EMERGENCY POD: Giannis Ready For Trade From Bucks

Summary

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EMERGENCY POD: Giannis Ready For Trade From Bucks

Brian Windhorst & The Hoop Collective | January 28, 2026
Participants: Brian Windhorst (Host), Tim Bontemps, Tim MacMahon

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Episode Overview

This urgent edition of the Hoop Collective dives deeply into the seismic news that Giannis Antetokounmpo reportedly wants to be traded from the Milwaukee Bucks. With less than ten days before the NBA trade deadline, Windhorst and colleagues break down what this means for Milwaukee, the likely paths forward, and which teams could emerge as serious suitors in what promises to become a historic bidding war.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Giannis Situation: Framing the Crisis

• Analogy and Mood: Tim MacMahon opens with a “Sanford and Son” heart attack joke, framing the moment:

  “Fred Sanford would always clutch his chest and say, 'this is the big one.' Being the heart attack, that's what it feels like with all the Giannis trade stuff. But this might be the big one.” (00:42 – C)

• Windhorst’s Perspective: Giannis wants out but won’t publicly make an explicit trade demand, leaving Bucks management hanging on.

  “This is like the fourth quarter of an NBA game... the Bucks are down, like, 22 points, and they're still playing. Giannis is the guy who's gathering up his coat... walking up the stairs to the exits.” (02:21 – A)

• Bontemps Pushes Back Slightly:

  “I don't know if that's quite the way I would frame it... the Bucks are engaging on trades means that we all have out in the open what we've all kind of known and been waiting for... that everybody is looking at the possibility, truly, of Giannis being moved in the next nine days.” (03:39 – B)

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2. What Happens Next? Is Giannis Definitely Gone?

• No Guarantees on Timing:

  “I am not certain of is I don't think this definitely means he's getting traded.” (04:24 – B)

• Open for Business:

  “...you now have eight days for, as you said, Brian, the league as a whole to come in and say, okay, here's what we have... And it now, I think is fully uncovered the fact that Giannis could be moved...” (05:05 – B)

• Why Now? Launching the Bidding War:

  “It has reached a point where it is in the Bucks’ best interest to get the bidding war going in full.” (06:04 – C)

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3. What Milwaukee Should Prioritize in a Trade

Core Split: Draft Picks vs. Young Players

• Windhorst: Draft Above All

  “They have to prioritize the draft... Their future is going to be tied to draft.” (08:43 – A)

• Bontemps: Young Talent Matters, Too

  “…the Bucks have to identify the best package of stuff they can get and get that. I don't think that necessarily means prioritizing the draft. If they can get really good young players, that's a worthwhile path to pursue.” (09:17 – B)

• Consensus: Winning Now is Off the Table

  “They are not going to rescue this season with the players that they receive… If they think that they're going to do that, they're going to fail.” (09:53 – A)

• Multi-Team Deals and Complexity

  “Very likely this is going to end up being a multi-team trade... you have got to turn over every stone and look in every corner...” (11:16 – A)
  “There's a possibility that it might not happen by next Thursday.” (12:49 – A)

• Could This Drag to the Offseason or Draft?

  “I could see that happening here... survey the market, see what they can get... wait and see where things are at at the draft.” (12:53 – B)

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4. Who Are the Realistic Suitors? Deep Dive on Potential Bidders (16:05–41:04)

The Rules of Engagement

• Teams must have significant draft assets or elite young players.
• Any deal likely involves future commitment to pay Giannis, with a $270M extension looming.

Team-by-Team Breakdown

(Notable quotes and judgments in bold)

• Brooklyn Nets:
  10 tradable 1sts now, 11 at draft. Considered a strong potential bidder.
  “I think the Nets would make an offer. Yes.” (17:23 – B)

• Chicago Bulls & Charlotte Hornets:
  Unlikely to be direct bidders; more potential facilitators due to pick capital/ownership temperament.

• Dallas Mavericks:
  No, not realistic.
  “I don't think the Mavericks would be bidders.” (19:03 – C)

• Golden State Warriors:
  Four tradable 1sts; big possible player assets.
  “Golden State can make a compelling offer, we agree... especially their far-out picks after Steph’s run.” (19:17–21:01)

  “Golden State's picks during Steph's 40s are attractive for sure.” (20:57 – C)

• Detroit Pistons:
  Unlikely direct suitor; more likely facilitator.

• Houston Rockets:
  Told not bidding, despite significant asset pool.
  “I've been told that the Rockets will not be bidders now...” (21:29 – C)

• Los Angeles Lakers:
  Not competitive enough in picks; could only get involved this summer if Giannis forces their hand.
  “If they're trading him now The Lakers offer could just be beat...by 15 or more teams...” (22:03, 22:12 – A, B)

• Miami Heat:
  Have some assets (picks, Tyler Herro, Khalil Ware), but probably not enough to win an open bidding war.
  “If it gets to an open bidding, they don’t have enough to win an outright bidding war, in my opinion, for him.” (23:34 – B)

• Minnesota Timberwolves/New York Knicks:
  Both have limited firsts; would need complicated, multi-team trades; Knicks could mass assets by dealing big players, but would require a franchise directional shift.

  “If the Knicks could get Giannis Antetokounmpo, they're going to try to do it.” (30:14 – B) “But it would take a massive mid-season redirection of their last four years of progression.” (31:04 – A)

• Philadelphia 76ers:
  Could make a strong offer if Tyrese Maxey included, but unlikely to break up current backcourt. Morey will have a meeting, but “don’t think they’re doing it ultimately.” (32:23 – B)

• San Antonio Spurs:
  Unlikely due to timeline mismatch with Wembanyama.

• Toronto Raptors:
  Can offer five 1sts and some interesting young players; Windhorst and Bontemps debate value of Raptors’ or Warriors’ full draft control.

  “I would personally rather have somebody else's entire draft... if I can get the whole draft for a team, I have to think about it.” (35:16 – B)

• Atlanta Hawks:
  Theoretically attractive due to double top picks this year, but don’t see them pushing in.

  “I just don't think they're putting the pedal down on that kind of move.” (38:09 – B)

• Boston Celtics:
  Would require Jaylen Brown be included, which is highly unlikely while Celtics are contending.

  “I don't think. That's not a Brad Stevens move. I don't think the Celtics are doing that.” (39:43 – B)

• Other Teams Mentioned:
  Cleveland Cavaliers, Memphis Grizzlies, Utah Jazz, Sacramento Kings, Washington Wizards all discussed as possible facilitators, asset sources, or wild card players—especially if multi-team deals blossom.

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5. Notable Concepts & Strategic Trade Insights

• Far-Out Picks Are Valuable:
  “If you can get a team's draft, you get a team's draft and you see what happens. It doesn't matter what market they're in.” (21:05 – B)

• Statue Theory – Giannis as Bucks Legend:
  “Giannis Antetokounmpo will have a statue outside that arena. He's not just going to have his number in the rafters. He brought a championship to Milwaukee... It's different circumstances for sure than Donovan Mitchell.” (45:39 – C)

• Don't Rule Out No Trade at All:
  “I am not ruling out the possibility of Giannis being on the Bucks on opening night of 2026. I'm just going to say that right now, for all that we just talked about, I'm not ruling it out.” (46:09 – B)

• Giannis’s Agency Over Destination:
  “Giannis is going to have some say on where he goes. The Bucks ultimately are going to have to operate off of a short list that he provides them.” (28:55 – C)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Exchanges

• On the Bidding War:
  “Trying to salvage things with Giannis, it kept getting more and more like he's not asking for a trade. He's just making sure everybody in the world around him is completely miserable. He's alienating the entire team. They're not good. There's not a path to get good again.” (06:04 – C)

• On Draft Philosophy:
  “The priority has got to be the draft. It's got to be this draft. That's got to be your first order line of business.” (39:03 – A)

• On Wild NBA Outcomes:
  “Look at the Clippers. You just have teams' picks for a long time and they're unprotected… The Lakers had like two losing seasons in 50 years and then had the second pick three years in a row.” (20:35 – B)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:42 – “Sanford and Son” joke, framing the drama
• 02:21 – Windhorst’s game analogy on Bucks/exit
• 05:05 – Public bidding war and Bucks’ posture
• 06:04 – Why Giannis is destabilizing Milwaukee
• 08:43–12:53 – Debate on championship-or-rebuild/young player vs. draft
• 16:05–41:04 – Team-by-team breakdown of possible trade partners and asset pools
• 35:16 – Would you prefer Raptors’ or Warriors’ entire draft?
• 46:09 – Windhorst and Bontemps: don't rule out Giannis staying

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Tone and Style

The episode blends urgent insider reporting with trademark Hoop Collective banter. The hosts oscillate between strategic front office thinking, wry generational jokes (“Sanford and Son,” “Three’s Company,” “Bewitched”), and frank, sometimes sardonic takes on NBA franchise decision-making. Windhorst’s analogies keep the drama accessible, while Bontemps and MacMahon provide analytical counterpoints and grounded league intelligence.

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Conclusion

The Bucks are at a major crossroads; Giannis’s desire to leave makes a franchise-altering trade likely but not absolutely certain before the deadline. The group agrees Milwaukee must target prime draft assets (ideally this year’s) or transformational young talent, likely via a complex, multi-team deal. Teams such as the Warriors, Nets, Knicks, Heat, and Raptors, among others, could enter the fray, but much depends on which assets the Bucks prioritize and Giannis’s own preferences. As Bontemps soberly concludes:

“You have to leave open the possibility of him signing the extension again.” (46:30)

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End of Summary

Transcript

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Hello, everybody.

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Tonight's from Dallas, Texas, where he's still iced in his band, McNabb.

[C]

Howdy, partners. It's starting to thaw. I think I'll be able to make a Mavs game tonight. You know what this whole Giannis thing reminds me of? You guys ever watched Sanford and Son growing up back in the day, those iconic.

[A]

You're really dating yourself right now there, buddy. No, I watched Iconic theme song Jackson and Devon who are here. Have either of you. Have either of you. Do either of you have any idea what?

[B]

No way. There's literally no chance. Jackson and Devon have any idea what?

[A]

I had to retire. I had to retire making Seinfeld references like seven years ago.

[C]

Yeah. This is like decades before that.

[A]

Go ahead.

[C]

Fred Sanford would always clutch his chest and say, this is the big one. Being the heart attack. That's what it feels like with all the Giannis trade stuff. But this might be the big one.

[B]

What a way to start off a Giannis, a Giannispod.

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Let's redo this.

[B]

Let's redo this.

[A]

Jackson, I dare you to put that in the YouTube headline. How. How? Giannis is like Sanford and Sons. Yeah, it's going to get a huge number of clicks.

[C]

Oh, God.

[A]

So this has obviously been a saga. There are probably more twists and turns in it. Shams has worked very hard. He's been reporting on this for months. Everyone is a little sensitive, so it's our job to not worry so much about the sensitivity. And that is my specialty. Yeah, that's what we're going to do here. Giannis wants to be traded, doesn't want to be attached to that demand, but that's what he wants, to be traded. And because he's leaving space there, there in his. In what he's willing to say publicly, the Bucks are, you know, hanging on for dear life, essentially. This is like the fourth quarter of an NBA game, and it's like, what do you want to say? Like, the Bucks are down, like, 22 points, and they're still playing. And, you know, you do still play because sometimes you see, you know. You know, once or twice a year, you do see a comeback from 22 down. Giannis is the guy who's gathering up his coat and, you know, telling his kids to, you know, pick up their coats, and he's walking up the. You know, up the stairs to the. To the exits. That's the best analogy that I can make. Has Giannis left the game yet? Well, he's not outside, but he's on his way up the. Do you disagree with that, Bontemps?

[B]

I don't know if that's quite the way I would frame it. I think, like, look, as we all know, because we've all done these types of stories, like, to get everybody on the same page with this kind of story if you're shams, is really complicated. Right? So the fact that the story is out there and it says Giannis is ready to leave and it says the Bucks are engaging on trades means that we all have out in the open what we've all kind of known and been waiting for to fully be out there for a while, which is that everybody is looking at the possibility, truly, of Giannis being moved in the next nine days. Now, what I. What I am not certain of is I don't think this definitely means he's getting traded.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

No.

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Right. They're down 22. They're still playing well. They're going to hoist up some threes.

[C]

But that doesn't mean they're coming back either.

[A]

Exactly right. The game is. The game is very likely over. But you. You play to the buzzer just in case.

[B]

I mean, I would kind of. I would kind of look at it as the game is on, and I would sort of say that, like, over. By doing this now and having this out there now, you're essentially, if you're the Bucks, what you're doing is having nine days, I guess, eight days. We were about, you know, eight days and a couple hours ahead of the trade deadline, where it's now fully out in the public that Giannis is available, that they're not a hundred percent trading them, but there's no, like. Well, we're not taking calls. We're not interested. Like, this is clearly, I would say, the most aggressive position Milwaukee has had this whole time. The Whole time Giannis has been there to the possibility of doing a deal. And so now, rather than talking about the bucks being down and trying to come back and any of that, I would say it's more okay if we're open for business, who's coming to try to shop in the store and you now have eight days for, as you said, Brian, the league as a whole to come in and say, okay, here's what we have, here's what we can get from somewhere else. What do you think of this? Can we maybe do this? Can we maybe do that? And it now, I think is fully uncovered the fact that Giannis could be moved and all the possible permutations that could come out of both the trade for him directly and then trades that could come as a result of that initial move.

[C]

And I think what's really happened is it has reached a point where it is in the bucks best interest to let's get the bidding war going in full like this. Trying to salvage things with Giannis, it kept getting more and more like he's not asking for a trade. He's just making sure everybody in the world around him is completely miserable. He's alienating the entire team. They're not good. There's not a path to them to get good again. They're in a very difficult situation in terms of a rebuild because of all the picks they've given up up and all the things they've done to try to continue building around him. They do have the benefit of bottoming out this year. It's a swap, but fortunately they're swapping with the the Pelicans and then you know, like you're not building another contender around Giannis. It's not happening. So let's get bidding war beginning in full and instead of just whisper, whisper, let's get it on more hoop Collective podcast after this.

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[A]

Right. So basically, do yourself a favor. Don't focus on who's asking for the trade. Move all that out of the way and focus on what could actually happen here. So when you look at what the Bucks are doing, I believe the Bucks have two things to consider. One, they have to prioritize the draft. Okay. This year's draft and their pick situation going forward. Their future is going to be tied to draft. Okay. All right.

[B]

Can I make one. Can I make one polite tweak to that?

[A]

I'm not surprised that you would jump in while I'm in the middle.

[B]

I think I would just say I think the Bucks have to identify the best package of stuff they can get and get that. I don't think that necessarily means prioritizing the draft. If they can get.

[A]

I think they absolutely have to prioritize the draft.

[B]

Well, if they can.

[C]

Hold on, Wendy, who's midpoint. Let Wendy finish.

[B]

If they can get really good young players, that I think that's a worthwhile path to pursue. That's all.

[A]

I would say they can get young players, but that comes after the draft and that includes this year's pick because as you just said, McMahon, this year's pick is not irrelevant. It's extremely relevant. It includes this draft, whether it's their pick or other pick they may be able to acquire, and it includes the next couple of years drafts. They are not going to rescue this season with the players that they receive in this. If they think that they're going to do that, they're going to fail and.

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So certainly agree on that.

[C]

An interesting point though. You're saying the near future drafts, this one in the near future where look, some of the teams are talking to. They're pretty handcuffed on picks to where they're, you know, if it's multiple picks, it's going to have to be 2031, 2032. And that's where I think you can have a Sam Presti special here or hey, we're not, we're not drafting three guys in this draft. Here's a couple picks in this year's draft for down the road. I know Utah is positioned to be a facilitator with that type of deal. Utah's also positioned financially, as are some other teams. But I would look for OKC and Utah to potentially be involved if the priority is near future draft picks instead of potentially juicy ones down the road.

[A]

That goes into my second point. So my first point is they got to come out of this with draft assets. You can debate whether you think 2032 is more important than 2028. You can make a case for that depending on whose pick you're getting or picks you're getting. Okay. The second thing is they can make trades with single teams here. There are teams that will make offers here that it's just, they're, you know, just two teams making swaps. But very likely this is going to end up being a multi team trade where either the team that the Bucks are dealing with goes out and improves its offer by trading some of their pieces for other stuff or whether the Bucks receive something and trade for Giannis that they go out and swap because you are, it is incumbent on the Bucks to maximize their this potential return. You have got to do as best you possibly can on this. Like Bontem said, it is, it is your duty. John Horst as the, as the general manager even really, I would say ownership, because you know, the steward, the stewards of the franchise. It is your duty to maximize this. If you handle this correctly, you can set yourself up. The Thunder are a classic example of this. But you have got to turn over every stone and look in every corner. That means potentially going to second to third teams and fourth teams. And that's going to take time. And that's one of the reasons I think that there is a possibility that you could see this not happen by next Thursday. I think Bontemp, don't you think there's a good chance this is going to happen by next Thursday but that because you've got to maximize this, there's a possibility that it might not.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, look, let's go back to a trade. Our guy Bobby Marks made, the Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett trade. The Celtics started talking about Paul Pierce trades in February. They didn't make a trade in February, but they gathered a lot of information and sort of had a sense of where the market was. And then they came back at the draft and they made a trade. Right. I. I could see that happening here because again, the, arguably the best thing the Bucks are going to get in this trade, whatever they get, is their draft pick this year. And by Giannis being hurt, it's removed some of the necessity to immediately make a trade to ensure that pick is going to be really good, because the pick's going to have a chance to be really good either way. And so because of that, I do think they have the ability to survey the market, see what they can get. If they don't necessarily love what they have available right now, wait and see where things are at at the draft. See where draft picks are at the draft. Right. Priorities for teams could change depending on where they land in the lottery. Like when Anthony Davis got traded to the Lakers, in part because the lakers jumped from 11 to four in the lottery that year. There's a lot of. There's a lot of things like that that could come into play. And the only thing to go back to the Bucks return that I think is worth emphasizing is what you said at the end, Brian. I, I would push back on the draft pick part because for one thing, if you talk to people who study the draft, the next two drafts are supposed to be historically bad. So I would not necessarily be saying we absolutely have to get picks in the next couple years drafts. But what the Bucks have to come out of this with is building blocks for the future. And whether that is they get great young players that they can grow forward with with their team, or they can get great draft picks that they can get that kind of young players with, or some combination of the two. This is what they.

[A]

They got to focus on this draft, 20, 26, this draft, that, yes, if.

[B]

They can get another pick in this draft, a really good pick, that would be great. But that, that, to me, whatever the, whatever the ultimate outcome looks like from the package they get, I think the key for it has to be, you look at the outcome of the trade and say, okay, the Bucks have these three to four to five assets going forward that can help them grow into whatever the next good Bucks team is going to be. And if it's some Trade for like ready made veteran players to try to win games right now. To your point, that would be just an awful move that they can't be trying to do.

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I'm holding in my hand.

[B]

We're back to the Bobby Guide Guide.

[A]

Now let's talk about the teams who.

[C]

Can, by the way, to find all those, all the Bucks picks, you got to go, you know, you got to flip the Pelicans and, and, and Trailblazers. And that's the thing.

[A]

And Hawks.

[C]

That's right. And that's the thing with the Bucks are in a position where the post Giannis phase is going to. They, they have to try to salvage the post Giannis phase now because they put so much into trying to maximize the time.

[A]

There's going to be a bleep ton of picks in this trade. Okay. And therefore I'm going to the chart and we're going to focus on two things. The teams that we think could make an offer, how many picks they can offer and how many picks that they can offer after the season. Okay. I'm going to go straight down the list and you tell me what you think. Brooklyn. Okay. Brooklyn has 10 tradable firsts, Michael Porter, and 11 tradable firsts as of draft night. Do we think Brooklyn? I also want to point something else out. If you're trading for giannis, who is 31 years old, you. You were also trading for the right to pay him $270 million in an extension this fall. Like if you're going to do that, I think you have to commit to that. Do you. Do we agree on that?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

You would certainly think any. But you would think there can't imagine many teams that would want to take Giannis on for the price it would take to get him, that would only want him for a year and a half.

[A]

Agree. Brooklyn, 10 tradable firsts. Do we think that Brooklyn will make an offer?

[C]

I mean, it's the ultimate pre agency move. I, I would not rule it out though.

[B]

Yeah. Are we. This is, this is going to be aggregation central. We really got to do this. We're going to go through aggregation central.

[A]

I'm saying. Do we think. We're not saying that they are and speculate.

[C]

It's informed speculation.

[B]

I'm just, I'm just giving, I'm just giving our guy who hates aggregation a hard time because this is all going to get aggregated. I think the Nets. I think the Nets would make an offer. Yes.

[A]

Okay. Charlotte, you're not answering.

[C]

Wendy.

[A]

I think the Nets, by The way I think there's like, there's offers already in. You can aggregate that. There's offers already in.

[B]

Listen, if a guy, a top five player becoming available, a lot of, a lot of things are going to be discussed that you don't know about and you don't expect to hear because players like this do not become available very often. And while there are concerns about Giannis's out years with the contract, there's concerns about his calf, all this stuff, at the end of the day, he's a top five player on the planet and those players are still going to return. Big value in trade.

[C]

More Hoop Collective podcast after this.

[A]

A lot of teams are either going to make offers or seriously consider making offers.

[C]

So Wendy, you've got Brooklyn as a bidder.

[A]

I think Brooklyn will seriously consider making an offer. Chicago Charlotte has eight tradable first round picks. Nine at the draft. I agree. That doesn't count.

[C]

Potential facilitator.

[A]

Potential facilitator.

[B]

Okay, sure.

[A]

Chicago, five tradable first round picks.

[B]

I would say I would put them on the list if, or only because Giannis has openly talked about the Bulls in the past. So I mean, and they have play.

[C]

In Chicago, they have ownership that famously is not interested in a.

[A]

Okay. Dallas, two tradable first round picks now four at the draft.

[C]

No, I don't think the Maddox would be bidders.

[A]

Yeah, there was a time where you thought they would be bidders.

[C]

Oh yeah, before, before last year's lottery for sure.

[A]

Okay. Golden State, four tradable first round picks. And they have tradeable.

[C]

Absolutely, absolutely. And I think Golden State's one of those teams where, you know, depending on the far out picks and the Bucks interest, there could be some, you know, could be a third team. By the way, Golden State has shown in the past they're willing to facilitate even if it's a team they might run into in the playoffs. They did it with Dallas.

[A]

They obviously have Jonathan Kaminga that they could use and they have Jimmy Butler.

[C]

And hey, they also have Draymond Green.

[A]

They also have Draymond Green. But Jimmy Butler, you know, has some Milwaukee ties.

[B]

Because Jimmy Butler is hurt. Because Jimmy Butler is hurt. I, I would say if they're going to do a trade, it would only really make sense if they did it with Jimmy Butler. But, but yes, I, I. Gold State has to be included if.

[A]

You'Re talking about far out picks, picks like when the, when the Thunder did the deal, knowing that Paul George and Kawhi Leonard were going to the Clippers, they took the farthest out picks possible. The father. Literally the farthest picks they were allowed to trade for because they figured they would be very good and that's why there's still stuff coming to them. You know, for all the Thunder knew, the Clippers would have won a title or two over the last six years. It hasn't happened.

[C]

The Thunder also had their own picks for the next several years, which the Bucks do not. That's a drastic, drastic difference.

[B]

That's fine, but for. I've heard plenty of people say things like why would you want Miami's picks? Why would you want Golden State's picks? Why would you want New York's picks? Well, because you know what, look at the Clippers. Like you just have teams picks for a long time and they're unprotected. A lot of things can happen and just because you're in a big market does not guarantee you're going to be good. The lakers had like two losing seasons in 50 years and then had the second pick in the draft three years in a row.

[C]

Like Golden State's picks during Seth's 40s are attractive for sure.

[A]

That's the point. The point is the Golden State's picks.

[B]

If you can get a team's draft, you get a team's draft and you see what happens. It doesn't matter what market they're in.

[A]

I haven't thought about this, but just because I'm going down. Detroit has four tradable first round picks. Plus they would have Tobias Harris to use.

[B]

I do not think Detroit is making a Giannis trade.

[C]

I don't either. Another potential facilitator though.

[A]

Houston, five tradable first round picks. We heard what you said.

[C]

I've been told that the Rockets will not be bidders now. Hey, nobody was under oath, but I've been told that repeatedly. And I'll say that they've got a pretty good track record of shooting me.

[A]

Straight for the sake of satisfying the largest fan base. The Lakers have one tradable first round pick and three tradable picks at the draft. They have 40 something million in expiring contracts. I don't think they can the Lakers.

[B]

Look, if Giannis gets to the summer and declares he wants to be a Laker, perhaps there's a world the Lakers could get in there with the three firsts. However, there's not a trade to be done now.

[A]

The Lakers also have swaps. As you know, they already tried this trip. Yeah, I agree. I think that if there's. If they're trading him now The Lakers offer could just be beat.

[B]

It's not even really beat by 15 or more teams. It's not even. It's not even a discussion.

[A]

Miami, two tradable firsts now. Three tradable firsts in the summer. Young players like Khalil Ware, Tyler Herro is under contract would be the big thing.

[C]

I mean, maybe Terry Rozier's contract, especially if the Bucks are saying we want to dump more salary if we're going to do this deal.

[A]

That's a good point.

[B]

I mean, Terry Roger's contract would be in the trade. I can pretty much guarantee you that.

[C]

Well, is it allowed to be? We still don't have a firm rule on that.

[B]

I would. I would say Terror Roger's contract will be in the trade if they, if they do a Yanis trade. I feel comfortable. I feel comfortable saying I. That that will be happening.

[A]

New York Knicks one tradable first two.

[B]

We didn't really have it. We didn't really have a discussion about Miami. I mean, Miami, absolutely.

[C]

Miami, absolutely. And again, Miami is another one of those, like the. If it's multiple picks, it's got to be far out. Would you rather have volume sooner than upside later? And if that's the case, there's going to be other opportunity to involve other teams.

[B]

Miami has, I mean, Tyler heroes from Milwaukee. They have Khalil Ware, they have Jaime Hawkez. They have like, they have some interesting young players. They have a couple picks. They could. Jovic, they have Nikola Jovic. They have.

[A]

Don't you think that their bid can be out? Don't you think that they.

[B]

Well, that's what I was going to say. That's what I was going to say. Like they have. They have enough that if, again, like the Lakers, if Giannis says I want to be on the Miami Heat, they can at least give some solid collection of stuff. But if it gets to an. Again, this is where you do the open bidding. If you do the open bidding, they don't have enough to win an outright bidding war, in my opinion, for him.

[A]

All right. Just because I think they're under some level of pressure to do something. I will point out Minnesota has no tradable first round.

[C]

Yeah, I just, I don't see how that. It's just like New York.

[B]

I mean, Cat plus, New York. New York is in a different. We can get to New York in a minute. Minnesota. I don't think Minnesota has a path to getting something like this done for exactly what you said. They have some interesting players and no.

[A]

Pitch would be If Giannis said I want to be a Minnesota Timberwolf and I will only resign there. Something like that.

[B]

But even then, but even then, I think teams would call Giannis's bluff on that for two reasons. One, they're not going to have money and they're not going to be able to get the money to do it. And again, what is the. Like Minnesota has like Julius Randall, Jaden McDaniels, Rudy Gobert, like these are good players but it's not, not for rebuilding team. Other teams would beat the other teams could beat that with a Kawhi Toronto trade.

[A]

Got to prioritize. They've got to prioritize the draft.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm not saying that that's the only thing they can do, but that's gotta be where they start.

[B]

Yeah. Minnesota just doesn't seem. It's, it's. I don't see how that one happens.

[C]

Okay, let's, let's hit New York there.

[A]

New York Knicks one tradable first, two after the draft and that, that tradable.

[C]

First is that Washington protected one.

[B]

Right.

[A]

That's not going to convey.

[C]

It's not a first. So essentially they don't have a tradable first. They don't have a real tradable first.

[B]

Here's what I would say, and this is a little complicated, but if the Knicks, if the Knicks end up doing this would end up being a. To Brian's point earlier, any of these trades are going to be three team trades because virtually every trade in the NBA now has to be a three team trade because of the way the rules are. If the Knicks trade Carl Towns and OG Anunoby in a Giannis trade, OG Anunoby just auctioned off could get you an absolute metric ton of stuff. Because while OG Anunoby is not Giannis, what he is is the absolute perfect finishing piece for a title team. And there are title teams with a whole lot of stuff that OG Anunoby would be a perfect fit on. So I'm not saying it would be a very complicated deal to pull off and it would require a lot of jujitsu to get it. There's. But the Knicks not having picks. I think the Knicks could turn their stuff into a lot of stuff. And if Giannis wants to be a Knick and say he wants to play with Jrue Holiday on the Knicks, for example, and Portland has some Milwaukee swaps in the future.

[A]

Let's take an off ramp to Portland here real quick.

[C]

This one's interesting.

[A]

Portland themselves, okay, has four tradable Firsts five at the draft.

[B]

Now what are those firsts four.

[A]

Let me just remind you what they traded, what they received when they traded Dame Lillard. They, they and by the way, this was again looking for far out post Giannis, which you know, looked like it will be post Giannis, the Blade, the Trailblazers own buck swaps in 28 and 30 and the Bucs pick I believe unprotected in 29. So they own the Bucks draft between 28 and 30. One pick out, right. Two of the swaps that would be incredibly attractive for Milwaukee to get back, especially if they were entering a rebuild. Now Milwaukee might say, well by 2028 we're going to be ready to go again because we're going to get good picks in 26 and 27 or whatever and good players here. But and as you mentioned, Drew Holiday, Jrue Holiday and Giannis have a championship pedigree together. So the Blazers are in a position where I think their phone will be ringing here. Let's just be honest, guys, the Blazers phone's already ringing. We know that they already ringing and Drew Holiday is there and those three Bucks assets that becomes a potential third team to be roped into this where the Blazers can say we're very happy with our Bucs stuff, we think that the Bucs are headed for a rebuild. So we why would we give you back. But you know, we're going to pick up the phone, we'll listen to what you want to say, what you want to send. So that is interesting and well, they've.

[B]

Also got, they've also got a lot of money in both Jeremy Grant and Jrue Holiday over the next couple of years in aging players that don't have a lot of value. And again, say what you want about Carl Towns, he's a very good player who if you put him on the Blazers between Denny Avia and Donovan Clingan at the cost of getting off of Jeremy Grant like that, you can make an argument for that like that he would be an interesting fit there. So, you know, or to your point, Portland is kind of an interesting. I mean Portland could end up with Giannis, at least in that contract construct. I don't think they're doing it.

[C]

But I mean Giannis is going to have some say on where he goes. The Bucks ultimately going to have to operate off of a short list that he provides them.

[A]

So I would just say as we've gone through this exercise, we're not all the way through it yet, but Golden State can make a compelling offer. We Agree.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Four firsts plus swaps, plus the players. Okay. Miami can make an offer, maybe not quite as compelling, but they can put together an offer that is, you know, you would have a meeting about it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The Knicks, despite only one tradable first and kind of zero tradable firsts. Yeah, they, if they want, can make a compelling offer. The question, bon temps is do they want? Because we have Jim Dolan on the record saying what he said about this team. He believes in this team. The fact that they're in, whatever, third or fourth place right now, just got their third win.

[B]

I'm gonna last night, I'm gonna just say want.

[C]

There's a lot of smoke around. A lot of smoke around cat. There's a lot of smoke around Cat. As far as a fit moving forward.

[B]

In New York, I would just say once I would go back to the most important thing. Jim Dolan said they have to make the finals and they should win. If that's the standard, if you can get Giannis Tennikounmpo, you're going to try to do it.

[A]

Okay. That's what I would say.

[B]

That's where it's at.

[A]

But I'm just saying owner is on the record believing in this roster and he's also saying that I don't care.

[B]

About any of that.

[A]

I care about. You should care about it because he flat out said that he's made. He's. One of the things he's learned is that he shouldn't chase a shiny object and that he gets in trouble when they get off the plan. This would be exploding the plan.

[C]

I'm not buying a referee shirt so I can get between you two. I'm over six feet tall.

[B]

So there you go, we got the joke in.

[A]

All right.

[B]

I got a lot of experience watching Jim Dolan's movements in New York City. I would just say he fired his coach after they made the conference finals for the first time in 25 years and then in his first interview in two years said, we have to make the finals and we should win. So I'm setting the rest of it to the side and if they could get Yazdicupo, they're going to do it.

[A]

Okay. I'm just saying I believe, we all believe they can make a compelling offer, but it would take a massive mid season redirection of their last four years of progression.

[B]

I agree. I agree.

[A]

Philadelphia, three tradable first round picks, lots of young players, lots of tradable salary.

[C]

I mean, here's the deal. The Bucks are going to start that with VJ Edgecombe, and, man, I don't.

[A]

Well, that's an example of box.

[B]

You're going to start it with Tyrese Maxey.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

I think Maxey's off limits, but.

[B]

Well, I'm just. I. Here's the thing. The Sixer, like Daryl Morey, runs the Sixers. So I would say, sure, just because Daryl Morey runs the Sixers and this is the kind of thing he would typically look to do. However, I would just say, having just been in Philadelphia, Philadelphia has been very mad about their team for a while, and they're very in love with their backcourt. And for as great as Giannis is, I think there might be a lot of anger in Philadelphia if they made a trade like this. And I, I just don't see the Sixers doing.

[A]

But you're having a meeting.

[B]

I mean, every team in the league should have a meeting to discuss it, but I don't think they're. I don't think they're doing it ultimately.

[A]

San Antonio, I have been told, I've.

[C]

Been told by folks with the spurs, we're not a home for Giannis, and there's a lot of smoke around that, like, going back to the summer. But everything in San Antonio is about the WIMBY timeline, and this is a decade past the Wimby timeline. When you bring in Giannis at his age.

[B]

I, I do not think the spurs are a bidder.

[A]

Three tradable firsts, five at the draft. Thought I would just say, and they.

[B]

Have awesome young players. I mean, I, if I'm the Bucks, I'm calling the spurs and saying, hey, you interested? You want to do it? But I, I don't. I don't think they are Toronto Raptors.

[A]

Four tradable firsts, eight at the draft.

[C]

Yeah. And the thing with the Raptors is they have been, I'm sorry, five.

[A]

That was. I'm sorry, five.

[C]

The problem with the Raptors is what they're trying to give up in the market in terms of players or this.

[A]

Is where the thing where, if you, you can't prioritize current players.

[B]

Here's what I would say. Here's what I would say. If I am the Bucks and I could just get Toronto's entire draft. I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it.

[C]

Are you waiting until the draft?

[B]

Well, I mean, this year's pick is probably going to be a pretty good pick, but are a pretty bad pick, relatively. But I mean, like, if I could get seven years of Toronto Raptors drafts Fully in control. I'm thinking about it like that that could lead to some really, really good picks down the road. I'm also probably getting Brandon Ingram. I don't think they're giving up Scotty Barnes, but maybe I'm getting Brandon Ingram and Jamal Shed and maybe I get Colin Murray. Boyles, who's a very good young player. Like Toronto, if they decided to be a bidder, could make an interesting offer. And again, if I can get the whole draft for a team, I'm. I have to think about it because that can lead to a whole lot of stuff later.

[A]

Yeah, just some of the players that they would be getting back are not great contracts. And again, can that. Like, if you're going to get an entire team's draft, do you want whose entire team's draft? Because there's only a few teams that can offer their whole draft. Like, which would you prioritize if you were the Bucs? Let's just say you got. Let's just say you're in the meeting with the Bucs. Would you prioritize getting their draft back? Like, let's say there's. They can get those three picks back from Toronto or Portland, the two swaps in the first. Or they can get the entire future draft of the warriors, or they can get the entire future draft of the Raptors.

[B]

I would personally rather have somebody else's entire draft. I don't need the two picks, especially the Warriors.

[A]

Which would you prefer, Golden State or Toronto?

[C]

I go Golden State. Just because, you know, the end is near for Steph.

[B]

I don't know how.

[C]

I don't know if it's two years, three years, but, like, Steph's not going to be hooping when he's 43.

[A]

It feels like we keep coming back to that.

[B]

I would. I would take Toronto. However, I think I have. I am of the opinion that these Golden State picks could be very valuable. And I would again just point to the Clippers as a prime example of how people are like, ah, these Clippers are. They're always going to be good. They'll spend money, it'll be fine. And they got Jalen Williams out of that. We'll see where the Clippers land in this year's draft.

[A]

When it comes to the warriors, with all due respect to their management and ownership, they were bad for decades before Steph got there.

[C]

Yes, it was different ownership and different management.

[A]

Be that as it may, it doesn't matter.

[B]

Again, if you give me seven years of control of a draft, that's a lot of bites at the apple. There's a good chance of misfortune benefiting you in that. But like, for example, the Hawks this year are getting a pick that was traded as part of the Drew Holiday trade, which was seven years ago. Like, that could be Darren Peterson or Cameron Boozer.

[A]

Good point. AJ Dispenser.

[B]

Like, it's a long time. It's a very long time.

[C]

You know what the, you know what that fake first that the Knicks have. You know what that's from?

[B]

That is from. I can't remember the trade. I am annoyed that it can't be John Wall.

[A]

The John Wall?

[C]

I believe so. Yes. And then that went from.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Houston to OKC as one of the two. Chris Paul, part of the Alien deal from OKC to New York when. When the drafted Usher. Yes, yes.

[A]

All right. We didn't actually talk about Atlanta before I started with Brooklyn for some unknown reason. Atlanta has four tradable firsts and they've got the swap that the Pelicans own. I mean, it's a Pelican.

[B]

Atlanta certainly would be the team I'd be calling first because you could get, you could get both halves of this year's draft at the top, which would be an incredible get for Milwaukee. They also have Jalen Johnson. However, I don't think Atlanta is going to be in the mix for Giannis. I think they're very happy watching ping pong balls.

[A]

They also have Porzingis.

[B]

They also have Porzingis. So they can make the money work pretty easily.

[A]

If I was Atlanta, I would say the Pelicans are your, you know, that is, that is your move. And by the way, if Atlanta wants to make a big trade, they can go try to make a big trade this summer after they see that pick.

[B]

Is Atlanta has a very young team under, under Ansysola. They've done a nice job accumulating assets. They got a bunch of young players. They're, they got a chance to have an incredible pick in this draft. I just don't think they're putting the pedal down on that kind of move. That's a way different thing than like the potential ad stuff we were talking about in the past that was, you know, maybe expiring contracts and one asset like this would be a lot different.

[C]

I, I do wonder how much expiring contracts will be of value to the Bucks here. Not necessarily in a straight return for Giannis, but if, like, are they trying to get off of Kuzma? You know, would they like to pull the, the plug on Miles Turner? After they moved heaven and earth to get him. You know, Miles Turner, as He enters his 30s on that deal. I don't know if that makes sense for a rebuilding team.

[A]

That's a fair.

[B]

I just think it all comes back to maximizing as many assets as you can get out of the deal.

[A]

But the priority has got to be the draft.

[C]

Picks, picks, picks, picks, picks.

[A]

It's got to be this draft. That's got to be your first order line of business.

[B]

Again, building blocks, which you can identify in a couple of ways, really good young players and. Or draft.

[A]

You can get VJ Edge come. Then you can. You can lower your focus on the 26 draft.

[B]

But that's. But it's got to be building blocks. One of those two things. Prime draft assets or prime young talent.

[A]

Okay, Boston, two tradable firsts.

[B]

I don't see it. I don't see it.

[A]

I don't think just because I know. I know there are Celtics fans in my life who say to me, can. Can they get.

[B]

Well, listen, obviously, if you're doing a.

[A]

Celtics, it would take trading Jaylen Brown.

[B]

Or if you're trading Jaylen Brown for Giannis. With Jaylen Brown and stuff for Giannis, I just don't think. That's not a Brad Stevens move. I don't think the Celtics are doing that. The Celtics are currently second in the East. Jason Tatum is coming back. I don't. It would be very unlike Boston to do that kind of deal now if Danny Andrew is running the Celtics. Different story.

[A]

The bottom line is, you know, Jaylen Brown's significantly younger than Giannis. Like, if you did that, even if Giannis is a better player, although Jalen might put his fists up on that, your window with Jalen is just bigger.

[B]

And again, like we've talked about, I mean, you brought it up, I think, the other day on the pod. Giannis has had four calf strains and. Or four calf issues in a year and a half, and he's older, and he's going to cost a ton of money. And it's like, there's like, look, everybody's. We're talking about this because he's an incredible player, but there are real possible downsides down the road and potentially not super far down the road. So I. Boston, obviously is an. Is an obvious team to look at because of what they have, but I don't. I don't think that's a. A likelihood.

[A]

This situation really kind of reminds me of that one episode of all in the Family. Um. All right, anybody else have anything to Say on this emergency pod, you skirted right by Memphis.

[C]

Memphis has picks.

[A]

That's true. I skirted by several teams. I skirted by Cleveland. Cleveland could if they wanted to. Cleveland has one tradable first. But Cleveland could make a player offer. Again, I don't think that is super interesting. I mean, unless you're offering Donovan Mitchell, I don't think it helps you with the really good young player or the 2026 draft. But Cleveland could make an offer. And again, this is a team you'd have a meeting with. Like, I don't think Jared Allen and Darius Garland are getting it done as good as. As. Even though on the other side of that, like, of all the trades that, that the. The Bucks could make might be the.

[B]

Best present talent they could get. But that's not. But that's not right.

[C]

But the Bucks goal is not to be as good as they can be right now because the simple fact is it's going to be mediocre.

[A]

Right. I mean, that would actually hurt your six.

[C]

Try to put them in a position to have a decent rebuild.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

I mean, you would ask for Donovan Mitchell or Evan Mobley is what you would do.

[B]

That's Evan Mobley. Evan Mobley's interesting.

[A]

Well, Evan Mobley is. You know, I, I guess you can't say he's untouchable because if Shea or Victor or something was available, obviously they would do it. I would say the one thing that we would say about Cleveland is that. Botteps, you've been saying this for years. I've been in agreement with you. The key for the Cavs future is for Evan Mobley to become their best.

[B]

Player or for Donovan Mitchell to be the second best player, which is how I've been. Well, I, I've been phrasing it as Donovan Mitchell needs to be the second best player. He would be the second best player playing with Giannis. But yes, like, look, if Evan Mobley. If Evan Mobley got in the mix again, like we talked about with OG Again, if Cleveland. Now, look, Cleveland's in the spray.

[A]

Well, the Cats can't offer draft picks, so like you say with the Knicks, they would have to do something that, like, if they were serious about, like, I'm not saying that they wouldn't.

[B]

The CAVs are also $20 million into the second apron, so they have to get out of the second apron to be able to do any of this stuff. So again, this is. We're talking about. You're having a meeting again.

[A]

This is the situation you're having a meeting. You're having a meeting.

[B]

If the Bucks would get their hands on Evan Mobley in a trade, again, in a hypothetical world where they could do that, if you then put Evan Mobley on the block and say, what can we get for Evan Mobley? Again, like Ogn and Obi, they could get back a mountain of things. And that leads you to being in a position where you have a ton of stuff out of the draft.

[A]

Right. So they don't physically have the draft assets, but they have the ability to potentially get them to get drafted.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And I, you know, because of the. Of the toe situations with Darius Garland, I don't think that he would have the same value in the market. And.

[C]

And Mobley, by the way, is dealing with reoccurring calf stuff, too.

[A]

Yes. He just had his second calf injury of the season and is probably out until after the All Star break.

[B]

So you're the calf, unfortunately.

[A]

All right, do you want to talk about Memphis or no?

[B]

I think McMahon was messing with you on that.

[A]

Yeah, we didn't talk about Utah or Sacramento either. They both have a ton of picks.

[B]

Again, this is a good exercise, though, because this is the kind of thing the team.

[A]

Sacramento. Would you take Sacramento's entire draft?

[C]

Absolutely, in a heartbeat. Now, Yanis is going to put the, you know, he's going to make the brakes screech on that one. Giannis is going to have some say here. But again, I think if we're going to talk about those, these are potential facilitating teams.

[B]

And if you're the Bucks, right. And if you're the Bucs, this is what, this is what they're doing. They're sitting in. They're in their war room, and they've got all these teams on the wall, and you're going through it and you're saying, okay, let's call, you know, let's call the Knicks, let's call the warriors, let's call the Raptors, let's call the Cavs. Let's call everybody.

[A]

And see, Washington has seven trainer boxes.

[C]

And the Rockets are a potential facilitating team.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Well, Washington, call. The Rockets will do it. Call the Wizards, call everybody. Trey Johnson has six tradable firsts in 15 seconds. You could give him like, nine seconds.

[C]

Yeah, I don't think the second round picks are going to be the determining factor in this.

[B]

I mean, look, to go back to Cavs Corner, right, when Cavs Corner traded for Donovan Mitchell, there was basically universal agreement. There was one team trading for Donovan Mitchell. Right. And then out of the clouds. Here comes Kobe Altman and the Cavs and they trade for Donovan Mitchell. Now, I'm not saying, obviously I'm not saying this situations are one to one. Donovan, a couple more years on his deal, et cetera. We didn't have Kawhi going to Toronto. When he got traded to Toronto, it was, well, he's going to go to the Lakers and then he gets an ends up in Toronto.

[C]

I do think the other thing here is as uncomfortable and kind of messy as things are right now with Giannis and the Bucs, and especially over these last few weeks, Giannis Antetokounmpo will have a statue outside that arena. He's not just going to have his number in the rafters. He brought a championship to Milwaukee. He's a Hall of Famer if he never plays another second. And so it is different circumstances for sure than Donovan Mitchell in Utah, who was a very good player in Utah, but is not getting his number retired.

[B]

I also would say that I am not ruling out the possibility of Yaseen Akupo being on the Bucs on opening night of 2026. I'm just going to say that right now, for all that we just talked about, I'm not ruling it out.

[A]

Fred Sanford Again, 22 points in the fourth quarter doesn't mean you stop playing well.

[B]

And Giannis, if we go to. If we go to the pod motto. Actions over words at every turn. When Giannis has had the ability to sign the extension, he has signed the extension. So until he doesn't sign the extension and until he's traded, you have to leave open the possibility of him signing the extension again.

[A]

Reminds that episode of Three's Company when.

[B]

Mr. Wilbur.

[A]

Told Jack. I don't remember what Jack's last name was. It was heavily in reruns by the time I was get it a bit witch.

[B]

So you get into.

[C]

Bewitched is way back. I was. I like Different Strokes.

[A]

What you talking about, Willis?

[C]

That was a good one.

[A]

These are all. Yeah, these are all. These are all. We could go on and on. All right. Thank you to Devon and Jackson for putting together this emergency pod. Thank you for checking us out. Are we still doing a third pod this week? I don't know. Maybe. Giannis will get traded tomorrow.

[C]

The next one's the one that Bon Timps and I aren't invited to anyways.

[A]

I might invite you if Giannis gets traded, but I might prioritize 2026 draft.

[C]

Hey, if he gets traded to Golden State, you're inviting Slater over one of us. I can assure you of that.

[A]

I'll tell you, Slater doesn't have any idea what these TV shows are. He would be completely lost if I brought up Laverne and Shirley. Go ahead.

[C]

Adios, amigos.