BILLS pick WR KEON COLEMAN to help JOSH ALLEN, BUFFALO'S DRAFT DAY 2 RECAP

Summary

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Episode: BILLS pick WR KEON COLEMAN to help JOSH ALLEN, BUFFALO'S DRAFT DAY 2 RECAP
Date: April 27, 2024
Hosts: Mike Catalana & Jenna Cottrell (Dan Fetes off this episode)

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers an in-depth wrap-up of the Buffalo Bills’ activity on Day 2 of the 2024 NFL Draft. With analysis centered around the drafting of wide receiver Keon Coleman and safety Cole Bishop, hosts Mike Catalana and Jenna Cottrell discuss team strategy, fit, and the broader narrative of Buffalo’s approach at this critical juncture. The show covers draft tactics, player traits, Brandon Beane’s choices, and a candid look ahead to Day 3.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reflections on Round 1: Trading with Kansas City

• Trepidation Over Trading with a Rival: Jenna expresses discomfort with trading draft picks to the Chiefs, Buffalo’s postseason nemesis:

  “I still will say with my chest that I don’t love trading with Kansas City... you're trying to overcome the team that has ended your season four out of the last five seasons.” (01:13)

  • She points out the risk of seeing “their guy,” Xavier Worthy, scoring against Buffalo in a big game.

• Narrative of Trade Decisions: Mike questions the logic of downplaying Kansas City’s urgency:

  “If the Chiefs were so confident they were going to get Worthy, why were they calling the Bills to trade up?” (03:03)

2. Keon Coleman: The New WR in Buffalo

• Initial Reaction & Traits: Jenna admits mixed initial feelings but is swayed by Dan Orlovsky’s endorsement and Brandon Beane’s praise of Coleman’s “above the rim” ability and confidence:

  “He’s a Hooper... He has that kind of — Brandon Beane said — bravado. And I could see it. That’s a guy... classified as a dog. And the Bills need dogs.” (04:48)

• Concerns About Speed: Jenna shares direct insight from a question about Coleman’s purported lack of speed:

  “What does he say to those people? ...He showed off some of that bravado... saying, like, ‘I’ve never been caught from behind.’” (06:08)

• Skillset and Fit:

  • Mike emphasizes the value of contested catches and Coleman’s “outside” WR presence, especially in the red zone:

    “When Josh is running around, a 40 yard dash, time does not matter... find the spot and go up and get the ball.” (07:09)

3. Safety Cole Bishop: Versatility and Leadership

• Pick Value & Traits:
  • Bishop is praised for toughness, positional versatility, and leadership—plus his experience covering Dalton Kincaid in college:

    “He said, you know, I’ve gotten a lot better at covering tight ends because going up against Dalton Kincaid..." (12:45)

  • Mike notes Bishop’s physical traits — bigger safety build with possible “big nickel” utility — and calls him “a guy McDermott’s gonna love.” (13:31)

4. DT Dwayne Carter: Reinforcing the Line

• Quick Hit: Carter is described as a durable, undersized three-technique, drafted as depth and a developmental option behind Ed Oliver (16:18). Leadership is noted by his multi-year captaincy at Duke.

5. Roster Construction, Day 3 Expectations, and Larger Draft Trends

• Wide Receiver Draft Philosophy: The hosts reflect on Buffalo’s rare use of premium picks on WRs:

  “128 was the highest pick they've ever used in the Beane-McDermott era on a wide receiver [before Coleman].” (23:29)

  • Mike expresses intent to research how Buffalo compares to the rest of the league in this area.

• Day 3 Needs & Approach:

  • Jenna believes more WR help and a running back are likely on Day 3.
  • Mike discusses the value and risk in later draft rounds, illustrating with examples like Matt Milano’s fifth-round selection versus failed mid-round picks elsewhere (22:53).

• Notable Football Quotes on Draft Value:

  “People love picks. People don't always love players.” — Reflecting the risk inherent in draft projections and the emotional attachment fans have to the idea of upside (17:23).

• The Search for “Dogs” & Playmakers:

  “Josh Allen is a Lamborghini of a quarterback. Do not surround him with Subaru Outbacks.” — Jenna, on the importance of matching talent to quarterback potential (22:53)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Keon Coleman’s Confidence:

  “I’ve never been caught from behind.” — Keon Coleman (recapped by Jenna, 06:08)

• On Drafting for Need vs. Value:

  “No, you brought in players to potentially fill those needs.” — Mike, on the distinction between addressing needs and solving them (16:57)

• On WR Pick Philosophy:

  “They keep giving Mahomes weapons, or at least trying to.” — Mike, comparing Kansas City’s and Buffalo’s approaches (25:03)

• Humorous Aside on Team Cars:

  “Josh Allen is a Lamborghini... Don’t surround him with Subaru Outbacks.” — Jenna (22:53)
  “Khalil Shakir drives a Subaru, which—they’re very dependable cars!” — Jenna, jokingly (23:05)

• On Press Room Anxiety:

  “I stood there for probably—I’m not kidding you—five minutes just like, just do, just get it over with, Jenna... It was not great. I hate that. It’s so embarrassing.” — Jenna, on doing on-camera news hits in front of peers (28:52)

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Key Timestamps

• Chiefs Trade and Draft Strategy: 00:37 – 03:39
• First Impressions of Keon Coleman: 03:39 – 06:43
• Coleman’s Response to Speed Critique: 05:34 – 06:32
• Coleman’s Role and Red Zone Use: 07:09
• Cole Bishop Pick Discussion: 10:52 – 13:54
• Draft Philosophy, Day 3 Outlook: 20:01 – 22:53
• On WR Picks in Buffalo’s History: 23:29 – 24:26
• League Trends & Pat Mahomes Comparison: 24:28 – 25:25
• Press Room Anecdote: 28:31 – 29:07

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Tone & Takeaways

The conversation is honest, witty, and characteristically conversational, reflecting a mix of fan and insider perspectives. The hosts balance critique with optimism, especially around Coleman's upside and Bishop's fit. They maintain skepticism about some philosophical aspects of the Bills’ draft history, but give credit for addressing pressing needs with higher-upside players. Regular playful banter, late-night weariness, and acknowledgment of draft “roulette” keeps the tone lively and relatable.

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If you’re looking for a thorough, boots-on-the-ground perspective of Buffalo’s 2024 Draft Day 2 moves, this episode delivers everything from nuanced pick breakdowns to the real talk of covering the Bills for a living.

Transcript

[A]

He's talking about in the red zone. We've all seen it. When Josh is running around, if 40 yard dash time does not matter. When Josh is running around, you're trying to find the spot and go up and get the ball.

[B]

All right. Welcome back to the Buffalo plus podcast, presented by Connors and Ferris. Mike Catalana. I am Jenna Cottrell. Dan Fates with a veteran night off at. After a very long day one and day two of the draft, day two just wrapping up. But hey, Mike, the Bills drafted players, so there's that.

[A]

Yesterday was frustrating and probably we did a little too much, I don't know, analysis of what Brandon Bean had done. When I say that, I'm going to say maybe not analysis, the right word. Maybe it's just flat out criticism of some of the things that he had done because you sat there the whole time and thought, come on, he can't come up with anybody or move up to get somebody in the round. And then you look at it and you go, okay, take it back a little bit. Go into two full days of a draft. Not so bad.

[B]

Not so bad. I think I still will say with my chest that I don't love trading with Kansas City. I still, I still feel that way. I know some people are like, look, and Brandon Bean said this yesterday. He said, hey, like the, the Chiefs, they were going to get their guy because they were trading up all this stuff. They offered us the best deal. I hear that and I understand. But that says to me one thing that a, the Chiefs were trying to trade up because they thought someone else was going to take their guy. So I think also Bean mentioned the fact that there were other deals that were offered for trading back. So I just don't love it. I. I feel like you're trying to overcome the team that has ended your season four out of the last five seasons. And the talent that, look, Xavier Worthy might be really fast, but he also might be injury prone. So there's that. And also, you know how narratives work, Mike. And if it's a big game and a playoff game and Xavier Worthy scores a touchdown, the first thing mentioned is not going to be, well, the Bills traded back because they didn't like their board. The first thing is going to be, you know, here's a guy who was traded. The Bills traded with him. The Chiefs wanted to go get their dude. It's. It's just.

[A]

Was that your Chris Collinsworth impression?

[B]

Yeah. Whenever anyone says here's a guy, it's okay. So also, we're recording this at what time? Yeah, it's like on Friday.

[A]

Midnight.

[B]

Midnight, yeah.

[A]

Okay, here's what I wanted to say about the. The. That what they ended up doing is the narrative was. And. And we're not going to talk too long on this because we're going to move into what they.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

The narrative is, well, the Chiefs would have gotten their guy anyhow. Okay, let me ask you this. If the Chiefs were so confident they were going to get Worthy, why were they calling the Bills to trade up?

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Like, they were concerned that he was going to go somewhere, and in all likelihood, they figured the Bills were not taking them, so they wanted to get ahead of the Cowboys or the Niners. Look, it might have been all nonsense and maybe they would have gotten their guy, but the Bills traded with them, so again, they'll be tied. Look, here's what the Bills hope. They hope Worthy's no good, and they hope that Keon Coleman is really good for them. Yeah, they didn't wait that long to get him. It's only five picks back from where they were. It just seemed like forever until they got there.

[B]

It was just all the waiting that you had to do in the time that you're thinking about of, wow, they still don't have a wide receiver. And I'm not gonna lie. At first, when it was like, all right, we. We got some intel that it was going to be Coleman, and I was like, I don't know how I feel about that. Obviously, he's a big guy, strong, physical. You know, you talk about the jump ball capacity. He played basketball at a very high level. Played at Michigan State before he transferred to fsu. Brandon Bean talked about his above the rim ability, which I just love. Like, he's a Hooper. I just. I just think that's funny. But I was kind of like, you know, there were questions about his speed and would he be fast enough and would that. That lack of separation really be an issue, especially as he takes his jump to the NFL. So I was kind of out on it, and then Dan tweeted it out because Dan Orlovsky tweeted that he loved the pick for the Bills. And I'm not gonna lie, hearing him say that, I'm like, dude knows ball. I appreciate it. And then also talking to Keon Coleman, the. The Bills, he had a zoom with him and just. He has that kind of Brandon Bean said, bravado. Oh, bravado.

[A]

That's an old school. That's an old school.

[B]

It is. But I loved it and I could see it and I I just thought that's a guy that is classified to me as a dog.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the bills need dogs. I also need a dog, Zach. I want a dog.

[A]

Okay, we're. We're. Now we're talking different dogs. There's all kinds of dogs.

[B]

Say I would like a golden retriever.

[A]

Golden retriever. He's a dog in a good sense. We're not talking about a dog in a bad sense. So here's what we're saying, though, about the speed thing, because you want big, you want fast, you want. Okay. You want a dunze.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. He went in the top 10.

[B]

So a little different.

[A]

He's gone. I want you to say, what happened when you asked Keon Coleman about the speed?

[B]

Well, hat tip. It was a great question by you. And I was just the kind.

[A]

I fed it to her. Like. Like in some of the old movies.

[B]

Where it's like we're getting word from our producer. No.

[A]

What did I say to ask him?

[B]

You asked. You said to ask him. Essentially. There's so much talk about his ability to be contested catch guy, all those things, but a lot of people that have doubts about his speed. What does he say to those people? And I thought his answer was pretty good. It showed off some of that bravado as well, saying, like, well, I. I've never been caught.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

From behind. And he go. He went on to say that, Look, I've never been called that by guys on the field. And I think it showed some of that confidence that he has, and we'll see if it translates to the NFL level. But I. I did like the confidence that he had, and I think he's someone who's. Who really like looking at his tape. Some of those catches he makes are incredibly impressive.

[A]

Yeah, look, he is. He is known for the contested catches. If you haven't seen some of the highlights, not a contested catch. Look at the one he made against poor Syracuse. I know your alma mater.

[B]

I know.

[A]

I mean, he just went up and just took the ball. And there have been players. Orlopsky. Compared them again, these are comps. These are like, you play like the guy, not like you're the guy. Compared him to Brandon Marshall, where he said, not going to run by everybody, but he's going to make plays. And Bean talked about where they would like to use them. I mean, use them all over the field. He can line up on the outside. Jenna, they don't have guys to line up on the outside. Not really.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they need that. But you line them up out There, but he's talking about in the red zone. We've all seen it. When Josh is running around a 40 yard dash, time does not matter. When Josh is running around, you're trying to find the spot and go up and get the ball.

[B]

You are taller, more physical, stronger.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

All those things matter.

[A]

Yeah. So look, he's got a long way. He's got to come in. He's gotta learn what they want to do. He's got to prove he can be out there right away. But I would say, talent wise, I don't know how much difference there is. I liked Brian Thomas. I don't know where the talent level changes. This is where, as the general manager, he's got to sit there and say, is it worth it for me to give up extra assets to get this guy or do I wait? The interesting thing to me, Janet, is that he really wanted him. You heard Bean?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like he really wanted Coleman.

[B]

I see. A part of me is like, no, I had the whole day to talk himself into it a little bit.

[A]

But I'm saying, Liz, like, he was focused on that guy. I don't. I think he believed other people might have had him ranked a little lower. And nobody was going to take him though. Again. Leggette was ranked lower. Lower. But the Panthers wanted him. Worthy in a lot of places was ranked lower and they wanted him. Maybe you just had them. And you're right, you do have that whole night to sit there. By the way, I'm a little uncomfortable here. I don't know if this spot.

[B]

That's Dan spot.

[A]

It's the dance spot. And I'm wearing a jacket because I just got done the sports cast, so. And it's just the way it was.

[B]

Well, I. I will say if you're like, oh, the shot kind of looks weird. Yeah, I set it up, so it probably looks weird.

[A]

Yeah, it's more like I got it.

[B]

And. And Mike is the. It's midnight.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I went to bed at 4am yesterday.

[A]

It is brutal.

[B]

I mean, I wouldn't call it brutal, but it's just.

[A]

It's a long stretch.

[B]

It's a long stretch. I'm giving you the.

[A]

I'm giving you the.

[B]

I know. I just.

[A]

I didn't say you were out digging ditches. I said it was a long night. You're coming back from Buffalo?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Going back up there today. How was it hanging with the whole crew today in Buffalo?

[B]

It was good. So we got Mr. Sizzle in Buffalo. It's like a burger, fried chicken place, have sliders that are enormous. And I had three. They were really good. Not gonna lie, like, very impressed.

[A]

And yesterday that what they have for you.

[B]

Yesterday, they had mulberries. They had Italian food. Oh, yeah, I ate my. I ate. You know, when you put the salad on your plate, you're like, never, never gonna happen.

[A]

It looks good. When you're walking back to the table.

[B]

Yes. You're like, oh, she has vegetables and just never touch them. The meatballs are like this big. They're huge. Yeah.

[A]

When I say Bean liked him, I think he liked the traits and I think he thought I was just skipping past the food because I'm kind of hungry now. But the idea of saying, all right, I'm going to go for this level of player, I do like that. I think he has physical traits that are above and beyond some of the other guys around there. And that includes Worthy. Worthy's trade is the 180 degree difference in the judging of these guys. Worthy is a total speed guy. That's who he is. He is incredibly fast.

[B]

He's exceptional speed. I just, I do worry about how light he is. He is 165 pounds.

[A]

Well, in contested, all those things, that's not who he is. You're going to use him differently. If you got him on your team, you're going to use him differently. So that's why I say, like, it's just the way this works out. We don't know how all these guys are going to go. And they did. Look, they needed a receiver, they got a receiver. I think they're still going to take another one.

[B]

I. Yeah, I actually thought they would would do that tonight. But in the second round, their later pick.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

They decided to take safety Cole Bishop out of Utah.

[A]

I want you very good friends.

[B]

Very good friends with Dalton Kincade. No, it was just. I'm laughing because he said shoot a couple times. Like, oh, shoot. Like if you're friendly on the Buffalo plus YouTube channel, you know, like, we're never gonna say shoot. We're gonna say the other sh. Blank.

[A]

Cole Bishop is a character in a Hallmark movie.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It might like you to meet Cole.

[B]

Looks like Zach Wilson.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I. Maybe I'm crazy, but I can kind of see it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But yeah, safety. I'm sure McDermott, you know, the coaching up of him.

[A]

I was reading some of our friend Chris Trasso's analysis of Bishop and the things were really interesting. Talking about directing the defense a lot of times where he played. He is bigger. He's 62207. But he has short arms.

[B]

Well, no, I know that matters.

[A]

That's a coverage. It's a coverage thing. Yeah, it's a coverage thing about where he lines up. But I gotta tell you, people around the league, at least some of the people I was looking at were like, this is a guy who will get after it with tight ends, play the tight end position. There's a. There's a couple of those players that the Bills have to worry about. And look, it's. It's the end of Poyer and Hyde. It is.

[B]

It is. Also, Bishop does offer a lot of versatility where you want to line him up. He played free safety, he played strong safety. He played special teams a lot. And he did mention, though, I thought this was a nice little hat tip. He said, you know, I've gotten a lot better at covering tight ends because going up against Dalton Kincaid.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For my first two years in college certainly helped.

[A]

He also, I believe, not necessarily a linebacker position, but this is. This is, you know, I mean, he's. He's 200. I don't know. I don't know specifically what Terrell Bernard plays at. I don't know what the number is.

[B]

Oh, he said. I think he said 225.

[A]

Right. So 225.

[B]

10.

[A]

225, I'm saying is. It's just where that world has collided in terms of. Linebackers used to be much bigger than safeties. This is a bigger safety, some smaller linebackers. I think he's a good tackler. He's around the ball. I think he's got a lot of those traits. He just seems like a guy McDermott's gonna love.

[B]

Yeah, definitely a strong tackler. Tackler. And he's one of those leaders, character guys. We know Sean McDermott, Brandon Bean, preached the culture so much, they made some moves this off season to kind of, you know, separate from some of the leaders on this team. So I think for this group, they. They always have an emphasis on leadership and things like that, but I think that's once again a reason to why they have that focus.

[A]

So let me ask you what your thought is, at least initially. We haven't seen this guy at all. He's coming in there, but he's a high draft pick for him. I mean, you're taking him, 60th pick, second round. Mike Edwards is in, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And they brought back Rap Taylor Rapp. I think this seems to be a guy. Well, first of all, this kind of guy is obviously going to play special teams, and we know they always say that. I'm talking about for the defense. I think. I think it's a role. I also think, you know, again, this is just me talking before we talk real. I think that big nickel position sometimes, too. I think he fits there.

[B]

Yeah, I could see that.

[A]

And. And putting him in different places on the field. So I think he, He. He at least position physically comes up as one of those guys with the ability to put. Get him on the field. I guess this is my point that I wasn't making. Clearly get him on the field. Before you say, oh, he's our starter. Like, they will find a way to get this guy on the field.

[B]

I think he's that much of an athlete and he does have that versatility. I think it will be challenging to learn McDermott's playbook and all that stuff, especially if you have, you know, multiple positions or multiple spots. But again, he's one of those players that, you know, that's what you expect. Get him in, get him into the system, all that stuff, and see how he comes along. But they needed us. They needed safety.

[A]

And I like second round. I like second round for safeties. I think. Was the other kid Guyton, I think. Did he go to the Jets? I should remember that. But he was a safety. That was. Oh, Newman. Tyler. New.

[B]

Oh, Newman.

[A]

Yeah. Hello, Newbin.

[B]

Oh, my God. You.

[A]

I think embarrassing.

[B]

Giants.

[A]

Oh, Giants. That's right. And I like Kenshin, the guy out of Florida. He just. Or Florida. Miami. He just out of Florida. Yes, that is true. He just went late, so.

[B]

Okay, well, talking about late.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For the Bills.

[A]

Dwayne Carter.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Duke.

[B]

I'm pretty. Duke. Yes. Yeah. He was a captain for four years straight.

[A]

Yeah, he was there for five years. He must have red shirted.

[B]

That's incredible.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, look, you said he was defensive tackle start three technique guy.

[A]

People would think he'd be like in an Ed Oliver mode. Back up to Ed.

[B]

Yeah, learn from Ed. Go from there.

[A]

I guess when I looked at the draft and you looked at it, you'd say glaring needs of positions. With all due respect to Brandon Bean, who said they did not have a glaring need at wide receiver, but they did. They still can get another receiver.

[B]

They still can.

[A]

I think they will need. Yes, they need. I would say wide receiver, safety, defensive line, so at least positionally, that's the three they took.

[B]

Makes sense.

[A]

And I always laugh when I listen to draft coverage and they'll say they filled three needs. No, you brought in players to potentially fill those needs. But, you know, it's just said like, you know, in the NFL Network way of everything is like a great pick and a great. This is what the hope is. They addressed the need.

[B]

Correct. And you're going to hear Dan say a lot. People love picks. People don't always love players. Yeah, because it is true. When you talk about the. The deal for. With the Chiefs to get more picks for them to trade up, you love the idea of the pick. But some third rounders are Cody Ford. You know, it's not always. Just because a pick is a good pick doesn't mean it will be.

[A]

They drafted Dwayne Carter with that pick.

[B]

So we'll see.

[A]

Right? You hope he's good.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Right.

[B]

The. The hope is definitely that you see the ceiling and the upside and all that stuff, but realistically, every team has players that just don't pan out how you expected. And then to counteract that, some teams get really lucky and find a guy later on. I saw someone the other day. I'm gonna get triggered. I can't.

[A]

Here we go.

[B]

No, I just saw some the other, other day that was like Stefan Diggs with a. Was a 5th round pick. Puka Nakua was a late round pick. Like, you can get really talented wide receivers in late rounds. You can, but those guys are the exception and there's a reason why. Yeah, there's not. They're not up around talent. It's just how it works.

[A]

I have spent such an inordinate amount of time looking at receivers over the years and how they were drafted. And I'm looking at them and I'm saying to myself, oh, my God, I don't even remember that guy's name. I don't remember him being anywhere. You're looking at guys taken sometimes in the second, third round, it just didn't work out. But other guys taken in the fifth round, sixth round, seventh, they're nobody. We forget about all those. It's like, wow, you know, you can get Tom Brady in the sixth round.

[B]

Why do. Why did. How many quarterbacks won the first round? Why worry about that? Just draft him in the sixth round.

[A]

Because Tom Brady was in the sixth round. Stefan Diggs.

[B]

Okay, I'm. I'm turning into Dan. I'm becoming the heel.

[A]

You should be in this uncomfortable. This is. This is why Dan is so cranky.

[B]

I feel like you need to move over because the camera is like when you take the one shot, it looks.

[A]

I said that to you before and you told me to keep moving. Right. It's like with the little kid where he's like.

[B]

But you kept moving. Like, you gotta go that way.

[A]

I. I'm all the way over.

[B]

No, you're not. You've moved. So you cover up the two years.

[A]

How's that?

[B]

See what I deal with?

[A]

I should be like, here, right?

[B]

Yeah, that. That looks better. But now the, the two shot looks hilarious. Looks like we don't like each other.

[A]

Well, right now that's the case. Damn it.

[B]

Okay, let's talk about day three.

[A]

All right. Yeah. And what they're gonna do.

[B]

Look, four fifth round picks. Four. I said that, right? Yeah, four fifth round picks.

[A]

And I told you that the. A lot of people were looking at the way the draft was going.

[B]

You already moved over.

[A]

I was trying to get. Oh, my God, you have the nice center. See? Am I all right here?

[B]

Yes, but I want you already moved over. Sorry. I know we're loopy.

[A]

I. I was reading some people saying is. It looks like the value is in the fourth round. So I don't know if the Bills will try to trade up at all. There's still wide receivers out there. I. You know what? I apologize for this. I didn't see at the end because we were doing the newscast and getting ready to come in here. I didn't see. And maybe I'm wrong. I didn't see if Franklin went off the board, Baker went off the board. In terms of wide receivers, I didn't know at the end because there were. There went up to a hundred picks. But I do believe they're going to take a wide receiver. I think they're going to take a running back at some point in this draft. And I still, I think they may take a flyer on a pass rusher too. You know, why not? Yeah. So usually at this point you're still going for, you know, you're going around four. It's. It sort of starts changing. Four and five to me are more about players. You certainly have an idea about the Flyers come in the sixth and seventh round where you take the guy with physical talent but he's had injuries, or you take the guy who's a little bit slower, but he's always made plays. Like in whatever it is, you take the wide receiver from the smaller school, Flournoy, the guy they've been talking about. I'm not moving.

[B]

No, I know. I'm not laughing at you. I'm laughing at, like thinking about. You talk about in the later rounds. Six, seven. Taking a guy with a tremendous upside, but obviously there's reasons why he did not get drafted earlier and I just love the mental gymnastics of like, hey, the Chiefs picked up this guy, could have been a first rounder if he was 2 inches taller and like, like seconds faster on his 40 and had longer wingspan. Like, it's like, you know, you can mental gymnastics your way around.

[A]

Yeah.

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Chief's got to steal with this guy. Even though every team passed up on him multiple times.

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Well, they said the Chiefs took an offensive lineman. They. They were looking at him in the last round and they got him here. I'm like, okay. So they liked him. And then they thought, well, this is too early to pick this guy. Then when they get him, they go, wow. Once it's all done, we all talk about value. You talk about a million of those things, but once it's all done, it's a guy on your team, on your roster. Can he play? Can he not play? That's why no one cares now what Matt Milano was in the fifth round. Yeah, they don't, because he can play so well.

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I was getting very antsy going to Buffalo today because I was like, josh Allen is a Lamborghini of a quarterback. Do not surround him with Subaru outbacks. Don't wait till later on.

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Who's the Subaru driver on the Bills?

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Khalil Shakir drives a Subaru, which. They're very dependable cars. I had them.

[A]

They're great. They're just not like our TV stations. Cars are Subaru.

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Yeah, they're just not like in the know.

[A]

They have like a billion miles on them. And wide receiver, I wanted to say 128 was where Gabe Davis was picked in the fourth round.

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And the Bills have a 128 yet again this year.

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Yes, but they took a wide receiver today at 33. 128 was the highest. They've the. The highest pick they've ever used in the Bean McDermit era on a wide receiver.

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That is interesting.

[A]

So I look at that and I go, I. I'm going to do a little research on this. I'm going to do some research. I want to look.

[B]

You're on camera.

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I am going to do some research and I am going to look up the teams around the league and say, how many of them have taken a wide receiver in the first or second round over the past seven years? I. I think there's a lot. I think if you include the third round, I bet you it is 90%.

[B]

That's what I was thinking in my own head.

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And the Bills haven't taken. They've only taken one in the Fourth round.

[B]

It's pretty incredible when you think about it.

[A]

Yeah. So I mean they did, they traded for days. I understand important but I'm talking about that is where you're using a number one pick on an established player. I'm talking about saying hmm. And everybody has been telling me that the Chiefs have failed in picking receivers. You're not wrong. Like they have not done a great job of picking wide receivers. They keep drafting wide receivers. They keep bringing them in, you know and I don't know if Worthy's going to work out but they keep giving Mahomes weapons or at least trying to.

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I did think it was interesting when the Bills flip flop from 33 to or no. 32 to 33 only because with them taking a wide receiver, especially for if Keon Coleman is that guy and pans out and all that stuff with it not being the fifth year, if he is a first round guy, the fifth year option. And that to me is. Is future Brandon Bean problem.

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But you know what?

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I did think that was interesting.

[A]

But what's interesting about that position in some cases is that teams are like, like Devonte Smith signed that deal after three years. They came up with it or you do what they did with some other guys where you, you pick up the fifth pick. Well they did with him to technically picked it up to wait it out. Sometimes when you wait it out you end up paying more because you pick up the fifth year option. Then maybe you have to put the franchise tag on them. I'm still curious as what's going to happen with the Niners and the Bengals with Higgins, Debo and what they end up doing. But I think those guys could still get traded. But it's weird after the draft. It's weird because now if you say we're going to trade these guys like what are you trading for next year draft picks? I guess some teams may do that but it's, it's an expensive proposition. If you trade for Brandon Iuk, you're going to pay him. So I honestly think there's a better shot at a team like the Patriots. They don't spend any money making it. Giving up a pick for next year and going I'm not saying they're getting Iuk. I'm saying maybe Debo. I'm saying is because they've got the cap space, they've got the young quarterback.

[B]

Want to surround him with yeah weapons.

[A]

Can I say what I say? Drake may what got a punchable face. He might be like the nicest kid in the world.

[B]

He Might be. Dan said he was dressed like a groomsman. He might be.

[A]

He might be a great, hardworking kid. It was funny. Belichick was asked about him.

[B]

Yes.

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And he said, it's the most I've.

[B]

Really heard him talk.

[A]

I, I. Belichick's pretty good. Oh, yeah, he's good at that. But he just. But he was like, hey, he compares himself to Josh Allen. He. He didn't say, like, good luck with that, but he was like, yeah, we'll see. Like that. Because obviously, Belichick was very respectful of Josh Allen as a talent, but he put the perfect game up against him. But anyhow, that was just funny. That's just my take on Drake May. New England looks like they've done a few smart things. They're trying to surround them. They brought in some players, but jets took an offensive lineman. Like, I always hate when the dumb teams start doing smart stuff.

[B]

Yeah. Sad to see you're like, oh, you can't be a punchline anymore. They probably said that about the Bills.

[A]

Even the Cowboys made a couple smart plays.

[B]

I was thinking about, like, the reaction of Josh Allen being drafted by Buffalo and how much of a punchline line that was back in 2018. Remember, everyone was like, they took the wrong Josh, myself included, hand up. We see how that. We saw how that went.

[A]

Josh Rosen's available anyhow. All right. Punchy, punchy. Please, can I move? I got to get out of this chair.

[B]

Yeah, I want to go home.

[A]

I'm in the Dan chair.

[B]

Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe, and share. I don't think we said that. Oh, can I just say real quick before we go? So in the Bill's media room, all the reporters are there when we wait for Brandon Bean and whoever comes out. And today I had to do, like, my thing on camera in front of everyone.

[A]

Oh, you must have hated that.

[B]

I stood there for probably. I'm not kidding you. Five minutes. Just like, Just do. Just get it over with, Jenna. Just get it over with. And I was just like, the Bills drafted Kia. It was. It was not great. I hate that. It's so embarrassing.

[A]

Why do you care?

[B]

Because it just makes me anxious. Because it's. It's like public speaking, but not really, but it's still like public speaking, which people think because of our job, she's.

[A]

Better than all of them.

[B]

Okay, that's just not true. It's just not true. But you know how it's like, I don't know, it's like public speaking, but I think sometimes people think we enjoy public speaking because of our job.

[A]

I like public speaking. I talk all the time.

[B]

You're lit. His initial. Your initials are M.C. yeah, of course. You're good at that. You can do a great auction.

[A]

I'm an auctioneer. I told my wife, I said I have a skill that will cost us more time away on the weekends. And I get no money for it. But it's good. I. I bring in a lot of money on an auction.

[B]

Yeah, you do a good job for charity. Yeah, I guess that's a good reason.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, that's true. Yeah. Got a big one coming up.

[B]

I was say we should go because no one cares. Please be sure. Like comment, subscribe and share. For Dan, who's not here. Michael, I'm Jenna. We'll catch you next time here on Buffalo Plus. So the Bills seven picks. Tomorrow we'll have our draft recap of everything.

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You got it.

[B]

I really hope this has audio. Foreign.

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