Big CHANGES coming to the BILLS D line: Who STAYS? Who GOES? Who FITS better in a NEW SCHEME

Summary

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Buffalo Plus Podcast – Episode Summary

Episode Title: Big CHANGES Coming to the BILLS D Line: Who STAYS? Who GOES? Who FITS Better in a NEW SCHEME
Date: February 12, 2026
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes
Theme: An in-depth offseason breakdown of the Buffalo Bills defensive line—analyzing 2025 performance, potential schema shifts under new defensive leadership, roster questions (who returns, who departs), and how players fit into the evolving defense.

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Main Theme and Purpose

The Buffalo Plus team dissects the Bills' defensive line situation heading into the 2026 season. With significant schematic changes anticipated under a new coordinator, the hosts debate which players will fit, who’s likely to stay or go, the impact of injuries, recent draft picks, and how the organization’s repeated investments in pass rush have (or haven’t) paid off. There's also forward-looking speculation on possible free-agent or trade additions and reflections on unmet needs that haunt the Bills' championship quest.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The State of the Bills D-Line and Schematic Shift

• The defensive line enters 2026 with looming personnel changes due to a major shift—likely to a 3-4 or hybrid front under Jim Leonhard ([02:38], [15:24]).
• Some positions and player skillsets may fit better (or worse) in the new scheme, sparking debates on future roles and value.

Quote:
"[Switching schemes]...for some players, it's going to unlock something. For other players, it could...they could be a little bit lost." — Mike Catalana [15:02]

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2. Player-by-Player Breakdown — DE & EDGE

Greg Rousseau

• Guaranteed to return, but impact debated:
  "He's the only one that's guaranteed to be back as far as a D end is concerned. ...He's a good player who needs to be back. He's not a great player." — Mike [02:38–03:15]
• Likened to “the Khalil Shakir of the D-Line”: solid but not special; best of a weak group ([05:11]).
• Needs a true number one pass rusher across from him to thrive.
• Set the "floor" for D-end play, but falling short of expectations: "He has been polarizing. He's been good, but...he has not been great. And I think that's the frustration." — Jenna [07:59–08:46]

Joey Bosa

• Free agent, not expected back.
  "Tried it, didn't work." — Jenna [13:36]
• Had moments but was targeted in the run game; upkeep ($7.2 million cap hit) not justified ([11:09–13:21]).
• "Even if we all thought...if you could bubble wrap him...I thought he played worse as the season went on." — Dan [11:28]

A.J. Epenesa

• Likely gone, rotational value but never broke out.
• "I'm gonna miss AJ but he's definitely gone." — Mike [17:01]
• A functional role player who didn't live up to second-round expectations ([17:08–18:21]).

Michael Hoecht

• "Played in two games, tore his Achilles...But...the Bills fan base, like, fell in love with him." — Jenna [18:58]
• Versatile, energetic; scheme-flexible, possibly impactful if healthy ([18:58–20:38]).

Landon Jackson

• Third-rounder, out with major injury; early concerns about NFL readiness.
  "I don't think he was ready to play in the NFL...Maybe this injury...getting rehabbed and coming back later will be good for him." — Mike [23:29–24:25]

Javon Solomon

• Small, fast, fifth-round pick, played almost exclusively on special teams; possible fit as role player but must earn a spot ([28:09–29:19]).

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3. Player-by-Player Breakdown — Interior DL

Ed Oliver

• "I think they're hopeful that this scheme really works for Ed. ...I do think there is another level for him. ...I guess you could almost argue that he's played out of position a little bit." — Mike [29:48–30:39]
• Could benefit from being moved to a more natural outside technique.
• Possibility of reworking contract if he thrives in the new system.

Dion Walker & TJ Sanders

• Recent high draft picks, flashed at times, but fit uncertain.
• Walker: Large but surprisingly mobile, more like Ed Oliver than a traditional space-eater ([33:02–34:24]).
• Sanders: "Lost year" due to injuries and positional shuffling; needs to find his spot in Leonhard’s defense ([35:02–37:20]).

DaQuan Jones

• Likely gone (age/cap hit), despite being “a good Buffalo Bill.”
  "At some point you drafted these younger players, you're changing this scheme." — Mike [38:09]

Larry Ogunjobi

• Failed free agent swing; suspended and ineffective.
• "Look, it was a failed free agent signing...they honored the contract. Even though...two guys suspended, I mean, it was bad." — Mike [39:36–39:54]

Dwayne Carter

• Injured, role in flux; depth question.
  "He wasn't bad in the Hallmark movie...Just got to see if he can play." — Mike [41:30–41:40]

Depth and Practice-Squad Types

• Zion Logue, Federian Mathis: Minor flashes, but expectation is more competition and churn with new faces, possibly from Broncos/Panthers connections or UW-Wisconsin/Leonhard tree ([42:30–43:44]).

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4. Roster Building and Ongoing Needs

• Chronic Bills challenge: Still searching for game-changing pass rusher and “true #1” wide receiver ([13:47], [14:02]).
• Heavy investments in picks and money haven’t translated to dominance or postseason breakthrough.
• Opportunities for younger/cheaper players to seize jobs with so many contracts expiring and a potential scheme fit mismatch ([35:29–36:13]).

Quote:
"Year after year...what year will it be where we don't have to talk about pass rush and wide receiver?" — Jenna [13:47]

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5. Looking Forward – Trades, Draft Targets, and Dream Acquisitions

• Repeated, tongue-in-cheek calls for “Max Crosby” as the dream target ([00:00], [10:44–11:04], [40:59]).
• Speculation about making a move for Texas’s T’Vondre Sweat (massive DT) as a possible scheme fit for a run-stuffing/front-eating role ([31:31–33:08]).

Quotes:
"I want Max Crosby so bad. That's all I want. That's all I think about. I just want Max Crosby." — Dan [00:00], [10:44]
"Trondre Sweat...a guy that really piques my interest as that man eater kind of guy in the middle." — Dan [32:39]

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6. Notable Player Moments and Anecdotes

• Michael Hoecht’s vibrant personality and impact—on and off field (including a training camp story, [22:14–23:16]).
• Dorian Strong’s serious neck injury and the hosts' hopes for a full recovery post-surgery ([43:58–45:39]).

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• On Defensive End Value:

  • "His [Rousseau's] job: talking about where they rank in the NFL." — Mike [05:55]
  • "You want something better than Rousseau...It's not to help Greg become 1A and 1B. Like, you want Greg to be 2 and you want to go and get a true number one guy." — Dan [09:53]

• On Scheme Fit and Change:

  • "[This is] a substantial change, personnel in the scheme." — Mike [18:21]
  • "We're going to hear this year, he's going to be...in this system, I'm like, in two games under McDermott system, he played well...coming off an Achilles." — Mike (re: Hoecht) [19:14–19:54]

• On Recurring Team Needs:

  • "I feel like we talk about the exact same thing. It's pass, pass rush and wide receiver." — Jenna [13:47]

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Timeline of Important Segments

• [02:38] – Rousseau’s role and value, and opening of D-line debate
• [04:32] – The debate on Rousseau vs. Shakir vs. expectations
• [09:53] – The case for needing a true #1 DE, “wanting better than Rousseau”
• [11:09] – Joey Bosa’s season/future examined
• [15:24] – Shift to new scheme, player fits under Jim Leonhard
• [18:39] – Epenesa’s tenure, likely departure
• [19:14] – Michael Hoecht’s impact and injury
• [23:29] – Landon Jackson’s injury, future prospects
• [28:09] – Solomon and special-teams types breakdown
• [29:24] – Ed Oliver’s role in new system
• [31:31] – Trade speculation for T’Vondre Sweat
• [38:02] – DaQuan Jones' likely exit
• [41:14] – Dwayne Carter, depth questions
• [43:58] – Dorian Strong, injury update and hopes

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Tone & Takeaways

• Candid, bantering, and grounded in realism, the episode delivers a clear-eyed appraisal of a Bills position group in flux.
• There’s a mix of frustration (at unmet edge-rush potential), hope (in youth and change), and humor (trade dreams for “Max Crosby,” playful jabs among hosts).
• The D-line is at a true crossroads, where youth, health, and adaptability to a new system will determine if the Bills can finally solve their pass rush puzzle—or remain stuck in the same old conversations.

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Transcript

[A]

Yeah, I want Max Crosby so bad. That's all I want. That's all I think about. I just want Max Crosby. I just all just go through my head, lay my head down tonight thinking about Max Crosby.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Should we get more into that or.

[A]

Just want Max Crosby. Now? From the Connors and Ferris podcast studio, this is the Buffalo plus podcast.

[C]

Welcome back to the Buffalo plus podcast. Mike Catalana, Dan Fades. I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to like, comment, subscribe and share. We are here in the Connors and Ferris podcast studio and today we're talking about the Bill's defensive line, what they had in 2025, what things will look like ahead, as well as some of the guys and the players that we wanted to talk about. But before we do that, Daniel, we got to talk about all the people that shouted us out in the comments and where they watch from because it's pretty incredible.

[A]

Yeah, we said, we joked around about Winstead, Connecticut and how they're apparently we are a big Buffalo plus city.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

They reached out back, they said that they were. There's a Bill's backers bar there. We had people watching St. Catherine's Ontario. We had people in Mexico that was talking about the garbage plate. We had people in Brazil, Saudi Arabia, bananas, the amount of people. And it was really cool that like when you ask that question to get the response that we did. So again, I think we want to. Mike, there are some people in Binghamton they said they've been watching you for a long time. Not think about this though.

[B]

I was only in Binghamton for like a year and a half and I think I, I believe the person said I covered something they did in high school then. So yeah, shout out. That was cool that. Yeah, it's been been a long time since I've been there and really was from all over. All over the country and the world. The world, the world worldwide. The worldwide leader, Buffalo plus. How about that?

[C]

I do love it.

[B]

That's cool.

[C]

And we got a message from Job in. He's a Tulsa Bill's backer. I hope I'm pronouncing that, but Bill's backers bar from Tulsa, Oklahoma who also reached out. So very cool stuff.

[A]

Well, we met people from England, we've met people in Australia. They were messaging and started watching Australia. Now watching in D.C. pretty cool stuff.

[C]

Yeah, we love it. All right, so we really appreciate that reminder. If you haven't already subscribed, be sure to. We really, really, really appreciate that. All right, let's get into though we're going by position, group, position, group throughout this entire offseason. Just breaking down what the Bills have done on both sides of the ball, where they're at in terms of their roster. And Michael, for the defensive line, I feel like we have to start with your guy. Greg Russo.

[B]

He's the only one that's guaranteed to be back as far as a D end is concerned. I think Michael Hoyt's going to be in a considered a different position this year. More of like that outside rush linebacker.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, who knows? Like we said, it's a 3, 4 that at times will have different guys in the front space because they've put themselves in this spot at defensive end. Rousseau got paid last year. We joke about a lot of times he's a good player who needs to be back. He's not a great player. And the truth comes out when I speak. How about that?

[C]

Because your glasses.

[B]

I apologize. I'm shook it for wearing the glasses. I know sometimes people get all worked up when one of us wears glasses.

[A]

Let's not drop them today.

[B]

I'm not going to drop them. I'm gonna keep them right here because I'm reading all my notes. I got a lot of notes. My one note is Gregory so's good. And they have to have him there. I don't know if any of the other guys on on the list who have played D end for this team are guaranteed to be back. I think a few of them, I think, will almost definitely be gone. Some of that is the change in philosophy on defense. Some of that is the end of contracts. Yeah. Even though it cost you more. And I think Greg Russo has a physical skill set to play both of these schemes. Yeah, I think he does. He'll be used probably differently. It's going to be an adjustment for him. But hey, like I said, he's coming back. There's no doubt he's going to be on the roster.

[A]

This is off season, Mike, where he, like, tempers expectations. And then as the season gets closer, you're going to be like, this is the year. It's a dozen sacks for Greg Russo.

[B]

I mean, I said he was going to be the best D and he was. Okay, last man standing.

[A]

That's a low bar. That's a low bar to clear.

[C]

Why is he so polarizing in your opinion?

[B]

Because I think when people see a defensive end and he got paid a second contract, they think about getting to the quarterback. Hey, look, he's got to get to the quarterback more. He did show those flashes.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Then we saw the Cleveland game. He was great in that game. He made plays. He's the only guy that sets the edge. He really was the only one.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That is his strength.

[A]

After seeing Bosa lack, you know, not do that at all.

[B]

So in that case, he is a. Like I said, he is a good football player. And I will say this. And some people push back. I think he's the equivalent at defensive end that Khalil Shakir is at wide receiver.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Is that not fair?

[A]

I feel like Shakir's made more plays.

[C]

I agree with that. I also think Khalil is not as physically gifted as Greg Rousseau is because you.

[A]

You see the size and you think, yes, you expect more.

[B]

I'm talking about pretty production. I'm saying is, if I was looking at defensive ends in the NFL, I think Greg Russo is somewhere in the 20s.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

23, 24, 25. Wherever.

[A]

I think Shakir's outside. Yeah. Shakir is outside the top 30.

[B]

Yes. For wide receivers in terms of like. But he's a really good player.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think we all agree that Khalil Shakira can be a better player if he had more help.

[C]

I don't.

[A]

I. I don't like how you tried to twist that. Yeah, I don't like because. Because Shakir is. His role is safety, blanket, slot, wide receiver. Like, I don't put Shakir and Justin Jefferson in like this.

[B]

Justin Jefferson. Justin Jefferson. You are talking about the top three receiver in the NFL.

[A]

I'm saying is if I'm talking about. Wide receivers have different responsibilities in roles. Greg Russo's responsibility should be to get the quarterback on the ground and to affect the game, and he doesn't do that enough.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's where I feel like Shakira has. Does his role more consistently at the level. If Shakira was dropping passes, then I could sit there and say, well, he's not doing his job, but Shakir does.

[B]

His job, talking about where they rank in the NFL.

[A]

So you're trying to skew the stats.

[B]

To help your best receiver of a bad group. Greg Russo is the best defensive end of a poor group. That's what I'm saying to you.

[A]

That's fair.

[C]

I. I see what you're saying. I don't personally.

[A]

Yeah, he's trying to shoehorn.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Try to drag Shakir down with. With Rousseau and I don't like it.

[B]

No, I'm saying is people love Shakir. And I will say this in fairness. Shakir was what, fifth round pick. Greg was a late first round, 30th, first round pick, 30th pick in the draft. I think they're similar in a sense of forget the draft status now. They both got paid a second contract. They both make good money. I don't know where Shakir's is in terms of wide receivers. Wide receivers is really high paid. So are defensive ends. I think they're both probably around 20 something or something.

[A]

Yeah, they're.

[B]

They're in the low and then their numbers will continue to go down.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because other people are going to get paid more. I didn't want to make this about specifically about Shakir. I just meant like, I do think Shakir would be helped if, man, there was somebody really good on the outside.

[C]

I like that piece of the argument because I agree if. If Gregory so had a great running me, I think his stats would jump significantly because that just helps everything. What is the saying? Like a rising tide lifts all boats. That's why I think not to get into like Tim Settle, but I think Tim Settle had a really great year this year because he had outstanding players around him. But I think that you hit the nail on the head, Mike, in terms of expectations because Greg was a first round pick, because he was 30th overall. Because we've talked about him for so many years taking that next step forward. And I think that's why he has been polarizing is he's been good. But you're right, he has not been great. Right. And I think that's the frustration level. But you're right, him, he will be back. It is wild. Dan. He will only be 26 years old this season. Season.

[A]

Still young.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean that is pretty incredible.

[A]

Still young.

[B]

And we do see defensive ends play at a high level into their 30s. Right. I mean they may not everybody gets a little worried when they get in their 30s, but they can play that way. So I think don't we all, coaching wise, I think the team and I think they will be happy with Russo not thrilled. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think they look at him and go, this guy can play. This guy can do these things. Can they unlock something in him? Some of it could be coaching, some of it just on him. Right, right. I mean, I'm not. I really do want to see him be more impactful. But he's. He's sort of. He's standing there in that room by himself a little bit like, I don't know. Javon Solomon doesn't make a lot of money. He's made virtually no impact on the defense. Right, Right. I mean, they were playing Andre Jones. Yeah. And I know I'm mentioning other guys that we're going to talk about, but I just think that you look at Russo, you know, he sets the edge. He also kind of set the floor. Like, that's where he is every year. And I. I want him to be better.

[A]

That's the thing is that when I look especially at, like, the defensive end position and like, what the Bills could really need is that, like, it's. Mike might be right. Because what I'm going to say here is it's kind of like Shakir, like, you want something better than Russo. Like, I think if you really go and take a swing and get an edge rusher, it's not to help Greg become 1A and 1B. Like, you want Greg to be 2 and you want to go and get a true number one guy. Like, that's. That's where I'm sitting there is where it's no longer like, well, if we get some. If we get some guys that are decent around Greg, will he become a number one elite pass rusher? It's. No. Let's get an elite pass rusher. So Greg's the. I think that second option, kind of like Shakir. If you give somebody above Shakir that can be that guy, then maybe Shakir can thrive more. A little bit lower expectations.

[B]

Yeah. You agree with me. I know I walked in so Max.

[A]

Crosby, but I made about. Yeah, I want Max Crosby so bad. That's all I want. That's all I think about. I just want Max Crosby. That's just. All Just goes through my head, lay my head down tonight. Thinking about Max Crosby.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Should we get more into that or.

[A]

Just want Max Crosby?

[C]

Okay. Anyways, let's move on.

[B]

There's the open.

[C]

Joey Bosa. Actually, I'll start with you, Dan. Joey Bosa. So he free agent this season. 31 years old, five sacks this last season, five force fumbles. Void year. His cap hit in 2026 for the Bills is going to be $7.2 million that signing. What are your thoughts?

[A]

Didn't work out. I think you wanted him for even more than anything. Even if we all thought, you know, we joked, oh, if you could bubble wrap him and then put him in for the postseason because then he'll. He'll do it. And I thought he played worse as the season went on. I know he battled the wrist injury, but early on he made impact plays. Maybe the Cleveland game was the last one where I thought he really made. Made a couple of impact plays.

[B]

But New England made that play in New England. Had a good game against Kansas City. Like, individually, he had good games. But to your point, they brought him in for that. To make that big play.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Against Bo Nicks. To make that big play, you know, against Trevor Lawrence.

[A]

But it's not even. It's not even the big plays. It was allowing big plays. That's. That's what hurt them with. With. And I know, like, Greg does a great job at setting the edge. It is shocking when it's like, oh, it's setting the edge. It's like, oh, he gets guys in and out of the huddle, like as the, you know, the quarterback or the middle linebacker. But you saw when it wasn't there and they ran to Bose's side.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was fully exposed. And left other guys out to try.

[B]

Jenna, you see it in basketball. Even great scores, like, sometimes when they're on defense, they hunt them. Yeah. And they look for them because they know that is not what they do well. And I think teams, it appeared that they saw that in Bosa and just went after him in their run game and it put the Bills on their heels. It's not always just the yards you give up. What do they always say? And I agree with this. You earn the right to rush the passer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If you're in third and three all the time, man, that's tough. That gets really tough. So I think that was the case with Bosa. I do not think they'll be in the market to bring him back. Somebody's going to pay him. He stayed healthy this year. Yeah.

[C]

He's been able to play in many years.

[B]

Somebody will pay him. And I think his number, I think they at least spot track had him as a projected number is like 13 million this year. I just. I don't think he's back.

[A]

No, don't think so either.

[C]

I don't think so either.

[A]

Tried it didn't work.

[C]

Yeah. I appreciate the trying. Hey, why don't. Why don't you see. Why don't you take a swing? But it is what year.

[B]

You mean Beans trying.

[C]

But, like, what year will it be where we don't have to talk about pass rush and wide receiver because the Bills have addressed those needs every year. I feel like we talk about the exact same thing. It's pass, pass rush and wide receiver.

[B]

It's what knocked him out of the playoffs. And Brandon Bean is the one who has said that. Wait, the way you go out tells you a lot about Your team, wide receivers let him down. They didn't get to the quarterback.

[A]

Hey, look at what Seattle was able to do. Like, it's funny, like, I know we're talking about individual players, but kind of wanting to look at the big picture of the lack of being able to get after the quarterback. And it's like Christian Benford was like their best blitzer because of, like, what he was able to do in effect, from that position. So, like, they had to get creative. And you just. You see the playoffs when teams got after quarterbacks, how much it affected them. And I know that's what Jim Leonard wants to do, and that's great. That's what every defensive coordinator wants to do. But I looked at that Seattle defense, and I was just like, they're filled with dudes. Yeah, they just got tons of dudes out there all over the field. They've drafted some sign something, free agency, and that's what helped them win a championship. And that's. That falls on being. To end this narrative or end this hunt.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

To solve this problem. Yeah.

[C]

Because they have invest. They have tried, at least pass rush. They have invested a lot of money. They have invested a lot of draft capital. Like, they have definitely invested a lot, but it just has not panned out to where you would sit back and say the Bills have fully addressed that. They. They have what they need, and they know that going forward.

[B]

It'll be fascinating to see what Jim Leonard wants to do with the two guys they drafted last year, Deion Walker and TJ Sanders. And TJ Ended up. When he played. He was hurt, and he came back. They had to play him at end like they were shorthanded. We need to really see how Leonard wants to play this. I think. I think Ed Oliver is going to be more of. In the. In this. In what appears to be the base. He's going to be on the outside. He's not in the middle. Yeah, I think he's going to be. But then again, if this defense in the base, first down spot has two outside linebackers that can rush or bring him up to the line, like I mentioned, a guy like Michael Hoyt, it puts Ed in. In a little different spot. That, to me, is going to be fascinating. Like, we're talking about these guys and how they performed In a Sean McDermott, Bobby Babbage defense, this one's going to be very different. And I do believe for some players, it's going to unlock something. For other players, it could. They could be a little bit lost. Yeah, I think they Will have different ways to try to create pass rush.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

In this system. So. And we'll see if it works.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Epanessa.

[C]

Yes. AJ Epanessa, 28 years old this season free agent. Had two and a half sacks this last year. Had at least six sacks in the last three seasons. Cap hit of 20 in 2026 of 2.8 million. He played 47% of defensive snaps. Also had the two interceptions this year too.

[A]

Is he a free agent?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm gonna miss AJ but he's definitely gone.

[C]

I agree. I think he, he's been what he was drafted in 2020.

[B]

He was their number pick in the second.

[A]

In the second round they traded the digs pick. That was the year.

[C]

Yeah. I think he's been fun to have in Buffalo. I think that he. You would have hoped you got a little bit more out of a second round pick. But I think he was someone that. For a rotational guy, he was fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I think that's. That's all you can really say. Like. And I think there was. Yeah, like you wanted. It was thought of that he was going to be a first rounder. Fell to the Bills in the second round like, oh, this is a steal. Whether he was undersized or they tried to have him cut weight or that was the COVID year when there was no real training camp and offseason workouts. Like he resigned a few years ago for this, you know, the two year deal or whatever. Like made sense to get him at a decent number. Like it's not like he was again, he's not the Josh Palmer that's. That's hurting the defensive line. He was the pro. He was trying to find something and it. You found a little bit, you just didn't find enough.

[B]

Do I see him on the Steelers Only because he played at Iowa in college. Yes.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

You just see the.

[C]

Yeah, you see. Yeah.

[B]

It really is right. But I could see him being like a Steelers.

[C]

I could see that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I like AJ Again. I like him. And I think you get to a certain point and then you move on from the player. He's going to get paid by somebody as you. You keep doing that. If they didn't shift the defense, maybe he's a guy you bring back on another one year deal. But I think because this will be a substantial change personnel in the scheme. So.

[A]

And that's another thing we talked about the fact that there can be a lot of change not by necessarily cutting guys, but just letting guys go, like.

[C]

Letting their contracts expire.

[A]

And moving on, getting new fresh blood into the locker room and into the defense. I don't. Is a bad thing.

[C]

All right. Michael Hoyt, he'll be 29 years old, only played in two games this season. Tore his Achilles 2026 cap, hit of $7 million. Was suspended the first six games of the season. But, Mike, in that small sample size, I feel like the Bills fan base, like, fell in love with him.

[B]

Why not? He was made plays, was all over the quarterback. And it was. And it is funny because we. There is going to be a scheme change. He's played different ways when he was with the Rams.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So he's had opportunities to do both. Suspended wild two games and then gets hurt. I think you see a player with his ability, physical ability, could probably play in either one of these schemes because we're going to hear this year he's going to be. Plays well, be like. See in this system, I'm like, in Two games under McDermott system, he played well coming off an Achilles, which is, you know, is not easy.

[C]

Not an oil change.

[A]

Not an oil change. He definitely not an oil change.

[B]

Does bring a lot of energy. He brought that on the field. And I do think they're probably excited about what he can be. That injury happened when that was in, like.

[A]

Is that the Bucks game?

[B]

Was it Bucks or.

[A]

So Carolina was his first game back and then it was the game after. I feel like it was the Bucks November 2nd.

[B]

November 2nd. Which at least makes it, you know, that's. At least.

[C]

Is that the Chiefs game? Yeah.

[A]

Oh, the Chiefs game.

[B]

At least it's another couple of months. Then you see some of these other injuries, you know, like Tyrell Shavers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So late when they get hurt. So I'm excited to see we get from Hoyt.

[A]

That's the thing. I feel like a lot of times a player gets signed and you see the one highlight or you see the one play and you're like, oh, this guy's going to be awesome. You're like, well, he's on his fourth team in five years. Like, there's a reason that he's bounced around. And sometimes I try and temper my expectations. And then to see what Hoyt did in those two games, it was like, this guy's an animal. Like, like you're hoping it was just a rolled ankle, like, oh, he'll be back. And it was like, you saw how devastated he was and kind of the team and the way that he stayed on the bench after, like, he didn't want to get carted off because he wanted to be with the team and all that he had gone through, you know, because like I said, he was the. They knew of his PED suspension when they signed him. He owned up, stood up there, said, I trusted my trainer more than I should have. All these things, I got to pay the consequences. Was training at local high school, and. And they said the school buses were coming in saying, go get him, Bosa. And he's like, I'm not Joey Bosa. But he had probably as much of an impact in those two games. Like, it felt like the defense had energy, aggressiveness. Like, he was kind of signed as that. Like that joker, like the jack of all trades kind of guy in the defense could be anywhere. And you saw it and you were like, this is it. This is what you signed. You got it. So I do have that excitement with him coming back. It is just, again, tempering expectations for a different reason. Because of the Achilles and that burst that, you know, we said, you saw how long it took Trey White to come back from that kind of stuff. So wondering where he'll be when he comes back.

[C]

Yeah, but it was fun to watch.

[A]

It was a lot of fun in.

[C]

Those couple of games.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Bill's got a dude, and he's awesome to talk to.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, he is. Can you tell your training camp story?

[B]

Oh, so I'm. I'm at camp, and I'm walking towards where the crowd is, and there's a person there, a younger woman, and she's like, mike, Mike. And I was like, okay. So I go over to say hi and hey. And then all of a sudden, it's Michael Hoyt. I think it was his. I don't know, his wife, maybe his girlfriend.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

And I was like, I'm just gonna leave. Well, I mean, it's like.

[C]

It's so good.

[A]

At least you didn't run to a jugs machine.

[B]

Like, you have to be a total idiot to just run into a jugs machine.

[C]

It's tough because she said your name, so you're like, oh, it's not like the Wave.

[B]

And a lot of times when it's somebody like that, it's somebody like my daughter went to high school with. Yeah, a lot of them are actually in the stands. Usually it's Catalana. That's what I hear. But no, I was like, mike, when.

[C]

You shared that, I laughed so hard.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay, Next guy. Landon Jackson, 23, second year of his rookie contract. Three games played. He didn't register a single stat. Torn mcl and pcl, his knee injury.

[B]

I am gonna say hopefully he's physically back in a, in a good, you know, like he's rehabbed and he'll be good. I think it could be a blessing for him to get hurt. Not to get hurt. That's why I'm saying about the injury. I don't think he was ready to play in the NFL. We've seen guys like this before. He came in, he didn't feel, seem confident. They didn't give him a jersey and they could have used somebody on the edge. He wasn't ready. And I didn't sense the confidence that you need in a player. Maybe having this injury, getting rehabbed and coming back later will be good for him. Because I was concerned about his fit before he got hurt. Then it was really tough to see him, you know, now he's got a rehab from that. Yeah, I'm a little concerned with his physical fit for what it appears Jim Leonard wants to do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So we'll see. But that's a third round draft pick.

[C]

72 overall that you've gotten.

[B]

You got nothing from last year, and now you got to see if he's got something this year.

[A]

You'd like to, you'd almost like to think that he could do some of the Michael Hoyt things with his size, in length.

[B]

He's got the length. I don't think he's fluid enough.

[C]

That's athletic enough.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Like I said, we saw it at times. Like, I'll, I'll admit, like, I liked what I saw at training camp. Like, I, I. There were times you seemed like a nice guy, but there were times. Is that my crutch word at times? No, mine's. At the end of the day, you got no.

[C]

All those things again. And all those things.

[A]

So again, all those things, I saw strength. I saw some flashes with speed. It just wasn't enough in the mixture of. It wasn't enough to become a starter or to even earn a jersey. Like that was. What was jarring was the fact that he wasn't able to. What?

[B]

Jarring is just a funny word.

[A]

It was shocking that he couldn't get a jersey on game days.

[C]

I don't remember him flashing at camp.

[B]

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. I did not think he was good.

[C]

I didn't think he was good at camping.

[B]

He kept waiting because you guys would ask us, we would get messages in the chat, be like, what about Landon Jackson? I'm like, I haven't seen him do anything.

[A]

I saw a couple Plays.

[C]

Yeah, I, I feel like I don't really remember having an impact in an impression of him making an impact during camp. I feel like Dion Walker was a guy that made a couple flashy pops. You're like, oh, okay, Dion Walker. But yeah, Landon Jackson. I, I hear like, Mike, the extra time to process now that he has been injured might be beneficial to him.

[B]

And that is, I'm just throwing that against the wall here because again, I don't think if this was this year with this defense, that's not a guy they're drafting.

[A]

No.

[B]

So it brings me back to Shaq Lawson, because Shaq got drafted by Rex because he went to Clemson.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Can't think of another reason.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Shaq. It was always, never really a fit for Rex's scheme. Yeah. Then the next year, Shaq was talking, he was all excited and he was like, this is something that fits me. And I go, well, you got drafted by this team in the first round. It didn't fit the scheme. And he was like, yeah, I guess that's kind of true. And I remember thinking that, like, yeah, it was an odd pick for that way. I don't necessarily think it was an odd pick for Sean McDermott's defense.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But I think it would be for this one. So here you go. Year two, coming off a knee injury, trying to see if he's got something, which would be great if he did, but because he's cheap.

[C]

Yeah, he is cheap.

[A]

I don't know if you just, like I said, Bean made the pick. I don't know if you just throw away a third round pick.

[B]

No, I think you have to give him, you got to give him the year.

[A]

Could he be the, could he be your AJ Epanessa this year? Could be like, could he be a road to, like, maybe that's what you're hope, like that's what you're hoping for. That's what I'm hoping right now is that he could, that's his ceiling is being, what if he just comes out.

[B]

This year and he's like a perfect fit for the defense? I mean, that would be kind of stunning because I don't think like that for him physically. But I guess, you know, he will.

[A]

Come back in the best shape of his life. We, we are not there yet. Yeah, we're, we're approaching, we're approaching. We're going to start hearing stories. Best shape of their life.

[C]

I need to be in the best shape of my life.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Going to Greece. Gotta get it together. But no.

[A]

Best shape of Your life was wedding season.

[C]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

So you'll never.

[C]

But can't you. Best shape of your life every year. Every year. Isn't that how that works?

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Best shape of your life. All right. Javon Solomon kind of mentioned him earlier. 25, played a lot of special team snaps. Not really a lot on defense. And I feel like Mike, they gave him an opportunity on for defensive snaps, but he just never really made an impression in that way.

[B]

So here's a guy that seems to be physically maybe more of what they're now looking for. Smaller, faster type player. It is a little alarming that he really didn't play much in the defense.

[C]

And I think they get. Did give him with hoy out. I think they gave him a shot.

[B]

Yeah. Maybe even a little bit in that role.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Seeing if he could do it. It's great when the guy plays special.

[C]

Teams, but like he played a lot of special teams.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I think he's. I think he's got that. He has to earn the spot this year.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The end of a deal. There's no. The money is so small for players.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

That it's at the end of their deals. Rookie deals.

[A]

And so fifth round pick out of Troy.

[C]

He was impressive in college.

[A]

Yeah. He led the country in sacks, I think.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Was it Troy?

[A]

Yeah, he went to Troy.

[C]

Okay. Knew it was a smaller school. Yes. Okay.

[A]

You didn't believe me.

[C]

I. I didn't. I looked it up. Oliver 29 at the end of the season. End of this upcoming season. 21 million dollar dead cap hit. So AKA not gonna happen. Restructured last year. Coming off that bicep slash. Knee injury. A lot of injury this season. What do you think?

[B]

I think they're hopeful that this scheme really works for Ed. He's. He fits more. If you look at the prototype of the size of players who play a little more on the outside than what they have been. Like where he has been. He's in with the big boys there in the middle.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because you always look at him as a smaller player. Which he is correct. Now you look at him kicking out. Different technique. I think the hope there is this. And I use the phrase unlocks, but unlocks Ed gets him freed up a little bit. It's a different role than an outside defensive end. Pass rusher.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I do think we have seen Ed be able to penetrate. And then now I know it's early for this. Like they'd have to be all in on it. But Ed could be one of those players that redoes his deal.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Because if they say, hey, Ed fits in this, he's going to be really good for us. You rework that deal, kick that down the road a little bit. I think Ed brings a lot to this team and I do think there is another level for him. And I guess you could almost argue that he's played out of position a little bit.

[A]

I think Ed Oliver will be successful in whatever system. I think he's that much of a talent and we saw his impact. I really do think that wherever you put Ed, he can be disruptive and have that penetrating effect. The hope was it would be right over the middle and to really kind of push the quarterback to get in his face. I have a name that I think works really well as a defensive tackle in this system. As a nose tackle from Tennessee. Trondre Sweat.

[C]

TV Sweat.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So he is Robert Salas coming in. Yeah, totally. Does not from everything I've read, does not fit the stereotypical like sweaties.

[B]

Huge, right?

[A]

Humongous.

[C]

He's enormous.

[A]

360, I think.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is like 6 foot. 360. He was one of the guys at the combine on those Texas teams. That was really impressive and we wanted to get to talk to the thought is, could he be. Him and Dion Walker rotate back and forth. It just doesn't seem like he's a scheme fit. Now again, Robert, Sal could say, hey, we're going to use this guy and. And make the player fit your scheme or does the scheme have to fit the player kind of. That kind of thing. But it's not a crazy deal that he has. I don't know what you'd have to get up to get him, but I've just seen that kick, you know that being kicked around a little bit of. He could be a guy that's on the move and he could be that for the 30% or the 25% of the snaps that the Bills could possibly play as a three down lineman. Front Trondre Sweat, I think is a guy that really piques my interest as that man eater kind of guy in the middle.

[B]

So you're already making free agents.

[A]

I'm already making moves.

[B]

Or a trade. That would be a trade.

[A]

Because again, if this is a time that you could revamp this, this defensive line.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do it now.

[B]

It is interesting when you, when you were talking before about who they have on the inside, when you think about Dion Walker, he is a large man.

[A]

But he does not play like he doesn't just eat up space like he sheds blocks to get into space.

[B]

I think of. I think of Dion Walker. Like you would look at a seven footer in basketball and say, you know, people be like, he's got to be in the post and down low and the guy can turn around, make threes, make plays, use his physical ability. Just because he's seven feet tall. He's not seven feet tall, but you know what I mean? And it's like he is not space eater guy. He. That was the most impressive thing. He. He got kicked around a lot too. I mean, he's a rookie, but he showed those flashes that you mentioned, Jenna. We saw a little bit of it in camp. Then all of a sudden when he got in the game, I'm like, okay, Dion, like you started to see that. That out of him. So yeah, I think that'll be. That'll be interesting to see in terms of how they decide to play him this year.

[C]

He was someone too, that I was like the back injury in college. He kind of fell in the draft and I'm like, okay. You see the intangibles and you look at him and he's. I mean, that picture of you next to him, it's like, holy crap. Yes, he's a baby face, but he's also a mountain.

[A]

And again, I always thought that he played very similar to Ed's game. That when Ed is not pushing people back in, it's like Ed is cutting inside of. Of linemen and making that impact. That's what he's doing. They're just completely opposite ends of the spectrum.

[B]

When you see them standing, like when they're doing defensive line drills and it's like they play the same, well, relatively same position because they have. Physically they're just so different. So.

[A]

Yeah, so July or February 11, when I called my shot for Trondre Sweat.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

He's taking. He's ready. He is ready.

[A]

Six, four, three, six, six, three, six, six.

[B]

Yeah. So it's the best shape of his life. 361.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

But like that's a big boy. That's like Sam Adams. Like, that's like Vince Wilfork. Like, that is the big somebody that can move.

[C]

Yeah, we kind of mentioned him earlier, but TJ Sanders, 23, played inside, then was kicked outside due to all the injuries. Also had a knee injury himself. He was a second round pick. I feel like we saw more flashes from Deion Walker, but TJ Sanders, I feel it must have been a tough rookie season because yes, you had the injury, but also you're being moved about in a way because of the lack of. Of other players and that's kind of affect your. Your maturation process.

[B]

My mind is for these young guys is wide open to whether they can adjust to what they want to do with this group. They haven't played a lot of snaps in the league and that it's going to end up probably being a plus for him moving around a little bit to play. I'm looking at it that way with a young player. I'm just saying let's see what he's got. And, and I'm sure Jim Leonard and his staff are going over all these guys, just trying to give them opportunities. And let's be honest, if you're one of those guys, and I know we're going to talk about Dwayne Carter too, if you're one of those guys that's here, it is wide open to get yourself playing time. It is wide open to show what you can do because this team needs changes on the. In the front seven, we'll say, and certainly in the front line.

[A]

When I look at.

[C]

And he's cheap, like we talked.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When I look at TJ Sanders, it just feels like a lost year.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, between the, between the having to shift positions, between the injuries, he. Here's a guy that really flashed, I thought at training camp, like he was the one that he flashed to me more than Deon Walker did at training camp. And then when in the regular season, it was Deon Walker who was making way more plays than. Than TJ Sanders. I know the injury and it just kind of happened early on and then he was just kind of gone for a while and you kind of forgot about him. So it almost feels like that lost year, forgotten year. I'm sure it was disappointing to him, but even when he was back, I don't know if they rushed him back because you said like they needed bodies and Maybe he wasn't 100%, but it just didn't seem like he had the impact that we saw that he could have had when we looked at training camp. Because that's like when I look at training camp, like the Bills have a really good offensive line. So like, if you're making plays at training camp against the first team offensive line when TJ Sanders was getting a lot of snaps and it was like, oh, he's just going to take Daquan Jones's job right from under him. And it just never happened. So that was kind of disappointing.

[C]

It's got to be so tough, though. Too. You're drafted to be like that inside guy and then you're being put on the outside and you're a new player. Like, it's. It's just so much going on.

[A]

But he may also have the flexibility because he's not Deion Walker size.

[C]

That's true.

[A]

But he's not at Oliver size, so he's that six four size. That's like 290. So he. He may benefit a lot, like Mike said, from unlocking something with his side. Seems like it could fit as an end, which is obviously why they threw him out there or inside as more of that at Oliver type. So there is some versatility, you think with TJ Sanders future.

[B]

Dan mentioned Daquan. I think Daquan's going to be gone.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah, I think he's going to be, what, 34 next year?

[C]

Maybe 35.

[B]

34.

[A]

Man whooping. Another man.

[B]

He is. And Daquan's been a good Buffalo Bill. He's been, you know, with Ed out, that made it tougher for him. Yeah, he was probably playing a little out of position at times. I just think at some point you drafted these younger players, you're changing this scheme.

[C]

He'll be 35 in December, so.

[B]

Yeah. And there's probably some. I don't know if there's dead cap.

[C]

He would have a 3.724, 2026 cap hit.

[A]

But you'd save. He was like the third highest cap hit this year.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

His cap hit this past season was 9.4 million.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So obviously that was considerable.

[C]

In 2025.

[B]

It would be. It would make sense for what they're attempting to do. And by the way, this is before they drafted a player. And like, you know, we don't have any idea where they're going to be. And to Dan's point, since they've already signed a free agent or made a trade. Right. You've already worked the deal out, Correct?

[A]

Yeah. Sweat's gonna have to get some snaps.

[B]

Yeah. So love that he's got the deal made.

[C]

Okay. Larry Oganjobi, suspended six games. Had that bad penalty in the Denver game.

[B]

Yeah, he had. Yeah.

[A]

Two of those where I feel like they caused a fumble and he was lined up off sides.

[B]

No, the other one was Rousseau.

[A]

Oh, you're right.

[B]

That was in the first play of the Atlanta game.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Oh, you're right. And that negated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The interception.

[B]

But in this case, look, it was a failed free agent signing. Started out with the suspension, rarely made a play. It's just one of those things, you took a swing on a one year guy.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

They honored the contract. Even though.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, two guys suspended, I. I mean, was bad. But even when he was there, he wasn't impactful in that way.

[C]

That was the most upsetting part, I think, is because they signed him, then it comes out, he's suspended and they're like. Or they. They're making the deal. Comes out he's going to be suspended. They decide to go through the contract, he's out the first six games. And you're like, all right, he's a veteran. We'll see. He hasn't played in six, like six weeks. He'll be fresh. We'll see what he can add. And then just to have him essentially have zero impact, I think, you know, or if. If anything, a negative impact in certain moments.

[A]

And you saw the impact that Hoyt had. Like, Hoyt had juice.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And it just felt like Ogun Joby just never had the juice. It felt like by that point they were searching for defensive line help and so many other guys had agreed in principle, the contracts. And it's like, yeah, we'll just. We'll. We'll hang on to this. Did not work out. And it just got made worse because he was the second player to be suspended for peds.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I also said. I also went on the record, too. I. I've traded somehow away also for Max Crosby.

[B]

Oh, you already made that deal, right?

[A]

Oh, I just wanted. When you had said that I had already made a trade, I didn't know which one you were talking about. So it's sweat and crossing and Crosby.

[B]

Yeah. Well, that changes the whole dynamic.

[A]

That's what I was thinking.

[B]

Wow. Dan's been busy.

[C]

Dang.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Look at you go. All right.

[A]

Working those phones.

[C]

Dwayne Carter, he'll be 26 at the end of next season. Coming off the Achilles injury, tough injury, which. That happened in August.

[A]

We saw him around the building a little bit towards the end of the year.

[B]

Also saw him in the Hallmark movie.

[C]

Saw him in the Hallmark movie.

[B]

He wasn't bad in the Hallmark movie. The movie.

[A]

I was.

[C]

Yeah, the movie was so bad.

[B]

Yeah, he's got a good personality and.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Just got to see if he can play. He came in, you guys know, in the trade, worthy led to Keon. They got the extra pick. He didn't really do much. Then he got hurt. So, yeah, I think they were talking about him being more of. More of a one technique. Putting on more weight.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

Being bigger. We'll see if that he can contribute at all in that role in this defense. You talk about if they don't get. If that deal doesn't go through, that Dan has already promised from the Titans.

[A]

Yeah, that one's going to go through that.

[B]

Then, you know, maybe Dwayne Carter picks up that role. But you know, when you get to that point now, it'd be year three.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

As a third round pick.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

When you have a guy in year two as a third round pick on defense and you're not sure about him coming off an injury either. So. Yeah.

[C]

Do we want to talk about Zion Log or. I mean, Jordan Phillips, I'm sure is gone. Like, I mean, he's. He's gone anyways, but I can't imagine they would bring him back.

[A]

Yeah. He was also one of the ones that was pretty upset about the SHA Fire.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I imagine that.

[B]

Yeah, he's team Sean and I. I mean, will he play somewhere? I don't know. Zion Logue. I mean, they, they obviously liked him enough to keep putting him out there.

[A]

Yeah. Prather Mathis. What about him?

[C]

Federus.

[A]

Fedarius Prather was the.

[C]

Kaden Prather.

[A]

Kaden Prather was the seventh round pick out of Maryland.

[B]

Floating around in your head, wasn't it?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Prather.

[A]

Federian.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Federian Mathis.

[A]

He had flash. He was like a mini. Jordan Phillips.

[C]

He kind of was.

[A]

He was like. He was like Jordan Phillips Jr.

[C]

He's 27.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He had more impact at times than Joey Bosa did.

[B]

Keep something in mind. There's gonna be a whole new set of guys like this.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Involved with the Denver Broncos.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, that's. That's about to be. Or New Carolina Panthers or Denver Broncos.

[B]

Or played at Wisconsin.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah, absolutely.

[B]

Right. I mean, there. That is a lot of times you bring in those guys to help out.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You're so right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Wow. Buffalo West.

[A]

Yeah. It's about to be a whole bunch of Denver Johnson.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Denver and. Yeah. Wisconsin. Wisconsin.

[B]

We're done on the line. Right? That's everybody.

[A]

That's everybody.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. Until dance. I did want to mention I just noticed this and you guys will probably see it. Dorian Strong posted on his Instagram story with a peace sign. He's going through that neck surgery. Hopefully everybody's rooting for the guy. You know, I don't. We don't know what this means. I know we're not talking secondary today, but. Yeah, you know, it's a guy who got hurt and just the way they talked about it last year was very worrisome for him as a person. He's had this procedure, he said surgery. So hopefully for Dorian Strong, it's all positive for him personally and positive for him football wise. See if he gets an opportunity.

[C]

Yeah. He's a young player.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't want to speak out of place.

[B]

You would never do that.

[A]

Yeah. About, like, injuries, like, I would never, you know, diminish.

[C]

Oh, okay. No, I would never call that right.

[A]

I feel like, oh, no. These next procedures have gotten better. Meaning Peyton Manning was another one where they thought, like, they're not gonna. Jack Eichel was another one who was getting some of these neck spinal surgery like a Hyde. A lot of these guys that before it was no possible way, but even I just think of Jack Eichel wanting to get his neck surgery and he's really, really good. So I just was thinking, fingers crossed that these procedures that they've been doing, hopefully there is a future for Dorian Strong because he was another guy. Here's a guy that flashed throughout camp and in his. You know, he started week one like, so you hope that he could be something.

[C]

Yeah. The next scares me, though.

[B]

Yeah, it absolutely does. And I think that's always for a physical concern.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Physical position. I did like what I saw of Dorian Strong.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like his size and just the way he seemed to play. But let's. Let's see where he is. And then that's for, again, Jim Leonard and company to make those decisions.

[C]

Yep. All right. Any last points before we wrap up?

[B]

No, I think there's a. The defense is going to be wild to see. And, you know, we're going to talk about the linebackers in the middle. We talk about the secondary and what they're expecting, and they got. They got a lot of. A lot of decisions to make on that side of the ball.

[C]

It's going to look very different. I feel like. Okay. All right, reminder, be sure to send in your life advice questions. Be sure to send those to. Hey, buffaloplus Gmail. We'd love to answer more of your questions. We got some more in as well, so we'll have that for next time. Also, if you want any Buffalo plus merchandise, be sure to check out the Buffalo plus store. BuffaloPlus store.com.

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We get a lot of questions about some of the newer stuff that we had still. It's not on the site yet, right?

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Not on the site.

[B]

We're working.

[A]

We're working on getting the starter stuff up and running.

[C]

You can get the starter stuff.

[A]

Some of the stuff, yes.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Not some of the stuff that you have seen us be wearing.

[C]

Correct. But there are starter sweatshirts, T shirts.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

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[A]

Good.

[C]

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[A]

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