B (3:00)

Well, I, I agree with you. I just think that it was like when Sean McDermott was first, you know, introduced to the team and his press conferences. It's the off season, it's light, it's fun. Your first time meeting the media. I expect that to change. Like, I expect to see a more Dable approach in terms of Sean McDermott approach in terms of. Once we get into the season, things kind of heat up. Maybe there's some controversy, some things not going right for the first time. Meeting him, though, I was just struck by. Yeah, he, he does have that, like, goofy side that like, you see with.

C (3:33)

Josh with like miked up stuff like, like that kind of where, where obviously they spent a lot of time in the room together and, and what was it, Jenna, was the best thing about the. He made the Talladega Nights comment.

B (3:42)

Yeah, like, I don't know what to do with my hands. Yeah, we, we asked what it's been like in terms of just like progressing from being QB coach to taking over this entire offense. And he was joking, like, I don't know what to do with my hands. And what he meant by that is just like when he's on the field for OTAs and the team is getting into the work, normally he would be with the quarterback, so he knew where to stand, but he's like kind of walking around, not really sure exactly where to go. He'll figure it out. Not worried about that. But yeah, I was just. That is something that Josh Allen would do. Josh would quote Talladega Nights.

A (4:14)

Yeah.

C (4:14)

Yeah.

A (4:15)

You know, the other part about it is it highlights what the job is. And there have been times because of who the Bills are and because of who Josh Allen is, that it. It almost felt like the offensive coordinator was the Josh Allen coach. And Brian Dable was so tied to Josh. And it made sense, right, because the offense runs through Josh Allen. But you do realize he coaches the entire offense. And while the position coaches have an immense impact, you know, like Chad hall with the wide receivers, it's still your job to be the coach of the overall team. And I just think about the fact that he's been with Josh in that role really changes the dynamic because he's been Josh's personal coach there as the quarterback's coach, and now he's got, and I don't mean step away in a bad way, but all of a sudden it's like, hey, you know, Ken realizes I, I have this whole offense. I'm dealing with Aaron Cromer now, who brings his own set of things that he wants to do as a, as an offensive line coach, a former offensive coordinator. You know, how much of the things that were super successful that day Ball did, do I continue? What kind of spins do I put on those things? And, and then Dan, the other part is it's the adjustment to the change in personnel and, you know, that is incorporating Cook, you know, a larger role for Gabe Davis. All those kind of things that I think are going to be an evolution as the season goes on.

C (5:42)

Going back to your Go ahead, Jenna.

B (5:44)

No, I think that brought up the point I wanted to talk about about just the trust that Allen and him have because he came to the Bills when Allen was into his second season, going into a second season. So obviously there's been a tremendous amount of growth and then just jumping off of that. I think Ken Dorsey, listening to him yesterday, is very cognizant of the fact that he has so many experienced coaches below him. And I talking with Mitch Morris and Gabe Davis and some of the players yesterday, they mentioned how, you know, Dorsey is using and leaning on that experience so much instead of trying to make it his own way. Like, he understands what works, what has worked for the team in general, and then specifically how they can kind of rely on what they've already done so successfully and the, you know, the veteran leadership that's been in those coaching positions to kind of steer him through which there will be parts that are a little bit uncomfortable and all those things.

C (6:42)

It's been no secret that we are a Brian Dable podcast. As I have said before, I love him more and respect him more than some members of my family. Like, that's just how much I think of Brian Dable. And I know there's so many people in the comments, even going off last one saying like Dable wasn't That great. Like Dorsey's gonna be great. Like, like almost like there, there aren't that big of shoes to fill. And, and I like that, I like that Dorsey I think understands the magnitude of like the last guy didn't get fired. Yeah, last guy got hired to be a head coach. Like, like this wasn't like oh few like good. The guy's gone. Nobody wants him. He's now an offensive line coach in Jacksonville. Like, no, like he, he's a head coach of a, of an entire football team. And I think what also and I've been hesitant at times and I'm not going to back away from that. Just saying that like I am skeptical about Dorsey but Dorsey's also had a successful quarterback's coaching career before he came to Buffalo. Like, like he helped Cam Newton one of his best seasons. He's been around MVP caliber quarterbacks. I think that's another thing that sometimes I forget where I'm like, well it's Ken Dorsey. Yeah, he was a more of the winningest college coaches. And then it's like, well he probably just came here. It's like, oh no, no, no. He was, he's pretty good in Carolina. Like, like they were pretty lucky to get him to come here. And, and so I think that's another thing where you can rely on this isn't his like first promotion? Like yeah, it was maybe a lateral move but you also got to go and, and work with, going from Cam Newton to now being with Josh Allen, a young Josh Allen before Josh Allen was this Josh Allen and getting to work with him to both your guys point that like that relationship that is is going to be better the more I, I, I kind of calm down about like he's never called plays before. Oh my gosh. And it's like, all right. Yeah, I think, okay, the time still needs to be held. Yeah, time will tell.

A (8:29)

Two things. And I believe I'm using this phrase correctly, but I always ask you guys based on the fact that I might have a little more experience than you two. But, but I believe Doug Marone caught a stray there from you, Dan, Is that correct?

C (8:44)

That is very correct, Mike.

A (8:46)

Offensive line coach in Jacksonville is beautiful.

C (8:50)

It was so good.

A (8:53)

Yeah. When I do, I'm always like, like peeking over am I going to jump into the pool here? And I just want to look around, make sure it's okay before I do. But the second thing is I'm not as concerned about him calling plays. I'm concerned about Ken Dorsey being enough of a hard ass to be this coordinator.

B (9:09)

See, I thought the same thing. But talking with the players yesterday, I asked Gabe Davis because I was like, we know so much about Brian Dable's personality. And he jumped my question. It was like, Ken Dorsey is one of the most fiery competitors and that's good. And he said, that's good. Yeah, because Ken Dorsey was saying, he's like, I don't know if I'm going to call plays up in the box. I don't know if I'm going to be on the field. Obviously, Brian Dable used to call plays from the booth, so different kind of situation. And Gabe Davis was like, no, he needs to be up in the box because. Because of who he is and how fiery he gets and all this stuff. And even Mitch Morris talked about the fact that he is a super competitive guy, which obviously reminds me also of Allan, but the fact that, like, I don't want to. He basically said, like, you see God, if Dorsey's mad at you, like, like, it was about around. That's like a roundabout way of saying what he said. But I was shocked by that because I guess we haven't seen that side of him.

A (10:06)

You're right. And I. I think that's an. A very good trait to have. Let's start with D being on the sidelines to start because he was holding Josh's hands and sometimes he jumped him. I mean, we're going to do your draft of being on the sidelines. You guys have seen it up close back when Josh was first the guy. And I think that evolution to going upstairs. Josh didn't need his handheld. And if he did, he had his quarterbacks coach. Correct. Well, now there are going to be moments, hey, we saw it with Tom Brady and Josh McDaniels where they're screaming on the sidelines. Five Super bowl championships in, and it happens. And I'm not saying that means he needs to scream at him, but Brian D. Had the personality and the resume and time in the league and who he worked for. Yep. We know last year he was in it with Sean McDermott. Okay. So. And I think that necessarily, I think that is a. A positive thing for a team, and it might have been what sort of led to this. That's the only thing I'm saying is because he hasn't been in that spot, and Jenna's right. I think it's great if he has that personality.

B (11:11)

Yeah.

A (11:12)

But he hasn't been in this spot yet. All in the place.

B (11:16)

But I think that's where that trust comes in so huge because if there is that disagreement, Alan trusts Dorsey. Yeah, but, but it's from the outside to, to make those decisions.

C (11:28)

But I think to Mike's point, it's not about Allen trusting or not trusting. It's if Dorsey has the, this is going to come across crude the balls to, to, to stand Josh up. Whether it's light Josh up or almost not light McDermott up. But like, no, no, no, no, we're doing this. Like, like we're doing this. This is my call. This is my offense. We're doing this. And that only comes with time. That only comes with being in the foxhole and getting out there and, and making the right call that, that grows. And that's where again, people can criticize D for some of his play calls. But more often than not D called the right plays because they averaged, they were top three scoring offenses over the last two years.

B (12:12)

So yeah, I, I, I mean I definitely see what you're talking about and, and time really will tell. But I think even talking again with Gabe Davis yesterday, like Ken Dorsey was such a great quarterback at Miami, like he wants to pass the ball. That's where he comes from. Actually, Ken Dorsey actually jumped in during some of the drills and was throwing the ball out there at, on Tuesday. But I, I just think I still.

C (12:36)

Ken Dorsey, 9ft tall and weighs like 80, 84 pounds.

B (12:40)

So funny because like Dable next to Ken Dorsey, just the number 10. Yeah, number.

C (12:48)

He looks like, he looks like he's on stilts. Ken Dorsey's looks so tall and he.

A (12:53)

Was a heck of a quarterback. And if you think about it at the U. The quarterback at the U. Yeah, he's the quarterback with the cocky, you know.

C (13:03)

High flying Frank Gore.

A (13:08)

No, I, I believe Frank Gore played with Sonny Jurgeson. No, I mean, I'm thinking how far back?

C (13:17)

Michael Irvin.

A (13:17)

What's Ken dorsey? He's probably 40.

C (13:21)

This is good podcasting.

B (13:23)

43.

A (13:24)

43. Okay, so.

B (13:25)

Oh, he's 41. He's 40.

A (13:26)

Okay, 41.

B (13:28)

Frank Gore.

A (13:29)

Frank Gore's 45.

B (13:34)

He's 39.

A (13:35)

So wait a minute. He keeps getting younger.

B (13:38)

He's 39.

A (13:40)

Yeah. So he might play with Franklin.

C (13:42)

Wait, they also played together in San Fran.

A (13:46)

Yeah.

C (13:48)

That's crazy.

A (13:49)

Yeah.

C (13:50)

Dorsey and Gore were in San Fran together.

A (13:53)

Yeah, Well, I mean, he's, he's definitely confirmed.

C (13:57)

They were on the team in 2001.

B (14:00)

Wow.

A (14:00)

Sweet.

C (14:01)

Along with Clinton Portis. How about that team? Yeah, and Willis McGahey.

A (14:07)

But, but you know, he was, I mean he was a great, great college quarterback. Again, that doesn't necessarily mean, you know, that. I mean, it helps, I think, to play a position he's in some ways. But, you know, there's been a lot of really good coordinators that weren't pro football players or college. Great college players. But no, a Dorsey comes at it differently. I just want to see. And again, it's not like Josh needs a lot of that, but I don't think Josh backs away from criticism. I don't think he backs away from coaching. But what have we heard about him? He's the first to criticize himself.

B (14:44)

Yeah.

A (14:44)

So. So that helps a little bit. You're not getting. You're not getting Carson Wentz here, who's afraid to hear anything bad. Yeah. You're getting a guy who knows it before you tell him. But there's going to be moments, I think.

C (14:56)

All right, last two names off this 2001 Miami Hurricanes team, because this is incredible. Kellen Winslow was also on the team. Guys that have retired so long ago that had, like, Ed Reed was a coach for the Bills and Frank Gore was still playing. It's like, think about how long ago that was. Also Jeremy Shockey and Roscoe Parrish was also on that 2001 Miami hurricane scene.

A (15:19)

Yeah.

B (15:19)

Wow.

C (15:20)

All right. Sorry. That was just a trip down memory lane. I'm like, holy cow.

B (15:23)

No, that's fine. Quick aside. All right, let's get into something else, then. The players that we think need to take a step up.

A (15:30)

Yeah.

B (15:30)

Upcoming season. Dan, I'm going to start with you.

C (15:33)

Offensive side of the ball is just somebody that I have been.

B (15:37)

Oh, I already know where you're going.

C (15:38)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm not going to back down from this. I think Gabe Davis needs to step up. And I mean that in the sense of you go from being a role guy to now being one of the guys. And I think that's a big change. It's. It's going from that spot starter as a baseball. On a baseball team, where it's like, oh, if he goes out there and has a good game, that's great. If he doesn't, you're going, oh, well, you know, he's not really a starter. Now you're the starter. And I think it's. It's interesting to say that somebody needs to step up. And Mike and I were talking about this yesterday in the sports office that a guy needs to step up after having one of the greatest football games in NFL history. But he only caught, like, 34 passes last year like that. To sit here and Say, like, oh, Gabe Davis is going to be a top 15 wide receivers. To me, it's a little bit of an overreaction. And I know the comments will say, Gabe Davis is great. And I. He can be. He absolutely can be. Last year we were talking about Dawson Knox being the guy that stepped up, and he did, and Dawson Knox made that step. Gabe Davis needs to be that guy like Mike and I were talking about. That needs to be consistently six catches, 70 yards. Like, he needs to be that level of a guy. Not a. Two catches for 35 yards. That's the difference. When you're, when you're a role player guy, that. That's fine. You catch your ball, you catch your third down and it's. That's great. That's awesome. This is now a step up that he's got to make.

A (17:04)

Dan. I agree with Dan 100% on Davis, and that's not even remotely a criticism of Gabe Davis. They've looked at it and said, we believe in him, but now he has to show us. And I would say that right now to the guy writing a comment in criticizing Dan. And now I, because I'm with him on this. It's not all about stats, but I would say to you, in what round would you draft Gabe Davis in a fantasy league? The reason I say that is because when you draft a guy that's the number two wide receiver on an offense like the Bills, you're expecting that guy to have the skit. The season that dan's talking about, six for 75 and a touchdown, like that's what you're. And then on given weeks, he's the number one guy. And as great as Diggs is, is Gabe Davis the guy that on a given week, when a lot of the attention goes to, to Stefan Diggs, that Gabe comes up with the big game that way. He's had them. He's had moments, but it's on a more consistent basis that he's that guy. I think it's in the guy. I mean, I agree that move he made in the playoff game was spectacular. I mean, it's a shame that that thing should get, you know, just like a guy crossing somebody over in the NBA. Like it should get played over and over again on the plays that he made. But again, now, now it's over the 17 games, he's been good in the playoffs. He's had big moments in the playoffs, which is fantastic.

B (18:28)

Yeah.

A (18:29)

But I, I think, Jenna, he can be a prominent weekly player on the Bills offense, and that would be huge.

B (18:37)

For Josh, I agree. I think I would phrase it as he's done what he's been asked, but now he's going to be asked to do more.

A (18:43)

That's good.

C (18:45)

I like that.

B (18:45)

I wrote that down because you guys were talking and I knew I would forget. Yeah. But I, I truly believe that. Done what has been asked of him. He's done a great job at it. But now this year, that step is going to be for even more. And I think, again, I agree with you guys. I think he will be up for that challenge. But I think when you get outside of Western New York and Bill's fans, if you were to ask. If I were to ask, you know, my sister, who are the. Who's Gabe Davis, she'd be like, I have no idea. You know, like, in terms of, like, she's a football fan, but she's a fan of a different team.

A (19:17)

Yeah.

B (19:17)

You know, maybe Gabe Davis becomes more. I don't want to say a national name, but in terms of the division and players like that, you're like, oh, that's a, That's a really good guy in the.

A (19:27)

You know what, Jenna? That's a good point. And if they would have, and I'm sorry to bring this up, but if they would have won that Kansas City game.

B (19:33)

Yeah, it would have been.

A (19:34)

Gabe would have gotten so much more attention going into. When they beat the Bengals and then went to the super bowl and won the Super Bowl. But I digress.

B (19:43)

Yeah. All right, Mike, who's your player? Do you have us?

A (19:46)

I'm with him on offensively. With Davis. I. I would say that defensively, or do you have another guy, Jenna?

B (19:52)

Well, this one, I don't know if he is the guy because I feel like last year we asked this of him, but they have tried to draft Devin Singletary's replacement the last couple of seasons.

C (20:03)

Wasn't me. I just want this on the record. It wasn't me that said Devin Singletary needs to step up.

B (20:09)

Had a nice ending to his season in terms of Singletary, but again, they drafted Cook. They're looking for another guy. I just, I don't know if Devin Singletary has it in him to be that guy that, that bell cow, all those things. And I know the Bills have said they don't want a bell cow. They don't. They don't believe in that philosophy as much, but that's because they don't have a bell cow. If you had a guy that could take all those snaps and be that productive, you would obviously have him Inserted into the lineup as much as possible.

C (20:39)

This is the second time they have drafted.

B (20:41)

Yeah.

C (20:42)

Running back in his. On his rookie deal. While Devin Singletary is. I guarantee he's going to be in the best shape of his life. Him where he already. True. Can he be in better shape?

A (20:56)

Here's what I would say, Jenna, about Devin Singletary. I think he's a really good football player and I think he came through for them.

B (21:02)

But the issue is nice football player.

A (21:04)

At running back, number one. It's not a position that teams really are eager to be giving a big second deal to. Right. It's just not. There's a few guys that are that way and not all of them. And then two, Devin Singletary, when I say that like he had some big plays for them. He's a. Was a good player. He became a more important player to their offense. But there is also the reality in the NFL that at. @ a certain. It's not even age. It's. It's miles on the tires and you say tread. This is who he is. So are we just letting him walk at the end of the year and you. You go find another guy. You find another guy that you can plug in. And I think that's what they've attempted to do now with Cook. You're talking about a different type of player, maybe a more dynamic player to go with him. It doesn't mean, you know, Singletary could end up being really good this year and he gets a modest deal to stay in Buffalo. It's not like he's old, but I do think, you know, look at what they've done. Dan said it. They drafted over him once. They drafted again and they've shown that they're not married to him at that position.

C (22:19)

We're on like year three of Devin Singletary needing to or get off the pot like we are on. And guess what? It is. It's amazing to me too, Mike, the fact that you're sitting here going, oh, they drafted a guy that's. That's more dynamic. Singletary was supposed to be the dynamic guy. He was. Brandon Bean's words were he can make guys miss in a phone book. He was the most dynamic player that I watched and scouted this year. And I know it's Bean talk, but I'm just saying, like on a roll, Jenna.

A (22:49)

Phone booth.

B (22:50)

Phone booth.

C (22:51)

What? I say phone book.

B (22:55)

He's not that good.

C (22:57)

Missing a phone. That. That's next level. If you can make a guy miss at a phone book that's above a phone booth.

A (23:03)

But yeah, by the way, we need a new analogy there because there's no more phone books or phone booths.

C (23:09)

No, they're gone.

B (23:10)

Some of the draft terminology or like the phrases, I'm like, this is some interesting stuff. All right, so it is then maybe it's not a step up year, it's a show me year.

A (23:19)

Yeah. Because I think they're predisposed to move on from him and that's it. Maybe this is just who he is. And guess what, he'll get signed by another team. He's. He's a good running back. You know, we, we don't know where this year is going to take us. I think Gabe Davis to me is a guy especially at that wide receiver position that I think they have really high hopes for and he's shown flashes of what he can be. But I was going to say, defensively, I'm going with Greg Russo, number one pick. Yep. Yeah, yeah. And this could be the year where Brandon Bean says, hallelujah, I got it right. I went out and spent the money on Von Miller and I had drafted this kid number one. He's going into year two. He showed flashes, but man, you better be doubling Von Miller in those pass wrestling situations. And if Ed Oliver is getting that push in the inside Dan, Greg Russo better be ready because he's going to have every opportunity to be that impactful guy.

C (24:19)

I agree with you 100%. We could probably say A.J. epanessa, but it just doesn't seem like that's as likely. Like, like it's more likely that Greg Russo has. It has a more of a breakout year or a step up year to impact the defense. I'll, I'll go with Dane Jackson and, and just in the sense of he doesn't need to be great, he just needs to be Levi Wallace esque. Which is, which is good. You don't need to be great Dane, like you just need to be good and fill in the if, if and when. Mike looks like he's having a stroke over there. I don't know what happened.

A (24:52)

Dane Jackson's gonna be the backup.

C (24:55)

Okay.

A (24:55)

Levi was a starter.

C (24:57)

I agree. But there are going to be times where Dane is going to get meaningful minutes. Whether if it's that's fair, that's whether it's Kair needs time, whether it's injuries, whether it's Trey needing not playing at certain times in games because of coming off the injury. One of those things. I think Dane will, they will need to rely on Dane Jackson. We have learned anything. It is Depth in the secondary is something that the Bills haven't had at times. And I think Dane needs to be that guy that they can rely on more in situations because teams are going to go three, four wide that. That. That's what they're going to do, and that's the NFL. And Dane needs to be that guy, I think, to be good. Not great, but. But prove that he can be a starter if need be.

B (25:38)

Okay. Not going to lie. In the beginning, I was like Dan, skeptical. But I see your point. I understand what you're saying. And yes, that makes sense. That makes sense to me. All right, gentlemen.

A (25:50)

Oh, by the way, I just wanted to add one quick thing. I just looked it up. Greg Rousseau, University of Miami was a year old when that 2001 team. And think about it, Frank Gore was playing then, and who knows? He could end up on an NFL roster. Yeah. From the U. Oh, my gosh.

B (26:14)

I want Gregory Stone to do well because I thought the Bills would draft him, and they did.

C (26:19)

You were right.

B (26:19)

Purely selfish reasons. Okay.

A (26:23)

All right, so I got to set this up for us here. So let me. Let me explain to people. And we appreciate all of our Buffalo plus YouTube viewers, but you guys know that we have a night job. I wouldn't say day job. Channel 13 and Fox Rochester television. And that's where Dan and Jenna and I work in a conjunction with what we do on Buffalo Plus. So as part of that, something's got, we're at the games. And part of that, as an affiliate of a credentialed media group, we get a spot to shoot the games on the sidelines and a spot in the press box on a weekly basis. And then the third one of our group ends up back at the TV station handling the duties there and anchoring the newscast. So that's the other thing we do. So what it comes down to is I have the difficult job of sitting in the press box. Sitting, Sipping on coffee and watching the game. And Dan and Jenna get the easy job of traipsing up and down the sidelines in all kinds of weather with a camera to shoot the games. Is that about right?

B (27:25)

I will say you usually bring me down snacks.

A (27:29)

Yeah.

C (27:29)

So, wow, he brings you snacks.

B (27:31)

Wait, he doesn't bring you snacks?

A (27:34)

Come on, Dan. I usually at the home games, I steal candy and bring it down from the press box.

B (27:40)

Yeah, you.

C (27:41)

You have hooked me up with. With hand warmers and electric gloves. The one time.

A (27:45)

Hand warmers, electric gloves that died in that crazy game. But. But in this case, so. So here's the deal. So there are two of us going to all the games. Usually I go because one of you guys is going to be shooting the game and being down there on the field. And it is difficult. The camera, it is a difficult job, but it's also enjoyable for you guys. You're right in the middle of the action, and traveling is.

B (28:11)

As someone who's been hit on the sidelines.

A (28:13)

Yes.

B (28:13)

Right in the middle of the action.

C (28:15)

For someone who has tackled a player, she's like, she. It's all about it.

A (28:19)

Yes. So Google it if you'd like. It's Jenna crushes Mike Evans and Trey White on the sidelines now.

C (28:25)

And I think also, Mike, I think people think that, like, we just pull names out of a hat or wake up on Sunday and go, like, who's going to the game?

A (28:31)

Yeah. So these are number one. We. We. We plan ahead. We travel. You got to book flights or driving wherever. And so anyhow, so in fairness to Dan and Jenna, you know, they have lives. We're trying to work around everything. They have preferences where they want to go. We. You guys choose to some extent the games you're going to shoot. So they've did it before, and now they're going to do it again. We're going to have a draft, and each one now we're doing straight back and forth here. Right. So it's just the two of you.

B (29:04)

Yeah.

A (29:04)

Oh, what do you got there, Jerry?

B (29:08)

Are you kidding me? You want to see my notes?

A (29:10)

It's Jerry.

B (29:11)

Jose.

A (29:13)

So Dan has his big board. He says he's Brandon Bean. He's sticking to the board. He's got his order.

C (29:20)

I also can't believe how many people are interested in this.

A (29:22)

Like, so many people is the get the. Gets the number one pick.

B (29:27)

Yes.

A (29:27)

So I'm getting booed right now, like Goodell and announcing that Jenna Cottrell is on the board.

B (29:33)

Yeah.

A (29:34)

So she gets to make the first pick home it away. And should we mention the two games that are off the.

B (29:40)

Okay, so. Yeah. So first and foremost, we're going to do all the away games first.

A (29:45)

Right.

B (29:45)

The home games. Just so that way we're not filming games back to back. Sometimes that can be a lot in terms of travel, all that stuff. And then also. Yeah. Why don't you explain the games Christmas, because I am a generous soul.

A (29:58)

Christmas Eve.

C (29:59)

And Jenna's coming up.

A (30:00)

Clutch Dan, the new papa, home on Christmas Eve. Well, he's gonna be working, working, being back and forth, because all three of us are always working at the Games, no matter what's going on. But. So Christmas Eve in Chicago, Jenna and I will go to that game, and then I think she's flying off to Tahiti or somewhere after the game. That's what she does, per usual.

B (30:23)

Yeah.

A (30:23)

And Dan is gonna. We're gone. Another Thanksgiving game.

B (30:28)

Yeah.

A (30:28)

The Bills might as well just be in it every year. Detroit, which is lovely at Thanksgiving. So. So those games are off the board. Dan's gone Detroit, and Jenna's going.

C (30:37)

I like Detroit also. Yeah, I, I, I did that pre season game there.

A (30:43)

2019. Poker room or the casinos, I'm sure.

C (30:45)

Yeah, we'll figure, we'll figure that out. I get the city, you know, but, like, Ford Field is one of the coolest fields. The, the, one of the walls of the stadium is built off an old industrial warehouse from Detroit. So it's like indoor. It's just a cool field. It's got some exposed brick, you know, EB like, it looks good. And it's, it's a dome. So it's a dome in that. But again, I have to thank Jenna for doing this. Obviously, having a young daughter, I'd like to be there for Christmas Eve morning and Christmas Day morning. So I appreciate Jenna and Jenna coming up. Clutch. Shane is, is pretty cute, so she'll, she'll give you a hug and a kiss later.

B (31:27)

I don't think my plant will miss me as much over Christmas, so I think we're good. Yeah.

A (31:32)

Okay.

C (31:32)

All right.

A (31:33)

So Jenna is on the clock. Road games first. Jenna, go ahead.

B (31:39)

Should I be like Jacksonville and not have a decision made? No, I'm kidding.

A (31:43)

She's taking phone calls on trades.

B (31:47)

No, I mean, I think this is the obvious pick. It's the season opener in la. The defending super bowl champions taking on the future defending super bowl champions. I've never been to LA either. There are already restaurants I want to try. I'm also a big fan of, of weather. Nice weather. So with the first overall selection, I will be taking the NFL season opener. The Buffalo Bills against the LA Rams.

A (32:13)

Yeah. Yeah. I think, you know, Kuiper loves the pick. They had him. They had the Rams as the number one. McShay also. I think it's consensus. I think it's, yeah. Smart.

B (32:24)

Seemed like the easy thing to do.

C (32:26)

Yeah.

B (32:27)

Okay.

C (32:27)

Am I on the clock?

A (32:28)

Yeah, Dan is on the clock.

C (32:29)

This is. A lot of people are. Everybody knew what, what one, one was going to be. Yeah, that was, that was the, that was lit. I think there's a better game. I, I, There's Not a better atmosphere. There may be a better game. I'm going to take Kansas City.

B (32:43)

Yeah.

C (32:44)

In week six.

B (32:45)

Yeah.

A (32:45)

Okay.

C (32:45)

@ Kansas City. I think that is the best game on the schedule. You're getting the rematch of that epic playoff game. You're going to get some. We're going to get barbecue. We'll go to Slaps or find a new place.

B (32:56)

Slaps.

C (32:57)

So. So we'll do that. So that was. And then now. Now it's chaos. But I'm going to take Kansas City with my first overall pick.

A (33:04)

All right, so we're in LA and Kansas City.

B (33:07)

Yeah.

A (33:07)

The draft really started with pick two. Yeah, I figured.

B (33:11)

I figured you would go, Casey, because my thought process is I feel like we're gonna be back there.

A (33:18)

Oh.

C (33:19)

Oh.

A (33:21)

You know, I think they're coming to Buffalo.

B (33:23)

All right, well, either way, if I don't have to go to Kansas City, that's fine, too.

C (33:28)

It's a beautiful airport. It's a beautiful airport.

B (33:30)

They actually did renovations on it.

A (33:32)

Yeah, they need to do.

B (33:33)

It should be less terrible, but that's still substantially lower than start over again. Yeah. No. Okay.

A (33:38)

All right, Janet, back on the clock. Pick three.

B (33:42)

See, this is what's tough is because there's good games later in the season, but they're going to be cold, so I don't love the cold.

C (33:52)

I'm. I'm on pins and needles because this is. This is.

B (33:55)

This is interesting because I don't think you're gonna expect this. I'm gonna go Baltimore.

A (34:01)

Oh. Oh, the war room.

B (34:05)

Oh, yeah. And here's my thought process early on in the season. It's gonna be nice. Obviously, there's a lot of expectations on this Ravens team. Lamar, Jackson, all of that. I also love seafood. Orange Crushes are amazing as well. So I'm going.

A (34:21)

Wow. See, that's the thing you have to keep in mind. Jenna begins with 1 and 1A for every pick of hers is food and weather.

B (34:30)

Weather first, actually.

C (34:32)

I know.

B (34:32)

Food.

C (34:33)

I know. That's a really strong pick. That was my last Tier one game. I had three games in tier one.

A (34:38)

Dan, you can't trade back.

C (34:40)

I know.

B (34:42)

I'm curious where you're gonna go with this one.

A (34:44)

Yeah.

C (34:45)

Not gonna lie. I don't love this.

A (34:47)

Buffalo plus draft. Dan Fates is on the clock.

B (34:50)

Okay, let me. Let me look at.

C (34:52)

Let me mark Jenna for ball.

A (34:54)

They're scrambling here.

B (34:55)

Yeah.

C (34:56)

Like, I. I don't love this. I don't want this.

B (34:58)

You're in a tough. You're in a tough spot, but I.

C (35:02)

I'm gonna stick to my board. I'm gonna stick to my board. It's the number one game I have for tier two.

B (35:08)

Okay.

C (35:10)

I'm gonna go Miami, week three.

B (35:12)

Oh, perfect. I didn't want to go to that.

C (35:15)

I, I, you know, now, now the knock is. It's Miami. You go there all the time. I, I get that. You're still going to get a beach. I do like doing the standups from the beach in the water.

B (35:25)

Yeah.

C (35:27)

Easy stadium to. To maneuver around.

B (35:30)

So I'll take that sideline, though. That sideline is directly the visiting sideline.

C (35:36)

There's other things on the sidelines, Jenna. There's other things on the sidelines that, that, that get in the way at times as well. But I'll take, I'll take Miami.

B (35:44)

I actually. Well, this is good because those would be back to back. So you get to go to Miami and then I get to go to Baltimore.

C (35:51)

Okay.

A (35:52)

Wow.

B (35:53)

What could possibly distract you in Miami?

C (35:55)

I didn't say distract. I just said it's the maneuvering stuff. Yeah.

B (35:59)

Okay. Yeah. Interesting.

A (36:01)

All right. Four picks in Jenna. Pick number.

B (36:03)

Okay, well, I feel like, see this? We actually didn't discuss this, but I have family that live in Massachusetts, so I. But I don't really want to give up that. I don't know.

C (36:22)

You will get an extra away game. Like you, because the Bills have more away games than home games this year. Yeah, you will get an extra away game.

B (36:31)

That is true. You have Detroit. I mean, I already have Chicago.

C (36:37)

Correct.

B (36:38)

Okay.

C (36:42)

I feel good about my round three pick. No matter where it goes here. I feel good about this next pick.

B (36:47)

That's good.

A (36:48)

Interesting.

B (36:50)

I wonder what you're gonna do.

A (37:02)

Gotta get the card in.

B (37:04)

You know what? I will go. I love the New York trip. I do. I have family and friends in New York. And Mike, we always go down a little early because you also have family there. So I'm gonna pick New York. The New York.

C (37:16)

That was. That was the next pick on my board. This is going chalk. This is. This is pretty simple.

A (37:20)

I mean, that trick also would include meeting Blake.

B (37:25)

Oh, yeah. Done deal. That. I told me that before.

C (37:30)

Hey, that's like hidden medicals. I didn't know that his ACL was fully repaired, that this, like, this would have shot up. This would have been a late round sleeper.

A (37:39)

It's the first grandchild of Buffalo plus.

B (37:41)

Yeah, it's not from me.

A (37:46)

Yay.

C (37:47)

So that is week nine.

B (37:49)

That is week nine. Correct after the Sunday night game.

C (37:52)

All right. That was the next game. I Had. I also have friends outside of. In Hoboken. So sorry, Steve, I will not be there. Maybe this, this may be where the draft goes a little sideways. There's only two games left to pick and I'm actually. This was the last game I had on my tier two.

B (38:06)

Okay.

C (38:06)

I'll take. Since I'll take Cincinnati.

B (38:08)

Perfect. Because I want to go to see my family.

C (38:11)

Perfect. This is how it works out. Well, I'm going to take Cincinnati. I think that could be another meaningful game. It's January 2nd. It's Cincinnati. But I've heard it's beautiful that time of the year.

A (38:25)

It is. It's really nice.

B (38:26)

I will say, like they're, they're the, the, the skyline.

C (38:30)

Chili, you love their skyline.

B (38:31)

No, I was going to say the field is nice.

C (38:34)

Yes.

B (38:34)

I don't mind their stadium, so.

C (38:36)

But I just want to. I can see Joe Burrow in person, hopefully. I, I think that that game could be for, you know, big seating. It's a Monday night game. I will take Cincinnati.

B (38:46)

Top seed in the AFC could be up for grabs.

A (38:48)

So I'm going to make a little prediction on that game. The graphic before the game shows Cincinnati in the hunt.

B (38:57)

Interesting.

A (38:58)

In the hunt this year.

B (39:01)

Wow.

A (39:02)

They take that step back. Losing super bowl team. Unless you're New England. Usually it's a fade back, so.

B (39:10)

All right. Yeah.

A (39:11)

And Jen is going to New England.

B (39:15)

So I did la, Baltimore, Chicago, New York trip and then Foxborough, which I have family there, so I enjoy going to anyways. Okay.

C (39:26)

See, I get first pick on home games.

B (39:29)

Yeah.

C (39:30)

Okay. I get first pick on home games. We don't need to wait long. This is easy. It's the Monday night against Tennessee. It's the home game. It's that. That was the clear cut one. One for home games, right?

B (39:42)

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna do Green Bay.

C (39:50)

Good pick.

B (39:51)

Sunday Night football time, prime time. Aaron Rodgers, who Josh Allen will be seeing in the match.

A (40:01)

The match.

C (40:04)

So the home games are all weird because we've said before, a lot of them are late in the season and weather is a huge factor in a lot of those games. So I will take the last game that I think the weather will be somewhat nice in. I'll take the week five at home against Pittsburgh.

A (40:20)

Oh, I like that game.

B (40:22)

That's a sneaky good game.

A (40:24)

It's Mitch Trubisky.

C (40:25)

Yeah, that's Tomlin and Mack Daddy were college teammates. I don't know where they. We'll talk about that leading up to the game too. So I'll take Pittsburgh in week five.

B (40:34)

All right, so a quick refresher then through week eight. So it's. I'll be in la, you're home for Tennessee. You're on the road for Miami. I'm going to Baltimore. Then you're doing Steelers game at home, then Kansas City on the road the bye week. And then I'm doing Green Bay.

C (40:54)

Correct. And New York.

B (40:56)

And then New York. Yep, yep.

C (40:58)

We are. We are through November 6th. We are through week nine.

A (41:02)

And Dan, you are on the clock. No, no, you just took Pittsburgh. I'm sorry.

C (41:07)

Yeah, that was my last tier one game of. Of home games. It was Tennessee, Green Bay and Pittsburgh. Just because of weather.

B (41:15)

Yeah, that's very fair. Bad at it. That is mang. You're going to be on the road.

A (41:30)

So we're still looking at home Miami, home Jets.

B (41:35)

Yep.

A (41:38)

Home Patriots. Right.

C (41:40)

Minnesota, Cleveland, New York, Miami, New England.

B (41:44)

I'll do the Cleveland game. Okay. I think we'll have friends in town at the game.

C (41:53)

I will take Minnesota.

B (41:56)

Damn it.

C (41:57)

I. I will take the Cook Connection game.

B (42:01)

Oh, yeah, that'll be good.

C (42:05)

I'm just like predicting a snowstorm on November 13th. That it's gonna come in?

B (42:12)

No. I don't know. Although it was actually comical the way last year broke down because insane Dan's weather games were awful and I got beautiful weather.

C (42:22)

So by the time it got to be Wednesday, people didn't need to ask because they saw the forecast of whatever game it was and was blizzard like conditions. Sub zero wins. It was like, oh, Dan's shooting this game, isn't he? It's like, yes, he is.

A (42:32)

Yeah.

C (42:33)

Remember Sunny and 80. It's like, wow, it's a really warm day in December. Oh, it's Jenna's game.

A (42:39)

Dan remember thinking that the I am playoff game was okay against the Patriots.

C (42:47)

The sub. The. The. The zero degree game was a cakewalk compared to wind on Monday night.

B (42:53)

Oh, my God. Yeah, I forgot you had that.

C (42:55)

Both of those.

A (42:56)

Awful.

B (42:56)

I got both those and then I was in Tampa.

A (42:59)

Yeah.

C (42:59)

Yep.

B (43:01)

And that game was bananas as well.

A (43:02)

That's a great game.

C (43:03)

Three games left. Jenna's. Jenna gets two more picks. I get one.

B (43:11)

Cool. Can I choose to not shoot the game?

C (43:21)

Jenna just folds. Jenna just waves.

B (43:24)

It just sometimes folds.

C (43:26)

There's two different.

B (43:27)

All December. Yeah. Let's see. I don't want to shoot two jets games. That's just. I guess it's fun. But. No, I will do. I'll do the Miami game. The second Miami game.

C (43:52)

All right, so this is where it.

B (43:53)

Gets tricky little TUA action if.

A (43:56)

Oh, he'll be bench by then.

C (43:58)

So you think you said the second. That was my least favorite game, that Miami game. That was the worst pick I had in the whole schedule on my board. That was Mr. Relevant. Okay, so it's tricky here because do I need to take the jets game, Jenna. Because otherwise you would shoot four games in a row.

A (44:12)

Oh, yeah. I think we'd have to make a post draft adjustment there.

C (44:17)

Right. So I'll take Jets, you get New England. Yeah, yeah.

B (44:20)

Okay, that's fair.

C (44:21)

Or we can leave the Week 18 game up to wherever. I mean.

B (44:25)

Yeah, yeah, let's do that.

C (44:26)

Why don't we leave that game off the board. We'll see.

B (44:29)

Is this when the Bills are at.

A (44:30)

Are they going for 170 or is that 60? What is that.

C (44:36)

Week 18 as a to be tournament. And that was honestly the best game that I had on my tier 2 of everything else home games. Because I think if that game could be somewhat meaningful.

B (44:47)

Yeah.

A (44:47)

It could also be the case keenum game while they're 100 starters.

B (44:52)

Yeah, that's definitely true. All right, so you're doing the other.

A (44:54)

Jeff, this is very exciting.

B (44:56)

Thank you.

A (44:57)

Very interesting to see how your two minds work.

C (45:00)

None of us shoot three games in a row.

B (45:02)

Yep. Which is always the key. All right, so let's go three through. So I have la, you have Tennessee, you have Miami, I have Baltimore, you have Steelers, you have Chiefs the bye week. I have Green Bay game. I have New York, you have Minnesota, I have Cleveland, you have Detroit, I have Thursday night Football. You shoot the jets game. Then I have the Miami game. I have the Christmas Eve, Christmas Eve in Chicago game. You have Monday Night Football with at the Bengals. And then. And then we will figure it out, honestly. Yeah, that's pretty.

A (45:42)

Yeah.

C (45:42)

The Baltimore pick, Jenna. Really good pick. I think that's the steal the draft. I've been really cool stadium inner harbor there. Yeah, you're gonna get that in early October. It's gonna be like. It's gonna be like quarter zip weather. It's gonna be really good to shoot that game. Yeah, I'm a big fan of that crab cakes. I think that's. I think that's a really good. It's a really good pick.

B (46:05)

So I was. I was talking to Mike about it. I'm like, I think I'm going to go Baltimore next. And he was very taken off guard that I would choose that.

C (46:11)

Yeah, I was hoping you would take Miami now was I wanted you to take Miami so I could get Baltimore.

A (46:17)

See, I had sources close to me telling me what your thinking was, and I just tried to navigate between the two of you without giving up information. But I will say, the whole time, you know, I know I was surprised. I know. You know, Kuiper and McShay were surprised that Baltimore was that high on Jenna's list. But when you add the weather and food element to it, you can see why. Early season.

B (46:45)

Yeah. Don't get me wrong. I love Miami. If Miami was not in September, I'd be all over it. I just.

C (46:51)

If I would have taken Baltimore, would you have taken Casey then?

B (46:55)

Yeah.

C (46:56)

All right. So I wasn't gonna get both. I was trying to figure out a way. I was gonna try and play mind games. I was just gonna try and work away into, like. I didn't think. I didn't think I'd get both. Those are my.

B (47:04)

Yeah. The top tier was la, Kansas City, then Baltimore. For me, if. If, like, the Cincinnati game was early on in the season would have been way higher. Yeah. But, like, you know, it's a weird game.

C (47:17)

That's a weird. Yeah, it's a weird game.

B (47:19)

Yeah.

C (47:20)

And I'm with you. The New York City trip. Sneaky. Good. It's a drive, which is nice. People that don't. For people that don't understand. Like, people like, oh, flying's awesome. Delays.

A (47:30)

We bring a lot of equipment. We.

C (47:32)

We bring so much equipment here.

B (47:34)

Our camera is, like, this big. It's.

C (47:36)

People are going. You get that looks in the airport of. What do you do?

B (47:40)

Yeah.

C (47:40)

Like, Carrie carries.

A (47:42)

Just so everybody knows, it's the only time I really carry the camera.

C (47:46)

That is true. Because Mike gets to board the flight.

A (47:49)

Earlier than us because I have this credit card that gets me on certain flights earlier. And we need to make sure we have space to protect the camera.

B (47:57)

Yeah.

A (47:57)

And so I'll walk on with it. Be like, oh. And I'm like, yeah, I. I just know how to put this thing away.

C (48:03)

No, Mike, the best is when we board flights and people recognize you.

A (48:07)

Yeah.

C (48:07)

And then they go, it's Mike Catalana. It's like, I wonder, does anybody work with him? And it's like, yeah, me the best. Remember the guys. I told you the one time guys sitting there on the plane next to me goes, man, Mike and. And Jenna, they are so good on the Buffalo. Plus, I. I just love that stuff. And they go, and who's that other guy? And Grant, I have a mask on. Like, this was like, you know, and I'm sitting there like, as me. And he's like, you. Yeah, it was me, man. Like, yeah, it's great, guys. Like, I love Buffalo. Plus, that YouTube channel is great. Mike and Jenna do a good job.

A (48:42)

And then. Didn't he ask what you did? Yeah. What do you do?

B (48:47)

Oh, man, that'll humble you real quick.

A (48:50)

I just think it's because Dan's usually so quiet on the podcast that he wasn't sure.

B (48:55)

Yeah, yeah. No.

C (48:56)

There's one thing that we said about producer. It's captions, and Dan needs to shut up. Like that. Those are the two captions we receive the most.

B (49:05)

I don't know. I get one, too.

A (49:07)

Yeah, yeah. Yes.

B (49:10)

This was good draft.

C (49:11)

Jenna.

B (49:12)

I was gonna say this. Yeah. Pleasure doing business with you, friend.

C (49:15)

I think I appreciate you again on Christmas Eve. I owe you another coffee. That was it.

B (49:20)

You owe me more than coffee.

A (49:22)

And by the way, NFL, can we now just move off of these Christmas games?

B (49:27)

They are not going to, though.

A (49:28)

No, I mean, next season, I guess it would be Sunday. Would you know, it moves to Monday.

B (49:37)

Monday, Christmas.

A (49:37)

Yeah, Christmas Monday. Christmas Eve is a Sunday. They'll probably play the games on Saturday. No, no, in the NFL, they won't. Who knows while they're playing, the majority.

C (49:46)

Wants Christmas to move. It's like, hey, yeah, like Santa. Figure it out. Get out of our. Get out of our day.

B (49:53)

It's so true, though. All right, well, cool. This was fun. Anything else you guys want to mention?

A (50:01)

I think we're good. Okay.

B (50:02)

We're good. All right. Mike won't be here. I don't know if we're gonna do a podcast next week. I believe we are, but it'll be Dan and I. Yeah, I'm away for a little.

A (50:12)

I'm playing a little golf.

B (50:13)

Yeah.

A (50:14)

Foreign country.

C (50:15)

Say where at? Ravenwood in Pittsford.

A (50:20)

Playing in Ireland.

B (50:21)

Yeah. Good time. Yeah. All right, so please be sure to, like, comment. Subscribe to the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel. And also, if you do enjoy what we have to say, mostly Mike and I, be sure to share it with your friends.

C (50:36)

It's about par for the course.

B (50:38)

All right, thank you so much for joining us on the Buffalo plus podcast for Mike and Dan. I am Jenna. We will see you next time here on the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel.