real deal for the far left. He is a true socialist and he is using his political, political platform to try to take over the Democratic Party nationally as he has done in the city. And he will now try to do it in Congress. And you know, Katie, bar the door. These guys are real trouble for the whole country, starting now with the Democratic

[Lawrence Jones]

Party if you want to hear how bad they are. And this is why I'm bringing to New York, because the DSA has already put somebody in place in D.C. and Seattle. Listen to who these candidates that he's endorsing and what they believe.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Cut 16 all deportation is wrong.

[Lawrence Jones]

Is that something you still believe?

[Brian Kilmeade]

I still believe that all deportations are wrong. That would seem to also include people who were convicted of breaking U.S. criminal law.

Is the deportation of those people wrong?

[Michael Goodwin]

Yes.

[Lawrence Jones]

Thousands of volunteers have knocked on 200,000 doors. That is how we abolish ICE. That is how we end the genocide and that is how we guarantee housing and Medicare for all. I've been calling to abolish ICE since

[Brian Kilmeade]

2018 in the first Trump administration. Congressman Goldman started calling to abolish ICE in the last month or two.

[Lawrence Jones]

Right. So this is what these people believe. That one was Chevalier, the other one was Valdez, the other one was Brad Lander. It looks like Lander is going to win.

[Michael Goodwin]

You know, Brian, I have a suggestion for our listeners. If you want to see how radical these people are, sign up for the emails from the dsa. The Democratic Socialists of America who's which is behind all these candidates. And we'll see how far, far, far left they really are. And these are the people who want to take over our city, our state and eventually our nation.

[Lawrence Jones]

They do. And Platinum is another example. He's out there talking about impeaching Supreme Court justices. Others are talking Ro Khanna talking about packing the court. You have Cory Booker says, I'm going to put a age limit 18 years as most you can serve in the Supreme Court. We know they want to add two more states. We watch Kamala Harris say, I want to get literal Electoral College. They want to blow up the institutions instead of trying to win, they want to change the rules. And that's what's different from the Bill Clinton and Al Gore and John Kerry. They were just looking at winning. These guys are looking to Change the country.

[Michael Goodwin]

Yeah. No, you're absolutely right. That's a big distinction. They don't like the institutions. It's not just who's in them. They resent the, as you say, all of these big institutions. They want to destroy them because they are in their way. They don't want to reform them. They want to destroy them.

[Lawrence Jones]

Go get them. Michael Goodwin, thanks so much. Look forward to your next column in the New York Post. Host, appreciate it.

[Michael Goodwin]

Thank you, Brian.

[Lawrence Jones]

You're welcome. Back in a moment from breaking news to big name guests, Brian brings you

[Brian Kilmeade]

insight you won't hear anywhere else.

You're listening to the Brian Kill Meat

[Michael Goodwin]

show,

[Brian Kilmeade]

The fastest three hours in radio Your with Brian Kilmeade.

[Lawrence Jones]

Hey, we are back and there's a few things going on here. I think it's really important. We went over a little bit with, with Michael Goodwin about the socialists who are stepping up and speaking out and taking control of the Democratic Party. And what I said repeatedly is I just can't believe the Nancy Pelosi's, the Chuck Schumer's, the Bill Clinton's. I thought Hillary Clinton, but she's a chameleon, will go with ever hot. You know, we'd stand up and go, listen, what are you guys talking about? About you don't like the country. You want a wide open border. You what you believe there should be a wealth tax. That's not going to win us a general election. That's that might get you, Mike, might get you with a lot of money from the dsa, which I don't think is part of the Democratic Party. It might get you somewhere, but it's not going to get us a big win on the federal government. You're going to tell me the Midwest is going to go for a socialist party that doesn't like America? Are you nuts? Especially in year 250. But that's what's so crazy. There's people are not stepping up. I mean, this Graham Platner is just as bad as anybody else. What happens is you got caught up in his tattoos and his horrible personal behavior. But what he represents is even scarier than who he is. And that's a guy that was just on a teen dating site up until maybe a month ago. So people want to say, oh, he's got problems, but he came back with ptsd. Really? So why is he still doing this crap? Here's ro Khanna, cut 21.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, I do believe those women and I have said that his past conduct was shameful and I totally condemned it he did two, three tours of duty in Iraq. He came back with ptsd. That's not an excuse. But he said that he had a problem with alcohol.

[Lawrence Jones]

He had a ugly period in his

[Brian Kilmeade]

life and he believes that he is

[Lawrence Jones]

transformed and he has had redemption.

[Brian Kilmeade]

And the voters of Maine had a choice and they voted for him by 72%.

[Lawrence Jones]

They did because the other woman, who is an established boy, too old, 78 years old to be the oldest senator ever served for six years. The governor, the governor was, was basically swamped by what many people said is a DSA money and all the momentum behind it. And they thought they had a real man and said they had a fake oyster farm farmer who really sells to a restaurant. That was a friend of his parents. His parents bought him a house, he went to prep school. This guy is no working class maniac. He says he's as manly as Governor Waltz, which by the way, is not manly. He's a fake guy. So who knows what's wrong with this guy and who knows if it's anything to do with the war. Cuz how bad was he when he went back as a contractor again? Was he going to stay over there until he was mentally damaged? I'm not sure. But if he thought he was so deranged or his family was, why didn't they step up and say maybe you shouldn't serve as a contractor? Some of the things that he said, I think also gloss over the fact that he's just one of the many people the DSA has gotten behind. Keep an eye on this New York race. I'm telling you, you probably don't care about the city and probably not going to travel the city. But if they want to, if the socialists want to make inroads, they do it in places where Democrats will win regardless. And then they just try to blow through without any worrying about winning in the general. They're not going to do it in purple states, they're going to do it in deep blue states. And this is one of them.

[Brian Kilmeade]

The talk show that's getting you talking

your with Brian Kilmeade.

My hope, my genuine hope was that the lesson the Democrats learned from the 2024 election is maybe we should stop being so crazy. And unfortunately, the lesson that Democrats seem to have learned from the 2024 election is to lean into the most radical fringes of their party. I mean, you guys know this. I was raised by patriotic Christian blue collar Democrats who loved this country, but they weren't Republicans. But I feel unfortunately that those patriotic blue Collar Democrats, they increasingly don't have a place in that party anymore, at least among the elected senior leadership ranks.

[Jonathan Hunt]

There you go.

[Lawrence Jones]

And that is the vice president going after what he thinks is the extremists on the left and watching kind of helplessly as these cities turn themselves over to socialists when things get bad. Look for more spending, look for more permissive behavior, allow for more illegal immigrants. Is that the philosophy? Roger Zakhaim joins us now. Washington director of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Foundation. Roger, this is a pretty unique time in American history. The Democrats aren't going center left, they're going to the left of the left. And the people that should be most upset are fellow Democrats and they're not saying a word.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, the Democratic socialists of America are having their, their moment and it's playing out in every election. Primaries are difficult to win. And as you know, those that are the most active, those that are involved in the early stages are the ones generally that drive the outcomes. Who's going to be on the ballot. And the Democratic socialists are the most active. We saw that are active. We saw that with Mamdani in New York City here, there. You witnessed the way that they drove that primary. And now we're seeing it replicated in cities across the country.

So.

So the vice president is right to highlight this. I mean he was out there on the View making the case in a very reasonable, calm manner, persuasive. I mean, the vice president used to be everywhere. We're seeing him in Geneva, you're seeing him or I'd say Switzerland. And we're seeing him talk about our national politics. I mean, he's covering the gamut right now.

[Lawrence Jones]

He's got a book out, he's looking to sell it so that also while it be in the middle of negotiations with Iran war, he was not for. Here is Claire Valdez. You want to hear radical? Listen to this on Ms. Now where she belongs, cut 18. Does it impact because you keep talking

[Jonathan Hunt]

about billionaire developers, but would your plan differentiate between working class people who rely

[Lawrence Jones]

on their rental income to rise at the same rate as inflation? I mean, I think we have to take seriously the fact that a there's not enough deeply, permanently affordable housing. And in this country, especially in New York City where rents are going up astronomically, you know, I live in Ridgewood. Rents are going up terribly in Queens.

[Jonathan Hunt]

We have to counteract that.

[Lawrence Jones]

You know, my landlord is a mom pop landlord. We want to make sure that everyone in New York City has safe, dignified, affordable housing. And the people who are making that Impossible are real estate developers. And we're talking about big, you know, multibillion dollar companies. We're not talking about the mom population, landlords. So she's all over the place. But she wants to freeze rents. And they go, you freeze rents, people are just going to go out of business. So she blames developers. How do you build apartments without developers? Is do you think the goal is to have these people to get to go defunct and then government takes over, the city takes over.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, I'm coming to you from the Reagan Institute, Brian. So the mindset is government is not the solution. Government is the problem. Right. And so the notion that somehow we're going to solve our housing crisis, which is a problem problem with price controls and government mandating outcomes, you're right. It will result in less housing, less quality housing. We had our Reagan National Economic Forum not too long ago on stage we had Charlie Scharf as the CEO of Wells Fargo as well as the CEO of Home Depot. And there are absolutely things we can do to unleash the private sector to solve this problem. But adding regulations, adding government and putting them in the center of solving this, this is just going to result in those people who can build the housing basically sitting out. Wells Fargo, for example, we learned they don't even play in the home mortgage game right now because the incentives aren't there with the sort of the regulatory requirements towards how much cash you have to have on hand in order to engage in mortgages. So there are things we could do to introduce new opportunities for all Americans to increase housing. We're just not doing it it and you know, conservative outlook is, is the opposite. We just heard in that clip. It's to introduce more of the private sector to contribute to the problem, to solving the problem.

[Lawrence Jones]

There's another trend that make Ronald Reagan sick to his stomach and that is the wealth tax. So let's take the wealthy and try to take more of their money. And now Bernie Sanders campaign over the weekend with the wealth tax. So when you roll out all these, when you roll out all these socialists, now you have their leader, their fearless leader was accomplished nothing in his political career. Bernie Sanders, all he does is rant. He doesn't really do anything thing. Now they're going to have a wealth tax. Now the wealth tax has been a repellent in places like Germany, France, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, Netherlands. They put a wealth tax in and they turned it around because it was detrimental. People just started moving out of the country. Now when you have a wealth tax, the wealthy move out. Of the states, they find a way to financially strategize around it and it just forces people to make a move. Why is this, why is this getting such political resonance?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, these are redistributionists. So if you're the outlook of the progressive, it's all about, hey, how can I go and take from those who have to address those who don't have the outlook that we champion. The Reagan esque outlook is to create opportunities for everybody, to strive for everybody, to see growth and improve their lot in life. You know, Bernie Sanders, you're right, it doesn't have to show for in the form of legislative wins or even, even major political lens. Of course he did not capture the Democratic nomination, Brian. But if he looks across the country right now, there is no Democrat that's more influential in these elections at the local level and at the national level than Bernie Sanders. This is not Bill Clinton's Democratic Party presently, it's Bernie Sanders Democratic Party. The Democratic socialists are his children.

[Lawrence Jones]

There's no doubt about it. And AOC is also somebody that is picking her spots. Looks like she's gonna run for president in the big picture. But I think one thing is when there's two things going on, when people run for socialism, they run as so I want to be a socialist. Okay, that's interesting. They're embracing it, but it's a economic philosophy. But along with the socialism comes a fundamental dislike of America. I mean, you're seeing this over and over again. You know, Platner says terrible things about our country. You see these, these candidates in New York City, horrible things about our country. You see this, El Said, who's running for the Senate seat in Michigan. That's open, open. Horrible things about our country. Their number one podcaster, their Rush Limbaugh Hassan Piker says that we deserve 9 11. And it gets worse from there. See, isn't that a new dynamic that we're witnessing now?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well, it's a, it's, it's fundamental to progressive left. This, this is what they champion. They focus on the, the parts of our history that need to be corrected or improved.

[Michael Goodwin]

Right?

[Brian Kilmeade]

And they're stuck on the that. And they look out and they have no faith that we are advancing a more perfect union, that those values enshrined in our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution are not something to be changed, to be overcome. Right? You and I, we look at this and we see America 250. This is a moment where we should advance those values that have allowed America to be prosperous. And we believe that it took us this 250th year so successfully, it'll give us another 250 years. They're looking to change that in a radical way, both in terms of the socialist sort of policies that you've articulated and in other domains, you know, court packing and just overall trying to fundamentally sort of disregard and walk away from the founding principles that have done our democratic republic so well.

[Lawrence Jones]

Let's talk about Iran. If I was, if Ronald Reagan was around right now and I told him that Iran's a problem, he would not be surprised at all. It was an emerging problem when he took over and it had been a persistent problem I think on seven subsequent presidents afterwards. Where do you think we're heading now as negotiations had a couple of days to get started and I guess 58 days left to finish.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I think it's a perilous moment for us, Brian. President Trump accomplished so much with Midnight Hammer and Epic Fury, absolutely cut down the Iranian regime to size. It's fine to engage in negotiations. It's absolutely fine to go ahead and try to close this thing out without carrying out another round of military operations. Epic Fury 2, whatever you want to call it. But I'm stuck presently, particularly on that first article of this memorandum of understanding that somehow we're giving Iran a say over the territorial sovereignty of Lebanon, a separate country, that somehow the United States is going to be the enforcer of a Iranian veto over Israel's right to self defense.

[Lawrence Jones]

Crazy.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I mean this, this is just a different world. We've spoken about this before. But let's, let's just for, you know, a few seconds here, revisit why Israel finds itself in southern Lebanon. Because after October 7, Hezbollah decided to get in on the conflict firing on northern Israel. 60% of northern Israel's population had to leave. They were told to leave and Hezbollah continued to attack. Israel can never put itself in the position again where its population can't remain within its sovereign territory. And to do that they have to create this buffer zone. The only thing I think the American delegation should be mandating, should be requiring of the Iranian delegation in this negotiation is get Hezbollah out, disarm Hezbollah in Lebanon. Until that's required, Brian, there should be no other outcome or discussion around Israel, Lebanon in these negotiations.

[Lawrence Jones]

Absolutely. And they said before that now there's going to be a process where if some days, if something flares up, they're going to go through an intermediary. But I don't think Israel is going to wait for IDF soldiers are killed, they're going to go back in and hit him. The President says he's disappointed they haven't finished off Hezbollah. But when Syria flipped and Assad is out, 50,000 Hezbollah members went back to Lebanon on, and they did, were brilliant in taking them down with the walkie talkie explosion and the pager explosion and nasarella's death. They are dismantling the number one terror group in the world that's been around for now 50 years.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I mean, this is a hard challenge. It's not something that Israel's been able to do, you know, in one or two strikes. Clearly it remains. But the United States needs to be clear in terms of where it stands on this. Yes, this is a terrorist organization by our law, not just by Israel's point of view. This is, by US Law, Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. We should do nothing to legitimize Iran's point of view that they have a say over Lebanon. And we certainly should do nothing to legitimize the presence of this terrorist organization within Lebanon. Now, how do we defeat Hezbollah? What has to happen? Certainly Israel has a need to make sure that these RAD1 forces don't. They don't reassemble in southern Lebanon. They have to clear out the stockpiling. We saw a drone factory that was built underground in southern Lebanon. That all needs to be cleared out. But the United States in its negotiations with Iran should not touch upon this and certainly shouldn't give way on it. Frankly, I don't understand why Article 1 is even there. If the United States and Iran, the Trump administration, wants to have a negotiation over opening the Strait of Hormuz, releasing some of these frozen funds, allowing the Iranians to sell oil. Okay. You know, let's see how that shakes out. This seems like a total concession to the Iranian position. I thought it was in there just to get the negotiation going. It turns out it's the focus of negotiation. I really think that needs to stop.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah, it better stop. And I thought the vice President had a much better tone today than he had on Friday, which was inexcusable to talk to our ally like that. Bibi Netanyahu, by the way, that was leaking out of the administration. I know. Didn't come from the president.

[Brian Kilmeade]

President.

[Lawrence Jones]

That Netanyahu is more concerned about his election. Really? He's not concerned about his election. The 72% of the Israeli people want Hezbollah neutralized or destroyed. And guess who else does? Lebanon. And guess who's keeping them there? Iran. So Iran should have no say over another country.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That is a key point. We saw this during the Biden administration, every time the Biden administration got frustrated with Netanyahu, they would say, oh, gosh, Netanyahu is just there to deal with his political issues. What the Biden administration didn't realize is that the war in Israel, the war between Israel and Hezbollah, is Israel's war. It's not Netanyahu's war. And the Trump administration, of course, understands that, and that's why they've been such great partners. And I think you're right. Vice President Vance today used the language of it's time for Iran to reign in Hezbollah. The second we see some evidence of Iran reigning in Hezbollah, we know we are making progress in this negotiation. But of course, they'd be using Hezbollah to try to create this fissure between Israel and the United States and to upset any progress in the negotiation as it relates to opening the Strait of Hormuz.

[Lawrence Jones]

Roger, always great to talk to you. Appreciate your time. Roger Zakhaim with the Reagan Presidential Foundation. Thanks, Roger.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Thank you.

[Lawrence Jones]

Back in a moment. Don't go anywhere.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Brian Kilmeade will be right back.

[Lawrence Jones]

He's so busy, he'll make your head spin. It's Brian Kilmeade.

[J.D. Vance]

Just to be clear, Elmo wants Team USA to win.

[Lawrence Jones]

Okay, But Elmo loves everybody. Just to be clear, don't make this a thing.

[J.D. Vance]

Thank you.

[Lawrence Jones]

Elmo loves you and Elmo loves you and Elmo loves you and Team USA and everybody who's playing. What is this? What is that? That was Elmo. Do you remember the heat he got for saying everybody does? Yeah, he, you know, he likes the Knicks, but also wants the spurs to do well. So he did something on. I want the Team usa, the men

[Jonathan Hunt]

to win, but I also love everybody.

[Lawrence Jones]

So, you know, I don't think he's gonna get the hate from the United States that he got from New Yorkers. Well, we'll see. But we know this, that the crowd in Seattle was absolutely amazing. As expected. Evidently, they built the stadium in a way that makes it so much louder. They Talked about the 12th man being on the field and then the saying, take me home after they win, knowing that later on that day, they go officially through in two games. They win the cup, they win the group, and they're going to move on. They're going to play in Santa Clara in the knockout round of 32, which is pretty amazing. And then we'll see how far they can go. Here's Landon Donovan and Tim Howard on their podcast, Unfiltered Soccer. These are two of the greatest. Tim Howard's the greatest American goalie ever, I think. And Landon Donovan, greatest forward to date. He, along with. Along with. He is, along with Mia Ham, the leading scorers, respectively, in men and women's soccer history. Cut 28. Cut 26.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Can we.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yes.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Has this group proven it, that they

[Jonathan Hunt]

can beat a top team?

[Brian Kilmeade]

No. I'll tell you this, Tim, and I mean this. If they play the way they're playing,

[Lawrence Jones]

they can absolutely compete against any team

[Jonathan Hunt]

in this World cup for sure. Yeah.

[Lawrence Jones]

Can you do it?

[Brian Kilmeade]

I've said this over and over. Can you do it four times in a row?

[Lawrence Jones]

You do it in a round of

[Brian Kilmeade]

16, a quarter, a semi, and a final.

[Lawrence Jones]

That is where it gets really hard, but momentum gets going.

[Jonathan Hunt]

You never know.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Is it likely?

[Lawrence Jones]

No, it's not likely. The US Cannot unequivocally win the World Cup. The US Will have to play the greatest game they've ever played three times in a row.

[Michael Goodwin]

Sorry.

[Lawrence Jones]

Four games in a row. Round of 16. Quarterfinals.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah.

Semifinals. Finals.

[Lawrence Jones]

It is literally impossible for the US

[Brian Kilmeade]

to win the World Cup.

[Lawrence Jones]

That's going to come across crazy.

[Brian Kilmeade]

People are going to say, I'm whatever.

[Lawrence Jones]

That's just the reality. But we're super excited for this ride run. Well, I feel great now. No, Tim Howard plays internationally and he has seen everything at every level. So you can't just dismiss it. Landon Donovan says you can't dismiss either. I laugh when people say, I see them getting to the quarterfinals, but, well, who are they playing? You know, people like, well, the Knicks will get to the conference finals, but that's all they'll. They'll get there because the Celtics going to beat him. Well, 76ers beat the Celtics, so Belgium beat the. Beat the US pretty handily. 5 2. Which is an exhibition game. They were trying some things, but they're better.

[J.D. Vance]

Guess what?

[Lawrence Jones]

Belgium is fighting for the left. They might not even make the knockout round. So things change. I. I just think if you think the US can get to the quarterfinals, there's no way they can't get to the finals. And they get to the finals. Who says they can't win? If the thing that the.

[J.D. Vance]

The.

[Lawrence Jones]

When the team was not good enough in 1990 and when they were in Italy, that's. That's a team that's never going to win the World Cup.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Cup.

[Lawrence Jones]

If you tell me you're in the knockout round, what do you mean you can't win it? I just don't get that. The one thing I'd have to ask for is the world should understand this they have to tip. Cut 27 tip. For the people who are coming to America for the World cup and have

[Brian Kilmeade]

discovered ranch dressing, make sure to put that ranch in there. Check luggage. And I would also recommend that you

[Lawrence Jones]

put it in a Ziploc bag so

[Brian Kilmeade]

you don't have rain ranch on all your clothes.

[Lawrence Jones]

Stop trying to pack liquids in your suitcase.

[J.D. Vance]

When you can just take this guy

[Lawrence Jones]

home, just add milk and mayonnaise, get you the packets.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Fill up the suitcase with the packets.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Right?

[Lawrence Jones]

So that's it. That's the fans talking about the. I guess we invented ranch dressing. I had no idea. But Evan there were the world is obsessed with it. So he's trying to sneak it home. And they said you got to put in your luggage and they give. The TSA was there giving all these tips. But the other thing is I was talking to about when you go to a bar, you love the bartender. You get good service. In a restaurant, you have to leave a tip. I know in your country don't leave a tip, but that's how they're funded.

[Brian Kilmeade]

From high atop Fox News headquarters in

New York City, always seeking solutions, never

sewing division, it's Brian.

[Lawrence Jones]

Kill me there. It's the Brian Kilman Show. Come to you from 48th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan. We got Jonathan Hunt coming at the bottom of the hour from Los Angeles. He's the chief correspondent of a Fox News channel, but he's also a soccer aficionado. Wants to bring us inside the the he's British, of course, born now an American citizen. He's going to bring us inside the Americans run. And now I cannot believe they're about to start their third game and don't even need to win it. Question is, what do you do? Do you play? Six start, you rest six starters, Anyone on a yellow card, do you put them out? Because you know if you get two yellow, you have to sit out the next game. And the next game's a knockout round. So as great as this run is, it could end abruptly. Now people's hopes are extremely high. Matthew Continente is standing by director of Domestic Policy Studies and near a Neil Chair at the AEI and columnist at the Wall Street Journal. So we'll continue to also take your calls and emails. I got a lot of emails over the weekend from one nation and from this show. So I'm going to get to some of them this hour. So let's get to the big three.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Number three.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah, I mean, it's amazing to, to

[J.D. Vance]

know that we, we're going through but

[Brian Kilmeade]

we we don't want to just go through.

[Jonathan Hunt]

We want to win.

[Lawrence Jones]

Win the group and be top of the group. We've been to a lot of games across the country and there was more energy here today. We are feeling ourselves right now in the United States. We are back, baby. We are so bad. Brad was just crazy. World cup mania. Capturing America's attention because of how great the Americans team is. But not all of it is about the U.S. national team. The people are loving this culture. They're loving the different states. They're loving the venues. They're liking air conditioning. They like ice. I have one question for you. One request. Don't forget to tip your waitresses and your bartender. In America, that matters.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Number two, all deportation is wrong.

[Lawrence Jones]

Is that something you still believe?

[Brian Kilmeade]

I still believe that all deportations are wrong.

[Lawrence Jones]

That is how we abolish ice. That is how we end the genocide. I've been calling to abolish ICE since

[Brian Kilmeade]

2018 in the first Trump administration.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yes.

[Lawrence Jones]

Socialists, they're everywhere. Time to shine in New York City. Scary to me, Horrific for the Democratic Party. Tuesday's primary is extremely important here in New York City.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Number one, this is probably what we're most excited about as Americans. The Iranians have agreed to invite IAEA inspectors back into their country. Country that is a major milestone for the American people.

[Lawrence Jones]

Well, the mou is done and 60 day clock is ticking. In a rollicking opening day of talks between Iran and the US the vice President has spoken about progress. I'll let you know how it goes. I know the MOU is just awful. I know that. And that's. We'll begin. Matt, I read the mou. It's so easy. Even I can understand it. It's not in lawyeries, and some of the facts of it are terrible, but I guess it launched these 60 days of talks. Your thoughts?

[Michael Goodwin]

Yeah.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Launched the 60 days of talks. And I think most important for President Trump, Brian, it opened the Strait of Hormuz. We had some back and forth over the weekend with the Iranian government saying that they had closed the Strait of Hormuz. That seems to be false. It seems as though the traffic is going through. And I think that's really why President Trump signed this deal. The. The economic and political pressure was mounting and Trump needed to get out of the box he had put himself in with the Strait of Hormuz. And now as he sees oil prices fall, gas prices fall, and markets go up, I think he's happy to play this out for the next 60 days

[Lawrence Jones]

because the midterms matter. It's going to, it's really going to define his final two years. Is he going to be fending off investigation after investigation? Can he get, if he loses the Senate, Senate, can he get anyone approved and confirmed? Here is just to back up your point. This is exactly what happened in reality with the Strait Cut 12 is Chris Wright the Secretary of Energy.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

In the last 24 hours or yesterday,

[Lawrence Jones]

67 ships went through the Strait of Hormuz. The day before it was 55 ships. So in terms of oil and oil products, about. About equal to where we were before the conflict. So yes, traffic is flowing through the straits quite nicely now. That's because of a US Military presence. Iranians still have not de mined the central shipping channel, but the US Opened a separate channel down south. And we've been, we've been escorting ships through that for several weeks now.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Right.

[Lawrence Jones]

Very high levels. They got to do some demining. That's pretty clear. But we, maybe the Europeans can help with that. We don't really have a lot of de miners, but we need 100 ships through the there. I mean, that's where it was before. So your thoughts about the 60 days? They said that they've agreed on four things. They've agreed to let the IAEA in. Did the Iranians. They have a process for a technical organization because they let their tech team behind both sides to work out the details. They're also going to have a de conflicting, I guess, bureau when they talk about Israel and Hezbollah, there's going to be someone they go to before they attack each other again. And now a mechanism to keep the strait open. See, these are some of the things that the vice president listed as showing progress.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That's right. Look, I think it was important for President Trump to get the strait open for the political and economic reasons I mentioned. But at the same time, we can't allow ourselves to get swept away with this idea that somehow the Iranian regime has changed or that its goals have changed or that it's somehow going to be changing its behavior. This is the world's largest sponsor of terrorism. It is a revolutionary regime dedicated to the destruction of Israel, which it calls the Little Satan, and to the death to America. That's what they chant in Tehran every Friday, which Iranians refer to as the Great Satan. That hasn't changed. Their objectives have not changed. They want to continue the revolution and to remain as the governing power and spread chaos in the Middle East. And so we have to go into these 60 days with our eyes open to the reality of The Iranian regime. And what I think that means is two things, Brian. First. First is all payments to Iran need to be based on performance. We cannot simply reward them for coming to the table. That will only align the incentives in the wrong direction. And secondly, as President Trump mentioned over the weekend, if the Iranians are backsliding, if they truly do try to close the strait again, if they do walk off of these negotiations, if it's proven that they are continuing their malign behavior in the region, America needs to respond not proportionately, but disproportionately to get the Iranians attention and to get this process back on track. I think Those are the two things necessary as the 60 days unfolds. And we also need to understand that at the end of the 60 days, it is very unlikely that the Iranians are going to give up their nuclear program. And so President Trump needs to be ready to walk away as he has in the past, or if he's concerned with the midterms, as I know he is, he needs to keep extending that 60 days without granting the Iranians concessions.

[Lawrence Jones]

Do you fear and worry about Iran saying to China, hey, why don't you put a base here? Why don't you open up a base right in our country? That would change the dynamics of whether we attack or not. Because then you're talking about a superpower fight.

[Brian Kilmeade]

That's true. That would be. I mean, I think the way that China sees it, they already kind of have a base and it is Iran and it is the irgc. The irgc. And the Iranian government has kind of been like the sharp end of the spear for China as it is trying to revise the rules of the international order to downgrade the United States and make China prominent. And we have to remember, what did Trump accomplish in Operation Epic Fury? He blunted the sharp end of the spear. Here we go into this negotiations period with the Iranian military. I mean, the navy's sunk at the bottom of the, of the reds of the Persian Gulf. The air force is gone. The air defenses are gone. The defense industrial base is gone. Many of the missile launchers, which are more important than the missiles, they're gone, too. So Iran is weakened. China may try to escalate, but I'm not seeing that right now, Brian. I think everyone right now, now Iran, the United States, even China, they want that straight open and that all the alignment is there. The problem is this. The problem is that President Trump allowed Israel and Lebanon to get yoked into a debate over the Strait of Hormuz. And what the Iranians are going to try to do is use Hezbollah as their attack dog now in order to drive a wedge between the United States and Israel. And we just know based on empirical evidence, evidence that when you drive a wedge between the United States and Israel, bad things happen, evil actors exploit it and that we need to be very wary of.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah, the ultra right wing of the Republican Party and the whole Democratic Party is anti Israel. The worst thing we could do is to abandon our, our most potent ally, our most loyal ally, the one that shares intelligence and pound for pound an extraordinary military. Mark Esper talked about that on meet the press cut 15. I think it's clear that we cannot obviously speak for what Israel's position will be going forward. They clearly have a right to self defense. And the difference here between the United States and Israel is that Iran and Hezbollah present an existential threat to Israel and so they have the right to defend themselves. And the other factor here of course is that the political dynamics on both sides are very different. Whereas in the United States, 60 to 70% of Americans don't support the Congress conflict, 60 to 70% of Israelis do support attacking Hezbollah. In fact it's well over 70%. So you have different political dynamics at stake at a time when both leaders, President Trump and Bibi Netanyahu have important

[Jonathan Hunt]

elections coming up in the fall.

[Lawrence Jones]

Your thoughts about the former secretary of defense under Trump? 1.

[Brian Kilmeade]

I think Mark Esper's comments were accurate. I mean this is, this is the dilemma is that Israel is fighting for its survival. Rival, no, no nation. The United States would not allow a terrorist organization to lob rockets across our border into Texas. We would go after those terrorist strongholds even if it meant going into Mexico. And so it's perfectly reasonable and just for Israel to go and protect itself by defeating these terrorists in the south of Lebanon because the Lebanese government isn't doing it. The real conversation that needs to take place place is the conversation between Israel and the Lebanese government about how to disarm Hezbollah. There's no reason to give Iran a veto over Israel's actions in its own self defense.

[Lawrence Jones]

I just thought the Vice President was way out of line on Friday. But let's talk about your column today. You talk about America's posterity problem. You worry about Gen Z not fully appreciating America's journey to 250. What the Declaration of Independence does, what July 4th means. What did you find in your research about this upcoming generation?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Well what we find thanks to the AEI research is that the Gen Zs the 18-29s, they have the lower level of patriotism. Among all generations, they're the least likely to go to church. They have very low levels of religious participation. They have a different view of American exceptionalism. They don't think the nation is that exceptional. And what I was trying to get across in the column, Brian, is that they need a lesson from that German tourist, Freddie, and all the other European visitors to the United States during the World cup who have just come here and been awed at what makes this country great might not be our politics, but it's definitely our society, our economy, our friendliness and openness as a people. Gen Z needs to be reminded of that. And I'm afraid that the institutions that. That shape character, families, schools, communities, they haven't been performing up to the task necessary. So it's a big challenge for the United States.

[Lawrence Jones]

How do you recon. How do you get people back to history? I mean, they gave up history for. To understand who the US Is is to study where we came from. And yet this. They're out of school. I mean, they're not gonna. They're not gonna take a nighttime course, you know, and pay for it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

You're right. I mean. Right. They're out of school. So how do you connect with them? I think this is why European tourists are interesting. They've gone viral. They're on social media. And it's just a fact that Gen Z, and of course Gen Alpha, which is coming up after Gen Z, they are digital natives. They live online. They get their information through social media, through different social networks. And the people like me, who want to persuade this rising generation of American exceptionalism, who want to. To acculturate the rising generation in what makes our country amazing and special, we need to go to the places where they are. We need to be more active on social media. We need to be more active in these kind of live streams and podcasts. We're all trying to do our part, but I think that will be the necessary mechanism, to use JD Vance's word, get that mechanism to meet young people, people where they. In the spaces they inhabit. If you can do that, you might be able to change this generation's outlook somewhere down the line.

[Lawrence Jones]

Have you figured out, Matt, when history, American history, left the schools?

[Brian Kilmeade]

Oh, it's hard to say. I mean, I think there's been no question that the past couple generations, the American education system has been kind of subsumed by people who take a negative view of American history. They want to focus more on our sins than on our virtues. And this is cumulative. And so each, each class gets a little bit worse. But the good news, Brian, is that there are options now. I mean, there is school choice, there is religious schools, there are rising home schools. We're creating avenues that I think can address kind of the educational problems in the long run run. But for this gen Z, the 18 to 29 year olds, they're going to be voting on our next presidential election en masse. We need to meet them where they are now, which is online, which is in these social media spaces.

[Lawrence Jones]

Check out his column in the Wall Street Journal. Matthew Continenti, thanks so much. Appreciate it.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Thanks, Brian.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah, you have to worry about his patriotism. He's all set. He's just worried about the next generation. We come back going to read some of your emails, take some of your calls, 1-866-40-7669 or you can write me at briankilmead.com also plan on meeting me in Pensacola July 11 for history, liberty and laughs before we convert the show to uniting the states in the fall. Brian kilmeade.com politics, current events and news that affects you.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Brian's got a lot more to say. Stay with Brian Kilmeade.

Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[Lawrence Jones]

You know, the difference here really is

[Brian Kilmeade]

I'm a democratic socialist.

[Lawrence Jones]

I'm very proud to be running as that. I'm a proud union organizer and I think being able to organize a movement is essential in this moment when we have a fascist in the world.

[Michael Goodwin]

White House.

[Lawrence Jones]

And I think, you know, being a democratic socialist means seeing the political potential in everyday people so that they can

[Jonathan Hunt]

go out and knock doors, organize in

[Lawrence Jones]

their workplace and their apartment buildings and really empowering the working class to do exactly that. It also means being very consistent on the question of, of the question of the genocide in Gaza, of standing with tenants, of being really clear which side we're on. Yes. Not Israel's. Right. And you're proud of that. Correct. And now you want to blame landlords, right? Because the math really adds up. Landlords are just bathed in money. That's exactly what works. Or is your goal, Claire Valdez, running for the 7th district in New York to have the city take over those buildings when landlords go out of business? Is that the idea? The war on success continues and that's who's running for office these days? What are people writing? We had a lot of emails over the weekend between one nation, the shows on Friday. What are People saying alone. You know, Nancy emailed you and she said, the reason for the rise in socialism among our youth is only a small part of the economy. All podcasters have it wrong. The real reason is the left has completely taken over our education and has brainwashed the entire generation against the U.S. that helps. That certainly helps. But the one good news is, some good news is there's more and more people who have school choice in all these states. So they're picking other schools that don't hate America. Especially if you could take that 7,000 per pupil or 12,000 per pupil, and then you bring it to the private school.

[Jonathan Hunt]

So, on a very different topic, Donna said, I like you even more.

[Lawrence Jones]

I was watching you this morning explaining how you got burned from an exploding Zeppeli. And I said to myself, could it be Brian is half Italian, Right? So what happened is we talked about dangerous things that can happen. And one of the dangerous things that happened, happen to me was we were in to make a Zeppeli. It's dough, special dough. And then it's an anchovy, and we put it. You put zeppelin into the boiling oil. An anchovy? Yeah. So it's not a sweet Zeppeli. You could put powdered sugar on it.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Okay.

[Lawrence Jones]

Powdered sugar with zeppelin with anchovy in the middle. No, I think so. Anchovies, you know, Eric. But it's one of the other. Maybe, but we used to put them in the middle. So they. My mom told me, don't look over it. It's dangerous. I'm like, dangerous. Nothing's happening. So I looked over to see it get big, you know, like it plumps all over my face. Oil all over my face. It was crazy.

[Jonathan Hunt]

You're lucky you don't have scars today from that.

[Lawrence Jones]

I know, but I had. Yeah, I had all the burn marks all over. And you wait for it to peel. It was crazy. So don't. If you have Zeppelin and your mom tells you not to look at the Brooklyn, lean over the boiling oil. Don't.

[Brian Kilmeade]

From his mouth to your ears.

[Lawrence Jones]

It's Brian Kilmeade.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Can we.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Yes.

[Lawrence Jones]

Has this group proven it, that they can beat a top team?

[Brian Kilmeade]

No. I tell you this, Tim, and I mean this. If they play the way they're playing, they can absolutely compete against any team in this World cup for sure.

[Lawrence Jones]

Can you do it?

[Brian Kilmeade]

I've said this over and over. Can you do it four times in a row?

[Lawrence Jones]

Can you do it in a round

[Brian Kilmeade]

of 16, a quarter, a semi and a final? That is where it gets really hard.

[Lawrence Jones]

But momentum gets going.

[Jonathan Hunt]

You never know.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Is it likely?

[Jonathan Hunt]

No, it's not likely.

[Lawrence Jones]

The US cannot unequivocally win the World Cup. The US will have to play the greatest game they've ever played three times in a row. Sorry, four games in a row. Round of 16.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Quarterfinals, semifinals. Finals.

[Lawrence Jones]

It is literally impossible for the US

[Brian Kilmeade]

to win the World Cup.

[J.D. Vance]

Going to come across crazy.

[Brian Kilmeade]

People are going to say I'm whatever.

[J.D. Vance]

That's just the reality.

[Lawrence Jones]

But we're super excited for this ride run. Well I feel great now. Well the people would say you're crazy if you said they were going to win a World Cup. I think when people come out and say you're going to win the World cup that's when people say you're crazy. Because the whole world doesn't think that we could possibly play as good as they've played over the last two games and now they don't even have to play their third game. And the question is how do you approach the Turkey game? You don't want to lose but you do want to give people another, some, maybe some of your bench a chance to play and see what they have in a high level situation in a World Cup. Not only that, chiefs to do have to think about the next World cup and giving people some experience. But the crowd has been the intangible factor. The of course the World cup continued yesterday with a full slate of games. It kicked off with Spain routing Saudi Arabia 4 to nothing. And then of course they looked a lot better than they did again. Camp Verde. Then Belgium and Iran played to a scoreless tie at Sofi Stadium. Camp Verde pulled off another stunner drawing with Uruguay in South Florida. I think the final score there was one one. Egypt won his first ever World cup game defeating New Zealand three to one. So that's great news for them. We'll see what happens today. A lot of big, well a lot of big teams are playing including France, including Argentina. Jonathan Hunt joins me now. Los Angeles based chief correspondent, British born but now an American citizen. Following all the following the US team as they head up to to now head back down to Los Angeles to play their third game. Jonathan, welcome back. What would you how would you rate the quality of the US play?

[Jonathan Hunt]

I would rate it as the best we have ever seen a US national team play. That doesn't mean they're best in the world yet but they are certainly playing the best quality soccer we have ever seen from an American team. Brian. And I tell you what, having followed them since and been with them since the squad was announced almost a month ago. I guess now down at the training center in Georgia. And then as they played these group games, the spirit in that squad is something that really has struck me. The attitude of the guys, the togetherness of the guys, the way that Mauricio Pochettino, the head coach, has brought them together and the way he has got them believing that they really can win this. They're not just paying lip service to that now. I genuinely think that they genuinely believe that they can go all the way. Obviously they have not been tested in the way a team like Spain or France or Argentina or even England might test them yet. But they are playing a brand of football that can certainly take them all the way if they get the breaks. There's luck in this, of course, as you know very well, Brian. But I'm really excited because this is a team that has finally announced itself on the international stage. Right.

[Lawrence Jones]

And they wanted to do it. Everyone said, oh yeah, they're going to get out of their group.

[Senator Roger Marshall]

Yeah.

[Lawrence Jones]

But they got to to come out in first and they did. So what do you do in game three? Because you know, in a game like this, so physical. Turkey's playing their last game. They've been frustrated. You don't want to take your foot off the brake. Excuse me, off the gas. But you don't want to put yourself in jeopardy. So tell me, what do you think they should do? Do you think they should try six new starters? Anybody in a yellow card? You think they should rest?

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yeah. So I think first of all, the yellow cards ballot, Richards, Robinson and Adams, I believe are the four on one yellow card. I think it's a no brainer to rest those guys because if they pick up that second yellow, they're out of that first knockout game. Makes no sense to take that risk. They don't need to. So I would rest all of those four to start with. Then there's the pulisic question. Do you. He's been out for a while, obviously recovering from this injury, didn't play in the game against Australia. I think maybe you give him some game time if he's recovered from that injury. Maybe you give him 20 minutes, maybe a full half so that he's not. You don't want him not having played for more than two weeks by the time you get to the knockout. And so I give him some game time if he's recovered from the injury. Other than that, I think you keep maybe 6, 7 of those who start. Who are your frontline players? Because yeah, you're right. Momentum matters. The team spirit matters. So by giving some of the fringe players some game time, you keep the team spirit up. But by keeping the core of your frontline players, you also give yourself the best chance of winning, and that's important. I don't think you want to lose momentum at this point. So we'll see. And who knows what kind of turkey is going to show up on Thursday. Brian, Turkey cannot qualify. They are basically on the plane home whatever happens immediately after that game. So do you get a Turkey showing up with their minds already on the plane and therefore not really giving it their all and it's a relatively easy game for the U.S. or do you get the turkey that says, let's go out with a bang, let's show we can play this game, let's go home with our heads held high, in which case it's going to be a much more difficult game. A lot of people thought Turkey were the main threat to the US in that group. They've been a huge disappointment, but it's a very proud soccer nation. So I'm very interested to see which turkey shows up. But, yeah, I think you wrestle it to go back to the US Rest all the yellow card players, so you maybe make four, maybe five changes and you get Pulisic some game time.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah.

[Lawrence Jones]

And how you line up is going to be interesting too, because it looks so effective in game one with one forward. Then they pulled in two forwards with Pulisic out, and they were much more dynamic because it looked like Australia was looking to pack in. So they ended up spreading them out.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Absolutely. You know, and I think this is where Pochettino, I tell you, he was a very successful coach in the Premier League in England, which is the toughest league in the world. And he is absolutely making a difference. And I love to think that, you know, maybe in a few weeks time we will be talking about Mauricio Pochettino as a national treasure for the United States because he is such. He is. I would describe him, and having got to know him a little bit recently, I describe him as kind of a mad genius. Brian. He's got such a great soccer brain. He makes the right tweaks at the right time, he says the right things at the right time. And he is just a lovable character. I mean, he's a hard taskmaster as well, but he is a really lovable character. And you see the way he celebrates with his guys when they score, when they win. I think he has won the hearts and minds of this squad and it's just wonderful to see what he's doing with them. So I think he'll make the right decisions. You're absolutely right. Playing the two forwards really paid off against Australia. You know what I'd like to see, though? I wouldn't mind seeing them against Turkey going back to more of a winger style and just Baligan in the center. And I'd like to see Gio Reyna get some time on that left side where Pulisic plays if he's in the team. Because if Pulisic is going to have injury issues through the knockout rounds, I think you need somebody pulling teams wide, certain teams wide, and I'd like to see Gio Reyna in that role. And I think Gio's confidence is high after that amazing goal he scored in the last minute it against Paraguay. So I'd give him a good chunk more game time and see if he is the guy who can really fill that Pulisic role. If Pulisic is injured further along in the tournament, I mean, it's hard to

[Lawrence Jones]

imagine Richard sitting out, but maybe that, that might be the safest thing to do. So they go to Santa Clara next and that's where the next game's going to be. I was listening to some people saying that they played out the way the groups could be. It could be, most likely, could be Bosnia that they play.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yeah. So Bosnia and Qatar play on Wednesday. The winner of that, if there is a winner, the winner of that matchup would be the most likely opponent for the US in the round of 32 having. And whoever wins that, and you probably put your money on Bosnia at this point. But whoever WINS that, the U.S. shouldn't have any fear of either of those teams. If that is what happens. Now, if Bosnia and Qatar tie, then you get a whole range of options coming into play. But it will be a third place matchup for the U.S. but that brings in some really interesting questions. If. Because there's some tough groups out there and you could end up in third place in some of the groups. Norway with their superstar Erling Haaland. Sweden, very good team. Senegal and Japan, who are playing great soccer. So there's some tough matchups lurking there If. If the. If the permutations don't fall the way they look like at the moment. But yeah, you know, honestly, Brian, I don't think the US has anything to fear from anybody right now. The way they're playing confidence sky high. And going back to the Thursday game against Turkey, that's another reason to keep that momentum going. Because confidence matters in every sport and certainly soccer. Confidence is a big building block for success.

[Lawrence Jones]

So today, Argentina and Austria will be playing. Remember, we had Messi, scored three goals, had a hat trick. I think that made the MLS look great because people said when Messi went to the mls, he's basically giving up on top level international play. Watch his game. Drop off, man. If it dropped off, why do you record his first hat trick ever in World cup play?

[Jonathan Hunt]

Right, right. It's great for the mls. I mean, obviously, just Messi coming to the MLS was an amazing development for soccer here in the US and we've had. We've had sort of false dawns before. When Beckham came, I remember I was here in LA when Beckham arrived at the Galaxy and everybody said, this will change soccer completely. And it certainly began an incremental change. But I think when you get somebody, and all due respect to David Beckham, who I love, he is not Lionel Messi. He is not the goat himself. So having the goat here really has made such a difference. It's got a lot more eyes on soccer, gets a lot more kids playing it. I think the future for soccer is really, really bright. And you're absolutely right. Messi's game has not dropped off at all. If anything, he's got a whole new lease on life playing in the mls, I think. And seeing that hat trick, he's now, he's now the front runner, obviously for the Golden Boot, which is the award given to whomever scores the most goals. But remember Flo Baligan. Flo Baligun has two. He's only one behind Messi at the moment. So he's in the running too. And wouldn't that be something if. If an American striker was to win the Golden Boot as well as winning the World Cup? We can dream, Brian.

[Lawrence Jones]

Yeah, we'll see. Put it this way. If you just. If anybody who just says, well, they can make the quarterfinals and nothing else. I respect Tim Howard. He's best goalie ever in American history, perhaps one of the best. And then he plays internationally for years, so he knows quality of play. But if he just says, there's no way they won the World Cup. But if you think he's get to the quarterfinals. I don't know anybody that goes to the quarterfinals and has no shot at winning. Of course.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Absolutely.

[Lawrence Jones]

Especially in soccer, there's different ways to play. If the team's got more skill than you, more speed, especially you have a tactician like this, like this coach.

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yeah. And Pochettino, you Know, I think there was an interesting thing when Pochettino was. It was just before the Australia game. Pochettino was talking about Pulisic and the fact that he was injured and they were going to arrest him. And he said, said. He said, we will. We will need all of our players to win this World Cup. And it was. It was the first time he had modified his language and he just dropped it in the conversation there, talking about winning the World Cup. And it was a message to his players. Absolutely. We are not here to make the quarterfinals. We're not here to make the semifinals. We are here to win this. And that attitude, they are led very much. Pochettino is very much the leader of this squad. And like I say, he's saying all the right things and he's saying them at the right time. And the way that you as a coach, you bring your players along with you mentally, not just the skills of the game, but mentally, is absolutely critical. And Pochettino is playing a great game in that regard to Brian. And absolutely, they can absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt, win this World Cup. Yes, you need luck yet. Yes, you need the draw to be favorable to you. Everybody wants a favorable draw as you go through the knockout rounds. But like I say, I don't think the US Playing the way they are playing has any reason to fear anybody. The one thing I would say, Brian, speed in defense has worried me a little bit. You've got Chris Richards, who plays for Crystal palace in the Premier League. He's a great center back. Others, Tim Ream. I love Tim Ream. A wonderful man, a great leader of the team. He himself would say he's not the fastest defender around. So when they get somebody of the quality of Killian Mbappe and the speed of Killian Mbappe or Erling Haaland running at them, that's going to be a huge test. But collectively, this team can do it. I have absolutely no doubt.

[Lawrence Jones]

All right, we got to do, as fans, we got to start scouting the other teams. Let's make sure we scout Argentina today and we scout Mbappe and France, so. So we find out what they have again. So we have a game plan to hand over to Ponchettino should they match up with him in the quarters, in the semis. Should we do that?

[Jonathan Hunt]

Yeah, let's do it. And I mean, what a feast of football we've got in those terms today. We got Messi Mbappe playing for France after that, and then Erling Haaland for Norway. Three of the greatest strikers in the history of soccer. So, yeah, you and I will go scout them and then we'll pass it. I'll pass everything on to Potch as soon as you send me your notes, Brian.

[Lawrence Jones]

And by the way, I'm not. I know it's our app, but the 5 Fox One app is fantastic. You can watch the game, see the highlights, see the previews, and watch Fox News Channel or any local Fox affiliate. It's amazing. So, guys, download that app. Jonathan Hunt, thanks so much. You're doing a great job with coverage. Hopefully you'll end up in the. At the Giant Stadium or The Meadowlands or MetLife, wherever we're calling it now for the final. Jonathan, thanks so much.

[Jonathan Hunt]

I'll see you there. Brian, thank you so much.

[Lawrence Jones]

Back in a moment. It's Brian Killer Mead.

[Brian Kilmeade]

A talk show that's real. This is the Brian Kilmeade Show.

[Lawrence Jones]

When Alex first came to you when he was a young kid and said,

[J.D. Vance]

dad, I'm gonna play soccer, were you

[Lawrence Jones]

like, ah, come on, man. Were you like, I'm sure this is just a failure. He's gonna play the real football.

[J.D. Vance]

There's no career in this.

[Lawrence Jones]

That's exactly kind of how it went. He didn't want to tell me because he thought I wanted him to play football or basketball. When he told me, I was really like, ah, really. I knew as a dad, it's just time to get on board and support your kids with whatever they do. You just support your kids.

[J.D. Vance]

And through the process, I just saw

[Lawrence Jones]

how dedicated and how committed he was

[J.D. Vance]

to just being better. He spent holidays. He spent birthdays and different holidays.

[Lawrence Jones]

He was training.

[Brian Kilmeade]

Yeah.

[Lawrence Jones]

And then he went over to Orlando. He did not make the academy team. And I'm talking about Alex Freeman. His dad, Antonio Freeman, starred for the Green Bay packers for years. And his son ends up being an outstanding soccer player. Reminds me of Dennis Rodman daughter, one of the best players, and the women's national team. And it just so happens you could pick a different sport. You know, it's not like he chose science camp. Not that that would be bad, but I mean, soccer is a good alternative. Understand that, please. And that's what he did. And that's what they said, that if America get their top athletes to play soccer and not basketball and football and baseball, that's when we begin to break through. And we're just. We're seeing it here. You know, you say it on the women's side, always, best athletes will play in soccer. Maybe because women had fewer choices. Now they. Now they have flag football. Maybe there's going to be less soccer players. I hope not. But Antonio Freeman being wide open. And I also think it's great because some of his teammates, backers, teammates, talked about watching Alex play. And they say he's got the same movement with the ball at his feet and his dad had when his ball was in his hand. So I love that comparison. It's good to see. And plus, he's got a stepdad that's played a big role in it. And also read his story. This guy was not on the best teams all the way up. He was cut a lot. But he's peaking at the right time. Right. 23, playing in the World Cup. All right. Listen to Brian Kilmeich. You'll go to Brian kilme.com. see you in Pensacola, July 11th.