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Jeffrey
Welcome to your second day podcast. It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning and I know someone who has a lot of opinions about restaurants in this room. I'm looking at him.
Brooke
Oh, is it me?
Jeffrey
It's you. Sure.
Co-host/Commentator
He's getting taken on dates. No, no, no.
Jeffrey
I mean Would someone screwing up at a restaurant be a huge red flag for you?
Co-host/Commentator
What do you mean by that? Well, like, screwing up. Like, what do you mean?
Podcast Narrator
The order.
Jeffrey
I can't tell you exactly because it's coming up in the second. Okay. It's going to happen while he's still holding the menu at the beginning.
Co-host/Commentator
Okay. Well, you should know how to go on a date at a restaurant. So obviously this would be a red flag.
Jeffrey
Okay. Jose's not dating you, but you know what? I don't think that's what he's asking for. Anyway, you're going to hear what's going on in this second date. But we love to start with your comments because you mean so much to us. That's true. That's true. We're thankful for you. We are in Marin comments a lot, but I like this one. They said I might. Might be weird, but I like spoilers or teasers. So I read the comments before I listen.
Co-host/Commentator
I actually know someone. Like, wait, you do that? Alexis, don't you watch movies or, like. Yeah, she loves this.
Jeffrey
I know. And I skip to the end of the books first, and I read what happens at the end before I go.
Co-host/Commentator
I was like, somebody around in my life does this too.
Jeffrey
What is wrong with you? I need to know what happens so that I can read in peace or watch in peace.
Co-host/Commentator
So you relate to Mary Marin.
Jeffrey
Anyways, thanks for leaving the comments. And Alexis, I love it. Your second date starts right now.
Brooke
Second date update. The results are in. It's Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning. Because recent studies have shown about 50% of couples now meet online compared to just 22% only five years ago.
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Jeffrey
That's a huge jump.
Brooke
Yes.
Jeffrey
It's like the pandemic. Like, super.
Co-host/Commentator
Yeah, it made it really normal, really quick.
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Brooke
So now, going forward, Brooke, if you want to spice up the relationship with your husband, you're gonna have to make him a dating profile.
Co-host/Commentator
Oh, okay. At least you get to pick his.
Jeffrey
You know, I think I could make him a really good one. I mean, to be honest.
Brooke
Well, I think. Joke's on you. He already has one.
Jeffrey
Wait, what?
Brooke
Apparently, you guys are. You're looking for a third right now, according to him. And we're not going to go into that because.
Co-host/Commentator
Wait a minute.
Brooke
I want to talk right now.
Co-host/Commentator
I'm excited for that day.
Brooke
To Jordy, the listener who wrote into our show because apparently he met a girl out in real life bucking all of the latest trends.
Jeffrey
You're in the minority now, irl.
Brooke
Jordy.
Jeffrey
Good work.
Brooke
Welcome to the show.
Jordy
Hey, guys.
Jeffrey
Hey. So where'd you meet this woman?
Jordy
So I met Harper at this German bar, actually, you know, I was playing bocce ball. Do you guys know what that is?
Jeffrey
Bocce ball. I've heard of it.
Co-host/Commentator
Bocce ball on my rooftop, on my apartment complex.
Brooke
Like, you toss big. These like, big, colorful balls onto, like, a field, and then you try to toss other balls towards the one goes farther.
Jeffrey
And it's an ital in game playing at a German bar, but whatever.
Brooke
Yeah, yeah.
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Brooke
So you said her name was Harper?
Jordy
Yeah, yeah, she was actually a waitress there.
Jeffrey
Oh. Oh.
Brooke
I assumed that she was gonna be, like, playing in the stall next to you or something like that, right?
Jordy
No, no, no, no, no. She was super cute. And, I mean, she was super helpful, too, because I actually had to have this, like, long talk with her to tell her to cut off one of my drunk friends.
Jeffrey
You cut off your friend? Lame.
Co-host/Commentator
You had to do it, like, n. Tell them I told you.
Jeffrey
I'm sure that's happened to you, and you just don't.
Co-host/Commentator
If you have good friends, if anything.
Brooke
Probably makes you look kind of good to her because you seem like a responsible guy.
Jordy
Oh, yeah, exactly. It's like watching Jerry Springer. It's like you look better than those people.
Jeffrey
Oh, can I ask real quick? Was there an indication that she was interested in you? Because cute waitresses get hit on all.
Co-host/Commentator
The time, and they smile and they're do their jobs, and everyone thinks they're getting hit.
Jeffrey
I know.
Brooke
Brooke tries to get them to be the third in her relationship.
Jeffrey
I mean, Harper is a hot name.
Brooke
But again, sorry, that is a conversation for another day. Jordan, tell us. How did you work Harper? That's not the right way.
Co-host/Commentator
Jordan, how did you.
Brooke
How did you get Harper to agree to a date?
Co-host/Commentator
There it is.
Jordy
Well, I just simply asked her on the way out. I was like, look, are you single? And she said, who's asking? And I said, I am.
Jeffrey
Good response.
Jordy
Yeah. And I just said, I'd love to take you out sometime. And she actually gave me her number.
Jeffrey
Oh, dude, if we dial this and it's our loser line.
Co-host/Commentator
Oh, we are on the loser.
Jeffrey
Awesome.
Brooke
Is that your only meetup, or did you guys actually have a date?
Jordy
No, no, we had a date.
Brooke
Okay. Okay, so it is her number.
Co-host/Commentator
Because we all thought, oh, she probably just gave you a number to get ready, Right?
Jeffrey
So what did you do?
Jordy
We went out for drinks, a little food. You know, she looked amazing. I mean, when she was, like, out of her waiter outfit.
Jeffrey
Didn't need to mention the second part.
Brooke
She knows.
Jordy
Yeah, I mean, I did have one embarrassing moment on the date. We tried to order some key char. I said quickie Loran. You know I didn't take French in high school. Like, excuse me.
Co-host/Commentator
Yeah, well, you're also clashing with the bocce ball and the German.
Jeffrey
Don't want to be elitist by being able to say quiche.
Brooke
That's a tough word. What was her reaction?
Jordy
She totally laughed it off. It was a little embarrassing, but after that, like, I think it kind of lightened the mood a little bit. And from there, like, the day was great.
Jeffrey
Especially if you can be self deprecating about it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, it could almost even turn into like your inside joke together.
Brooke
Yeah.
Co-host/Commentator
Oh, let me order the next thing. I speak German and then you just ruin it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jordy
So we actually like kissed at the end of the day, so that was nice. And she was the one who texted me that night saying that she got home safe and that she couldn't wait to see me. So, like, it seems super clear. Right?
Jeffrey
Are you sure you didn't read that wrong too? There's no way to read that wrong.
Jordy
No, no, it was in English, I think.
Brooke
Okay, so you. You've had a solid first date. You kissed her at the end of it, she's the one saying, I can't wait to hang out again.
Jeffrey
And how long has it been?
Jordy
It's been like 10 days or so.
Co-host/Commentator
Well, something must have happened in her life. Like, I already have a feeling this is not your fault.
Jeffrey
Oh, I can see that. Like where? I don't know. Maybe work out crazy or there's a family emergency.
Co-host/Commentator
She rekindled something and was just. Who knows?
Brooke
But what's happened in those 10 days? That's a long time. Have you asked her? Like, what have you done?
Jordy
Yeah, I mean, there was one time where I thought one date was going to work, but then she asked about a different date, so I don't know.
Jeffrey
Okay, so yeah, hot bocce ball player came into her work.
Jordy
Might be.
Brooke
Okay, well, we can reach out to Harper for you and see if she agrees to going out with you one more time. If not, then you might have a backup option because Brooke and her husband, you know.
Jeffrey
But in the meantime, Jeffrey is not online.
Brooke
Oh, that's right.
Jeffrey
Yeah, we only like the online one.
Brooke
Yeah, you need to be able to keep some distance.
Jeffrey
Yeah.
Brooke
Sorry. But you know what? We'll work on Harper first and try and get you your second date update right after this second date update. We're in the middle of a second date update with our listener, Jordy. And Jordy likes cute waitresses at German bocce ball bars. He likes to mispronounce quiche Lorraine just to seem vulnerable and flawed.
Jeffrey
How did he say it? Kiki, Somehow.
Brooke
Yeah, something you said. Quickie. What did you say, Jordyn?
Jordy
I said quickie. Loran.
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Brooke
Loran.
Jeffrey
Which is.
Brooke
And he really likes to receive texts saying, I can't wait to see you again, because that's exactly what his date Harper said to him after they went out. So why is she not jumping at the chance to hang out again?
Jeffrey
Yeah, she's the one that said she wanted to.
Brooke
Jordi, you think there's another guy who mispronounces French words even worse than you do? Maybe that's her thing.
Jordy
Yeah, maybe.
Jeffrey
Yeah.
Co-host/Commentator
Yeah, he tried to order me a quabernet savignon.
Brooke
Oh, go.
Jeffrey
Oh, yeah.
Brooke
That's hot.
Jeffrey
Yeah. I don't even know how you mispronounce du jour.
Jordy
Yeah.
Co-host/Commentator
How do you do it so much?
Jeffrey
You can't mispronounce it.
Jordy
I mean, look, Harper's a really cute waitress. She probably has a lot of guys asking her out.
Jeffrey
Oh, my God. I bet she's saying no 50 times.
Co-host/Commentator
A day like every other table.
Jeffrey
It's so annoying. But that's why you're so special, is that she said yes to you and you guys had a great date and.
Co-host/Commentator
She went out and she said she loved you.
Jordy
Yeah, but, like, look, guys, if that's it, if that's the thing where she has another guy, like, just convince her that I'm a good guy.
Brooke
Oh, okay.
Jeffrey
She thinks that already, you know, in the five minutes we've spent with you. Totally will vouch for you.
Harper
Thank you.
Jeffrey
You're welcome.
Co-host/Commentator
Like a good guy. I mean, honestly, not even kidding.
Brooke
Yeah, a lot of good guys insist how good they are.
Jeffrey
That's right.
Co-host/Commentator
Okay, maybe that is a red flag.
Brooke
So I'm. We're just going to trust you on that and we're going to call Harper. Let's see if she answers.
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Jeffrey
All right.
Brooke
I don't know you. I mean, you seem nice from a little bit. We've spoken.
Co-host/Commentator
Okay, you just stay where you're at, though, buddy.
Brooke
We don't know you.
Jeffrey
Yeah, let's get her on the phone.
Brooke
Here we go.
Harper
Hello?
Brooke
Hey, is this Harper?
Harper
Yeah, who's calling?
Brooke
We're a radio show calling called Brooke and Jeffrey in the morning.
Jeffrey
Hi.
Co-host/Commentator
Good Morning.
Jeffrey
Hi, Harper.
Brooke
That half of the room isn't very excited to talk to you, obviously, but.
Jeffrey
I don't think she's excited to talk to us.
Brooke
This half of the room is very confused.
Jeffrey
Just don't want to come in too hot.
Harper
Jeff, what are you calling for?
Jeffrey
See?
Brooke
Yeah, we're working. Yeah, this is. This is something we do called the second date update. And one of our listeners named Jordy asked us to reach out to you.
Jeffrey
Ringing bells, I said o.
Harper
What do you want me to say?
Brooke
You remember Jordy? Okay, we're just trying to help him out because according to Jordy, he says he's been putting in a lot of effort trying to figure out a good time that would work for you to meet up just because he felt like you guys bonded, connected.
Jeffrey
Is it just something where the schedules aren't aligning?
Harper
No, there was just like a lot of effort. That's kind of a problem.
Jeffrey
What?
Brooke
Too much effort?
Jeffrey
What do you mean?
Brooke
Yeah, can you elaborate?
Harper
I mean, like, on the surface, when I met him, like, I was working and then we went and hung out and like, he was a good guy and. Well, that's kind of like what I was looking for.
Jeffrey
Yeah, like he's what you were looking for. I mean.
Harper
Yeah, like, I thought so.
Jeffrey
Okay, so what changed?
Harper
So we hung out and it. It wasn't until after that I realized something was off.
Jeffrey
What?
Harper
Like, I had every intention to go out again.
Brooke
Okay, okay, what's the problem?
Co-host/Commentator
Is this something about him?
Harper
Yeah, he gave me three options to hang out all in a row. Like Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Like, why is he so available?
Jeffrey
What?
Co-host/Commentator
Wait, what do you.
Brooke
Hold on.
Co-host/Commentator
Did he want a three day date or he was just like, pick a day and we can do that one?
Harper
No, he was like, these are all the days that I'm available. And I have this belief, me and my friends do, that there's a guy between the age 24 and 32 ish. If they have that much time to hang out, it really means that he's a loser.
Brooke
Loser.
Jeffrey
Yikes.
Brooke
You're calling him a loser because he gave you multiple options of times where he wants to hang out because he likes you.
Harper
Yeah, because like they're all in a row and it's like he should be grinding away, planning for his future, maybe not working or like working on a promotion or getting somewhere.
Jeffrey
Maybe he is like, in my mind, you're a waitress. So he's probably just trying to give you options because it's probably hard to align schedules. Like, he probably figures you work on the weekends.
Harper
I mean, that sounds like an excuse he'd use.
Brooke
I guess it sounds like he's doing it for you. Because nowadays we hear from a lot of women who tell us guys don't put in enough effort. They want the easy thing. They don't really care. Yeah, Jordy sounds like the total opposite. Like he's willing to do whatever just.
Jeffrey
To see you plans the other days that you say you can't.
Harper
Yeah, but he didn't say that. He was like, I'm wide open. And I'm like, well, what else are you doing with your life? Just pursuing me.
Jeffrey
Okay. What?
Co-host/Commentator
Okay, sadly, this makes sense, but doesn't mean we agree with it.
Jeffrey
I don't know that it does make sense to me. He's not a loser. Like, you liked him. You liked everything about him. You said that he checked all your boxes. Basically, yeah.
Harper
I mean, he did. He actually had decent hygiene, which, See?
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Jeffrey
But a big box.
Brooke
But he's too available for you.
Jeffrey
Maybe that's why his hygiene is so good. He has got time for it.
Co-host/Commentator
He showers daily.
Jeffrey
I mean, I get. You don't want to date someone who wants to hang out every single day. Sometimes, like, they need to have a life.
Brooke
Well, sure.
Jeffrey
Oh, yeah.
Harper
And especially in the beginning, getting to know who they are. And it just seems like he's just wide open to do whatever, and we're trying to build who we are as people.
Jeffrey
What would you want his response to be when you say, hey, I can't wait to see you again? What should he have written back to you?
Harper
He shouldn't have. He should have just let me hang for a bit.
Brooke
Okay, now that was a red flag.
Jeffrey
Okay, well, it's kind of like a game.
Brooke
I don't. I don't even want to tell you this because. Oh, no, it's not that. He's, like, super available to talk to you at any time. That's not what this is.
Jeffrey
He was so busy. It's like we had to call him so many times to be able to.
Brooke
Do this just in the middle of his extremely hectic day. He's taken a little bit of time to jump on the phone right now to talk to you because Jordy's there.
Jordy
Hey, Harper.
Harper
Oh, so you've been on the phone.
Brooke
Just a little bit.
Jordy
Yeah, just a little bit.
Brooke
It's like, barely.
Jordy
I heard you call me a loser who has too much time on his hands.
Harper
Well, yeah. They asked me to be honest. And I was honest. They asked me.
Jordy
What was that?
Jeffrey
I mean, that's What Jordy wanted, he.
Co-host/Commentator
Wanted to know he did want.
Jordy
So you think I'm a loser because I want to go out a second time? Like that part doesn't make any sense.
Jeffrey
It's just.
Harper
It's just a little red flaggy to be able to hang out three nights in a row. And like, my perfect guy would never do that. He shouldn't have all the time in the world for me, you know?
Jeffrey
I'm sorry, my perfect guy shouldn't have all the time in the world?
Jordy
To be totally clear, I didn't want to hang out with you three nights in a row. I gave you three options.
Harper
You're just being a little way too chill at this time of your life. You know, now's the time to work hard and we're going to chill later.
Jeffrey
Yeah, well, girl, you're serving steins in a German bar. Like, I mean, I'm just saying, she probably makes more than I do here. Yeah, well, it's just like, what are you doing to do the same thing?
Harper
Well, you don't even know me, so how about you shut your mouth?
Co-host/Commentator
Yeah, Brooke, shut your mouth.
Brooke
Michael, who are you complaining about people bringing you alcohol out of anybody in this room?
Jeffrey
I think being a server is a great job, but she's like expecting him to like do all these big great things. Like what are you doing to plan.
Brooke
For your future, stay in your lane and keep not tipping people after they.
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Jeffrey
I just like, I hate when people do that.
Brooke
This is about Jordy. Jordy, she's concerned that you're too free and you're too available. Prove to her that that's not true.
Jeffrey
You're busy.
Brooke
Show how busy and how. How much you got going on.
Jeffrey
Tell her you don't want to date.
Jordy
Yeah, I mean, it sounds would be more attractive to you. I mean, I. I just don't understand why you want to play these games. Like we met in real life. I thought you were a good person.
Co-host/Commentator
Okay, that's actually a point.
Brooke
And how busy are you right now?
Jordy
I mean, I. I'm kind of busy. I'm not totally busy. I mean.
Brooke
You'Re super busy, right? Slam.
Jordy
Okay, like, look, I'm looking to get busier.
Co-host/Commentator
Right?
Jeffrey
See?
Harper
Red flaggy much?
Jeffrey
I think he sounds like a nice guy.
Brooke
That's not what she wants. She doesn't want that, Brooke.
Jeffrey
But you wanted that night.
Jordy
Look, look, Harper, let's rewind. Pretend I didn't call you for two weeks. Are you turned on now?
Harper
It hasn't been two weeks. It's only been 10 days.
Jeffrey
Harper.
Harper
I mean, the reality is, you sent me a lot of freaking texts with, like, a lot of freaking dates, and now you have me on a radio show.
Co-host/Commentator
Yeah, it does look bad.
Jeffrey
Gives her the ick, huh?
Co-host/Commentator
It's pretty bad.
Brooke
You know what? The thing is, we made him do it.
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Co-host/Commentator
We got all the time in the world.
Brooke
He didn't even want to be here.
Jeffrey
He didn't have time to. No.
Brooke
But he was kind enough to take a little bit of time out to do this with us. Just so that I could ask you if you would like to see Jordy one more time, and we would pay for that date. I don't even know if he's free. Honestly, Jordy, are you even free?
Jordy
Not anymore. I'm all booked up for a while now.
Jeffrey
Finally, he got it.
Brooke
I'm sorry.
Co-host/Commentator
She's like, so I'll see you next weekend.
Harper
I mean, I'm not really into these games that he's playing with me, and I'm not gonna fall for it now.
Co-host/Commentator
You don't like the game?
Jordy
Look in the mirror. Sweet.
Brooke
Oh, God. Talking like Brooke now, this is not good. Okay, you know what? No second date, all right?
Co-host/Commentator
We are not tipping them either.
Brooke
This is going bad.
Podcast Narrator
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Brooke
Got a text into 78592 that says, with that outlook, I hope she's ready to die alone.
Jeffrey
Oh my God. I mean, honestly, I think she just doesn't actually want a boyfriend.
Brooke
Yeah.
Jeffrey
You know, like everybody's saying that she's like looking. She says she's looking for something, but she found it.
Co-host/Commentator
Because what she just wants to be wanted.
Brooke
And the outlook that I think they're referring to is the theory that if a guy says he's available to hang out with you multiple nights in a row, that means he's a loser and must have absolutely nothing going on.
Co-host/Commentator
Can I correct that? Because when girls try to hang out with me and I tell them I'm sorry, I got two jobs, I'm streaming video games every single night. It also deters them.
Jeffrey
Yeah.
Brooke
It also matters what you're busy doing.
Jeffrey
I got my DND club on Friday and Saturday night, so I can't hang.
Co-host/Commentator
Out, but I make tons of money. Hello, hello?
Jeffrey
Hello?
Brooke
Guys, just give me give up. It's going to be easier if you just quit because actually they're going to feel more attracted to you that you've given up on them.
Jeffrey
Really hard to not define all women based on her. Yeah, I mean, just too late.
Brooke
She speaks for all women and now we know how it works.
Jeffrey
Hey, I just got canceled on my.
Podcast Narrator
Two guys.
Brooke
Who saw that coming. But you know what? If you need help with your dating life, go ahead, email the show. We'll call that person who isn't calling you back. And go check out all of our podcasts. We are the home of the second Date Update wherever you get yours at.
Jeffrey
Brooke and Jeffrey Brooke and Jeffrey in.
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Brooke
What a matchup we got y'.
Jeffrey
All.
Brooke
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Date: November 24, 2025
Hosts: Brooke & Jeffrey, featuring show commentators/co-hosts
Guest participants: Jordy (listener seeking the second date), Harper (his recent date)
In this episode of "Second Date Update," listener Jordy seeks help from Brooke & Jeffrey to understand why he was ghosted by Harper, a waitress he met and felt a connection with after a promising first date. The show dives into generational dating red flags, expectations around availability, and the games people play in modern romance—delivering both awkward laughs and candid insights into why some connections inexplicably fizzle.
On Modern Dating Double Standards
On ‘Playing Games’
Host Reactions (Lighthearted and Wry)
This episode stands out for its exploration of modern dating contradictions—“effort” vs. “try-hard,” “being available” vs. “too available,” and the generational or social media-driven mindsets that turn simple courtship into a psychological labyrinth. Both hosts and guests acknowledge how confusing these rules can be, leaving listeners questioning which “red flags” truly matter.