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First Round Chaos: Wemby Injury, Playoff LeBron, Durant Disaster, Knicks Collapse
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Hoop Collective: First Round Chaos: Wemby Injury, Playoff LeBron, Durant Disaster, Knicks Collapse
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Got a lot of one ones, fellas. Going to be going to be a fun few days in the association, not in Cleveland.
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Joining us from Oklahoma City, where I wouldn't bet on that going one one, but you never know. Where there will be game two on Wednesday night between the Suns and Thunder is Van McMahon.
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Howdy Partners and hello everybody. Forgot that.
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So hello everybody. By the way, Window, you'd be you'll be happy to know that Slater, our guy Anthony Slater texted me earlier and said weird night in the league. And what did I say back? I said as Window says, there are no weird nights. There's just nights in the league.
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There's are no weird NBA games. There's just games. I was moving over here from the studio here in the LA studios, looking outside and the fans were streaming out of crypto.com arena very, very happy, Very, very happy. But we're going to start down 35 from McMahon in San Antonio where things got very interesting in the Spurs Blazers series on Tuesday night in Game two and in fascinating and upsetting ways, Victor Wembanyama got knocked out, fell extremely hard, got knocked out. There's just no way to know how he's going to react to that concussion. Mitch Johnson, the coach, said after the game that he's only being evaluated for concussion, that he's not being evaluated for any other injuries. I guess I'll believe him, but he has a head injury and I cannot believe he does not have some sort of jaw or neck injury too. The positive for the spurs is that, you know, typically in the first three games of a first round series, you get two days off somewhere in their two days off come between games two and three. So it's 72 hours between games. You need at least 48 to clear the concussion protocol in the NBA. But there's no way to know whether he's going to be able to clear. There's just no way to know. So McMahon, the Blazers, which we're going to talk about with a very big fourth quarter move here. But this throws the entire Western Conference playoffs into some disarray here. Not knowing what's going on with Victor Wembanyama.
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Yeah, thank goodness he did not fracture his jaw because I mean he basically landed chin first on the hardwood and that is a long fall. So scary.
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He was also not bleeding from the mouth that we could see. So hopefully he didn't bite his tongue either.
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Yeah, that's a scary play, but I
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mean he was knocked out cold. You know, hopefully he has a quick recovery. But um, you know, this was, even with Wimby out, this was a game the spurs had and the, you know, the Blazers took it from them. The spurs also just let it get away. Darren Fox has to be better, you know, to mind. Kamara swallowed him up in the fourth quarter.
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Well, that's what happened. They were able to put Kamara on to Fox because they didn't have to put Kamara on Wembanyama.
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Yeah, and that whole domino, you know, Stefan Castle has to be better. But you know, Fox is the vet. Fox is supposed to be their closer. Fox went one of six from the floor in the fourth quarter. You know, frankly I, I don't know. Harper didn't play a lot in the fourth quarter. He was the one who was having the, the most success in, in terms of handling.
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Well, frankly, that's another topic. Harrison Barnes hurt his wrist. I didn't see a post game update. It did not look great. And Dylan Harper re injured a thumb. He hurt his thumb in the last game of the regular season. Which is going to be very, very fateful the way that game went down, not only potentially for the second round, but for this round in the Lakers getting the Rockets. That's for later. But Harper didn't finish the game and his beat because he re aggravated that thumb. I don't know how much it was the thumb, but they had three injuries in the space of about 45 real time minutes, which is not ideal.
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They're still at 14 with 8 1/2 minutes left and just could not score. And again, credit the Blazers. They've got some really good individual Defenders, you know, Donovan Clingan was pulled down the stretch. They closed with Robert Williams because the spurs were playing small a lot. But even when they brought Cornette back in, they stuck with Robert Williams. But Kamara and Drew Holiday were great on the defensive end. And hey man, Scoot Henderson had himself a game. I mean that he was just hitting shot after shot after shot, big time shots.
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Bontemps. Here's the thing about this Blazers performance. Denny Avia, I don't know if he was 100% either because you know, he had a back issue earlier in the season. He did not look like he was moving great to me and he scored zero points in the fourth quarter. The Blazers made this comeback with Denny Avia as a decoy. It was Scoot Henderson, it was Jrue Holiday and to Moni camara, he scores 10 points in the game. Eight of them are in the fourth quarter. They got this win in a comeback fashion in San Antonio with Avia not a factor in the fourth quarter.
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No, I mean it's a huge, it was a huge comeback. It was, as you said, McMahon summed it up perfectly. It's a huge collapse. I mean, and for all the, the things to talk about with Portland, you know, at the end of the day, the Aaron Fox, as you said, McMahon, they traded for this guy. They gave him this max extension in the summer. He's the guy who in this situation with Victor Emanyama out, has to be the one to step up. He did not. And let's just be real about this, fellas. Like this is about the worst team the spurs could have drawn for this situation because the Blazers are an excellent defensive team with all sorts of athletic, good defensive guards and wings. Right? You take Victor Wembanyama out of the picture, at least for now. Let's take him out of the picture for the Spurs. And the Blazers have all sorts of people to guard. Stefan Castle, de' Aaron Fox, whether Dylan Harper's healthy or not. Keldon Johnson, Devin Vassell and you know, obviously we'll see if Denny's right on Friday, but the spurs don't have an amazing matchup for him, size wise. Robert Williams back to playing like Celtics Robert Williams again.
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I know, being a factor in the thing. I haven't seen him play like this in years.
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I mean, he looked incredible down the stretch in this game. And you know what, what have we talked about for weeks? How real is The spurs shooting 7 for 24 from 3? Another rough shooting game from Stefan Castle again.
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He had two airballs in the fourth Quarter, dude.
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The air ball in like, it was like a 10 or 12 footer that he.
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Yeah, whatever it was, he shot at 10ft.
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It was a 12 foot shot.
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Well, and this is what I kept talking about down the stretch. I think Stefan Castle is an awesome player. He's going to have an awesome career. But like, we've seen this so many times. You get in the playoffs for the first time, things are different. I mean, we're going to talk about the Knicks later. Jalen Johnson had an awful first couple games, playing in a real role for the first time in the playoffs. Dyson Daniels got benched down the stretch of game, too, for Jonathan Kaminga.
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Good decision.
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These are the things that happen even to good players in the crucible of playoff games. And, you know, if. I mean, certainly, I hope Victor is back on Friday. Like you said, it's a minimum of 48 hours. Then you have to clear a bunch of benchmarks to be able to play. I think just from that standpoint, game three feels like a stretch when it's 72 hours away. I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible, but that's. That's probably an uphill battle if you're just being realistic. So if you're going to say, all right, Victor's not going to play in game three, well, all of a sudden, this series where we come out of Sunday and we're talking about how great Victor looked and how great the spurs looked overall, and, you know, they're on their way, all of a sudden, this thing's totally on its head. And like I said, if Victor's not available, you look at these teams on the bottom half of the bracket, The Blazers are a really tough matchup. With the amount of wing defenders they have, it's suddenly a very fascinating series.
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I'm just going to say real quick, the spurs are capable of winning without Wemby.
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That's what I would say. I think for sure this was a shock to the system, that they didn't handle great. Although they built a lead. I.
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They just. They fell apart in the fourth quarter.
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Yes. And they have a good record this year without Victor, too.
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Yeah. Now, I will say one thing. I know. So in the first. So Victor played nine minutes in the first quarter, and he played a handful of minutes in the second quarter. In the first quarter alone, the Blazers were 3 of 12 in the paint. You know, that's the Victor effect. That's why he's unanimous defensive player of the year. The rest of the game, they're 17 of 22. So that's a big factor there. Second thing is they only give up. They only get up 24 threes now. They made seven of them. As you said, Bontemps, 24 is way below the number they normally shoot because even though Victor isn't always a high volume shooter, he creates gravity and generates that so well.
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And he is one of their best three point shooters as well.
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Correct. So they didn't, you know, they were stitching this together so they'll have a, I assume a better game plan for Friday.
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But it's just tough. Like now Donovan Clingan is all of a sudden a much bigger factor in the series because although he didn't play well tonight. No, he didn't. But I'm saying like going forward, like Donovan Clingan can bang on Luke Cornett. Like that's, that's a place where he can guard and, and be much more effective. I mean, he's the best offensive rebounder in the league this year. You know, like, obviously takes a huge center out of the mix for the Spurs. They have to totally change up their game plan over the next couple days. Like, again, none of this is to say the spurs are down and out and the series is over. Even if Victor can't play for a week. Like, I certainly think the spurs can come back and win game three and get back on track and win the series. But for a team that's now going to be relying on perimeter players, the spurs have a lot. I mean, you got Drew Holiday to Monte Kamara. Scoot Anderson was also guarding really hard in this game. I mean, he made some huge plays.
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Scoot Henderson has had the two best games of his career, such as it
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is, and it's crazy considering he basically had it. This was almost a lost season for him.
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He had these crazy hamstrings with a torn. Yeah, he missed 50 games.
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It's just to come out and do this today, I mean, you know, and again, let's see where Denny's at too.
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His interviews, both after this game and in the, you know, he had interview, he had a. Did. He did a piece with Mark Spears right at the start of the play and like his attitude and everything has been very, very good throughout this whole thing. And so, I mean, his, his confidence showed in this. You know, he played very well in game one as well. But to put up 31 on the road in his second ever playoff game.
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Again, the spurs also have some really excellent perimeter defenders too. It's not like they're, you know.
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Yeah, well, they're going to have to re examine their game plan on Scoop. Quite frankly, I'm sure they didn't bank on him doing this.
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And listen, he, he came through tonight. He's. He's had a great series so far. I'm not sure he's going to keep shooting it that well.
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I mean, of course, no, I'm.
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I don't know that Scoot Henderson's going to, I think what was he, five of nine from three? Yeah, I mean that's getting repeated.
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No, he's not going to do that. But you also wouldn't assume Dennis Denny Avia is going to go for no points in the fourth quarter and have 14 points. If especially Victor's not playing like this is a guy who's as good getting downhill as anybody in the league. If he's right on getting to the rim. I mean you laid out the stats, Brian. Like if he, if Victor's not out there all of a sudden, the, the math changes a lot. And also just say real quick, we always talk every year we get to the end of the playoffs, whoever wins and what do we talk about? Right. How lucky you have to be.
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That's right.
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To get all the way through. And again, this is not trying to be some postmortem on the spurs that they have no chance. I like Victor, hopefully will be back. They'll go on a huge run, everything will be great. But like you need luck to get through the next two months. There's a lot of games, a lot of stuff can happen. Shot luck, injury luck, all kinds of stuff. And you know, in a 45 minute span, to have three rotation players all go down with injuries, obviously including Victor is just a reminder that a lot of this stuff is very fragile.
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I just want to point out with Abdia, he was in foul trouble. I don't think he was ever able to get in a rhythm in this game. And he did make that the biggest pass of the night. That was an incredible play.
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That play was unbelievable.
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Well, first off, the spurs, the spurs are standing on Avia's right foot whenever he's got the ball in the perimeter. Just saying you have to go to
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the left and, and he doesn't go like he, he does not go left.
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So that was actually really good defense on that play. Luke Cornett brought help defense and they stymied Avia. That was like a, a really good defense and he threw like he somehow like pirouetted basically.
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Well, they didn't stymie him. He stopped on a dime on one leg and drew Luke Cornett over and Lou Cornette was like, oh, this guy's going to have to shoot it. And he somehow didn't travel and then lobbed it up to Robert Williams for a dunk.
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And when he let it go, I thought it was a floater.
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Yes, I did too.
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It was just an unbelievable play all the way around.
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All right. By the way, Jackson put a quote in here from Scoot Henderson after the game. When did you realize you had it Tonight? And he said when I woke up, which is actually sounds like a Victor quote, quite frankly.
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So hey, listen, Scoot has had a bit of a quixotic start to his career, but I mean, he was a mega quixotic.
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Wow. Vocab.
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He's a mega prospect. And you know, like he this was a pretty cool moment for him to show up on a huge stage. And obviously you go all the way back to when Victor was playing those games in Vegas, right? Remember three, four years ago when he came over, who was he playing against? Scoot Anderson and the G League Ignite. Right? That was the whole thing. Like Victor against Scoot is the top two picks in the draft.
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There was the time where they was like, well, which one of them is going first? And when the dust settled, not only was it Victor, but Scoot ended up third.
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I don't know what that means.
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I was going to say I knew he didn't.
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Lakers, Lakers over here, Rockets over here.
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Who are two different ones.
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Well, listen, separate ones. I'll tell you this. The Rockets offense is definitely forcaded right now.
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I will start with the Lakers. Okay. I just want to say watching this game, it was like a throwback to 2006, because that's what this game looked like. It was an absolute rock fight. LeBron was, you know, parading to the line, trying to get to the basket. Couldn't make a real jumper. I guess he made a couple, but, you know, he's 8 of 20 and basically just making plays left and right at low efficiency. And I guess they did creep over a hundred, but for a long time it looked like the game might be, you know, in the 90s to the 80s. The difference is, in 2006, LeBron was 21. Now he's 41. And they just stitched it together. And look, Marcus Smart, you know, you're gonna have role players hit shots. Marcus Smart hit shots. Marcus Smart. Luke Kennard combined for 48 points in this game. Now, if Reaves and Doncic were playing, I suppose it's possible their averages are higher than that. Maybe they would have come up with more than 48. But against the Rockets, you don't need that many points. And that is an incredible way that they're delivering. And I'll say this, number one, beyond LeBron, just putting up the numbers, I'm not surprised. You tip your cap to him, but you're not surprised. I will say that at the trade deadline, the Lakers traded for Luke Kennard. There was a bit of a market for him. The Lakers got the deal done. Whatever you want to say, they got the deal done. It was a reasonable Deal. Gabe Vincent, did they give a second bontemps? I can't remember.
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Yeah, Gabe Vincent, a second.
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All right. And then J.J. redick. It's not like Luke Kennard is standing in the corner and just hitting threes. He's hit some threes. But they are putting JJ Redick is designing a game plan where Canard's getting the ball on the move. They're running actions for him and showing that he isn't just a spot up shooter. I wonder if JJ sees a little bit of a mirror in Luke Kennard, you know, Duke player, you know, viewed as a spot up shooter. JJ may have thought in his career. I'm just, I'm just guessing. No one said this to me, but I've. J.J. might have thought, you know, I could do more than just come her off floppy action and you know, run around and catch and shoot a three. I could put the ball on the floor and they could run some stuff for me. Whatever it is, they put a game plan in that has given Luke Canard the opportunity to become basically a shot creator. And he is delivering. He is nine years into his career and he is delivering in ways that I had not seen before. Maybe he's done this in Memphis or something.
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He has definitely handled the ball some in the past. It's not like he was never driven.
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He is basically, you know, he's the number one three point shooter in the league percentage wise this year. He. But you know, earlier in his career at Duke and when he was in high school, he was a total give me the ball and let me create my own shot. So anyway, that is definitely to be admired. Also. Jackson Hayes, like Shen Goon's Alperin Shengoon's numbers were better in this game than Game 1. But Jackson Hayes guards him down the stretch of this game. And Shangun made a couple of baskets, but Jackson Hayes was effectively guarding Alperin Shingoon, most of it straight up. Jackson Hayes was plus 12 in this game. Okay, so I, I'll let you talk about the rockets, McMahon, but this is a double story. The Lakers are really manufacturing something here and I noticed in DraftKings they've swung to the favorites and I don't blame them.
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Oh yeah, they're up 2 oh and LeBron is. LeBron's had 24, 2 oh leads in series in his career and won every single series.
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All right, McMahon, the Rockets.
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Go ahead, man.
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God, this it.
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They're hard to watch. They're hard to watch. And you know, you, you, you're watching game one and they say, okay, man, boy, do they need kd, because this is ugly. And then Katie comes back and the guy had 20 points at halftime on 6 of 7 shooting. Second half, he had three points on 1 of 5 shooting. He commits nine turnovers in the game. The guy had more turnovers than buckets had nine turnovers, four in the fourth quarter. And, and, you know, I go back to the baseball series I covered in Houston that first game when they're just, you know, and they're varying, the double teams, you know, they're varying. Like when they send the second defender and you know where it's coming from and all that, it's not like it's the same. You know, as LeBron says, it's not like it's the same pitch. They're mixing up their pitches, but the Rockets, and KD in particular, are not handling it well at all.
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And
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reed shepherd had 11 scoreless minutes in this game, fellas, like, for a team star, for offense, they got a donut from the guy who's probably on NBA Today.
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Today we were asked, and I hate this kind of bleep, but, you know, I was following the procedures of. The producers said, pick, pick. You know, I don't make predictions. This is one of the reasons why pick a hot take for this game. And I said that Reed shepherd would have a huge bounce back after a. After six of 20. Boy, was that wrong.
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Yikes. Yeah. Nice little. Oh, four. And one of those was a three in transition with KD open. And KD got the rebound and actually got a bucket off it. But KD was letting Reed shepherd know on the way back down the floor, hey, when I'm open, running the floor, don't pull up from 28. Give me the damn ball. But what an. Like, what an. Just an ugly, abysmal performance. And again, man, like, you know, 23. 20. 23 points on 7 of 12. Yeah, nine. 23 points on 7 of 12 shooting. But that was a terrible KD performance.
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They're just running a double team at it. But do they not know they're going to bring a double team to Kevin Durant? Do they not know that?
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Right? I mean, this is the thing. This is where I. It's hard to. For me to really parse out the, like, you know, your point about the bifurcated nature of this. Like, look, the Lakers have been red hot shooting the first couple games, but like, the Rockets. The Rockets have. There's no theory to the Rockets offense. Like, they're not. It's just. They're just smashing their heads into the wall and flinging the ball around and like, yeah, they're running double teams of Kevin Durant. It's like the Rockets don't have a plan for that. Like, I mean it's what we've seen in clutch games all season. Like, yeah, they just completely short circuit all the time. Like, you know, like. And also the other, like a couple other things. One, Amen Thompson never guarding LeBron James. I don't really understand what the plan of that is. Perhaps it's some sort of. Well, we want to have him when he switches on to LeBron. Well, he's not switching on LeBron. If you stand in the corner guarding Marcus Smart and LeBron's going against Tari east or somebody else and getting where he wants. Also, like Canard is just straight line driving, going by guys on the perimeter for the Rockets and getting to the rim in the fourth quarter. Like this team that's supposed to be an excellent defensive team just not really stopping the ball anywhere. And then you go down the other end and Durant's just throwing crazy passes. And like again, they have 17 more shots than the Lakers today in this game. And you know, they're winning the possession game does not matter. And again, you could say if you're, you know, LeBron even said it in the post game interview, oh, you know, guys play better at home than on the road. You can you for the Rockets, you could say we're going to go back to Houston and you know, Canard, Marcus Smart aren't going to, you know, go 16 for 26 from the field like they did today. And we're going to get a couple wins and get right back in the series. Which, like might be true, but it doesn't change the fact that you watch this game and it's like, it's like these guys have just, they just can't run basic NBA offense at times. Like, the Lakers are not the, I don't know, the prime. To go back to your thing about 2005, this isn't the 2005 Pistons defense. Like Lakers are an okay defensive team and they're making the Rockets.
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Yeah, they work hard, but they're very limited.
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Yeah, like they have. They.
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And, and honestly, part of the reason they're very limited defensively is because their two best scorers aren't great defenders. Those guys aren't playing right now.
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But three best scorers, Luke Canard is.
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Luke Canard has replaced one of them. Luke Canard is no defensive ace like DeAndre and Luke DeAndre and, and Jackson Hayes are not Rudy Gobert. Like, come on like this. You know. Again, no disrespect, they're playing really hard, but come on.
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No, they are completely befuddling the Rockets with smoke and mirrors. They are out scheming them is, is, is what we're watching right now.
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And out executing. Out scheming and out executing everything.
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I mean there's just. What is the plan for the Rockets? Well, that's the plan for the offense besides throw it at the backboard and hope to get the rebound.
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Yeah, I mean I, again, I want to credit the Lakers defense, but the offense is just. I, I don't, it's element. I, I, I don't know.
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Well, also, how is Kevin Durant only getting 12 shots?
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Because they kept throwing a second defender at him and he kept throwing the ball away.
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My point is you have to find a way to get Kevin.
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You ha.
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There has to be a plan to get Kevin Durant More than 12 shots.
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There has not been a plan for a long time. That's the issue.
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It's, it's crazy. It's crazy how just completely inept they look on offense.
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I would just say that this se this season had a lot of promise for the Rockets and obviously they've had stuff happen to them that they cannot control losing these players to injury. But they have not maximized the hand that they've had at least to this point.
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Oh, look, when Fred Van Vliet got hurt, we came on the pod and talked about how this set up a men Thompson to have an all star most improved player kind of season and like seize the opportunity and run with it. And he just didn't like. He hasn't been that great. He's been fine.
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His brother is going to end up more decorated this year than him, I think.
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Well, yeah, I mean we didn't even talk about that the other day. I don't know if we're going to talk about Minnesota later. No offense to Sar Thompson who I had second team all defense. He absolutely should not have been.
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I think Mr. Gobert might have felt some way about that.
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B
We'll get to that.
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A
We'll talk about that.
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B
Yeah, but.
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A
All right. Two zero, Lakers and Shams said today that, that, that Luka was not going to play in this series, but I haven't heard that about Austin Reeds. Let's point that out. Okay. Bontemps up at TD Garden on Tuesday night. The best. There was a great duo who was playing in this game. A duo that we have Seen before. But the duo was Tyrese Maxey and Vijay Edgecombe. They got it done.
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B
They sure did. I mean, we talked about it on Sunday after game one that I was at in here in Boston and I got back home and what did we say the formula was?
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Threes.
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B
Sixers have to have the best player on the court and they gotta shoot threes. Right. And in that, in the first game, they were 4 for 23 from 3 and Tyrese was awful. Tyrese Maxey. And in this game, BJ Edgecombe at 30 and 10. First rookie to do that since Tim Duncan.
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C
That's wild.
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Youngest player to ever do that in a playoff game, surpassing Magic Johnson. Pretty good company.
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Despite a hellacious fall that forced him from the game.
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Yeah, which we'll get to tyrese. Maxey has 29 hits. The 29 and 9 hits. Two massive pull up threes after the Celtics cut it to two midway through the fourth quarter. Puts them on a 173 run. They pull out, they put the game away and win. And this, this is the Celtics that we have seen for most of the past decade. This is what the Celtics do. They are much like the Nuggets, who I think we're going to talk about later. What is the thing you've said about the Nuggets over and over again, Brian? They love to play long series. You know who else loves to play long series? The Boston Celtics. They are the kings.
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Do I feel that in my bones?
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Yes. I mean, look, the Celtics, this, the beginning of this game was a definitional. This was a definitional Celtics game. They get out to a 26 to 13 lead. Nick Nurse says after the game, they were sensational at the beginning game. They were, they were back. They did what they've done a lot, jump out to a double digit lead. They're flying around, hitting shots, making plays, looking like it could be another 20 point win. They then let the Sixers back in the game, get down by 10, make a big push. Seven minutes to go or six, 25 to go. They get down to two car crowds going crazy. And they give up two back to back open threes at Tyrese. Maxey immediately take some bad shots. Game gets away. They lose by 15 and they go 13 for 50 from 3. I suspect the shot quality numbers will probably say the Celtics should have won by 10 or 15 points just like they have a lot of times in the past. And they're now 11 in a series against a team that has some ability to give them problems. And by the way, Joel Embiid Started a strength and conditioning program on Monday and we'll see if he could be a factor at some point in this series. And the other thing I will say, interesting stat from Stats Williams, which goes back to these Pull up threes of VJ and Tyrese in this game. In this game, the Celtics ran drop coverage 69.7% of the time.
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Drop coverage is basically when the screen comes up, the big man. The big man is on the ball,
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the center stays back towards the basket, he drops towards the basket.
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He doesn't come up and block the pathway. They don't switch. They just sort of wait back and bet that you're going to miss.
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B
That's right. That's that percentage. 69.7% is the third highest percentage any team has run drop coverage in any playoff game in the player tracking data era, which goes back to the 2013-14 season.
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A
Yeah. In the modern era, teams typically switch because drop. Because just about everybody on the court can shoot threes. And when you go into drop coverage, it's ripe for a three pointer.
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Yes.
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It's sort of a curveball. Or if you've got a guy like Embiid who you can't switch out on, which is why you often see, especially in the playoffs, mismatch hunting. They just create the switch that they want. But that's a bigger conversation. But it's a. That's a good number from Steph.
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B
Essentially, the Celtics were daring the Sixers to take and make threes. And The Sixers went 19 for 39 from 3.
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C
That'll do it.
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And won the game.
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C
And when you said the Sixers had to have the best player on the court, you meant Tyrese Maxey. You didn't mean the 19 year old. I'm sorry, the 20 year old kid, DJ Edgecombe, who was, he was the best player on the floor tonight.
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Unbelievable.
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C
You know, like the rookie of the year conversation has been Cooper Flag Conic Knipple. And, and I'm not saying VG Edgecombe is like just completely off the radar,
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B
but he's a deserving third, but a distant.
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C
He'll finish third in that balloting, but he, you know, like a distant third. Knipple went to pick after him. I don't believe the 76ers have any regrets about the guy that they have. And this is.
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B
I could tell you they don't.
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C
He's a guy who, you know, like Bahamas didn't make the Olympics, but they were right on the, you know, right on the cusp of qualifying for the Olympics. When he was an 18 year old kid playing with pros on that team. And you know, in some of those games, which are high stakes games, down the stretch of those games, he had the ball in his hands. He was the primary shot creator.
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B
Well, I'll tell you right now, Chris DeMarco, who's now coaching the Liberty, who was a longtime Golden State warriors assistant, Klay Thompson's coach, Draymond Green worked with Klay Thompson based his whole career at the Warriors. Draymond worked close with Draymond Green, obviously with Steph. He swore by VJ Edgecombe leading up to this.
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He was the Bahamas national team.
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He was the Bahamas national team coach. He was like, I would take this guy first. He's going to be unbelievable when he gets to the pros.
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A
I don't know about.
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I'm not saying he should have been Marco, not saying he should have been first. I'm just saying, I'm just saying like
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he, he's a stud.
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Good luck to DeMarco, by the way, because I saw him give us, I saw an interview he gave today. It's seeing him with like, you know, giving interviews at the New York Liberty is, you know, I know, longtime friend of the pot. Okay. The Celtics won 56 games this year and that was awesome. And we take our hats off to it. And Jaylen Brown got a lot of attention for it. But Derek White had a phenomenal defensive season. He was on my all defensive team.
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B
Mine too.
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A
He was a big part in many, many wins. However, he had a terrible shooting season. He had the worst shooting season of his career. I do not know why that happened. Maybe there's something about his shot or something, I don't know. But he is off to a terrible start in this series. And on Tuesday he was 3 of 12 and 2 of 10 on threes. And now they have firepower in Boston. Like they don't need him to shoot well, but they do need him to shoot well sometimes.
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C
Well, they need Peyton Pitcher to score. He had four points on two of eight shooters.
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Well, that's the thing. Like not only did they, not only did they miss some shots like from their core guys, but Pritchard and White, neither one were there to sort of rescue the situation.
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I would posit this was not an offensive loss. The, the, the trick was anything.
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I'm just saying Derek White's. Derek White's gotta, at some point he's gotta hit some shots.
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B
I, I agree with you, but. The Sixers had an offensive rating of 125 in this game. Okay, they, this was a defensive loss.
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A
Fair.
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C
This was an ass whooping. They scored 97 points and had only two guys scoring double figures.
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B
Yeah, it was a two point game with six minutes to go. And then the, the Sixers hit shots and won the game. I wouldn't, I wouldn't say they whipped them, but I, what I would say is, again, I go back to this drop coverage. Like the Celtics under Joe Missoula are very dogmatic. They do what they're going to do, and that's what they do. And they came into this game clearly saying, we're going to dare this, this Sixers team to make shots because they, they got, they missed shots in game one. They immediately stopped shooting them. They, they took five threes. The better portion of the second half. They took seven threes in the entire second half of the game. Basically said, we're going to dare these guys to shoot the ball and we think we're going to win. And again they let Tyrese Maxey come off of one screen one, pull up, you know, come around a screen, pull up and shoot after another. Same with VJ and those guys nailed shots. And you know, like the Celtics had this game in control at different points and did what they have done in the past, which is turn off and take a lot of threes and let their opponent back in the game. And Brian, we've covered dozens of Celtics games. I've covered more than you, but you've covered plenty last eight, 10 years. And this is the same script we've seen countless times from this team. This is what they have done over and over and over again.
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Nothing more than to extend series. I mean, the amount of time, the amount of times I have stomped off to the airport to fly to a game that should not have happened.
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B
Yes.
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A
Because the Celtics did a game like this.
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B
Yes. And you're, listen, you're right about Derek white. He shot 32% from three this year. He sort of reverted back to what he was at San Antonio from shooting. You know, he's been a better shooter than that the last several years. I expect him to start making shots at some point, but he hasn't. So we'll see if that changes. You mentioned Peyton, Pritchard, McMahon. He has not been great, but I, I, I think the Celtics will score enough to be all right. But again, look, I think Boston's winning the series, but coming into the series, like the Sixers are a decent matchup for them. Like the Celtics have never done well guarding Maxi. They don't have a Super matchup to guard Edgecom either. And Paul George looks really good. He's settled in as a second or third option today. You know, when they get in kind of a rough spot, they need a bucket, they throw it to him on the, on the block. You know, the block extended on the baseline. He gets a turnaround jumper that he's obviously made a million times in his career.
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C
He's healthy and has fresh legs.
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B
He, I mean, seriously, he had that 25 game suspension. You know, he does, he feels good, looks good physically. They've got Kelly Oubre and Quentin Grimes and all these, you know, these other wings they could. Justin Edwards, who's had a really, had a really good game today that they got a lot of long wings they can throw out there at different points on the Celtics perimeter players. And again, like, we'll see if Embiid can come back. And even if he comes in for 15 minutes a game and it's just a different dimension, they can throw at the Celtics offensively to get some fouls and score some buckets. Like they have the potential to make this an interesting series. And this was my question after game one, can the Celtics take care of business and keep the Sixers down? And again, like you said, they love to do. They love to have long series. They've let the Sixers off the mat. Game three is Friday night in Philly. Crowd there's going to be absolutely crazy and we'll see over the next few days where Embiid is at.
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I think we've got five series that are 1:1, right?
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B
Five, I think, at least.
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A
And the one seed in the east is down 0:1 that are playing on Wednesday. So yeah, you know, first round is looking spicy.
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B
Remember on Sunday night when it seemed like everything was boring?
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Well, I never take that. I never overreact setting you up for
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B
your game one line, Brian.
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A
Of course, never overreact to Game one.
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Okay, so we've got two, two series that went to one one on Monday night. The Cavs went up two zero Harden and Mitchell look like they could be a real factor playing half court basketball. We'll be talking about them in the future. But I want to start with the game that you were at Bontemps. You were at the Hawks dramatic victory late. CJ McCollum with one of the best playoff moments he's had since he was
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B
a Blazer dropping F bombs on live tv.
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He's just a married man with two kids.
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I like that. You like being a Madison Square Garden villain. He said, I'm a nice guy who has two kids and a wife.
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B
CJ was feeling great after the game. I said, nice game to him. He said, yeah, you're one of those guys picked against us too, right? I said, yeah, I did. I was just trying to give you some motivation. He goes, I just look forward to being on live TV saying, you were wrong. I said, get three more wins and I will.
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So, yeah, well, that's what they call. They were feeling themselves.
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B
They were. They were. I mean, they stole that one flat out on Sunday night.
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A
I. I've said this before. One of my. One of my rules. I know I sound annoying when I talk about my rules, but the first way that you get upset in a playoff series is you as a favorite is that you give away a game that you have. And the second way is you give away home court. And the Knicks did that one fell swoop.
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C
And by the way, the Knicks should know that. Cause that's what they did to the Celtics last year.
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A
Correct. Now, Bontemps. So I know that there was this discourse about Jalen Brunson. Is he a defensive liability because they hunted him? Yes, of course he's a defensive liability. He's undersized and not that fast. He's been a defensive liability since he was in high school.
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B
It's a very odd discourse.
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A
Guess what? He won championships as a defensive liability at Villanova, and he's won a hundred games. And he was clutch player of the year. And the Knicks were one of the best clutch teams in the league. Yeah, he's going to get hunted. Guess what? C.J. mcCollum gets hunted defensively. He's a defensive liner.
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C
That's right. If you ask Jalen Brunson. Hey, do you like that matchup with. With McCollum? When you've got the ball in your hands, he'll say, what do you think?
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A
All right, so we're rejecting that. Like McCollum said, we're rejecting that on this podcast.
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B
Of course we are.
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A
Bottoms. What I want to ask you is Mike Brown. I mean, There's a number of things going on, but Mike Brown has. I don't understand why. Maybe there's a good reason. I just don't get. I'm thick headed. He started sitting Carl Towns and Jalen Brunson at the same time, including in the fourth quarter of this game. Which, which kick started Gold or Atlanta's run. What do you think? That's, what do you think about that? What's going on there?
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B
It's insane. I mean, let's just call it like it is. It's insane. I've had a lot of people around the league hit me and say why is Mike Brown refusing to split up? Jalen Brunson and Carl Towns, it's. And look, they, they've had some synergy late in the season and they're trying to lean into that and they wanted to play together. That's fine. The Knicks have a ton of offensive talent and at two points in this game they had a lineup on the court anchored offensively by Jordan Clarkson. Jordan Clarkson, who is at the end of his rope as a, as a player like had a very good career but should not be anchoring lineups for a playoff team that thinks it can make the finals. What's his explanation is that, I mean, he just wants to have those guys playing together. They want to maximize the minutes they're out there on the court. That's, I mean, that's what they've said about it. I, I reject this as a plausible theory. I, you know, doesn't make a lot of sense. I mean, look, the, the, this was just a weird game and it's been a weird two games because the Knicks have largely controlled the first two games of the series. And in the fourth quarter of both games, the Hawks have made runs. In game one, they got down to within eight with about two minutes to go and then couldn't hit a couple shots and never got much closer. And in this game, obviously they went on I think a 150 run over the final five minutes when the Knicks just didn't score for a five minute stretch. But Jalen Johnson has been flat out bad through two games. He has not been the all NBA player that I voted him as through the first two games. He's been basically invisible for large stretch of it. Stretches of it. The, the Hawks got bailed out in game two by Jonathan Kaminga who had a great game and played with a ton of force.
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He had one of the best games of his career.
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B
Absolutely did.
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C
The guys that traded for won that game for him.
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CJ McCollum and Jonathan Kaminga for Trae Young and Chris Das Porzingis, like, no question, like, those guys were great down the stretch of that game. Kaminga replaced Dyson Daniels, who has been iffy offensively first couple games. So Atlanta goes home having not really played well yet with the series one one. And you know, it's going to be fascinating to see how the Knicks respond to this because this is a team that has been sort of in a weird place all season. They remind me of the 2019 Celtics where everybody is like, oh, this team's going to put it together, they're going to figure it out. They got all these pieces and they just never did. And perhaps they will. But you know, Mike Brown has a horrendous gaffe with the timeouts, calls and doesn't call use it for lose it. Use it or lose a timeout. Then calls a timeout with 2:43 to go. When Jalen Brunson has an advantage in the half court.
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Just pause you there. Use it or lose it. In the NBA, you're only allowed three timeouts in the fourth quarter and inside three minutes you're only allowed two. So if you don't use the one timeout, you just, it goes away. So you don't see coaches calling timeout between four and a half and three minutes, if for no other reason to just give his players a breather and to drop a play. And so Mike Brown calls a timeout 12 seconds late and then they end up with one timeout.
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B
Not only does he not use, use to use it or lose it, he calls it after the three minute mark goes by. And it was while Jalen Brunson had an advantage in the half court. Like it, it just didn't make any sense at all. And then they could have used that timeout at the end of the game, which obviously the broadcast said they had, but they didn't.
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A
By the way, Mikhail, I know everybody was hyperventilating about that. Mikhail Bridges got a decent look. That's to win the game. It's an 18 footer.
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B
I mean it was very classic. Mikhail Bridges refusing to get in any contact at all where he probably had a pretty clear path.
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A
It's a 40, it's a 40% shot to win the game. What do you want?
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B
Yeah, it was fine. Given, given they got the rebound with 5 1/2 seconds to go. Like, yeah, it was a fine look. But yeah, I mean the Knicks should be up 20 and start of the fourth quarter of that game. They're up 12 and it looked like the Knicks are going to win the series in a comfortable five. And all of a sudden now it's one one and series are going to Atlanta.
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And I would say it's uncomfortable. All right, McMahon up 35 way from where you're at now. We got a game three coming up at the end of the week here between Denver and Minnesota. 1 1. The Wolves have a impressive victory and you're pedicure buddy, if you don't know. I saw the Wolves in three different times this year. Three different times of the season. I went like, I want to say it was early December, late November, then January and then like March. And all three times I saw Chris Finch and talk to him. One time Bontemps was out here with me. And all three times he talked about how Rudy Gobert was helping him keep the season together with his defense. And for all the people who badmouth Gobert, which, you know, fine. For all the times that Rudy drives his teammates up the wall when he can't catch a pass or when he complains that they don't throw him a pass, the guy's defensive impact on the game. And by the way, like, I remember the first time I met Chris Finch was shortly after they made the Gobert trade and I went to training camp in Minnesota and he walked me through why he thought that was such a great movie. He has been a Gobert supporter since day one. And you see in this game why it was so valuable because Denver is just not, you know, Jaden McDaniels, you know, went viral because he was talking about how the Nuggets have no defense, good defenders. The Nuggets don't have a good defense. That is absolutely true.
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C
They don't. When he just said Aaron Gordon, I'm like, Aaron Gordon's on a bad defender now.
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Anyways, they're all bad defender.
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B
This is a good old fashioned NBA rivalry where nobody on both sides likes each other. And that 45 second or minute long clip encapsulated all of that.
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C
And it's the third time they've seen each other in a playoff series in, you know, a recent stretch here. By the way, that 19 point comeback. 19 point comeback. The second biggest comeback in Minnesota playoff franchise history. Yeah, game seven in Denver.
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And by the way, post game road playoff win, Ant Edwards brings it.
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B
It's one of one, we'll just put it that way.
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You know, that was the, you know, remember the whole bring your ass thing to Charles Barkley. And I think he. When they won in Dallas in The conference finals a couple years ago, he like said something to locker room attendant or whatever and he's got the big old man sunglasses on and he's, you know, he's saying that Dante DiVincenzo has gorilla nuts and stuff like that.
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C
Hit some big shots.
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Yeah, you think that Knicks could have used Dante DiVincenzo? Anyway, the reason this game, this game was decided at the, at the other end of the court with Gobert defending Jokic and just generally the defense that McDaniels and you know, I will say that I went and looked this up. The last three years the Nuggets have finished first, third and third in clutch net rating. When they get to clutch time, they're a killer. And that's. You don't need advanced analysis. It's because they go to the pick and roll with Murray and Jokic and it's very, very difficult to script out and stop.
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C
Although they've been choppy this year in the clutch.
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A
Correct. So this year they were 17th. And I asked some people why and nobody has a clean answer. Maybe there is a clean answer, but I don't know.
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B
Well, here's the other thing and my. When I was going through my ballot, I went through my ballot with Stats Williams on Friday afternoon. We were talking through all the different awards and he was pushing me. It's like Jamal Murray, Jokic, you got to look at him for clutch player of the year. I said there's no way I'm voting for either of those guys. Even though their numbers are great, when the whole story of the luggage season has been their foibles in the clutch over and over and over again. And then you get to the final 20 seconds of this game. Nicole Jokic just flat out does not want to shoot a 10 foot floater, which we've seen him make a billion times. He tries to throw this crazy pass to Christian Brown through Anthony Edwards who almost stole it, ends up and then Brown gets fouled and makes one of two. And then I don't know what the hell Jamal Murray was doing on this final possession where he dribbles around for 15 seconds, down three and then takes a step back. 17 footer. It was just, it was one of the craziest shots you'll see from a experienced guy who's been money in that spot so many times. Like they, those two guys look tired and just completely whiffed and a giant spot in the game.
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C
But getting back to Gobert, Joker's one of eight shooting against Gobert. And look, Joker's had Some massive games against Rudy. I'm not going to sit here and tell you he's a joker stopper. I'm going to say he had a hell of a game defensively last night. Not coincident. You know, Rudy did his passive aggressive stuff. Talking about the not being a finalist for defense player of the year. I can tell you Rudy feels like this was maybe his best defensive season. There are metrics that support that he's a four time defensive player of the year. And I do agree with Finch. Like for him to not be in the top three, like that was weird.
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B
He was third on our ballots. I know that Brian.
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C
There's definitely Rudy fatigue. I get that like with the voters. But like he was a top three defender in the league. There's no question about that. And listen Rudy's love language. He's got two of them.
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One French
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C
lob passes to awards. He cares deeply about awards and so he felt a certain sort of way and he went out and had a, a a statement type performance even though his box score line is, is not impressive at all.
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Yeah. So that those series both are a little unpredictable at this point.
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B
And yet another example of Denver getting a big lead in a game two and like the Celtics just putting themselves in a very difficult spot like that first quarter, the end of the first quarter it looked like they were going to run away with this series and now they have not.
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A
I just want to say where we are in 2026. Both LeBron James and Alperin Shengoon had to give press conference answers today about viral videos.
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C
Oh God.
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Sengun. What? You know he got caught like before Game 1 standing up when LeBron walked by pregame and it was like oh my God, look at Alperin Chan good. He's so intimidated by LeBron. He stands at attention when he goes by and he was like no, I was getting piece of gum out of my pocket. And then there was this video of Lebron that went viral of him like you know, non verbal communicating with just a couple of looks. And there was actually some hilarious comments that. And LeBron revealed this is what they say on aggregation sites. Lebron revealed all caps. The inside story of LeBron revealing that he was people thought it was to Bronnie like oh, he's been given. He said it was no, it was to Marcus Smart. So this is where we are. We now have to give to give updates and breakdowns. Not of the game. Not a game, not a game. A viral video. So who knows what tomorrow will bring. Oh, it's already tomorrow. Thank you very much to Jackson and Mark, our producers who are staying up through the night to put this together so you can enjoy it on Wednesday morning and Wednesday afternoon on ESPN2. Thank you to Bontemps, who gets getting about three hours sleep before he flies back.
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B
I WISH it was three to New York.
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Thank you to McMahon who was at the Tiki tonight. And thank you.
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C
That's so true. That is a. You are defaming me.
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A
That is a lie. That is a lie. He was at the Goat.
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C
No, I was in my room taking in the games and I didn't go last night.
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All right. Thank you for listening and watching Hoopp Collective. We'll talk to you in less than 48 hours.
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C
Adios, amigos.
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B
Calling all sightseers and selfie takers. Welcome to Texas, where a day at our hiking trails will lead to a lifetime of memories and family road trips become family legends where thrill seekers make a splash into spring fed pools and picky eaters will clean their plates. This is your invitation to visit Texas and see it for yourself. Visit traveltexas.com and plan your family's trip today.
- [55:46]
C
Let's Texas.