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#52 Sit down interview with Pamela Casey, Hunter and The BOTL Bracket Challenge Update
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In this episode Bubba interviews Pamela Casey who is a candidate for Attorney General for the State of Alabama, Bubba also sits down with his son Hunter to recap more March Madness and to get an update on The BOTL Bracket Challenge.
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Bubba
This podcast is brought to you in part by Russell Lands Coke Buffalo Wild Wings, Southern Immediate Care Guaranteed Labels, Central State bank, Sunrise Docks, Dr. Thomas Dudney and the Green Monster Fishing Light. Now back to Bubba on the Lake. B U double B A on the lake hey wishing I could listen to the show every day hey gotta hear what Bubba his buddies gotta say on B U double B A on the lake in the mellow yellow studio putting on a show Betty say what she always on the go we got on a bus sitting that master control don't wanna miss a moment cause Bubba's got the flow B U double B A on the lake hey wishing not to listen to the show every day hey gotta hear what Bubba and his buddies gotta say on B U double B A on the lake Hey B U. On the lake hello again, friends, neighbors and associates everywhere. Welcome to the podcast Bubba on the Lake. I am your semi retired, mostly washed up post, formerly the Rick and Bubba show and now your host of Bubba on the Lake, also known as the people's Podcast. Keep those cards and letters coming, folks, to Bubba at Bubba on the lake.com. of course, that's our website, bub on the lake.com and our comment line 308 Big Lake. Always enjoy hearing those. Always want to remind everybody to, to subscribe, turn on notifications, follow us on our social media and especially Instagram, Bub on the Lake. And we want to keep you up to date with everything going on here on the program. And we've got some really, really fun things coming up here this spring and we don't want you to miss a minute of it. Speaking of that, if you go to the website under merchandise, we have the new tumblers out. We have a colorful one and we have an understated black one. Now these are really quality tumblers. A lot of you have been asking me about these. I know you, you love these when you go out on the water, when you're out pickleballing, tennis, just driving to work. People love these big tumblers and they, you know, they fit down in a normal cup holder. But I'll tell you what I like about these. They are really good quality. Now, they're a little expensive, but that's, that's what tumblers run nowadays, unfortunately. But, but what I like is the top screws on. If you've ever had one of these that fits in with the friction, I mean, it is a knuckle buster trying to get that thing on and off. And usually what I do, I'll have a little Bit of drink in it. I'll try to get the top off to put more and I end up throwing it all over myself. I know many of you have had that same result. So these screw on, they're real tight, they don't leak. The cap fits so well and we're really, really proud of those. So check those out. If you go to the website, bub on the lake.com hit the is it store or merchandise? How do we label that one under there? Let me look at that right quick so I can be 100% it's under store. If you hit store then you go into it and you have some choices. You have the bub on the lake side and you have the tailgate, tailgate show side. And you can go through and look at that merchandise. And we're going to have some more coming online very soon. So we're be sure to always check back on that. Also, another item I wanted to mention to you because I get this all the time, people who miss the old radio show, Rick and Bubba, pass the gravy, please. Well, you know, we have a Rick and Bubba greatest hits podcast and it comes out every week with some more of 31 years put in there. Real nice and neat. Some of y' all are concerned I was not getting my cut. I am getting my cut. It's okay. It's all good. And I've listened to it a few times to just reminisce. A lot of fun, 31 great years. So enjoy that. If you're missing the old radio show, I would highly encourage you to check it out. It's doing real well too. Alright, so a lot going on here. Couple of things. Pamela Casey, who is the district attorney in Blount county in Alabama is going to be our guest. She's running for the Attorney General of the state of Alabama. Now, we don't do a lot of political stuff on here, especially more local stuff to Alabama. But I'd met these, both of these ladies and they're two of the many running on the Republican side. And I just want you to get to know them a little bit better. I think a lot of times in some of these races we don't, you know, we don't really get to know them. I mean, you, you, you see their commercials, you know, you see the standard commercial in our state, you got to be shooting a gun and petting a dog and you know, all that stuff. But I wanted to give you a chance to hear from them in their own words a little bit. Now we're not going to do a lot of that because I hear you. I know a lot of you get so put out with politics, you don't want anything to do with it. But the attorney general is an important job because they are the ones that enforce our Constitution when we get out of bounds. And they also comment and chime in to the Supreme Court when we have big cases there. So it's an important role. We're not endorsing anybody here. We just want you to meet some of these people, hear them in their own words in a longer format, which I think is. Is really, really cool. So we're also going to hear from Hunter on the bracket update, and, man, that bracket is a mess. Now just finish watching the Yukon comeback to beat Duke at the buzzer. What a finish. You know, I know some of you are not big basketball fans, but I'm gonna tell you, March Madness is. If you don't watch basketball any other time, this is time to watch it. What a game. UConn was down, I think about 19 at one point, 15 at the half. And they just chipped away, Chipped away, chipped away and made a shot almost half court. I would say it was between the three point line and half court with less than a second left. Less than a second by a guy who was not having a good game. I mean, you just can't make this kind of stuff up. Hunter will talk more about it when we check in with him toward the end of the show. He's going to give us a bracket update. We're down to the final four. I'm afraid, afraid to look at mine. It was destroyed early. But I will, I'm going to take a peek and see just how bad it is. We'll. We'll take a look at it. So. All right, so there's the update. I had some email. Don't think I'm gonna get to it this time. We'll do it next time. I want you to get plenty of time with Pamela Casey and also a little bit of time with Hunter to talk about March Madness. So thank you for being a part of this. And as always, I want to remind you, please help us spread the word. I mean, it is every day I run into somebody that says, love the radio show. Miss hearing you on there. I get a lot of email to that effect. And I always say, are you listening to the podcast? And I mean, it's almost 70% will say no, I don't, I don't know how to get it. I don't know how to get it. So it's real easy. Find that podcast app on your phone, search Bub on the lake, and then subscribe or follow or whatever their lingo is for that. And then it'll be on your phone when we publish a new one. It can't be any easier than that. And then you plug it in through carplay or whatever you use in your car and it's right there in the stereo. I mean, it's in the speakers and it's, it's clear and you can stop and start it when you want to. I mean, it's hard to beat. All right, so folks, we'll get started. Pamela Casey is going to be our guest when we come back in just a minute. Thank you for being part of Bubba on the Lake.
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Hunter Bussy
One, two, three.
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Bubba
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Pamela Casey
Well, this is beautiful. I'm enjoying. I want to stay above on the lake.
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Bubba
It a little windy today. It is howling out there. As a matter of fact, it's almost
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Pamela Casey
like the ocean if you look.
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Bubba
I know, I know. White capping everywhere. So, Pamela, you're the DA in Blount county, so you. You throw the book at him, right?
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Pamela Casey
Hey, I, you know, enforce the law. That's what I took an oath to do. So that's what I actually been a prosecutor almost 20 years.
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Bubba
So tell me, when. Where'd you go to high school?
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Pamela Casey
Susan Moore High School. And it's funny, I played volleyball, basketball, track. And you'd go somewhere for a camp or something. They say, well, who do you. Where do you play? And I'd say, susan Moore. They say, no, not your coach's name. Where do you know it's. Went to high school at Susan Moore. Graduated there and went to Rhodes College for undergrad.
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Bubba
Very nice.
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Pamela Casey
And went to Seattle for law school.
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Bubba
Really? Now, how did you go all the way to Seattle when so many people just go to Birmingham here? And, I mean, you. You stepped way out there, didn't you?
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Pamela Casey
I did. You know, my dad died my senior year of high school, and I kind of was like, I wanted to get away from home and all that. And then they had Seattle, had the number one legal writing program in the country, and they threw me some scholarship money. And I was a poor kid from Snead, Alabama.
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Bubba
Wow, that's a long way to drive
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Pamela Casey
home, you know, But I thought it's really the only time in your life other than college you can go and spend three years somewhere, and if you don't like it, you can leave and go somewhere else. And I did.
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Bubba
So.
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Pamela Casey
But yeah, so I took the. I have a license out in Washington state, though. Some licensed out there came home, took the bar exam here in Alabama and actually went to the attorney general's office. Was an assistant attorney general really early in my career.
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Bubba
Cool, cool. So when you get your license in Washington, they don't just let you practice in Alabama. We don't have reciprocal agreement or something, like handguns or something.
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Pamela Casey
They didn't at the time. And I remember thinking I was going to come home a little bit before then and trying to switch all my stuff to Alabama. They're like, no, you'll have to apply here. And I thought, but I've already gotten approved up there, didn't switch. And it's not even the same bar exam. So sometimes if you go somewhere and take the bar, you can transfer some scores, right? No. So I took three days.
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Bubba
So, like, how's it different? How would it vary?
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Pamela Casey
All essay. Alabama has multiple choice.
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Bubba
Yeah, I like multiple choice. I got A. I got a guesser's chance on that.
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Pamela Casey
You don't have to keep writing. So Washington state's three days all essay. And then Alabama at the time was a three day bar. Now it's a two day bar. We call it the baby bar now. All of us, you know, we. I can now say back when I took the bar exam, and so I had to come back home and retake but two bar exams within six months and passed both them the first time.
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Bubba
You smart?
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Pamela Casey
No, I just.
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Bubba
You must have made good grades.
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Pamela Casey
I did.
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Bubba
You know, to a lot of us, I mean, we're glad that lawyers and prosecutors are out there to keep us safe, but, you know, to a lot of us, that law thing just does not look like fun. I mean, we all have watched the TV shows and all that. I mean, it's not like that, is it?
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Pamela Casey
No, it's a lot. There's so much, especially as a prosecutor being da there's so much that people don't see. Like, you know, every time we have a death in our county, I get a call.
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Bubba
Right. Because you have to look into.
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Pamela Casey
I have to look into. I have to say, well, what happened? When's the last time they were. So there's a lot of emotional stuff that people probably don't get. I say emotional, just a lot of heavy stuff sometimes. And you know, one of my main priorities has been prosecuting child predators. And so I'm having to constantly listen to these young kids talk about horrific things.
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Bubba
Oh, yeah. Seem like it would just be depressing. I mean, I'm glad somebody's doing it, don't get me wrong. But. Wow, that's tough.
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Pamela Casey
Yeah. And so, you know, it's constantly a lot. Officers calling, I need help with this or we got to get a search warrant for that. So a little bit like tv, but a lot. Not like tv, right. Sometimes.
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Bubba
Not all the partying and all that.
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Pamela Casey
No. I told your wife, I said, this is a great place to retire. You get away from everybody. Like that's what. That's my retirement. Away from everybody.
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Bubba
Well, we, we kind of joke that what's good here is you're not close to anything. And what's bad here, you're not close to anything. So if I'm going back to Birmingham, it's an hour Dr. And change. I drive 2 hours, 15 minutes, one way to work at Jack State. So, you know, you got to, I mean, just to go to town to get groceries, 25 minute drive. But once you get out here with your groceries, it's really cool.
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Pamela Casey
I'd probably stay out here a week or two at a time.
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Bubba
Oh, yeah, I do.
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Pamela Casey
I try back up that driveway that much.
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Bubba
Well, I'm glad you. Because we had another guest here. A good friend of ours, Kristen McCorkle was leaving as you were coming, and I was like, hold up, hold up, Pamela, because we ain't got much room, daddy. It's already like a used car lot down here. We got a threat thinned herd a little bit. So tell me about you.
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Pamela Casey
In high school, I played volleyball, basketball, ran track. Now I love playing basketball. I love volleyball. I just enjoyed doing student government president. All the things was really involved. And so actually. And not only that, but at 15, I don't know if you've ever eaten down at little Alamix Barbecue Restaurant. Little barbecue restaurant and sneeze.
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Bubba
You know, I probably have. I'm like James Spann. I've covered every crossroad at one point. He just remembers them better than I do.
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Pamela Casey
So I. At 15, I started waiting tables at that little restaurant. So I did that and played ball. Three sports and three years I worked at that little restaurant and bought my first car. So I was a worker. You know, neither of my parents graduated high school, and so it was important they did. You know, they did. My mom did get her GED at one point when I was. When I was older. But, you know, dad works in the highway department. And so I learned the value of hard work. And so I was a worker. And, you know, I was a little scrappy is what they told me.
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Bubba
I bet you were. I'm still scrappy.
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Pamela Casey
You were somebody, you real scrappy. I said, well, hey, scrappy gets it sometimes. So I'll be scrappy. If I was a scrappy ballplayer. I enjoyed playing basketball. I enjoyed the people.
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Bubba
You know, we. We just hosted the regional tournament a couple of weeks ago at Jack State for high school. And the girls basketball has come so far. I remember when I was in high school and it first started, and I think the first game I played basketball and the coach want us to go support the girls and I think the score was like 8 to 10. You know, it was. It's just very beginning, you know, just. But it has evolved. I mean, the girls are so good now. They run complicated schemes and they're very competitive. I mean, I think there was as many folks there to see the girls play as the guys, which is good. And I've coached female sports, too, and tennis and basketball and, you know, I love, you know, girls athletics. They're very Competitive. They're different than the guys, that's for sure. But in their own way.
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Pamela Casey
Yeah. Did Aberville play at Jacksonville State this time?
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Bubba
Yes, yes.
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Pamela Casey
Natasha, the Natasha Waddle the small with the coach and I played basketball together in high school.
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Bubba
Okay. So yeah, I had a good, real good show. And the day that the Albertville was there in Oxford and maybe Gadsden at one time, I mean you couldn't, you couldn't even get in and out of the Coliseum. It was backed up for miles out there. And it's a great event for Jack State to host because so many students and parents get on camp and see what we're about and you know, make that a real option for them. So we're always glad to do that. But it, our staff is funny in athletics because we all have to work that week very hard to accommodate all that. But we still have Jack State sports going on, you know and sometimes they're in Texas and you know, all over the Gulfs out or Conference USA footprint and everybody is run to death.
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Pamela Casey
So you had to be enjoy it coming. Yeah, yeah.
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Bubba
They're like, you know, because they're doing the regular job and that and it everybody stressed to the max. But it's good. I enjoyed it. I last two years I've been there and I've seen pretty much about every game except during lunch. I have to go get lunch.
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Pamela Casey
I would love to sit and watch those ball games all day. I mean I tell you I would enjoy. I enjoy. Now I'll tell you, I had my little hand in coaching last year. Five year old son and I was always on a team that won.
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Bubba
Okay.
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Pamela Casey
We were just win.
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Bubba
Now what, what sport was it?
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Pamela Casey
Basketball.
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Bubba
Basketball.
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Pamela Casey
And we didn't win one game.
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Bubba
That's tough.
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Pamela Casey
And six year olds, you know and you just take for granted when you play your whole life to like tip off like you think, well when you tell them what's going to line up for tip off that they're going to go right, right. I had fun though. Good kids. I feel, you know, still when I'm at school, hey coach, it hadn't scarred
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Bubba
you or anything, right? That you didn't win again.
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Pamela Casey
It did. Now that did. I kept thinking finally I was like lord, just let me get through the season. You really questioned yourself, you know, they had fun. My son, my son's out there talking to the refs, the other players. You know, it's kind of like literally or I guess you call it T ball or whatever. Now that's a trip. I don't coach that, but you can go watch this. They've danced, they've dug.
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Bubba
Yeah.
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Pamela Casey
All those spanning.
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Bubba
Sometimes watering the grass from their position.
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Pamela Casey
Yeah.
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Bubba
You know, because I couldn't. Couldn't get loose. So we're talking to Pamela Casey, district attorney of Blount county, and I appreciate you making the the journey here to the Bubba on the Lake studio.
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Pamela Casey
I come back there this summer waving at you down.
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Bubba
We're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back with her and some more comments in just a minute. You're listening to Bubba on the Lake. Uh, where's Bubba? I'll tell you where. He's on the lake. You know, one thing I love about Buffalo Wild Wings, you can get wings with any of their 26 sauces and dry rubs for takeout and delivery. That's like bringing an entire B dubs home with you, which you can't do. I tried. I've knocked down so many walls only to then be told to halt construction because I'm not zoned to be a sports bar. Kind of just looks like a big pergola or something. Because of the lack of walls, at least these 26 sauces and dry rubs are available. To go. Buffalo Wild Wings. Let's go. Sports bar. On the water or off? Experience lake life to the fullest at Russell Lands on Lake Martin. Spend your mornings with breakfast at Fanny's. Afternoons you can explore over 100 miles of trails through Russell Forest. And for dinner, how about the southern farm to table flavors at Spring House? Whether you're here for the weekend or you've made your home at the lake, Russell Lands is where community and the land come together. To learn more about upcoming events, visit Russelllands.com come see what Lake life is all about at Central State Bank. We believe community banking is more than just transactions. It's about relationships. For over 100 years, you've been helping neighbors grow, businesses thrive and dreams become reality. Because when you bank local, you invest in your community. Central State Bank. Large enough to serve you, small enough to know you. Visit us today or learn more@centralstatebank.com Member FDIC. We're back and we're talking to Pamela Casey, the DA for Blount County. And you are running. You're in an election right now, right?
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Pamela Casey
I am running for Attorney general of
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Bubba
the state of Alabama.
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Pamela Casey
State of Alabama. I actually started my career there, so it was like going back home, really. But I guess been on the road 15 months, what it feels like and I'm still DA so I will still DA and campaign and. But you know, it's been a wonderful 15 months. I've been travel the state. I'll leave here today and go to Florence tonight.
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Bubba
You know, I ask you who, who sets your schedule up because Lake Martin is not on the way to Florence from Maniana.
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Pamela Casey
Well, it was the last minute ad last week. They're like, could you be here Monday? I'm like, I can make it happen, you know, but I'm still in court, so I keep my calendar and schedule just because I kind of know what can be shifted. And I drive myself. I've had a driver a few times, but I just kind of like, let me get the car and go.
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Bubba
I enjoy that quiet time sometimes.
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Pamela Casey
You know, we have a five year old and six year old, so.
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Bubba
So you really enjoy.
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Pamela Casey
Yeah, yeah, I really like getting in the car and just being like, I'm a book on tape kind of girl.
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Bubba
How about podcast?
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Pamela Casey
I do like podcasts.
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Bubba
What podcast do you listen to other than the obvious above on the left?
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Pamela Casey
I listen to some of those crime shows, like, you know, when they're in like looking at real cases.
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Bubba
Yes.
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Pamela Casey
And so I'm kind of like, that's big.
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Bubba
That's one of the biggest genres out there.
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Pamela Casey
Well, and you know, we have to, as prosecutors, when we're getting ready to select a jury, we have to ask how many of you listen to those? Because what happens is it kind of slants the bias sometimes on some of those podcasts you got to make sure it doesn't infiltrate your jurors to the point that they no longer trust.
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Bubba
Right.
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Pamela Casey
Law enforcement.
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Bubba
So, but, and there's, there's been a big push to make law enforcement distrustful by our politicians.
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Pamela Casey
Oh, absolutely.
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Bubba
Unfortunately, one group.
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Pamela Casey
Yeah, absolutely. And we thought that every day, every day we get up is the mistrust people have for law enforcement. And I tell people all the time, these are men and women who are overworked, underpaid and understaffed.
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Bubba
And their life is on the line. This is not, we hope we're yelled at, at a ball game or, you know, I got a coworker being mean to me. I mean, these, you can be killed.
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Pamela Casey
Yeah. And we put on, they put on a vest and a badge every day.
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Bubba
Yeah.
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Pamela Casey
And so many people want to talk bad about law enforcement, but as soon as they need help, who do they call?
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Bubba
Oh, yeah, law enforcement.
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Pamela Casey
So the same people you're talking bad about are the same people you expect to show up when something bad happens in your life and you Know, I tell people all the time is nobody needs my help until something really bad happens. So. But then I'm the one they want fighting for their family.
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Bubba
Sure, sure.
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Pamela Casey
And so.
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Bubba
Well, you know, it's. I'm not going to say that every single law enforcement officer is, is perfect because I think that would be impossible to achieve. But I think 99.9% that I have ever met are dedicated hard work. They're doing it not for the money, but because of what they're doing. And gosh knows, if we were going to pay somebody more that needs to be there because they're that first line of defense, you know.
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Pamela Casey
Absolutely. And it's, you know, like you said, 99%, you know, it didn't matter what profession you're in.
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Bubba
Yeah.
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Pamela Casey
There's always a bad apple. And every. My husband's a teacher. You know, I always say the people we should pay more are teachers and our law enforcement. At the end of the day, my husband can usually tell me who I'm about to be prosecuted.
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Hunter Bussy
Right, right.
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Bubba
Both of them are taking open fire. Right.
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Pamela Casey
And he teaches high school.
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Bubba
I think, oh, oh my God, that
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Pamela Casey
could be worse than middle school. He says, at least I'm not doing middle school.
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Bubba
So how's the campaign going? What made you want to do VR District Attorney for the state? Because, you know, it's a high profile position. You probably have to manage more than maybe even what you're prosecute now. I don't know. I don't know the job, but I would assume when you're at the state level, you have to do a lot of managing of the situation.
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Pamela Casey
Well, absolutely. And I think one reason why I'm running is I believe that we should have an experienced prosecutor managing that office. Over half the staff there handles our criminal appeals, our capital litigation, our death penalty cases, our trial division, all that. And so you want a leader who has experience. There's nothing worse than going to work for somebody who's trying to tell you what to do, but they've never done it right. And what it really does. And I get that a lot.
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Bubba
You met Betty.
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Pamela Casey
She's a good supervisor. I know. I'm not talking bad about.
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Bubba
No, I either, I do. She keeps everything in order.
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Pamela Casey
But you know, I just. A group of DA's was very supportive and making sure that we have a prosecutor and supporting me and running. And so I think what I bring. I'm the only one in this race that's even tried a criminal jury trial. Some of the ones are putting by in jail. So it's really knowing what needs to be done so that you can manage the office, be able to sit down like we recently, you know, Friday I had an opinion come out. I actually argue the case from the Alabama Supreme Court in September about whether or not what's the standard for no bond for capital defendants. And if you've never been there, done that and had to make those decisions in the heat of the moment, it's really hard to go talk to your appellate division when they're trying to explain something to you and you have no clue what's going on. So you know, I've been DA in Blount county since 2010 in my third term. I have the experience managing people. It's a smaller scale but you take the same leadership qualities and to a broader area. And I have respect and experience with law enforcement. We have over 50 different DA's law enforcement officials that have endorsed our campaign because I think they know it's important to have somebody who's in the trenches, you know, somebody who's been in the fight. I've had my, you know, I've had my door knocked on at 2am in the morning like hey, we need help with a search warrant. And I've gotten up with a baby in the crib and typed up search warrants for law enforcement and I just don't think you can trade anything for that type of experience.
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Bubba
How with your family and all, how, how will you juggle all. I mean I don't see how you do it now. Especially having kids that young, that is challenging. Just having kids that young if you're doing nothing is challenging. Right.
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Pamela Casey
Well, you know, and my two, my two are which I guess all five and six year olds are active but Lord, one of mine, tall, it's non stop, he is a talker, talker. But I knew he was going to be something different when it too he said, have you ever seen a worm drink water, mother? And I was like no man, I don't think I've ever talked to you daddy. How's that? Let's talk to you daddy about that one. Okay, so, but no. So my husband is a teacher. We've been together, been together 12 years, we've been married almost 10. And he is a saint but he's also a supporter and he's my biggest fan and I did not, you know, we had taught, he had kind of always knew I had this desire to one day lead that office and so we had that talk probably about two years ago and coming home from the DA's conference. Some of my DA friends were like, you've got to make a decision. Like, we want to run some. You need to decide on the ride home. I said, we got to make a decision. He said, well, I will support you 110%, and I think you'll regret it if you don't run.
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Bubba
All right?
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Pamela Casey
And he said, we're here for you. And so, you know, we. He is. He's actually been in law school, so during the time I'm campaigning, he just finished law school, just took the bar
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Bubba
himself to lawyer family.
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Pamela Casey
So I'm.
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Bubba
Y' all are lawyered up?
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Pamela Casey
Well, he hadn't passed the bar yet, but, you know, so we've had a lot on our plate, but we do a lot of.
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Bubba
You know, I heard it's easier now. It's only two days.
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Pamela Casey
What I told him, said, you better pass it. It's only two days.
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Hunter Bussy
But we do.
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Pamela Casey
You know, I take the kids with me, too, sometimes when I'm speaking at night. I want them to understand how it works with elections. You know, I remember as a kid, mom and dad. My parents were divorced, but taking me each to vote, you know, I remember they made sure that they showed me how important that was. And so, you know, they've only known their mom as da They've never been through inhalation before. My little boy thinks that's just what you are. You're the DA of Blount County.
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Bubba
Right.
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Pamela Casey
And so we take them with us, and they're the reason why I'm running. I mean, I want to protect family and kids across the state and make sure that we have a leadership out of the Attorney General's office that understands how important, you know, people have no idea the threats that come against our children every single day.
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Bubba
Scary stuff.
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Pamela Casey
It is.
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Bubba
So how. How difficult is it for you as a DA when you have to go and you're looking at the death penalty for folks? Now, I know a lot of people have different opinions on that. I'm kind of a hardliner. You know the rules. You know the old saying, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. If you kill somebody intentionally, you have forfeited your chance to live. That's. And I'm a Christian. I can back that up. Scripture, so. But you're the one that's actually involved in it. How hard is that?
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Pamela Casey
You know, I. When I first became a prosecutor, I really thought I would do criminal defense, to be honest, which is odd. And I was. I worked for a judge when I was in law school. And he said, what do you want to do? I said, I really want to do criminal defense. He said, why? And I said, because I never want to see an innocent man go to prison.
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Bubba
Right?
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Pamela Casey
And he goes, we need to be a prosecutor. He said, do you want guilty people to go? I said, well, absolutely, you know, pull the plug. You know, I'm here for all. And so, you know, the one thing about being a prosecutor is I feel very confident in my cases. And so if I pursue the death penalty, I feel beyond a shadow of a doubt this person's guilty. The most recent case we had was an 18 month old that was beat to death by mom's boyfriend. I had no problem standing in front of that jury and saying, I think you should put this man to death for beating this little 18 month old child to death and had a man who was burned alive that, you know, we saw. And so. And we're seeking the death penalty in another case right now with a young child. So when I started my career, I actually started in capital litigation at the AG's office. That's our death penalty cases. So I've been involved with those and supporting that ever since I became right out of law school. I've been down to death row, I've seen the chamber where it all takes place. And look, I truly believe our AG should have actually tried a death penalty case if you're going to be the one in charge of our death penalty litigation in the state. And you know, so I evaluate my cases. If it's a capital case and we charge capital, and I have no problems at all asking for the death penalty because I do believe very much that you forfeit that. Right.
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Bubba
Yeah, I do too. You knew going in what the deal was, but you made that decision. I mean, you, you calculated ahead of time. I mean, I don't know how she'd deal with it, you know.
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Pamela Casey
Well, and you know, I think there's a lot of issues right now with how long it takes when someone's on death row.
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Bubba
Right. And we saw way too long, some of us think.
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Pamela Casey
Absolutely. And what was happening, in fact, when I was in AG's office, and I know it's happening now because General Marshall just filed some, something in the 11th Circuit is you would have federal court judges who would sit on cases for 8, 9, 10 years because they didn't believe in the death penalty and they wouldn't rule on the federal habeas. So you can never get the, you can never get out of that last level. And so if we could see that process speed up, I think we would have fewer people and it'd be a bigger deterrent if, you know, you're not going to sit there for.
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Bubba
Because people don't really see it, you know, they just know, well, yeah, he's going to get that at some time and you hear it happen. And you know, I mean, I don't know that the public tar and feathering and hanging on Saturday night is where we want to go, but it certainly needs, needs fixing. What we got now, I'm all for it.
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Pamela Casey
For child predators, I would line them people up in front of everybody. You know, this last.
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Bubba
That's evil, pure evil.
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Pamela Casey
The light. This last year I've gotten to life without sentences for people who have tortured, sexually tortured young little girls. And that's the most heartbreaking cases you deal with because those little girls have to come and testify. Yeah, because you, I mean, you'll try to work out a deal and something to hold them accountable. And it's almost like they enjoy making the kids have to come in and testify. And that breaks my heart. But I'm going to tell you, if God gives me one more top case to handle the rest of my career, I will always fight for child victims of abuse.
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Bubba
You know, it's just scary. I mean, I can't, it's almost so dark. I can't even fathom that people are that way, you know, but they are,
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Pamela Casey
sadly, sickness, like, you know, I don't believe you get over that. It's not like you, you know, And I do believe in rehabilitation and recovery. I believe that people who are alcoholics or drug addicts can be rehabilitated. I don't believe that pedophiles can. I don't think, I think it's a mental disease and I just think that you need to be where you can never touch another child. And really it's, it's, it's just they are wired to be evil.
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Bubba
Have you. I wanted to ask you back you some about medical examiners. Do you. Have you seen Joe Scott Morgan before? He's been on Nancy Grace. He's on Fox. I work with him at Jack State.
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Pamela Casey
Okay. Okay.
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Bubba
And we've just started a new program there for medical examiners. I don't know what they call it, but that's what it is. We've got a whole setup. But he is, he's very interesting to talk to and you know, medical examiners and I think a lot of it has to do with TV become rock stars. You know, it's a rock star business now for them. And he's on TV all the time doing cases. And it's kind of. I mean, it's funny. It's sad because he's got to do it, but it's just funny to me how the celebrity status has gone with medical examiners now.
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Pamela Casey
Have you ever also. Have you ever been to an autopsy before?
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Hunter Bussy
I.
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Bubba
You know, Pamela, I have not. I've been able to miss those.
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Pamela Casey
I guess that's not something.
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Bubba
No, it's not really on my bucket list of things. You know, we're going to go to Grace Yellowstone this year. That's on the list. Autopsy. No, not really. But I saw one. We bet. He got me watching a show about a medical examiner I can't remember the name of Nicole Kidman is in it. And it's. And, man, it's graphic. They show a lot of stuff on there. And I'm like, I didn't want to see that right before dinner.
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Pamela Casey
I will tell you, first of all, Jacksonville has a great applied forensics program over there. Mark Hopwood's done an excellent job. So I assume that medical examiner processes with that. And, man, that. That's just a great. I've gone over there and taught a few classes and done a few things with it.
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Bubba
I mean, they've got the whole morgue thing in the basement. Yeah. I mean, it's awesome.
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Pamela Casey
But, you know, I have done so, you know, as the da, the person who can sign off for autopsies in the state is the da, circuit judge, I think the governor, and maybe the attorney general. I know the DA does it all in the state right now, but. So that's why I'm getting these calls on death. Hey, do you agree to autopsy? There's a few times I have to go to go with them. And I will never forget, we had this man who had been burned alive and fire marshal that was working at. He and I go and we walk out. I thought I said, whoo. I said, I have never. That smell. I mean, it is just a burned. You know, if you ever just burn a little bit.
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Bubba
Yeah. Flesh.
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Pamela Casey
He said, lord, I was hoping you would throw up so that I could go ahead and throw up. He said, but I couldn't throw up if you didn't throw up. But, you know, our. We have great medical examiners up in our. In the Huntsville lab. And one of them's a vegetarian. And I learned real quick after that one autopsy why she's a vegetarian. Because, I mean, it is. You're literally taking every Organ out, you're going to weigh. You're going to measure a serrated knife, too. So we take. They take a serrated knife and they're going to cut the organs to be able to see. They can literally see if there is a blockage in the heart.
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Bubba
Oh, yeah.
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Pamela Casey
And I mean, it is incredible. It's incredible to see the body and the makeup of the body and, you know, come on, they're. They're puzzle solvers putting things back together. It's sad, though.
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Bubba
I mean, it's a key part of prosecution now. You got to have that evidence. Yeah.
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Pamela Casey
The hardest ones for me have always been the children. We've had to do that. I've had a few babies who've been shaken. They can actually take the eyeballs out, and of the child, they will immerse them in a fluid for a period of time. Then you can take the eyeball and actually cut the eyeball into parts and tell whether or not the hemorrhaging is there, the petechiae of whether or not a baby's been shaken, or the injuries to a child. And so, you know, there's a lot more than what you see on tv. We get to trial, you know, we're going to take in and factor in all that we found out in the autopsy. Does that go with our theory of the case, the facts that we know on my witness statements? And then we're going to put that testimony on within medical examiner in court. So it is fascinating. Jurors who've never been a part of that are usually, when the medical examiner comes in, they're like, oh, yeah, all
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Bubba
right, this is the guy.
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Pamela Casey
What you got for us? And so we have some great. Actually have three female doctors right now in Huntsville that we're working with. So Dr. Green is one of my favorites. I kid her. We've. She's been there a long time, and I've been doing this a long time, and I kid her. I'm her favorite, favorite da. What day can you be here?
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Bubba
Yeah, can you get my. Can you get my case in there? Check it out. So when you're in court, have, you know, we. On the court dramas we see on tv, every now and then you get this big surprise. Do you have that a lot in real life, or is everything, you know, everybody knows the evidence that's coming, you know, through discovery? Is it. Is it more of a formality, or is there actually some circus events that actually happen in court?
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Pamela Casey
I'll tell you, one of the very few cases I've lost It was a guy who'd been kidnapped, put in a trunk, and they were going to take him off and kill him. There was no doubt. He.
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Bubba
Well, you usually, if you have somebody in a trunk, you're not carrying them to dinners, you know.
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Pamela Casey
Well, he manages to throw himself out in the, in the road, like the latch or whatever, and he identifies the guy. I got the guy's DNA. Everything we go in there, I'm like, now he's going to be sitting at the defense table. I'm going to have to ask you, do you recognize anybody in this room or the person who did this to you? Are you going to be able to identify? Oh, yeah, yeah, I'll be able to identify. We get in there. I said, Now, Mr. So and so, do you recognize the guy who did this in the courtroom today? Never once looks over. There he goes, nope, don't see him anywhere. And I'm thinking, what.
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Bubba
Why in the world did he do that?
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Pamela Casey
He's afraid. You know, this guy had a history of. I mean, he had him in the trunk. I mean, he had other people, right? So there were. If he test. If this guy went to prison, he
- [41:24]
Bubba
knew that his other people might be coming back.
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Pamela Casey
And I said, now, now look in the whole courtroom. Nope, don't see him anywhere. And I'm thinking, well, why didn't he
- [41:35]
Bubba
just tell you that ahead of time? He didn't want to test.
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Pamela Casey
That's my point. He had not seen the least bit hesitant the whole time. And so I remember just being so.
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Bubba
What's that saying? You're not supposed to ask any question you don't already know the answer to. What I've always heard.
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Pamela Casey
And I said, now you're sure you can. I'll always be able to identify him. Oh, yeah, I know who did this. And the guy's DNA is on the tape and stuff that was wrapped around his hands and legs.
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Bubba
I mean, it's a slam dunk.
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Pamela Casey
It was a not guilty just because
- [42:05]
Bubba
he couldn't identify it.
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Pamela Casey
I was so mad. I thought, really, man, because you've wasted. I hate to say waste, but, you know, if you weren't going to do that, I could have tried to work some type of a deal out with the guy right beforehand so he at least pled to something. But yeah, and, you know, you always hold my breath when little kids get on the stand.
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Bubba
Yeah. Because you don't know what they're gonna
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Pamela Casey
do and they're so innocent and, and we. You have to remember so. And I've learned this a lot in marriage. Okay. What we think we're asking or saying is not always what the other person is hearing.
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Bubba
The communication loop, communication.
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Pamela Casey
And so you gotta make sure with kids that you're when, when you ask them a question, y' all are on the same page as the what's being asked. I tell my husband that a lot. Sometimes what I'm saying in what you're hearing and we have to, you know, make sure that we're on that same wavelength. So that's probably the hardest is kids in the courtroom.
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Bubba
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Pamela Casey
Well, yeah, we talked a little bit about this earlier, but I'm a hard worker and I'm a fighter. I've had to fight. You know, I kind of grew up. I tell people I was poor, I was free lunch poor before everybody got free lunch. And what I learned early is working hard. And, you know, when I ran in 2010, I was 28 years old when I ran for DA. I'd been at the attorney general's office. And I remember, and it's a God thing that I won that race. Absolutely a God thing, because I was 28. I challenged the incumbent, a former DA, an ADA. Four of us in that race. And Blount county had never elected a woman. And they kept telling me, oh, Blount county won't elect a woman. And I said, well, I think they might. They think times are changing. Times are changing. And then they told me I was too young. Oh, yeah, And I bet you were never told, you know, to wait your turn. You wait your turn and then you come back and we'll let you do it. And I said, well, heck, I've been trying murder cases at the AG's office. They hadn't tried one here in 10 years. But I'll never forget one night that this lady said, they might elect a young female, but you're single. They'll never elect a single young female. I said, if y' all think I'm gonna go get married to win this race, it ain't happening. You know. And the people of Blount County, I've been blessed. I was elected 10, elected in 16, won every box. I had another opponent in 16, reelected in 2022. And I think that shows, should show the state and people watching that I've done what I said I was going to do. And I've worked hard because the people have been, I've been fortunate enough to earn their vote. For three terms.
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Bubba
You know, the, the Attorney General. Now you just mentioned Steve Marshall. I mean, you get to chime in on some Supreme Court cases and file, was it friends of the court briefs or whatever, amicus.
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Pamela Casey
And when I was at the AG's office, I actually got sworn in live at the US Supreme Court. I went with one of our death penalty cases when the Solicitor General went up. And so, yeah, you have a lot of input in federal cases, especially depending on the administration. You know, if there's federal overreach, you have the authority with the state. You know, you represent the state of Alabama in criminal and civil cases. You represent the agencies, the, the workers. You know, I've been sued multiple times. I don't think there's many elected officials who've not been sued.
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Bubba
Goes with the territory, Goes to the territory.
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Pamela Casey
And so the AG's office represents those people. And, and so, you know, I bring experience at the local level, but also having worked in the office, to that. And, you know, I tell everybody if the, if the state of Alabama shut down and they could only play the elected officials, meaning, you know, the governor, the Lieutenant governor, the Secretary of State, and the AG and the AG had to do the work for the state, I could do all the work. I could try the cases, I could write the briefs, I could argue the cases.
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Bubba
Do the full thing.
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Pamela Casey
I could do the full thing. And, you know, it's interesting, in my office currently, we just hired a young girl, she's an intern. And I said, look, I said, I will never ask you to do something I haven't done or wouldn't do myself in the office. So if I ever ask you, hey, throw that trash in the dumpster as you're walking out. No, I probably thrown 300 bags of trash in the dumpster as I walk by.
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Bubba
We've all had that duty one time or another.
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Pamela Casey
And so I bring that to the office. I would never, you know, I have the ability and have done everything in every role in that office on some level, and so I have the ability to lead in that respect.
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Bubba
Well, I appreciate you being part of the process. I mean, there's a lot of people that I think would be very good as an elected official, not just Attorney General, but other positions, but they won't get involved because it is nasty. And, you know, you're gonna have $10 million spent against you, running you down, you know, and, and you can make anybody sound terrible with enough money. And it's, it's tough on your, your spouse, your family. And I just, I Appreciate the people who will at least be willing to serve. And I think we're very lucky in our state. I think we've had some very good people. We've had some real dandies over the years. But, you know, I think there's some good ones, too. You hope more good ones than dandy.
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Pamela Casey
So it is hard. I don't think a lot of people realize it's a roller coaster when you run for office. Good days, bad days. You know, one thing I've always promised, I promise people Blount county this. I don't run a negative campaign. I'm going to tell you what's good about me and why you should elect me. If I'm spending time talking about my opponent, then that means I ain't got anything good to say for itself. And I truly believe, you know, I can tell myself I'm still the poor candidate. But we are polling statistically, Todd, at number one with a margin of error. We are right there at the top in this race. And I've spent $50,000.
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Bubba
Well, I was going to ask you what. What kind of money do you. And you know, it's not. When you start talking about that, you have to get your name out there. You have to get your principles out there. You have to have signs, you have to have stickers. You have to have campaign workers to help you. What kind of money does it take to run a statewide election now?
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Pamela Casey
Well, let me tell you this. I don't think it takes millions of dollars.
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Bubba
Well, 50,000 is not near what I thought you were going to say.
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Pamela Casey
Well, let me just say this, though. Think about it. I've been doing this 20 years, okay? I have a record and a reputation in north Alabama. I have an online presence that I've had for 20 years. And so. And here's the difference between me and maybe other candidates and this race are different races. I do a lot of the work myself. So my graphics, my signs, my everything. And look, if I had. I believe that God has me in this race for a reason. I've never felt more at peace when I was 100% in. And I tell people, God has a testimony in this, and his testimony isn't big. If he's. If I have $2 million in the bank, everybody thought, well, of course you could win. You had $2 million. But I believe God's got a story in this. And, you know, we have a plan to win this race, and we plan on winning this race, and we look forward to serving. And it's not about the Money. People in the state of Alabama are sick of the money. I should be honest with you. If you think about, you know, we get up every day and we look at the gas prices, the grocery process, and it makes us sick that people are putting millions of dollars into campaigns. It makes me sick.
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Bubba
Well, how do you, though? Like, you're, you're well known in north Alabama, but you've got to win in Mobile. You got to win in Montgomery. How do you, how do you get your message out without that money to. To. To get the word out?
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Pamela Casey
Not that I don't want to win Mobile.
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Bubba
Right.
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Pamela Casey
So don't take it this way. Yeah. If you look back at the 2018 race with Marshall and the people he ran against, he didn't win Mobile. He didn't win hardly anything. I think won anything in south Alabama, you know, so you don't have to win. You know, they tell you north Alabama is where the votes are. And so we're going to focus. You know, we have. We have a pretty strong presence in Mobile, and Baldwin and the Wiregrass, we have a lot of DA endorsements down there. But, yeah, you're going to use social media, use different things to get it out.
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Bubba
And how important is social media now in a campaign? Number one, is it really even more so than TV commercials that show you shooting a gun and walking across the feet? You know the jokes about Alabama political commercials. You got, you know, you got to be at a football game.
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Pamela Casey
You will not see me. You got hunter orange.
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Bubba
You got it. You got to have your orange hat with a shotgun walking across a dove field somewhere. I mean, that's standard. They all do that.
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Pamela Casey
Wouldn't you love to see the bloopers of right before that video?
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Bubba
Yes. Yes.
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Pamela Casey
What they're telling how to hold the gun. Hey, I took a hunter safety course in high school. I'm that girl from the country.
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Bubba
Right. You can actually shoot.
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Pamela Casey
I can actually shoot.
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Bubba
And.
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Pamela Casey
But wouldn't you love to see, like that before they ever start that or tell them how to dress, hold the gun. Yeah, I just don't.
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Bubba
Some of the guys you can tell don't know what they're doing the way they hold a gun.
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Pamela Casey
Well, and think about it, if you and I are sitting here laughing about it, everybody in the States like, well, here comes another one of those, you know, and people are sick. I'm sick as a voter of people thinking you can say five or six buzzwords, and then we, you know, we should vote for you right now. I want to see what you've Done? What have you done? Do you have a record? What? What? You know, until you've been in the arena, I mean, my name's been on the door in terms of accountability, and until you've shown that you can be accountable with the people's vote. You know, I just don't believe in propaganda. I believe in a message and a record, and that's what I bring to this race. And support. We have really deep grassroots support in this race all over the state.
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Bubba
You know, one of the things I'd like to see you prosecute is Robbie McAlpine. And, you know, he's got a lot of overdue parking tickets.
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Pamela Casey
I bet I can find something. Donkeys or something now. On a farm.
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Bubba
Listen, he's got all kinds. He's always got a bunch of stuff going. He's funny. We love a Robbie. We've worked with him and known him a long time. He's funny. And he's a councilman up there now.
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Pamela Casey
I know. I told him to run for mayor. You think you could call him mayor if he won?
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Bubba
I barely call him councilman.
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Pamela Casey
Well, you know, they put him over on the end. They won't let him sit closer to the.
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Bubba
Well. They go by heights, you know, like in a picture, you know, he knows he's short. I am, too. I know how it is. I'm on the end. I never get to be in the middle. You know, I know how that goes. Pamela Casey, District Attorney, Blount county, running for Attorney General of Alabama. Pamela, thank you for stopping by on the lake and chatting with us and letting people get to know you a little better.
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Pamela Casey
Well, I've had a great time. Like I said this summer, if you see me, too, Lin down there, just feel like she's back.
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Bubba
Just come back anytime. We tell everybody we love to have guests. You know, that's. That's one of the fun things, being here and just let them do what they want to do. If I want to go take a nap, I'll go take a nap. You know, at the lake, you just do what you want to do.
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Pamela Casey
That's right.
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Bubba
That's part of. That's the lake mentality.
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Pamela Casey
Lake time. Lake time.
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Bubba
That's right. That's right. So, Pamela, thank you so much, and good luck to you, and we'll be watching that and see how that plays out. But thank you for keeping the bad guys off the street for us.
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Pamela Casey
Well, thank you for having me. It's my honor to serve.
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Bubba
Thank you. You're listening to Bubba, Bubba on the Lake. What a matchup. We've got folks just non stop action. The energy is electric and the fans are all in. An intense game like this calls for a Coca Cola. Ah, crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer. Yeah, that taste scores every time. And just like that, they're back at it. Passionate fans in an ice cold Coca Cola. Now that's a winning combo. No matter the team, no matter the sport. Everyone knows fan work is thirsty work. Enjoy a Coca Cola. Just got that new boat. Let Sunrise Docks protect your investment with swift shield boat covers, Neptune boat lifts and easy ports for your personal watercraft. Plus they have composite decking that has stays cool. Designed with your feet in mind, Sunrise Docks is always first in quality, first
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Hunter Bussy
Great.
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Bubba
A little stuffy. Wait a minute. Now try it.
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Hunter Bussy
Great. A little stuffy. Other than that.
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Bubba
Well, you wouldn't hear. You better if I'll pot you up.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah, it's all good.
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Bubba
It's all good.
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Hunter Bussy
No, I can hardly talk anyway, so it. You wouldn't be missing much, but yeah, overall great games past couple of days. Tonight's game, we as we're recording this. We just got done watching Yukon and Duke and we had an absolute amazing 19 point comeback and buzzer beater from Yukon to take out the number one overall seed, Duke Blue Devils.
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Bubba
Yeah, I mentioned that at the beginning of the show. What a finish. I mean they just chipped away. They look like the game was over. They just chipped away. Chipped away, chipped away. Then a guy who wasn't even having a good game. They didn't get the guy they wanted to take the shot.
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Hunter Bussy
No.
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Bubba
And he threads it, man, from almost half court. What a finish.
- [60:39]
Hunter Bussy
From Narnia. I mean he, he popped it from Narnia, the parking lot, you. You name it. Different area code. It was amazing.
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Bubba
That was really, really crazy. So how give us our final four teams now we're down to.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah. So currently we are down to Illinois, Arizona, Michigan and Yukon. Personally, I think the matchup between Michigan and Arizona that happens, they're facing each other in the final four. That game to me is going to be who wins the national title because I just don't think UConn or Illinois can match up with either of those two. They're very deep. They're very big. And personally I'm pulling for Michigan because of Yaxel Lindenberg who played at UAB last year. He was their best player and he's kind of doing, you know, representing Birmingham well for the Michigan Wolverine. So I'm pulling for Michigan. Hopefully they can pull it out. We'll see though.
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Bubba
Is the bracket updated on the website that.
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Hunter Bussy
Yes. Are you talking about the bracket challenge?
- [61:36]
Bubba
Yes.
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Hunter Bussy
Yes. Yeah, it is officially updated as. As of the Duke upset. So it looks like currently M Child, whoever that is. If you could please change your name to your first and last name on your bracket because it's ESPN fan. 20 million 400. 400, you know, whatever.
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Bubba
So if. Am I looking at this right? Most of these people on the front page. Yes. All have a percentage of 98 or higher. Percentage.
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Hunter Bussy
Yes. The. The number one is nuts. That is nuts. So the number one, like ranked person m child again, please change your bracket name to your first and last name because it's gonna be hard as crap to find you.
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Bubba
Where are you seeing that at?
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Hunter Bussy
If you scroll on the app, I don't know what it looks like on the website, but on the app, if you scroll to percentage, they currently have 99.8 percentile. Correct. That is absurd.
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Bubba
That is ESPN fan. 20, 44, 42, 44, 17 something, right?
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah, that's cor.
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Bubba
That is just unreal. How can I find my bracket hunter? What I'm doing. I can't find my.
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Hunter Bussy
Should be. It should be at the top when you log in. Like mine currently is the rank to
- [62:44]
Bubba
log in on my phone to do it, I guess.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah. Or on there. Maybe on the website. You should be able to do it.
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Bubba
Talk about. Just talk about the first four or five people here, how close they are.
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Hunter Bussy
I mean, like, it's literally like from first place, they're currently like as of right now. The other day it was like, like three ties for first, two ties for second. Now it's kind of starting to even out as we get closer to the end of the tournament. But we got Jeremy Character, he is in second place. Rock Chalk, Sixes B Beast in third place, Josh Perry in fourth place and another ESPN fan person in there in fifth. But they picked Michigan State and they won't last too long.
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Bubba
But yeah, they're. They're all within 40 points of each other and all of them have a percentage of picking of 99% and higher.
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Hunter Bussy
That's absurd.
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Bubba
That. That is. Do y' all realize the chances of doing that with the upsets we've had? I mean, that's crazy. Like, they're from the future.
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Hunter Bussy
Who wants to go to Vegas?
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Bubba
They got. I mean, they got the sports almanac.
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Hunter Bussy
They do.
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Bubba
To the future and came back.
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Hunter Bussy
They do.
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Bubba
How else can you do that?
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Hunter Bussy
It's ridiculous. It is ridiculous. And like, some of my friends were doing good at one point and then they've kind of fallen apart to like Taylor and Duncan. But, you know, it's just. It's funny. It's just funny how this has really played out. It really. It really has. I thought last year was going to be chaotic, but this year it's just.
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Pamela Casey
Just.
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Hunter Bussy
It's topped it for sure. So it's fun.
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Bubba
How can I find. Can I search it on here?
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah.
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Bubba
On the website?
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah, if it has a search thing.
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Bubba
I don't see a search thing.
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Hunter Bussy
I never look at it on the website. I just look at it on the app. It's easier that way.
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Bubba
Well, I'll look at it. I know, I know. I'm like, you know, 400 out of 757, which, by the way, great. Great that everybody got in that.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah, yeah, we. We appreciate.
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Bubba
A little late getting it out there again, you know, Mark, we know when March is coming, people. We really do.
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Hunter Bussy
Well, it's always good to promote it the day of the selection show because people will forget. And, you know, this year we had 757 bracket submissions, so that's. It's. It's really cool to see y', all, you know, kind of attack that and sign up. And we're very thankful and appreciative for everyone to participate.
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Bubba
So some of the names, too, are so funny on this. I. I like going through and just rating the names of some of these. If you haven't. You need. Yeah, some of them I can't repeat. But you are funny. So that. That. That's part of that. So we're down to the final four. We are. We have that next weekend, right?
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Hunter Bussy
Yes.
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Bubba
In the championship game Monday night.
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Hunter Bussy
Correct.
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Bubba
Okay.
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Hunter Bussy
So Easter Sunday will be the breather, and then we'll get into the chaos again, and we'll crown a national champion, Odd Hunter.
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Bubba
We'll be looking for an update on that. See if you can find my bracket on your search.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah, let me see.
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Bubba
It's called Bubba's Epic Fury or something like that.
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Hunter Bussy
Is it? Okay, hang on.
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Bubba
Just see if you can find it for me.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah, let's see.
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Bubba
Let me. Let me mention too, because we're also going to use this as our closing segment this week. Appreciate Pamela Casey being on the DA From Blount county, candidate for Secretary of state. I'm sorry, candidate for Attorney General. Let me get that office correct. Appreciate all of our sponsors that continue to support this podcast. Without them, it wouldn't happen. Of course. We're broadcasting from the Mellow Yellow studio, and I'm so glad to have them as a sponsor. And remember our website, bub on the lake dot com. Our comment line. 308 Big Lake. We want to hear what's going on with you there. And some of those make it to air, some of them don't. But we enjoy hearing from all of them and always support us on social media. Did you find me?
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah. How bad so percent you want your percentage?
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Bubba
I don't know what number I am. And then. What? My 251.
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Hunter Bussy
You're right behind me.
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Bubba
251. I moved up 251.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah, you moved because I guess a pick you had got, you know, depending on the amount today, I would be higher. Oh, yeah.
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Bubba
I had been win the final four.
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Hunter Bussy
Percentage wise, you're 59.3. I'm sitting at 79 something.
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Bubba
Well, good.
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Hunter Bussy
But it's because of the point values on who you pick and everything.
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Bubba
Oh yeah.
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Hunter Bussy
Because you had Arkansas, you went pretty heavy SEC in yours.
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Bubba
Yes, I did.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah.
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Bubba
Arkansas. And they did good in Florida and Tennessee. Yeah, I thought any of those were capable of going to.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah, yeah. I mean Florida, I mean they had a good team. Their guard play just fell apart back into the season.
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Bubba
So there you have it. We've got the update on that. Hunter, thank you for that.
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Hunter Bussy
Of course.
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Bubba
I hope your allergies get a little bit better. Yep. And you'll be back, I guess next week to. To set the. Tell us who the winner is.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah.
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Bubba
Yeah. It's gonna be fun.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah. And please, again, if you're listening to this and you have submitted a bracket and you're in the number one spot, please change your bracket name to your first and last name. So it's not hard to find you.
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Bubba
Well, they, some of them just don't want to do that. I want the anonymity of it.
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Pamela Casey
Yeah.
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Bubba
And I understand that. Special note too. We have a lot going on at Jack State right now and we are bringing back the. The coaches show which is part of. It's called Jack State Live in the Spring. That's what we call it. Jack State Live. It's an hour long TV and radio show. Eli Gold hosts that for us. And that starts again this Monday night which is March 30th. Is that right? What is that? March 30th. And we're at a new location. We're at Lost Pizza, which is right across from Amherst Stadium. For those of you familiar with the area on Mountain Avenue north or Mountain Street Northwest, I think. But it's right across from the stadium. Most everybody knows where that is. So we're excited to be working with them for Jack State Live. Be sure to come out and see it and if not, look and check your local listings, radio and TV for that. So that'll be kicking up lot going on in the athletic department at Jack State right now. In the spring, our bowling teams headed to the regionals ranked number one in the country. Amazing. Are we? Amazing. Amazing what they have done. I've met some of the girls when they're on recruiting trips coming in and it's amazing. And, you know, we're about to build a bowling alley there for them to practice. And it's going to be part of a bigger project.
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Hunter Bussy
I don't want to brag, but I did bowl of 120the other night at Vestavia Ball. Now, they'll probably smoke me if I play them in bowling, but look.
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Bubba
No, they're. They're going to bowl in the high 250.
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Hunter Bussy
Oh, yeah.
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Bubba
Maybe even further. But to do 120 is good. Bowling's not easy.
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Hunter Bussy
No. I bet when they bowl the ball, you know, it just connects to the ground. Pretty soft. Mine's like when it hits the ground
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Bubba
and I throw mine a good bit down the line.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah.
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Bubba
Yeah. I don't. I don't know. It's hard for me to get down there.
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Hunter Bussy
No, it's not graceful. I throw it like Helga. You know what I mean? It's like just.
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Bubba
Well, I will tell you, if you have not watched bowling and ESPN covers a lot of this nationally, it is very exciting.
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Hunter Bussy
It is.
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Bubba
It is very. And the college game, they have made it so much fun. I mean, they come out and they make a big hoopla out of it, and it's a lot of fun. So we're going to be cheering on the Gamecocks, hopefully for another national championship. I want. If they make it to the national tournament, I'd like to go to the.
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Pamela Casey
That.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah. Where's it at?
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Bubba
It is in Cleveland, Ohio. Wow.
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Hunter Bussy
Nice.
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Bubba
Home of the Rock and Roll hall of Fame, which I would like to see.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah, that would be cool to see, actually.
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Bubba
And one other quick update. Artemis 2 is on the launch pad. They are predicting April 1st. I hunter a lot of moving parts right now. I don't know that we're going to get there for.
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Hunter Bussy
I don't like how it's on April 1st either. We'll just get there.
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Bubba
It's almost like a joke.
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Hunter Bussy
They're just going to be. Oh, just kidding.
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Bubba
Yeah, don't. Don't gag me on that one, you know. Come on. But we'll keep an eye on that. Keep everybody updated. You got something? Yes.
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Hunter Bussy
Real quick, because we watched it. Fine. I got you and mom in the theater to watch it. Project Hail Mary.
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Bubba
Oh, yeah.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah.
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Bubba
We'll have to review that next pod.
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Hunter Bussy
Yes.
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Bubba
Because we're running a lot.
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Hunter Bussy
Okay. Okay.
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Bubba
But it's a great movie.
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Hunter Bussy
It is. I've seen it twice now. It's really good. If you're a space person, it's. It's your go to. For sure.
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Bubba
The only thing was a little strange to me. I never pictured an alien as a little rock man.
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Hunter Bussy
Yeah, but, you know, you never know.
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Bubba
He was funny.
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Hunter Bussy
He was funny.
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Bubba
He had some comedy, so gotta love that. All right, folks, that is going to do it for this edition of Bub on the Lake. Thank you so much for being a part of it. And remember, as we sail into Doc, until we see you next time, God loves you and so do we. Take care of yourself. This podcast is brought to you in part by Russell Lands Coke Buffalo Wild Wings Southern Immediate Care Guaranteed Labels Central State bank, Sunrise Docks, Dr. Thomas Dudney and the Green Monster Fishing light B U double b A on the lake hey, Wishing I could listen to the show every day? Hey Gotta hear what bubba and his buddies gotta say on b ub A on the lake? In the mellow yellow studio putting on a show? Betty say what she always on the go? We got on a bus sitting at master control? Don't wanna miss a moment? Cause bubba's got the flow? B U double b A on the lake? Hey, wishing not to listen to the show every day? Hey? Gotta hear what bubba and his buddies gotta say on b U double b a A on the lake? Hey? B U b A hey B U b A hey B U double b A hey? B U double b A on the lake.