BILLS season SUPERLATIVES and the LEGEND of 'SLICK RICK'

Summary

Buffalo Plus Podcast – "BILLS Season SUPERLATIVES and the LEGEND of 'SLICK RICK'"

Date: February 13, 2025
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes

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Overview

In this engaging post-season episode, the Buffalo Plus team dives into their annual Buffalo Bills team superlatives, breaks down the unforgettable story of “Slick Rick” (Roderick Murrow), and reflects on memorable moments and key contributors from the 2024-25 season. The trio—Mike, Jenna, and Dan—mixes in-depth analysis, inside locker room anecdotes, good-natured debates, and plenty of humor. Special attention is paid to both on-field performances and the emotional highlights, notably surrounding Josh Allen’s MVP honor and the impact of unsung team heroes.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

The Legend of Slick Rick (00:55 - 09:33)

• Story Introduction: Josh Allen’s MVP speech included an unexpected, heartfelt shoutout to "Slick Rick," the longtime Bills mailroom employee, Roderick Murrow.
  • "I almost had a heart attack when he said my name." – Slick Rick (01:04)
  • The acknowledgment sent shockwaves among fans and staff, with Rick sharing genuine emotion and disbelief at being recognized on national TV.
  • Mike, Dan, and Jenna discuss Rick’s humility, his daily bus ride to the facility, and his “living the dream” attitude after 15 years in the organization (06:47).
  • The story is recognized by national media, with ESPN’s Scott Van Pelt highlighting it and referencing Maya Angelou’s quote about how people remember the way you make them feel (08:08–08:13).
  • The conversation underscores the Bills’ close-knit culture and Josh Allen’s down-to-earth approach. Jenna adds, "Some things are bigger than sports moments that tug on everybody's heartstrings..." (02:37)

Josh Allen: MVP and More (02:06 - 09:33)

• Allen’s MVP win is contextualized—not just as a football achievement, but for his self-aware and humble persona.
  • "It's great to have that self-awareness... they are people, they're just very good at a sport." – Jenna (03:26)
  • The team notes Allen’s willingness to connect personally with everyone in the building, highlighting the moment he recognized kids from a hospital video and the genuine reaction he had to it (04:06).

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Team Superlatives: 2024-25 Buffalo Bills

Categories: Most likely to succeed, biggest improvement/surprise/disappointment, player of the year (offense, defense, special teams), and fun ones like best hair, most likely to be president, best on a deserted island, and more (10:06).

Most Likely to Succeed Next Season (10:37)

• Defense:
  • Greg Rousseau (Dan & Mike): Cited for impact despite lack of help on the D-line; high expectations for further growth (11:34–14:16).
  • Cole Bishop (Jenna & Mike): Praised for adjusting quickly as a rookie with hopes he'll build on valuable experience (15:21–16:56).
• Offense:
  • Ray Davis (Jenna & Dan): Shows flashes of production and resilience, both on and off the field, lauded for attitude and future upside (14:30, 17:03).
  • "That dude's gonna be fine. That's the way I look [at it]." – Dan (17:33)

Biggest Improvement (17:44)

• Khalil Shakir (Jenna): Developed into Allen’s dependable “go-to guy,” exceeding expectations for role and reliability (17:44–19:15).
  • "He lived up to the hype and then some." – Jenna (18:49)
• James Cook (Mike): Showed tremendous growth, proficiency in the run and pass games, and delivered big playoff moments (19:29–20:21).
  • "He could be my non-Josh Allen MVP and also biggest improvement." – Mike (20:00)
• Spencer Brown (Dan): Offensive lineman’s energy, attitude, and improved performance drew praise from around the league (20:34–21:18).
  • "He is becoming just a force on that line." – Jenna (21:17)
• Connor McGovern (Jenna): Stepped up as a reliable starting center after initial preseason struggles (32:55–33:37).

Biggest Surprise (23:16)

• Mac Hollins (Mike, Dan, Jenna): Emerged as a trusted target for Allen and brought intangible leadership and energy (23:22–24:18).
  • "Mac Hollins is an energy giver... walking into the stadium and his play on the field..." – Jenna (24:06)
• Austin Johnson (Dan): Little-used player tied for team lead in interceptions (24:44).
• Positive surprises contrasted with players who underwhelmed, moving the discussion to “biggest disappointment.”

Biggest Disappointment (25:42)

• Dalton Kincaid: Did not live up to lofty expectations set at draft; lacking consistent impact as a matchup nightmare tight end (25:42–28:00).
  • "He hasn't become that mismatch... doesn't mean the book is out, but... you needed more out of him." – Jenna (26:22)
• Kaiir Elam: Training camp promise didn’t translate to games; seems miscast in current scheme—likely needs a new team to thrive (29:01–30:48).
• Keon Coleman & others noted for not fully meeting rookie expectations (31:03–31:39).

Players of the Year (31:53)

• Offense:
  • Dion Dawkins (Mike): The backbone of an improved offensive line, set the tone and protected Allen consistently (32:01–32:51).
  • James Cook (Jenna): Explosive and reliable in both phases (34:50).
  • Josh Allen (Jenna): Nominee for his obvious and continued importance (34:53).
• Defense:
  • Terrel Bernard (All): Stepped up as the new defensive leader, only defensive captain, consistent play, critical role in defensive success and post-injury resilience (35:01–36:02).
  • Exploration of Matt Milano’s future and the need for durability/athleticism at the LB spot.
• Special Teams:
  • Tyler Bass (Dan, Jenna): Bounced back from midseason slump, clutch performances—especially a 61-yarder, strong in playoffs (37:16–39:32).
  • Reid Ferguson (honorable mention): Longest-tenured Bill and highly consistent snapper.

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Fun Superlatives

Most Likely to be President (42:00)

• Vaughn Miller (Dan, Mike): Has the ego and profile to run.
• Micah Hyde (President) & Dawson Knox (VP) (Jenna): “Thoughtful, nice, calm under pressure” (43:25–43:47).
• Josh Allen, Terrel Bernard, Spencer Brown: Noted for various presidential qualities (or lack thereof).

Best Hair (44:24)

• Josh Allen (All): Newly grown “lettuce” was a showstopper, with style peaks at NFL Honors and through the season (44:27–45:51).
• Ty Johnson, Mac Hollins, Dawson Knox: All recognized for unique hair flair.

Most Likely to Become a Comedian (46:09)

• Josh Allen (Mike, Jenna): Praised for comedic timing and dry wit; parallels to comedic actors like Chris Pratt (47:12–47:25).
• K.J. Hamler, Dion Dawkins: Noted for energy and humor.

Best Person to Share a Deserted Island

• Mac Hollins (Dan, Jenna): Practical skills, positive attitude, and resourcefulness (48:30–49:16).
• Matt Milano: For those preferring a “quiet” island experience; discussed as “the silent assassin” (48:32–52:10).
• Sean McDermott (honorable mention): Would keep everyone fit and organized, but perhaps too intense (49:10–49:19).

Most Likely to Win the Lottery and Lose the Ticket (50:41)

• Keon Coleman (All): Personality matches the absent-minded archetype (50:49–51:03).
• Matt Milano (Jenna): Would intentionally avoid the attention of winning (51:08).
• Isaiah McKenzie (Mike): Classic absent-minded potential (51:14).

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Other Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• On Josh Allen’s humility and self-awareness:

  • "Some people that maybe have played quarterback for colors that are green don't seem to have that level of awareness." – Jenna, referring to contrast with Aaron Rodgers (03:26–03:57)

• On Special Teams Synergy:

  • Discussion of holder Sam Martin’s pride and his confidence as “the best in the league”—emphasizing the importance of the snap-hold-kick relationship (40:39–41:18)

• On Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs (52:38):

  • Mike takes a victory lap after the Eagles’ Super Bowl win, mocking Mahomes’s garbage-time stats:
    • "The most meaningless thing is Patrick Mahomes threw a 50 yard touchdown to Xavier Worthy... after the Eagles had dumped Gatorade on Sirianni... maybe the most garbage time touchdown in the history of the NFL." (54:28)
  • "Go ahead, Chiefs fans... tell me that the Bills lost to him four times. ...I just wanted to get a shot." (55:07)

• On Legendary "Prediction" Bets (55:17)

  • Mike tells an incredible story about a family member's “parlay of the century” (NCAA, NBA, NHL, MLB, and NFL champions, Eagles as the final leg) worth $243 million on a $100 wager (55:17–57:44).

• Listener/Community Shout-Out:

  • Jenna gives a heartfelt update to a pregnant listener (Caitlyn), acknowledging Buffalo Plus’s community and their loyalty and resilience (59:17–59:52).

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Slick Rick’s Reaction (01:04):
  "I just broke down. I broke down because I'm just... I'm just an average person." – Roderick Murrow

• Josh Allen’s Human Side (03:26):
  "It's great to have that self-awareness in all of that..." – Jenna

• On Khalil Shakir’s Growth (18:49):
  "He lived up to the hype and then some." – Jenna

• On Mac Hollins’s Surprise Value (24:06):
  "Mac Hollins is an energy giver... walking into the stadium and his play on the field..." – Jenna

• On Dalton Kincaid’s Struggles (26:19):
  "He hasn't become that matchup nightmare that being in. Everybody told us he would be on draft night..." – Jenna

• On Dion Dawkins’s Role (32:01): "Dion is not only the core guy on that line... he made the Pro Bowl and he’s... a core guy." – Mike

• On Ty Bass's Comeback (37:26):
  "He hung in there, got back up. They brought somebody in. They had enough faith in him..." – Dan

• On Mahomes’s Super Bowl TD (54:28):
  "That is maybe the most garbage time touchdown in the history of the NFL." – Mike

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Segment Timestamps

• 00:55–09:33: Slick Rick, locker room/organizational MVP moments, Josh Allen’s leadership
• 09:33–17:40: Superlative categories, “Most likely to succeed” picks
• 17:40–23:16: Biggest improvement, surprise, and supporting cast analysis
• 23:16–31:55: Discussions: surprises, disappointments, (Dalton Kincaid, Kaiir Elam, Keon Coleman, etc.)
• 31:53–37:16: Offensive, defensive, and special teams players of the year
• 37:16–41:53: Special teams relationship, Bass’s bounceback
• 42:00–52:10: Fun superlatives: president, best hair, best comedian, deserted island picks, more
• 52:38–55:07: Patrick Mahomes/Chiefs post-Super Bowl banter (“credit to me”)
• 55:17–58:42: “Biggest bet” story; betting, hedging, and sweating stories
• 59:17–59:52: Listener shout-out & podcast community appreciation

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Tone & Style

Light-hearted, locker-room banter mixes with real analysis and community spirit. The hosts are unafraid of poking fun at each other, the Bills, and their NFL rivals. Candid, knowledgeable, supportive, and humor-filled—a perfect post-season wrap with inside stories and genuine fan engagement.

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For New Listeners

If you missed the episode, this summary covers the emotional and analytical highlights, from the rise of “Slick Rick” to the inside jokes on Bills locker room personalities, and provides insight into both rookie progress and the resilience required to contend in the NFL. The “fun” superlatives give an entertaining look at how the team (and media) doesn’t take itself too seriously—right in line with the passionate, close-knit Buffalo fanbase.

Transcript

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[Mike Catalana]

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[Dan Fates]

Can I say it because you're gonna say it?

[Mike Catalana]

No, I don't think I am.

[Dan Fates]

Josh Allen had the best hair.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, by far.

[Mike Catalana]

Little too. Too much lettuce at the end.

[Dan Fates]

I am, as you guys well know, I am jealous of hair with everyone.

[Mike Catalana]

I think we all have the same answer for best person to share deserted island with.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, I don't think we do.

[Dan Fates]

You guys, you say yours, Mac Holland.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay, I had Mac. If you wanted to have a really quiet island, you could share it with Milano.

[Dan Fates]

So.

[Roderick Murrow (Slick Rick)]

Even on stage, you know, everything, I was happy that he had wanted. And it went from joyful to crying because when he mentioned my name, I just. I just broke down. I broke down because I'm just. I'm just an average person. I mean, like, I was. Like I said, I hate to say I almost had a heart attack when he said my name.

[Jenna Cottrell]

This is the Buffalo plus podcast brought to you by Connors and Ferris.

[Mike Catalana]

All right, welcome back to the Buffalo plus podcast presented by Connors and Ferris, Mike Catalana, Dan Fates. I am Jenna Cotrell. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share. We always appreciate it. This week we're going to do some Bill superlatives. We're going to talk about some Patrick Mahomes stuff that Mike has to say. Credit to me. We're going to break it all down. We're going to do some fun superlatives. We're going to do some serious superlatives. And of course, we have to start with the actual MVP of the Bills of the NFL. We know first and foremost that is Josh Allen.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah. I mean, it is the thing that has, I think, given people that sense of, okay, season didn't go the end the way you wanted.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Right.

[Dan Fates]

But there was something big. And I know there's controversy. I don't care about any of that controversy. That's like a media on media thing. And some fans and I get why some people are upset. There were multiple Players who could have won the mvp. Josh Allen got it. He could have won it in other years. He did not get it. Yeah, the vote is the vote. He won the vote. Congrats to Josh.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, pretty. Oh, go ahead.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, I agree. It just was. I, I think also what has resonated so much is Mike and I did the video right after it, but it was, it was the speech, I think that also hit home for so many people. And this week we got to meet Slick Rick or we got to see and hear from Slick Rick. And I think that also was just another reason why to me, the video after, when Josh was talking about the kid sent him the video, that was one of those some things are bigger than sports moments that, that, that I really, I think it tugs on everybody's heartstrings in those kind of moments that you're like. And Josh says it best. We've often said, like, we think sometimes so much of these people. They are people, they're just, they're just very good at a sport.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And, and I think Josh puts it all into perspective when he's like, I just play football. It's great to have that self awareness in all of that because some people that maybe have played quarterback for colors that are green don't seem to have that level of awareness.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes. Maybe in the New York City area.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Or in a, or in a mid Midwest market.

[Dan Fates]

Right. So you mean Green Bay and North Jersey.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

So you mean Aaron Rodgers.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I did. I did mean Aaron Rodgers.

[Dan Fates]

I thought when the Bills gave Josh the iPad to watch the kids.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Fates]

I, I'm sitting there going, that was unbelievable. Because he didn't expect any of that. And if people haven't seen it, it's, it's an incredible thing from the kids at the hospital. But then when he watched what they said about him, I just thought that was incredible.

[Mike Catalana]

And he, when he knew some of.

[Dan Fates]

Their names right away, I mean, you know.

[Mike Catalana]

Right, Abby? Yeah. That was really cool.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Shout out Andy Meyer and his bill's. You know, the media staff there from sports entertainment. They did a phenomenal job, by the way.

[Mike Catalana]

They always do.

[Dan Fates]

We are in the building. Not all the time. We are in buildings around the bills.

[Jenna Cottrell]

We are.

[Dan Fates]

Raise your hand to three of you if any of us knew Slick Rick.

[Mike Catalana]

No, no.

[Dan Fates]

Right. So when he mentions that in the speech, I'm like, that's cool. But I had no idea if Slick Rick was a real 19 years old or 112. Like I didn't know anything about the man until that, but it's ended up being awesome.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. So Matt Boves of WKBW did an interview with Slick Rick at the Bills facility. And he, you know, did a great interview. And we got to meet who Slick Rick is, and we put together the story about what he means to Buffalo, what. And what that moment meant to him himself. It was already a special moment as Josh Allen won his first NFL mvp. Allen thanked a lot of people, but for one Buffalo native, the Bills quarterback mentioned him by name.

[Dan Fates]

We got such a great locker room in Buffalo, and it takes everybody from the equipment staff to the training room to the strength staff, to Slick Rick in the mail room.

[Roderick Murrow (Slick Rick)]

I was like, I said, I hate to say I almost had a heart attack.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, that is Slick Rick or Roderick Murrow. He's a Buffalo native who's worked 15 years in the Bill's mailroom.

[Roderick Murrow (Slick Rick)]

And that moment I broke down because I'm just an average person. I mean, but when he mentioned my name, it was like, oh, my God, he just mentioned my name on national television, you know, so it was like I was just crying. I was crying. Then I started getting phone calls from friends and I was crying on the phone to them.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Still.

[Roderick Murrow (Slick Rick)]

Like a dream.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. And believe it or not, this was not the first time Josh has surprised Rick.

[Roderick Murrow (Slick Rick)]

A moment where I walked past Josh in the hallway and he saluted me and said, slick Rick. And then I was like, in a dream. I was like daydreaming, like, why would Josh salute me? And stuff like that. But that's the type of person he is.

[Mike Catalana]

But that also says a lot about the kind of guy morrow is. The 61 year old who takes the bus every day to Orchard Park.

[Roderick Murrow (Slick Rick)]

I love my job and. And I wouldn't work. Want to work anywhere else in the world. I wouldn't. I'm living the dream.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. A dream job where now everybody knows is done by Slick Rick. Yeah. What a guy. Taking the bus from Buffalo to Orchard Park. And he. If you watch the interview that Matt Beauvais, it's posted on WKBW site, the full interview of eight minutes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Friend of Buffalo Plus.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. We really appreciate Matt sending us all that stuff. He just talked about, like, I don't know why he shouted me out. I just do my job. And I think that was really cool.

[Dan Fates]

It was. Every part of it was cool. I couldn't hear enough of him. I just love listening to the man. My favorite part was when he talked about Josh saluting him in the hallway.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

And I could. We've been around Josh, You Know, I could see him doing that.

[Mike Catalana]

Absolutely.

[Dan Fates]

Because we see him in other settings. He does talk to or acknowledge, like, everybody.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

I say everybody moments. He's, like, looking over, sees somebody to all the people that work with the team. Like, he is that guy. I can see him walking down the hallway giving the salute to Slick Rick.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It was also too. It was. It was on ESPN. It was SVP's best thing he saw today. And SVP made the. Made the comparison of the Maya Angelou quote, which I thought, SVP is so damn good at his job.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But he talks about nobody will remember what you said, nobody will remember what you did, but people will remember how you made them feel.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Nothing more embodies that than. Than a salute from Josh Allen. And him saying that one word, you know, the one line of. To Slick Rick in the mailroom, that made that guy's year decade. For what that meant to him was awesome.

[Dan Fates]

And the way you phrase that one was in probably the quiet of a hall. We've all walked down the hallway when somebody's walking the other way.

[Jenna Cottrell]

We have the longest hallway ever at our station.

[Dan Fates]

It's 14.

[Mike Catalana]

It's actually a Runway.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And when you see somebody and you turn the corner and you're like, I got 60 yards. I got. Wait, I left something on my desk, and I turn around.

[Dan Fates]

Do you ever feel like you're the one that the other person cuts down the other hallway?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, absolutely.

[Dan Fates]

Really?

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And if they do, I want to be like, thank you. Yeah, appreciate it.

[Dan Fates]

But I'm thinking one was on national tv. I don't know if anybody asked Josh if he had considered that when he was making the speech. Probably not. Like, I think he just sort of mentioned a bunch of people, because later he did say, oh, there were some people I missed, and I wanted to mention them, and I hope they see this. And the other was in the. You know, like, one's on national tv. One is in the quiet of a hallway, in all likelihood. And both times, just seeing people are seen, like you said, I loved it. I loved every bit of it.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. Very cool. So Josh, obviously the MVP of the bill. So when we do these superlatives, that is. We're not forgetting about number 17, but.

[Dan Fates]

I do have him mentioned in a couple other places.

[Mike Catalana]

I do, too. Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Right. To do this. We've done this, I think, each of the last three years.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It's good content.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Comment in with what you guys think your superlatives would be for players. Or maybe we do another one with more superlatives. And we can kind of update this as we go along, but we could put Josh down for 99 of these superlatives.

[Mike Catalana]

Should I read the categories, just so people know? Sure. All right, so the categories. Most likely to succeed next season, biggest improvement, biggest surprise, Biggest disappointment, Player of the year, offense, Player of the year, Defense, Player of the year, special teams, and then some fun categories. So we have Most likely to be president, Best Hair, Most likely to become a comedian, Best person to share a deserted island with, and Most likely to win the lottery and lose the ticket.

[Dan Fates]

It's a great category. It's a great category. Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay. All right, let's start. Most likely to succeed.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And these are all open kind of to our interpretation of where we go.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Do you want to start first? Michael, you're the G2. You're the world Series champion. World champion.

[Dan Fates]

World Series champion.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Eagles. Okay, so by the way, the comments in the last video were incredible.

[Mike Catalana]

First of all, Victory Lab people talk to themselves. Thank you. I know you guys were trying to shame me.

[Dan Fates]

No, no.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. A little disappointed in the comments.

[Mike Catalana]

You were trying to shame me because we literally sip on this tea.

[Dan Fates]

So my wife says, I talk to myself. I yell at other drivers. I go, that means you're yelling at the driver. That doesn't mean you're talking to yourself.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Correct?

[Dan Fates]

Yes. And I talk a lot, but I was not. I don't.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But great comments.

[Mike Catalana]

You annoy yourself.

[Dan Fates]

No question. All right. Most likely to succeed. I have two of them because I have one for life and I have one for football.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh.

[Dan Fates]

So I'll start with the football one so we can all say our football one, and then I'll. When come back around, I'll say the one for life. I'm saying this, and I don't know if you guys agree with me. I say Greg Russo. I like what Greg Russo did this year. I think it was better than he's been given by some people credit, and that includes one Mr. Dan Fates. I think you think he was okay. I think when you look at the overall year that he had, I think he can take another step. And we all saw how important defensive line play is. I think you got to get Greg Russo some help on that D line, and I think he can be a very impactful player. I mean, he had double the tackles for loss of anybody. He led the team in sacks. He had the most hits by far on. He had 24 quarterback hits. The most besides him was 13. He was the most impactful player on the D line. He plays the run better than anybody on the edge. I'm saying Greg Russo first.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Let me rebuttal this by saying Greg Russo is young, he is still developing and he still could become that.

[Dan Fates]

Right.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I think that when you were the best player on the defensive line, that was a poor defensive line. It's a low bar to clear. And if you're saying he needs somebody to come in like a Miles Garrett, Matt Crosby. Yeah. I mean that means you're not.

[Dan Fates]

No, that's not. I'm just saying is. I don't say yes, everybody will be better if Miles Garrett is on the other side. I think this guy can play in the league.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I think if I'm not disagreeing, I don't think anybody's disagreeing with that.

[Dan Fates]

I am saying is he's not a guy you just move off of. I think he is going to be a long term player for this.

[Mike Catalana]

Do you think then ahead is a breakout season?

[Dan Fates]

Yeah. And I think it will help to get some pressure on the inside. I think it will help to get better players around him. He was, you could say this without a lot of help around him. He had a pretty good year and I think he's got more in him and I'm. I do think he plays the run very well. I just, I think he does. I think he holds the edge very well. I think they need better players to help him.

[Jenna Cottrell]

All right. Okay.

[Dan Fates]

That's fine. If you disagree, Brandon Bean's not going to disagree. No, because Brandon Bean is not going to dis.

[Mike Catalana]

Well, that is true.

[Dan Fates]

I said he had. He had. I said he was going to get double digit sacks. He had eight sacks in the year.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Needs four in the first game.

[Dan Fates]

Still led the team. Led the team in hits. Led the team in every category. You want to say was there any question he was the best defensive lineman.

[Jenna Cottrell]

On a D line that they completely want to overhaul?

[Mike Catalana]

I. You mean most likely to succeed like next year?

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay. I just want to make sure that I.

[Dan Fates]

And I think he still played well. I'm saying is, I think you gotta. I think you gotta.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And I like Greg. Greg's fine. Greg's fine.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay, fine. Okay, go ahead.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I have one on offense and defense. On offense, most like. I think Ray Davis has. Has a real future. I think we still have to figure out what's going to happen with Ty Johnson. I'd love to have Ty Johnson back. But even in the opportunities that Ray had in his first year and they were limited, I saw flashes, I saw big plays. I think that he If Ty gets an opportunity to go elsewhere and the money is too high that you don't want to pay third down back, whatever money it is, I think Ray could fit in there nicely and be a solid, not a drop off really, by any means, in his first year. I thought. I thought he showed those moments where I went, hey, yeah, this is a nice. This is a nice pickup that the Bills got. And he could. He can have some short yardage run. He showed some burst, showed some things in the passing game. I liked it.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, I definitely see the. The flashes that you talk about. Who do you have on defense?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Cole Bishop.

[Mike Catalana]

That's who I had. I think Cole Bishop, because he got mean. He played well when he was in. I think there was some trial by fire, like I think of that Texans game where he got beat over the top. And I think that was a learning moment for him. Him. I think he was able to pick the B brain of Micah Hyde, and I think that's helpful. And I think for a guy that you took in the second round, he got some very valuable playing experience in year one. How can he build off of that in year two? I. I expect him to have the offseason really, like, work on what he needs to, but also have the understanding of what it is like playing in an NFL game, what it is like playing in an AFC championship, and the level of play you need to be at.

[Dan Fates]

Well, it's a couple of things with that he did that injury hurt him beginning of the year, and then he got thrown out there. You mentioned that game. I mean, he hadn't really played a lot, and here he is, given up a big play. And I think most of the time as young players, they don't really know what they need to know. They can be told.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, but you don't know what you don't know.

[Dan Fates]

You know, Terrell Bernard sat and watched and we heard even, like Joe Andreessen saying when he talked to Bernard, Bernard was like, my head was spinning as a rookie. So I think. And the rights. I. I do think they have big hopes for him.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

Because you drafted him a second round and we're talking about revamping this defense. They. They need Cole Bishop to be good.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

Because of where they picked him. So I, I like that pick, too.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I also hope that Cole works out with Dalton, his college room, you know, college teammate. They both get bigger. There were times when, yeah, Cole looked very small out there. And again, it's also, he's.

[Mike Catalana]

He's a. Yeah, he's 22 yeah. You would like to see him? Yeah. Yeah, I. I hear that. All right. Who was your most likely to succeed in life?

[Dan Fates]

Well, it was the guy you just mentioned. It's Ray Davis.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely.

[Dan Fates]

I mean, I love. You know, Jenna did the story. You guys all saw it. It's awesome. With Ray and everything he's been through, and I look at that guy and the way he leads his life.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yep.

[Dan Fates]

When a lot of people would be blaming other people would feel sorry for themselves.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

That guy is. Is awesome to hear.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

And live the life that he lives. Even though he was dealt a atrocious hand in life.

[Mike Catalana]

Truly.

[Dan Fates]

So for him, you root for him. He's gonna. Whatever his career is. That dude's gonna be fine. That's the way I look.

[Mike Catalana]

I love that. That's really good. All right. Biggest improvement. Daniel Khalil.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Shakir. Because I thought, okay, it was a. Was it just a good eight to 10 games at the end of last season? Like, could you spread that sample size out? Could he be that guy? And I was really impressed by what I saw because he. He won't get the number one wide receiver label by any means because of the measurables or things like that. But I think we saw continued growth and the ability to be Josh's go to guy. That's being a number one guy, a guy that you trust the most than anybody.

[Dan Fates]

So don't they need to revamp the wide receiver position at some point?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, but you don't need to worry about him.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, okay. So they shouldn't just get rid of everybody.

[Mike Catalana]

No. Who said that?

[Dan Fates]

I'm just giving him the Greg Russo talk here.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, you had to keep one.

[Dan Fates]

Who you keeping?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Shakira Rousseau?

[Mike Catalana]

No, I. Oh, yeah. That's actually good. Well, it's. I mean, you would keep. You would keep Russo, though, I think.

[Dan Fates]

Well, only because if Josh makes it work with freaking Mack Hollins. Right. So, I mean. Yes. No, Shakir's awesome. I really like him. I think he will get better.

[Jenna Cottrell]

There were other. I don't think there were other players that we were saying penciling them in for. For years, and they underachieved, and we can get to those in a second. But I thought Khalil lived up to the hype and then some about being the guy that Josh can depend on.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Jenna, What I was going to say is I think when we looked at Shakira coming into the year, we thought, okay, high floor, lower ceiling. I think the floor is well established. I think he has shown he can Have a higher ceiling.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I agree.

[Dan Fates]

He made a few plays this year. I was looking back at some highlights. We're going to do that, we think next week. The plays of the year. Man, he made some great plays.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He's a dude.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, he is. All right.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Football player.

[Dan Fates]

You go second.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay. I have James Cook. I just think that he's been. He was phenomenal this season. I think you saw the moments last year where you're like, okay, he seems like. But we talked about all this past season of like the patience, showing some of that physicality, the vision, all of those things. In this season, he kind of put it all together and you saw the results on the field and what he added to this Bills team in general. He was out. He was outstanding. He. He could be my non. Josh Allen MVP and also biggest improvement.

[Dan Fates]

No doubt about it. There aren't that many guys who make Josh Allen like plays he did in the championship game. That was a Josh Allen play. He got in the end zone.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Unbelievable.

[Mike Catalana]

Incredible that the individual effort for that.

[Dan Fates]

Yes. And I thought the other parts sort of went away. Can't. Not catching the ball.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

And holding on to the fall security.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

All those things were great.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

As we saw in the Super Bowl. We've seen and we've talked about it with this team. Physical team need to be physical. I own both sides of the ball. I think that's the way the game needs to be played.

[Mike Catalana]

You're going with an O lineman, Spencer Brown.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yep.

[Dan Fates]

And I thought he went from being. I mean, honestly, he's the kind of player they have needed. He is attitude. Yes. A force out there and it's getting noticed. You know who noticed him? You just saw him in the Super Bowl. Lane Johnson, who's the best right tackle in the league.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

And he's like, I love this Spencer Brown.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

He plays with an anger to him.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

By the way, I wonder if he did have that 24 pack after the game that he told you.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, probably did. I didn't think of that.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah. We just had bourbon and a few.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Michelob Ultras and some pizza. And some pizza. Some Pizza Hut pizza, like.

[Dan Fates]

But I liked what Spencer Brown did and honestly, I think he is.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yep.

[Dan Fates]

He is becoming a just a force on that line.

[Jenna Cottrell]

The Bills resigned Alec Anderson today as we record this Wednesday.

[Mike Catalana]

Yep.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Alec Anderson is in a great slash awful situation. And I mean that in the sense of he has a role notched out for himself as the six lineman, which is great. But the linemen ahead of him are all very Very good. Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

So I think it was a one year deal. Makes sense.

[Mike Catalana]

It was.

[Jenna Cottrell]

You have security because even when Spencer went down, Al, it was Ryan Vandermark that filled in for that Chiefs game at right tackle. So he's kind of. It's a good situation that you have a niche put out for yourself.

[Dan Fates]

Right.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Future career wise, I would see possibly a team wanting to maybe make a move and take a flyer on him. Yeah, I don't know if that's in Buffalo because both tackles are. Are already, you know, locked in, established. But. But it is nice to have that flexibility. So really kind of cool for Alec Anderson. He's another guy that has a ton of attitude, a ton of edge, has. I mean, you see everybody that breaks down. What the Bills did successfully was when they went with the extra alignment and Alec Anderson was a massive, massive part of that. So that was really kind of cool to see.

[Dan Fates]

I attempted to be Dan Fates because Janet was working with me on this. I was trying to say, Alec Anderson will catch a pass.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

So I left it open ended enough, much like you would, that if at any time in his career he catches a pass, it's going to be credit to me. I even mentioned it to him in the locker room one day. He goes, just let, let him know. Let him know I'm ready. I'm great. Just tell Brady I'm ready.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

He's the guy who's going to catch a pass.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Dion's caught one.

[Mike Catalana]

I would say Dion.

[Dan Fates]

Dion's got a couple, right?

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, I know. He's got the Jets. Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, he's going to catch candy. Mark has one. Caught one against the Patriots.

[Dan Fates]

He did, didn't he?

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, that's right.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Dandy caught one. Yeah, that's about it.

[Dan Fates]

But next year, I'm counting on you, Alex. I'm counting it.

[Mike Catalana]

Biggest surprise, positive or negative, I'll go.

[Jenna Cottrell]

All right.

[Mike Catalana]

Mac Hollins.

[Dan Fates]

Yep. That's how I had to.

[Mike Catalana]

Matt Collins. Dude is a baller.

[Dan Fates]

He's a dude.

[Mike Catalana]

He is a dude.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He's a dude.

[Mike Catalana]

And it's someone Josh Allen obviously trusted in big moments throughout the season. And that was something that I don't think any of us could have expected going into. Into this past year.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He was the guy. I think I always remember back, Jenna when we did the Trent Sherfield video when they signed him, and everybody's like, hey, he could do these kind of things. And I remember when Matt Collins signed and I was like, everybody pumped the brakes on this. Like we just went through this with Trent Sherfield. Hey. Like, oh, he could. You know, he could be this wide receiver. He could be this. And he was awesome. Big plays. He brought an attitude. He brought in energy. You know, my college baseball coach always talked about, like, you're either an energy giver or an energy taker.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Mac Hollins is an energy giver walking into the stadium and his play on the field, his play on special teams, I. That's a no brainer for me. I thought that was the biggest surprise positive for the Bills this season.

[Dan Fates]

In addition to knowing how to fold up cables. He's incredible. I use the. Clean the microwave with a little bit of white wine vinegar.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, I need to do that.

[Dan Fates]

It works.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah. Thanks, man.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And he films them all on his iPhone.

[Dan Fates]

Yes, he does.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He's like, I don't have any fancy setup. He's like, I just.

[Dan Fates]

I had Mack down every. Are we all in agreement or you have somebody else?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Well, no, I had negatives, but I didn't want to be. I didn't want to be that guy.

[Dan Fates]

Well, I have another pos.

[Jenna Cottrell]

You don't want to be.

[Mike Catalana]

You are that guy, pal.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, I'm not.

[Dan Fates]

I have another positive surprise is St. Augustine Prep's own Austin Johnson. And here's the reason.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Second in interceptions.

[Dan Fates]

Tied for the team lead in interceptions with two.

[Mike Catalana]

Mike is just hanging on.

[Dan Fates]

Isn't that incredible?

[Mike Catalana]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

First of all, it's like somebody can get the ball. Yeah, but he had two and, you know, I told him he needs to take one to the house. I think he was pretty thrilled to have the first two interceptions of his career.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

You know, rotational guy. We don't know. He was. I think it was a one year deal.

[Mike Catalana]

Are you guys the same high school class?

[Dan Fates]

No, he was two years behind me, but, you know, we were there at the same time.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Excuse me. Three decades behind. There it is.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, Two or three. You can.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, my God.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, it's pretty much three.

[Dan Fates]

Wow.

[Mike Catalana]

Crazy.

[Dan Fates]

Holy.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay.

[Dan Fates]

Okay.

[Mike Catalana]

All right. Do you want to do yours? The negative?

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, no, no. Because it goes into big. It goes into biggest disappointment.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay. Biggest disappointment.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I mean, I have a. I have a couple on here. I'll. My first one, though was we.

[Dan Fates]

We'll all have the same person D. Yeah, Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I mean, we went into this. Sorry, I was had.

[Mike Catalana]

Please take the camera.

[Dan Fates]

Also say this because you're going to mention it. I really do hope he was impacted by his name. Well, the reason I say I hope it. I don't hope that he was injured I'm saying is if that did impact him that much, then, you know, there's the possibility that he comes back healthy and he can be a very impactful player because they need him to be. Yes, they drafted him high. It just was. It was below where he was as a rookie.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

And impact plays were few and far between.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. He hasn't become that matchup nightmare that being in. Everybody told us he would be on draft night. That this. Don't look at this as a tight end. Look at this as a mismatch. Look at this as a wide receiver, a, you know, a Cole Bishop role. He hasn't been any of those things. It doesn't mean that the. The book is out and it's written, and I'm. Nobody here is saying Cole Beast.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, I. I think I knew where you were going.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Did I say Cole Bishop?

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, I knew where you were going. My bad.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But nobody's saying bus. But he just hasn't been that. The basement analogy. You needed things, you needed pieces. I thought Jenna made a perfect analogy about that before. So you just need more out of him.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Credit to me brought in Zach Ertz. I talked about Zach Ertz for two years.

[Jenna Cottrell]

You also drafted Kincaid on your fantasy team.

[Dan Fates]

Yes. I mean, I've drafted him in, like the fourth round. And because I'm playing with a bunch of guys from Jersey, they didn't know anything about Kincaid. I mean, he had a decent year and. Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And again, we always say on the good side that progress is never linear. Like, it's not. It doesn't just happen. You get better and better every exponential year. This is a big year, though, for Kincaid.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

You have to step up.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. I mean, obviously the Bills, Brandon bean and Sean McDermott still believe in him. They did talk about in the off season how they want to see him put on some weight, put on some muscle. But I think everyone in the room is still all in on him. I just think, as you guys said, like, there were high expectations on him this past season. He did not live up to them. So what will he do to reset in the off season and get better and be better and be what this team needs him to be.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And McDermott said that, too, at his end of the year press conference that, like, when a player comes in and has those moments and. And then you just think, oh, he's just going to do this. He's going to double this every year. It's going to get better. So he understands that this happens with some young players again. Book is not out close. Shakir had a very quiet first year, was quiet for eight games through his second year and then kind of has turned into the close Shakira we know. So there is player development still left to be done. We just have to see it on a consistent basis.

[Dan Fates]

Difference with Shakira though is he had a guy in front of him and.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Shakir was a fifth round pick.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, he had a guy in front of him. Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

This guy got basically said, you're the guy.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

And credit to Dawson Knox for being great teammate, accepting everything.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

And then balling out when they needed him to.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, I, I mean I said Dawson Knox, tight end 1. And some people are like, no, no. I'm like, no, I stand by it.

[Dan Fates]

So.

[Jenna Cottrell]

All right, do we have any other ones for biggest disappointment? Because I had.

[Dan Fates]

Go ahead.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, go ahead, K. Oh, yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, I mean, and that's, that's a sad one. Like, like there's no joy in this. Oh, biggest disappointment. Like this is just. We also went into training camp this year being like, hey, this guy is really showing something.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, he had a nice off, like, nice like OTAs, all that stuff.

[Jenna Cottrell]

New secondary coach. They gave him, you know, all these things to try and improve. And we all saw this as like, hey, man, Kyr's making plays at training camp. So it wasn't totally narrative media driven. Like we saw production at training camp going, hey, he's making another play again. He's making another play again. Didn't really get his opportunity. When he did get his spots, nowhere near where he needed to be.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, I think he needs to be somewhere else.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I agree.

[Dan Fates]

By the way. I don't want to be that guy that keeps mentioning the Super Bowl. I want to talk just about scheme. Because they were playing the Chiefs, Eagles played zone entire game. They played man coverage one time. When they went to dime one time and blitzed zero times in the game.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It was. I thought that that couldn't work against Mahomes.

[Dan Fates]

That's what I'm saying. So in terms of the Bill's basic scheme with a nickel guy in the slot, Cooper Dujean and yes. And playing zone, it's. Schemes are great. Marv used to talk about this. He'd say scheme Schmeems. He says it's about blocking tackle and catching and this is what you do and it's fine, you need to. But I'm saying is in terms of like everybody talks about, oh, Kair is made for more man coverage. And I'm not saying you can't do more of that. I'm saying is I think at its core the Bills are still a zone team. It's the way they play and it can work if you got the dudes. It's not about the scheme, it's about the execution of the scheme. So I meant that for Kair.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

That's why I think he'll end up with another team.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Just clear slate and let him go see if he can play.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

It was very fates of you.

[Dan Fates]

I did. I did. I was just make you feel good.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I appreciate it. That's also had Vaughn. I also had. I also had Russo.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, I think you're. I think you're right.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And then I had. I had Keon.

[Dan Fates]

That.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, that's.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And that's. And that again, that's based off bar like. Like expectations of what we thought Keon could be. Ends up with like 20 something catches. He only had three in the postseason. Like you. And you saw flashes.

[Dan Fates]

That was the thing. It's funny, I was looking back at the games and when I looked at that Seattle.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

He made like three dude plays in that game.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Blocked a guy into the bench and forgot about that.

[Dan Fates]

Also learning like what did they say?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yep.

[Dan Fates]

Gotta come back from whatever the injury was. He wasn't the same. So let's give him the off season. He's young at least we saw a few of those moments plays which is, you know, you want to see the birdies and Eagles. Not just all pars like he was. He had the ability to make. He just went up and took the ball a couple of times in that game.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yep.

[Dan Fates]

You just need to see it more often.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. Okay. Player of the year offense Michael Dion Dawkins.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, oh, good one.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Because I think Dion is not only the core guy on that line. It was a very good line this year and he made the Pro bowl and he's. He danced at the honors and he introduced Josh like he did all those things. But if we're going to talk about how this offense played protecting Josh allen with the 14 sacks all year. Deion is a core guy. He's a core. And it's a good offensive line in total. And I'm not saying he was the only guy. I mentioned about Spencer Brown.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

I thought Deion maybe there were moments last year where the play seemed to wobble a little bit. Now I thought he was really good this year.

[Mike Catalana]

All Pro. Should have been.

[Dan Fates]

Well, he's right there.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

I mean that all pro one is tough. It's tough to get that. You Know, just because there's only a couple of guys, but.

[Mike Catalana]

But still, that's that level. Yeah, absolutely.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I like to go back most improve. I'd like to add Connor McGovern into that as well.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Jenna Cottrell]

For taking over Mitch Morris, what he did. And then the start of training camp when they couldn't snap the ball to one another and we had to cover. Hey, there were no fumbled snaps today to him kind of being a big anchor. And whether Deion, obviously, and Spencer, more of the attention. I think some people even forget that David Andrews was another pretty good, you know, right guard and things like that. But the fact matters is that, like, you are the center of that line as the. Hey, there's something. There's breaking news. Right? But, like, you're a. You are in charge of a lot of the protection calls, all of those things. I thought he did a phenomenal job for stepping in for. For the center.

[Dan Fates]

David Andrews has a massive flaw. He likes Chicago deep dish pizza. It's tough.

[Mike Catalana]

I mean, does. Does he like it or is that.

[Dan Fates]

He grew up there? He likes it.

[Mike Catalana]

I mean, he. If he grew up there.

[Dan Fates]

I know, but it's just a big pile of dough with sauce on the top. It's not pizza.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Mike's on one.

[Dan Fates]

Well, we were talking about it in the locker room. The one day he's like, what? How can you guys not like this? I'm like, it's the worst of all. Comment in. Why is it the worst of all pizzas?

[Mike Catalana]

I mean. Yeah, that's fair.

[Jenna Cottrell]

New York, Detroit, Detroit.

[Mike Catalana]

Detroit is Detroit. What other kinds are there other than Chicago?

[Dan Fates]

Well, New York style is in a lot of other places.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, because it's.

[Dan Fates]

It's the best. You know, you just.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It is. It's just fold.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, it's so. Well, unless you were. What was that guy's name? De Blasio, the mayor. He's sitting there with a knife and fork in New York City.

[Mike Catalana]

I have one of my girlfriends eats chicken wings. A fork and knife.

[Jenna Cottrell]

You shouldn't be friends with her.

[Mike Catalana]

I told her. I'm like, that is.

[Dan Fates]

Who is it? Call her out now.

[Mike Catalana]

No, it's. It's preposterous.

[Dan Fates]

No, that's her name.

[Mike Catalana]

It's Molly.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, Molly.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Come on, Molly.

[Dan Fates]

Come on. Knife and fork.

[Mike Catalana]

Seriously, she really. She does. Okay, player. Oh, I had James Cook.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, no doubt.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, I mean, no doubt. He's right there.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I'd also like to nominate Josh Allen. He was pretty good on offense.

[Dan Fates]

I didn't think he did a lot.

[Mike Catalana]

Pretty brave of you. Player of the year defense.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Do we all have the same one again?

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, I think so.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Trail Bernard.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, he's the best player on defense.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It's not just the play that we've talked about. It's what that defense looked like without him on the field. Sometimes he joked around that he's the traffic cop putting everybody in the right position. That is just so massive. And I do like what Bean and McDermott had said about him stepping up the only captain on defense. And when you draft players, you are trying to not just evaluate the talent. And I do want to talk to. To Bean and McDermott about that. When we go to the combine of like it is an imperfect science when you're trying to nail down and project where you think these guys are as 21, 22 year olds and how you see them at the NFL level. But he does talk about like, you want to know the person, the intangibles. And I think they really kind of hit a home run.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

With Bernard out of Baylor, as a guy that like, Baylor's had good moments and I know he played well in whatever the bowl game was, that it was his senior year. I think he was the MVP of that bowl game, but I didn't think they would have gotten this. So Bernard.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

So hats off to them for drafting the person that has developed into this player.

[Dan Fates]

And the play against the Ravens was incredible.

[Mike Catalana]

Huge.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Unbelievable.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah. So no, no doubt the one I wanted to. And it's not about player of the year, but I wanted to ask you guys because I've talked about Milano and wondering if he's going to be back. And I know a lot of you guys, they love Milano and there's a reason to. And I looked at the numbers a little bit and I know it was limited during the year. It was encouraging to see a couple of bigger plays in the playoffs. But my concern next to Bernard is you need to know you can have a dude there next to you for 15, 16, 17 games.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

I think that is the biggest thing going forward. Or is it time? As you look around the league sometimes, especially on defense, they need more athletic players. They need guys who will be on the field. And maybe it's Dorian Williams. The only reason I'm saying that is because you do have a guy on the roster who should be ready to step up.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

And to be there.

[Jenna Cottrell]

So Dorian improved too.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, he did.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Especially in coverage.

[Mike Catalana]

Agree. That'll be something to watch.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

How they approach that. All right. Player of the year. Special Teams.

[Dan Fates]

It sounds kind of funny. I. I say Tyler Bass.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I had Tyler Bass, too.

[Mike Catalana]

Well, he survived Reed Ferguson.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I also had Reed at your.

[Dan Fates]

Dude.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Phenomenal snaps.

[Dan Fates]

Yes, it was.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He had one blocked.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. But still.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Shout out Reed.

[Mike Catalana]

He's the longest tenured Bill.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That is correct.

[Dan Fates]

I give Bass credit that he. He was in the shit there. I mean, it was, you could say, most improved, too. Well, because he. It was most improved from falling down.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

But he hung in there, got back up. They brought somebody in. They had enough faith in him. They'd also paid him to say, let's see if he can get it back. He made the 61 yarder. I think he's just got a. You know, it's. It's. You see it. It's funny. I was watching Elliot for the Eagles, who went through similar stuff that Bass did.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

And then he sort of got his act together, and both of them were perfect in the playoffs, which was kind of funny after the struggles.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

But when you have seen a guy succeed, it's a lot easier to go. We've seen this with the guy. He's not old. He's just going through a slump.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

And so the hope is he's okay because that's a position you don't want to. I don't know if there was really anybody else.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I mean, Matt Collins made a couple of plays.

[Dan Fates]

Of course he did.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But I also.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. I had Mac.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. To me, it was also the. For even Tyler's misses, it never cost them a game.

[Dan Fates]

Right.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I know that sounds weird, but. Because, like, he did have missed extra points and you left points of the board. But I believe week one, he had the kick to tie it.

[Dan Fates]

Yes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Late before they went into overtime.

[Dan Fates]

Wasn't he perfect? Over 50 this year, too.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

That's good.

[Jenna Cottrell]

So I liked that upside of like, hey, Tyler never lost them a game and he won them a game, so.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

With 61 yarder.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Also like McDermott having the confidence in him.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

McDermott gets fired up when he, like, after that game, you know, talked about the mentality, the mindset that Bass had to be in and that he's like. I had total faith that he goes. I wasn't just having him go out there to attempt it. I was having him to go out there and make it like that. Like when he talks like that and he doesn't generalize. All the kickers in the building, you know. You know that. That was a pretty big one. He.

[Dan Fates]

He loves the guys who show the mental toughness. And if you're a kicker, you better show it.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Because you are all alone. I know he has Reed, right. And he's got Martin holding, but it's really on that guy. And he, you know, he doesn't have somebody else to block and catch and all. It's just. It's him. And he did. I was. I was impressed the way he fought back.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Also, I think some of the reasons, too, that they always talk about with that special teams unit, and I know we've talked about it before with winning the punching competition and stuff like that. I know they've brought in another. They signed a punter to a futures contract, things like that. The holding part is a massive relationship in there. You're talking about being alone. I remember having the discussion with Sam Martin after Reed lost one of the balls. The balls went into the kicking ball went in the stands. Reed had this whole discussion. He sent out a PSA on social media about, like, we need those balls back. And I remember I got talking to Sam about it because he kind of said too, about the. What it's like for him, even punting and Tyler kicking, things like that. Sam's pretty confident that he's the best holder in the league. And when I was like, oh, really? And he's like, it's not even close.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Like. And so that also goes into success. So when you think about, like, oh, I want to change this, I want to change that. Like, that relationship is. Is golfer caddy like it is. It is a very tight pond. And Sam Martin was saying he's. He was very confident saying, I'm the best holder in the league.

[Mike Catalana]

And it's not close, but it does matter.

[Dan Fates]

It does. It means a lot. But at the point they're going to cut the kicker if they have to, that's where the reason I said, of.

[Mike Catalana]

Course, yeah, but I see.

[Dan Fates]

Unless the holder is a mess, it's going to go on. The only reason I brought that up was because, you know, at that point, Tyler, you got to make the kick, whatever it is.

[Jenna Cottrell]

My point is, like, when you talk about moving on from a punter, like, oh, just move on from.

[Dan Fates]

No, you're right.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It's like, hey, by the way, like, punting is 40, you know, 55% of his job. But the holding part is directly related to points.

[Dan Fates]

Years ago in football, the holder was almost always the quarterback in sometimes a starter. Do you remember the Tony Romo one?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Dallas in the playoffs where he dropped the ball and they tried to run it in and if you think about. I think it's what's made kickers even better, obviously, practice and training and everything. But they get that holder with them all the time. They constantly can work at it. So that was good.

[Mike Catalana]

All right, let's do the fun categories. Most likely to be president.

[Dan Fates]

Can I just go through my list?

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Of what all go through your list? Go through your list.

[Dan Fates]

My list of presidents. So why they would or they wouldn't. So I would say Mac would be fascinating in the debates. That's what I would want to see. Yes, he would.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I did not have Mac on my debates. A little worried.

[Dan Fates]

And I would say, okay, Vaughn has the ego to run.

[Mike Catalana]

I had. I had Vaughn.

[Dan Fates]

He would tell everybody I'm 14 years in the NFL. Yes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, that would be good.

[Dan Fates]

Josh too nice to be president.

[Mike Catalana]

I had Josh on there, too. I wonder.

[Dan Fates]

Too nice.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. I think he wouldn't want.

[Dan Fates]

You got to be a bit of an ass to be anybody to be president.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He doesn't have the ego.

[Dan Fates]

Terrell Bernard. Too smart to be president.

[Mike Catalana]

I had Terrell Bernard. I'm saying I had those. I had who I would want to be president.

[Dan Fates]

I had the guy that I think would run and would think he could win. And I might tell you he might have a chance. Spencer Brown.

[Mike Catalana]

No.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

I don't know. I don't see that. Oh, Actually, like, maybe politic. Yeah, I could actually see that.

[Dan Fates]

I think he would be very resolute in his thoughts.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, that's fair.

[Dan Fates]

And he can rile some people up. Bring out the 24 pack.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I have. I have the two correct answers.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, excuse me.

[Jenna Cottrell]

So I have the. The president and the vp.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay. Oh, wow.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And this just. This helps my case because I was going through the list. The president is Micah Hyde.

[Mike Catalana]

I would want him. Yeah, right. Yes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And his vp, Dawson Knox.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, that. That's like. Yeah. I would vote for that ticket. Those are like. Like. Yeah. Thoughtful.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Nice.

[Dan Fates]

They're too nice.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

You have to be a bit of an ass to be the president.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Micah has an edge.

[Dan Fates]

No, he doesn't.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Dan Fates]

He is nice.

[Mike Catalana]

You're grasping at straws. Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Now tell me you. I would feel good about it. And then. But I'd be like, are you sitting there with Putin? Come on, Micah. Micah.

[Mike Catalana]

Be like. Hey.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I was like, putin would look in his eyes.

[Mike Catalana]

Then if that's the case, Ray Davis.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I was gonna say, make up your own categories. I had best eyes. It was Ray Davis.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. All right. Best hair.

[Dan Fates]

Can I say it because you're gonna say it.

[Mike Catalana]

No, I don't think I am.

[Dan Fates]

Josh Allen had the best year.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, by far.

[Mike Catalana]

A little too. Too much lettuce, maybe at the end.

[Dan Fates]

I am. As you guys well know, I am jealous of hair with everyone. Two people I had on the list for very different reasons. Josh Allen and Ty Johnson.

[Mike Catalana]

I had Ty Johnson. I love Ty Johnson.

[Dan Fates]

I don't know how it fits, but I just look at it and I just go.

[Mike Catalana]

Even Matt Collins.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, Matt Collins. Tons of different styles.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. He'd braid it. Yeah. He'd leave it out.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

A lot of lettuce. Like, Dawson's got a lot of lettuce.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I think Josh. Josh came up out of nowhere. We did not expect.

[Dan Fates]

Haley had a lot to do with that.

[Jenna Cottrell]

The first training camp day when he took his helmet off into the.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, the swoosh. When does it get cut?

[Mike Catalana]

I was thinking that obviously for NFL honors, it was still long. I don't know when the wedding is.

[Dan Fates]

This is influenced by the wedding. Yes. But the long hair is influenced by Haley. No doubt.

[Mike Catalana]

Absolutely.

[Dan Fates]

She likes.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It's a great. It's.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. I mean, he's got great.

[Jenna Cottrell]

By the way, that's. That's high school, Dan. That's hockey flow.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, my God. Oh, I can't even imagine you in college.

[Jenna Cottrell]

My dad used to call it the wings because you.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And you'd have just the wings. Perfect. You'd get out of the shower, and you'd kind of curl them. That was it.

[Mike Catalana]

That is quite a look.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. Josh has got. He had the perfect amount even for hockey guys to understand. Just out the back of the helmet was. It was good hair.

[Mike Catalana]

At the end of the season, it was pretty long.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It looked good at the honors.

[Mike Catalana]

It looked great at the honors. But, like, sometimes playing football just looked like he would have. You know, you could just see the, like, little, like, end bangs out the back. Okay, who did you have? I had Ty Johnson.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, okay. All right. Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

And I said Matt Collins, too.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Also had gray hair. Most likely to become a comedian. I had Josh Allen.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Josh Allen's also on there for me.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

So comedians. It helps.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Mike's. Your phone's talking to you.

[Mike Catalana]

You butt dialed Dan.

[Dan Fates]

I did, because I was. I butt dialed you because I was looking up. The great picture we have.

[Mike Catalana]

I have of Mike is infamous at butt dialing.

[Dan Fates]

Yes. So you have a message there that says, what do you have for comedian?

[Mike Catalana]

That's actually on our aura frame.

[Dan Fates]

It's so good. It's so good.

[Mike Catalana]

The Fredonia Blue Devils.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, the Fredonia Blue Devil 1.

[Dan Fates]

So good.

[Mike Catalana]

That's perfect.

[Dan Fates]

So comedians are funnier when they have something about the look, right?

[Mike Catalana]

What do you mean?

[Dan Fates]

You know, like, most of them are so good. I think Dion.

[Mike Catalana]

Dion's got great hair. Look at Dan.

[Dan Fates]

No, I was talking. Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, yeah, sorry.

[Dan Fates]

Dion as a comedian, I could see that. I could see him doing a whole set. He may be. He'll laugh at it too. He'll be laughing at his own set. Josh is. I think Josh is a comedic actor.

[Mike Catalana]

Like Chris Pratt in Parks and recognizable.

[Dan Fates]

Those parts.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Fates]

He could walk in there now and do that. He's done them already for the bills. But stand up comic is got to have a certain.

[Mike Catalana]

Well, I didn't say stand up. I said comedian can be interpreted how you want.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Comedic actor Josh Allen.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I. I had K.J. hamler.

[Mike Catalana]

I was. I was literally in my head, I was like.

[Dan Fates]

I was thinking of funny.

[Jenna Cottrell]

His. The gift that I have of him when Doc. When Oz was there. And he's just. Yeah, so he's got good timing or comedic timing. Whenever we talk to him at training camp, he had the energy. His energy would be off the charts for a comedian. Yes. Josh would be like the Nate Bargetsi. Like the. The timing, the dryness. He. He looks.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, he would. He. He should be. If they redo the office or Parks, I love Parks. He could do. He could get a part.

[Mike Catalana]

When Josh did the Pit.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, my gosh.

[Mike Catalana]

And he was. Andy. So good.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It was really good.

[Mike Catalana]

Fantastic. I think we all have the same answer for best person to share a deserted island with.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, I don't think we do.

[Dan Fates]

You guys, you say yours, Mack Holland. Okay.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I had Mac. If you wanted to have a really quiet island, could share it with Milano.

[Dan Fates]

So.

[Jenna Cottrell]

If you wanted to just have peace.

[Mike Catalana]

You already have so much silence, though.

[Dan Fates]

You said that. What I wrote down was for me, I wrote down three different people who could be on the island with me because then I could just talk all the time. It was Milano, Benford, and Cook. Then those guys, I could just.

[Mike Catalana]

They would. Might hurt you.

[Dan Fates]

They probably would. But I was thinking, yeah, just be quiet. I have a lot to say.

[Mike Catalana]

Honorable mention Sean McDermott. I feel like he would figure out some way to, like, wrestle, Right?

[Dan Fates]

He might get you off the island.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, I'm trying to get off the island.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I want no part of McDermott on island with.

[Dan Fates]

He'd be having you do sit ups and push ups in the morning.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. But you'd be like, well trained to, like, swim to the other island to get help.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, I don't want any part of.

[Mike Catalana]

Me and Matt Collins, you know, is like, oh, I can fashion.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

Well, you guys don't know Gilligan's Island. He'd be like, the professor building.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Like, yes, yeah.

[Dan Fates]

The boat to get him off. Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

By the way, they never figured that out, so.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But I had. I had Milano if you wanted. Just a nice quiet time.

[Mike Catalana]

Tranquil.

[Dan Fates]

That's why I went with three of the quieter guys on the team.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

They would be like, get me.

[Dan Fates]

But it might help me get off the island.

[Mike Catalana]

Could you imagine if we all were stuck on an island?

[Dan Fates]

Oh, my God.

[Mike Catalana]

The podcasting, though, would be fire.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, the.

[Jenna Cottrell]

The. Our car ride up to Buffalo sometimes is worse. We're stranded on the island.

[Mike Catalana]

Who did you have? Who else other than Milano?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Mac.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah. Mac in general.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Just because I also for president, too. Another guy we could. Could have mentioned, Taron Johnson.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. I don't see him wanting to be president, but he would be a great president.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That should be a disqualifier. If you want to be president, you should not be allowed to run.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Your president should be something that you're elected to be. Like, hey, it's your turn.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, that's.

[Dan Fates]

I'm waiting. I'm telling you.

[Mike Catalana]

All right. Most likely to win the lottery and lose the ticket.

[Dan Fates]

There's one answer here.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I think so. I have a second.

[Mike Catalana]

But it's more of a. I have. I have a second too.

[Jenna Cottrell]

1, 2, 3.

[Dan Fates]

Keon.

[Mike Catalana]

Yep.

[Dan Fates]

And then he'd be like, hey, I'm cool. I don't spend a lot of money.

[Mike Catalana]

We got my Macy's jacket.

[Dan Fates]

I got my jacket. But he would be that guy. Be like, yeah, I had it somewhere. Yeah, there's no doubt.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I also had Milano might win it and then just choose not to turn it.

[Mike Catalana]

I could definitely.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Well, I was like, I don't want that publicity or any. I can definitely see that somebody else take this ticket.

[Mike Catalana]

I was thinking honorable mention. Isaiah McKenzie.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah. Just to come back.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It's so funny because in my head, I could twist a lot of these answers into Matt Milano because we have no idea what he's like.

[Mike Catalana]

I would never twist these into Matt Milano because I have no idea what he's like.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Right. But you could be like, he'd be the funniest comedian. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe his, like, one liners, like Mitch Hedberg would just be like, hysterical.

[Dan Fates]

The best line was McDermott when he said. Somebody said how much he talks little. He talks to us. And McDermott said, He talks just a.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Little bit more to me. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Fates]

He isn't.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And then it was when Elena Getzenberg and Katherine Fitzgerald did a. They asked him like 20 questions. They timed the interview. It was like 3 minutes and 23 seconds. His average answer per question was like 4.

[Mike Catalana]

4 words.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I feel like maybe. That's unbelievable.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He's just a man of mystery.

[Mike Catalana]

Silent assassin.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. No.

[Dan Fates]

Michael could never be on that island. See, I think I would motivate them.

[Mike Catalana]

No.

[Dan Fates]

To get off the island.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

Thinking ahead, the guy just keeps talking.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But the problem is they would leave you on the island. They might actually hell away from this guy.

[Dan Fates]

Somebody might kill me.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. Like finally. Silence. Okay. Oh, do we have anything else you.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Want to make fun of my homes?

[Dan Fates]

Okay.

[Jenna Cottrell]

The reason I said before this Mike goes, you guys gotta set me up so I can diss on my home.

[Dan Fates]

Well, this was gonna be.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That was my setup.

[Dan Fates]

This was gonna be my credit to me so I can do it as my.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay, we'll do credit to me.

[Dan Fates]

It was only like the last time, and you guys know the last time the Eagles won the super bowl, it was like those signs in a. In a business that say how many days without an accident. It was how many days in a row that I didn't.

[Mike Catalana]

Did I not mention about the Eagles? Okay, first of all, real talk, we actually had on our whiteboard in the office, we had a countdown and it was constantly being reset to zero.

[Dan Fates]

Right.

[Mike Catalana]

Because Michael would always mention this.

[Dan Fates]

You know, it. It's just different. And I feel more because of the Bills. I feel more as a slight on the Chiefs preface here, because Chiefs fans get the most butthurt about everything. I have to. They come after you for everything in the world. Awesome, legendary team. Five Super Bowls in six years. Beat the Bills. I know. They beat the Bills four years in a row. I was there for all those games. So were these guys. We know. Right? This is the way it goes. But the super bowl was a beat down and their offense was historically bad in the game. Historically bad?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

Like the worst first nine or ten drives of a game of any quarterback and any offense in the NFL for the entire year. And the yards that they got in the game were so meaningless. I said to you guys, the most meaningless thing is Patrick Mahomes threw a 50 yard touchdown to Xavier Worthy that we all know after the Eagles had dumped Gatorade on Sirianni. When you Talk. That is the ultimate.

[Mike Catalana]

Pretty good.

[Dan Fates]

Ultimate garbage time. That is maybe the most garbage time touchdown in the history of the NFL.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

They have already dumped Gatorade on a guy and your starting quarterback is throwing a 50 yard bomb. He deserves the right to be on the field. I'm just saying to you it was, you know, for a great, great team and a great player. It was an embarrassing day throwing them 50 yard bombs after you gotten your ass kicked in the whole day. Yeah, I just enjoyed that. So go ahead, Chiefs fans. Tell me that the Bills lost to him four times. Tell me you've won all these titles. I know. We all know that. I just wanted to get a shot.

[Jenna Cottrell]

And so well done.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, go ahead. Or do you want me to go?

[Jenna Cottrell]

You go.

[Mike Catalana]

Do you have one credit to me? Familia? No.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, this is awesome.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, one of my. Should I say. No, I'll just say in general. Yeah. A family member. Not my immediate family, unfortunately, but one of my cousins, which maybe cousins, I don't know. They won a parlay. And let me tell you, the parlay, because it's, It's.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It's insane, puts Uncle Dan to shame.

[Mike Catalana]

So Uncle Dan could never.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No.

[Mike Catalana]

So he picked the NCAA men's basketball champion of Yukon. Parlayed that with the NBA champion, the Boston Celtics winning. Parlayed that with the NHL champs Florida Panthers. Parlayed that with the Dodgers winning the World Series. And the final leg was the Philadelphia Eagles winning the super bowl outright.

[Dan Fates]

Now you would know this, Dan. Well, first of all, go ahead and.

[Mike Catalana]

Say that payout was $243,000,000 on a $100 bet.

[Dan Fates]

Now, for those of you who. And. And I'm not even 100% sure of this, that parlay is made at one time.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Correct.

[Dan Fates]

So he had to make this bet last March probably, right?

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Because it was before the NCAA when the Eagles sucked. It was coming off the off season. Now you could say the Dodgers, Yukon and the Dodgers. Okay.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

NHL is a crapshoot.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. To get the fly game seven of that one too.

[Dan Fates]

And look, the Celtics were really good, so he had a couple of favorites. But to pick them and then the Eagles to win the super bowl coming off that year, they had. If he would have had the Chiefs, it would have been understandable because they had won two in a row. And you're like, okay, I'm going to take the shot at it. The numbers were off the charts. That is highly impro. How much are you getting out of that?

[Mike Catalana]

None. No, but I can't can you imagine sweating that out, though, the night before the game? Would you have cashed out? I think the cash out was like 40 grand.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No, not for 40. You'd have to. No, I'm just. No, I'm just saying, like, it's to win a quarter of a million. So 40 is not enough that I would have cashed out. I wouldn't have. I would have probably hedged it the other way.

[Dan Fates]

How much did you hedge here? Like 50 grand. How do you bet 50, by the way. How do you bet? Do you need to have.

[Jenna Cottrell]

You need it. You would need to have somebody that could front you that to put into your account. That's what people always say. Like, to actually hedge it where it makes sense. Where. Excuse me. Either way, you'd make like a hundred. You would need somebody to front you 50, right? To bet it up.

[Dan Fates]

You lose the whole 50. When you win the 2:40, then you pay tax on that.

[Jenna Cottrell]

The best thing about that bet was. Got to be that he knew it in the second quarter.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Like you. You knew.

[Dan Fates]

So you mean he wasn't worried when Mahomes threw that last touchdown? I got him in there again.

[Jenna Cottrell]

No.

[Dan Fates]

Bang.

[Mike Catalana]

I just can't even imagine that.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Mike Catalana]

Very exciting.

[Dan Fates]

Good for him. Yeah, good for him.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. I mean, very cool. But, like, I'm gonna try to get some juju for him to pick the Bills. See, at the wedding, maybe.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Fates]

It's got a lot of extra.

[Mike Catalana]

That's not what this is about.

[Dan Fates]

I'd be thinking that maybe he got.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Some tips from Buffalo.

[Dan Fates]

Plus, I might be looking at that. Be waiting for that gift to go on.

[Mike Catalana]

He did ask me because he's not like a huge, huge, huge football fan. And I was like, you know, the Eagles roster is better, but the Chiefs, like, if it's close. The Chiefs really know how to win close games. It was never close.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, it was not close.

[Dan Fates]

Damn good for him.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Credit to a fellow Buffalo plus subscriber. Our a friend of my family, Caitlyn. She's expecting. We actually met them at the Thirsty Turtle, her and her husband Basil. Basil's a big fan of Uncle Dan's best bets. Caitlin's in the hospital right now. She's expecting her first child. It is very early, so she's kind of on bed rest. So kind of tough for her. Everybody's healthy, but they are just being precautionary. So our thoughts, prayers, credit to her for being on bed rest.

[Dan Fates]

Right.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That has got to be very difficult. Credit to all women in the childbirthing process. Moms are superheroes.

[Mike Catalana]

Correct.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But my wife and Renee was saying, she goes, you should maybe, you know, give Caitlin a shout out on the podcast.

[Dan Fates]

Absolutely.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Whenever we do a video or something like that, Caitlyn always comments in text me, things like that. So we're thinking of you, Caitlyn. Really appreciate that.

[Dan Fates]

And we appreciate you bringing in another Buffalo plus subscriber.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

So that'd be nice. Thanks.

[Mike Catalana]

Like, comment, subscribe.

[Jenna Cottrell]

So we're just thinking about her. So credit to you, Caitlyn, as you go through this. So. And all the best positive well wishes and prayers.

[Mike Catalana]

So, yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Nice.

[Mike Catalana]

Sending good vibes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

All right, cool. That was let us know in the comments what you think about for in terms of the superlatives you had, even the funny ones. We want to hear from everyone.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Because there were some, there were some good options this year.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, there was.

[Mike Catalana]

So there's that.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

All right. For my Catalana and Dan Fates, I'm Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share. We appreciate it. We will catch you next time here on the Buffalo plus channel, presented by Connors and Ferris.