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Anna Kai
Welcome to Brutally Anna, a podcast about finding love, losing love, and all the things we think about but don't talk about enough. I'm your host, Anna Kai, AKA maybe both across social media, here to remind you that life can be beautiful even when it's freaking brutal. He's the Internet's gay bestie, star of Bravo's Real Friends of WeHo, and is always there to remind us in the smokiest and sexiest of voices that what is coming for us is always better than what has left us. Our guest today, Joey Zauczig, carved a career for himself, first in fashion and then transitioned to the dating skinti recipe guru we could all use a little more of in our lives. Thanks so much for being here. I am so excited to talk to you, Joey.
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Joey Zauczig
I'm so excited. You're like, so much hotter in person. I'm dying. Seriously, I'm so excited to be here. So thanks for having me. And you did your research. You know the beginning to end already. Like, that's probably the best intro I've ever had on a podcast.
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Anna Kai
Oh, I'm honored. That's so flattering to me. I know. Your first viral post was a pair of sunglasses.
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Joey Zauczig
Yes.
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Anna Kai
And I tried to. You have a lot of. I was like, I tried to find it and I was like, I'm just gonna have him tell me about it.
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Joey Zauczig
But I have a lot of posts.
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Anna Kai
You have a lot of posts. You've been in this for a long time.
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Joey Zauczig
Six and a half years. Full time influencer.
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Anna Kai
Which is wild because you've gone through it. But before that, I want to talk about your childhood because you are so. Joey. You have so much personality, but you grew up in Fairfax, Virginia, which is like, what the opposite I think of. So can you tell me a little bit about your childhood? I know you were always getting sent to detention because you couldn't follow dress code.
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Joey Zauczig
Yes.
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Anna Kai
But like, what was that like? I mean, it couldn't have been easy.
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah, I mean, I think growing up, I was always myself, but I think I was like a shell of myself because I was always trying to figure out who I was. My parents got divorced when I was so young. And that really affected me because I think I had to be like the quote unquote man. I'm like me saying man, as I'm like doing like gay air quotes, like for my mom.
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Anna Kai
You're a gay man.
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Joey Zauczig
That doesn' that doesn't mean you're proud, baby. But I think that really affected me. And then going to a Catholic school and just being made fun of for being gay before I really knew what I was because I've always had this voice. I've always been very outgoing and flamboyant and handsy. Like, I think that.
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Anna Kai
That you were born gay.
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Joey Zauczig
I was born gay, babe. As Lady Gaga says, I was born this way, bitch. And I think that people really kind of like, took that and ran with it. And that was kind of how I was labeled. And that was always really tough for me to work through. Cause I tried to not be that. And then cut to, like 11th grade, I came out and was finally able to be like myself. And that was when I really, like, came into my own and became the best version of myself.
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Anna Kai
What was that whole coming out process like? And why did you decide to come out? Did you come out to everyone or just your friends, not your family?
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Joey Zauczig
Well, this is really fucked up. Actually, my coming out story was actually I told. Because I was in so much therapy for my family's. For my parents divorce. And I told my therapist and my therapist told my mom and that's how I came out.
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Anna Kai
Wait, that is. I just like literally ate this mic. That is like, not that. Isn't that like a HIPAA violation?
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah, yeah, I was really fudged up. And then my mom told my dad it was kind of a trickle effect. Thank God. Like, I'm very lucky they didn't. They were.
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Anna Kai
They still loved you, of course.
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Joey Zauczig
Like, they didn't kick me out.
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Anna Kai
Which, by the way, not everyone is so lucky.
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Joey Zauczig
No, a lot of people, you know, do that and get disowned so my parents were very accepting and like, they kind of like knew. But I was also having girlfriends. They were like, what's going on? But they were very okay. But I was, you know, now I don't trust a therapist at all. Like, so it was a definitely very unconventional coming out story. But I was happy that it happened because once I did that, I came out, it was like a free for all bitch. I was like out in D.C. and I was coming out to everyone in my life. Like, it was insane. And I had a really good time after that and I think I really came into my own. But, you know, the journey of finding yourself is always a long one and I'm still figuring it out. And I think that every part of my life, like my parents divorce, my coming out, my first long term boyfriend breakup, now I'm going through something similar. Like I think all those things that I went through, like super hard times in my life always created and made something so much bigger happen. And I'm like living proof. So that's why I give this advice. Because of the like childhood experiences and all the bad things that happened.
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Anna Kai
That is so. I mean, you're so positive. But I love how blunt you are. And I think that's what I appreciate most about your advice because you don't sugarcoat things, you know, And I just feel like I knew that had to have come from somewhere. And especially like, even how you look today. Like, I feel like I've seen photos of you from when you were in high school. You just look like a different person. Like everything, I mean, you're jacked. So there's that. You're like a skinny kid in high school. You're like kind of gangly looking cause you're very tall. And so all of that, like the glow up is amazing. And I think if given the choice between, you know, peaking in high school, which obviously some people do, like, you ever. Did you go to your high school reunion or have you seen people from high school since?
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Joey Zauczig
No one invited me, bitch. So I'm like, I didn't even know we were having. I'm not sure if we had one.
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Anna Kai
Okay.
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Joey Zauczig
Because I think it would have been during COVID Wait. Yeah, 10 year high school reunion would.
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Anna Kai
Have been during COVID Okay. All right. So you're a little younger than me. Mine was right before COVID Mine was 2019. I did.
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Joey Zauczig
What was it like?
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Anna Kai
You know what it was. I was still drinking then and I got completely smashed off of. But it was really fun. And you know what it Was actually really interesting to see the guys that. The one takeaway I remember, because so much of the night was a blur, was that, like, there were so many, like, guys that I kind of, like, wrote off, you know, unfairly as meatheads in high school. Cause they were wrestlers and football players and whatever. And they were all just so put together. They were, like, married. One of them was, like, an anesthesiologist. He had, like, a family in Maryland. And I was like, go, you. And it was just actually so refreshing to see that because, you know, you kind of go to your high school reunion, and you're like, oh, what's everyone? And I grew up in a very, very small town in Pennsylvania. And so a lot of people also ended up marry from high school, which is really interesting.
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Joey Zauczig
That's what always happens. It's always the people that peaked early, and then they, like, stay in their.
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Anna Kai
Hometown and they're happy. Which is great, because I think in so many ways, I'm like, you're probably a lot more content with your life than I am. Like, I've always been chasing something same. And I'm like, in so many. I love my life, but I'm like, there are so many moments where, like, I'm really screwed up in so many ways for, you know, going after. I'm like, you seem so happy. So, I mean, did you date a guy in high school then? Because 11th grade. It's Cuspy.
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah. I think that my first boyfriend. I mean, I was definitely starting to hook up with people during then, but my first boyfriend. Boyfriend was in, like, my first or second year of college, and he lived in New York, and I was going back and forth to New York, and it was like, how did you meet him? We met. Okay, so this is crazy, but we were on set of a movie. I was an extra, and this movie on HBO called the Normal Heart with Mark Ruffalo. And I was, like, an extra on the movie. And we met on Fire island, and it was just like, things just kind of really, like, snowballed fast. And I went back to college when I was in New York every weekend. And, like, that was my first relationship. And it ended up being really toxic. Super abusive. Like, he was really physically abusive. Like, I didn't know if that was normal or not because it was my first relationship. It was really bad. Learned a lot, moved to New York. We moved in together. Did not last more than, like, three months. And I got out of it. And it was easy for me because I think I was, like, growing so much at the time, and my heart.
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Unnamed Guest
Was out of it. But I thought that was my end all, be all. I thought he was, like, the love of my life.
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Anna Kai
Right. I mean, at that age. How old were you? 20?
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Joey Zauczig
21. 23. 23 when I broke up. So, yeah. And then I had boyfriends after that. Every. I had, like, a boyfriend.
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Anna Kai
Like, you couldn't stay single?
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Joey Zauczig
No. So that. Yeah. So, no. Like, that was, like, the craziest time for me. And I. But, like, that's what my career really took off, to be honest. When I was in New York and after that breakup, like, I was not down in the dumps. Like, I was kind of, like, my heart was already out of it. And then my career, just, like, that's when, like, the whole influencer thing popped off for me.
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Anna Kai
It's interesting because you moved to New York to work in fashion.
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah.
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Anna Kai
You were at Tommy Hilfiger.
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Joey Zauczig
That was my last job at Tommy Hilfiger. Yeah.
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Anna Kai
Yeah. And did you think that was it for you when you. Because you also went to school in Virginia, which is interesting because you were like, okay, well, this is not my home, but I'm just going to continue going to college here.
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah.
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Anna Kai
And then did you move to New York straight after, after graduation?
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah, I graduated in three and a half years because I wanted to get out. And I was having internships ever every summer at fashion labels, at designers. Yeah. Like kcd, which is a huge, like, PR agency. So, like, I worked at, like, G Funchi one summer. I worked for, like, Victoria Beckham one summer. So I had, like, all of these internships. And then I got a job offer. Like, before I graduated, I was like, I gotta get to New York if I have this job offer. So I literally graduated, moved to New York, and, like, moved in with that boyfriend at the time.
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Anna Kai
Right. Because you're like, I have no money.
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah. Yeah. Well, he didn't either.
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Unnamed Guest
Well, he did, but we, like, split.
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Joey Zauczig
Rent and, like, I had to pay for everything myself. It was a crazy time for me because I was so poor and, like, we lived in this, like, shithole. Like, it was crazy.
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Anna Kai
Where did you live with?
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Joey Zauczig
Well, we lived in Tribeca. And it sounds nice, but it wasn't like the nice Tribeca. It was like, more Fidi. And before that, during the summers when I was interning, I lived with, like, 15 girls and John street and Financial District.
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Unnamed Guest
So I learned.
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Joey Zauczig
I went from, like, I lived in every little aspect and neighborhood in New York because I had my come up in New York of, like, getting money and like, you know, my success started there. But like, you know, working in fashion for me, I really quickly realized I didn't want to be behind the scenes. And I realized that, like, these bitches are crazy. Like, there was, like, there was too much going on. Like, everyone, everything was an emergency. And it was like, I'm like, these are just clothes.
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Unnamed Guest
And I realized I wanted to be the star. I was like, I want to be famous. I don't want to be behind the scenes, to be checking people in. I want to be checked in.
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Joey Zauczig
Like, I, I really realized that, so I made it happen. And I, you know, I got a job at Tommy Hilfiger after working for like Givenchy and like high brand labels. And it was my first in house. I had no business being there because it was like four steps up. But I did a really good job in the role. So it was hard to like, make the transition. And my parents were obviously pissed because it's like, it was my first like six figure, like, and like when I first moved to New York, I was making 30k, like, for a salary.
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Unnamed Guest
Like, that's crazy.
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Anna Kai
I know.
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Joey Zauczig
And you know, my parents, like, you're gonna leave that stability. But they weren't helping me, so they didn't have a say. So I left. And then it just kind of like worked out.
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Anna Kai
You just really took a chance on yourself. You know what it is about you too that I just, and I've said this, but it's. You're so honest. Like, I think it's so hard for people to even be like, oh, I wanted to be famous, like, that phrase. And I've heard you say this on another interview before that influen influencers like ourselves have such a hard time with the word influencer. Nobody wants to say I'm an influencer because for some reason it's like a cringe word. And I feel that, like, I don't know why. I'm just like, oh, I don't. I'm a content creator. But then the problem is nobody knows what the a content creator is outside of this world. So you go to a party with people with like, you know, corporate jobs and like, what do you do? I'm like a content creator. They're like, I'm like, influencer. Oh, okay. What is that? Why do you think people are so afraid of using the word influencer or saying they want to be famous? And you were just like, no, I want to be a star. Yeah, because that's what a lot of us felt, but still don't want to admit.
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah, I think it took me a long time to like be able to comfortably say that because you feel the judgment. But right now in my life, I feel like I've. I'm going through a really big transition and I feel like I've learned to see kind of not the mistakes I've made, but just the fact that I've been trying to please the wrong people for a really long time and trying to stay in a box and try to like make people see me in a different light. And it's always people that really don't deserve that time and attention from me. And now I'm just like, that is who I am. And like, that is my truth. I always did want to be famous. I always did want to do. What I didn't realize is that I think what really fuels me is helping people and being able to like make a difference. And when people come up to me in public, getting that recognition of you helped me through a breakup or like, you have no idea how much you helped me. Like, you helped me move to LA.
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Unnamed Guest
I lost 30 pounds. Like the craziest stuff, that's what hits me. And like, it's not necessarily about the fame, but it's about being recognized for something. And like, I do like that. So I think that like the influencer.
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Joey Zauczig
World, I'm gonna probably get in trouble for saying this, but I don't care. Like, I think that because not every influencer is the same and there is influencers that I think for me and you, I can speak on this. Like, we have businesses and we're hustlers. Like we really do look at this as a real full time 9 to 5 job. We're not having like lunches and partying during the weekday. We're really like constantly 24,7 on thinking about the next thing, thinking about what.
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Unnamed Guest
We want to do next. A lot of influencers and people that.
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Joey Zauczig
Go to decide to be influencers because they have a lot of followers, they think that it's like going to be this open ended thing where they have their own schedule and they get to.
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Unnamed Guest
Do whatever they want. They can have lunch with their girlfriends and they can go out. And then like when you have a business you realize that like it's the opposite. Like you really have to work hard at this and it's a really tough job. Just like a lot of nine to fives are too. There's no difference.
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Joey Zauczig
Like, and I think that a lot of influencers that don't do it like us have given it a bad name. Because you could know influencers that aren't really necessarily doing the same thing. And they're like, kind of like taking.
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Unnamed Guest
Pictures of their salad and they're like, good to go for the day. Like, they're not really.
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Joey Zauczig
You know, it's like there's. And that's what people see. And that's kind of the frustrating part about the phrase because people think that it's just like that and it's. It's not. Not every influencer is created equally. We all do different stuff and, you know, it's a job that should be respected.
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Anna Kai
Well, it's also, it's a massive industry. It's like, it's a billion dollar industry that is still somewhat not recognized as being legit, which is so interesting. And so you're right. I mean, and just like, there's quote unquote bad apples in any career.
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Joey Zauczig
There's definitely some bad apples.
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Anna Kai
And influencing, though. I don't know if you remember that German wings plane crash where I think the pilot commits suicide and crashed the whole commercial airline into a flight. And they were like, oh, well, that's just giving, you know, that's a bad apple. Giving like all pilots or whatever or the flight industry a bad name. I'm like, yeah, but I'm sorry, there cannot be any bad apples in aviation. There's just can't, like, you know, we.
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Joey Zauczig
Can'T take that risk.
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Anna Kai
We can't take that risk, babe.
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Joey Zauczig
Not for me.
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Anna Kai
There can be bad apples in influencing because, like, at the end of the day, no one dies. But I was like, that's, that's an industry where you really should just have really, really good, solidly mentally stable.
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Joey Zauczig
It's true, it's true. And like, for influencers, it can be whatever. And like some of us aren't. It depends. Everyone has a different niche. And like, it's the end of advertising. Like, that's at the end of the day, that's what it is. It's advertising. And we're doing like the jobs that used to be commercials. Like, it's ever evolving. I think there's a lot more to be said about it. Like, there's a lot more to do with it. I think that we're just not in the beginning, but I, I think a lot of people love to hate on it and can't wait for it to go away, but there's gonna be another variation of it, as there always is. And like, you know, I also think that like, a lot of people blew up on TikTok and stuff and decided that, like, they're gonna leave their nine.
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Unnamed Guest
To five and be influencers.
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Joey Zauczig
And then they get into the job.
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Unnamed Guest
And they quickly realize it's tough.
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Joey Zauczig
And then instead of stopping, because, like, I think they make the money, they just complain about it. And I'm like, well, that's what you signed up for. Like, you don't go into being an influencer thinking it's easy because it's not like it's a job. Like, everything. Yes, you do get to decide, like, how hard it is because it's about how hard you work. But that's another pressure you put on yourself. You also have to worry about all the rinky dinks in the peanut gallery always talking shit. Like, you know, like, everyone's misconceptions about you, everyone's opinions. Like, it's not for the faint of heart.
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Anna Kai
No. And you also. You're not only an influencer, you also went on reality tv, which also, I think, subjects you to a whole other level of scrutiny.
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah.
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Anna Kai
Your followers are all up in your business.
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Joey Zauczig
Oh, yeah.
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Anna Kai
Like, they know everything about your life that people that maybe you haven't even, like, talked publicly about.
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah.
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Anna Kai
But when they know everything, oh, they know everything. And I was like, this is honestly, like, your subreddit is way more informational than any article that has ever been published about you. Because your followers. And, like, they're so great. I think they love you. But they. I was like, wow, this is. I don't even know this much about my own damn life. And they're like, well, I think this happened. And I was like, this is great. So it's. It's kind of cool because you have this community that really feels like they know you, but it's also another level of just odd, because here's the thing. It's like, I. Then you had a really, really horrifying incident happen to you a couple months ago. You were the victim of a home invasion. And, like, not just any kind of home invasion. They were armed. And I feel like the part of being an influencer that I struggle with is being in the public and not having privacy anymore. And can you just walk us through what happened that night and how you felt? I mean, I remember watching your video about it, and it's just. And I saw the surveillance footage. It's horrifying. It's my worst nightmare.
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah, well, you know, first, I think it's like. Like you said, like, you really open your life up to everybody on these platforms when you become an influencer and, you know, the public Persona, which Is something like I said earlier, I want it. I love that. I love, like, you know, that kind of stuff until something like the home invasion happens and it kind of makes you pull back and it's really hard. And you know, I was in Cabo posting up a storm and like, like I always do on vacation. And you know, I think I've been in this momentum because, you know, like, in our industry you have ebbs and flows. And I've been in this flow and like having this momentum of like gaining so many followers, especially on Instagram, like daily. And it's exciting because you see the numbers rise. And yes, we give a fuck about the numbers. Like, you can't lie about that. It makes you feel good.
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Anna Kai
It's a drug.
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Joey Zauczig
It's a drug. It's a drug. But it also gives you the motivation to keep going. What you don't realize is within those numbers, not every person is good and not every person that's watching you wants the best for you.
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Anna Kai
Oh, I have so many hate follows.
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Joey Zauczig
And you get the hate follows. But then there's people that are watching you for the wrong reasons. And. And what I realized is that these people that came to my house were watching me and I was doing these lives in my closet and I was doing these things. So on my street I have like three celebrities. There has not been a break in, in my street in 30 years because there's live security. Like people that. There's literally full time security in my neighborhood. So they have been watching me. They thought I was in Cabo. I ended up coming home a day early. I don't even know how much they were. Were they listening to my radio show where I said I was coming back Monday instead of Sunday. They knew the details. So, you know, we come home a day early. I don't post about being home because we get home really late. We go to bed at like 9:30. And you know when you go like, you hear something in your house and it's usually. It's always nothing, but you get up and check. You check your camera.
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Anna Kai
It's like your dryer or something.
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah.
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Unnamed Guest
And it's never anything that happens to.
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Joey Zauczig
Me all the time. I always check my cameras. Never has it ever been anything. This night I got up, did my little routine, checked out the window, didn't see anything, went to bed, and then I was like, should I check the cameras?
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Unnamed Guest
It's usually nothing. I was exhausted because we traveled that day.
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Joey Zauczig
I was like, I'm gonna check the cameras. I go on the cameras and Lo and behold, there's. They had just broken the big glass and it's three guys with like guns and like masks. And I was like, what do I do? Have you ever spotted McDonald's hot crispy.
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Unnamed Guest
Fries right as they're being scooped into the carton?
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Joey Zauczig
And time just stands still. Welcome to the White Lotus in Thailand. It's a wellness center. You should get a facial. The lady in the airport thought you were my dad.
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Anna Kai
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Joey Zauczig
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Anna Kai
I'm a little freaked out. What happens in Thailand stays entitled. What does that mean?
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Joey Zauczig
It means we're not done yet. Amen.
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Unnamed Guest
Amen.
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Anna Kai
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Joey Zauczig
This has happened a lot in LA, so I've always had like an escape plan for if anyone ever got into the house and we were there. I don't know what to do. So I run to the top of the stairs and I'm like, get the out you boy.
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Anna Kai
Which by the way was the opposite of what I would have done. I would have hidden in a closet somewhere.
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Joey Zauczig
I was like, angry. I'm like, get the out. Like, move.
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Unnamed Guest
Like, I was like, I'm gonna you up.
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Joey Zauczig
And they're like this, like, I don't know what happened, but I. We have these sliding. The. The alarm didn't go up because they use this device to break the glass. It doesn't set off.
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Anna Kai
You don't have a glass break sensor.
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Joey Zauczig
We do. We use devices now. There's a way to break the glass so it doesn't break, doesn't set off the brake. Glass break sensor. It's weird.
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Anna Kai
It's horrifying.
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Joey Zauczig
And there's like this thing that electronically. It's really weird. I have chills. So I set off the alarm by pulling the thing in the primary bed, pulling the. Opening the doors in the primary bedroom. And I'm like, I call the police. And the helicopters and police cars get there in like five minutes. Cut to. There's like a day later. It's like New York Post, New York Times, Joey Zazig's house, blah, blah. It's my name everywhere. Someone took a video of me talking to the police. This is like at midnight. And submitted it to like tmz, which I'm like, like, how. Who was that? That. So probably the biggest breach of privacy that I've ever had since I've been doing this. It's a really weird feeling and it's really, it's still really tough to. I haven't recovered from it. I'm not normal. I'm not back to the same. And to sit here and be like, yeah, it's something that happened to me and, like, act like I've learned from whatever, like, it's still, like, really fucked me up. And I don't know, I think a lot of people that have gone through it have said, you're gonna, it's gonna take a really long time to heal from it. And, you know, I'm healing. But I think talking to you, you'll understand this. Like, for our jobs. I don't think the people realize what it takes to go on and share and what it takes to be authentic. Because being authentic is supposed to be easy, right? It's not like being authentic takes a lot of. A lot out of you. It does. And that's, that's just the truth. So when you are going through a hard time, first of all, you can't just talk about this every day and all the time, but, like, it's hard to go on and just go back to your normal content creation and going back to creating. And it's, you know, historically, it's been really hard for me to take a break. And, you know, I have been struggling a lot lately, and I haven't even talked about this with, like, my followers. Like, the break in has me. It really broke me and I'm still broken from it. And every day I struggle more than I've ever struggled in my life from that. Like, it's just my heart's broken. I feel, like, really violated. I feel scared everywhere I go. Like, not even just at my home. The second the sun goes down, I feel like. Like it's gonna be happening again. Everything I post on the Internet right now, I feel like someone's watching because they are. Because I don't know the hundreds of thousands of people that are watching my stuff, I don't know who they are. And I always feel like now there's somebody that is watching me for the wrong reasons, and that's hard to get over. And I don't know the answer and I don't know the solution. And I'm trying my best to owe it to my audience, who I love so much because they're so dialed in. And so maybe this podcast right now is me finally talking about the fact that I am having a really hard time getting back into what I've been doing for the past six years. And that's a really difficult feeling because I feel Like, I'm letting everyone down.
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Anna Kai
Which, by the way, you are not. Because here's the thing is I watched that video right after it happened, the day after you posted about the home invasion. And I have seen your content since then. And the fact that. Guys, this is Joey met me at 8:00am all right? So we're. We're recording at 8:00am and I said. Sent him that time, thinking he was never gonna take it. And he's like, I love it. We'll do it.
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Joey Zauczig
Let's go.
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Anna Kai
We'll do it. And so the fact that life is not about not struggling. Life is about the meaning we find in struggle. And because you've been on this journey with your audience for six years, I mean, something was bound to happen. You can't just be happy and healed all the time. Okay. You're the.
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Joey Zauczig
It's so nice to hear from you, because that's been the struggle. I give that advice all the time. And I think I've never talked about this, and it sounds really bad, but. But what you just said, when you think something in your head, it's really nice to hear it out loud, because not everyone thinks that way, but that's the truth.
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Anna Kai
They're like, oh, well, you need to be this person. You need to be strong and stop.
- [27:25]
Joey Zauczig
It, and you can't always be. And I think in the back of my mind, I'm like, what is gonna be the thing that happens? Cause I knew it wasn't gonna be pretty. Pretty happy. Happy for the long haul. And part of me, as fucked up as it sounds, was a little ready for. To go through a hard time again. Because I know I'm strong enough to get through it, and I know it makes me better, and I know it. What comes from this is, like, extreme growth as a human. And I think I needed a little bit of that. Did I think it would be.
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Anna Kai
Did you think it was gonna be a home invasion? Home invasion?
- [27:59]
Joey Zauczig
No, not this dramatic, but it's been.
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Unnamed Guest
That's been the really hard part is.
- [28:05]
Joey Zauczig
It'S like, I've never been through something like this. And the period of time that I'm in my. In my life right now is the hardest period of time I've ever been through in my whole entire life. And I think talking about and admitting.
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Anna Kai
That is important because here's the thing. Your followers are going through some of the hardest moments in their life. And I think the reason why you give really great poignant advice is because you've been through it and you're going through it And I would urge you to look at this period of your life as inspiration for the next set of amazing content. If you want to think of it in that way. It's. You're going to learn so much from this home invasion and kind of what we're going to talk about next in this period of struggle that is just going to fuel your content and your audience even more because they're going through the same shit.
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Unnamed Guest
I'm getting like, so emotional because I feel like I haven't like talked about the things that I want to talk about with everybody because it's been so hard. And I feel like I'm at a breaking point as of like this week and I feel like it's hard to keep going and like creating and this job is not for the faint of heart.
- [29:29]
Anna Kai
So don't be sorry. If these mics weren't in front of me right now, I'd give you a massive hug.
- [29:36]
Unnamed Guest
I just, I love my audience. I love everyone that supported me. I think it's really hard to look at what a break feels like for us and like, I don't want to take a break because I love my job and I love what I do.
- [29:55]
Joey Zauczig
And I love entertaining. It's what I'm on the earth to do. But you know, when, when it comes time for us to take a break, what does that look like for us?
- [30:10]
Unnamed Guest
Like, how do we unplug? How do we focus on ourselves and do that? And I think that I'm trying to learn what it looks like and I'm trying to learn what, how to give myself grace and to feel the feels.
- [30:23]
Joey Zauczig
And it's just been hard. And I think that, like, you know, what we can talk about is what I've been through after the break, break in.
- [30:34]
Anna Kai
And well, before we get to that, I want to tell you how I have given myself grace. Because I have not been through nearly anything as traumatic as you've been through in the last three months. But I've also found I struggle with a lot of mental health and got on medication for the first time after getting this job basically because I didn't know to handle kind of everything all at once. And I think you feel so much obligation to stay in front of people. And the way I heal is just by pulling back. I'm literally fourth of July that whole week. No one is going to hear from me. I'm giving myself a 10 day break. Not to post, not to. But maybe you should do that. You know, give yourself not a 10 day break to go on vacation. Because I think a vacation almost in a way, is like stress in and itself. No partying, no nothing. Just like hang out, do nothing. And I know for somebody like you, that's so tough. Cause you've been grinding for so long. Give yourself permission to do Jack all. Yeah, I think you need that to just kind of unwind and just kind of process what has happened. And it's not gonna fix everything. But the best way to keep going sometimes is not to force yourself to keep going, it's to stand still. Because I think only when you are standing still, when you're at a crossroads, can you see which path you need to take. If you're always moving, how do you know where to go next? And you are at a crossroads right now.
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Joey Zauczig
I am. And I think I know that. And I think it's just. I always feel like I'll find it when it's supposed to be there. So I'll find the break when it's supposed to be there. Because it. That's how my life has always worked. But like, life changes and everything does not always work the same as it used to. And you know, stepping outside your comfort zone and you know that's important. So I think that maybe outside my comfort zone is not grinding. And I always give the advice for everyone to give yourself grace and take a break. But I'm like. And then I can't do it myself. So it's very tricky. But you know, again, to hear it out loud from someone like you too, it helps because it's just like, you're gonna be okay. Everyone's still gonna be there when you get back. Like, nothing's going to change. Except for you will have a better understanding and a clearer mind.
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Anna Kai
And I've done that before. I've taken 10 days, two weeks over Christmas, not posted. And everyone is still there when you. And they. They don't even realize because, yeah, you know, they're like, oh, I felt like I just. People's memories are so flawed. I think there have been studies about that. People are like, oh my God, I just saw this video that you posted last week. I'm like, this is a video from six months ago. Yes, but sure. And you also don't know what the algorithm's pushing out while you're not posting. Like, I have videos going viral from months, whereas the video from today, like, nobody, you know, it's just. It's just different. And so it's like giving yourself the grace to take a break is really going to, I think, maybe alleviate some of the struggle going on. But I want to shift gears to kind of what happened after the break in. And I. I'm curious as to whether that break in precipitated what happened next in your marriage. So after the break in, you had possibly something even more traumatic happen to you, and you're still going through it right now. You got married last year, your partner of four years, and now you are currently in the process of not being married. So I remember seeing your wedding in St. Barts last year. So walk me through what happened.
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah, well, you know, I can't talk. I'm not gonna say so much about it, and I obviously don't want, you know, I want to respect him and still be, but this is my life. So, like, I'm talking about what I'm going through, and it doesn't have anything to do with him.
- [34:23]
Unnamed Guest
And I want to make that clear before I go into this.
- [34:26]
Joey Zauczig
But I do want to talk about it because it's like after the break in, that was traumatic enough, and I was trying to heal from that, and then, you know, we were just not getting along for a really long time. And I think in a way, it been over for a little bit, but I was always willing to work on it and I wanted to work on it, but I definitely need some space. And maybe that was because of the break in and because I was feeling like. Like it really, I think, affected him. I think the press of it all affected him too, because his name was in there. And listen, I get it. I totally understand that that's scary. And, like, he is not a public person.
- [35:08]
Unnamed Guest
I'm the public person.
- [35:10]
Joey Zauczig
But he was with me. Like, he was on a reality show with me. Like, at the end of the day, it's like, you can't really pick and choose, unfortunately, in this industry, what type of publicity you get, whether it's good or bad. Like, with the good comes the bad. And I. That definitely freaked him out. And, you know, I wanted a break, but I didn't want it to be over forever. And now cut to. I think I've come to the conclusion that, like, it's for the better, but my heart's broken. I'll be okay. But, you know, when he said that, like, we need to start writing up separation agreements and figuring out what we're doing with the dogs in the house, it was like, wow, okay. Like, this really isn't going to be worked on. And then, you know, you always think when you go through a breakup that there's some glimpse of hope that you Guys get back together and like, you know, even though I tell you bitches, don't get back together with them because they always come back, but do not go back with the next. It's like fucking ask a kidnapper to keep in touch after they let you go type of shit. Like, but. But now just the way this is unfolding. Did I ever think it's like a full divorce, We've hired lawyers. It's getting messy. It's like what you never want to go through as a 31 year old man. Like, did I ever think that I'd be going through this at this age? No. And it's really hard to navigate. I have good days and bad days because I do believe everything happens for a reason. But I. How do you, like, keep that mindset when you're fucking knee deep in like lawyers, bills and like figuring out what you're doing with the houses? I'm living in this like 10,000 square.
- [36:54]
Unnamed Guest
Foot house alone, like paying for, like.
- [36:56]
Joey Zauczig
It'S just, it's crazy and it's been really the most difficult thing and it consumes me and it's not fair because it doesn't have to be like this.
- [37:06]
Unnamed Guest
I haven't seen my dogs in two months.
- [37:09]
Joey Zauczig
Those dogs are my everything.
- [37:10]
Anna Kai
Like, I think that's the worst part about all of this is when they're. Whether it's children or dogs or shared things, shared life that you're both responsible for. That's tough.
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Anna Kai
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah, I'm shocked. I haven't seen my dogs.
- [37:55]
Anna Kai
And is that a legal issue?
- [37:59]
Joey Zauczig
Well, I don't know. You know, my lawyers, everyone's finding it out and this is like, it's okay. I'm the most impatient person in the world and I also believe on like, okay, okay. Now that I know because of. To be quite honest, like, the way that this is going down right now has given me the clarity of like, okay, this is really over. And I Don't want to be with this person. Like, I don't. This is not for me. So I need to bounce. It's giving me more clarity and like, there's not that much at stake. But I've kind of had to, like, realize that I need to kind of unfortunately kind of come to the conclusion and kind of realize that the dogs could be gone and they could be his. And like, if that means me moving on with my life, I have to make those choices because I can't be where I'm at right now for much longer because I am at a breaking point and I am just mentally struggling because it's like every day, there's something new every day.
- [39:04]
Unnamed Guest
And I'm trying my hardest to keep it out of the public. I'm trying to keep it out of.
- [39:08]
Joey Zauczig
Like, my as big of an audience as I can. I don't want everyone to know. I mean, people know. But I'm not ready to talk about what I really want to talk about.
- [39:19]
Anna Kai
With it because I think you can't talk about it yet because you're still going through it. You don't know what lessons you've learned yet. And I think that's the thing is I don't talk about stuff while I'm going through it because I'm like, I don't know, I feel like a complete mess right now. What am I going to tell you guys other than the fact that I feel like a mess? And I think the other part of our job is that we feel like we should be sharing the mess because we share so much of our lives. But, like, there's no obligation to share that aspect of your life if you feel like outside noise is going to be detrimental to your process of healing. There's no obligation to give people a window into that part of your life if you need to hold that sacred. Because it's such a messy, devastating thing to go through right now. And I think the dogs. I think if the dogs weren't part of the equation, it'd be so much easier. It would be so much easier because at the end of the day, you're just arguing over dollars and cents and you can always make money back. The thing that I know because I have a girlfriend going through a divorce right now who shares a child with her soon to be ex husband is that she's like, I don't care about the money. I was like, well, what about alimony, child support? She's like, anna, I don't give a shit about any of that. She's like, but our child is going to link us together forever. Now, that's different because it's a child. You know, I am a dog mom, so I. I can't even believe I'm saying this, but dogs are different. If you need to let go and figure out a way to let go of those dogs, you can do that.
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Joey Zauczig
Yeah.
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Unnamed Guest
And, you know, if he does him.
- [40:56]
Joey Zauczig
If that's what he needs to move on, and if that's what he's gonna do, that's what he's gonna do. And I can't force or fight forever. And, you know, I. I've just. I've had to make, like, these really hard mental decisions and, like, just, like, trying to see the clarity of it all, of the realization and the reality of, like, okay, if this is what.
- [41:28]
Unnamed Guest
It'S going to be, like, you're going to have to find. Like, you're going to have to. This is starting from scratch again.
- [41:33]
Joey Zauczig
And starting from scratch is not easy. You know, thank God, Like, I have my career, and, like, everything is going really great in that aspect of my life. It's funny because, like, career is like that. Personal life is, like, in the fucking gutter, bitch. Like, and that's what's funny. You never think that you're going to be going through the best part of your career while your personal life behind the scenes is falling apart. And it just so happens your career is about being yourself and your personality and your life, you know, and that's been the hardest part. But I'm not gonna let anybody take away my success, and I'm not gonna let anybody put me down in the dumps, because that's not fair to myself. So that's kind of the mindset I'm taking. And also, I'm going to be okay, because I have to be, because, like, I'm gonna take this as a lesson. I'm gonna grow from it. And, like, that's what keeps me going. But sometimes you gotta fake it till you make it. Sometimes you don't believe this, but you have to say it out loud. You have to snap yourself the fuck out of. You have to look yourself in the mirror. Put some fucking dry shampoo in that bitch. Like, get a fucking espresso, have a glass of chardonnay if you need it, and move on, because that's the only way you're going to get through it. And maybe not the chardonnay. That's why I'm stopping drinking, because I've had too much fucking Chardonnay. But you know what I mean? It's important to snap yourself out of things. We're really powerful in that way as human beings. So I'm trying to do that. I think there's always, I'll never be the person that stays down in the dumps. There's the down in the dumps bitches that will be there forever and never move on. And there's the people that use these really fucked up hard times in your life as like ammo and motivation to get to like your best self.
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Anna Kai
But I think the thing that you said, I'm going to be okay, is so powerful because you speak it into existence and also because you have been okay in the past. You've gone through. Actually, this is extremely traumatic. Like a divorce is just one of the most traumatic things you could ever go through. But think about you growing up in Virginia, coming out in that horrible way where it was not on your terms, moving to New York, not having money, being in an abusive situation. You are in a much better position outside of your soon to be ex marriage right now in life to handle this. You're equipped. That's why God gave it to you. I don't know what you believe in, but I think the universe, whatever life gave you this moment, at this moment, because if you're given it, I do believe you can handle it.
- [44:09]
Joey Zauczig
You're not given anything you can't handle. And that's. And you're right. And that's what I've kept in mind. Like, and I tell everyone that, like on the Internet and off the Internet, I'm always like, you're only going through this because you're strong enough to get through it. And that's something I know.
- [44:25]
Unnamed Guest
But it's hard to snap into shit sometimes.
- [44:28]
Joey Zauczig
It's hard to like be, be there mentally. So I'm getting there mentally.
- [44:34]
Anna Kai
What have you done recently to kind of help cope while you're going through this divorce and healing from the home invasion?
- [44:44]
Joey Zauczig
For me, I think talking about it really helps. Like, and I think that my friends are like, shut the fuck up already. But like, I, I'm lucky enough that I have friends that will listen because it's consuming my mind. Because how couldn't it. It's like every day it's something different. This is what I'm currently dealing with. But talking about it has been really healing. But again, like you said, like, I'm still on this like, healing journey of figuring out what I'm learning here and what I'm supposed to be doing for myself. What I found out I'm not supposed to be doing is turning up every. And like, hooking up with a bunch of like. I need to, like, tone it the fuck down, chill the fuck out, and, like, understand that there's, like, a lesson in this. And I don't know, I think I need to, like, maybe go away with myself for a little bit and, like, just spend some time with me and relearn and re love myself again. Because I think once you get out of a relationship and no shade, but like, you kind of realize like, what the relationship or that person has taken from you. And I think one of the. The biggest things, not to toot my own horn, but, like, I think I have, like, a really bright light. And I think I'm one of those people that, like, has always walked into a room and lit it up. And I've loved that about myself. I love making people feel good. I love making people feel confident and sexy. And I think I've always had that. And I think what I haven't realized is that for the past probably six months, I think my light has been, like, dramatically dimmed and. And I didn't. Looking back, I don't think I was really myself. And that's scary. So I want to get back to, like, my bright light. It just sucks because right now my light is really fucking dim because I'm going through this thing. But I think knowing what you want to focus on, keeping the goal and desire in your head, like, it's like getting. Reaching your goals. I always tell everyone to, like, keep your most delusional dream in your head every single day. And the steps to get there will all make sense once you get to that delusional dream. Because I think, you know, you have to keep those. No little goals. Like, you can have little goals, but, like, the thing you need to be keeping your head every day is like, where you want to be at the end of your life, what you want to do. And it should be delusional. That's why you have to surround yourself with delusional friends. You need people that are going to be like, oh, you're like, okay, I.
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Unnamed Guest
Want to be the gay Oprah. Like, I do.
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Joey Zauczig
And they're like, oh, duh. Like, you're gonna be there in five years. You're going to be there. You're gonna have a talk show. You're gonna have a lifestyle brand. Denims, linens, pots, pans, cookbooks. Like, that's where you'll be.
- [47:14]
Unnamed Guest
And you need friends to hype you up on that, because that's just speaking it into existence, as you said.
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Anna Kai
But also think about how far you've come here and how likely unlikely it was for a kid from Fairfax, Virginia to be here. So you couldn't have gotten here without some level of, you know, we don't even need to call it dilution, just fake. I think it's faith.
- [47:34]
Joey Zauczig
Faith for sure. Because I think faith comes from deep down, like intuition. At the end of the day, when you do look back on where you were five years ago, you would have dreamed to be in the position you're in today. But we don't appreciate it when we're in the moment.
- [47:47]
Anna Kai
We always just see what's coming next and what we haven't achieved.
- [47:50]
Joey Zauczig
Exactly. Yeah. And that's why it's important to really be grateful for that. And then once you're grateful for what you have in this moment is when you get the bigger opportunities. And that's how it's been for me. So that's where I'm at and that's what I'm trying to focus on and getting back to that. And I think just like staying sober, and I want to say it on this podcast specifically, I'm going to do another six month stint as of today of sobriety again, because it really helped me during the week.
- [48:16]
Anna Kai
We're going to high five on that. You're going to. It's a promise, right?
- [48:18]
Joey Zauczig
It's a promise.
- [48:19]
Anna Kai
Okay. You said it publicly. I said it publicly. I find because I've been six months sober.
- [48:24]
Joey Zauczig
Yes.
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Anna Kai
And I find that it is so the decision, when you make the decision, it's so easy. It's hard to make the decision. That's what it is. Once you make it, you're like, duh. You know. Cause we're lucky in that you and I are obviously not alcoholics.
- [48:38]
Joey Zauczig
Yes.
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Anna Kai
We don't struggle with that.
- [48:39]
Joey Zauczig
We're very lucky.
- [48:40]
Anna Kai
I think we're not, we're not, you know, we're not addicted to alcohol. So we can just decide. But I think the hardest part is deciding. And I think you haven't decided. Cause you were like, I just need a break. I need to disassociate from my life right now.
- [48:54]
Joey Zauczig
Yep. And now I'm like, like, you know, making these like. Cuz last time I did, I did the same thing. I made a decision, I still went out, I sold everything, but I was not drinking. And I made the decision. And like.
- [49:05]
Anna Kai
And you looked fire. You're.
- [49:07]
Joey Zauczig
I know, it's so. That's the shitty part I will say is like, I got I was in this relationship. We weren't at that time. Like, it was rough, but I was like, you know, doing the sobriety in the beginning. I haven't even talked about that because it was because we needed to do it for the relationship, to help the relationship. Our therapist was like, you guys both need to be sober during this time. Because, you know, any relationship, the. The alcohol and everything, it just fuels the fights even more.
- [49:33]
Anna Kai
You need to be present.
- [49:34]
Joey Zauczig
So what's annoying is I did that.
- [49:35]
Unnamed Guest
Shit while I was in this relationship, and I got the most fire body and stuff, but I wasn't even fucking.
- [49:39]
Joey Zauczig
And I wasn't even talking to anyone.
- [49:41]
Unnamed Guest
I wasn't even out there being single. So I'm like, so what was the point of that?
- [49:46]
Joey Zauczig
So now you better believe I'm gonna do it tenfold and I'm gonna get the best body and look my hottest and feel my best. I deserve that. I deserve to feel good. And anyone going through a breakup and going through a hard time or not feeling their best, I think, like, just because beauty comes from within, it also comes from outside, too. If you feel like you look great.
- [50:05]
Unnamed Guest
And that doesn't mean everyone compares and contrasts.
- [50:08]
Joey Zauczig
Like, I need a six pack or I need this. No, if you feel like you look fire, you're gonna internally also feel fire. Like, it all goes. It's like a three, six circle. Yeah. So I'm back to. And for me, it's a six pack. So I will be going back to my hottest self, and I'm excited for it.
- [50:26]
Anna Kai
Well, if you can do it for your ex, you can do it for yourself.
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Joey Zauczig
Exactly. Period.
- [50:32]
Anna Kai
Period. One last thing I want to end on, because this is by far one of my favorite pieces of advice you've ever given, because I just thought the metaphor. I'm such a sucker for metaphors. Is so accurate. You were like, some people are like boosters on a rocket, and you are the rocket. And when the rocket reaches a certain height, the boosters fall off. Because then the boosters would just be weighing the rocket down.
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Joey Zauczig
Yes.
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Anna Kai
And I feel like you are the rocket right now, and you are trying to get rid of the boosters.
- [51:03]
Joey Zauczig
Yes.
- [51:04]
Anna Kai
And maybe one has fallen off, but maybe this is the start of the second one falling off right now.
- [51:09]
Joey Zauczig
I think it is. Is. And I. And I appreciate that because that video, like, resonated with me. Sometimes I do have to watch my own videos, and I'm like, wow. Like, it is true. Like, I'm, like, on my way up, and, you know, one of the boosters was not supposed to be there for a lifetime and they, you know, couldn't handle the altitudes and everything going on. And that's fine. But yeah, I'm waiting for the other one to come so I can really soar. And I am excited for that moment and I know that it's coming and I know that, like, really big things are in store for me. And sometimes that's why you go through these hard times. Because those boosters both need to come off and in order for them too, you have to fucking work through the hardest shit.
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Anna Kai
Well, it's your butterfly effect. Because I always, I like to end on asking, like, oh, what's your butterfly effect? You know, what rejection or what terrible time was pivotal in your life. But I think right now you're going through it. And I honestly can't wait to see what happens next. Because I think you're gonna look back on this time in your life five years from now and be like, thank God. Thank God I got divorced. Thank God my house was broken into because of I could not be who I am today, you know, five years from now, Joey, without all of this happening.
- [52:21]
Joey Zauczig
See, that's what I'm excited for. Because I know that I'll be there. Because I look back on like, my ex abusive relationship and my parents divorced and I'm like, thank God because I don't think, what if I was still in that relationship, I would be nowhere.
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Unnamed Guest
Where I am today.
- [52:33]
Joey Zauczig
So I'm excited to see myself and even like a year from now and.
- [52:37]
Anna Kai
Be like, even in a month from now.
- [52:39]
Joey Zauczig
Even in a month from now.
- [52:40]
Anna Kai
Think about being sober for a month and just really doing. You eating right.
- [52:45]
Joey Zauczig
Yes.
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Anna Kai
Going to the gym, all that.
- [52:46]
Joey Zauczig
That's what I'm excited for.
- [52:47]
Anna Kai
One month of that. Let's catch up.
- [52:50]
Joey Zauczig
I'm excited for. And we will catch up. And I'm excited because I think big things coming.
- [52:54]
Anna Kai
I love it.
- [52:54]
Joey Zauczig
You heard it here first.
- [52:55]
Anna Kai
Thank you so much for being here today and for being so open. I think it's really helpful to not only hear from our favorite inspirational figures, like not how they've overcome, but also how they are overcoming.
- [53:08]
Joey Zauczig
Yes.
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Anna Kai
Because life is in the present tense. So thank you so, so much.
- [53:12]
Joey Zauczig
Thank you for having me. Love ya.
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Unnamed Guest
Thank you. I'm excited for this to come out. I cried, we loved it.
- [53:17]
Anna Kai
We laughed, we loved, we cried. All of the feelings.
- [53:20]
Joey Zauczig
And I'm excited to check in in a month. Who knows where I'll be, Bitch.
- [53:23]
Anna Kai
See you soon with a six pack.
- [53:25]
Joey Zauczig
Yes. For real.
- [53:26]
Anna Kai
Who knows who you'll be with.
- [53:28]
Joey Zauczig
I know. Stay tuned.