BILLS Training Camp RECAP: JOSH ALLEN to PLAY in the preseason, KEON COLEMANs 1st camp & TEAM AWARDS

Summary

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Buffalo Plus: Bills Training Camp Recap – Josh Allen to Play in Preseason, Keon Coleman’s First Camp & Team Awards

Date: August 8, 2024
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fates

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, the Buffalo Plus team recaps the conclusion of the Buffalo Bills’ 2024 training camp at St. John Fisher University. Hosts Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, and Dan Fates share insights into Josh Allen’s preseason plans, the importance of away camp for team cohesion, key takeaways on new faces (notably rookie Keon Coleman), and a fun set of “Training Camp Awards”—from most improved to biggest surprise and camp darling.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Camp Atmosphere and Takeaways

• Productive and Positive Camp Mood:

  • The hosts agreed that despite many new faces, this camp felt calm, productive, and low on drama.
  • “This was a very productive, calm, relaxed, impactful camp.” (Mike Catalana, 01:35)

• Value of ‘Going Away’ for Camp:

  • The away setting at Fisher University promoted unique team bonding, especially helpful for integrating new players.
  • “Fisher offered yet again the opportunity for players to get to know one another...the team to gel in ways that, if you don’t have the same experience, it’s not quite the same.” (Jenna, 03:12)

• Adjusting to a New Roster Core:

  • The departure of some leaders (like Stefon Diggs) is felt, but the energy has been supplied by new faces rather than lacking.
  • “It didn’t seem like, oh my gosh, there’s this glaring lack of juice or anything like that.” (Dan, 03:43)

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2. Josh Allen and Preseason Play

• Allen Will Play (But Don’t Expect More):
  • Sean McDermott announced the starters, including Josh Allen, will play about a quarter in the first preseason game against the Bears.
  • The hosts agree one appearance is plenty for Allen—avoid overreacting to results.
  • “This will be the only time he plays in the preseason.” (Mike, 07:10)
  • “If the offense looks great, that’s fine—bubble wrap him for week one. If the offense looks terrible, that’s fine—bubble wrap him for week one.” (Dan, 07:32)
  • On Allen’s attitude: “He still sounds like a guy who doesn’t want to play, but they want those guys on the field.” (Mike, 06:28)

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3. Insights from the Locker Room & Team Chemistry

• OL Mustache Club:

  • The offensive line is united in growing mustaches—Josh Allen included; camaraderie is strong.
  • “I think that just adds up another notch on it. But there’s only three of us...it’s about just doing it together.” (Connor McGovern, 11:26)

• Mustache Ratings:

  • McGovern rates Josh’s mustache 8.3/10, his own 7.4/10; “Dave” (David Edwards) gets 9.1/10.
  • “Josh for just the mustache has all the enthusiasm that he does for playing in the preseason.” (Mike, 12:30)

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4. Training Camp Awards

Most Improved Player

• Unanimous Pick: Kair Elam (CB)
  • Elam’s maturity, confidence, and consistency have stood out. Sean McDermott tabbed him as “the number three corner,” a huge step up from last year.
  • “He’s back as a legitimate player on the team.” (Mike, 14:06)
  • Dion Dawkins noted Elam has eliminated “distractions both inside and outside.” (Jenna, 15:15)
  • Notable detail: Elam’s sweating is so legendary he goes through three pairs of cleats per practice. (16:11–16:49)

MIA (Missing in Action) Player

• Chase Claypool (WR):
  • Looked the part physically early but faded due to injury and lack of reps—now likely on the roster bubble.
  • “He is physically jacked... But he needs to be on the field.” (Mike, 17:22)
• Mike Edwards (S):
  • Expected to be a starter, but injuries kept him sidelined most of camp—this has big implications for the defense.
  • “They penciled him in as the starter, and he’s not been on the field...that may be the most impactful.” (Mike, 18:17)
• Other mentions: Ty Johnson (RB, injured), Justin Shorter (WR, passed on depth chart), Cedric Van Pran (C, rookie, seldom discussed).

Biggest Surprise

• Jenna: Tyrell Shavers (WR) – Minor expectations, but steady progression and attention with possible roster impact.
  • “He’s made people pay attention to him in a way I don’t think anyone was expecting.” (Jenna, 21:41)
• Dan: Von Miller (Edge) – No knee brace, looking healthy and showing flashes, a pleasant surprise after last year’s struggles.
  • “For me, the big question...was how I was going to feel out here health-wise and I'm in a great spot." (Von Miller, 22:48)
• Mike: Mack Hollins (WR) – Signed as a presumed special teamer, but emerged as a real depth chart contributor, likely a starting WR.
  • “He catches the football... I did not see him in any form coming in after signing with the team.” (Mike, 25:43)

Training Camp Darling

• Winner: Mack Hollins (WR)
  • Fan favorite for his approachable, autograph-signing nature and surprising impact on the field.
  • “He’s usually the last player out signing autographs.” (Jenna, 27:32)
• Honorable mentions: Tyrell Shavers and Keon Coleman (fan/coach excitement).

Biggest Concern

• Tyler Bass (K):
  • Previously automatic, now showing inconsistency—a growing point of worry for hosts and, apparently, Sean McDermott.
  • “I have a slight concern with Tyler Bass.” (Dan, 30:32)
• Matt Milano (LB):
  • Concerns over his full return from a major injury, despite flashes in camp.
  • “My expectations for Matt Milano are...great point player...My feeling is, we may be hearing that [about his health] in October.” (Mike, 31:06)

Best Pass Catcher

• Consensus: Dalton Kincaid (TE)
  • “There was never a ball that was thrown to him where I went, 'Oh, he should have caught that.'” (Dan, 35:32)
  • Keon Coleman highlighted for his contested catches but needs more refinement vs. press coverage. Shakir (WR) also praised as highly reliable.

Position Group Most Confident In (non-QB)

• Dan & Jenna: Cornerbacks – Elam’s emergence, Jamarcus Ingram’s rise, plus rookie Hardy showing potential.
  • “You need corners...very confident in the corners.” (Dan, 36:07)
• Mike: Offensive line – Depth and reliability, with Connor McGovern and Alec Anderson praised, though some snapping issues remain.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan on preseason overreaction:
  “I don’t want to look at preseason results and go, oh, we had this plan...Now because they went three and out and punted twice, we gotta have him play.” (07:32)
• Connor McGovern on mustaches:
  “It doesn’t matter how good it looks... it’s about just doing it together.” (11:26)
• Mike on Kair Elam’s transformation:
  “John Butler didn’t like him... He didn’t want him on the field.” (15:44)
• Jenna on Tyrell Shavers:
  “He has made people pay attention to him in a way that I don’t think anyone was expecting.” (21:41)
• Von Miller, upbeat and ready:
  “Health is wealth, and feeling great on the football field leads to that mental aspect... I feel great.” (22:48)
• On Mack Hollins’ unique habits:
  “He ate lasagna with his hands.” (Mike, 26:11)
• On Tyler Bass:
  “He is trying to pump him up, but he’s got to be good because that is a worry.” (Mike, 30:19)
• Dan on largest positive change:
  “The emergence of Kyer Elam. Jamarcus Ingram has been another guy that I think we've been wanting to talk about at camp.” (36:00)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 00:17 – Camp officially over; Allen to play in preseason
• 01:35–03:39 – Camp atmosphere and away camp impact
• 05:24 – Starters playing in preseason (Allen’s role)
• 11:01 – Mustache club (locker room chemistry)
• 13:07 – Training camp awards begin
  • 13:11 – Most Improved Player (Kair Elam discussion)
  • 17:12 – MIA Players (Claypool, Edwards, etc.)
  • 21:40 – Biggest Surprise (Shavers, Von Miller, Hollins)
  • 27:02 – Camp Darling (Hollins, Shavers)
  • 30:19 – Biggest Concern (Bass, Milano)
  • 33:15 – Best Pass Catcher (Kincaid, Coleman, Shakir)
  • 35:50 – Position Group Most Confident In (CBs, OL)
• 38:41 – Final thoughts: notable practice moments, wrapping up

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Tone & Style

The hosts maintain a casual, friendly, and at times irreverent tone, peppering in inside jokes (mustaches, lasagna habits), behind-the-scenes tidbits, and plenty of Bills-insider analysis. The chemistry between Mike, Jenna, and Dan makes the factual breakdowns more engaging while never straying far from practical roster insight.

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Summary Value

For listeners who missed this episode:

• You’ll get a comprehensive sense of the Bills’ training camp progress, who’s rising and who’s fading, and a behind-the-scenes look at both the locker room culture and fan stories.
• Key takeaways include Kair Elam’s resurgence, questions looming for the kicking and LB corps, optimism about the young pass-catchers (Kincaid, Coleman), and the positive impact of team bonding away from home.
• Practical, candid, and plenty of fun—that’s Buffalo Plus in training camp mode.

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Transcript

[Mike Catalana]

When you're here, you're with everybody and that's how you like family. That is true.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But it is point in my career.

[Dan Fates]

If it's what I was holding back. I was holding it back.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay.

[Dan Fates]

I just meant I will interrupt you eventually, but I think you did. You just did.

[Jenna Cottrell]

All right, training camp is officially over.

[Mike Catalana]

Josh Allen's gonna play on Saturday and.

[Dan Fates]

We give our training camp awards from the Bill's time here in Pittsford. This is the Buffalo plus podcast brought to you by Connors and Ferris.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Welcome Back to the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel, presented by Connors and Ferris, Mike Catalana, Dan Fates. I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share. We always appreciate it. Training camp.

[Dan Fates]

Shout out. Brian, Talk to him today.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Brian.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, Shout out plus subscriber.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes. No, great. Had a great conversation with him. He was fantastic. I also wanted pops mafia.

[Dan Fates]

Okay.

[Jenna Cottrell]

They also stopped us. That was nice. Okay, let's get into it. Training camp Mike is officially over.

[Mike Catalana]

Is my microphone in the proper position?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

I got scolded.

[Dan Fates]

We've had some audio issues for. From catalonic pontificating.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

As such. I'm working on it.

[Mike Catalana]

I am working on it. I am trying to be good.

[Dan Fates]

Yes. Went back and watched the film.

[Mike Catalana]

I did. I do study the tape. I. These guys, we set a standard here and I do not want to fail the standard.

[Dan Fates]

The standard's the standard.

[Mike Catalana]

The standard standard. So if it's not working, I am going to fix it. So I'm trying to stand still, hold my microphone in the proper place. After 40 years, I'll learn how to do this to go. Camp is over and McDermott says it all the time and I agree with him on this. Camp continues. They're not in season mode yet where they're game planning and they're doing all that so it moves to Orchard Park. But there's no question this is an element. This is a level of what they do. This is going away. This is the way they handle practice. And I do think it's a step and I think this was a very productive, calm, relaxed, impactful camp.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah. We were just eating lunch saying there wasn't any too much chaos. There wasn't a day when everything went haywire, things like that. So that. That's a good thing. Yeah, it's a good thing for the team. It's a good thing for us. We do need to correct yesterday. I'll say this first. Justin Shorter. Justin Shorter. Justin Shorter. We have missed him over the last few days also. K.J. hamler was the pass catcher of the day yesterday. He was all over the field making impact plays, caught a touchdown. He was one of my notes that I had that I just. We just skipped over from the notebook. So KJ Hamler started to stand out. That was also one of the things we were talking about when we were thinking about wide receivers. They're going to keep probably six like we think, as they usually do. But also, how does that affect the return game, the special teams game, all of those things.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, a lot still, like you've talked about. Training camp continues. It's just this phase of it is over. I do think that this. We say it every year that it's so impactful for the. The players to get away and how it's unique to have, you know, an NFL team that still goes away for training camp. I think in particular this year, for this team with so many new guys, that actually was very important this last little stretch. So I think the players were ready to get home. You know, they had responsibilities at home, all that stuff. But I think Fisher offered yet again the opportunity for play, players to get to know one another, this team to gel in ways that, you know, if you don't have the same experience, it's not going to be quite the same.

[Dan Fates]

Josh talked about it feeling different. I don't. I don't necessarily. And some people took that and ran because of no Stefan Diggs and things like that. I think camp felt also. There were new faces, but it felt like similar energy. It didn't seem like, oh, my gosh, there's this glaring lack of juice or anything like that. I think there were just new faces that supplied that juice. But I don't think that was a shot at Diggs. It just. It is what it is. Dion Dawkins talked about it earlier before training camp, that the team feels different. There are mainstays, captains of this team that are no longer here and things have to be replaced.

[Mike Catalana]

I think when you think about camp for all the players, especially the veteran guys like Josh and Deion, it's really about 90 guys when they're here.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

And that's the difference between being here and being in Orchard Park. In Orchard park, like you guys said, you go, you practice, you go home, you're in your meetings, you're with your guy. When you're here, you're with everybody. And that's how a guy family. That is true. But it is. You're gonna like the way you look, I guarantee it. This is the connection that they get here for those few weeks, it works for the period of time, I actually think it's a great amount of time.

[Dan Fates]

Perfect.

[Mike Catalana]

It's long enough that it's impactful. It's not too long that it becomes drudgery. The weather held up all those things. But when I say that like, you know, Deion, you know, recognizes defensive players. He's friends with Kyr Elam. I think a lot of that not saying starts at camp, but you see the guys differently because they are together basically the entire time. So I do think that matters. And to your guys point. Yeah, even for us, like, there's a lot of new guys here that are going to be players, not just new guys that may get cut in a few weeks. New guys that are going to be.

[Jenna Cottrell]

On the team, that are in a roll position for this team. So Saturday will be interesting. Sean McDermott said at his press conference that the ones will be playing for about a quarter of the preseason game against the Bears. We had talked to Josh Allen. He said, you know, I'll play if I need to. I don't know if at this point in my career, if it's what I was holding back. Okay.

[Dan Fates]

I was holding it back.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay.

[Dan Fates]

I just meant I will interrupt you eventually, but I think you just did.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But I think for Josh, he's gonna play. If he's asked to do that. He's. He also is at the point in his career. I don't. I don't think that it's like impertinent for that, but the ones are playing. I think it'll be an opportunity for Allen and the new receivers to get some time.

[Dan Fates]

Mike was right and Mike was wrong. Mike was wrong when you said Josh Allen sounded like a guy that had no interest in playing.

[Mike Catalana]

He still is.

[Dan Fates]

Okay. But you were right about the fact of new guys and if you was going to play, play week one credit.

[Mike Catalana]

To me, I said that. And by the way, he still sounds like a guy who doesn't want to play, but they want those guys on the field. When I say doesn't want to play. Josh Allen, gamer, goes through everything. It's preseason. He's been through a lot of if Sean said to him, hey, what do you think? If his answer was, I'll do what what I want. I don't think he's playing, but I do think it's important for him to be on the field with those guys. Throwing out all those receivers with Mitch and the starting offensive line, I won't say does you no good, but it basically does you no Good.

[Dan Fates]

Sean said the amount of new faces on this offense, which is something that we've talked about, of if he would play, should he play, those kind of things, was baked into. Into the decision of the ones playing about a quarter now.

[Mike Catalana]

I'm going to continue. I'm going to double down on this. Bet you can relate to this. I'm going to say, I know he's going to practice Thursday. Like I said, he's not going to play in that preseason game and he's not going to play in the last one. This will be the only time he plays in the preseason.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It's the only time I want to see him play last year.

[Mike Catalana]

If he's going in two games, if.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He'S going to play, I want to see it once. I don't even want to see a quarter. I want to see a couple series.

[Dan Fates]

You have to make that take now and cannot be results based. If the offense looks great, that's fine. Bubble wrap him for week one. If the offense looks terrible, that's fine, bubble wrap him for week one. I don't want to look at preseason results and go, oh, we had this plan. Now because they went three and out and punted twice, we got to have him play. Now, I think that's a reactionary way to treat the preseason.

[Mike Catalana]

I just want to see Josh Allen on the sidelines in a baseball hat.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I just think it's funny you said reactionary.

[Dan Fates]

I'm never reactionary.

[Jenna Cottrell]

You could sometimes be reactionary.

[Dan Fates]

Jenna, can you believe this tweet?

[Jenna Cottrell]

We guess we're.

[Mike Catalana]

How did I catch a stray on that? I didn't say anything. Yeah, yeah, you, baseball hat on the sidelines. Josh.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

Spitting sunflower seeds.

[Mike Catalana]

That means he's fine. He plays whatever the level is. Throw them. I don't care if the Bears start their third string in the game. I don't care.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

Let Josh get his snaps, get a little bit of work in. Some of it is learning. You know, they do use it for communication.

[Dan Fates]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

So. And. But Joe was the coordinator last year. That's different. Maybe on defense, because that's the other part.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I was going to mention that.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes, well, I'll let you mention that, but in this case, she's the host. It's a. It's a quarter. It's just get through the quarter. If they look good, great, and then.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Move on if they look good. Do you want him to be pulled before a quarter?

[Dan Fates]

No, I think you go in with a plan. You maybe have 15 to 20 plays that are scripted. You have him go through the plays. Good, bad, indifferent, you're done.

[Mike Catalana]

You just asked him a question.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I know. He was so reactionary. I don't know, because I kind of feel like if it's going well, just pull him before that, which, that is probably a hot take.

[Dan Fates]

Green Bay series, they marched down the field a few years ago.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That's electric.

[Dan Fates]

But they went back out for another series.

[Mike Catalana]

Didn't they go back into the third quarter?

[Dan Fates]

I can't remember.

[Mike Catalana]

Why do I feel like, you know.

[Dan Fates]

That was a Covid year.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, my God. They went out there and then they.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, my God.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay, that was kind of funny.

[Mike Catalana]

It was. They went out. I think they went out for the third quarter. He just kept throwing touchdowns, I believe, to your friend Gabe Davis. And you're like, okay, that's it, he's done. And then he kept going out there like, why are you risking this? So we'll see how it goes. But also, I wouldn't mind to seeing, seeing Mitch get some series with the ones.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

I always think about this. He's your backup. Always remember this. Mitch Trubisky is going to play in these games with second and third string guys and we're not going to look great and people are going to go, this guy can't play or whatever. All you care about with Mitchell Trabisky, Trubisky is that he could play with the starters if you needed him to because that's the only time he's ever going to be on the field unless it's mop up at the end. So we'll see what they decide to do. But oh my God. I won't say it anymore.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, my God, oh, my God. Oh, my God. All the humans. Is that what people say?

[Dan Fates]

Of all the things that I've seen. Roger, Roger Clemens.

[Mike Catalana]

I know. Going off the rails.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay, he's in George's box.

[Dan Fates]

Okay, Susie, that's baseball, Susan.

[Jenna Cottrell]

All right, so Josh will be playing. Now that camp here at Fischer is wrapped up, we wanted to do some.

[Dan Fates]

Superlatives before we get into the superlatives. We asked some hard hitting questions at the end of camp just to piggyback off of Josh. He's growing the mustache because of the offensive lineman. We asked Connor McGovern along with Katherine Fitzgerald of the Buffalo News, the big J journalists, and asked them, ask Connor about mustaches.

[Jenna Cottrell]

How much more in sync are you guys now that you have matching mustaches?

[Connor McGovern]

I think that just adds up another notch on it. But there's only three of us. It's only me, Dave And Josh so wish we tried to get more guys involved, but they're like, oh, we can't grow the facial. It doesn't matter how good it looks and all that. It's about just doing it together. So I'll give it a. Is he clean shaved like everything else or is it just like he slides a scruff. Just mustache. I'll give it a 8.3. And yours 7.4.

[Mike Catalana]

Dave.

[Connor McGovern]

Dave, I would give. He looks good with just the mustache. I would give him like a 9 one.

[Dan Fates]

I thought Connor was very fair. There was no bias in his mustache evaluation. This is not a fire alarm going off. It is just a truck backing up as they're getting ready to clear.

[Mike Catalana]

It's taking like 20 minutes to back up that.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Fates]

But yeah, I thought that was a thing we had to ask.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, you were. You were right in on it.

[Dan Fates]

I was itching.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It's so funny because there's times during a scrum which when you have all your microphones and you're interviewing a player and you're like, all right, like, we got like the substance out of the way. And then you're like, whose mustache is better?

[Dan Fates]

It's like, okay.

[Mike Catalana]

I will say it appears to me that Josh for just the mustache has all the enthusiasm that he does for playing in the preseason.

[Dan Fates]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

It's like I did it because they.

[Dan Fates]

I'm here, so I don't get.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Fine. Yes. Same energy.

[Dan Fates]

It's got a little bit of Uncle Rico vibes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, definitely. That. I could definitely throw that ball over the mountains. I can.

[Dan Fates]

Back to the awards.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay.

[Dan Fates]

Host away.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Host away. I have them written down.

[Mike Catalana]

We'll talk about old school like Dan.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I like that.

[Mike Catalana]

Notes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

All right, so. Oh, let me get to my text message thread.

[Dan Fates]

Good podcast.

[Mike Catalana]

You know how to use.

[Jenna Cottrell]

We went with let's start with most improved.

[Dan Fates]

I think we're all going to be on the same page here. We'll say three. One, two, three.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Look at that, guys. Inside. We did it.

[Jenna Cottrell]

We did it. All right. I have. We've talked about on this channel going into this season, when Kair had a nice spring, I was like, that's cute. We'll see if he can continue that. But what we have seen throughout camp, he's made big splash plays. He's looked good in coverage. He's been working in with the ones. Realistically, do I think he's pushing for a number one spot to take over Christian Benford or Rasul Douglas? No, but I've been really happy with what I've seen from a guy that I originally thought I don't know how long he'll be in Buffalo or how impactful he'd be with the team.

[Mike Catalana]

What I wanted to add to that is we're staying at camp and he's been great at camp. This started in the spring.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

He looked different in the spring and he's playing with confidence. And Sean basically referred to him as the number three corner.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Now that may not seem he was former number one like you said but last year he was like six. You know like you always say break glass for emergency. That's who he was. He didn't play until they had to have him on the field. He's back, he's back as a legitimate player on the team and now we'll see how he is in the game. But he's definitely made progress.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, can be a contributor not in case of emergency but because of his play. And again I know it's tough to see your third corner as a former number first round pick that you traded up for but if you just look back zoom out a little bit where he was last year, there's no question of the progress that he's been able to make which I think is a big asset for this team to have corners get nicked up. Benford's been nicked up several times in his career. We saw Rasool Douglas go out the end of last year. You need to have corners and to have one kind of. It was Dane Jackson for a while like to have, hey, this guy's always dependable.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Levi Wallace consistent.

[Dan Fates]

That's what Sean said was the consistency that he has seen out of Kair which has been a big plus.

[Mike Catalana]

Go ahead.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I think too what was interesting when we talked to Dion Dawkins earlier in camp he said I think Kair has done a great job of eliminating this distractions both inside and outside. And that to me kind of I was like oh that's interesting because the outside I think refers to, you know, the noise about what he can be as a player but the inside with there being a new defensive backs coach, I think that to me is okay. That maybe that equates to having that out or the inside noise, excuse me, with there being a fresh face there.

[Mike Catalana]

I think that's bigger. I think the coaching is bigger. John Butler didn't like him.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, I was trying to be nice about saying that.

[Mike Catalana]

No, he didn't like him. He didn't like him as a player. I don't know personally but he didn't want him on the field. Didn't trust him. Didn't want him on the field.

[Dan Fates]

We're not in the building, but pretty clear how different Kyer looks without John Butler.

[Mike Catalana]

And changing his number. I'm telling you, he loves that number five.

[Dan Fates]

And the most fascinating thing.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Cinco Savage.

[Mike Catalana]

That's it.

[Dan Fates]

The most fascinating thing we have found out about Kair is the amount that that man sweats.

[Mike Catalana]

It's absurd.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I can't unsee it.

[Dan Fates]

Three pairs of cleats during games and during practices. He looks like he's just jumped out of the shower with full pads on his shoes.

[Mike Catalana]

It's like he steps and you see.

[Dan Fates]

Them and it's a puddle.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

What his girlfriend say about hot yoga.

[Mike Catalana]

Hot yoga. They have to just drape towels around him because he gets. He sweats.

[Dan Fates]

Picture him in, like, a little kiddie pool. And for anyone to make sure he doesn't ruin the rest of the studio.

[Mike Catalana]

For anyone who is attempting to lose weight, he says, what, six, seven pounds of practice?

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Dang.

[Mike Catalana]

That he loses sweating.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Have you guys done hot yoga?

[Dan Fates]

Yeah, once I tried it. We did it together. We did the spinning. Spinning in yoga.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I do remember that now.

[Dan Fates]

Renee was there, too.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, yeah. Yes, I remember that.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah. Did he sweat that much?

[Dan Fates]

Nope. I don't think anybody sweats that much.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I don't think anyone does. Okay, next player. We're gonna go MIA during camp.

[Mike Catalana]

I actually have a few of those.

[Dan Fates]

Go first. Michael.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I would say. Why don't you start?

[Mike Catalana]

Chase Claypool.

[Dan Fates]

That's one.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That's very fair.

[Mike Catalana]

I just saw him sign an autograph. He's been great with the Fish fans. He got hurt.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

He had a couple of plays early in camp. He is physically jacked. He is in great shape.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He looks like a statue.

[Mike Catalana]

He does. But I don't know if he's. His money doesn't keep him on the team. I don't know what the plan is. Now. Let's see. Let's see where we are in another couple. But he needs to be on the field. And not that there was some guarantee, because I know a lot of you were very iffy. Like, we were on bringing him in here, but they took a shot. Mia. Really?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

I'll go with Mike Edwards.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Another guy that we just haven't seen, period.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That's.

[Dan Fates]

And again, I know these. These mia, sometimes it's like, you know, the play on the field. Another guy I was just kind of thinking of was Tight Johnson, but he's another guy that. That's been injured. We Just haven't seen them get the reps. And again, it's more for Mike Edwards who just hasn't been in the system at all.

[Mike Catalana]

I don't want to interrupt you. Let Jenna go, but I don't want to interrupt you. I'll let Jenna go. But what I wanted to say is the main difference between Ty Johnson and those guys is Ty Johnson has been in the system. In the system. But Mike Edwards was counted on. Even when I mentioned, you know, when you talk about Chase Claypool, there was hope there. Mike Edwards, I, I think they penciled him in as the starter and he's. He's not been on the field and it's a hamstring. And that is really, I think, to your point, that may be the most impactful of all of them because of what, you know, Claypol could contribute. Some of these other guys, I was going to mention Justin Shorter just because.

[Dan Fates]

I was going to mention Shorter because he's just been passed. He's just. Guys have passed.

[Mike Catalana]

Other guys have passed him.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Now he's got a knee injury.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I was going to do Mike Edwards, too, just because of what you talked about, how the expectation was essentially he was going to be the starter. And now to see that he didn't get on the field much in spring. He hasn't been able to get much on the field. Field this summer. And the injury that he does have, it's just. It is very concerning. I do want to mention, though, I feel like. What?

[Mike Catalana]

Go ahead.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, I, I do feel like I have not given enough credit to demar Hamlin, I know you.

[Dan Fates]

When you were saying some people penciled Mike Edwards in as the starter, I said some people. I was going to interrupt you and say some people didn't.

[Mike Catalana]

I will tell you this. I do not believe this team planned on or wanted demar to be the starter. I think they're comfortable in him being that third safety because he's been around. That's not the plan coming in, but it may. I mean, look, they drafted a kid in the second round. He's been hurt. They signed a free agent who's a veteran, who's been around, he's been hurt. And Demar, to his credit, has stepped in and played. Was not the plan. I don't believe it's the plan, but it may be one. What they end up having to do.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, I think, I think absolutely both things are true. I think that they.

[Dan Fates]

Credit to both of us, mainly credit to me.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay.

[Mike Catalana]

The other guy I wanted to mention.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay. Okay.

[Mike Catalana]

And this is probably not fair at all, but he's out there. Is Cedric Van Pran. Pran Granger. I always want to say Pan Granger. Bran Granger. Okay. Only because a lot of you thought they drafted him. He's a Georgia guy. He's gonna come in. Maybe he just has not been somebody that they've talked about. Doesn't mean he won't be good eventually. Doesn't mean at some point he won't be the center on this team and he'll get to play in the preseason. But the only reason I say that is because he just has not been talked about because he doesn't get that many opportunities.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I mean, you could talk about the rest of this draft class and how they have been able to flash even though Cole Bishop obviously has the injury. But he made some nice plays, even Hardy.

[Dan Fates]

Who?

[Jenna Cottrell]

A guy that we're like, oh, he'll be the return guy. But, yeah, I could definitely see why you would say that. And I feel like people come up to us and ask us, but it's like we really haven't.

[Dan Fates]

Carter's got some reps with the ones mixed in. So, yeah, he's. There have been a few of them.

[Mike Catalana]

That, yeah, haven't done anything when it wasn't McGovern. It's Alec Anderson.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Correct.

[Mike Catalana]

Alex Anderson getting the snapshot. Yeah. Alec.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. Okay, let's go to biggest surprise. The biggest surprise of training camp. And I wanna. I wanna remind you all that there is training camp darling still available and pass catcher of camp.

[Mike Catalana]

Okay.

[Jenna Cottrell]

My biggest surprise is Tyrell Shavers. I. When I looked at the wide receivers on the roster card, I saw the names and I saw Justin Shorter and I was like, oh, yeah, Tyrell Shavers. He was on the practice squad. I think he's done such a nice job of being consistent and every day, kind of, for the most part, growing in a positive progression. Does that mean he will be on this roster? Does that mean that he will be, you know, out there starting? I don't know. I. I would be surprised by that. But he, to me, is just someone that I had zero expectations of. And he has made people pay attention to him in a way that I. I don't think anyone was expecting kind of surprise.

[Dan Fates]

I'll go. Von Miller.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Wow.

[Dan Fates]

I think Vaughn, no knee brace has flashed at times. It's also partly because Mia had such little expectations. We have talked about what would be a successful season for Vaughn, but we caught up with him today after practice to ask him. Guys always work on certain things at training Camp what was important for him and the biggest change this camp and this is what Vaughn had to say.

[Von Miller]

I think it was I played a lot of football, I played, I got a lot of snaps, I've been in a lot of situations. For me it was, the big question for me was how was I going to feel, you know, out here health wise and I'm in a great spot, I feel great and I think like I said before, health is wealth and you know, feeling great on the football field leading to that mental aspect of the game that we was talking about earlier and you know, yeah, I feel great and that'll lead to, you know, success on the field for me for sure.

[Dan Fates]

Again, again, again, again. I think that there is something that hopefully Vaughn is finding something. Whether he said he felt great last year and tried to play through it but then he said I really shouldn't have played at all. Twelve months later, that's to be decided. Von loves talking to the media. He's been in the league for a long time. But again, if they can find a part of Von Miller that he used to be, it'd be a big addition.

[Mike Catalana]

So I'm going to equate this to what you were saying about Kair Elam.

[Dan Fates]

You said that was me.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, I was going to say I didn't think I said that because you said he's a former first round pick. Just like Von gets a lot of money at this point, it impacts the roster in a way but it really doesn't matter. The fact that Vaughn makes a lot of money puts him on the roster. My point is I believe he's going to be more of a specialty player. His snaps are going to come in the very, not very obvious, mostly obvious passing downs and they're going to try to get the most out of him. That's a lot of money to pay a guy but they're paying as a niche role, they are paying him. But I think it's the smart way to go and like with Elam, I think the smart way to go even though he's a former number one who's making a lot more money than Christian Benford is. Yeah, he is going to play that role. He's on your roster because partially because of the contract, maybe you always say that but you got to make it work.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I do think we've seen a difference though this camp and even Vaughn talked about the mental part is almost he said it was 90% and I, I do think that with an injury like that it is not an oil change. It Takes time to recover physically. Physically, it takes time to recover. What an idiot. Physically, it takes time to recover. But I think mentally is the biggest hurdle because can you trust that leg? Do you feel comfortable cutting and twitch movement movements and stuff like that? And we've just seen way more of that on the field. Over here.

[Mike Catalana]

Catching another one. I didn't do that.

[Dan Fates]

All right, who's your biggest surprise?

[Mike Catalana]

Matt Collins is a pass catcher. Listen, when they signed him, I was like, listen, great. I wanted to get that in there. You kept getting in the agains. I wanted to get the. Listen, when they signed him, I was like, eh, special teams guy. He'll be here. He's gonna be part of the offense.

[Dan Fates]

I think so.

[Mike Catalana]

He catches the football.

[Dan Fates]

Number one on the depth chart. He's a starting wide receiver on the first depth chart that comes out.

[Mike Catalana]

And I think he. He has played that role. I think he is energetic. But, you know, some guys can be that and then they don't deliver. I think this guy's been around long enough. He will make some plays for them. I did not see him in any form coming in after signing with the team. As I think of Matt Collins, I was like, fifth guy. Special teams, he's better than that.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Exactly what I thought.

[Mike Catalana]

And I have a source that told me, ate lasagna with his hands.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Oh, I hate that so deeply.

[Dan Fates]

It's again, a lot of people cringe. When I sat down with Mac, he's always conscientious of washing his hands.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes.

[Dan Fates]

So it's not the hygiene. It's the fact of. That's a tough thing to eat with your hands.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That's the. The optics. It's not the hygiene. Yeah, I trust that he washes his hands. It's just like the optics of seeing that.

[Mike Catalana]

I don't worry about the washing of the hands because, listen, you eat with your hands with a lot of food.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, you're right.

[Mike Catalana]

That's one that you're like. That takes some effort.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Slippery.

[Mike Catalana]

Lasagna with the hands.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay. I just don't.

[Dan Fates]

Moving right along.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I don't like that at all. Okay, you want to. Okay, so the next one, training camp, darling. Matt Collins, I would agree with that.

[Dan Fates]

The way that he's interacted. I think the story of getting out there, people getting to know him a little bit more credit to me has really, really. People loved it. Max loved it. He's embraced it. He assigned. I counted 742,521 autographs. Unbelievable.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He's usually the last player out signing autographs.

[Dan Fates]

That's a big training camp darling.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I agree, I agree.

[Dan Fates]

Autographs.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, I agree. But I. I think for so long, I think last year was Andy Isabella, a guy who, you know, was cute. If he made the roster, all that stuff. Mac, like you talked about, will have way more of a role than I was expecting. So I think that the training camp darling definition in my eyes has changed for this summer. But that being said, I completely think that it is. It is him. Because the embrace and he's got. And like the signs, people, it's just people want to talk about Mac.

[Mike Catalana]

I agree with you with that. The response. And he's been awesome. The keon gets the response from the fans. Now, listen, he's been a little more serious. He signed autographs, but he's not like Mack. I mean, Matt's out there long term. If you're in this place. So in the building, we can say. I would agree with that. From outside, I believe it's Tyrell Shavers. If somebody's sitting at home hearing all.

[Dan Fates]

This stuff, Sean McDermott singling him out.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Again, he loves him.

[Mike Catalana]

So when I say that, I mean going forward, like all through. And I think I said, again, again, again, again, again. I think he's going to get a lot of snaps in the preseason and make some plays and that Darling is going to continue.

[Dan Fates]

Sean was asked a question about if there's any veteran or anybody that has surprised you at camp. And in classic Sean McDermott fashion, he's like, I've been impressed with all the battles. And he's like, I know that's a cop out of a question. Later on in the question, he goes, and Tyrell Shavers, like he always wants to loop things in. It was an unprompted time for Sean to make a Tyrell Shavers note. I thought, that's very telling.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I don't want to get off track. But he did also mention Tyler Bass in his answer.

[Dan Fates]

He loves his work. I tweeted it out. I can't remember what it was. He's in his work.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I was like, that's, you know, pumping your guys tires, in my opinion, 1,000%. Yeah. You got this, buddy.

[Mike Catalana]

Sean is watching and you guys mentioned when we talked about the roster for camp, no other kicker like what he's.

[Dan Fates]

Seen from Tyler Bass.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, I haven't. Sorry, Sean. I. I haven't. And we were watching him kick the ball. It just doesn't. He has preseason. He did say. Sean did say there may be circumstances where I would normally go for it, where we may Kick the ball.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

I'll say this. If you're confident in your kicker, that's not what you feel the need to do sometimes. We'd watch. Even last summer, you'd be saying, why are you kicking this 41 yard field goal? It's Tyler Bass. He's fine. Great holder, great snap. You're not worried about it. Use your offense. Now. It's the opposite. There is a concern. He is trying to pump him up, but he's got to be good because that is a worry.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. When he said that, I was like, whoa, not. Oh, sorry, Mike.

[Dan Fates]

I think that goes right into our next award. The biggest concern for me, it's kicking. I have. I'm out. I'm out. Concerned.

[Jenna Cottrell]

You're concerned.

[Dan Fates]

I have a. I have a slight concern with Tyler Bass.

[Mike Catalana]

So he's finally.

[Jenna Cottrell]

So credit to us.

[Mike Catalana]

Credit to us because we were.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Credit to me, actually, because I started it.

[Mike Catalana]

How do I not even get part of that credit?

[Jenna Cottrell]

Because you've had a lot of credits. I mean that in a great way.

[Mike Catalana]

I'm giving myself credit.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Credit.

[Mike Catalana]

We talked about it last year and you mentioned this, and then it became an issue and they lost confidence. They're trying to build that back up. He's a talented guy that they paid. So that does.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Factors in things a little bit. So let's go see. But my biggest concern, I think we're.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Gonna have the same one.

[Mike Catalana]

I'm concerned about Matt Milano.

[Dan Fates]

Oh, no.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Not what I was expecting.

[Dan Fates]

That ain't it.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I was gonna go.

[Dan Fates]

James Cook, also a good concern. Second genis.

[Mike Catalana]

The reason. The reason I say Milano is my expectations for Matt Milano are. Matt Milano, great point player. When they talk about the injury, Babich McDermott, they're all like, yeah, he's coming back. He's stacking days. He's whatever. My feeling is, we may be hearing that. I hope not. I hope by week one, he is flying around. He made a play yesterday on James Cook in the flat, and I turned to you guys and said I liked it. And then Sean mentioned that play today. It was great. He looked like Milano because Cook is good in the open field and he stopped him. My worry is that we're going to be in October and that may still be a conversation. Obviously, this injury was a lot.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Because we're thinking at the end of the year, could Milano come back? No. Here we are. It's going to be preseason and he's still not physically Matt Milano. That is because I have high expectations for him as a player. I Hope that my fears are just overthinking.

[Dan Fates]

But I've seen enough of what I need to see in training camp of Matt Milano. I've seen him cover running backs in the flat like you said. I've seen him tackle Curtis Samuel. I've seen him tackle James Cook again, some of these seven on sevens. There have been passes completed against him. It's seven on seven. I'm not worried about catches by Dawson Knox or. Or Dalton Kincaid. Not word.

[Mike Catalana]

I hope you're right. I hope for this case you can take credit. I want you to be able to take credit.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But don't say that.

[Mike Catalana]

I hope that for the first time in my career I'm wrong.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I. While I worry that he's not, I think he's way closer than it is to be an issue, if that makes sense.

[Mike Catalana]

I hope so.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I think he is closer to being who he was than who. Who he was recovering from injury wise. So good.

[Dan Fates]

All right, last one.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Last one.

[Dan Fates]

Position we're most confident in outside of.

[Mike Catalana]

Well, we have pass catcher, though.

[Dan Fates]

Okay.

[Jenna Cottrell]

What was. What is the one you said?

[Dan Fates]

And then position where most group.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah, right.

[Jenna Cottrell]

How do we.

[Mike Catalana]

All right.

[Dan Fates]

Pass catcher of Cam.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Let's do pass catcher.

[Dan Fates]

3, 2, 1.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Kincaid.

[Mike Catalana]

Oh, I look at it differently. I separate Kincaid and honestly, I'm putting Shakira in there too. They're really good. I expect it. They're very good. They rarely run a poor route.

[Jenna Cottrell]

So. Not mbs. Just wanted to make sure we were all.

[Dan Fates]

I have concerns about Keon getting a release about press coverage.

[Mike Catalana]

I just. He is better than I thought he was going to be.

[Dan Fates]

I don't know who's going to stop Kincaid. A lot of games.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He's not being talked about either nationally, which is shocking to me.

[Mike Catalana]

Kincaid.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, he's really not good.

[Dan Fates]

It's a second year tight end. It's tough to ask him to be a Travis Kelce, which I think sometimes the expectations get ahead of themselves.

[Mike Catalana]

But he performed at a pretty high level last year. He just. He looks good all the time. All the time. He looks everything. But Shakir is right there. No, I'm approaching the question.

[Jenna Cottrell]

This is actually the perfect spot for me.

[Mike Catalana]

I approach the question differently because my expectations for both of them are here and they met it. So I'm looking at it just from the difference of what I saw at camp and I thought Keon showed not just going up to get the ball, high end ability. And I'm with you. He's going to have to learn a bunch of other stuff.

[Dan Fates]

He's got to get more things in his tool belt. He's got to give him time.

[Mike Catalana]

But the kid's got talent, no question.

[Dan Fates]

He definitely has talent, no question.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I was shocked at the contested catches and how well that has looked above the. But not even always above the rim. Like. Like tight. Yes, but tight windows, all that stuff.

[Mike Catalana]

Red zone.

[Dan Fates]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

Red zone. He's good. He's good in the red zone.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

And we've seen him cross in the field. We've seen him go high, we've seen him catch back shoulder. He's done all those things. Now it's got to translate to the. To the real game.

[Jenna Cottrell]

You see all the potential.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I think we both said Kincaid because day in, day out, he just. He looked great.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Smooth.

[Dan Fates]

There was never a ball that was thrown to him where I went, oh, he should have caught that.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I completely agree.

[Mike Catalana]

I just wanted officially on the record, I wanted officially on the record that I'm all in that Kincaid. Yeah, he's the best pass catcher.

[Dan Fates]

And I'm in on Coleman. I'm just saying Coleman.

[Mike Catalana]

It's just the way we looked at the question.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, we were just figuring it out.

[Dan Fates]

It's a long pod, the last one position group we're most confident in, not quarterbacks. I'd like to go first.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Okay.

[Dan Fates]

We have our sponsor too.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Also over here, Greg Connors. Look at that.

[Dan Fates]

And he's getting a sneak peek. For me, it's cornerbacks. The emergence of Kyer Elam. Jamarcus Ingram has been another guy that I think we've been wanting to talk about at camp. And even Hardy as a rookie had an interception, showed flashes where I thought, okay, maybe he's not just a returner. He could be the break glass in case of emergency. Cam Lewis alternating in and out. I thought he had a strong camp. All of those things make me feel very confident knowing that you are going to go in a league that is going four and five wide receivers more often. You need corners. They get nicked up, all those things. Very confident in the corners.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I would agree. I, going into camp wanted to see how things would play out because you had those two guys that were so established but what would be behind them? Obviously Taron Johnson, what he is. I do feel very confident with the progression of Kair. You mentioned Jamarcus Ingram. That's someone that really has had some.

[Dan Fates]

Nice long, lengthy physical corner has had.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Really nice moments throughout camp who I was not expecting. So I, I would agree with that.

[Mike Catalana]

A nice talk with Ingram today. He talked about confidence and he was just saying is as a corner, he's learned, like. And that's what he's learned from a lot of the other corners is you got to have it, you got to bring it. You get beat on something, you got to come right back. And I think he certainly looks like a guy who's playing with more of that when he's out there on the field. You want to go second?

[Jenna Cottrell]

No. You going with backs?

[Mike Catalana]

I'm going with offensive line.

[Jenna Cottrell]

That, to me, is like, really the.

[Dan Fates]

Only issues with snaps. I got issues with snaps.

[Mike Catalana]

So negative.

[Jenna Cottrell]

What did. What did Connor McGovern say today?

[Dan Fates]

He talks about butt cheeks.

[Mike Catalana]

He did.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Butt cheeks are like smashes.

[Mike Catalana]

That's what your conversation was.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Those are Fates's questions.

[Dan Fates]

He talked about that Mitch would snap it more to his right butt cheek and that Josh likes it more in the middle. And then I just giggled like a 12 year old.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah, he did say butt cheeks.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

It's funny.

[Jenna Cottrell]

I hear you.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Jenna Cottrell]

In my head, it. I felt like you could go cornerbacks, you could go offensive line, but I do feel more comfortable in cornerbacks.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Jenna Cottrell]

But other, like, let's really talk about other spots, though.

[Dan Fates]

Ryan Vandermark, I like the depth that they have.

[Mike Catalana]

They do.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah.

[Mike Catalana]

Anderson Vandermark, those guys can play. You know, it's. It's Edwards. It's a key role, but I think McGovern showed he could play last year. I think.

[Dan Fates]

Yep.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes, the snaps are important, but I think he's good.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He did say he's looking forward to Saturday to be able to take some of those live reps, have the pass rush, have that, you know, in game situations and.

[Mike Catalana]

Right.

[Jenna Cottrell]

All that experience is going to be very helpful.

[Dan Fates]

It's a wrap.

[Jenna Cottrell]

All right. Anything else, gentlemen?

[Dan Fates]

MBS caught a deep ball today and dropped one.

[Mike Catalana]

Dropped one right after.

[Dan Fates]

Bad throw. Needed to be higher. MBS is so tall and fast and athletic that Josh is.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It doesn't have long.

[Mike Catalana]

You go ahead, embrace that. He caught one. Yay.

[Jenna Cottrell]

It was a great. It was a great ball.

[Mike Catalana]

Great ball. He ran down. He caught it. Next time he thrown his way. Just clanked off his hands. Again, I will emphasize. And I said again. Again, I will emphasize. This is not his issue.

[Dan Fates]

I want to make the shirt Fates. MVS versus the world. It's Fates.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Like Buffalo versus Buffalo versus Everyone.

[Mike Catalana]

An MVS issue. This is DJF issue.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yes.

[Mike Catalana]

This is all about Daniel.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Yeah. All right. So as we wrap up.

[Mike Catalana]

Yeah.

[Dan Fates]

Tons of.

[Mike Catalana]

Yes.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe, share. We always appreciate it. We just want to mention to everyone. You want to read that, Dan.

[Mike Catalana]

Three.

[Dan Fates]

Days I haven't run into a jugs machine.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Really proud of you.

[Dan Fates]

Thank you.

[Jenna Cottrell]

He's stacking, stacking days.

[Mike Catalana]

He's stacking days, not run into the jugs machine.

[Jenna Cottrell]

Love that.

[Mike Catalana]

So we're at three and counting. We have faith in you. We do. We did make it a week. We did it, Joe.

[Jenna Cottrell]

All right. For Mike Catalana and Dan Fates, I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share. Thank you so much for watching the Buffalo Channel, presented by Connors and Ferris. We'll catch you next time here. See you later.

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[Mike Catalana]

So close.

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