Cade Injury Make East Wide Open? + Did Bucks Wait Too Long To Trade Giannis?

Summary

Brian Windhorst & The Hoop Collective

Episode: "Cade Injury Make East Wide Open? + Did Bucks Wait Too Long To Trade Giannis?"

Date: March 20, 2026
Host: Brian Windhorst (Wendy)
Guests: Anthony Slater, Vince Goodwill

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the immediate fallout from Cade Cunningham’s injury and its impact on the Eastern Conference playoff race, plus a wide-ranging debate on the future of Giannis Antetokounmpo and whether Milwaukee missed their optimal window to trade their franchise star. The crew also takes some entertaining NBA history detours and closes with a look at Jalen Brown’s unique leadership approach with the Celtics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Detroit Pistons: Cade Cunningham’s Collapsed Lung Injury

Segment Start: 05:39

• Injury Details & Timeline:

  • Cade Cunningham suffered a collapsed lung after a collision with Trey Johnson of the Wizards—no broken rib, which is positive ([06:13]).
  • Vince Goodwill summarizes: “The Pistons came out this afternoon and said he's going to be reevaluated in two weeks. ... If that's the case, that puts you at April 14th. The regular season will have concluded.” ([07:04])
  • Best hope: Back for Game 1 of the playoffs (April 18 onwards).

• Pistons’ Playoff Stability Concern:

  • Detroit’s #1 seed in the East is at risk; the schedule is “daunting.”
  • Vince: “There is not a player more valuable to his team in terms of shot creation amongst the really good teams in the league than Detroit is with Cade Cunningham.” ([08:44])
  • Anthony Slater suggests the #1 seed may be slightly overrated; dropping to #2, if healthy by mid-round, “not that big a deal” ([09:24]).

• Pistons’ Schedule Outlook:

  • Breaks down a tough slate: Wizards, Warriors, Lakers (red hot), Atlanta (potential first-round foe), New Orleans, Minnesota, OKC, Toronto, more ([11:12]-[13:02]).
  • Isaiah Stewart (Beef Stew) is also out with injury ([13:23]).

• Roster & Trade Moves:

  • Rotation players like Dennis Jenkins and Marcus Sasser will have to step up ([14:10]).
  • Goodwill and Slater debate whether the Jaden Ivey/Herder deal would have impacted the stretch run: “The whole Jaden Ivey thing, like, has been debated ad nauseam...” ([15:37]), and consensus is Ivey’s league-wide value was low.

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2. Big-Picture: Did the Bucks Wait Too Long With Giannis?

Segment Start: 18:19

• Giannis’ Injury/Availability Concerns:

  • Giannis has suffered his fifth injury and may not play again this season.
  • Windhorst: “It’s the fourth time in the last seven years he’s going to fail to play 65 games...” ([20:15])

• Re-Signing vs. Trading Giannis:

  • Giannis extension would be five years, $270 million.
  • Vince draws a Kevin Garnett parallel: “Kevin Garnett, in my opinion, left Minnesota two years too late because of everything that’s happened.” ([21:06])
  • Should Bucks risk extending Giannis deep into his 30s? Will it hamper a rebuild or flexible future?
  • Anthony Slater flips the question: “Among the many reasons, with Giannis on their team they’re relevant... But...what is happening?” ([25:41])

• Trade Market Dynamics:

  • “If you research these trades...those trades didn’t help those teams. It didn’t make Atlanta any better.” ([31:03], Windhorst, on relevance of star trades)
  • Vince: “If nothing else, if the past year has told us anything, is that sitting in the 10th or 11th spot in the draft lottery means you can get the number one pick...” ([31:47])

• Risks of Waiting:

  • Slater: Waiting to trade or extend carries the risk of injuries piling up, value diminishing: “…the more time that goes on, the more injuries that accumulate…the risk you run is not striking while the iron’s hot.” ([33:59])
  • Vince highlights CBA and salary matching as obstacles: “...finding a number to match that...not many teams…will have that type of capital...” ([34:36])

• Where Does Giannis’ Game Go from Here?

  • Goodwill: “How will his game that depends so much on athleticism…if he starts to lose a little bit of it, where is it?” ([36:37])

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3. NBA History, Executives, & Trade Dominoes

Segment: [01:08]-[05:19] and [25:41]-[27:47]

• The panel reminisces about Joe Dumars’ legendary Pistons front office stint (signing Billups, Wallace, trading Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton, etc.).
• Long trivia tangents about the Rasheed Wallace and Kevin Garnett trades, plus the long domino chain that led from a Richard Lewis trade all the way to Shai Gilgeous-Alexander in OKC ([27:01]-[27:32]).
• Lighthearted: “Six degrees of Kevin Bacon” with NBA trades.

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4. Celtics’ Jaylen Brown’s Leadership—Astrology, Numerology & Vibes

Segment Start: 39:07

• Windhorst reads Jaylen Brown’s much-discussed quote post-Celtics/Warriors game verbatim, about learning to lead by understanding teammates’ astrology signs, years in the Chinese zodiac, and numerology numbers ([41:12]).

  • “I learned a lot about each and every one of our guys, down to astrology…I learned the communication styles that work best for each individual…Like Nemei is Year of the Rabbit, so his communication is different from D. White, who is Year of the Dog.” ([41:12], Jalen Brown)
  • “Numerology is a lot more telling than anything else because numbers don’t lie. We got a bunch of analytics guys here, which frustrates me at times, but numerology is definitely very telling.” ([43:12], Jalen Brown)

• Roundtable jokes about their own zodiac signs, numerology, and “vibes.”

• Brown also (via Washburn’s post-game question) indicates he may not be seen around the Celtics much after retirement: “I'm not sure you'll ever see me once I'm retired.” ([45:05])

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5. Boston as Title Favorites?

Segment: [46:41]-[47:49]

• With the Pistons wounded, Cavs’ defense slipping, and Tatum looking sharp, Windhorst semi-seriously floats planning for Boston in June: “Are you saying make reservations in Boston for the second week of June?” ([47:32])
• Boston hotel rooms will be at a premium due to the World Cup, 250th US celebration, and Yankees-Red Sox series.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Cade’s injury:

“If he got a collapsed lung without breaking a rib, that is a good sign. He's still going to be in a lot of pain, but that is a good sign.”
– Brian Windhorst ([06:13])

On Pistons’ reliance on Cade:

“There is not a player more valuable to his team in terms of shot creation amongst the really good teams in the league than Detroit is with Cade Cunningham.”
– Vince Goodwill ([08:44])

On the value of the #1 seed:

“I also don't…I think oftentimes like the one seed down the stretch of these races is a little overrated…”
– Anthony Slater ([08:59])

On Joe Dumars’ hot executive streak:

“That was as hot a run for an executive in the modern era of the NBA.”
– Brian Windhorst ([02:16])

On Jalen Brown’s leadership style:

“I learned a lot about each and every one of our guys, down to astrology…”
– Jalen Brown via Windhorst ([41:12])

On Bucks’ Giannis conundrum:

“Do you feel good about extending Giannis five years, $270 million?”
– Brian Windhorst ([21:06])

“Kevin Garnett, in my opinion, left Minnesota two years too late because of everything that’s happened.”
– Vince Goodwill ([21:06])

On NBA trades value:

“You don’t trade your franchise cornerstone and get better. The only time that’s ever happened was Boston trading Garnett and Pierce to Prokhorov for the picks that became Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown…those types of trades rarely happen.”
– Vince Goodwill ([31:47])

On the risk of waiting:

“...the more time that goes on, the more injuries that accumulate...the risk you run is not striking while the iron’s hot.”
– Anthony Slater ([33:59])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Pistons history/memory lane: 01:08–05:19
• Cade Cunningham injury discussion & playoff outlook: 05:39–15:10
• Jaden Ivey/Herder trade reflection: 15:10–16:41
• Giannis’ injury & Bucks’ future debate: 18:19–36:53
• NBA history, trades & trivia: 01:08–05:19 & 25:41–27:47
• Jaylen Brown’s “numerology/astrology” leadership: 39:07–46:09
• Boston as Finals favorite & hotel planning escapades: 46:41–47:49

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Episode Tone & Style

• Conversational, insightful, with flashes of humor, trivia, and sidebars into NBA lore.
• Windhorst as the steady host, Goodwill as the NBA historian, Slater as the analytic counterweight.
• Frequent self-effacing humor and digressions amidst serious basketball analysis.

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For Listeners:

This episode combines rich analysis on the standing-shaking impact of Cade Cunningham’s sudden injury, a nuanced debate on maximizing value for generational stars like Giannis Antetokounmpo, and highly entertaining NBA historical trivia—all topped off with an unconventional look at leadership in the modern NBA, courtesy of Jalen Brown. If you want to know what’s roiling the East playoff race and eavesdrop on NBA insiders hashing out superstar dilemmas, don’t miss this one.

Transcript

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[Brian Windhorst]

Try it today at Starbucks. Hello, and welcome to WHO Collective Podcast. We talk about the NBA, which we're doing on Thursday afternoon while all you guys are watching college basketball. We're podcasting and keeping all these guys and our producers from watching, but that's the way it goes. Joining us from New York City, by the way.

[Anthony Slater]

Oh, you're watching. Yeah, look, the Duke game right to my right. I'll let y' all know as it's all right.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah, it'll be days later. It'll be, you know, hours later. They'll all know, but. Joining us from New York City is Vince Goodwill.

[Vince Goodwill]

What up, though? Wendy, how are you?

[Brian Windhorst]

Do you know, while you're in New York City, in your stomping grounds of Detroit, that is where Anthony Slater joins us from today. It's only appropriate that we have some Detroit voice here.

[Anthony Slater]

I had a very Vincent Goodwill day today. I went to the Pistons, I think, new facility. How, how, how recent is their practice facility? It's nice.

[Vince Goodwill]

About four or five years. Yeah.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah.

[Anthony Slater]

And Jerry Stackhouse, warriors assistant coach now, is in there working out. And I was joking with him, like, it wasn't this nice when you played here. Right. But we were also looking at all. They have all the retired jerseys up in the facility, or at least the numbers up there. And I was surprised to see Dennis Rodman. Maybe I'm just too young, and I just don't remember the Rodman era of Pistons well enough to know that it would be retired. But I was asking Steve Kerr about

[Vince Goodwill]

it, and that was the best. Rodman.

[Anthony Slater]

Surprised.

[Vince Goodwill]

That was the best version of Dennis Rodman that we've seen. You just remember the wildness. But Dennis Rodman and Detroit was the best defender we've ever seen in basketball because he could defend one through five. And then he became the best rebounder we've ever seen.

[Anthony Slater]

Yeah, Steve made that point when I said. I said, I was like, Rodman, really? He's like, you should have seen him as a defender at that time. And then his other point was winning. You get, you know, accolades come with winning. Because my other point was Stackhouse is over there working out in the weight room. I was like, oh, no, Stackhouse. I guess that shouldn't surprise me. He probably didn't have that type of career there.

[Vince Goodwill]

He only had, like five years. He played five years in Detroit. He didn't play there.

[Brian Windhorst]

Stackhouse. His biggest contribution to the Pistons was he was traded for Rip Hamilton.

[Anthony Slater]

It's a pretty big contribution. He was on the wall. Rip Hamilton winning.

[Brian Windhorst]

Joe Dumars, Vince. Joe Dumars went through the, the streak of transactions he made from 2002 to drafting Darko. It stopped like a brick wall then. But he went through a three year span of transactions. Not only the draft picks and the trades, but also the contracts that he traded. That was as hot of a run for an executive in the modern era of the NBA.

[Vince Goodwill]

Like remember what he started off with? He started off with Grant Hill leaving, going to Orlando and then he said, okay, I'm going to get Ben Wallace out.

[Brian Windhorst]

And then like he got Ben Wallace in a sign and trade for Grant Hill, hall of Famer.

[Vince Goodwill]

Yep. And then he drafted. He drafted Tayshawn Prince like 23rd.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah. In the 20s. He signed Chauncey Billups to a six year mid level contract. He Chauncey Billups like every year was making like $5 million and like leading them to 55 wins. Trades Jerry Stackhouse for Rip Hamilton, Pistons hall of Famer. Like, what else am I missing? Vince? Like drafted like Jason Maxiel in the second round.

[Vince Goodwill]

Traded for Rasheed Wallace at the trade deadline of 2004.

[Brian Windhorst]

That was a big one.

[Anthony Slater]

Yeah. One of the most impactful deadline deals ever, right?

[Vince Goodwill]

Ever, ever.

[Brian Windhorst]

I want to look up what was in that Rasheed Wallace trade.

[Vince Goodwill]

That was John, if I'm John Barry, Mike James. Lindsey Hunter went out and also wound up coming back. Lindsey Hunter a first round pick. I want to say. Remember Rasheed was rerouted from Portland to Atlanta where he spent one game with Steven Jackson, one game with Atlanta, had like 20 points and six rebounds or whatever it was against New Jersey. Didn't get traded to Detroit on the day of the deadline. So that was like a three way deal. And yeah, here it is.

[Brian Windhorst]

The Pistons received Rasheed Wallace and Mike James. The Hawks got Zelko, Robert Bresha, Jellicoebracha. Jellicoe Zelli, we forgot you. Rabacha. Bobby Sura.

[Vince Goodwill]

Oh yeah.

[Anthony Slater]

Bobby Sura recently.

[Brian Windhorst]

Is that right?

[Anthony Slater]

Different. Yeah. He's like a professional poker player, I think.

[Brian Windhorst]

Is that right? Okay. 2004. The Pistons pick in 2004 which I'm going to go look up who it was. The Celtics got Ch ch ch ch ch ch ch. Chucky Atkins as Mace used to call him Lindsey hunt. And a 2004 first round pick from Detroit. So Detroit did trade two firsts in that deal.

[Vince Goodwill]

You know that Atlanta, you Know, I think that Atlanta pick became. I think that Atlanta pick became future Detroit Piston Josh Smith.

[Brian Windhorst]

Is that right? Okay. Well, that was a good. That was a good piece.

[Anthony Slater]

I think it was a pretty good pick.

[Vince Goodwill]

Yeah, I think it was.

[Brian Windhorst]

But then Lindsey Hunter came back. He did the buyout and come back, right?

[Vince Goodwill]

Yep.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah. Anyway, where we are. And here we are walking down memory lane again.

[Anthony Slater]

Well, I can bring it to modern right now. Joe Dumars is paired with Troy Weaver in New Orleans. And Troy Weaver drafted much of the core that represents this newest era of business basketball, which I think we're going to talk about.

[Brian Windhorst]

He. He certainly drafted Cade Cunningham. I think he drafted Cade Cunningham. Yeah, he did.

[Anthony Slater]

Out of. On this college basketball week.

[Brian Windhorst]

I believe they call them the Pokes down yonder in Oklahoma State. They do, by the way. Did you. I'm not going to. We're too far off line. We got to focus on the. Now we talk about the NBA. I'm sorry. Jackson's got to get me back on track here. All right. Bummer about Cade Cunningham. So this play the other day, Cade's playing in Washington. I think it's on Tuesday night. And it's five minutes into the game. It's a loose ball. He's playing defense. I think he was playing defense.

[Vince Goodwill]

He was, yeah.

[Brian Windhorst]

He dies for the loose ball. And Trey Johnson, the rookie of the Wizards, like nothing malicious, he just goes for the loose ball and his knee hits Cade in the side, like, in the flank. And like, you saw it, and you're like, I bet that hurt. And Cade left the game, didn't play. You know, they said back spasms. And Vince, hot damn, it is a collapsed lung. Like, that is. Oh, man, that is a. I mean, look, there are obviously a lot of injuries that are worse, but that is no fun. Now, you've. You've been on TV talking about what the Pistons are saying, and I'll let you. You say that. But I will say that if they. If he got a collapsed lung without breaking a rib, that is a good sign. Is he's still going to be in a lot of pain, but that is a good sign. And they did not announce a rib injury when they announced this inj.

[Vince Goodwill]

Yeah, that's the critical thing that I heard this morning was that they're glad. Even though the news is pretty bad, they're glad that this was not a broken rib. Cause a broken rib means something catastrophic, essentially. Like, it's not like if you're playing football, you can just shoot it up or whatever it is. Like it would be almost the end of his season. Collapsed lung. Here's the timeline people. The Pistons came out this afternoon and said where he's going to be reevaluating in two weeks. Assuming this injury is mild. He's going to have the two weeks where you can't do anything right.

[Brian Windhorst]

Probably a fly bro.

[Vince Goodwill]

Right. No, he had to. They had to drive him home. They had to drive home from D.C. yeah, everything's painful. Right. So after the two week period, the hope is that for one week he will be able to engage in non basketball, non contact basketball activities. And then in the fourth week the hope is that he will be able to participate in contact basketball activities to get his win back, to figure things out. If that's the case, that puts you at April 14th. The regular season will have concluded. I think it's April 13th. It's the final day at least for Detroit. The NBA playoffs begin April 18, that next Saturday, which is an extra four or five days because of the playing and everything else. So best case scenario for this, they're hoping that he will be back for Game 1, depending on if that's Saturday or Sunday. How the NBA schedules it's. And now the concern is just will the Pistons hold on to the number one seed in the meantime? Because they have nothing in nobody that can take the place of what Cade Cunningham does. Wendy, there is not a player more valuable to his team.

[Brian Windhorst]

That's right.

[Vince Goodwill]

In terms of shot creation amongst the really good teams in the league than Detroit is with Cade Cunningham. So you can't replace that. And your only hope is that you don't capsize for the last 14 games of the season, which could very well happen anyway.

[Anthony Slater]

Also I also don't. I think oftentimes like the one seed down the stretch of these races is a little overrated. You know, I mean I think, I think that we're going to. It's like the drama of the moment. Oklahoma City and San Antonio, we felt like that might be a thing in the last month. We'll see. It still could be, but also like if they fell to the two seed and I think that's about as far as they're going to fall. I don't think the Knicks, I think are five back and they already have the tiebreaker. I don't think the Knicks will gain.

[Brian Windhorst]

They got the tie. They got the tiebreaker on the Knicks. That I can verify.

[Anthony Slater]

That should be like a three game tiebreake.

[Brian Windhorst]

Have to look it up.

[Anthony Slater]

Yes. So the furthest they'll probably fall to is till 2. And if you look at, you know, you don't know who's going to be a tougher matchup between seven and eight because it's all a bunch of jumbled teams down there who all, by the way, look dangerous. And that, that would, is what I would say is the bigger danger here is that if he's either limited or unavailable to start the first round, like it's not a walk over if you're the one seed or if you're the two seed, sure, you know, you'd like to have home court throughout the east playoffs, but also at the same time, if you just guarantee like a healthy Kate Cunningham and you know, by mid. I don't think it's that big a deal if, if a one, two, you know, materializes that, oh, they have to win one game in Boston in a playoff series.

[Brian Windhorst]

I will look at their schedule here, Vince.

[Vince Goodwill]

It's pretty daunting. Quietly.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah, I agree.

[Anthony Slater]

Two now aren't too bad. I know that.

[Brian Windhorst]

All right, so here for one of them. All right, you're waiting on them in Detroit right there. So they play the Wizards tonight. We're doing this pod on Thursday afternoon. Look, Jalen Duran had 36 and 12 the other night. Obviously, Bam had 83.

[Anthony Slater]

Porzingis had 30 and like Porzingis had 30 against the Wizards, by the way. That's what we're saying.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah. If I were the Pistons, I would suggest getting it done tonight just to bank that win. That is Golden State at home. The warriors have lost what, eight of

[Anthony Slater]

nine, six of seven.

[Brian Windhorst]

Six of seven. All right. I don't want to get ahead of myself.

[Anthony Slater]

Yeah. And I'm waiting to see. I should know soon, probably in the next 10 minutes on their in because that's the front side of a back to back. And then the previous one, they rested a bunch of guys on the front side to go after the backside. I could see without Cade, they're playing at Atlanta on Saturday. I could see the warriors maybe going after the Detroit game, but I should know soon.

[Brian Windhorst]

Okay, so that's so Washington, Golden State. Then on Monday they got the Lakers.

[Vince Goodwill]

Red hot.

[Brian Windhorst]

Lakers who, who are hot. I don't know if you heard, you saw ESPN at all in the last seven to 10 years. Then they play Atlanta at home. Now Atlanta, red hot, by the way. Like that's a potential first round matchup, I might point out. Then Thursday they played New Orleans, which New Orleans is 14 and 10 their last 24 games as we're recording this.

[Anthony Slater]

Joe Dubois.

[Brian Windhorst]

No incentive to lose James Borrego is making a bid to keep that job. Stop playing the rookies as much as either attacking the basket like crazy. We see you James Borrego. We're not going to spend a whole lot of time talking about the Pelicans but I'm just going to say we see you James Borrego and the Pelicans who have no incentive to give up and they are not giving up. That's no easy game at Minnesota. You know I don't know if ant will be back by then. It's could go either way. But still a road game team Minnesota

[Vince Goodwill]

and remember they got into it last year. Remember they got into the big brouhaha in Minneapolis this time last year. So that will have a little extra heat as they say in the wrestling world.

[Brian Windhorst]

Then after at Minnesota at Oklahoma City. Don't like their chances there. Sorry. Then against Toronto at home. Toronto plays better on the road than they do at home. So a playoff team then versus Minnesota at home. I don't know if ants going to be back. Same thing applies Then they go on the then they play for their last five on the road at Philly at Orlando. Two teams that could need to win those games. Right now Orlando is fighting to stay out of the play in Milwaukee at home. We'll talk about the Bucks later. You'd like to see if you can get that one that's on ESPN the last week of the season and then they finish at Charlotte at Indiana. Charlotte could be in a seating battle in Indiana's tanking. That's not easy. It's a four game lead in the loss column but it's not easy.

[Anthony Slater]

And the tiebreaker they do have the tiebreaker over the Celtics important there that adds in a and also I'll do this quick but these are some of the games the Celtics have Timberwolves, Thunder 2 Hawks games, 2 Charlotte games, Knicks, Orlando on the last day of the regular season, Toronto. They have a couple tank mix in there but it's about an even schedule down the stretch.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah. Yeah. So look also beef stew is out. Isaiah Stewart is out for at least the next week. Vince with the calf injury which may be longer, I don't know. So look into every season some rain must fall. That is another one of my sayings and I'm sure you're getting tired of them by now.

[Anthony Slater]

It actually sounds like a beautiful poem to me.

[Brian Windhorst]

Thank you. Thank you, Anthony. So all right so that's where we're at with Detroit. Good opportunity for Dennis Jenkins like you know Danis Jenkins Might end up playing key minutes in the playoffs. Vince, like he's going to get an opportunity to play a bunch of important minutes against some good teams here. I'm not saying it's a positive development, but, you know, nothing is wasted in the NBA.

[Vince Goodwill]

No Danish, Jenkins, Marcus Sasser, like you, once again, like, those guys can be productive, right? But I don't think there's no way you can replicate what Cade does. And here's the other thing, too. They weren't playing well before Cade Cunningham got hurt. Like, that's the untold thing about this. Cade was picking up Trey Johnson full court to try to get his team going. That was supposed to be Asar Thompson picking up Trey Johnson full court. And Cade said, hey, we need a spark. We're playing the Wizards two nights in a row. And then the worst possible thing happened. And now it takes them. In all likelihood, unless something miraculous happens, out of MVP consideration, all NBA and everything else, the 65 game stuff like, that's just a byproduct of it, but it puts a damper on a very positive season. And I'll say this. If you have the number one seed from soup to nuts, and then you lose it on the back end, whether it's injury or something else, that doesn't make anybody feel good.

[Anthony Slater]

Should this cast a different light on the Jaden Ivy Herder trade? And, I mean, could they, you know, that. It depends, I'm sure, on what you think of Ivy. And right now he's not even playing in Chicago, right. So I don't know. I mean, maybe he wouldn't have helped that much. Jenkins had kind of leaped him. It seemed at least like some of the playmaker stuff. But seems like Herder's not doing a ton for them. And Ivey. This could be a stretch where maybe Ivey could have stretched his legs.

[Vince Goodwill]

It's. It's funky. The whole Jaden Ivy thing, like, has been debated ad nauseam. I think the fact of the matter is the fact that you traded him for Kevin Herder, who's having a career worst year from 3 as opposed to a career career best year from 3. Let you know what Ivey's value was around the league by that point. Like, I know they started engaging with Sacramento on a deal, and that was around the time that Sacramento was about to trade Dennis Schroeder. And who was the other kid? Why am I drawing a blank?

[Brian Windhorst]

Keone Ellis.

[Vince Goodwill]

Keone Ellis to Cleveland. But they were so far down the road that there was no point in really engaging. So Detroit wound up turning to Chicago and I've asked the question, why not a Kobe White, why not Ayo Dsumu? You know those guys being, those guys being moved like those were a better players. But it's clear that the value of what Jay Nivey was around the league wasn't as high and I don't know if he was going to turn things around here this season. That's why Jay N Ivey should sue Cole Anthony for lost wages, pain and suffering.

[Brian Windhorst]

Well, I'll just say that he if he's back by the playoffs and he's okay by the playoffs, then this will just be a forgotten thing other than that area on his back because I'm sure it is sore as hell and I'm sure he is not feeling great about things right now. But it could be worse and so we'll see what happens.

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[Vince Goodwill]

I know where you're going with this.

[Anthony Slater]

That was a nasty fall, by the

[Brian Windhorst]

way, when he hurt his knee. Yeah, yeah, I know. I. Doc like, Doc like, diagnosed it. You know, last time around, Giannis gave him his own self diagnosis. He's like, yeah, I haven't had an mri, but it's a cat. It's a calf strain. It's probably four to six weeks. And then doc came like two days later. He goes, giannis diagnosed it correctly. So he said, Janice said after the game the other night, he goes, yeah, I'm not getting an mri. And doc's like, looked like a hyperextension to me. And sure enough, that's what it was. So the doc. The Bucks are having a struggled season, but their, their diagnosis of injuries is right on point. Five years to 70. Vince, is his contract extension the pathway for the Bucks to keep Giannis regardless of what anybody wants to Say is that you offer him that extension. You get him to sign that extension. Do you feel good about extending Giannis five years? 270 million.

[Vince Goodwill]

That's a great question. Because you know the name that pops up for me when thinking about Giannis and the Runway that he's already had with the Milwaukee Bucks, minus, of course, the championship. Kevin Garnett spent a lot of years holding up that Minnesota Timberwolves franchise, and then it wound up sort of. It never capsized, right? But they wound up having, like, 41. 41 missing the playoffs, like, after he won MVP in 04. I want to say they never got back to the playoff the next three years. So then when balls.

[Brian Windhorst]

They might have got the playoffs, they never got out of the first round. I know that.

[Vince Goodwill]

They only got out of the first round the one time, which was the MVP year. And so when KG got to Boston, there was only so much tread left on his tires. Like, they won in 09. It was 08. Excuse me. And it was a great year. And then in 09, the decline starts because he tears his knee in Utah. I want to say he misses the rest of that year. He's back the next year, but he looks like not a shell of himself, but a diminished version of himself. They wind up getting the trip to the finals out of it. But Kevin Garnett, in my opinion, left Minnesota two years too late because of everything that's happened.

[Brian Windhorst]

The question is, age 31, by the way. He went to Boston at age 31.

[Vince Goodwill]

Are we going to be asking ourselves with Giannis doing this? Should I, should not dance with the Bucks for the past few years? Are we going to be looking at this a few years from now and saying, man, Giannis waited too long because he only has so many years.

[Brian Windhorst]

And by the way, I'm sorry to interrupt you. Go ahead. You are correct. He never went back to the playoffs with. With the Timberwolves.

[Anthony Slater]

Could we also.

[Vince Goodwill]

I'm good on trivia. I'm good on trivia. Wendy.

[Brian Windhorst]

Oh, yeah. I saw you the other day on Get Up. You pulled something out your. You know where on Trivia. And he. You know what he did? Slater. So Hembo is, you know, he's. He works on the Get up show, and he comes up with the trivia questions and like, look, I'm Just be honest with you. I kiss his ass because when I want trivia, I want him to give me a question. I got a chance to get. I don't want to be embarrassed on national television. I'm not good at Trivia. Well, Vince pulled out some answer. He pulled out Kenny. I don't remember what the question was, but he pulled Kenny Anderson.

[Vince Goodwill]

It was. I'll get you the question. The question was, who was the one freshman to score 25 points in three NCAA tournament games? And I was thinking, like, Carmelo, but I'm like, that's too easy. And then we had just finished talking about Darius Acup. I'm like, oh, maybe it's a guard. Or maybe he's from Detroit. It's Chris Webber. I'm like, no, Chris Webber didn't do that. So now I said, guard. Lethal Weapon 3, Kenny Anderson. And I was guessing my ass off, and it happened to be correct.

[Anthony Slater]

That's kind of in your wheelhouse, though, of, like, era sport.

[Brian Windhorst]

I mean, I do not remember Kenny Anderson in the. In the ncaa.

[Vince Goodwill]

Freaky.

[Brian Windhorst]

I remember freaky.

[Anthony Slater]

That's why I said Vinnie's wheelhouse.

[Brian Windhorst]

Okay, well, fair, fair. So then he danced on him. He danced on Hembo.

[Anthony Slater]

And you think that's a risk? That's a question.

[Brian Windhorst]

I think he got lost in the moment and is going to pay the price later on is what I think.

[Vince Goodwill]

I got two questions on Himbo. I answered the NFL question, right for Graziano. That's when I danced on him. I came out from the back, I was done for the day, and they said, get Vinnie out, because they knew what the answer is.

[Anthony Slater]

You're going to get, like, 1970.

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[Vince Goodwill]

It's going to be terrible. It's going to be terrible from now on. I'm never going to get an answer right.

[Anthony Slater]

Batting average in 1979 or something.

[Brian Windhorst]

No, he's going to get NBA, because that's what he'll do. But he'll get, like, you know, some answer where it was like, the Syracuse Nationals in 1951. That's what he's going to get.

[Vince Goodwill]

It's going to be no fun. It's going to be no fun.

[Brian Windhorst]

But you always have that moment where you danced on him. I'll give you that.

[Anthony Slater]

Vinnie said something to wrap us back to the topic. You know, he said, are we a couple of years from now going to be asking if. If Giannis waited too long? Which I'm sure will be the topic most discussed. You know, you mentioned, like, the Garnett example did, but also, like, is Milwaukee waiting too long? And I think that's part of what Brian was. You know, if they're the one, like, should they offer the 5 to 70? Shouldn't they have already just jumped at the Opportunity. Should they jump this summer prior to even getting an answer from Giannis on that? Because among the many reasons, with Giannis on their team, they're irrelevant. Right? You know, they shut it or, you know, they're having this issue over should they shut him down? Should they not? It's not like he's leading them to winning when he's on the court. Right now they're 2 and 9 in their last 11. It's like, are they going to have a.

[Brian Windhorst]

Do you want to know? Since we. Since we walked down the path of the Rasheed Wallace trade, do you want to know what. What the Kevin Garnett Trade was in 2007? How about that for trivia, Vinny?

[Vince Goodwill]

Was that out? Was that Al Jefferson?

[Brian Windhorst]

Yep. Al Jefferson. There was six players, let's see, one, two, three, five players and two. Two picks. I'll just tell you two first round picks. I'll tell you who the picks became in a minute, but Al Jefferson was sort of the centerpiece.

[Vince Goodwill]

Was it Gerald Green?

[Brian Windhorst]

Gerald Green, Good job. He's. He's. I'm not gonna mess with this guy Slater. I mean, this guy's. He's. The trade was as follows. Two Boston, Kevin Garnett. Two, Minnesota, Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes.

[Anthony Slater]

Ryan Gomes,

[Brian Windhorst]

former Celtic Lobster.

[Anthony Slater]

Covered him in Oklahoma City. Former. Few teams for sure.

[Brian Windhorst]

Sebastian Telfair over him in Oklahoma City.

[Anthony Slater]

Former.

[Brian Windhorst]

Look at you.

[Vince Goodwill]

Wow.

[Brian Windhorst]

Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff and two first round picks that became Wayne Ellington and Steph Curry. No, just kidding. Johnny Flynn could have played. If it was Steph Curry, then that would have been. It would have been a different trade.

[Vince Goodwill]

Wow, what a time.

[Anthony Slater]

They also traded for Ray Allen that summer for the pick that became Vinnie.

[Vince Goodwill]

Jeff Green.

[Anthony Slater]

Jeff Green. He's correct.

[Brian Windhorst]

That's right, Uncle Jeff.

[Vince Goodwill]

But that happened. That happened on draft night, if I remember correctly.

[Anthony Slater]

Yeah. I mean, that was one of Sam Presti, I think 30, 31 at the time. His first big moves, including. At the same time, he also signed and traded Richard Lewis to Orlando. And then that created a domino effect. That has created the shade. You guys know that domino effect, right? I hope the domino effect. Kurt Thomas and Kurt Thomas in the pick becomes the pick. That's a Baca. A Baca becomes Sabonis and Oladipo. Sabonis and Oladipo become Paul George. Paul George becomes Shay.

[Brian Windhorst]

Shay Gillis Alexander. Wow. But you. But you could do that with, you know, like I see people.

[Anthony Slater]

That's the most legendary. That is a pretty legendary one, though.

[Brian Windhorst]

That's true. But you Can. This is like six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

[Anthony Slater]

You're right. That one you can really direct through.

[Brian Windhorst]

No, he didn't swindle Steve Kerr. He took advantage of Steve Kerr in order to cut money of Robert Sarver.

[Anthony Slater]

I should have said.

[Vince Goodwill]

There you go. There you go.

[Brian Windhorst]

With all due respect to Steve as the gm, I mean, they sold. They sold the rights to Rajon Rondo.

[Anthony Slater]

Nobody is more critical of Steve Kerr as a GM than Steve Kerr.

[Brian Windhorst]

By the way, for whatever you want to say about Steve Kerr, he won an Oscar last week.

[Anthony Slater]

Correct.

[Brian Windhorst]

You know, if you want. You want to criticize certain coaching decisions or certain, you know, players that he doesn't treated well or made mistakes on. Of course, the guy had how many rings as a player? 5 rings as a player. Right. Played for Phil Jackson, played for Gregg Popovich, has four rings as a head coach. Two gold medals. Right. Or maybe one is an assistant.

[Vince Goodwill]

So one is an assistant. Yeah.

[Anthony Slater]

Right.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah. Two gold medals. Okay. Yeah.

[Anthony Slater]

Don't coaches, like, you know better than me. Do coaches, like, not get actual gold medals, though?

[Brian Windhorst]

They do not. I don't.

[Anthony Slater]

Yeah.

[Brian Windhorst]

So, I mean, kind of. I don't know if he does, but I don't know if he, you know, I don't know if they, like, they get gold medals and, like, say. I don't. I don't know that. But, you know, he was standing there when they. They got the gold medals. I mean, that counts for something. And last week he won an Oscar.

[Anthony Slater]

You know what else last week? I mean, the Oscar. But also then this speaks to what you're talking about. He won his 600th game as a coach this week.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah.

[Anthony Slater]

Same night as the Oscar, I believe. And he became only the second person ever to win 600 games as a player and as a coach. Don Nelson, I believe that's the stat I saw. Don Nelson was the other.

[Brian Windhorst]

That would have been a good trivia question. Wow, man.

[Anthony Slater]

That was my one. Vinny wouldn't have got that.

[Vince Goodwill]

I would not.

[Brian Windhorst]

You know, as far as a life, you know, his father was assassinated when he was a teenager, I believe was a teenager. And, you know, what was it, six, seven years ago, Whatever. Eight years ago, he had back surgery that basically failed and caused him to be debilitated for years. He's still not 100%. So this is a guy who's had. He had the highest of the highs and some of the lowest of the lows. Like, talk about a life. And tomorrow he coaches against the Pistons, Vince. That's right. Anyway, so that's almost like you and

[Vince Goodwill]

your lawyer thing last week. Wendy, Benny, are you going to need a lawyer? You don't. I don't think Slater was around. Slater was around for that one. Oh, you. Yeah.

[Brian Windhorst]

All I'm going to tell you is this. And I. And I. And I hate teasing people like this, but I'm sorry, I can't help it. And Jackson can back me up. When we turned the cameras off with Alex Spiro and he started talking lawyer stuff, that's when it got interesting. But look, I can only do what I can do. All right, well, basically, the point is here, you know. You know, you have the question about what to do with Giannis. Do you trade him or do you extend him? Okay. Giannis obviously has to say, I want the extension. If Giannis says, I want the extension, are you giving it to him? I don't see how they don't. I don't see how they don't. So. But I would say that.

[Anthony Slater]

Can I ask you a question? When you say, I don't see how they don't, is that you just saying, I know how the Bucks operate. I know how they think. I know their organizational priorities. So I believe that they will, because then I would probably agree. Do you think that they should, though?

[Brian Windhorst]

How can they not, Vince? I don't know how they can't.

[Anthony Slater]

What's.

[Brian Windhorst]

I mean, what's on the table for them?

[Anthony Slater]

What type of monster?

[Brian Windhorst]

If they research this trade, if they research these trades, they saw what Rasheed Wallace went for, saw what Kevin Garnett went for. Like, you know, those trades didn't help those teams. It didn't make Atlanta any better.

[Anthony Slater]

See all something, though, where are they going with Giannis right now? What is happening?

[Brian Windhorst]

That's the question. Look, in February, when he had his third calf injury of the year, they probably, at that point should have said, you're not. You're done playing. And instead of going 500 or actually, they won a bunch of games and now they're entrapped in 10th place. Maybe they would be up there. We talked about it then. And so they brought Giannis back and he got hurt again. And now they're, you know, in a stare down with him.

[Vince Goodwill]

Well, the question I have is less about what are they going to do with him, because we know the Bucs would be largely irrelevant without Giannis. Like, you don't trade your franchise cornerstone and get better. Like, the only time that's ever happened was Boston trading Garnett and Pierce to Mikhail Prokhorov for the picks that became Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, blah, blah, blah. Those types of trades rarely happen for me. If you are signing Giannis to that deal or if Giannis accepts the deal, then in my book, it takes the pressure off of me to try to retool as fast as I can. If nothing else, if the past year has told us anything, is that sitting in the 10th spot or 11th spot in the draft lottery means you can get the number one pick, means you can elbow your way into the top four. So there's no guarantee that. Just because they are where they are does not mean that some lottery hijinks will happen in Chicago in a couple of. In what, two months. Was that May 19, May 20, somewhere around there? I think we have to find out where the Bucks will be picking before we ask ourselves, okay, do they have to trade him? Do they have to extend him? Because that.

[Brian Windhorst]

That's fair.

[Vince Goodwill]

That's an unknown element to this entire equation right now.

[Anthony Slater]

But I guess the. The, you know, if you do get him to sign the extension, okay, well, then you have so much time to either rebuild around them or you can trade them later. You hold so much more leverage, theoretically. But also, and I think this is what Brian's getting to. If what you had at the deadline and what you should still have this summer is a market to trade him for a huge package. Right. They were able to kind of spit at the warriors idea of the four firsts. I'm not sure if you signed him to five for 270. Is that what you said it was? And then a year from now, if the injuries accumulate or whatever, like, I'm not. It might turn into an Anthony Davis, a trade. I'm not saying it's going to be that, you know, low of value, but don't you run the risk of that if you sign him to this monster extension that you're talking about, and. And this injuries and age pile up.

[Brian Windhorst]

To be clear, whoever trades for him is going to have this issue. And who's ever going to trade for him if they trade a lot of stuff, like, if the warriors had gotten him for the four firsts, they're probably signing him to that extension, don't you think?

[Anthony Slater]

For sure. I'm just saying. And I think the, you know, the more time that goes on, the more injuries that accumulate. Like. Like the risk you run is not striking while the iron's hot. I believe the iron was pretty dang hot at the deadline. Remember, we spent a few podcasts early in the season discussing, like, man, how good of a trade could you theoretically get for honest. But the reality is, by deadline time, they could have got really, in this age of stars being very hard to trade, they could have got a monster package. I think understandably said, hey, let's wait till the summer, but at some point, the return may diminish. And I think part of that is, could be once the extension kicks in.

[Vince Goodwill]

Well, the part of it is, once the extension kicks in, he's harder to trade because the map, the number is so massive. And in this era where you got to go dollar for dollar, especially if you're anywhere near a first apron, second apron situation or whatever it is, the picks won't just get it done. You got to go big for big. And I don't know how many salaries out there in the NBA that if, if it's five for 270, what's that an average of $55 million a year? But the, if the number might start off somewhere around like, what, 51 or 52 or something, you know what I mean? Like finding a number to match that. If you decide in year two that you want to get off of Giannis and everything else and ship that four years and 210 million left, you gotta find a match for that as opposed to just value. You gotta find. There's not many teams that will have that type of capital left, that type of salary on the books that can absorb a Giannis and still have something left that'll make it palatable.

[Brian Windhorst]

Well, and look, we gotta see how this season ends between the two of them, the two sides. If Giannis is, you know, basically saying, I want to play.

[Vince Goodwill]

You know, what if Yanis does this on the way out of the practice facility?

[Brian Windhorst]

He does, he gives him the boo, the thumbs down. Listen, the team controls the inactive report. You can say whatever you want. The team controls the inactive report. They turn it in. So. But it's not, just put it this way, the. This whole season from cutting Dame and then signing Miles Turner through five injuries, through the, you know, half hearted, you know, I don't even know what you want to call the way they've handled the second half of the season. They're trying to win, you know, but not that well. They've had some moments, but I don't even know what you say.

[Anthony Slater]

Isn't that the biggest problem in this whole conversation, though? It's like if they're protecting the honest era, like, where is it going? That's my whole thing.

[Brian Windhorst]

Well, but that was the case months ago and that was the case weeks ago. I agree. That's all right.

[Anthony Slater]

Okay. Yeah.

[Vince Goodwill]

And where does Giannis's game go from here? Is also the question. Not just help. How will his game that depends so much on athleticism, activity and that extra effort. If he starts to lose a little bit of it, where is it?

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[Brian Windhorst]

All right Slater, you were in Boston on Wednesday night. Warriors at Celtics. You went to see Jaylen Brown's post game interview. He I am going to read you Jaylen Brown's quotes. I know that you heard them, but I've got them right in front of me so that I will read them.

[Anthony Slater]

I will give a quick context. Prior to that, Joe Missoula gave a quote pregame about his, you know, Jaylen Brown's improved leadership and improved ability. I think, you know, especially with Tatum coming back in the fold, his approved ability this year to like reach several teammates. So that was a topic Postgame. He scores 32, they win. And you know, the Boston media brought the idea of hey, your leadership skills have improved according to Joe. What's your perspective on that?

[Brian Windhorst]

Vince, have you heard these quotes yet? Because I do not think that they have gotten appropriate amount of attention in the news cycle considering that it's the NCAA tournament, WNBA getting a labor deal. Have you heard these quotes yet?

[Vince Goodwill]

I have seen a portion of the quotes so I know where you're going.

[Brian Windhorst]

Okay. All right. I think I need to read them in relative the full thing just to get the entire experience. I learned they were asking about his leadership improving. I learned a lot about each and every one of our guys, down to astrology. I learned the communication styles that work best for each individual and started utilizing that when I speak to each and every guy. Like Neemi Nemi Esqueda. He's Year of the Rabbit, so his communication is different from D. White, who is Year of the Dog. So his communication style is different. Hugo Gonzalez is also a dog. Peyton is a tiger. JT is a tiger. Ron is a dragon. Joe's a dragon. Missoula, you're not kidding. Nicola, he's new to our team. He's Year of the Horse. It's Year of the Horse right now. Each of those guys have different communication styles and you can go into numerology as well. Like Sam is a five, I'm also a five. So you know, different breakdowns. And then you can also go into like star signs, JT's a Pisces, ET cetera. I learned all that different type of stuff and I was able to communicate with guys in different ways.

[Anthony Slater]

I'm into I. So I've now seen these quotes delivered twice in about 24 hours. Really? Less than that. About 18 hours.

[Brian Windhorst]

Who did it better, Jalen or me?

[Anthony Slater]

I think the deadpan. I mean you both kind of have your own deadpan style.

[Brian Windhorst]

Thank you. I don't know any of your signs. I'm sorry.

[Anthony Slater]

It seems I read a book and

[Vince Goodwill]

Then now I'm a Sagittarius.

[Anthony Slater]

Wendy, this is Brian Windhorst. Like, Jalen Brown wrote a biography, and Ryan Windhorse is the audio version of it. It's quite something. So, yes, it was numerology, astrology in the year of the Horse and all that. And then at one point, he was talking about. Somebody asked him specifically about numerology, and he started getting into the. Well, it's numbers based. And then he said it's kind of like analytics. I don't know if you have the full transcript. But then he took a dig at analytics, the analytics community in there. But then while admitting that he's kind of using numbers himself now. Very different analytics and numerology, but it was a presser for sure.

[Brian Windhorst]

I just looked it up. I'm also year of the horse. Oh, Vince, what year were you born?

[Vince Goodwill]

1985.

[Brian Windhorst]

I won't tell any women. Okay?

[Vince Goodwill]

Black don't crack, Wendy. You ain't got to worry about that, all right?

[Brian Windhorst]

Oh, year of the rat.

[Anthony Slater]

Oh, man.

[Brian Windhorst]

We'll do your numerology later, Slater.

[Anthony Slater]

1990.

[Brian Windhorst]

He's a youngin.

[Vince Goodwill]

Good grief.

[Brian Windhorst]

Oh, year of the horse. I knew Slater and I vibed, okay? Slater and I vibed. Year of the horse. Yeah. So I don't know what that means, Vince, but I look at you in a different light.

[Vince Goodwill]

I ain't worried about it. I am a Sagittarius, and I have family members who are all into the numerology, so I know a little bit about that, too. Just a little bit. Nothing I would not share on air.

[Anthony Slater]

Like, there's matches between. Like, our son is Aries, she's a Leo, and apparently they match fire. I don't know. People are really.

[Vince Goodwill]

They're both fire signs. Yeah, yeah, they're both fire signs.

[Brian Windhorst]

Here's what he was asked about, numerology, and here's what Jalen explained. Numerology is the combination of your numbers, like your birthday. Each letter of your name adds up to a certain number. And numerology is a lot more telling than anything else because numbers don't lie.

[Anthony Slater]

Give me the any. And he takes a small dig at the analytics humanity here

[Brian Windhorst]

because numbers don't lie. We got a bunch of analytics guys here, which frustrates me at times, but. But numerology is definitely very telling.

[Anthony Slater]

That was my favorite part of it. It was like he was realizing he was very numbers based and realized that wasn't his. Like, his brand is like, no, I'm not.

[Brian Windhorst]

But he contradict. He contradicted himself in the. In what? In the middle of a sentence? Numbers don't lie. Except for you analytics guys. Then they lie.

[Vince Goodwill]

Him and Kylie was my favorite part so much. Him and Kyrie are so much more alike. And I say that not as a dig at either one of them, but there's so much more beneath the surface. And they're deep, like legitimate deep thinkers. And they think of all of these things and they're just curious minds. And if you get them on the right day and if you poke them on the right subject, you'll get something like that. And I'm not suppressed about Jalen Brock. He's just. Robert.

[Anthony Slater]

What I was going to say Robert Parish was at the game, got a huge ovation. Like, standing O length looks pretty good, by the way. Looked really good. And Gary Washburn asked. Jalen asked both Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum post game, like, hey, you know, do you have envisions, you know, yourself 20 years from now, basically, you know, getting the standing ovation, waving to the crowd, or Jason Tatum gave the, you know, the very appreciative diplomatic response of like, yes, he's been at all these Paul Pierce jersey retirements. Jaylen Brown basically was like, I'm not sure you'll ever see me once I'm retired. He was like, I don't know.

[Brian Windhorst]

That's honest. Yeah, it depends on what phase of the moon is in. Jackson is Year of the Ox.

[Anthony Slater]

So he's like, hard headed and like, I don't know.

[Brian Windhorst]

I don't know what any of that means. I'm just telling you, you're the rat.

[Vince Goodwill]

I got to look that up. Is that like master splinter type rat or.

[Brian Windhorst]

The most important characteristic of the Ox is their honesty. Okay, is Jackson being honest about the state of Syracuse basketball? I'm not sure. For the Year of the Horse, me and Slater, they are often described as energetic, outgoing and friendly with the love of freedom and adventure.

[Anthony Slater]

Can we.

[Brian Windhorst]

I don't think that's me.

[Anthony Slater]

Can I ask you Year of the Rats description? I'm curious if Vinny's about to do it.

[Brian Windhorst]

It's the first zodiac sign in the Chinese zodiac cycle. They are characterized as clever, I'll give you that. Charming, ambitious, and highly adaptable, great at trivia. That's not listening. That's not in here.

[Vince Goodwill]

I've been called charismatic in my day,

[Brian Windhorst]

but before Quick witted, resourceful, and diligent problem solvers who are also skilled at gathering wealth.

[Vince Goodwill]

I'll take that.

[Brian Windhorst]

And maintaining social connections. All right.

[Anthony Slater]

It's better than I thought it was going to be.

[Brian Windhorst]

Rats possess sharp minds, allowing them to solve problems quickly and think on their feet. That's I'm just reading is about what this is. This, this podcast has gone off the rails.

[Vince Goodwill]

Oh man.

[Anthony Slater]

Jalen Brown looked really good. And of course he has all your, I should say Jason Tatum looked really good.

[Vince Goodwill]

Yes, he does.

[Brian Windhorst]

His three point shot was, you know, he really, he was shooting under 20% from three coming into that game. He'd only played five games. I'm not, you know, freaking out, but that was the first game where his three point shot looked good and he was rebounding the ball well. Again, like, look, I mean, I don't know who's going to be healthy. I don't know how everyone's going to be in a month. But if you're making a fair evaluation of the Eastern Conference and you're. The Cavs defense is getting worse by the game. The Knicks are unimpressively winning. Cale Bridges in a slump. The Pistons best player is now injured and Jason Tatum is looking better by the game. And he's a Pisces and so he'll dominate when the moon is whatever phase.

[Vince Goodwill]

So are you saying make reservations. Are you saying make reservations in Boston

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for the second week of June?

[Brian Windhorst]

And I'm going to tell you something, if you haven't made them, you, you're going to, I mean it's not going to be your money, but it's the, there's some America 250th celebration up there too. It's the World Cup. I just, I wish you luck.

[Anthony Slater]

And it's just naturally an insane price usually in, in Boston hotel wise.

[Brian Windhorst]

In the spring. In the spring. Yeah. Yeah.

[Anthony Slater]

So, so there's a Red Yankee series or something going on.

[Brian Windhorst]

Yeah. All right. Well, I think we've done enough damage for today. I really, I think I'm going to wrap this one a little early because it's been a little meandering and it's NCAA tournament, so Jackson wants to go watch the games anyway. So I apologize for not delivering my normal incredible analysis that goes on for hours. Please. Thank you, Slater. Thank you. Thank you, Vince. Thank you, Jackson. The rest of our producers thank you for putting up with me 45 minutes. We'll talk to you next week.

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