Bills free agent play, replacing stars and Diggs drama

Summary

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Buffalo Plus Podcast: Bills Free Agent Play, Replacing Stars, and Diggs Drama

Date: March 11, 2023
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the Buffalo Bills’ critical free agency period, focusing on the futures of key defensive stars Tremaine Edmonds and Jordan Poyer, replacement strategies, and the team’s broader roster approach. The team provides behind-the-scenes insights, predictions for free agent moves, and discusses the rumors swirling around Stefon Diggs' social media activity. The tone is lively, candid, and occasionally playful, with the trio debating roster philosophy, the viability of splash signings, and navigating the changing dynamics of the AFC East.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Looming Free Agency & Star Departures

• Free agency is approaching (March 15), and the Bills did not place tags on Tremaine Edmonds or Jordan Poyer, making their future with the team uncertain.
• Poyer's Exit Is Expected:
  • “No big secret. Poyer’s gone and I think he signs quickly. I think he’s going to have a market and I think he signs and moves on.” — Mike (02:48)
• Edmonds: Uncertainty, but Not Final
  • Mike speculates Edmonds could hit free agency but might still return:
    “He may reach free agency, but I don’t think that guarantees that Tremaine Edmonds does not come back in a Bills uniform.” — Mike (03:36)
  • Dan expects Edmonds to leave, citing previous conversations where consensus was shifting.

2. Potential Replacements & Bridge Solutions

• Jenna proposes targeting veteran linebackers Bobby Wagner or Eric Kendricks as “bridges” for the role if Edmonds leaves:
  • “They would provide a bridge to whoever the next linebacker could be… doesn’t necessarily need to be an all-pro, but those are two guys that stand out to me.” — Jenna (04:08)
• Mike warns about the cost/benefit of high-priced veterans versus just paying to keep Edmonds:
  “If you start getting into bigger money for guys like that, then it’s less of a bridge and it’s more… we didn’t give Tremaine $12 million a year but gave Bobby Wagner two years at 24.” (07:17)

3. Defensive Philosophy Shift and the Need for Offensive Firepower

• Mike suggests the league is shifting to prioritize offense; only a few key defensive stops are truly necessary in big games:
  “To win big in the playoffs, sometimes you need two or three stops, which is crazy…but that’s kind of the way it’s gone.” — Mike (08:22)
• Focus should tilt toward arming Josh Allen with more weapons.

4. Case Study: Matt Milano Extension & Linebacker Value

• The panel draws parallels between Milano’s late extension and Edmonds’ situation while noting the context was different due to COVID’s cap impact.
  • Milano benefited from a reduced cap; Edmonds, being young and productive, will likely have more lucrative offers.

5. How Will the Bills Approach Free Agency?

• Mike expects a “no splash” period for Buffalo:
  • “I think the first 48 hours are going to be painful to Bill’s fans… underwhelming. Off. Lineman, role players, not household names.” — Mike (20:09)
• The Bills’ likely strategy: sign mid-tier free agents for depth rather than high-cost stars (20:44).
• Reiterates that last year Bean surprised with the Von Miller splash, but this feels different.

6. Running Back Talk—James Cook, Derrick Henry, B.J. Robinson

• The hosts debate whether Bills are truly all-in on James Cook or if adding another significant running back is likely, referencing prior pursuit of Christian McCaffrey.
  • Jenna: “If James Cook was ‘the guy,’ why’d they call about McCaffrey two months ago?” (22:25)
• Derrick Henry’s fit is questioned, with Jenna arguing his value comes with high usage Buffalo may not provide:
  • “Derrick Henry is great late in games…when he’s on his 26th, 27th, 28th touch. I no longer want Derrick Henry.” — Jenna (23:11)
• General consensus against using a first-rounder on a running back but open to B.J. Robinson due to his unique talent.

7. Rapid Fire: Bills In-House Free Agents

At (29:07), Mike reads through a list of current Bills free agents. Highlights include:

• Dane Jackson: Keep for corner depth (29:41)
• Cam Lewis: Mixed, but generally “No” (29:50)
• Jordan Phillips/Shaq Lawson: Split, with some expecting them to price out of Buffalo's plans (29:59)
• Jordan Poyer: Universally agreed to be gone (30:21)
• Devin Singletary: Mike is adamant he’s leaving (“He’s gone!” 27:38), others suggest if the price is right maybe returns.
• Jamison Crowder, Jake Kumerow: Likely gone or moves within division.

8. AFC East Shuffle and Quarterback Rumors

• Discussion shifts to big-picture AFC East dynamics (34:11):
  • Dolphins committed to Tua; Patriots potentially moving Mac Jones
  • “Would be more worried if the Jets got Lamar [Jackson], as opposed to Aaron Rodgers.” — Mike (34:47)
  • Hosts predict Rodgers ultimately lands with Jets, but acknowledge the ripple effect for all AFC East teams.

9. Draft Strategy and Trading Picks

• Jenna voices openness to trading the first-round pick for an immediate impact player, especially at receiver (36:19).
• Mike reminds that trading a first for Diggs was their “splash,” but getting a WR on a rookie deal could be desirable (37:02).

10. Stefon Diggs Drama: Real or Just Social Media?

• The hosts address the “Diggs drama” (37:44) over his cryptic social media and unfollowing team accounts.
  • Dan: “I feel like it drums up a lot of attention for his brand.”
  • Jenna recalls Diggs previously trolling reporters about reading into his posts.
• All confidently assert Diggs isn’t going anywhere:
  • “He’s not going anywhere. I just wish… enough of it. He’s not.” — Mike (39:47)
  • Mike clarifies dead cap is only “real” when trying to trade major stars after mega-extensions (40:08).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the uncertainty of key Bills leaving:
  “This is a different one…Tremaine Edmonds, we make the jokes about his age, but he’s going into his second contract. That’s not normally the guys you let walk.” — Mike (10:44)

• Jenna challenging the “fear” of losing Edmonds:
  “I think we’re romanticizing a little bit of Tremaine Edmonds…he hasn’t had that big, big game. He’s good, but is he great?” — Jenna (13:07, 17:25)

• On Bean’s possible free agent approach:
  “He told us last year; no splashes. Then he came up with a billion dollars for Von Miller. But I do think it's a no-splashes year in free agency.” — Mike (21:19)

• On Diggs drama:
  “He’s not going anywhere. Salary cap’s not real when you’re signing somebody. Once you try to trade them and take a $40 million dead cap hit? Now it’s real.” — Mike (39:47, 40:08)

• Playful banter about scones versus muffins (41:32 onwards):

  • Dan on Mike’s scone: “Incredible. Elite.”
  • Jenna: “That’s what I got the one time before we… Jenna gets scones, I got an apple.”
  • Lighthearted discussion about preferences, quality, and Mike touting his family scone recipe.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | | ------- | --------- | | Free Agency Crunch Time & No Tags | 02:43 | | Edmonds and Poyer Departures | 02:48–04:10 | | Potential MLB Replacements | 04:08–07:01 | | Milano Contract Parallel | 05:22–07:01 | | Defensive Shifts & Offensive Prioirty | 08:22–09:20 | | Edmonds' Value, Age, and Impact | 10:44–13:07 | | Bean's Free Agency Strategy | 20:44–21:19 | | RB Room & Derrick Henry Debate | 22:16–23:28 | | Bills’ Own Free Agents (Rapid Fire) | 29:07–33:17 | | AFC East QB Carousel | 34:11–36:19 | | Draft/Trade Philosophy | 36:19–37:20 | | Diggs Social Media Drama | 37:44–40:08 | | Scone vs Muffin Banter | 41:17–42:33 |

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Final Thoughts

This episode provides a comprehensive, realistic look at the 2023 Buffalo Bills’ roster construction process, with thoughtful analysis of free agent risk, opportunities for improvement, and the ecological pressures of the modern AFC East. The hosts strike a balance between insider knowledge and fan-centric discussion, peppered with humor and honest takes. For listeners invested in Buffalo’s direction—or the NFL free agency period in general—this episode is invaluable for its granular detail, tempered optimism, and clear-eyed assessment of the business of football.

Transcript

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[Dan Fates]

All right. Welcome back to the Buffalo plus podcast, presented by Connors and Ferris. Mike Catalana. Dan Fates. I'm Jenna Cottrell. Please, before we get started, check out our hoodies and sport coats. Dan's not even doing it right now, which I feel like kind of.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That was the whole bit that you guys did. It was the whole bit before we got on there. They're like, hang on, I gotta go get something. And they both left the frame and then came in the screen at the same time. It was adorable.

[Dan Fates]

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[Jenna Cottrell]

You guys are hilarious.

[Dan Fates]

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[Mike Catalana]

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[Mike Catalana]

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[Jenna Cottrell]

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[Dan Fates]

Mike came to me today. He's like, you know what we should do? Like, what got him? Before we get started, please be sure to, like, comment and most importantly, subscribe if you enjoy our stuff. Let's talk about it, guys. Free agency is shortly approaching again. It's so many layers, Dan. I don't know how you do it. Free agency approaching. The Bills not use any tags on Tremaine Edmonds. Jordan Poyer. What we expect from him. The Bills Bill's plan of attack now going forward as well. We could talk about that, Michael. I Always start with you.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

So let's keep it going. What do you expect from this team as we move closer to March 15th?

[Mike Catalana]

All right, no big secret. Poyer's gone and I think he signs quickly. I think there's teams out there that are very interested, interested in him. I think he's going to have a market and I think he signs and moves on. As far as Tremaine Edmonds is concerned, I don't know why I, I will say this. I thought as it gets closer and I guess it still could happen that they could sign Edmunds to a deal if they have a plan. I think he reaches free agency, but I just have this feeling because of the affinity they have for him, how much they wanted him to be there and how much it's felt like he's wanted to stay. There's no guarantee that if that guy hits free agency, he couldn't come back. Yes, I know there's going to be teams out there looking to spend money, but I don't know if that money is spent quickly on a linebacker. There are some other positions. You see teams letting guys go now. So I'm going to hold on to this. He may reach free agency, but I don't think that guarantees that Tremaine Edmonds does not come back in a bill's uniform. Go ahead, Dan.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Well, I liked it. We recorded something for the newscast and you said something on there that, that I really liked and that was. Dan was right.

[Dan Fates]

I think he said Dan was right.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He goes, I think Tremaine Edmonds is leaning closer to not coming back. Which is something I've been saying for, which is not.

[Dan Fates]

Dan is right here.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But I agree with Mike that especially some of these guys that have become free agents now that can sign now, I think the Bills should jump on and two guys that, that pop out to me are middle linebackers are Bobby Wagner or Eric Kendricks. Now, I know they're both big name guys and I know they both will be not cheap. Yeah, that's fine. The salary cap isn't real. But what I think they would provide is, is a bridge to whoever the next linebacker could be and can learn from that. So while it's like, well, you know, you always have to have an experiment or some project, you know, like say, I don't know if, you know, Terrell Bernard becomes a project and eventually starts at middle linebacker. Like there's got to be somebody else in there in between because there's. This isn't a full on re blowing up the defense and starting Over. You still have a really good defense with young pieces in place, too. So I kind of want to bring in a veteran. Doesn't necessarily need to be an all pro middle linebacker, but those are just two guys that stand out to me to really improve the whole that. I think Tremaine will leave.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Okay, real quick, before you jump in, Mike, I was thinking about this in terms of, like, the situation with Matt Milano and how we talked about when Milano was becoming a free agent and Dan is just shaking his head, so I'm going to continue talking. But we talked about how, you know, you usually traditionally only one linebacker, and we. We talked about how. Wow, like, when the Bills made his extension, we said that kind of is an interesting thing to do at this point in the season. Now I was looking at it because I felt like we kind of were. Were thinking this way about Milano, that he signed late. And I'm curious when he did sign because I feel like it was right around, like, this time, right now, like we were approaching free agency and. Yeah, it says March 11th.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Which is surprising considering. But I also think it hasn't been done, this deal with Tremaine Edmonds. But I feel like the Bills. It's just really, the Bills have made him their guy in terms of, like, the media. He is the quarterback of the defense, all this stuff. I think they didn't tag him, obviously, which is not surprising considering the money it would take him being lumped with, you know, pass rushers as well in terms of the linebacking core. But I just. I don't know if it's a done deal that he is not back with the team, because I think there's just so much that the Bills have done to kind of propel him up and make him be a staple of this team. Now, that doesn't mean that Tremaine Edmonds doesn't want to test free agency himself. But I just. I do think there is some more. I don't want to say Hope, but I don't think the door is shut yet.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, I don't want to. Yeah. I was going to say Jenna's point is that he seemed like one of their core guys.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

The whole time he's been there.

[Dan Fates]

But they've made him that, like, they've. They've put him in front of the media. They've had him do all those things which he didn't need to do.

[Mike Catalana]

Hey, draft, develop and resign has been their way. And he was really Bean's second pick, his first defensive pick in 2018. With the draft. And I guess he's. He's done a lot of things. Dan, to your point, about guys like, and I agree with you, I would love to see a guy like Bobby Wagner, you know, to come in here, but if you start getting into bigger money for guys like that, then it's less of a bridge and it's more of, well, we didn't give Tremaine, you know, four years with basically three years guaranteed at 12 million a year. We gave Bobby Wagner, you know, two years at 24 million, like, guaranteed. Like, if you're going to do that, it might make more sense to resign Tremaine in that case, because if you're going to go cheaper at that linebacker position, there's also going to be a series of guys that don't have as big names, but can absolutely play that position and would be more of a bridge guy. So while it would be nice to think of an All Pro, I'm not going to say hall of Famer, but Bobby Wagner is pretty darn good.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Coming in. It could be. It could be somebody that you go, oh, this guy's been a nice player in the league. Let's bring him in here. And here's the other thing, philosophically, I think, around the league, while defense is, you know, it doesn't win championships, okay? Two stops wins championships in defense. That's what you need in games. I mean, it's almost comical. You know, I'm watching the Eagles defense going to be somewhat dismantled in free agency. I think that's what's going to happen. And there's a lot of talk there of saying, keep building up the offense, because to win big in the playoffs, sometimes you need two or three stops, which is crazy to think, but that's kind of the way it's gone. So in that case, you know, maybe you just keep sort of. You start retooling on defense. You have a few guys, you think you can make those plays, and you go out and do what you should have been doing in the first place, which is start retooling this offense and get more weapons for Josh Allen.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But Bobby Wagner, to me, could be one of those guys that wants a chance for two years to be in a Super bowl contending team, because that's obviously why he went to the Rams. Things went terribly wrong there in la, and then it was like a mutual agreement, like, yeah, guys, we're good, right? Like, I can leave, right? We're all. We're all moving on. So I think that there could be a little Bit of how many super bowl contending teams are legitimate and have a hole at middle linebacker where I can come in and be a factor. I think that that could be part of it. To Jenna's point about Milano and when he signed and those things, Covid. The Bills got lucky because of COVID in that sense, that the salary cap went down and there wasn't big money for linebackers that offseason. Because we went into that going, man, Milano's just. He's playing too well. And then all of a sudden we saw that, like the money that was supposed to be for offensive linemen like Daryl Johnson. That was the year the Bills got Darrell Williams and he was. They got him so cheap and all these things. So I. I think Milano is a little bit of a different situation. I know what you're saying about the fact of it doesn't. There still is a thought, because we all thought Milano would get big money and then it wasn't there. I think that in Tremaine. Still young, still young, there will be bigger money out there and.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, and. And real quick on that, Jenna, I've been saying to you guys all along, I thought, you know, we've heard Poyer with the Dolphins, maybe the Giants, Honestly, I could see Tremaine Edmonds with the Giants. They are in desperate need of linebacker help. They have some money to spend now that they've figured out how they're going to handle, you know, the quarterback and Barkley on his thing, you know, and Joe Shane certainly is very well aware of. Of Edmonds, so that can be the case. But sure. This is a different one, though. You know, that's why I keep going back to this. And I. I know I'm stuck on it. But Tremaine Edmonds, we make the jokes about his age, but he's going into his second contract, right. That's not normally the guys you let walk. It's when the guys get to a certain age and they're ready to go. Right. It's especially a guy who has played well for you. It's not like he hasn't been. So in terms of like Poyer, Poyer's played great football, did everything you want. If he wasn't 32, he'd be coming back, I think.

[Dan Fates]

I agree.

[Mike Catalana]

That's the difference. That is the difference in this is where you're potentially letting go of a player that has done not everything, certainly, because you want to see some more impact, but has done certainly a lot and played almost every game for you. And that would be different that would be a different kind of thing.

[Dan Fates]

Well, I have a question, too. Like, if you're Sean McDermott and essentially it's expected, you know, I believe that he's going to be kind of taking over the defense in terms of play calling and stuff like that. Like, wouldn't you want to know? Wouldn't you?

[Mike Catalana]

I think he already knows, right? He's gotta already know, right?

[Dan Fates]

No, but I'm saying, wouldn't you want to know? That piece is locked in.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Like, that is a big piece of the puzzle. And wouldn't you want to know, like, what is it? The saying is, like, it's the devil you do, not even the devil you do know versus the one you don't. But, like, you're right.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

There is a tremendous amount of upside for him. I don't know. It's just interesting.

[Mike Catalana]

Well, it's also that level of stability, because things have changed a lot. I don't know.

[Dan Fates]

But maybe Tremaine also wants to test free.

[Mike Catalana]

Dan is just waiting for the Adam Schefter tweet that Tremaine, cup of coffee and then we get him.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, I'm gonna call up Dean and be like, look, between you and me, like, we gotta get this done. I can't have Dan do another lap.

[Mike Catalana]

And this.

[Jenna Cottrell]

This is maybe, like, Jen always is. Like, these are all these hot takes. Like, I don't know where Dan gets all these hot takes. I think we're romanticizing a little bit of Tremaine Edmonds. Like, it wasn't that long ago that we were looking at this guy going, man, he's got a.

[Mike Catalana]

You know.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, he's. He's played well, but he's, you know, hasn't played well enough. And now all of a sudden, we're like, you can't let him go. It's like, I think they'd be okay.

[Dan Fates]

Well, I think that.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I think that's how the Bills look at it.

[Dan Fates]

Well, I think that's because you see the. Like, we thought this team was, like, a couple pieces away in terms of, like, defensively. That was always their bread and butter. But, like, you kind of see, like, it looks like the Bills will not have that stability with Jordan Poyer being back and Micah High. There's going to be younger players in the secondary. What is their pass rush going to look like? You kind of want a guy that you know what to expect. He is also coming off his best year as a pro as well. Like, and again, he is, like, I know we joke, but he's young 25. Gotten better. Yeah. So I just, I think when the Bills drafted him, they expected him to be the cornerstone of their defense.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

And everything has not gone according to plan, but at the same point it would. I'm not. I wouldn't be surprised if he signed somewhere else, but I also would be a little bit like. Okay, like that means. That's another thing Brandon Bean has to do though. And he's already got a pretty long list of stuff that of, of upgrades essentially that he needs to make on this roster.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, I, I, like I said, I think Tremaine's a good player. I think some team will pay him to be a great player. And I think that's a, that that's a tough. And I guess it's just because I'm not looking and that this is to Mike's point about, about Gabe Davis. It's a similar point to this. It is very tough to evaluate young players when development and success is not linear. That and, and how do you judge. How do you put into perspective the whole picture and not Gabe Davis's one playoff game in Kansas City and trade Edmonds three seasons that were h. What.

[Mike Catalana]

Mike, first of all, timeout. Tremaine Edmonds is the definition of linear improvement. That's he is. He's gotten better each year. It's just a matter of we wanted to see more than incremental increases in what he did for them. He's maybe not going to that top. He's not had the four touchdown, 200 yard game that Gabe Davis did. But I think Tremaine Edmonds has been that guy may. And maybe it's not enough. And maybe they deep down say to themselves he's a good player. But I, I'll give you a good example. Devin Singletary. I was looking at Singletary's numbers. He's made $6 million with the bills. His expected average season value in his new contract would be 5 million a year. Now, I know that's small numbers, you know, based on other players in the NFL, but I'm thinking to myself, you know, you've had four years of them, total of $6 million. He's a good player at that number. And then you go to 5 million a year is what's expected. He's going to get paid. So to dance. You know, sometimes teams will pay that because they've seen this guy produce and they want to give it to him. And I wonder what the Bills really think. I mean that's what I guess what we'll find out. I wonder if they say to themselves, we're going to lose a lot of other stuff in another year, we're going to lose Hyde, and we need that guy in the middle and we're going to pay him because we are really going to make him the cornerstone. I don't know. I don't know.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And Mike, to your point, I guess I just also go back to the point of sometimes where you said, you know, Tremaine hasn't had that big. That big game. But I would also look at it and say Tremaine hasn't had very few plays, if any of those. And I go, I remember us sitting here going into last offseason going, what is Tremaine Edmond's big play? And we were like, oh, it was that one safety against Cleveland. Like, we haven't. He hasn't had. And they go, that was the big thing was this splash plays. So I guess that's where I'm looking at it. I'm not sitting here saying, train Evans isn't a good player. I'm not. Not saying that. But like, all of a sudden, like, the thought of losing him, you're like, oh, he was so great. And it's like, yeah, he was.

[Mike Catalana]

He.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He's good. He's. But he's gonna get. Is. Is he great?

[Mike Catalana]

And this go. But this goes back to not being prepared for him to leave.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That's. That's also.

[Mike Catalana]

And that goes on. That goes on. The draft pick. Now, again, you know, they. They could go the route of a, you know, TJ Edwards one year. Yeah. You know, kind of two year deal, whatever. And then you draft a guy and you hope that he moves in or you hope Bernard moves into it in a year. But when you're letting these guys go, you got. And they've known it. Right. And I guess that you would think that that draft pick was for that purpose, so that might play into it, too. Well.

[Dan Fates]

I mean, there. There's just. No, it's just. I mean, there. There is so much that, like, we. We talk about, like, linear progression, all this stuff. Like, you think of the Bills and where they're at now. Like, I mean, the team, it feels like they took a little bit of a step back. Remember last season, we're like, they're just a couple pieces away. And now it's like, again, the super bowl will always be open when you have Josh Allen, but it leads a lot to what to think about in terms of what direction they go. And Dan, like, free agency starts March 15th. We're a week out what do you expect them to do in terms of targeting free agents?

[Jenna Cottrell]

I. I still think that Josh Allen is a great recruiter and having 17 is. Is a guy. You know, it's funny just going to the combine, Mike and I just getting back, and the fact of, I mean, you're not. You're not going to find a single player on offense that isn't going to light up with the. The possibility of playing with Josh Allen. I mean, that's. That is a really good recruiting tool to have. So you need to add pieces around them. And while Mike, like you said, like, you have to have young talent that you're developing and getting ready to fill roles, I understand the super bowl window will be open as long as Josh Allen's there, but, man, I would get some players now that could make a direct impact and not need. Not need a learning curve and not. We'll give him time and he'll get there. And like I said, I know they're linked to, you know, there's thought there's a lot of people. It's what I'm hearing. It's what we're hearing. It's what national, you know, analysts are saying about B John Robinson and just adding more skill players around him. Like, I guess I go back to this, too. If you don't think that these guys are going to be aggressive and Bean's going to be aggressive in free agency. He called the panthers about Christian McCaffrey. So, like, he's. He was looking to add players at the end of last season. I think he's going to be even more aggressive in adding more players to the offense this offseason.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, I think that's a good point. I mean, he called about Christian McCaffrey because he's Christian McCaffrey.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Right.

[Mike Catalana]

It's not like he just needed a back. So that's where a guy like Bijan Robinson comes out. Because the thought is he's that guy. I'm going to say this, Jenna. I think when free agency starts, I think the first 48 hours are going to be painful to Bill's fans. I think there's going to be not crickets, but not a lot of noise. And then you're going to see Bill's news and it's going to be underwhelming. It's going to be an offensive lineman, you know, who was, you know, a draft pick of the Bears in 2019, you know, one of those kind of guys.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

And he plays guard and center and, you know, and all that kind of stuff. And Then you're going to be like, really? And then you're going to see Miami sign somebody. The jets, the Patriots, whoever it is. Right. The Chiefs. How are the Chiefs doing it? This is what is going to happen. And then day two, I said 48 hours, because we know it's the legal tampering time, but. And then he'll make some moves. I think it'll be those kind of things. I. I say, he told us last year no splashes, and then he came up with a billion dollars for Von Miller. I do think it's a no splashes year in free agency.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, I wasn't expecting you to say that. So you think. Wait, so you think that there's not going to be much move? Like, not much.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, they'll make moves. They're going to make moves, but it's not. It's going to be flashy guys. People are going to be googling the guys they sign.

[Dan Fates]

Okay, that's. No, that's fair.

[Mike Catalana]

Right? You're going to be like, wait a minute, which guy is that? Oh, well, let's. We found some highlights of him. He, you know, was injured. I. I just see him signing those type of free agents. I see him going to. I don't see. And I know people want to hear that they're going after DeAndre Hopkins, you know, that they're going to make a deal for. I just don't see that happening. I really don't. And part of this, it's frustrating, but I think maybe they. They're going to need some quantity to go with the quality because they got a lot of their own free agents, too. So that's interesting. That's kind of the way I see Bean handling free agency this year.

[Dan Fates]

Now, Vaughn Miller posted a picture with Derrick Henry. Like, that's not. There's no. I don't. I would be shocked. Or Dan, you. I feel like you.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Well, it's like, I go back to it. It's like everybody's like, well, James Cook is going to be the guy. And it's like, well, if James Cook was the guy, two months ago, he was. He was calling about Christian McCaffrey. Like, well, no, I. So, so, so, so the thought of, like, well, no way they would be in on him. It's like, why wouldn't they be in there?

[Dan Fates]

I feel like Derrick Henry wouldn't fit the system because you have Josh Allen. Like, Derrick Henry needs a lot of touches. I don't think it's a mistake to take, you know, a running back. That's a Very good point, Jenna, at player number 27. Because that's, you know, near the top of the second round, all that stuff. And you've been actively trying to get a playmaker now at that position for multiple drafts, but I know some people are very anti taking a running back in the first round as well.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Jenna, that's a phenomenal point because I'm sitting there going, please, what do you mean? It's Derek Henry. It's a phenomenal point for you to say. You're right. Derrick Henry is great. Late in games when defenses are worn down and tired, and he's on his 26, 27, 28th touch. Phenomenal point. I no longer want Derrick Henry.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Cottrell has convinced me that I don't want Derrick Henry.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay, well, he's a different kind of player. Jen is right. I mean, he. He gets better as the game goes on. His 18th carry is better than his eighth, but he needs that, and that's the way he's been. And I don't think you're taking that much out of Josh Allen's game. He needs help in the running game. And look, could they make it work? Sure. He's Derrick Henry. He's still a great player, but I think he'll find another home.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Mike, to your point, too, I feel like the Bills have already made one of those signings where you go, huh? All right. Last week, I think it was. They resigned, like, Butker, which I loved it. No, I really think. But again, it's nothing that anybody's going to be tweeting about being like, oh, hell yeah, we got Ike back.

[Mike Catalana]

But Jersey.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. Like, he's still. I think he's gonna have a chance to. To start. And he was playing really well at the end of 2021. He tore his Achilles in around Christmas in Foxborough.

[Mike Catalana]

Yep.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And I just remember, like, a picture of, like, you know, how much Josh and those. Him and Josh got along so well. And. And other things, too. When players make comments or tweets and things like that, like, they don't always have to. So when I see guys like Mitch Morrison, Spencer Brown going out of their way, they can be, like, great to have Ike back. But it's another thing when they're, like, so jacked up. One of the best guys in the room, like, yeah, they don't. That doesn't seem fake to me. That seems genuine of we really like the guy. So I think he's had a chance to start a guard. I. Mike, I know what you're gonna say. Don't Give me that Jared Stidham. Don't give me the Jared.

[Mike Catalana]

No, no, no. That's not what I was gonna say, because Jared Stidham, they actually said he could play, and he had a chance to help the Bills at the end of the year. And, you know, you saw what happened. But here's no great guy. He is a great guy. There's a lot of great guys on the team. Tommy Sweeney is one of the most like guys on the team.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Great guy.

[Mike Catalana]

Great guy. But you got to be able to play. I think Ike Buck.

[Dan Fates]

I think that's different, though.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I think Ike Bucker can play. Absolutely.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, I agree.

[Mike Catalana]

Plus, you know, on the defensive side, when they're bringing guys in, they're going to have a nastiness. To them, Sean McDermott means little nastiness.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Nasty edge.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, nasty.

[Dan Fates]

Dan, how would you. How was it described to you.

[Mike Catalana]

Though?

[Dan Fates]

That's not.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That clip is gone forever. It's. It's the.

[Dan Fates]

Explain that, because people are gonna be like, what?

[Jenna Cottrell]

One of the greatest clips that. That is.

[Mike Catalana]

Hold on.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It's there.

[Mike Catalana]

It's there. Mike Giardi, Buffalo plus reoccurring honorary member, reoccurring guest. And he was at the news conference for. Who was it for? Oh, it was for Ron Rivera. And Ron Rivera said, he's a Sean Bow. Sean is a play caller. He's aggressive. Dan heard aggressive. It's one of those words you can make into other words. He heard psycho.

[Jenna Cottrell]

So. So we're doing behind the scenes, we're filming these standups to send back to the newscast. And Mike goes, oh, I'm going to set you up for Ron Rivera's bite. I never heard the bite. I haven't heard anything about it. I just heard that he's aggressive. So Mike sends me up with the toss. He goes, and Dan, what did Ron Rivera have to say about Sean McDermott's defensive style? And I just went, he's a psycho. Mike just looks at me and goes, no, he didn't. That is not what he said. And we just stopped laugh. We just took. I was like, well, I didn't hear the sound bite, by the way. I didn't hear what it was said.

[Mike Catalana]

Wouldn't have been awesome if that's what Ron Rivera actually said. So we would have had psychos as the offensive and defensive play callers.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And I. We can't find the clip. I have no idea where that clip.

[Mike Catalana]

Is, but I'm gonna find it. I think I have it somewhere.

[Dan Fates]

I feel like you weren't even recording. I Feel like you guys go out of it.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Fates]

I don't know. Do you think what they do with Devin Singletary could be indicative of their draft. Future draft plans?

[Mike Catalana]

Devin Singletary's gone.

[Dan Fates]

But here's my thing. Like, if the price is right, I mean, there's gone. Okay.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Edmonds. He's gone. He's just like.

[Mike Catalana]

He's not a foundational guy again.

[Dan Fates]

You're so annoying.

[Mike Catalana]

He's gone. I think he's gone. I think he'll. He'll find another home in the league because he's a good football player, but he's gone.

[Dan Fates]

I. I don't know. I feel like if you can get good value for him. What's. I don't. You talk. I don't know.

[Jenna Cottrell]

This is just where I love Jenna. Where she likes the players that have just been around and she feels sad for them that they have to go somewhere else.

[Dan Fates]

No, I just. I feel like, look, if Devin Singletary is gonna get paid $5,000 or 5 million. 5,000. Yeah. $5 million a year. No, but if you can get them.

[Mike Catalana]

Back, if Devin Singletary leaves, can I get a coffee from you, too?

[Dan Fates]

No, I'm not willing to take that bet.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Jenna. That was. It's funny now looking back at it, but it was last year when you were like, well, they gotta resign Jerry. Like, I really thought.

[Dan Fates]

Honestly, I wanted them after. I wanted them to. Him to come back after the season.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. Like I said. But we're sitting there.

[Dan Fates]

They needed him, though.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Correct.

[Dan Fates]

Did they not need Jerry Hughes last season?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Correct. But at the time, we're like, he had, like, three sacks. He was old, he was injured, all these things. And Jenna's like. But he's always been here like, he's Jerry Hughes.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay.

[Jenna Cottrell]

All of a sudden he goes. It has, what, 10 sacks with Houston?

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

All right, I'm going to go. I just want. No need to discuss. I'm going to go down their list of free agents.

[Dan Fates]

Okay. Should we just do a thumbs down? Up. Thumbs down.

[Mike Catalana]

Just. Well, we can say it, too, because this is also going to be played in the audio podcast. I'm going to start at the top. Here we go. Not at the top. This is based on positions here. So Dane Jackson back. Jenna.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, Jenna's mic. Jenna, your mic is cut out. You're muted.

[Dan Fates]

There we go. Yes. I think you always need depth at corner.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay. Cam Lewis.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Back. Yes. Yes.

[Dan Fates]

I say no.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. Jordan Phillips.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes. No, I take it back. No, no.

[Dan Fates]

I say maybe. Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

All right.

[Dan Fates]

He didn't have a Good statistical year last year. But he's played for the Bills before.

[Mike Catalana]

Maybe. I say yes on Dane, no on Cam, no on Jordan Phillips. Shaq Lawson.

[Dan Fates]

I think he'll probably get too much money.

[Mike Catalana]

I'm with you. I think he's going to get paid again.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, I do too.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

Dan's got him back. Jordan Poyer. I think we're all in agreement. No, he's getting paid. Roger Seinfeld.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, I hope not. No, I. I just hope not.

[Mike Catalana]

I don't know about. Greg Van Rotten wrote and he's. He had signed a one year deal. I, I say no.

[Dan Fates]

Sure.

[Mike Catalana]

Bobby Hart.

[Dan Fates]

I think they bring him back.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, they bring back Bobby Hart.

[Mike Catalana]

I say no because I think they're going to have a two tight end set way more often instead of the extra offensive lineman.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Gross.

[Mike Catalana]

I think they'll be great with the two tight end set.

[Dan Fates]

Why do you hate that so much, Dan?

[Mike Catalana]

No, here's what I'm saying to you, Dan. It's going to replace the extra offensive lineman which has been a mess. I think they're going to get a beast as a blocker and I think they need that at times. This is what.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Beast of a blocker. That's a. If they want a tight end that's a beast of a blocker. Just have an offensive lineman who's a blocker.

[Mike Catalana]

Now. It changes defenses. When you have. When you have another tight end on the field. Tyler Matakevich, they'll sign him because. Because they love teams love.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, yeah, they do. They do. Isaiah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I'm skipping Tremaine.

[Dan Fates]

Tyrell Dodson, I could see him being.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, well he actually could in a pinch play linebacker and especially if Tremaine is gone.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

A.J. klein. No, but they'll sign him back mid season.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Agreed.

[Dan Fates]

As history tells.

[Mike Catalana]

Sam Martin.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Sure, sure.

[Dan Fates]

I was gonna say. I don't, I don't, I don't.

[Mike Catalana]

I'm not like immediately known they're not drafting this year. Case Kingdom's an interesting one. He will have limited to very limited market.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Around the league there's still a few spots and maybe Kansas City because they just got rid of what's. They just retired. So they'll want another guy that's been around. I think he's in that same kind of club. I think it's got to be at a similar kind of money.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

You know, I say no.

[Dan Fates]

Who? Who? The Bills.

[Mike Catalana]

Well, I tell you what. Yeah, it could be now. I think Sam Darnold's still being priced a little too high. Even with what's happened, I could see Keenum being back. Yeah. Taiwan Jones. Yeah, they love him. David Questenberry?

[Dan Fates]

I don't think so.

[Mike Catalana]

Nope. Nope.

[Dan Fates]

Dan.

[Mike Catalana]

Josh Allen's elbow right there. Jenna.

[Dan Fates]

What?

[Mike Catalana]

Jaquan Johnson? No, No, I don't think so. Dean Marlowe again. He'll come back in November.

[Jenna Cottrell]

They'll trade for him again.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Justin Murray. Maybe. I don't know. I don't.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I don't know.

[Mike Catalana]

He was a guy they signed late. Tommy Sweeney. Nope.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, I think the road is run out. You do?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Nope. Tommy Sweeney's not bad.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Practice squad. Oh, he's.

[Mike Catalana]

He's absolutely Jameson Crowder.

[Dan Fates]

See, that's interesting because I feel like we really didn't see.

[Mike Catalana]

He's gonna be a camp.

[Dan Fates]

I think he will too. And he should know the offense considering time on.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, I'd like him back. I liked what he showed.

[Mike Catalana]

And last one, future New York Jet Jake Kumaro.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, I could definitely see that.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

He's going with the Jets.

[Dan Fates]

The jets or the Giants?

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, no, the Jets.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, because of. Yes, because of. Touchdown. Jesus.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes. Yes.

[Dan Fates]

We should talk about the division vision is going to be. It used to be boring. Ish.

[Mike Catalana]

It is interesting. The Dolphins, basically, at least according the reports are saying they're all in onto it, which I kind of get. Like, you've got him there. You're going to see what he. You know, if he's coming back, they're going to do that. No flirting with Brady and all that kind of stuff. I've heard some wild rumors. Mac Jones traded to the Raiders.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

How about this? I'm going to throw one out there. How about if the Patriots go after Lamar and try to deal with Baltimore, which would be hilarious as those organizations hate each other. None of this will ever happen.

[Dan Fates]

That doesn't seem likely.

[Mike Catalana]

I would love to see teams be a little more aggressive.

[Dan Fates]

Where do we think Lamar ends up?

[Mike Catalana]

I said this. I would be more worried in the division over the next five years if. Well, three years if. If the jets got Lamar as opposed to getting Aaron Rodgers.

[Dan Fates]

Same.

[Mike Catalana]

I think Lamar with that jets team could be really good. Yeah, but I don't know. I don't think they'll make a play.

[Dan Fates]

You know, do we think a Rod actually go. Aaron Rodgers actually goes to the jets.

[Mike Catalana]

Right here as I feel like he loves flirting. Wednesday at what, 2:30 in the afternoon? I say yes. I think he's going there.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I agree.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, they need. I don't see a lot of other.

[Jenna Cottrell]

They need to Fix that line.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Because he is. He's.

[Dan Fates]

Scared. That's scary.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, certainly. Hey, but keep this in mind. We were talking about it yesterday off the air. You know, everybody says W. You know, the jets would be a lot better. That also makes them better when they play the Dolphins. It also makes them better when they play the Patriots. It sort of makes the division. You know, that jets game is tougher for everybody, not just for the Bills. So the jets were tough last year. Heck, the whole division was spelled still much better.

[Dan Fates]

Bills split with the Jets.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, and the jets hung in there with him in the second game and the Dolphins hung in there with them all three times. So, yeah, they still won the division, but it's already tight.

[Jenna Cottrell]

So I think that I would also be okay. And I know we've talked about this before, like, I'm okay with trading the first. The first round pick and getting impact player right away. I'm also totally for the right player.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I mean, I know we look at it like I was going through the draft picks of. You know, Brandon Bean has drafted more corners than any other position since he took over in 2018. He hasn't drafted a wide receiver in the first three rounds. There needs to be in.

[Mike Catalana]

In fairness, I'll give him traded a one.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Right. That's. And that's what I was kind of getting at. Like, that's.

[Mike Catalana]

But don't you want a wide receiver on a rookie contract? Doesn't that work?

[Dan Fates]

That's pretty nice too.

[Mike Catalana]

I don't know. I mean, they're gonna. You know what? They're gonna take that. Was it easy. Georgia tight end, big blocking.

[Dan Fates]

Tight. Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

In the first round.

[Dan Fates]

How would you feel if they took a tight end?

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, Bowers can't come out till next year. Right.

[Dan Fates]

Georgia guy. I know who you're talking about.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. Made a big.

[Dan Fates]

So many names.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, well, we'll get to all those names. Last thing I want to ask. I want to ask you guys, I. We've said this in the last three podcasts. Is the dig stuff anything to worry about?

[Dan Fates]

I don't think so. Is it just digs? I'm gonna say I feel like it drums up a lot of attention for his brand. Like, yeah, I think he knows how to play social media. Dan, what did you post yesterday?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, it was him after he had posted something along the week that Josh had the elbow injury and he posted like good news or like an exciting emoji and we all took that as, oh, Josh is playing this week. And when we asked him at his press conference, he said, stay off my social media. I. You're reading into too much. And then he laughed about it. And it's a very funny clip.

[Mike Catalana]

Go to Dan Fates on Twitter.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Like, well, it's funny because, Mike, you talked about it, like, oh, he doesn't follow the Bills on Instagram. Still follows Josh Allen. Still follows, like, every other player.

[Mike Catalana]

No, what I said about him following is. It's Instagram. It's like, whatever reason. I don't even know. It's just. It's just. It's just been a lot of him. Just been a lot. I thought just enough bubbling, you know, he's not going to the Cowboys, first of all. They got enough problems. And you want to play with Dak Prescott. God bless you. You know, that ball's gonna be sailing over your head most of the time.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But also, his brother Travion doesn't follow the Cowboys, so Steph does. Travion doesn't.

[Mike Catalana]

So maybe Travion's coming to the bells.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Like, for anybody that reads too much into this, it is like, we could all put on our tinfoil hats and be like, did you see that tweet? And who is he following? It's like this league. So I love. I. I find it amusing. I also found it. It was like the J.J. watt saga when you guys were like, I'm so sick and tired of talking about it. And I was like, this is who he is.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, he.

[Jenna Cottrell]

They like the attention. He's a wide receiver. He's really good. He.

[Mike Catalana]

It's just. It's different than his normal attention. It seems like it's a little too much off the reservation here a little bit. But I just. He's not going anywhere. I just wish.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He's not going anywhere.

[Mike Catalana]

Enough of it. He's not.

[Dan Fates]

He's not. He's not going anywhere.

[Mike Catalana]

God. Again, Dan has said it. We still have said it. Salary cap's not real when you're signing somebody. But once you've signed them and now you. You make a mist. You say, oh, we didn't really like what we just did last year. We're going to trade the guy now and take a $40 million dead cap hit. No. Then it's real.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Then you're just real. Salary cap is fake and not real and can be manipulated.

[Mike Catalana]

Well, yeah, dead cap is part of the salary cap, but I know what you're saying.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, it's different.

[Dan Fates]

You are just incredulous.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Is that. Is that the right word?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Go get Bobby Wagner. Go be super bowl favorites again.

[Dan Fates]

No, now I'm on team. Signed Tremaine Foreign.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I'll take Venti. Salted caramel cold foam.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, my God.

[Dan Fates]

You can't order.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, I'm gonna go Venti. If I. If I'm gonna get a free coffee from. From Cat Brew.

[Dan Fates]

Dan, are you okay? Is everything okay at home?

[Mike Catalana]

By the way, speaking of your Starbucks orders, which are both ridiculous, we ordered the same thing. I saw this comedian, and he said, I go up and I order a black coffee, and they say, what name should I put on it? And he says, I tell them, you don't need to put on a name. You turn around with the cup, you pour coffee in it, I'm still going to be standing right here. That's me.

[Dan Fates]

I don't think.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Starbucks, black coffee and a stone for Catalana.

[Dan Fates]

Okay. I have to say that I tried Mike's wife's scone, the blueberry scone. Incredible.

[Mike Catalana]

Elite.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Elite.

[Dan Fates]

Now, there could be a scone at Starbucks or out. That's probably not going to be as good.

[Mike Catalana]

Maybe not as good, but, yeah, that.

[Dan Fates]

Was an elite scone.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Mike is team Scone.

[Mike Catalana]

Scone.

[Dan Fates]

I like muffins, though.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, I used to be. But they're second now. Scone number one.

[Dan Fates]

A good. But I feel like. I feel like a mediocre just top.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Is ahead of scone.

[Dan Fates]

I feel like it's a bad scone is probably really, really bad. Whereas even a bad muffin is like.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, because scones, when they go. It's day three. You can't go day three. Day two is spectacular.

[Dan Fates]

That's when I had the scone.

[Mike Catalana]

It was spectacular.

[Dan Fates]

Is she gonna make some fun?

[Mike Catalana]

She was gonna. Yeah. There may be some waiting for you. I told her not to make them. Now.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That was. That was what I got. The one time before we. We went on a trip. Jenna gets scones. I got an apple.

[Dan Fates]

Hey, what can I say? You're just not me, Dan. Sorry. All right. Actually, you have to go. I know. You have to leave.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yep.

[Dan Fates]

Okay, So. I know.

[Mike Catalana]

I think I'm gonna do this all the time now.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I agree.

[Dan Fates]

You have. I. You rarely wear a hoodie, Mike.

[Mike Catalana]

I know. This is from Innovation Foods. This is my brother's and my nephew's plant. Oatley by oatley. By the way, can I put a commercial in that?

[Jenna Cottrell]

We got some in the fridge.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. Buy Oatley. Made it. Innovation, Millville, New Jersey. There we go.

[Dan Fates]

All right. Thank you for joining us. Please be sure to, like, comment. Just comment. If you think Tremaine Edmonds comes back?

[Mike Catalana]

Yes. Comment on scones, too.

[Dan Fates]

Do they make chocolate chip scones?

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Fates]

It's over. All right. And please be sure to subscribe.

[Mike Catalana]

Last.

[Jenna Cottrell]

The last time we did a podcast, it started off with Bill stuff. And then we got into the grammar lesson when Jenna gave us the word of the day. This one ended with scone talk.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah. Also incredulous. Yeah is a good word for you, Dan. Unwilling to believe. Okay. All right. Yeah, we'll talk next time. Again, please be sure to subscribe. For Mike and Dan, I am Jenna. See you next time on Buffalo Plus.