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"We Decimated Their Forces" — The Secret Naval Battle Plans to Control Iran’s Strait
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The Brian Kilmeade Show 07-10-2026
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Rebecca Heinrich
Foreign
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Brian Kilmeade
FOX News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sowing division. It's Brian Kilmeade.
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Keith Kellogg
Here we go.
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Brian Kilmeade
What a week we've had, right? Pretty intense this hour. Jerry Wills will be joining us from FOX Business. We'll put this whole, we'll put this whole economy in perspective as we look for inflation numbers next week and we see where we're growing right now. And she also has a great feature out, author of Lincoln's Lady Spymaster. She's going to be with us too. And we have a lot going on. Going on. Let me just remind you, you can always get the YouTube channel YouTube.com@the Brian Killmead show and make sure you do that. We're following all these events happening today. A lot going on. So let's get to the big three.
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Number three, the DNA evidence, the fact that, you know, minor details like he turned himself in and I believe his parents identified him in the video. To me it puts so much of
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this at rest, killing off the hurtful, vengeful conspiracies in the Charlie Kirk hearing. Can the results end these wild, damaging, unmoored theories once and for all?
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Number two, the leaders of the Democratic
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Party are so weak, they're no longer the leaders. The true leaders of this party are Bernie Sanders, AOC and Mandani. I mean, Madani beat Hakeem Jeffries by endorsing people and defeating them. That is Kevin McCarthy and he knows DSA wrecking, wreaking havoc in the DNC as their candidate implos in Maine and about to win a primary in Michigan, what it means for both Republicans and Democrats in November.
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Number one, you take that 14 point
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Keith Kellogg
mou and you throw it away and
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Brian Kilmeade
you start to make the Iranians understand
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Keith Kellogg
that we are not equals in this fight at all.
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Brian Kilmeade
General Kellogg, 100% right. Are we really talking again after shooting ships and absorbing two days of bombing? The the question is about what? The MoU is a big mistake and not in any way A. Okay, so what is the MoU? One of the things they said is basically Iran, you can trade your oil at full market price in dollars. We're going to look to unfreeze funds and you'll be being you're allowed to be in control of the strait. At least it's a gray area in which they're building on. So they're trying to take control of the strait. We don't believe it says that. So we tell them to take the other side of the strait, that we can guarantee merchant ship safety. And when we do that. They started shooting at chips. They damaged three of them. Last week, they damaged two of them. So we hit them back, but not in proportion. We hit them back on Thursday 90 times, 150 times in all, 15 times the number of attacks on us and on ships. Now their parliament speaker Karlbaugh, a key negotiator seeking a permanent end to the war, was defiant on post on a post on X said on Thursday, America still hasn't learned that bullying and breaking promises are no longer cost free. Listen. No longer cost free. Yeah. You're rocketing our bases. You're not doing anything. You got Jordan, Kuwait and Bahrain. No damage done. I think there was some debris fell on one person, minor injuries and in turn you're getting slammed. Your radar is being blown up, your train tracks are being blown out. They were bringing supplies in and out of China and Russia as well as losing key bridges used by the military. Here's Keith Kellogg. Cut four. You take that 14 point mou and
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Keith Kellogg
you throw it away and you start
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Brian Kilmeade
to make the Iranians understand that we
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Keith Kellogg
are not equals in this fight at all.
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Brian Kilmeade
Because what you just said, we've decimated their military forces.
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Keith Kellogg
We were able to penetrate at will.
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Brian Kilmeade
So does Vice Admiral Robert Harwood feel the same way? He's senior advisor to the Iran Policy Project at the Jewish Institute for National Security of America. Admiral, we didn't have any bombing last night, but the day before 90, the day before that, 70 strikes. What would you be doing today? What do you recommend we do today?
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Keith Kellogg
Well, I have to note my comments by my shipmate there, General Keith Kellogg, who I've known for 30 some years. I agree with them completely. I would have suggested not throwing the MOU away. I would recommend sticking it somewhere else actually, because he's got it right. We've demonstrated to the Iranians time and time again how powerful we are and what we can do to them and how weak they are. So this is no longer about negotiations. This is about capitulation. You're going to make sure you honor the international norm and that the Straits of Hormuz you have no control. That's international waterways and commerce will flow against it. That's first and foremost. They're going to do that and we're going by force. Ensure you do it by eradicating and taking out anything you can use to threaten it. That's number one. Number two is the nuclear program. That nuclear program materials have to be dug up or located wherever it's at and turned over. And you have go have to agree to not pursue a nuclear weapon. So those two objectives, the president's been clear on each and every day and you're going to agree to that or we're going to continue to erode anything that allows allows you to do that by force. And that involves a lot of death and destruction. And the president wants to avoid that. They're going to have to come to that realization or we'll continue to pursue those options.
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Brian Kilmeade
Admiral, the one thing that would keep oil prices down and show them that they can't control the strait is letting us do it. So if we control the strait, those tankers come through again, the price of oil goes down and they lose that potential revenue stream. And they told the rest of the gulf neighbors see that we're for real and that we can ensure the free travel on the strait. Now you've seen the battle plans, I understand from military people like you that tell me there's been battle plans drawn up to control the strait since the 80s. So is there one that would be effective along with minimizing any potential casualties?
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Keith Kellogg
Well, you're seeing that play out right now. Striking all those targets along the Gulf, the islands and anywhere else that has those elements of power. And I've said since day one, Brian, putting boots on the ground not to occupy but to raid and ensure they are clear of any of those materials and everything's gone is another option the president has. That's your trust. But verify we can strike, we can watch through predators, other intelligence to ensure we've taken out everything we can. But walking the ground to ensure that's done, is that verified and psychologically to the people of Iran that shows and the air partners how committed and how much we believe that is important to their future and ours. So I think that's an option the president still has in his pocket and can utilize if he thinks he needs that. And the Iranians don't come to the understanding that this is what the end state's going to be one way or the other. How bad do you want it to be for your country, Admiral?
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Brian Kilmeade
How much more difficult did we make this with that mou?
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Keith Kellogg
Well, we gave up a lot of power but again the president wanted to give them an off ramp and to come to this conclusion, they obviously the regime, especially the irgc, can't do it because that's what all they have to stay in power. They can't give up on those things because it will take them out power internally, much less externally. And it's not just the nukes. It's not just the Straits of Hormuz, it's their surrogates. Don't forget who they Hezbollah, the Houthis, Hamas and others. That's an important element of those powers. If they lose all that, they lose power and they'll be forced out of government. So that's what the end state needs to be. The president's taken giving them every option to do this as painlessly as possible. But obviously that's not working. So it's going to have to be aggressive action in all of those lanes to meet the end states.
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Brian Kilmeade
So here's the article, the paragraph 5 that says Iran will make arrangements to restore shipping through the strategic waterway and then work with Oman to determine how to administer its future. It also includes an Iran pledge to ensure safe passage and remove military obstacles such as mines. So that's what they're using to say, listen, we told you we're going to do this. Oman saying, I'm not going to do this. And the rest of the Gulf state says this is not okay with us because they tried to get Gulf buy in on it. And of course, China goes, this sounds great to me because we'll take the Taiwan Strait tomorrow, if that's okay. So having said that, would you have technical talks with them today, Admiral?
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Keith Kellogg
Well, again, I'm in the position where talks are kind of counterproductive. Present. Here's what you're going to do because
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Brian Kilmeade
they are having technical talks and I worry about the people talking to them, too. It's not you and it's not Marco Rubio. It's not people that understand the military or the diplomacy or the history. There's two business guys who are smart and really accomplished, but they don't have to hit. This is not a time to wing it. They're not doing anything in the Ukraine and they're not helping here. This, this, this mou, Dennis, Dennis Ross, one of the most experienced peoples in the region, he said to me, it's like the Iranians wrote it and we just signed it.
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Keith Kellogg
Brian, this is, I go back to the National Security Council. That was such a powerful tool to bringing together all the whole of government, the CIA, the intel community, OSD joint staff, that organization could write the policy, write the negotiations, be the staff that ensures the objectives with the right flexibility because they track it and work it 24 hours a day, seven days a week was such a powerful tool for any administration. And I'm just not clear what the status of that is today and how that organization is functioning to support these objectives in Iran. But I think that in my history of time under the Bush administration and when I served in cocoms, that tool was very powerful in bringing together, you know, the experience, the military, the intelligence knowledge, the policy level to meet the objectives. And I think that's a tool that could be used very powerfully right now to make sure we get the end state as effectively, efficiently and timely as possible.
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Brian Kilmeade
Yeah, bring the experts in. I'd love to see John Radcliffe at the table. You know, we. And he be able to say, well, that's not true, you know, and that's not what we read. Because you can't just wing and say, I looked him in the eye and I got a feeling this is the best deal we can get. That might be good for real estate and it might be good in theory on what it takes with the Abraham Accords, which is a great accomplishment. But this is a much different situation, I think. So I understand that there seems to be a rivalry between the IRGC and the speaker and the Foreign Minister. The Foreign Minister is making the calls to Witkoff and the speaker is maybe playing a role. But being that the IRGC has final say, why wouldn't we have that conversation with the irgc? And if it goes terrible, we know where we stand. I almost think the Foreign Minister and Speaker are giving us a false sense of progress.
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Keith Kellogg
I think you're exactly right. And let me bounce to your first statement. That Abraham Accord occurred because of the nsc. I knew the members of the team who worked that with the administration's team and made that happen. Another testament to the nsc. But I think what you're seeing here, these political leaders, the speaker, the president, others wanting to reach, want to capitulate, wanting to be on the side of the people because they know. But at the end of the day, IRGC will not allow them to do that. So they've become figureheads, as everyone else has in Iran, for the real power brokers, the irgc. And don't forget, at the end of the day, they're kind of reckless. For them, the IRGC has the weapons. They'll murder people. They'll do that to political leaders that they don't capitulate to their desires and goals. So at the end of the day, I believe the political leaders, like you said, are somewhat puppet heads and they present somewhat optimistic expectations that are not true because they're not aligned to what the real decision makers are doing. The irgc.
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Brian Kilmeade
Admiral, can we fast forward to Ukraine a little bit? It looks as though the refinery attack has been really effective. It looks like the drone attacks have been effective. It looks like Crimea is almost uninhabitable now for the Russians. I don't think they've gained a kilometer, they say on the battlefield. And their economy grew at 0.4%. Well, how significant is it that Ukraine now has permission to begin moving forward on the building and getting the licenses to build their own patriots?
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Keith Kellogg
Well, let me. The real key here is what drone warfare is now, Brian. It's unbelievable to watch, and let me give you some analogies. They're shooting drones that cost them maybe a few thousand, maybe 10,000, and they're covering 1200 kilometers, kilometers and striking targets throughout Russia. Unbelievable. We've built aircraft carriers, thousands of F35s at tens of trillions of dollars, and we can't do the same mass and depth that they can. It really illustrates how warfare has changed dramatically. Ukraine is using drones, mass drones, cheap drones, and can target anything in Ukraine, and they have zero air power. Link that to what's going on in Iran. You know, we're shooting missiles and dropping bombs that cost billions of dollars, and yet we don't have drones that could be targeting Tehran. You know, every IRGC member daily, because we don't have the mass and range of those inaffordable drones. So what you're seeing is the true evolution in warfare that we've never seen before in Ukraine as how innovative and using it very effectively to balance the power with Russia, one of the premier superpowers, and the Iranians are doing the same thing to us. You know, it's really incredible. So that's why you're seeing these efforts by the administration to bolster the new appointment of a drone czar at the Pentagon. We've got to evolve our warfare quickly. And these two cases, as you said, Ukraine, who's used it very successfully, holding off Russia and Iran are illustrating us daily. But again, let's see how Russia's going to respond, what they've got. And again, it's ballistic missiles and drones going after Kyiv every time this happens. But so far, the price they're paying is untenable. They've lost millions of boots on the ground. And again, an illustration of why he may want never want to occupy Iran. But sure, boots on the ground rage to tip the balance of power till you see the internal dynamics changing. And that's the difference here with the Russia situation and the Iran situation. Iran has a weak regime no one supports, and they're about 95 million people. Russia's 150, a very thick communist country that the people really don't get a vote on, but they're really coming to grips with the price they're paying for this war against Ukraine with the million of their young Russian young men killed. It's really very tragic.
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Brian Kilmeade
It is crazy. And because of one lunatic over in Russia just sending these people who on average when they get drafted and brought to the front lines, they say they last 10 days before they're dead or wounded. Admiral Robert Harwood, thanks so much. Appreciate it.
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Keith Kellogg
Good to be with you, Brian, as always.
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Brian Kilmeade
Yep. And I think both situations feel like they're coming to a head. Bottom of the hour, we talk about the economy and more with Jerry Willis of fbn. When we come back, your calls. Don't move.
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If you watch, there's a number of
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signals that you actually see.
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You saw the incumbents going down, but
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these incumbents, it's quite amazing.
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Dan Goldman literally worked for Adam Shift, ran the impeachment as a staffer and
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that's not good enough for him. They're no longer the Democratic Party.
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They are the Socialist Party.
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And that is Kevin McCarthy talking about the DSA and the success they're having. They're having a lot of success. Don't just say it's New York in a certain Philadelphia. Philadelphia, just in Philadelphia and just in Colorado. Their success everywhere, we'll see if it brings them in November to, in many cases to Congress. But listen to the DSA platform. According to a couple of sources, this is what they want to do. Eliminate the U.S. senate, replace the president and the Supreme Court amnesty for all immigrants to fund the Department of War. What? Free migration of people between countries to seek employment without restriction. An immediate end to all deportations, elimination of cash bail, universal rent control, a 32 hour workweek with no reduction in pay, establishment of a wealth tax, passage of a new green deal. For one thing, no one's going to be wealthy. And this is, this is how to ruin a country. This is what Russia or China would do to us. Maybe they are behind this. And I would love to find out where this funding is coming from because this should appeal to no one. But sadly, it appeals to a lot of young people and any socialists running for office.
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Hey, we are back in Jerry Willison studio to correspondent with Fox Business, of course, author of Lincoln Spy Master, Lincoln's Lady Spymaster. Now that is the 2026 People's Choice Awards for nonfiction finalists. So we want everybody to vote and make sure it wins. So, Jerry, congratulations on the success of that book.
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Jerry Willis
Thank you. It's been a ton of fun. And this award, if I win, it would be fabulous. Look, this is a book that I just had the best time doing it. And I think you can tell from the opening pages how wrapped up. And it's a great story of about a Civil War spy, a Southern belle who turned her back on the south and worked for Lincoln and reported all kinds of happenings in the capital of the Confederacy, Richmond, Virginia, to the north. And her story is phenomenal. She really deserves accolades and attention in my view.
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Brian Kilmeade
So how did you come onto the story?
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Jerry Willis
Well, I did a bunch of research way back when during the COVID pandemic and the lockdowns, a lot of the young women I worked with here were really depressed. They thought everything was terrible. And I thought, you know, they really need to hear stories of American women who have done amazing things. So I did a ton of research and finally uncovered all these women Civil War spies. But Elizabeth Van Lew was the most serious of all of them and had the biggest impact. She helped Ulysses S. Grant time his final assault on the Confederacy. And she was wealthy, really well connected to the powers that be in Richmond and took everything she knew and learned, developed aspiring and turned it right over to Grant.
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Brian Kilmeade
What made her want to switch?
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Jerry Willis
She did not believe in slavery. She thought it was ruining her state. Her allegiance was originally just to Virginia. She loved Virginia and she thought that the people who promoted slavery had really broken democracy in the Commonwealth and not allowed people to vote their conscience. So she decided that she would not stay with them and that she would fight for the Union to be put back together a number one. And also for slavery to end.
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Brian Kilmeade
Right. So. And then, of course, slavery didn't end when the war first started, but it would in the middle of the war. The emancipation would be passed. So during that time, how did she reach out and let Lincoln know that she was looking to play ball?
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Jerry Willis
So this is. Was tricky, right, because she's on the wrong side of. Of the line. Right? So she actually pens a letter with some of her findings and sends it to whom it may concern at the White House by mail and gets no response. So finally, she starts slowly reaching out to Union soldiers who are being held in Richmond and the prisons there. She gives them sanctuary, she gives them food. She connects them by mail to their relatives on the other side. And slowly but surely, people start to hear about her. And finally, finally, one, one of the now obscure generals hears of her, summons her, and puts her to work.
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Brian Kilmeade
And she was able to pull it off with no experience.
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Jerry Willis
She's smart, she's well connected, she has a lot of money, and she bribes people who don't do what she wants.
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Brian Kilmeade
Wow. So. And then how did you find out the book was up for an award? Did you put it in for an award?
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Jerry Willis
No, no. I got an email from the folks over at HarperCollins and said it had been nominated. And then came a press release and just so excited about it. If you. And I know you know these folks, but the Library of Virginia, really well respected organization, you know that Virginia has supplied eight presidents, an amazing eight presidents. And the material they have there, the letters, the original details that they have on hand there for researchers like myself is astonishing.
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Brian Kilmeade
And the way they're willing to help is amazing.
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Jerry Willis
Oh, my gosh. They have research librarians who will point you to where you need to go. Because what you realize as you begin that research is it's amazing mountain of material.
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Brian Kilmeade
You don't know what you don't know. How do you know even what to ask for unless they're there for you?
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Jerry Willis
That's absolutely right. They're. They're amazing. I love those research librarians. And I also love those guys who work for the National Park Service because those local guys who are working in those areas where you're doing your research. Know an incredible amount.
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Brian Kilmeade
All right, I want to get back to that. But I do want to talk about the economy. With your business background, here's the president yesterday talking about the economy as it is right now. Cut 46. We have the greatest economy we've ever had. We have the biggest investment. 19.2 trillion is being invested right now in the United States.
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Keith Kellogg
3.
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Brian Kilmeade
3 trillion was the number, the record under Biden and under the past administration, they had less than a trillion for four years. We have 19.2 trillion in 12 months. Think of that. We have the largest amount of money being invested in a country in history. Pretty amazing. 19.2 trillion with a team. Do you want to take that on? And what areas are we strong on? What areas are we lacking?
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Jerry Willis
I got to tell you, I'm really impressed with this track record. This is, this isn't even something that previous presidents targeted. Do you remember previous presidents talking about how we've got to get all this money in from. Nobody says that that was Trump. You know, yesterday Micron said, hey, we're investing 250 billion in a new facility here. And there's now a south. Today, a South Korean chipmake is going public on one of the U.S. exchanges. So you're just seeing this pouring in of capital, and this is critical to our economy. Capital is what greases the wheels of commerce. Without money, it doesn't go. And we're seeing it particularly in technology. That's a great part of this story, but we're also seeing it in some, some of the fundamentals. There's a company that's decided that they're going to start making pig iron in the US which we don't have a pig iron foundry currently, and they're to do that. So you see people finding new ways of plugging into this economy and bringing products that the US Economy needs, especially vis a vis China and other countries who, you know, want to take our bacon and, and, you know, frankly, steal our best ideas.
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Brian Kilmeade
Yeah. I think also people worry about the price of oil and gas. And every time there's a flare up in the strait. What's the market reaction?
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Jerry Willis
Well, you know, it's predictable. There's a seizing up. Right. And we've seen oil prices go up a bit here. I think we're at 72 bucks a barrel on WTI West Texas Intermediate this morning. It slides all over the place. But having covered this kind of stuff for a long time, what shocks me is that we don't get bigger moves in these oil prices. And Also in the levels of the indexes. Look, we're in the middle of a war. We've got the entire world taking sides. It's up in the air whether we can even talk to our adversary in Iran. And still I feel like the economy continues to chug right along. The stocks continue to go higher. For the first six months of this year, all three major indexes are in the green. The Nasdaq is up double digits. So I am very optimistic.
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Brian Kilmeade
We have a new Fed chair now. The Wall Street Journal's chief economics correspondent, Nick Timoros talked about what he's looking to do. I'm talking about Kevin Wash cut 47.
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Only a few officials at that June meeting, the family fight that Kevin Warsh framed it as, thought that interest rates are at a restrictive setting and only a slightly restrictive setting at that. That was maybe the most interesting line
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Mark Penn
to me because if policy is not
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Brian Kilmeade
holding the economy back, then that means
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nudging interest rates up isn't that big of a deal. You're just leaning against sticky inflation.
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So on the one hand, the minutes
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Keith Kellogg
showed a lot of agreement.
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Brian Kilmeade
They said almost everybody thought that if inflation continued to run above their target, they might need to raise interest rates.
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On the other hand, almost everybody thought
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that if inflation came down soon, then
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they could stay where they are. So you read that. What are we looking at?
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Jerry Willis
Well, okay, so what timoros is saying there is that the Fed is leaning towards a rate hike, not a rate cut, and that it might not be that big of a deal. I think what's going to happen next week, we're going to get cpi, which is the most important number when it comes to the conversation about what the Fed's going to do with interest rates. And I think it's going to look pretty benign. And here's why. Because we got oil prices fall last month with what the president was doing in Iran, and they were actually talking. So gas prices fel. And so it's going to look good for that month. Now, whether it goes back up could well happen. But I think that what's interesting here is that Warsh, who was dubbed by the left as somebody who would do everything that Trump ever asked him to do. Well, he may not. He may actually listen to his better angels. He may do what he thinks is best and you could see those rates move higher. But my bet is nothing happens for the rest of the year.
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Brian Kilmeade
Well, just no change.
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Jerry Willis
I'm betting on no change.
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Brian Kilmeade
Housing bill is on hold.
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Jerry Willis
Yeah.
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Brian Kilmeade
President asked them to pass the housing bill. They did. And the President hasn't signed it. He said, well, it's no big deal. Interest rates affect housing more. What should he do? Jerry Willis would love to see him sign it.
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Jerry Willis
There's good stuff in there. And by that I mean there's a lot of unraveling of just ridiculous regulation that holds back housing and housing construction. I think something like 40% of the average new home, the price is due to regulations. So, I mean, there's a lot of work to be done there. That bill did a lot of that heavy lift. There are a few things in there, whatever, but most of the bill is really pretty good.
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Brian Kilmeade
So lastly, as you, you wrote, Lincoln's lady spymaster is now up. You're gonna have a vote for this. How do you find out?
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Jerry Willis
All right, so this is important. So you have to vote. It's a People's Choice Award. So there's not a bunch of eggheads out there saying, oh, which book do we like? No, this is up to the people. They're gonna vote, decide which of these nonfict that are up for the award will win. And to find out where to place that vote, where on the web to go to, I'm going to put it on my social media and I'm going to connect it to you. So. Okay, can you help me?
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Brian Kilmeade
Absolutely. And so people, you want people out there, so I'll put it out there. You want people to vote for you?
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Riley Gaines
Yes.
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Brian Kilmeade
Okay, good.
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Jerry Willis
Yes.
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Brian Kilmeade
And more importantly, get the book.
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Jerry Willis
Get the book.
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Brian Kilmeade
You need to know these American stories.
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Jerry Willis
Yes.
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Brian Kilmeade
And that would make a great movie, too. You can follow at Jerry Willis. W I L L I S fbn. Yes, that'll work. That's where it's all posted. You can find out more and help her win the 2026 People's Choice Awards for nonfiction. Jerry Willis. Congratulations. Back in a moment, Brian.
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Jerry Willis
Thank you.
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Brian Kilmeade
Where big stories meet bigger conversations. Stay informed and energized with the Brian Kilmeade Show. The fastest three hours in ra. You're with Brian Kilmeade. Based on everything that I saw in that courtroom, it's very clear to me that Tyler Robinson did this. I mean, you have a kid that, you know, drove four and a half hours away from where he lived to visit a university campus that he did not go to. He visited the campus four times. You can see that very clearly on the video. One of those times, you know, at 12:30 at night, you see him change clothes from, you know, wearing shorts and a T shirt to wearing long pants and baggy things, going up to A rooftop where they showed us literal pictures of indentations where, you know, someone would be lying down, prone to shoot a rifle.
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So don Donald Trump Jr. Who says, you know, I don't trust anything anymore. Especially after Covid, when he said the Wuhan lab, that's where it came from. They, they canceled him. They shadow banned him. So he doesn't trust anything. But he wanted to go and support Erica Kirk, at which time he saw overwhelming evidence that this guy did it. Tyler Robinson did it. How do we know? How about text messages where he says, I did it.
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Mark Penn
You were.
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Brian Kilmeade
You weren't the one who shot him? Says his roommate. I am. I am sorry. Okay, that should be enough. But it gets worse. There is. There are indications online that he said he did it. He goes according to the text Robinson allegedly wrote. Have to say, allegedly, I had enough of this hatred. He also alleged that some of the hate can't be negotiated out. That is the motivation. He describes hiding and recovering the rifle. He describes trying to recover the rifle, how hard he had to do to get it, and how mad his dad was going to be if he lost it because it was his grandfather's rifle. He discussed engraving the bullets with the very messages that. That were found in Charlie. His roommate and lover testified that Robinson had asked for a device to engrave the bullets. Prosecutors argue this ties preparation before the homicide to his later admission. Instructed his buddy to destroy the evidence, delete the exchange where he admits that he did this, and by the way, the guy did it. So I'm not sure that this guy. Lance Twigs. His trans lover isn't caught up in this, but right now he is serving as state's witness. So listen to Brian Davis. Read some of the text messages from Tyler Robinson. Cut 35.
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Lance says, why?
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Rebecca Heinrich
And Tyler says, why did I do it?
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Brian Kilmeade
And Lance says, yeah. Tyler says, I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out.
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Rebecca Heinrich
If I'm able to grab. To grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence going to attempt
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Brian Kilmeade
to retrieve it again. So obviously left a ton of evidence. Plus videotape. He doesn't know what he's doing, but he knew how to kill and he knew how to shoot. So this shut in, who's never really accomplished anything in his life besides fantastic grades in high school, never went through college, ends up basically. I love the term underemployed. Barely working, spending his life on a keyboard. Said, I'm so involved in politics, I think I'll kill people that I don't agree with with. Cut 34. And Tyler says, I'm still okay, my
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Rebecca Heinrich
love, but I'm stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come
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Brian Kilmeade
home, but gotta grab my rifle. Still, to be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age.
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Rebecca Heinrich
I am sorry to involve you. And then Lance replies, you weren't the one who did it, right? And Tyler says, I am.
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Brian Kilmeade
I'm sorry.
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So do you need. Do you getting what I'm saying here? Obviously he's the guy. You're driving your car right now and you say of course he's the guy. What's, what's the problem? Well, any of the era this is done. You know, you go through the motions and this guy tries to plea it down. And if anybody deserves a death penalty, this guy does. And you have a case strong enough, you don't need to take a deal. Doesn't seem anyway just go forward and just take this guy out. So the next guy on a keyboard who wants to shoot up a school or kill a prominent person and think they're going to matter more or it's not going to matter much, will not do it. Cuz they see this other guy with no history of criminal activity, no history of killing or wounding or hurting, no history of violence at all. Not like it's a TDA member or a member of the Bloods and Crips. God grew up in a bad neighborhood. Where on the project kill or be killed. No, he lived in a very wealthy neighborhood, went to every school possible, had every advantage possible, and decided to go into this horrible vortex sex world led by, I don't know, Discord. That's where he found his home. People he never met talking about politics that really don't affect him. So according to the testimony, Twigs is going to be testifying against him in front of him. He was on tape in another location. This will be different this time when they actually go to trial. But for some reason the judge needs more time, all the way till August to decide if there's going to be a trial. Of course there's going to be a trial. Just a little bit more before I get to the other point for Donald Trump Jr. So Donald Trump was on last night. First he was on with Bill Hermer, then he was on with Jesse Waters. So. And he just talks about how he is the last one to give up on a conspiracy theory. Cut 43.
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There's people that, you know, frankly, perhaps in some cases rightfully so, feel like they've been misled for a long time about a lot of things that turns out they were right. So, you know, you have those and then you have other people that, you know, I imagine are doing it for clicks and, you know, they've either tried to monetize this or otherwise. So, you know, I'm not going to give credence either way. I know many people, frankly, on both sides of that, you know, the movement, it's really coming together now that, you know, before six months ago it would have been probably 50, 50. Now it's probably a 9010 issue where people are saying, okay, this is very clearly what happened. But I understand a lot of people why they'd be skeptical about anything that they've been told as of late.
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Skeptical is fine. But blaming Erica Kirk for killing, conspiring to kill her husband is not fine. An ex boyfriend conspiring to kill her husband, not fine. Bibi Netanyahu for killing Charlie Kirk, not fine. The Israeli government in general, not okay. The Egyptian, an Egyptian private plane landed at an airport court with unknown plate numbers or whatever they call by whatever call numbers they use, not fine. And this is just some of the conspiracy theories members of Turning Point wanted Charlie out, not fine. We'll talk about that on ONE NATION on Sunday night. Be my lead guest, Andrew Colbert from Turning Point.
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From the FOX News radio studios in midtown Manhattan. It's the fastest growing radio talk show. Brian kilmeade, thanks so much for being here, everybody.
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It's the Brian Kilimmeade show from 40th and 6th in Midtown Manhattan. We're heard around the country. We're heard around the world. We get responses from all you. And please write me Brian kilmeade.com briankillmead.com and just click on contacts and I'll be able to see what's on your mind. Mark Penn's going to be coming up shortly. Rebecca Heinrich, senior fellow with the Hudson Institute, fresh off a visit from Ukraine last week. We'll be putting perspective on Iran as well as Ukraine and that'll be great. And I just gotta urge you, I hope to see everyone in Pensacola tomorrow night streamed on Fox Nation 8pm See you in the audience. Briankillmead.com so before we get to Mark, let's get to the big three.
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Number three, the DNA evidence, the fact that, you know, minor details like he turned himself in and I believe his parents identified him in the video. To me, it puts so much of this at rest.
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Yeah. That is obviously Don Jr. Killing off the hurtful, vengeful, conspiracies in the Shirley Kirk hearings. Ken, the results end these wild, damaging, unmoored theories once and for all.
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Number two, the leaders of the Democratic Party are so weak, they're no longer the leaders.
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The true leaders of this party are Bernie Sanders, AOC and Mandani. I mean, Donny beat Hakeem Jeffries by endorsing people and defeating him. No doubt about it. Former Speaker Kevin McCarthy, DSA wreaking havoc in the DNC as their candidate. One candidate implodes in Maine and about to win a primary in Michigan. What it means for both Republicans and Democrats in November.
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Number one, you take that 14 point
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Keith Kellogg
MOU and you throw it away and
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Brian Kilmeade
you start to make the Iranians understand
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Keith Kellogg
that we are not equals in this fight at all.
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Brian Kilmeade
They don't seem to understand that. Are we really talking again to the Iranians after shooting ships and absorbing two days of bombing and we hit them 90 times yesterday. The question when we do talk, what are we talking about? The MoU was a big mistake and not in any way a. Okay. Mark Pence, CEO of and chairman of Stagwell Inc. Former pollster with the Clintons, joins us now. Mark, welcome back.
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Mark Penn
Morning.
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Brian Kilmeade
If we could stop it at Platner. Are you surprised we're here today where he is not. Not turned in, is not officially resigned, is holding onto the nomination till deadline day on Monday?
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Mark Penn
No, I'm not surprised. I think he kind of put out a cagey announcement and I think he wants to pick his successor. Look, you know, look, I have thought from day one, we had no business. The Democrats had no business nominating Graham Platner. Backing Graham Platner, just the Nazi tattoo alone was disqualifying. And everything else about him said that he wasn't qualified to be a United States Senator. I mean, and so consequently, the fact that he's going to hold them up, it's kind of justice for the fact they never should have gotten involved with this guy in the first place.
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Brian Kilmeade
So now they're going to put together 600 delegates, going to get together and pick another nominee. Is this a good thing for the Democrats? Is that the best way to do this moving forward?
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Mark Penn
Oh, look, it says it's as good as any. It's clear the primary process didn't produce anything that was worthwhile. So I suppose the 600 delegates is a good, it's a, it's a good way for them to get the party organized and behind it. Look, it all depends. If 599 vote for the nominee, then it's going to be unifying. If you hold the convention and it splits 300, 300 for proposed nominees, then it will serve the opposite purpose. But I suppose it's as good a method as any. However, he does have to withdraw first, and he hasn't done that.
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Brian Kilmeade
So he denied all allegations, but he's not fighting the allegations. He just ends up leaving. So one thing that people fear on the left is that he is not going to endorse and not going to. His 72% of the vote will sit out because they're mad that he's not in. Is that a legitimate worry?
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Mark Penn
Probably. Look, you know, to go back to and I wrote an article on Fox News that said, Look, Federalist62 set up the Senate. The senator is supposed to be above politics, somewhat really, really well educated about the issues, really able to kind of work together with other colleagues in the Senate. Right. There's nothing about this process that says that we're trying to, that they're trying to nominate a senator in that mode. And Susan Collins, frankly, is someone in that mode. Right. Who's judicious. She doesn't always agree with her party. She stands up when she thinks she, she needs to. She's been in the Senate a long time. She knows the issues. This be all end all effort to defeat her when she's been a good representative for Maine, I don't think is going to ultimately go anywhere.
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Brian Kilmeade
And do you think they win it without her? Do you think that the Democrats could win the Senate without taking Maine?
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Mark Penn
You know, what are the Democrats going to get whether they win the Senate or not? They get the ability to slow down, I guess, nominations.
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Brian Kilmeade
If they win the Senate, they'll probably do no nominations.
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Mark Penn
Well, and if that does happen, look, I don't think that's likely to happen. I think that I kind of agree with generally the notion that it will be hard for the Republicans to hold on Congress, but not impossible, particularly given what the Democratic Party has been doing for the last two months. And I do think that the Senate is going to be like a billion dollars spent by the Democratic Party, not likely to switch control of it.
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Brian Kilmeade
I want you to hear from Lauren Leader. She was on another network, co founder and CEO of All In Together cut 58.
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Rebecca Heinrich
And the reason why I think this is important to highlight is because Platner himself, in his sort of very defensive video the other day, is continuing to
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Riley Gaines
blame this sort of conspiracy idea of
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Rebecca Heinrich
there's a vast conspiracy to take him out rather than taking responsibility for his behavior.
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Riley Gaines
And that is what I saw from his supporters.
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Brian Kilmeade
And that's why their fear that if he doesn't do anything, he does what Ted Kennedy did, didn't do for Jimmy Carter or Ronald Reagan, didn't do for Gerald Ford, even though that was presidential and much bigger that that could be. The percentages that tanks anybody.
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Mark Penn
Look, I think Susan Collins won last time, but what, eight points?
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Brian Kilmeade
Yeah, yeah.
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Mark Penn
Is the endorsement of kind of someone who didn't have any experience, whose following was really incredibly brief because nobody knew who he was except for this campaign really going to be the tipping point one way or the other? No, the tipping point is the embarrassment here that the Democratic Party got behind somebody who was patently unqualified because they would, quote, go do anything to try to defeat Susan Collins, who has been a, who is hardly a MAGA right wing, you know, senator, who's represented the, you know, the state. The state well. And, and that they were basically willing to tell their constituents, no matter how bad this guy was, you had to get behind him. I think that's an embarrassing stain. It's. If the Democratic Party wants to win, it has to start backing not crazy left wing, inexperienced, unqualified candidates, but the opposite.
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Brian Kilmeade
Just before we move on to this, and I want to get your take on Rahm Emanuel going over to Israel and saying how bad Israel is. There's the DSA platform leaked out by two of their officers. They want to eliminate the U.S. senate, replace the president and Supreme Court with an executive and judiciary chosen by subordinate Congress, amnesty for all immigrants. They wanted to fund the Department of War, a 32 hour workweek, establish the wealth tax and pass the new Green Deal, Universal rent control, elimination of cash bail and end to all deportations. I mean this is a parade of horribles. How does that fit in with the Democratic Party?
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Mark Penn
It doesn't. And it's time for the Democratic Party to stand up to the dsa. The DSA starts out with, hey, hey, let's get rid of the Constitution. You know, the Constitution principles are ones of checks and balances to preserve certain principles and rights of, of minority constituencies. That's what freedom of speech is about. We are not a democracy pure, a pure democracy. We are a republic that combines those things. If you created the, the classic socialist local committees, right. A president, you know, run and appointed by, by, by a Congress. Right. With no checks of the courts, of, no checks of the Senate. Our system is supposed to be one of rational checks and balances as, as opposed to the popular will of the minute. Right. And, and this is a, this is a Dangerous anti Constitutional party and Democrats have to wake up to that fact.
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Brian Kilmeade
Mark, just refresh everybody's memory. Listening at home. When George H.W. bush was running against Bill Clinton, what were the main difference between the two candidates?
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Mark Penn
Well, you know, the difference on that was really about the economy. I think Bill Clinton had a strong economic plan and a plan that he put forward and a plan that resulted in prosperity, a balanced budget and almost wiped out the debt by the end of the term.
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Brian Kilmeade
So, but, you know, Bill Clinton wins, okay? The country goes center left. George H.W. bush wins, go center right. Are we ever going to get back to that? Because this checklist is a scary checklist and it's not just fringe people like Platner with the Nazi tattoos. There are people winning now who believe this stuff.
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Mark Penn
Yeah, well, look, social media again, Platner and candidates like Platner are creations of social media that didn't exist at the time that Bill Clinton against Bush or against Dole. Right? And so this turns out to be a destructive force because. Because it's so easy to propagate conspiracy theories, you know, that, that, that, that really have no value or meaning whatsoever. It's like this whole Charlie Kirk assassination, you know, guy who assassinated Charlie Kirk. It's like you have to prove to everybody that this guy who confessed, right. Is in fact the killer to combat these theories that get spread online and that people listen to and not everybody picks them up. But you know, if we have 10 or 15 or 20% believing in these theories, it's incredibly corrosive and destructive. And I think we have the same thing in terms of the politics. Right? There's really, the social media have really enabled growth of completely inexperienced candidates with more extreme views and low turnout primary systems. And then further that.
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Brian Kilmeade
So we have some work to do
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Mark Penn
here to kind of get our system in balance, get back to people that we're choosing on the basis of confidence, not TikTok video.
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Brian Kilmeade
True, but if I put Mark Penn in charge of the dnc, you wouldn't tolerate this. You wouldn't say, hey, you wouldn't say, dsa, you're welcome, I'm gonna have a big tent, would you?
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Mark Penn
Look, we're a long way from the Democratic politics of the 90s, right, in which I ran the 98 midterm with progress, not partisanship, as the key theme. And the Democratic Party is so far removed from that today that the idea of a centrist really heading it is. It's not even thinkable at the moment. Now, will it turn around in another look The Republican Party was in the wilderness since 1932 until Eisenhower. So parties can go into the wilderness for a long time. The problem here is that Democrats can pick up a lot of urban areas and blue states have a lot of power in those areas where Republicans really can't reach or throw them out, no matter how incompetent.
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Brian Kilmeade
So a lot of people leave. Republicans leave to make them even more, make the Democrats even more powerful. So Rahm Emanuel, people say he's, he's so called moderate, thought he had to go to Israel and basically said, you're gonna be one of 23 states. You're all gonna be equal. If you want weapons, you have to buy them and essentially call them out. Cut 16. Your government has been complicit in the horrors now being inflicted on innocent families
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in the West Bank.
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That undermines your international legitimacy as a small nation at a time when you can least afford it more. Cut 17. The Prime Minister and his government have led Israel into a dead end. For too long, American policy towards Israel operated under the assumption that the best thing Washington can do for Jerusalem is
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to blindly to silently stand behind your
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government without conditions, without demands, without consequences. Even when we disagreed. Israel will be alone if its leaders choose to attempt to annex the West Bank. America, they're not even talking about annexing the West Bank. Besides the extreme right, why do you think was, what was he up to in doing this?
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I don't know.
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Mark Penn
Maybe he should go run an Israel. I mean, political look, it's disappointing and desperate. I worked with Rahm Emanuel that this is the way he's opening his political campaign and thinks that's what he needs to do to have a chance in a Democratic primary rather than talk about the issues here, here in America.
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Brian Kilmeade
No doubt about it. When you look at the president right now and the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, I know about history, they always lose seats. That does the party in power. But being that they had the gerrymandering, you got the war slow, a low impact war perhaps, or a slow burning war. And you have this DSA working its way inside the dnc. What do you think we're going to be looking at in November?
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Mark Penn
Well, you know, I'm going into the field with the poll in the, in the next couple of days. And I think that, that I've seen in the polling so far, much closer. You know, I've seen the races, the national 50, 50, 48, 51, you know, within a couple of points either way. So I don't, I don't see a landslide occurring here, you know, any in either direction. And the question is whether or not the Democrats are going to kind of edge up because I think the Republican constituency and backers, you know, particularly behind, behind President Trump are quite strong and are holding. I don't see any Republican deterioration. I think the Republicans have to look carefully at the Latino community. They're very sensitive to the economy. There's a big disconnect between the top line economic numbers and how people are feeling about the economy. And the administration's got to do a job in terms of bridging that and giving people confidence in the economic policy going forward.
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Brian Kilmeade
Mark Penn, besides that, you have no opinions?
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Rebecca Heinrich
No.
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Brian Kilmeade
It's fantastic talking to you. I truly appreciate it. CEO and chairman of Stagwell Inc. I look forward to getting those numbers. Thanks so much, Mark. Have a great weekend.
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Mark Penn
Thank you.
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Keith Kellogg
Brian.
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Brian Kilmeade
Back in a moment.
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Both sides, all opinions. It's Brian Kilmeade, The talk show that's getting you talking. You're with Brian Kilmeade.
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So the defense is resting on the Charlie Kirk trial. And I, I shouldn't say that they, this is the whole thing. This is the hearing. So they want to see and the cameras are there for most of it. The judge is going to say, is there enough here for a trial? I mean, the, the evidence is overwhelming. You have two or three confessions. His own parents turned him in. You he got the gun traced back to him. He got video. It's overwhelming, which the crazy thing is and you have his friend, lover, roommate turning against him, talking about these things and providing text messages. So the judge is now going to hear from the defense and I think they're going to be wrapped by, you know, this morning. You're going to have one or two witnesses at which time, of course, the judge is going to need get this until September. So assuming after Labor Day to make a decision on whether there's going to be a trial, evidently this guy has got no experience. He just became a judge and you put him on such a high profile case. What is Utah thinking and what on what planet do you need till September to decide if there's a trial? And the prosecution, you got to go for the death penalty. If you have no death penalty in the state, fine. But there is one if there is any ever reason to make sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that somebody's guilty and the crime was horrific. You got a horrific crime, killing a young man who was extremely powerful in this country, starting a grassroots group that might have helped tilt the election towards One particular party who has two young kids and a wife just killed in the prime of his life, life by somebody who didn't like some things that they said. Killing him in cold blood and getting him literally dead to rights. If you don't want to have a death penalty, take it off the books. But if it's on the books, he's got to get it. When we come back, I want to talk about what's happening in Iran, what we expect to happen over here. And they'll say the success story which is Ukraine, don't move.
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He's so busy, he'll make your that spin. It's Brian Kilmeade.
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You take that 14 point mou and
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Keith Kellogg
you throw it away and you start
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Brian Kilmeade
to make the Iranians understand that we
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Keith Kellogg
are not equals in this fight at all.
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Brian Kilmeade
Because what you just said, we've decimated their military forces. We were able to penetrate at will. So that is, that is Lieutenant General Keith Kellogg who was in charge of Ukraine for a while. He's got great knowledge of the area, 40 years in uniform, now retired. But a Fox News contributor with me right now is Rebecca Heinrich, senior fellow at the Hudson Institute. And we're pretty much, I wanted to bump in on that or Eric picked it out perfectly. And that's because the MOU has really been a hindrance. I guess it stopped the violence and gave us a plan. But if you look at what it, look at what it says, it allowed Iran to interpret it as we're going to control the strait.
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Rebecca Heinrich
Yeah, I would say that the MOU didn't really allow us to do anything. I don't really see any practical benefit from the MoU. I think that there was this idea that if there was an MOU that you would give maybe insurance companies confidence to get ships through the strait. But the Iranians never cooperated with the MOU and never even had the same understanding as the United States on multiple provisions in the MoU. In particular, the Iranians thought that the MOU granted them management of the strait. So the Iranians continue to say we've got management of the strait. It only says that we can't toll for 60 days, but we still have management of the strait. That's why they keep shooting into the strait, because ships are going around, around their corridor and they're going through the American led corridor along Oman. And I think the other bad thing about the mou, Brian, was that it immediately gave the Iranians sanctions relief. So they had money coming in and who was buying Iranian oil that they were now permitted to sell the Chinese. And so I think it was a mistake. And looks like the President is coming around to that conclusion because of his remarks that he just made in Ankara.
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Brian Kilmeade
And how about his response? Instead of proportional, he's saying, no, no, it's disproportional.
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Rebecca Heinrich
Yeah.
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Brian Kilmeade
You hit us once. We hit you 90 times. 90 times. And then 70 the day before.
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Rebecca Heinrich
Yeah. This looks to me more like the President had targets already on a list. Remember Admiral Cooper? He's the commander of Central Command. We used to see him almost daily during the beginning of Operation Epic Fury, and that we haven't seen him since the supposed ceasefire. But I guarantee you Admiral Cooper has had a comprehensive list of targets that he still wanted to hit. Should be. Should he be given the authorization to do that. So it does look like the President is now saying, look, look, let's further degrade what the Iranians are using to coerce the strait.
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Brian Kilmeade
Rebecca, I know it's easier said than done, but I understand that there's been years where people have devised military plans to take and hold the strait. So I think the only way to keep oil prices down and make sure they don't manage the strait is let us manage it. So what we would have to do militarily, in order to take control of that strait, we'd have to back up missile and drone, drone launchers further enough, further back that we could either take them out of the sky and give it. And give these merchant ships faith that they could get through the strait, that we have their back.
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Mark Penn
Right?
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Rebecca Heinrich
I think that's right. And I think that the US Taking control of it, when we, when we say that, of course, we're not saying that we would. That we ourselves would toll it. What we're saying is that we would be the ones that are securing it. Exactly. And then once the United States does that, you have to dislodge all these IRGC coastal defenses along the banks there and in these tunnels. But then after you do that, you have the Marines that secure these areas, these people, island islands, almost certainly Kharg Island. Of course, we've talked about that quite a bit. It would be temporary. But as President Trump said. Look, I liked his comment where he essentially said, we can do what we need to do. The Iranians can't really do anything because of how significantly we've degraded their military thus far. But then what I would like to see is that once the United States has secured the strait, you turn it over to a multinational coalition of other countries that are in the region. And have a lot more at stake in the Strait, including the Europeans. Yes, the Europeans, which have said they want to do it. They just don't want to be co combatants in an act of war. But I think once the United States only we can remember in the beginning of Project Freedom, Secretary Hegseth gave a great defense of it and so did Secretary Rubio where he said, we are the only country that can do this. This is why we do it. We establish freedom of the seas and we defend it. And then we can turn it over to our allies to take control of it after we secure it. I think that's the direction we have to go.
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Brian Kilmeade
So here is the pushback. General Wesley Clark cut 11.
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Keith Kellogg
They still got an enormous missile capacity.
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Mark Penn
They're going to be very hard to move on giving up their nuclear capacity.
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Keith Kellogg
So I think we're in for. For quite a struggle here.
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Brian Kilmeade
So he believes they have a capacity left. Now. What they did to Kuwait, Bahrain and Jordan was totally ineffective. I understand only one person was injured, got hit by falling shrapnel. So what do you think they have left?
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Rebecca Heinrich
I mean, it looks like from I try to gather all of their public sort of intelligence information that comes out, and it looks like the consensus is we probably took out 70 to 80% of their missile force. That means they have 20% or so left over. And that's why I think that if the United States were to actually re engage on some more robust military operation, you would see these, you know, 80 targets we'd hit, 90 targets we'd hit. We'd try to further degrade their missile capacity so that if we do land Marines, put them on the ground, they're not going to be exposed to missile fire. But to your point, Brian, I think this is really important. The other thing that the other reason that the United States cannot let this go on this way is because these Arab Gulf states sided with the United States and Israel when we were the ones taking care of business. But if we're going to sort of back out and not retaliate with overwhelming force, these Gulf states are going to hedge against us. I mean, this is about the United States being a good ally and making sure that these people can bet on us and don't start to hedge away.
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Brian Kilmeade
So do you know, I don't know if you can confirm this, but Benjamin hall said that it looks like the Gulf states took part in the bombing operation and blowing up train, drawing up the train tracks, transportation in and out of what they were using, going out of Russia and China as you know, they bought up both those countries. Have you heard that too?
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Rebecca Heinrich
So, I mean, there's some speculation online, I mean, if I had to put money on a country and say it's probably, that country is probably the uae. The UAE we do know is one of the Gulf states that did retaliate offensively against Iran. And the UAE is livid that the Iranians continue to fire on these Gulf countries. And I've been hearing from my credible sources in the region too that they're livid at the Russians for defending the Iranians because the UAE has wanted to be this global banking center and they wanted to kind of be neutral in all these different conflicts. And the Russians do a lot of business with the uae and they told the Russians do not side with the Iranians and they did. So the UAE is, is very, very frustrated and it would not surprise me at all if it was UAE that retaliated.
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Brian Kilmeade
Well, number one, they do have control of Iranian money in their banks. So what is it going to take and what is the downside of freezing the money that they put in there to basically hide? And a lot of their so called Iranian elites have money there.
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Rebecca Heinrich
Oh, I mean, I think that they should do it. I mean, I think at this point their argument would be, I don't think it's a good argument, but their argument would be we don't, again, we want to be neutral. We don't want to be, we don't want countries to think that there's a risk if in our country, we have money in our country. But obviously everybody should understand that there is a risk, that if you're going to be an aggressor in the region, that your money's going to be at risk of these countries freezing it in their banks. So I think clearly the UAE should freeze that money and not permit the Iranians to have it. They have frozen some, so has Qatar. But you know, the Iranians shouldn't think that they've got money safe anywhere.
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Brian Kilmeade
So let's go to Ukraine. So I was struck by how friendly the President and respectful he was to Zelensky and vice versa. And the one thing the President likes, and I was talking to an esteemed general last night, he likes the fact that Ukraine's winning and he says, you know, instead of feeling like it's hopeless and this guy just wants me to pour money into a state that's gonna fail, he should just go and cut a deal. I think he understands and I think he's been briefed by his intelligence services that the damage they're doing to the refineries is real. The fact that they're mass producing their own long range missiles 1500 miles away. You were in Ukraine three weeks ago. So what's the reality?
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Rebecca Heinrich
Well, remember we even talked, I think we talked about this where I was like, you know what, as soon as the President gets his briefing on how well the Ukrainians are doing, he's going to see that they're a winner and that they can contribute to our security. And so, yeah, I was very pleased. I didn't, I was not shocked by it, but I was very pleased to see President Trump so warm towards Zelensky. They traded jokes in Ankara. And now the United States is going to be collaborating with them to some degree on drone production. And because we need them. We need them and we all. It's not even just about learning how the Ukrainians build drones. That's people can figure out how to build drones. It's how the Ukrainians have figured out how to adapt on the battlefield and reiterate how they're doing it against a peer adversary like Russia. I mean, they're the only country within our alliance architecture that has fought Russia recently. So there's so much that we can learn from the Ukrainians. President Trump likes to bet on the, on the winner. And I think Ukraine has demonstrated that it's winning and it wants to be a team player for us.
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Brian Kilmeade
So when they need his Patriots.
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Riley Gaines
Yeah.
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Brian Kilmeade
And they can't, why, the one thing is Keef's been targeted. They go for apartment buildings and you have Ukraine going for refineries. So they want to kill civilians. Don't anyone tell you different. And Ukraine just wants to stop the war machine. So having said that, they now have licenses to build Patriots or it's officially coming soon. But I was listening to the experts, which I am not, and they say it's going to be about a year between the components and the construction and the instruction. How do you feel about it?
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Rebecca Heinrich
So that's, you know, there's always like on paper what people say. If you just look at how long it takes Lockheed Martin to build these things, and even if Lockheed builds them in Ukraine, it's going to take about that long. But then there's the, okay, but if people have the real political will, can we not find the component parts and get the supply chain where it needs to be to go faster? So I've heard a little bit of like rumblings that Poland might be able to help with some of these things to try to get Lockheed Martin the parts and pieces that it needs to go faster in Ukraine. So I'm. I'm hopeful that everybody understands that this is an emergency. Ukraine needs to have Patriots. They're doing great on drone defense. The only thing that they cannot defend against is the missiles that Russia is firing at civilian targets. When I was in Ukraine, I was struck by how important the Patriot is for the people of Ukraine to have confidence, to go to work and send their kids to school. I mean, it's much like the Israeli, you know, Iron Dome. They need confidence that they're gonna be protected. So this is an emergency. It cannot take 3, 4, 5. It needs to be immediate.
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Brian Kilmeade
Right. Member of a year and a half to train a pilot, to pick a pilot, to learn to rely. 1F15 that they may or may not get. Those were the Biden dragging things out. We don't have that type of time. So I also was encouraged by this. The president talked to Vladimir Putin on Saturday. He likes to call right before a Ukrainian meeting. And at the end of it, evidently, the report was he was frustrated. Vladimir Putin, what have you heard about that meeting? Because usually he feels as though he wins President Trump over. Not this time.
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No.
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Rebecca Heinrich
Putin seems very frustrated. I mean, he's got oligarchs that are now publicly speaking about how badly the Russian economy is doing. He is losing thousands and thousands of Russians on the battlefield. You have a small country that was supposed to lose right away, winning on the battlefield. I mean, Ukrainians are killing more Russians than the Russians are killing Ukrainians.
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Brian Kilmeade
They say one Ukraine dies for every six Russians.
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Rebecca Heinrich
Yeah. I mean, and we should not, you know, lose sight of the fact that these are still just a lot of Ukrainians that are dying, too. And the Ukrainians are. So. They're war weary, but at the same time, they have such incredible national resolve. And these people are not going to go.
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Brian Kilmeade
Where are they going?
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Rebecca Heinrich
They have nowhere to go. And when I was there, the other thing I was so impressed by, that Americans should be able to relate to, too incredible patriotism. They're defending hearth and home and their own freedom and so really inspiring greater sense of national cohesion and identity. And so the Russians are clearly very frustrated. And here's the other thing. The Russians still only fear the United States.
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Riley Gaines
States.
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Rebecca Heinrich
We want the Europeans to do more. Absolutely. And we want the. And the Europeans are. They're the ones that are supplying weapons to Ukraine. They're buying them from America. But it still comes down to, is the United States still backing Ukraine? Because that's what the Russians fear. We're the only ones that can be the backstop for Ukrainians success.
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Brian Kilmeade
And when we equivocate, they get hardened and they fight harder.
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Rebecca Heinrich
Absolutely, that's exactly right. And when the United States is strong and demonstrates that the Russians are not going to prevail, you move closer to people. I mean, if the Russians think that the United States might back out or might not support Ukraine, that emboldens the Russians.
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Brian Kilmeade
So this is so interesting. So people at home who say, I'm sorry, tired of you talking about this war. Well, imagine if you were fighting it and Ukrainians didn't want this war. There's not one Ukrainian who said, I hope we fight Russia, not one. But now not only are they not losing ground, but in Crimea it's almost uninhabitable according to reports because they've just rained down rockets and drones and their summer on the beach in the, that resort town is not coming to fruition, is it?
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Rebecca Heinrich
No, it's not. And I love the Ukrainians always call, you know, the Russian occupied territories temporarily occupied territories because the Ukrainians might say, look, we might get a cease fire now, but all of these Ukrainian territories that the Russians have taken, we want them back someday, if not soon, eventually. And so I mean the Russians are, I mean, if you just look at the big picture, NATO, NATO has expanded because of this war. We've got two new Finland and Sweden. And so I mean, any way you look at it, the Russians have not succeeded.
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Brian Kilmeade
Now every one of the countries is now spending more in their military. Look at now Germany is the second biggest contributor to their defense, taking the place of Britain. So now they're putting $93 billion into their defense. That's unheard of for them. Now we're at 1 trillion, roughly.
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Rebecca Heinrich
Yeah, we're at 1 trillion, but that's,
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Brian Kilmeade
we need to be 1.5.
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Rebecca Heinrich
We need to be at 1.5. And remember, I mean that's about 5% of our G. So if you look at each nation's gdp, that's kind of the more important metric than to look at exactly the numbers that they're spending. But look like, you know, when I talk to my, I'm from rural Ohio, when I go back and talk to my friends back home, I said the reason this matters so much is because the Russians actually hate us. We're their number one adversary. It's the United States of America. And Russia wants to break up NATO because they think of NATO as being the United States influence and prosperity as it relates to our forward project and our relationship with Europe. And so we want to stop, we want to enable the Ukrainians to prevail, to stop the Russians there because it creates less of a problem for us.
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Brian Kilmeade
Do you believe that the Russians are playing a role helping Iran significantly?
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Rebecca Heinrich
I don't know the degree to which they're providing material support. They are blocking. Anytime somebody wants to put out, any country wants to put out a statement or put out increased sanctions or anything like that, the Russians block it. So they don't want to condemn Iran. They're publicly supporting Iran. We do know earlier on that it looked like credible reporting that they were providing targeting to help the Iranians. What really worries me is those early drone strikes that where Iran successfully killed our war fighters on those bases with drones. That, that tactic, that specific tactic was something that the Russians have learned to do against the Ukrainians. And so, I mean, I'm worried that the Russians have helped the Iranians so much so that they may be directly responsible for the death threat because they
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Brian Kilmeade
know a lot about our bases.
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Rebecca Heinrich
They know a lot about our bases.
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Brian Kilmeade
Rebecca Heinrich, thanks so much. Man, so intense. Senior fellow at the Hudson Institute Institute. Two hotspots. You know it all. Thanks so much, Rebecca.
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Rebecca Heinrich
Thank you.
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Brian Kilmeade
Real talk, real guests, real insight where curiosity meets conversation. It's the Brian Kilmeade Show. Information you want, truth you demand. This is the Brian Kilmeade Show.
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All early polling shows that Abdul is catching all the fire. All of the energy of the Democrat Party in Michigan is that Democrat Socialists of America with working parties kind of blend.
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Rebecca Heinrich
Would you rather go up against him?
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Brian Kilmeade
We're going to beat them both. We just watched a debate recently. It was an absolute train wreck for them. It is about crazy versus common sense. We're offering a common sense, a chance agenda, a change agenda.
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That's why we think we're definitely going to win this thing.
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And Abdul, the crazier he gets, the more crazy he talks, the better he does in the Democrat primary. Yeah, and by the way, he calls himself a doctor. I guess he does have a degree at Columbia, but he's not a doctor. And he got pressed on that not being a doctor on Ms. Now that was Mike Rogers who has locked up the nomination unopposed on the Republican side. Almost beat Alyssa Sleep Klotnik to get it last time. Remember, Dave McCormick barely lost to Dr. Oz. Came back and won that seat against an established Senator Casey who had been there for decades and his dad before that. I think that Mike Rogers got an easier road and I do think that he can do it. I think there's much more logical people in Michigan. Here's Abdul El Sayed, unable to answer why he uses the term Dr. Cut 28.
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Now, at the end of the day,
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it's not about whether or not I'm a physician or a doctor. The question is, can you see a doctor? It's not about my education. It's about whether or not your kid gets a good education. Well, it's not spending time, but people
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would say it's also about did you tell the truth?
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Well, I would say that I was the health director for the city of Detroit and I've done more to provide
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more people health care or eliminate their
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medical debt than most doctors have done in their practice career.
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Rebecca Heinrich
Well,
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Brian Kilmeade
I say you did not tell the truth. And that's who they're trying to find out, who to pick, who to run against. I think Rogers really wants against against EL Said. And I think he's a very bright guy. It's what he believes is the problem. It's not that he can't do the job, but what he would do if he got the job, which is scary. Now, Alyssa Slotnick could honestly say, and I'm not saying that she is, but she could say I'm a moderate and I'm from the CIA. Abdul can't say that.
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From high atop FOX News headquarters in New York City, always seeking solutions, never sewing defense vision, it's Brian Kilmeade.
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Hope you had a great week. Fresh off 4th of July, we really haven't slowed down. We got 100 miles an hour. Then July 5th was we had the Sunday show at One Nation. Hope everyone liked that. We led with Doug Burgam because Doug Burgam was the guy who put together the fireworks and made sure the Mount Rushmore went okay and unrolled and rolled out the Teddy Roosevelt Museum over in North Dakota. Busy, busy day. And I hope everyone likes that show. This Sunday is going to be a great show, too. I'm going to have Andrew Colvitt on talking about the Charlie Kirk murder. And now finally, he was accused by some people, these podcasters, these lunatics are playing a role in Charlie's death. Erica Kirch was they said Egypt had a private plane there. Why was Egypt there? Israel was doing it. Bibi Netanyahu made him an offer. When he didn't take it, Charlie Kirk was assassinated. All this crazy stuff. Instead, we watched as because this guy, Tyler Robinson confessed in texts and to his parents that he did this, his parents turned him in. The evidence is overwhelming. I hope it begins to make Everybody out there stop looking at the Internet and saying, you know what, that sounds right? 911 was an inside job. We never landed on the moon. You know, the, you know, you, what are some of the other conspiracy theories out there? You know, Donald Trump was not shot at Butler. Do you hear about that? That's another new one. He wasn't really shot, just crazy. Joining us now is Mark Thiessen. Mark writes for the Washington Post, Fox News contributor and you see him all over the channel. You saw him in fact this morning. Mark Thiessen, welcome back.
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Good to be with you, Brian.
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First off with President United States, can we talk about Ukraine for a second and talk about the tone he had with Zelensky, the Tony Edwards Zelensky was so dramatically different than we've seen before. Respect was given. He talked about how innovative they've been. And now as you have called on in your column, General Keane is talking about they now are about to get the license to build Patriots.
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That's awesome. It's such good news and it's such a smart thing to do because one of the things that we've done that Trump has done is quieted sort of the anti Ukraine, right? Because he's instead of giving aid, he's selling weapons to the Ukrainians through NATO and NATO's paying for it. And so as soon as it stopped being a drain on US Taxpayers, all the arguments against doing it went away. And now we've gotten to the point where the Ukrainians are actually going to be helping us in our production because if they can build their own Patriots with a license, not only can they supply themselves and it's no longer a drain on our stockpiles, they could actually help us refill our coppers and give us a fraction of their production and then also we can get into business with them in drone technology. Because one of the things where, one of the things that's holding us back in Iran is the worry that the Iranian regime could actually attack the Gulf oil infrastructure with drone attacks. Well, what if we help ask the Ukrainians to help us with that and deploy Ukrainian drone units in Saudi Arabia, in Kuwait, in uae, in Qatar to help defend them and help us produce the technology to do that? That would be enormously helpful. The Ukrainian military is the strongest, most capable, most battle hardened milit in Europe and arguably on the entire face of the earth except for the United States and Israel right now. And so we should be finding ways to have mutually beneficial defense cooperation with them. They're innovative, they're flexible, they're Responding to the war is changing on the ground in Ukraine in ways that we need to learn because it's going to affect the way we fight future wars. So there's a lot of opportunity here that benefits the United States as well as the cause of the freedom.
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So it looks like Ukraine has pioneered drones that are now reaching Siberia, which is 1700 miles from Kiev, doing some damage. And it looks like our intelligence apparatus were the ones who said, you guys got to start aiming for refineries, not depots, refineries. And now what's happened, and everyone is feeling it now in Russia,
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very much so. And it was Director Radcliffe together with the President that hatched this plan, reportedly according to one report on the golf course together. And it's working. And also the fact that they're able to reach into Tatarstan right now. Why is the fact that they can hit Tatarstan important? That's where the drone factory is. That's where they built a, you know, the Shahid drones, the Iranian drones that we've been facing in the military Middle East. The Iranians were giving those to the Ukrainians, and then they gave them the technology to build their own. So they have a Shaheed drone factory that is producing, like 90% of the drones they're using in Ukraine. If we get. That's in Turkerstan, it was built there intentionally to be out of the reach of the Ukrainians. Now Tata stands within reach of the Ukrainians, which means they can take out that drone factory, and that would be a game changer in the war. So Putin's in a lot of trouble.
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So when you talk about the Patriot system, it will take time, though. The Patriot interceptor missiles, you know, obviously they're unbelievably effective, but they got to work with Lockheed Martin or Raytheon and produce them, get the material, and teach them how.
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Yeah, and there's also, by the way, there's a company that could help with that called Divergent Technologies out in California that I visited last year. And I've been. I'm going to write a column about them. But they, you know, normally it takes, you know, six to eight weeks to produce a single Patriot interceptor. They can do it in days because what they do is they do. They do 3D printing technology, and they can. They can. They can produce it. Instead of having hundreds of parts, it can have six parts. So it's less. It's less. Less prone to error. And they can start cranking these things out. We need to have a divergent factory in Ukraine that is producing these things and they can produce them faster. And quite frankly, we need to start using this technology more. It shouldn't take us so long to produce munitions in this country. And there's technology available to help us do it quickly. And it's also really important because the technology is changing in reality time, right? It used to be you take, when you build a defense system, you build it, design a missile, you'd build it and use that thing for decades. Right now it's weeks. You know, like we, like somebody was telling me, a Ukrainian was telling me that like you don't. We were saying we need to buy drones from Ukraine. He's like, you do not want to buy drones from Ukraine right now. Because if you buy, let's say you buy 10,000 drones from us in six weeks, they'll be obsolete. Wow. You need to have a relationship with the drone producer that we could produce them quickly for you, the latest versions of them when you need them. So the whole speed of military technology, the speed of development is just escalating and accelerating in unprecedented ways.
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So I want you to hear what Keith Kellogg said. Cup four, you take that 14 point mou and you throw it away and you start to make the Iranians understand
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Keith Kellogg
that we are not equals in this fight at all.
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Brian Kilmeade
Because what you just said, we've decimated their military forces.
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Keith Kellogg
We were able to penetrate at will.
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Brian Kilmeade
Would you like to see that done and just start again?
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Well, here's the problem is that Donald Trump has two red lines with the negotiations. The Iranians has to be complete dismantlement of their nuclear program. And the Strait of Hormuz has to be open and not and to all international traffic. Right. The Iranians are not willing to give him either of those things. And so when the fundamentals of the negotiations are based on two incompatible goals, then they're never going to succeed. And so I don't blame him for trying. He's a good negotiator. He wanted to give it a shot. But the reality is this is either going to end in two. There's three options for how this ends. A deal which, as I just described, is not likely to happen. A decisive military final phase of the military campaign where we just take out everything that we had started, stopped 14, you know, 5, 20 yards short of the finish line when we had the cease fire and finished the job, as the President said, or some kind of muddled, you know, conclusion which nobody wants. So I think it's inevitable that this is going to go back to major combat and that we're Going to finish the job.
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There were reports that Benjamin hall had that some of our Gulf State partners played a role in the 90s strikes last night. What have you heard?
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I have not heard that, but I believe everything that Benjamin hall reports. It would be a good thing because they were the ones who. Some of them, not all of them, not the ua, but some of our Gulf partners were the ones who pulled the plug on Project Freedom when we were trying to open the strait by force. We can open the strait. I mean, we have the technology and the capability to do it, and heck, let's bring the Ukrainians in to help us do it. But the way this ought to end, and it can end decisively and it can end pretty relatively quickly, finished the last 10 to 14 days of bombing that we had planned so that their defense industrial bases reduced from 85% destruction to 99% destruction. Take out all the ballistic missiles that they brought out of their hangars, destroy the instruments of repression, and then either the blockade, restore the blockade, or take car Guyland so we control the oil and then open the strait, and then unleash Director Radcliffe and the CIA to help arm the Iranian people and help them overthrow these people. Because that's the only way we're going to have peace in the region, is if we wake up the one morning with people who are not, who don't wake up in the morning saying, death to America and death to Israel.
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How real do you think the president. The threat on the president's life is very real.
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I mean, think about this. They just had a funeral for the Ayatollah who they blame Trump for killing. They want revenge, and he killed Soleimani, who was a hero in the revolutionary circles in Iran. Of course they want to kill him. And the solution is to. To overthrow them and get rid of the people who want to kill them. Here's what the end of this should be. There should not be a regime in Iran that wakes up and says, death to America, death to Israel, and death to Trump. There should be a regime in Iran that wakes up in the morning saying, america is my friend, Israel is our friend, and Donald Trump is our friend, and we want to work together for the peace of the world. That's the only way this ends in everything that Trump has accomplished, which is an enormous Stays. Stays locked in permanently. As if you have a regime that doesn't wake up every morning wanting to kill him.
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Yeah, that would be interesting if that would indeed happen. But you've already knocked out 80, up to 80 of their leaders. And the ones underneath are just as bad as the President says.
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Knock them out too. Yeah, knock them out too. All these people who are screaming at him on the phone and yelling and, you know, and cursing him and saying, you know, Biala will kill you. I mean, the record, the recounting of some of these conversations that Trump has with these people, I don't know where his patience comes from. Just kill those people. Take them out.
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And would you allow, would you go back in partnership with the Israelis to do it?
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Absolutely. I mean, I'm sure the Israelis were salivating at the picture of all these Iranian leaders that they coming out of the, out of their hidey holes for the funeral of the Ayatollah. I wish we had taken them out then.
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So Rahm, so Rahm Emanuel made it clear that he's gonna run for president and he's anti Israel. Listen to him. Cut 16. Your government has been complic in the horrors now being inflicted on innocent families in the West Bank. That undermines your international legitimacy as a small nation at a time when you can least afford it. And he went on to say, my vision would be 23 equal states in the Arab world, and if Israel wants weapons, they can buy them. This is a guy that's supposed to be reasonable on the left. What do you think? Would you be thinking if you're, if you're in, you live in Tel Aviv right now. Where? Jerusalem?
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Well, what I would think is that the Democrat, this is the moderate right in the Democratic Party. You know how we keep talking about the, there are no moderates in Iran. Like there are no moderate Nazis. There are no moderates in the Democratic Party either, at least in the, in the presidential campaign. I mean, this is the guy who worked for Clinton, who worked for Obama, who's supposed to be sort of a semi centrist kind of guy. That's the lane he's choosing for himself. He's obviously concluded that you cannot get the Democratic nomination and be proud Israel. And so he's decided to join the self loathing club and attack the Jews. And it's quite frankly pathetic. And you know, now in terms of buying weapons, I mean, Netanyahu said, we want to stop the aid and buy them. I think it's great that Trump stopped giving away stuff to Ukraine. I think we should stop giving it away to Israel. Israel is a wealthy country. They can afford to buy it. I agree with that. But not wrapped in a mantle of anti Israel, you know, spreading the lies about genocide and all the rest of it. I think Rahm Emanuel. Pathetic.
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I hear you. Marc Thiessen, thanks so much. Appreciate it. It's going to be an unfolding situation, your sense of what's going to happen this weekend in Iran because the president says he's open to talking again.
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Yeah, we'll see. I think, I think my, my guess is the likelihood is that major combat will resume, but it's not going to be this weekend and it might not be until the first Wednesday in November.
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First Wednesday in November, I think that's right after Election Day, which is Tuesday. That's so interesting. Yeah, I know. If you realize that.
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Yeah, I mean, let's, let's, let's put I, I tell you what, I'll bet you a, a what is that a raspberry freeze. What was it? What's your favorite?
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My butterfly. My butterfly.
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I'll bet you, I'll bet you a butterfly Refresher. First Wednesday of November.
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Keep this tape, baby. It's gonna cost you 550 Mark D said. Thanks so much. Back in a moment.
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Keeping you informed, engaged and always a step ahead. It's the Brian Kill Meat Show. From his mouth to your ears, it's Brian Kilmeade.
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Rebecca Heinrich
You say there's nothing out there that could be concerning. And this may seem a little bit rich.
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Brian Kilmeade
I just want to make this clear.
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There's nothing out there that's actually concerning.
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Keith Kellogg
People will make everything seem very concerning
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Brian Kilmeade
because that's what people do in politics.
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Mika Brzezinski, who went to bat for him, the only one to go to bat for a Monday even, he mailed it in on Monday and said, I, I quit when all these revelations came out, but she's still going to bat for him there. She's asking me any other things coming out. And everything came out and more is going to come out. They say there's another woman out there right now, unnamed, is going to come forward. And all he says generically is, well, none of this stuff is true. Well, if none of it's true, why are you leaving? Why don't you just take it on D directly? If none of it's true, nobody wants to see someone wrongfully charged. Eric Swalwell says all these are unsubstantiated. They're not true. But I quit. One thing about Trump, well, Trump had problems.
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Rebecca Heinrich
Yeah.
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Brian Kilmeade
He had accusers and he went ripping back at him to the point where he got sued for defamation because he said this is not true, this is all lies. And, and, and I'm willing to go to court for it. So whatever you think this is not how you act if you're innocent. So Graham Platner is now out. But as you can hear in his speech, and I listened to all 11 minutes of it, this guy is still defiant and he wants to get back at the party. And he's blaming those in the upper echelons of the Democratic Party for his undoing. Listen, he already won the primary. If there were no personal issues, he would be the Democratic nominee. And right now, technically, he is. Here's a little of how he says sounded on Wednesday. Cut 19. We believe that for the movement to continue, it can't be made.
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Mark Penn
And for that reason, we are suspending campaign operations.
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Brian Kilmeade
This is incredibly difficult because I know that some will think it's an admission of guilt, and it most certainly is not. We're not doing it because of the allegations.
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Keith Kellogg
We're doing it because the.
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Brian Kilmeade
Of.
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Keith Kellogg
Of the structures that are being taken
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Brian Kilmeade
away from us by those in power.
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Really?
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Okay, you could have just, listen, you got 72% of the vote. You, you could get to. You could go and do some grassroots, grassroots campaigning and then fight it out. Trump would. Here's David Axelrod and what it means and how this guy still has power. Cut 22.
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What is it about him that allowed him to be 30 points ahead of a popular sitting governor and forcing her
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out of the race?
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And the answer is that he was speaking to something very real. People feel like they've been ill served by our politics, ill served by the system, the economic system as it's functioning now. They see great concentrations of wealth influencing policy.
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You hear that all over the country.
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It's not just in Maine. So it would be a mistake for people to say, well, you know, this was an aberration and we should just forget about it. You may not agree with the solutions that Graham Platner was offering, but you
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better have some of your own, because
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people are very, very concerned about the direction of the country.
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I don't know. He had a lot of votes, but he was trailing Susan Collins by four. And they say she always polls bad and wins big. Now she's already polling good. So how popular can he be in Maine if his ideas had him behind Susan Collins, who everyone says it's so vulnerable. Listen to Brian Kilme Show. Riley Gaines is next, our coach, contributor, host of the Riley Gaines show and author of the new children's book, 1, 2, 3, we are free.
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A talk show that's real talk. This is the Brian Kilmeade Show.
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Riley Gaines
I am absolutely encouraged.
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Rebecca Heinrich
It was the Right thing. I will say it's what I expected.
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Riley Gaines
I expected the Supreme Court to uphold the legality essentially of the 27 states
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Rebecca Heinrich
that have laws protecting women's sports. I did not expect them to go
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Riley Gaines
so far as to say all states
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Rebecca Heinrich
must adhere essentially to the intent of title nine. And we have 23 states still that basically will refuse to protect women and girls in their sport categories. So we're not done. We won, but we're not done is what I would say.
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Brian Kilmeade
Jennifer. Say, as you know, an executive, former CEO of Levi's, and a fantastic gymnast in her day, weighed in on the Supreme Court decision last week that said you have to protect women's sports. And if states decide that trans men can't participate in women's sports, that is okay. It stands. The problem is the other states that say it is okay. Riley Gaines knows that. Outkick, Contributor, host of the Riley Gaines show, where she's a host there and author of a brand new book just a couple of weeks ago. It's a children's book called 1, 2, 3, We Are Free. Riley, what were your thoughts when that decision came down?
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Riley Gaines
Man, of course I was excited. This was, was long awaited, at least speaking personally, but there's a part of me that also feels exhausted. You know, I recognize it as a win. We celebrate, of course, success, victory. But the fact that we even have to continue to have this conversation nonetheless be brought before the highest court in the land, the Supreme Court, where we have a sitting Supreme Court justice who just a few years ago said she couldn't tell you what a woman is. Because she doesn't. Yeah, because she's not a biologist. Which is the most absurd thing I've ever heard because I'm not a veterinarian, but I know what a dog is, Brian. Anyways, so, so there's a part of me that's exhausted. We recognize it now as progress. Right. Indicating we are moving in the positive forward direction. But I think if you would have told us as a society, collectively, even what, five, maybe 10 years ago, that the Supreme Court ruled that women's sports, to have them is not unconstitutional, you would kind of just sit there and be like, duh, duh, it's not unconstitutional. Kindergarten kindergartners know that. So I'm excited, but, but, but I'm exhausted at the same time.
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Brian Kilmeade
So when Title 9 came out, one of the stories that I did a few times was how many men's sports would be eliminated because they couldn't match it with women's sports. You have a Men's men, a football team of 65 guys, 75. And then if you have to have just as many female athletes, what they were doing is cutting wrestling, cutting gymnastics, cutting whatever men's sport in order to get compliance. And if you didn't have football, it was relatively okay. That was once the hot issue. Now all of a sudden it's like, wait a second. Will you stand up for yourself the way you stood up against the men? Will you stand up against the trans men the same way and just say, this is not fair to women? But we couldn't get that pervasively anyway. People were afraid of looking intolerant, you
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Riley Gaines
know, and it's been the sheer silence from either silence or deflection or refusal to engage or oftentimes, as we even saw in the Supreme Court ruling, it was ultimately, I think it ended up. It was kind of confusing based on the breakdown, because it was not, I know, ruling that Title 9 should be interpreted as biological sex. But six, three, in regard to the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment and the three justices who voted against our rights to equal protection as women were all liberal women. And so it kind of proves the point that in our fight to equality, to use the buzzword that they love, in our fight to equality as women, the biggest obstacle that I think we as women face are liberal, liberal women.
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Brian Kilmeade
Here's Jennifer say not a liberal woman. Cut 52 on the other states, not
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Rebecca Heinrich
only is it unfair that depending on
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Riley Gaines
your zip code, you might have to
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Rebecca Heinrich
face unfairness, but as a matter of
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Riley Gaines
practicality, it doesn't work. If you're a really good athlete, you
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Rebecca Heinrich
compete across state lines from a very young age. I was in my first national competition at nine. I competed in New Jersey, but I competed against states all over the country.
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Riley Gaines
So how is this going to work if you're in a state like Tennessee
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Rebecca Heinrich
that protects women's sports, but you have to go up against a team in California that could field a boy.
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Riley Gaines
It doesn't work.
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Rebecca Heinrich
So it just. It just doesn't work practically. And it's certainly not fair to the girls in the 23 states that don't
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Brian Kilmeade
have laws and you. Same thing with swimming.
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Riley Gaines
Yeah, certainly that's the case. I competed all over, all over the country when I was. I mean, even prior to competing at the collegiate level. So what Jen said there is absolutely correct and it's an important distinction to be made because again, while we celebrate the win, it's really, really not, I don't think, as big as the headlines make it out to be because it's kind of like a may, not must. This ruling says that states may protect women's sports, but you don't have to. It's not required or mandatory, shall we say. Again, it's just not unconstitutional if you do so in the 27 states that have some sort of fairness in women's sports law, this is great. It's the win that we think it is. But in the other 23 states, which, you know, the ones, right, the usual bad actors, California, Washington, Oregon, Michigan, Maine, et cetera, et cetera, this really means nothing at all for them. And so what do I think we're going to see? I think we're going to continue to see defiance from those elected leaders, with leaders certainly being in air quotes in those states. I think we're going to keep seeing people like Gavin Newsom or Governor Walz attempt. I think what they believe they're doing is giving President Trump a middle finger by defying, openly defying his executive orders and federal law, that federal law being Title 9. But the reality is they're, they're not giving a middle finger to President Trump at all. They're giving a middle finger to every little girl in their state. So I think there's no reason to believe we won't continue to see that.
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Brian Kilmeade
I hate to say it, but you know the thing that could break those other states? An injury.
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Riley Gaines
That's it.
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Brian Kilmeade
So if an injury happens because some trans male feels like a woman and runs over on the soccer field, some other athlete, and God forbid they get hurt, then people say, well, how do you feel about that?
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Riley Gaines
Well, I, honestly, Brian, I don't even think that would be enough to get the other side to recant from their, their voting record. I think what it's going to take is real enforcement mechanisms from the top, from the federal government. So what does that mean? It means the Department of Justice may be working in collaboration with the Department of Education, going after these institutions and holding them accountable through, you know, monetary means, holding them accountable again for violating the law. Because that's what they're doing now.
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Brian Kilmeade
Rally Gaines, our guest. So rally on Capitol Hill, August Pfluger, the congressman from Texas, and his colleagues are demanding accountability from the commissioner of the WNBA for the multiple attacks against Caitlin Clark, a player, in his words, and I agree, transforming women's sports and inspiring a new generation of young girls to participate in sports. I'm putting the league on notice that if he keeps letting the violent targeting slide, they could find themselves facing the DOJ or EEOC crackdown for violating federal civilization, civil rights law. Do you feel as though this is something Congress should be involved with?
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Riley Gaines
Yeah, you know, it's hard. As a very principled conservative and someone who really truthfully not just the talking point, but really does believe in limited government. But what I think that we have seen, or again I'll speak personally, what I've seen for two years from Caitlin Clark is I don't think it can be described as anything other than repeated targeted violence. The amount of cheap shots and hard fouls and physical play beyond what is happening considered normal basketball. Eye pokes and hip checks and throat grabs, all targeting Caitlin Clark without the refs blowing their whistles. So look, I think this is a worthwhile use of their time and I don't think at this point we've heard a response from the commissioner, but I will be interested to see. I know they followed up this letter with a couple pretty key questions. I mean as simple as what are you actually doing to protect the your athletes? I'll be excited to see how the WNBA responds up until this point. Certainly what we've seen in the past few years. I don't think there's a league or an organization more dedicated to self imploding than the wnba. So I can't imagine a response that will bode well.
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Brian Kilmeade
As a soccer player, you always had to go into the towns, talk to the clubs, try to get them to come to the games with their parents. Just what you do if you're an emerging sport like lacrosse. Two great sports, right? But they're not football, they're not basketball. So what you do is you go in there, you send your players in, you pay them a little bit more, they make appearances. I have never seen a Liberty player doing a CYO or any type of game. They don't even know who they are. This way, 1,000 people show up at Madison Square Garden. It doesn't matter because they don't put the time in. They still get paid and sustained by the. By the NBA.
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Riley Gaines
Yeah, no, that's right. We were just talking prior to this too. We see it across the board, I think certainly. And probably one of the most obvious examples of this being the WNBA and the NBA. NBA. But the WNBA doesn't necessarily have to worry about their marketing or their ratings or their franchise because they subsidize everything from the NBA. And it's the same thing we've seen with our US Women's National Soccer Team and the US Men's National Soccer Team. I just saw an article where I think the US men's team, their earnings ended up being, I think 12.8 million, if I can recall correctly. And they have to split that in some way, shape or form with the U.S. women's National Team.
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Brian Kilmeade
Doesn't make sense because the revenue is not the same on the women's side. No, that was the problem when they talked about equal pay. The problem is revenue. I can't go to a New York City. If I'm a waiter in New York City, I am going to get paid more than a waiter in Kentucky, a small town of Kentucky. I don't deserve equal pay. Why? The prices are less, the tip tips are less. So I shouldn't be sharing. That's just the way it is. But we'll see how that goes. Lastly, on what you were talking about, Caitlin Clark. Here's their coach when she heard that the Congress is thinking about looking at the hard fouls on Caitlin Clark. Cut 53. Stephanie White.
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Concerning. Reports suggest that many of these attacks against Caitlin Clark may be racially motivated.
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What's your reaction to that?
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Riley Gaines
Our team made a statement yesterday, so
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Brian Kilmeade
you can find that statement.
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No, I understand that. I just mean as a coach, when you, you know, hear one of your players is being mentioned in a letter
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from members of Congress to the commissioner of the league, you know, what, how,
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how do you handle that?
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Riley Gaines
Again, that's not something we can control. We're not affiliated with those groups and
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Brian Kilmeade
we try to keep the main thing,
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Rebecca Heinrich
the main thing, and focus on the things that we can control.
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Riley Gaines
I mean, I, I just don't understand how hard it is to say, look, Caitlin Clark is our player and we, we stand with her. We want all players to be safe. I mean, it's really as simple as that. And again, if I, I hate to keep, keep comparing women's sports to men's sports, but think back to Harrison Bucker, right, of the Chiefs. And when he was involved in the controversy, he spoke at the commencement and he said, you know, he gave pro life talking points, points encouraging people to, to get married and have children and to, to grow in their faith. When the head coach of the Chiefs was asked about this, he defended his player. When other teammates were asked about this, they defended their teammate. Women just tend to be catty. I hate the reputation, I hate the stereotype. But they prove it to be true, as we saw here. I don't know why the coach can't say something as simple. NPR trained as Caitlin Clark is our player, we want her to be safe. As with the rest of the.
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Brian Kilmeade
I just Saw your nine month old daughter. I know how much children mean. You want a big family, obviously. It's beautiful. Your book is now out. 1, 2, 3. We are free. Why did you think this is the right time? And what do you want the message to be?
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Riley Gaines
Well, you did. My daughter's here in New York with me. She is the light of my life. When I think about her and the country that I want her to inherit, it is a more safe one, it's a more fair one. It's a more just one more moral, more righteous, more opportunistic, more prosperous nation. The education system now is designed to tell kids all of America's flaws and the hardships that we've gone through and certainly those are a part of America's history. But they leave out the American exceptionalism that I believe even still currently that we are living through and how it's only going to get better from here. That's what this book is. It's a little board book so for young children designed to teach them how to count to 10 as young as my daughter. The book is dedicated to our daughter. Her name's Margo. And so it was really special to be able to, on that dedication page, write this for her. Obviously she can't read it yet on her own, but to be able to one day give it to her, hopefully she, she knows, you know, what her mom has fought for. It's her. Quite frankly, she's everything I'm fighting for. So very exciting. You could find out more and get the book in a signed copy with myself I know Dr. Ben Carson also had a book in this collection and Kirk Cameron at 250 Riley250.com all right.
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Brian Kilmeade
Riley250.com all right, we go out and grab it. You're not going to be especially this year of 250.
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Riley Gaines
Yeah, come on.
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Brian Kilmeade
People want to have a reason to understand their exceptional and maybe push back against the schools that don't feel that way. Lastly, we've been covering over the last three days, even today, the whole Charlie Kirk trial and the assassin, he admitted to it three times. He's got a witness that says it, put it in text message that said it, has a handwritten note underneath the keyboard that said it. His parents turned him in, but yet conspiracy theories that said Egypt was involved, Israel's involved, Netanyahu was involved. Erica Kirk had him killed. Erica boyfriend had him killed. Andrew Colvin had him killed. Turning Point had him. All these things. And now all these podcasters and influencers have been running wild over the last year, does it end from what we saw over the last two days?
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Riley Gaines
You forgot the people in the maroon shirts, Brian. They were also involved. Honestly, I think the faction of people who are chronically online who believe these things or tout these talking points, there's nothing that you could persist, present to them evidence wise, like, like hard evidence. There's nothing you could present to them that would get them to say, you know, maybe I had this wrong. Maybe we should lay off Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, the mother of his children. Maybe she wasn't actually involved. There's nothing at this point. So knowing that and kind of coming to terms with that myself, because I found myself over the past 10 months, I would say irrationally angry, but, but saying that maybe it's rationally and justifiably angry at the people who, who tout these talking points, I don't think there's anything that you can say to them that will at this point get them to change their mind or to say maybe I was wrong.
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Brian Kilmeade
Well, the thing is they're not unintelligent.
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Riley Gaines
So they're not. Number two, which is even more concerning.
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Brian Kilmeade
Right. So if just some crazy like Alex Jones is actually not unintelligent either. But the Sandy Hook were actors he got sued for that, lost everything and he should have. Number two, we never landed on the moon that the President wasn't really shot at Butler, you know, we saw on the other side, we saw them try to lie to us and tell us a laptop wasn't real. So what? I'm not saying you should believe everything at face value and I understand why people are skeptical, but I think there's a point between skeptical and responsible.
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Riley Gaines
Totally.
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Brian Kilmeade
And we're at that point because we're about to start another election season.
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Riley Gaines
Totally.
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Brian Kilmeade
And then it's going to be Republican against Republican, Democratic against, against Democrat. And then you gotta wonder, well, what is real? What is not real?
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Riley Gaines
When it comes to the pre trial, I want it to be known like I had questions of my own that I wrestled with as well. Not any of the necessarily crazy conspiratorial, but did Tyler Robinson act alone? What other institutions ultimately contributed to the Woke mind virus that I certainly believe that he had contracted? Is it Reddit, is it schooling, is it public education? I want all of those places, places to be investigated and held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. So to act like those of us who again at this point allege, and I certainly believe in our justice system, innocent until proven guilty. But for those of Us who do believe that Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger. That doesn't mean that we're not seeking truth and justice like the other side. They think they're the only ones who want those things. I promise you, Charlie Kirk's bride wants truth and justice for Charlie.
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Brian Kilmeade
She had nothing to do with it. And it's a torture. Torture her in this.
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Riley Gaines
I've seen her behind the scenes and let me tell you, Brian, while she is so strong and I think she's doing an incredible job leading Turning Point, which is exactly what Charlie wanted. It's heartbreaking behind the scenes, especially when
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Brian Kilmeade
she knows it's heartbreaking because she knows them.
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Riley Gaines
Yeah.
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Brian Kilmeade
Riley Gaines. Congratulations. Go pick up her book. You're not going to regret it. Listen to her show, the Riley Kane show on Al Kick. And the name of the book is 1, 2, 3, we are free. And you can get it at Riley 2:15. Back in a moment.
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I think it's a good thing because I like the Americans.
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I think they are kind of hilarious as well. They are funny, so I like the way they are.
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Rebecca Heinrich
So I think it's just good.
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Brian Kilmeade
And it's been honestly on every single thing with the World cup so far here.
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It has been amazing.
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From games to the stadiums to everything. Team has been amazing. Training ground or where we train has been amazing. So I'm super happy and it's been a blessing. This is the World cup, has been. It's so rare. It's so rare to have an event where you go that was unbelievable. Every event, every venue, unbelievable. Transportation, really good. Communication really good. The games, unbelievably great. That was Erlan Holland of Norway. He's the 6 foot 4, I think, 210, 220 pound, maybe 230 pound forward with unbelievable flexibility and athleticism. He, they point out, is the issue with America. They said if he grew up in America, he'd be a tight end in football, they say in America, in Norway, they said, you're going to be my center forward. That's the difference. I don't think it's going to happen too much longer. Just like they said boxers, they said forwards in basketball used to be boxers. I understand things will change. I think it'll change. But this guy is an unbelievable person too. Go Norway.
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Rebecca Heinrich
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