BILLS vs Chiefs LIVE preview: Why 'NOBODY* IS EATING' for JOSH ALLEN at wide receiver

Summary

Buffalo Plus: BILLS vs Chiefs LIVE Preview

Episode Theme & Purpose

A detailed live preview of the upcoming Buffalo Bills vs Kansas City Chiefs game, focusing especially on the state of the Bills’ wide receiver group—why none have emerged as a reliable threat for Josh Allen to “eat”—and what that means for the team heading into a pivotal matchup. The Buffalo Plus team (Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes) draws on their insider experience to break down roster decisions, recent performances, and big-picture implications.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The “Nobody is Eating” at Wide Receiver Theme

• Opening Rant (00:00): Mike expresses frustration with the “everybody eats” philosophy. “I want somebody to be that good on this wide receiver group that he's just a pig and he just stays up there, just eats everything. Right? You saw Drake London... Let's just throw it to this guy, like, 15 times in the game.”
• Dan builds on the metaphor: “Get rolled out of a buffet. That's what I want.” (00:18)

Context: The team laments the lack of a dominant wide receiver presence for the Bills, wishing that Allen truly had a go-to, matchup-winning target.

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2. Big Picture Significance of Bills vs Chiefs (03:34)

• This matchup is unique; both teams are currently second in their divisions, not playing for the #1 seed as in previous years.

• “This game is vital both for now and for the future. Both those teams.” - Mike (02:44)

• Dan adds that while the Chiefs are on an “uptick,” both teams need wins for playoff leverage, but don’t overreact to the result—it may not fully decide playoff seeding.

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3. Recap and Relevance of the Panthers Game

• Dan and Mike debate the importance of Buffalo’s blowout win against Carolina—a confidence builder, but “just a spot to get right” (07:24), not necessarily a sign the team is playoff ready, especially on offense.
• Josh Allen and Sean McDermott both called it “the standard,” but the panel agrees the litmus test is against top teams like the Chiefs.

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4. Strengths: James Cook & the Run Game (09:14)

• Jenna highlights James Cook’s consistency and dynamic play: “That is what they're putting their horses to is James Cook and his ability to run.”
• Mike: “James Cook has been their most consistent player and high end player. I think this season to this point, he's been their best player, no question.” (09:31)

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5. The Broken Passing Game, Allen’s Support

• Jenna: “The passing game has left some things to be desired... is Josh Allen broken?” (10:22)
• Dan: “No, Josh Allen isn't broken... The players around him— they're failing Josh. He can't throw and catch the ball... Guys have to win and when players have had good games [see: Kincaid], Josh will reward you.” (10:36–12:15)
• The group universally agrees that the wide receiver group lacks the necessary talent and no one in the crowd raises their hand to defend them (12:41).

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6. Gabe Davis, Keon Coleman, and WR Roster Moves

• Discussion of potentially elevating Gabe Davis (13:06ff):
  • Dan is skeptical: “He'll have a jersey and a helmet. I just don't know what is left in Gabe Davis's game now.” (13:31)
• Mike argues McDermott is pushing competition—“not a terrible thing for guys in that wide receiver room to see a guy there who's had success with Josh Allen ready to go on the field” (14:32)
• But Dan counters that Coleman hasn’t truly earned his playing time: “There has never been a player that has been given so much that has done so little as Keon Coleman.” (15:50)

Key Insight: Roster politics and meritocracy at wide receiver are not matching up— Coleman has not lived up to front-office expectations.

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7. Trade Deadline Talk—Will the Bills Move for a WR?

• Jenna asks, “What would you say right now is your expectation percentage-wise, that the Bills would make a trade before the trade deadline?” (17:08)
• Mike: “A trade, 50%. ... I don't even think about wide receiver.”
• Dan: “I think it's like a 5% chance they trade for a wide receiver. ... If they trade for a wide receiver, that is all I need to know about Keon Coleman.” (17:40)

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8. Steve Smith’s Critique of Keon Coleman and Response

• Dan, quoting Smith: “You can't teach a dog to bark. Either you got it or not.” (20:01)
• Keon’s response: “No, no comment. Next question.” (20:32)
• Mike: “If you just get ticked off and you want to prove Steve Smith wrong, that would be great... I just don't know if he's got that in him.” (20:48 - 21:19)

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9. Playcalling, Joe Brady, and Accountability

• Jenna notes a defensive attitude in Joe Brady’s recent answers: “Sometimes I feel like it can always be better... so to say, like, well, we didn't need to pass the ball, I wonder if there's a little bit of ego in that answer.” (21:51)
• Mike is more concerned with accountability, particularly when McDermott criticizes the offense for being “too cute.” (22:56)

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10. Injuries, Defensive Rotation, and ‘Meritocracy’

• Panel notes an increased rotation due to injuries and performance (“it’s a meritocracy on defense”—Mike (26:27)).
• Sean McDermott is managing benchings delicately, as in Taylor Rapp’s situation, protecting player reputations when performance necessitates changes.

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11. Questions from the Crowd (31:00+)

• On Bean’s approach and the WR room:

  • Nigel: “Is [Brandon Bean] on the hot seat?” (31:20)
  • All: No, Bean and McDermott aren't on the hot seat unless the season completely collapses, but there is increased scrutiny of the WR decision-making.
  • “Bitching about wide receiver is the dumbest argument I've heard.” –- Jenna, quoting Bean (31:58)
  • Dan: “The offense has issues... Chiefs have never been complacent, always aggressive about adding to the WR room.” (32:33)

• On pushing for answers about WRs post-game:

  • Greg asks if they’ll press coaches/Bean about WR moves. They explain the challenge (coaches answer weekly; GM Bean does not) (36:39)

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12. National Narrative & The Chiefs Comparison

• National media is finally “catching up” on the Bills’ lack of WR weapons: “It is almost like an avalanche of a narrative at the moment.” – Mike (41:15)
• Dan: The trade for Xavier Worthy (now starring for KC) will be a national broadcast storyline and ongoing comparison versus Keon Coleman (40:34)

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13. Can the Offense Match Up with the Chiefs?

• Bills receivers didn’t complete a single pass beyond the line of scrimmage to a WR in the first half vs Carolina. “That's not good enough with Josh Allen as your quarterback.” – Mike (44:12)
• Dalton Kincaid praised as their most dynamic pass-catcher (but still not a true WR threat) (47:26)

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14. Game Picks and Predictions (49:10+)

• All hosts pick the Chiefs to win, feeling KC is in better current form and the Bills lack firepower.
  • Jenna: “...I just don't have the thoughts that the Bills can stay up with a track meet if that's what Kansas City gets this game into.”
  • Mike: “There's just too many things that need to go right for them.”
  • Dan: “There are a couple ways the Chiefs can win and maybe only one or two ways the Bills can.”
• No panic, but real concern the Bills offense is outgunned at present.

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15. “Picasso Player of the Game” / What Has to Happen for the Bills to Win

• Mike: “Joe Brady needs a big game. Run the ball. Get the ball out of Josh's hands... Blitz beaters for him...” (56:34)
• Dan: “We need to see special Josh Allen... He's going to have to make some plays.” (57:42)
• Jenna: Defensive impact needed from front seven, specifically Rousseau and Bosa.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On WR accountability:
  “There has never been a player that has been given so much that has done so little as Keon Coleman.” – Dan (15:50)

• On national media finally noticing Bills WR issues:
  “It is almost like an avalanche of a narrative at the moment... This is what's going to hold them back.” – Mike (41:15)

• On Josh Allen needing help:
  “I tweeted that in Atlanta. He deserves better. They do not have the talent for him.” – Mike (16:42)

• On playcalling and ego:
  “The best thing he did for this team was to increase their ability to be physical and run the football. But to marry that with the passing game... That is hard to replicate.” – Mike (47:26–48:01)

• On game forecast:
  “There's just too many things that need to go right for them. I think they're too good of a team to have this many question marks at this part of the year.” – Mike (53:42)

• On the 'everybody eats' philosophy:
  “I'm so sick of that saying, everybody eats. I want somebody to be that good... that he's just a pig and he just stays up there, just eats everything.” – Mike (00:00, repeated at 45:29)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:00 – “Everybody eats” rant, opening theme
• 02:44 – Why Bills-Chiefs is especially significant this year
• 09:14 – Praise for James Cook and the run game
• 10:36 – Breakdown of Bills’ passing game struggles and Allen’s lack of support
• 13:06 – Will Gabe Davis return? Debate over his potential impact
• 15:50 – Critique of Keon Coleman’s handed-down opportunity
• 17:08 – Trade deadline probabilities for WR
• 20:16 – Steve Smith’s “you can’t teach a dog to bark” quote/Keon’s response
• 27:00 – Discussion on defensive rotation, meritocracy, benchings
• 31:20 – Crowd Q&A: Is Bean on the hot seat over the WR room?
• 41:15 – National narrative now catching up about the Bills WR problems
• 44:12 – Shocking WR stat vs Carolina
• 47:26 – Dalton Kincaid’s role as top passing threat
• 49:10 – Picks and predictions: all hosts take KC
• 56:34 – What the Bills need to do to win; “Picasso Player of the Game”

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Tone & Style

Lively, candid, and often humorous; the show blends strong opinions, insider reporting, and audience interaction. The rapport between Mike, Jenna, and Dan adds color to sharp, critical analysis, with local flavor and Bills fandom evident throughout.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode provides a no-holds-barred look at the Bills' glaring receiver issues (“nobody is eating”), their relative strengths (James Cook, defensive talent influx), and the daunting challenge facing them as they face Kansas City. The podcast doesn’t shy from tough opinions—on roster moves and player performance—but balances frustration with humor and community, setting the stage for a crucial AFC showdown.

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Transcript

[Mike]

I'm so sick of that saying, everybody eats. I want somebody to be that good on this wide receiver group that he's just a pig and he just stays up there, just eats everything, Right? You saw Drake London. They were like, oh, let's just throw it to this guy. Like, 15 times in the game, somebody.

[Dan]

Get rolled out of a buffet. Like, that's. That's what I want. This is the Buffalo plus podcast.

[Jenna]

All right. Hello and welcome in Buffalo plus live here, presented by Bud Light. We're here at the Distillery on Mount Hopeab. Giving a round of applause, everyone.

[Dan]

Great crowd.

[Jenna]

Great crowd today, getting to meet so many people.

[Dan]

Shout out, Bud Light.

[Jenna]

Shout out, Bud Light. Dan is about to crack his.

[Mike]

There we go. I knew that was happening.

[Jenna]

All right.

[Dan]

Still cold.

[Jenna]

Imagine that. All right, that's my catalana. That is Dan Fates. I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe, and share. We always appreciate it. All right, thank you so much, everyone, for joining us here at the Distillery on Mount Hope ab. Once again, thank you to Bud Light. We're here and we're. We're excited. We're talking Bills and Chiefs.

[Dan]

The Bud Light tour rolls on.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Dan]

This is our fifth or sixth stop. Fourth. Fifth there. I'm losing count.

[Mike]

Doesn't matter.

[Jenna]

All right, we have.

[Dan]

We learned about the United States earlier. It was off air. We've learned about the United States.

[Jenna]

We've had a lot of people come in for this. Always cool to see. And, Mike, we got to meet some people tonight in all the way from Alaska.

[Mike]

Yeah, Kevin and Sue came from Alaska. They said there was family here, too, but I think they were just here to see us. So they're here.

[Dan]

They got the prime seats.

[Mike]

Look at that.

[Dan]

They even gave my daughters a moose, which is very cool. And I'm sure that all three of them will be fighting over.

[Mike]

I was going to say who gets.

[Dan]

To sleep with the moose. Awesome. So shout out to them. Very much appreciated. Seriously, guys, thank you so much.

[Jenna]

That is awesome.

[Dan]

And I learned. We learned this off air, but I'm brave enough to admit I learned that Alaska is not part of the continental United States.

[Mike]

There's a room. There's hundreds of people here. Everybody but Dan knew that.

[Jenna]

He's like, we're all learning together. No, we're not.

[Dan]

That was all the same continent.

[Mike]

That's not what that means.

[Dan]

Let's talk cheats.

[Mike]

All right, here we go. Let's roll.

[Jenna]

Okay, Bill's Chiefs coming up on Sunday. Big game for both these teams. And, Mike, I do Feel like this matchup is a little bit different this season.

[Mike]

It's different this year because when you look at the Bills at the moment and the Chiefs, you know, because the Chiefs have been getting a lot of love lately and they've played better. Both these teams are in second place. Like they're not leading their divisions. So this game is vital to both teams. The team that loses this game on Sunday puts themselves in a really rough spot to win the division. And with that goes the home games and the potential for the 1 seed or the 2 seed. It all goes that way. So it's a little different than what we've seen in the past. And like I said, even though Kansas City has been on a little more of an uptick, they're still in trouble because they've lost three games leading into this game. So this game is vital both for now and for the future. Both those teams.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think you have to take both of that into account. To say the Chiefs are on a little bit of an uptick, I think is downplaying it a little bit. I think they're playing outside of the Colts the best football in the NFL. Like, like they, that is why it's always so key and you always talk about it and always make the great point, Mike. It's not who you play, it's when you play them. And I was talking to some people today, you know, you kind of gauge where the fan base is in terms of Sunday's game. And it was like the consensus is a little scared, a little nervous, which I, which I think is fair. Now if you were to play the Chiefs back in week two or three, I, I would think completely different about this game. That's the, the short term picture. The big picture is no matter what happens and you're right because of both teams are not only in, in years past it's been the one seed home field advantage could be decided. This could be the tie breaking game. This is much more about these teams need wins. But the perspective I wanted kind of big picture Dan, not overreacting. You know how I don't overreact. You think about last year, the Bills beat the Chiefs, handed them their first loss and it was like oh, now the Bills are going to have the advantage that could be huge with where the playoff where they meet in the playoffs. They ended up meeting in Kansas City. So even if the Bills lose, that does not necessarily mean that they're going to go to Kansas City again. That's the big picture. 10,000ft view to have by the time you wake up or go to bed on Sunday night.

[Jenna]

I think that is an important point because sometimes it does feel like every matchup is just this immense thing. It can decide so much. But where we're at in the season, where these teams are at, this is though a very big game in terms of just getting a quality win for both these teams because we know you mentioned they're not being number one in their respective divisions and that is why Sunday could shape up to be such a massive matchup is just because these teams still need wins.

[Mike]

Yeah, they do. And look, the Bills were very happy to get the win. They did. And in the fashion that they did when they went down to Carolina.

[Jenna]

Did they cover?

[Mike]

They covered. Yes.

[Dan]

That was a big deal. Can we trust. I know you said it in the podcast because everybody watched the postgame podcast, but I just want to hear it face to face.

[Mike]

Okay, so Dan was very excited saying about that they needed to cover. Just.

[Dan]

Just say.

[Mike]

And I said Dan was right. There it is.

[Dan]

Okay, come on, give me a little bit.

[Jenna]

It goes straight to his head. Beware.

[Mike]

But it was 24 hours of right. Because then went right back to what I say, which is.

[Dan]

Which is what I agreed with. Which is again, the problem was, was that I said it with my chest. And you were like, it'd be nice for them to win by 10 points. Which I said. That's what I was saying.

[Mike]

Here was the point. Dan was like, you're going to feel a lot better when they win and blow somebody out and cover. You did, right? You felt better. And then about 24 hours later you go, they got the Chiefs this week, 100%. So this game that the Panthers means hindsight win, whether you want to buy 4 or want to buy 40, it's a hindsight win.

[Dan]

But they got even. Josh and Sean both said after the game, that's the standard. That was what it was. So to beat a bad team, the.

[Mike]

Standard needs to be higher.

[Dan]

A 31.9 because it's the Panthers.

[Mike]

The Santa's got to beat the good.

[Dan]

He's got a 40 point win that he wanted. I only wanted.

[Mike]

I want them to beat the good teams.

[Dan]

And that's what I said. The way that they played against Carolina. And we'll get into the issues and the questions that they.

[Mike]

This is going to be a night questions too.

[Dan]

Obviously we mentioned it. There was a couple of funny comments. Cakehorn said, Dan has a fever. He needs more big game gate. That's not accurate. Another question was who's going to the Miami game. Joshua Vick is flying down from Atlanta. Alaska, More Alaska. People are going to the Miami game.

[Mike]

Wow, that's impressive.

[Dan]

That was pretty cool. My point is that the Carolina game made me think, hey, they figured some things out. I don't know what to take of the defense because we talked about it. Andy Dalton was very bad in that game. It didn't make me think that the Bills are any more or less super bowl contenders by beating Carolina by 31. It was a spot to get right. That was literally what it was. And Josh even kind of admitted that after the game. Now that's turn the page. And you still have things to address when Kansas City comes to town.

[Jenna]

Yeah, I definitely think so. And I think one of the things.

[Mike]

So I was right, but I was right first.

[Jenna]

Do you see what I deal with? The egos are trying. How about you? How about this? Two things can be true. And you were both.

[Mike]

I know two things can be true at the same time. Jenna reminds us of that all the.

[Jenna]

Time to get the win.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jenna]

It was nice to see the Bills have some command because this season they have struggled to show that. And also does that really affect how this team comes into Kansas a game against Kansas City? Probably not. But it's still nice to have that confidence.

[Mike]

No. And to the point about getting some things right. It also was getting some players on the field that had not been on the field getting them some time. Two veterans who had been suspended and a rookie that had not played who was hurt and another rookie that was in a very limited role because he had been injured and was a rookie. So they all got out on the field alive and I think that's going to help them defensively. Well, maybe this week and certainly down the line. But you also have to keep in mind that, you know, they are like those two players are rookies and now they're going against the Chiefs. But I was happy to see them get on the field, get a bunch of snaps, get that under their belt and then see how they play this week.

[Jenna]

Well, I also think one of the positives from that game against the Panthers was the run game and how James Cook looked and how just dynamic he has been that season, this season. Because I think for this team that is what they're putting their horses to is James Cook and his ability to run.

[Mike]

James Cook has been the best player on the bill Bills this year and I know nobody wants to. I know they have Josh Allen and I know he's going to be a Hall of Famer and I think someday he's going to get this team where they want to go. But James Cook has been their most consistent player and high end player. I think this season to this point, he's been their best player, no question.

[Jenna]

I agree.

[Dan]

Resigning him has been beans best move since drafting Josh Allen.

[Mike]

I might go along. I think I got to go along.

[Jenna]

With that because now it seems like.

[Dan]

He'S underpaid too because it was a.

[Mike]

Very real possibility that he would either finish this year out and walked or they would have dealt him. I guess could have happened too, but he has proven to be an exceptional back, not just a good back.

[Jenna]

Yeah, no, it's true. All right, we got to talk though. You mentioned how good the run game is. I think the, the passing game has left some things to be desired. Dan and I asked you this earlier on because I had someone ask me this is, is Josh Allen broken?

[Dan]

No, Josh Allen isn't broken.

[Jenna]

Want to hear that?

[Dan]

Yeah, Josh Allen isn't broken. I, I said it after the Atlanta game was that it looks like he doesn't trust or have faith in any of his wide receivers to get open. And then when one gets open like Elijah Moore did, they. There is this sense of oh my gosh, I can't believe it. It's like the, the dog finally catches up to the mail truck and doesn't know what exactly to do once he gets there. And then he misses the throw. Like that's one that when you are able to repeat it time and time again and throw to open wide receivers, you hit those throws. There seems to be, there's breakdowns on the offensive line when it comes to blitzes. We saw that early on in the game and Josh is a little bit bailing too soon. He's trying to escape the pocket because he doesn't think that his guys are winning enough one on one. So he's trying to buy time for them. And the crazy part is, is that he can buy seven to 10 seconds and there's still nobody open, which is hard to do in the NFL to be covered for 10 seconds. But that's where the Bill's wide receivers are at this point. I don't think he's broken. It seems like the players around him, and I will say it like they're failing Josh. It's not just as we talked about, whether Bean has given him enough talent around him, whether it's the players around Josh, he can't throw and catch the ball. This isn't the 49ers game. Like at some point Guys have to win and when players have had good games he has said Don Kincaid against New England he won his one on ones so win and Josh will reward you and Josh will better in the process.

[Mike]

I agree and I think what they do not have. I agree with you Dan. What a wonderful take you just had there to say that the got a.

[Dan]

Lot of I'm chock full of them tonight.

[Mike]

The Bill's wide receivers are not good enough. I won't even say like raise your hand but I'll say it. If you think the Bill's wide receivers are good enough, raise your hand.

[Dan]

Nobody has raised their hand.

[Mike]

So you know and I don't know if Bean's going to do something before the deadline. The deadline is next Tuesday. He has a player on the roster now who has an ability to be elevated and to play on Sunday who's had a decent amount of success in a Bill's uniform.

[Jenna]

Dan knows very well. Dan, Gabe Davis possibly coming back to the this roster. How much.

[Mike]

So Gabe Davis was. Yeah he was on the injured list on the on the practice squad but as of this week if they want him to play in the game by Saturday they elevate him. He can play in the game. Daniel.

[Dan]

I think he plays on Sunday. I think he is active. I think they elevated hold we.

[Jenna]

We should take a moment of silence.

[Dan]

For Dan is and I think he'll have zero impact.

[Mike]

Wow.

[Dan]

On said game but I think he'll have a jersey and a helmet. I just don't know what is left in Gabe Davis's game now. I was talking to people over there too and Darrell was asking like do you think that he, you know, does he change the passing game? No, I don't but it's kind of like my thought with Jordan Poyer where I went no, I don't want Jordan Poyer back. I, I don't think there's any tread left on the tires. And then it's halftime of the Atlanta game and I'm going screw it. Jordan Poyer like put him out there at this point. Like, like for as much as I, I don't dislike Gabe Davis, I just don't get it.

[Jenna]

I'm kidding.

[Dan]

I just don't not like the player that he is.

[Jenna]

But he does raise the floor of this whole entire wide receiver room if he's out there.

[Dan]

I don't think so.

[Mike]

Well, even if that's the case, that's an indictment on the wide receiver receiver room more than anything.

[Jenna]

But I also think Jacksonville's paying him.

[Dan]

Money to not Be there.

[Mike]

I will tell you guys this.

[Dan]

I don't know how else to say it.

[Mike]

I think Sean McDermott has laid down a bit of a law. The guys know I talk about meritocracy on this team. That's the NFL. The best guys play. What he has done in season is added competition on this team. Max is out there, the rookie, they didn't wait put him out there. Jordan Hancock is going to play at safety. I'm not saying that Gabe Davis is going to solve their issues. They need another player. But I don't think it's necessarily a terrible thing for guys in that wide receiver room to see a guy there who's had success with Josh Allen ready to go on the field. Because you better believe the moment Jordan Poyer walked in that place, said all the right things, he wanted to play and he's. Whether it's coming down or going up, he has gotten him on the field. I think. I'm not saying Gabe changes it. I'm just saying that I think it's okay for guys not to be comfortable in their roles. And that starts with Keon Coleman.

[Dan]

That's my point. That's where I'm going to disagree. Where you say it's a meritocracy and that, Sean, is all these things. I disagree with how bad the wide receiving groom is. Keon Coleman has not earned by his play in the field the most snaps and the most targets by Bill's wide receivers. He hasn't.

[Mike]

Right.

[Dan]

They there has never been a player that has been given so much that has done so little as Keon Coleman. The way that they will constantly put him on the field, constantly give him every opportunity when he hasn't earned it with his play and he hasn't earned it with his play off the field. I think it's that because he's been disciplined twice, I think it has started.

[Mike]

Started to change. I don't think Josh is looking for him as much anymore. He's given him opportunities. They did try to force it a little bit to plays that I just don't think work for him. And I think that's changed. I'm just saying is these other players may not be the final answer, but I think they can push a little bit and I'd like to see at least I'd like to see that.

[Jenna]

Do you think Gabe being around would push Keon Coleman in that way?

[Mike]

If he doesn't, then Keon's not paying attention.

[Dan]

I agree.

[Mike]

Well, if that's the case, clearly hasn't. Well, he's going to lose snaps, he's going to lose time unless something changes. And maybe it's a trade. That's what I would like to see. I think most people would like to see Josh Allen deserves better. I tweeted that in Atlanta. He deserves better. They do not have the talent for him. And if you don't do it in a trade, you've got to somehow formulate it or change the way you approach the offense.

[Jenna]

What would you say right now is your expectation percentage wise, that the Bills would make a trade before the trade deadline?

[Mike]

A trade, a decent percentage, a trade, 50%. You know, it's like that they get a D tackle, they maybe get, I don't even think about wide receiver.

[Jenna]

With. Well, which would also play into this is the fact that Bean would have to say, this is not enough.

[Dan]

Bingo.

[Jenna]

And I don't know.

[Dan]

I, I, I think it's like a 5% chance they trade for a wide receiver. And, and I think that is part of Bean's ego, which is fine. Like again, they have given Keon so many opportunities and they just may ride this out.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like they, they may just do that. And I look at it and I go, if they trade for another wide receiver, that is all I need to know about Keon Coleman. Like, they did it last year with Amari Cooper and it was Keon's young. And we always say it's the same thing that I said about Gabe Davis when they signed Emmanuel Sanders to be the number two. I said, if they really thought Gabe could be the number two a few years ago, they don't sign Emmanuel Sanders. They signed Emmanuel Sanders to keep Gabe at that third and fourth slot. And if you trade again for another ex wide receiver, a guy on the outside, then it's not Keon Coleman, because then you've done it for two straight years.

[Mike]

Right.

[Dan]

Because if you're making the move to make the team better short term, you are kind of punting on whatever Keon could be by stunting his development. And I'm fine.

[Mike]

Yeah. I got to say, I know what you're saying.

[Dan]

There is kind of throwing in the towel and what Keon is.

[Nigel]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I just don't think you have time to wait. I mean, I agree.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

There's too much at stake. So egos aside, I think you have to do what's best for the team. And that might mean another deal. Like they, you know, Josh Palmer hasn't been healthy. Maybe he plays this week. He showed that little flash in the game in Atlanta and then he got Hurt. But I just don't think they've been getting. Obviously they haven't gotten as anything really out of Curtis Samuel or Elijah Moore. So these are the guys they've brought in over the past few years. So while you can sit there, I'm not saying you as Brandon Bean can sit there and say, last year it worked with a similar group. Yeah, it was a really odd year. They never turned the ball over. It just, it just worked and worked very well. That's not happening this year. Mack Hollins, Nat Collins helped him a lot last year.

[Dan]

There was just seen him keep a comment I wanted to touch. It was from nurse Giggle early on. She said, dan, be the wide receiver hater. I'm the farthest thing from it. I am team wide receiver.

[Jenna]

Dan is our diva wide receiver.

[Dan]

I just want good wide receivers. I'm a hater of bad wide receivers. That's, that's, that's the bottom line.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And again, Keon Coleman has not done enough. He got roasted by Steve Smith on the podcast calling him pretty much not the guy. He said, quote, you can't teach a dog to bark. Either you got it or not.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Keon was asked about those comments in the podcast today. He said, did you hear the cop? The question was, did you see the comments from Steve Smith and do you have any comment response to it? And he said, no, no comment. Next question.

[Mike]

No, it's kind of what you think he's gonna say.

[Jenna]

Do you think that could play a factor in Keon Coleman and like his. I don't want to say like a galvanizing moment for him and for his career, but do you think that could have an impact?

[Mike]

Look, it's the opinion of a player who happened to be a really good player in the league.

[Dan]

And he's entitled dog.

[Mike]

Right. And he's entitled to his opinion like.

[Dan]

The epitome of a dog.

[Mike]

Right, Right. But you can't be driven in general. It's like that's guy's opinion. I think it's just about self awareness as a player. I would hope that some of that would have come about already and getting called out. And if you just get ticked off and you want to prove Steve Smith wrong, that would be great. Make a great motivation and go do something that proves him wrong.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

I just don't know if he's got that in him certainly at this time on a team that has Josh freaking Allen as your quarterback and he's 29 years old and it's got to move forward.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And Jenna, we were talking earlier today off of Joe Brady's comments because you kind of posed the question of, like, hey, the way that you thought you were, like, does anybody else feel the way that.

[Jenna]

Yeah, you did.

[Dan]

Which is what?

[Jenna]

So we listened to everything that the Bills put out in terms of their interviews. And on Monday, after every game, Sean McDermott talks, Joe Brady talks, Bobby Babbage talks. And, you know, after this game, most recently, Bobby Babbage, even after every game, he'll say, it's, the defense was not good enough. We need to clean up these things. We need to do XYZ better, I need to be better. All of. All of kind of that sentiment. And Joe Brady sometimes will push back when a reporter will have a question of, you know, the passing game, it seemed like it wasn't as sharp as it needed to be. And Joe Brady's response was essentially like, well, we didn't need to pass the ball. And to me, I just wanted to see your two thoughts on. And other people's as well, of. Of what that means for a coordinator, because sometimes I feel like it can always be better. Right. And so to say, like, well, we didn't need to pass the ball. I wonder if there's a little bit of ego in that answer. And I understand there's a lot of ego in the NFL, but I'm curious what you think and what you make of that.

[Mike]

I have less of an issue with saying, oh, the passing game's fine. Will we can do better, or will we. We didn't need it in this game. I have more of an issue when Sean McDermott says, you're being too cute in the play calls. Then you come back the next week and do another cute play. And that, to me, is like, the head coach. You know, sometimes people think the coach doesn't say it, or it's all Coach Talk. Sean McDermott says some things that are pretty blunt. That's too cute for our offense. We're better than that. He doesn't want that. So I. That part, I'm like, the head coach is saying, it's not some reporters, not fans, that coaches saying that.

[Dan]

Sean said after the game, like, we need to throw the ball.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then he was kind of asked on Wednesday about Joe's comments from Monday, and he's like, I heard what Joe said. We're on the same page. There's not some disconnect. I think it's a little bit of Joe standing up for himself, standing up for his guys, which I'm totally fine about. But this thought that we can throw the ball. I have no, no concerns. We just didn't need to look at the Ravens game is a weird way of I think putting your neck out there. And I, I had made the joke of like it's when you say like, oh, I have a girlfriend. She's really hot. She just goes to a different school. Like you guys don't know her. Like, yeah, oh, like we can throw the ball. We just didn't have to like analogy. Only Dan would be because guess what.

[Mike]

Your father in law is here. Year. Yes. Shout out.

[Dan]

Chuck. I said I go. It's the fact of the matter is that like you better be right because more than ever you're going to need to throw the ball this week to keep up with the Chiefs offense. So to sit there and say no concern, we're fine. We can when we need to is kind of a putting interesting choice of words before you're going to have to like Josh is known for 150 yards the last two games. That's not good.

[Mike]

Well, Jenna, it's Dan's right. They're going to need it. Oh God, I said it again.

[Dan]

Another one, man. Boy, if we did a drinking game, everybody be drunk. If Josh, when Mike said Dan is right.

[Mike]

They do need it against the Chiefs.

[Jenna]

Time to open it.

[Dan]

Shout out Bud Light.

[Mike]

They do need it against the Chiefs. Guess what? Like they needed it against the Patriots. They needed it against the Falcons.

[Dan]

Like they didn't have what we wanted to. We just didn't do it against Atlanta.

[Mike]

New England, Carolina, all the other games. Yeah. So they definitely need to do that. I'm, I'm concerned about the offense. I'm intrigued about the defense because I think they're not afraid to put players on the field. I think a lot of jobs are. Certainly snaps are on the line. Deon Walker is stepping stepped onto that defense and proven he belongs in there and getting snaps. And he's done it because he's played that way. Now they've had injuries too, but Deion's going to be on the field. Yeah, right. And heck, AJ Epanessa made plays. Michael Hoyt stepped right in and made plays. Greg Russo had a heck of a game against Carolina.

[Dan]

Way to go, man.

[Mike]

So say Mike was. Oh God, he's not even going to give it to him.

[Jenna]

What do we, what do we say?

[Mike]

I don't know.

[Jenna]

What's the blind squirrel? Everybody made a play on the defensive line. Congrats.

[Mike]

Really.

[Dan]

It's like that commander's game from a few years ago that Whenever we need video, there's a sack. There's an interception from that commander's game against.

[Jenna]

Yeah, I do think this year, what we've seen, and maybe it's because of the injuries, but maybe it's also because some of the age is that. I feel like for so long, it's like the Bills defensive unit is set. There's no one really cracking the line up. And now you're seeing Max Terson get in some turn. You see Jordan Hancock getting in there. Shaq Thompson, like, again, injury is a piece of this, but there's more fluidity to that group. And I feel like they are now Michael Hoyt back, Larry Ogan Joby, they're having more options, and they're kind of getting to see more faces in this defense where before we really wouldn't see.

[Mike]

I'm fascinated by the. The rotation that they did. That's not their norm now. Let's see how it plays out this week. I don't know if they're ready to just say Max is the starter and just have him start. Maybe they'll keep this rotation going for a little while. And Jordan Poyer has given them good snaps. I think he's. I think it's better for him as a player to have Jordan Hancock come in the game.

[Jenna]

Can I tell them what he was doing before the game?

[Mike]

Oh, go ahead. Yeah.

[Dan]

So.

[Jenna]

So before the game, national anthem's done. It's right before the game starts. Jordan Poyer, I look over and he's sniffing the football. So, you know, that man was very excited to get back out on the field. Just smelling the football.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's a game that is. He is that kind of guy, though. I mean, you guys remember the story when they played the Chiefs and they didn't let him fly because he had been injured the week.

[Dan]

Bruised his ribs.

[Mike]

Bruised ribs. So he had a guy they got in a van and he drove 17 hours.

[Dan]

That was also the same year that he had messed up his elbow in training camp. Played through everything, Played through all of it.

[Mike]

So he is very happy to be back on the field. But the idea that they're. They're looking for help on that defense, the defense has not been good enough. They did have a good game, as we said, against.

[Dan]

I feel like. I feel like the defense, to your point, is such a meritocracy. That, like, hey, Taylor rap, which I think was a soft benching, like, it was a.

[Mike]

Hey, it might be a combination. He wasn't playing well. He certainly is banged up. Yeah.

[Dan]

But again, Somebody asked me, like, why did Sean say like all of a sudden the knee injury come out of nowhere when Taylor Rapp hadn't been on the injury report all season? And then that's Sean. That's why he's a player's coach of saying, hey, by the way, we're going to sit you down, we're going to put you on IR and I'm going to make sure everybody knows you've been injured. And I'm going to, I'm going to remind people that you were injured in training camp. That's why your play this year hasn't been up to snuff.

[Jenna]

Sticking up for your players.

[Mike]

So get yourself healthy. Yeah.

[Dan]

Taylor Rap doesn't need to make the excuse your head coach is sticking up for you, saying he's been playing hurt. We haven't talked about it, but he's been hurt. Remember in training camp. Yeah, that's, that's the sign of a veteran player coach that is sticking up for his guys. But that's where I think it was also part of the, the problem with the defense of we may be benching you anyway. Why don't you go on IR and get fully healthy? Because, because we need to do something different because your performance isn't good enough. And I think that goes into the linebacker position. There's a bunch of messages on the YouTube chat of just like, hey, Shaq Thompson's been playing good. Unfortunately, Shaq Thompson didn't practice today on Thursday because he has been playing well.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And Sean was even asked about, like, hey, if Bernard and Milano are fully practicing on Wednesday, do they automatically start? He's like, that's not necessarily the case. Like, we've got to look into some things because they need to put out the two best linebackers to play.

[Mike]

I agree with that. It's also why tell the Chiefs, oh.

[Jenna]

My gosh, Michael, choose your words better.

[Mike]

I don't disagree with everything Dan says.

[Jenna]

You have to agree with everything either.

[Mike]

No, I, I agree that Sean said that, but also why tell the Chiefs who's going to play linebacker in the game?

[Dan]

That's fair.

[Mike]

I think it does in impact a little bit. I, I think Bernard and Milano are going to be out there and I do think this team, it's better to have those two on the field.

[Dan]

I agree.

[Mike]

Against the Chiefs. I think the way they play, it's a better fit.

[Dan]

The Bills really for the last three plus years have built the defense to play the Chiefs.

[Jenna]

Yes, yes.

[Dan]

Like, like they had smaller, faster defense, quicker.

[Mike]

Not bad. Maybe not Theory. In theory. Faster. Yeah.

[Dan]

I think that's why you draft lighter hair.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Dan]

Like, I think that's part of it. That's.

[Jenna]

Why is that because you need someone.

[Dan]

To counter Xavier Worthy, which you handed to the Chiefs. But I digress.

[Jenna]

Okay. All right. I think right now is a good.

[Mike]

Moment, but we'll have people come up.

[Jenna]

Yeah. So let's have.

[Mike]

If.

[Jenna]

If someone has a question in the crowd, you can come up over here.

[Mike]

Come over here to my left.

[Jenna]

Questions from the crowd, if anyone has one, and then we can answer your questions. You can do a quick little question.

[Dan]

Oh, we got a Blue Jays fan coming up here for a question.

[Mike]

Yeah, we'll come over here. Nigel, come on up. All right, all right, we got. Go ahead, Nigel. Tell them where you're from and what are your questions.

[Nigel]

Okay. I'm from Brighton, New York, and my question is, in an interview earlier this year, Brandon Bean very forcefully told everyone that the offense was no problem scoring plenty of points. The issue was the defense, and there was no need to sign a wide receiver given the performance of the offense, the challenges of the. The defensive players drafted. Is he on the hot seat? Is he under pressure?

[Mike]

So.

[Jenna]

So, Nigel, thank you.

[Dan]

Great question, Nigel.

[Mike]

Great question.

[Jenna]

I believe the actual quote was, bitching about wide receiver is the dumbest argument I've heard.

[Dan]

That is correct.

[Jenna]

Which was part.

[Dan]

Part of me wants Bean to trade for a wide receiver so that we can ask him, is it. Are we allowed to. About the wide receiver?

[Jenna]

Yeah, we don't need to do that.

[Mike]

I don't believe he's on the hot seat.

[Dan]

Bean is not on the hot seat.

[Mike]

Yeah. No. And Sean McDermott is not on the hot seat. I know a lot of people want to think that he's not. I mean. I mean, I guess if the season went totally south.

[Dan]

Hey, Nigel Kendrick in the comments says thank you. Thank you, Nigel. Like, I. I think people. I think that's a. A sentiment a lot of Bill's fans have, is that it wasn't that long ago that beans, like, the offense is fine. Why are we talking about wide receivers? The defense needs to be fixed. And now we're sitting here eight weeks into the season, and it's like, the offense has issues like, what? What? And that's where I said, I remember, like, at the time. You can't just sit there and say, what we did last year, we're going to do again. Like, the Chiefs have never been that team where they've been like, oh, we've had a good offense, so we don't need to worry about it. They're constantly drafting wide receivers, signing players, improving their offense because teams adjust. There's a lot of film, a lot more film now on Joe Brady and what his offense is in Buffalo and he needs to make adjustments.

[Mike]

So I will say this on Brandon Bean's side when you talk about addressing it. He signed Josh Palmer, he signed Elijah Moore. Two wide receivers. The question is, is that really the way to go about it? Over the past few years, they've spent a lot of money on Curtis Samuel and Josh Palmer and have gotten mediocre to poor results from those two players. It's tough to live in that world when you're paying substantial money for mid range at best wide receivers.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

So the push would be to draft young players like Keon is not playing well. But Keon is a relatively inexpensive player.

[Dan]

Correct.

[Mike]

Because draft picks on their rookie contracts are cheaper players. And if you continue to draft wide receivers, you hope to hit them much like they did in the secondary this year when they took Max Hairston, they took Dorian Strong, they took Jordan Hancock. Like they're taking some swings at the secondary. I think that's a great way to approach two expensive positions on the field.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There is a comment here from a John Feats in our chat. John Feets is watching. It's my dad. Dad. It's absolutely amazing how most of you fans are so negative. I can't imagine what you guys would have been saying during the drought. That's fair. I, I understand.

[Jenna]

That's really your dad.

[Dan]

That's really my. I would imagine. Unless there's another John Fates, which would be very strange. But I think that's my dad that's commenting in. Who should be watching my kids right now. Now that, now that I'm realizing that, dad. Anyway, this is what we talk about.

[Mike]

Wait, Shane's watching everybody, right?

[Dan]

Hi, Shane. There's a new stuffed animal that'll be coming home. But the, the goal post has moved.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dan]

As a drought. If you in the middle of the drought, 5 and 2 was heaven.

[Mike]

Rare is what it was.

[Dan]

We were saying that when the bills were 4, 40 and we're like, well, they're not winning by enough points. It's like, boy, Bill's fans are spoiled. You've earned that pressure.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Dan]

That's why like comparing it to this playoff drought. John Fates doesn't know what he's talking about is because things are different now.

[Jenna]

Well, and also this team has so had so much regular season success winning the division as many times as they have now the benchmark for this team is not what they do in September through December. It's what happens in January and hopefully February.

[Dan]

Agreed.

[Mike]

So got another question over here. Hang on one second here. Who's this guy gentleman here? Greg Connors. Give Greg a big round of applause. The Connors podcast studio that we have, he sponsored for us. You know, your bills. What do you got for us, Greg?

[Greg]

So, Dan, I know why you were confused about the continental United States. So I just, I understand your confusion.

[Dan]

Thank you.

[Mike]

So I just.

[Greg]

Just so you know that.

[Dan]

Appreciate it, Greg.

[Greg]

Now the question I want to ask is after the offense this week runs the ball decently, but they don't throw the ball as well as we expected, are you going to ask that question about. Can we. About the receivers? Because I really think if he doesn't perform this week, if Keon doesn't step up.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Greg]

And Samuels isn't healthy and Kincaid does. Doesn't play as well as he should. That's a game. I, I'm looking to you guys to ask that hard question.

[Dan]

So it's a fair point. And I think people have asked us before, Greg, of like, hey, you guys had been on the patio, like, why didn't you grill him there? It. There's time and place. But the reason I also think Bean has for the longest time been more favorable in the eyes of the fans is we don't hear Bean talk every week. It's Sean, it's Joe Brady, it's Babbage. They're the ones that have to answer the questions.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Bean makes those comments on the radio and we don't talk to be.

[Mike]

Not. Not that often.

[Dan]

It's maybe, you know what I'm saying.

[Mike]

Five times a year outside of a.

[Dan]

Trade, we won't be. Won't talk to the media. Does that make sense?

[Greg]

So the thing is that you're smart enough, you're smart enough to ask that question to. To Joe Brady about what Bean said and then what his response is. What's she thinking?

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

That is really interesting because at that.

[Dan]

Point you're smart guy.

[Mike]

You don't.

[Dan]

Ferris, make sure if you need any help. Personal injury attorney.

[Mike]

If you, if you, if you're that coach. Sometimes they are in a spot what they think in private isn't what they're going to tell us. Yeah. Because sometimes it comes out in the moments of frustration, usually like right after a game. But that's not the case. Look, I hope they recognize it. I hope, you know, you can. Everybody's got an ego But I hope they can put it aside enough to say, let's try to do this in fairness to this way. Like Bean has. Early on he traded for Calvin Benjamin. That did not work. He traded last year for Amari Cooper. That did not work. He has gone out and gotten one time as Naheem Hines, a running back. Like he has tried, tried this to help offenses, the offense. He also made a trade for Stefon Diggs. Now, that was early on. So he's made those moves. The frustration now is Josh Allen has reached this MVP level and as great as he is, look at Mahomes. I mean, we all know Mahomes is a great player, but the last couple of years they got by with their defense. Mostly he was good because he's Mahomes. That was not a great here. I'm saying they went to the super bowl each of the last three years. Yeah, but it was not a great offense. But they kept going, like you said, kept going to find players and to find players who help that offense. And I think you're right. You can ask, unfortunately, sometimes if we ask Sean McDermott or the players or Joe Brady, they're not in control of bringing those players in or out. And they're teammates with some of the guys who aren't performing. Performing. So it does.

[Dan]

Checking the Saber score. Sorry.

[Mike]

Wow.

[Dan]

They're down one nothing.

[Mike]

They're saber. Oh, now it's Tuna. He checked the Sabers. It went from one to two.

[Jenna]

Now, I do hear what you're saying, Mike. I, I have a question, Dan. I, I asked Mike this just about like percentage that Bean makes a move before the trade deadline. Specifically at wide receiver. Where would you put that at?

[Dan]

That they trade for wide receiver?

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Less than 10%.

[Jenna]

Do you? Okay.

[Dan]

I think they're going to give Keon every single opportunity to become a factor, to become something. And again, we have seen it at times and Steve Smith talks about it. I, I do encourage people like the seat, like somebody was commenting. Steve Smith wasn't a Hall of Famer. What does he know? Steve Smith was in wide, like in offensive rooms, was a phenomenal player and did it undersize and tough as nails. And like he's been in the media.

[Mike]

I take Steve Smith on the roster now. Yeah, he was a dog. That guy was five foot nothing and would go up and get the ball. He'd fight the guy on the other team like that Yak.

[Dan]

His yards after catch is 1.67 yards after the catch. Yeah. Greg Connors is laughing over there. You can fall forward and get 1.7 yards per catch like so again. And this is evident as ever because it's topical because of the Chiefs, because you traded Xavier Worthy, because you traded back and sat and were fine with Keon or whatever it was as. As your first pick in that second round. But this is a game where like this will be a storyline. Jim Nance and Tony Romo will be talking about the trade and you, you know, you gave it was Xavier Worthy and Keon Coleman. This is going to be a topic.

[Mike]

Because, Jenny, you've noticed, I'm sure we've been talking about this the whole time. And because we're around the team all the time, what's happened in recent weeks, it's Dan Orlovsky and Stephen A. Smith and whoever on CBS Sportsline and everybody online is all saying, hey, I don't think the Bills have enough weapons on that offense. This is what's going to hold them back. It is an almost like an avalanche of a narrative at the moment. And Dan's saying that because this game is Romo and Nate and the whole country is seeing this game.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

If that wide receiver room is not performing, that was what Tony Romo is going to be talking about Sunday.

[Jenna]

Do you think it's an advantage then that the Bills have this game before the trade deadline?

[Dan]

Good question.

[Jenna]

Thank you.

[Mike]

I'll tell you after the game is over.

[Dan]

I don't know how much it impacts it, but it's a good question.

[Jenna]

I feel like it could impact it just depending on how things go. Because I think this can kind of be a litmus test for where. Where this could Bills team is.

[Mike]

So last year they had struggled in two games and then they went and played the Jets. They got through that game. They survived. Jets made a move.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

To get the Jets. Yeah. When they made the first move to get to wide receiver Devonte Adams. And then it was.

[Jenna]

Yeah, like, forgot about that.

[Mike]

An hour later, the Bills got Amari Cooper.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Mike]

And actually at the time, I mean, Amari Cooper had success, success in this league. And then he comes out in the first game with the Bills, catches a touchdown. And then I liked the move.

[Jenna]

It didn't work out how you wanted it to, but I like taking those swings because you knew that there was a deficiency at wide receiver. You went and made a move to try to adjust.

[Mike]

There are players out there if. If teams are willing. Rashid Shahid of the Saints in the final year of his contract, maybe not a perfect fit, but he's got speed, can play on the outside. Chris Olave is a really good player. He's had issues with concussions, but he's really good with no quarterback in New Orleans. And then you've got Brian Thomas Jr. Who I loved, loved from the draft. He went to Jacksonville, had a great rookie year. Somehow he's really fell out of favor. I don't know if they're just trying to light a fire under him, but his position, skill set would fit phenomenally with with the Bills. I, I, that would be a really, really big long shot for them to make a move like that.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think it's also just Joe Brady needing to adjust a little bit. Teams now know what the Bills this everybody eats. Mike said they're intermittent fasting. Like everybody's not eating. Like this isn't working. The Bills did not complete a pass to a wide receiver beyond the line of scrimmage in the first half against Carolina.

[Mike]

That's not good enough with Josh Allen as your quarterback. I mean, that's the thing. It's not staggering. Yeah, yeah. Shakir is a really good player.

[Dan]

Passes to two wide receivers, Shakir and one to Coleman, but they get the.

[Mike]

Ball to Shakir sometimes.

[Dan]

Dalton Kincaid is a Again, I, I was talking, I thought about that Shakir play because you're like, look, it's a big, it's a big play. It's a four yard completion and a 51 yards after the catch. That's great if you can get it. Yeah, it's awfully tough to bank on.

[Mike]

Yeah. I mean, Shakir is a phenomenal run after the catch guy. Give him some help on the outside.

[Jenna]

Shakir once again.

[Mike]

Yes. Jenna, tell everybody Shakir was going to be the yes. Oh, my God. I'm getting beaten up today.

[Jenna]

Who you have?

[Dan]

Curtis Samuel. If anybody wants this stock, I've got a ton of it. I've been looking to sell it at its low point.

[Mike]

Well, it's better than mvs. MVS before that.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Says I hate wide receivers. I just pick bad ones. That's pretty much what it is.

[Jenna]

Okay, what were we talking about?

[Mike]

Sorry, I don't know. Jenna, you're the host.

[Jenna]

I had to interrupt to get the Khil Shakir in there. Okay, you know what's funny? I don't know if, if Bill's fans heard this, but the Chiefs are now using Everybody eats.

[Mike]

I know.

[Jenna]

Everybody's. What is it? Everybody go and eat.

[Dan]

Everybody's got to eat.

[Jenna]

Everybody's got to eat. Can you imagine?

[Mike]

I said they should let them have that saying. I'm so sick of that. Saying everybody eats. I want somebody to be that good on this wide receiver group that he's just a pig and he stays up there, just eats everything. Right. You saw Drake London, they were like, oh, let's just throw it to this guy like 15 times in the game.

[Dan]

Somebody get rolled out of a buffet. Like, that's. That's what I want.

[Mike]

Yeah. I mean, look, he had great experience with Diggs until it wasn't. But you also saw in the game against the Patriots, Diggs is one of those players. Diggs is not a top. I don't know what would he be top 20 player as a wide receiver in the league? 15 right now.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Somewhere. Right, right. But he is that guy that when you know they're gonna get him the ball, he can get the ball.

[Dan]

And again.

[Mike]

And I'm not saying they're not getting digs back. I'm not saying that. I'm saying a player doesn't have to be a superstar.

[Dan]

And it's something worth mentioning. We've talked about it on previous, I think was the last podcast we did last Thursday on the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel. Like comment, subscribe and share. Appreciate, as always, that Dalton Kincaid is their best pass catching option right now. His. He's the threat to kind of stretch the field. Shakir's great, he's their most dependable, but Kincaid is actually the guy that is stretching that intermediate range that they really don't have right now. He played 15 or 16 snaps against Carolina and they ran the ball one time when he was on the field. I talked about it last week that they run the, they pass the ball about 78% of the time when he's on the field. It's a very big tell for a coach that wants to be two dimensional. They do not run the ball when Dalton Kincaid is on the field. So it's tough to kind of balance that between wanting to be two dimensional. But your best pass catcher, you can't run the ball when it's going on.

[Mike]

Dan said about the two dimensional part. So Sean McDermott pushes back. We were in the press room after the win against Carolina and one of the reporters said to him, we know you love to run the ball, blah, blah, blah. And Sean pushed back and said, I don't think you've heard me say I love to run the ball. Like, I want to move the ball. I want to be successful. And I don't think as a defensive head coach, he wants to be perceived as a guy who doesn't want to throw the best thing he did for this team was to increase their ability to be physical and run the football.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Mike]

But to marry that with the passing game, you. Last year. It worked. It did. They didn't turn the ball over. The defense kept taking the ball away. They were getting good field position. They got a bunch of possessions and it worked. But that is hard to replicate. And I think they will recognize that they need to be better in the pass game. The question is, do they try to do it in some way with personnel? Oh.

[Dan]

Ralph Wilson, Senior 3728 Coleman gets the most targets to eat. Unfortunately, he. He's got a food, a football allergy.

[Jenna]

Listening to you try to read that.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Dan]

Sucks being so dyslexic when you're trying to, like, hit. Hit a comment hard. Coleman gets the most targets to eat.

[Mike]

Yeah, we all heard it.

[Dan]

We know it.

[Mike]

I just want to try it again.

[Jenna]

Use your finger to read.

[Dan]

Oh, my gosh. Sam Bartlett watching from Australia. Australia, go.

[Mike]

Look at that.

[Dan]

That's really farther away than Alaska. Is that not part of the continental United States?

[Mike]

That's not continental United States.

[Dan]

No, I was all over that one.

[Jenna]

Oh, that's perfect. All right, do we want to go into our picks predictions?

[Mike]

You start.

[Dan]

Yeah, you start, Jenna.

[Jenna]

Okay.

[Mike]

Because she's leading again.

[Jenna]

I know. Which if you have not watched the Buffalo plus hot ones that we did, we can tell them, right? What happened.

[Mike]

Yeah, we can tell them.

[Jenna]

So I don't know if you've seen the Buffalo plus hot ones we did over the Bills.

[Mike]

Do you guys know what hot ones is? Where you eat the chicken wings while you answer questions and they get.

[Jenna]

Yes. And it gets progressively hotter. Hotter and hotter and hotter.

[Mike]

The great people at Karma, the Karma sauces, Goddess sauces. This stuff is insane. Once you get.

[Jenna]

There's some really good ones.

[Dan]

There's some really good ones.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jenna]

I see spider spicy, and I like spice spicy food. But we were. We were crying. But Mike and I, we recorded the whole podcast and we had an audio issue, so we had to do the Hot Ones episode entirely over all again.

[Dan]

I was. I was on my deathbed when we got back from Atlanta. I was not feeling well. I was like, I can't make it in for this one. Just happened to be a coincidence.

[Jenna]

Yes.

[Dan]

And I get a text from Jenna that says, we did the pod. No audience.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I was like, that's not good.

[Mike]

I will say Jen is a gamer because we got done and we were sitting there talking and we're like, well, what are we going to do? And she's like, we got the wings, we got the sauces. We're going to do it again.

[Jenna]

We ran it back, but a lot of wings. I only mention that because can't teach this dog apart. I only mentioned that because I am right now in the lead for our picks and predictions. So I win. I'm gonna make these two do hot ones while also reading progressively snarkier comments about the two.

[Mike]

You mean the things people say online about us? I don't know if you guys know this, but sometimes people say mean stuff online. Yeah. And they say it very directly about all of us. Mostly. Well, me and Dan. Yeah.

[Dan]

And you know what's crazy is that everybody is so nice when we meet.

[Mike]

Them in person until you walk away.

[Nigel]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But like everybody that we've done all these meet and greets, people are like, Dan is right. This is.

[Mike]

No, they don't all say Dan.

[Dan]

I do.

[Jenna]

It shocks me.

[Dan]

But behind keyboards, people do not like me.

[Mike]

So we would read those as they.

[Jenna]

Go along eating really, really spicy wings. But I say that because I am in the lead for our picks.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Jenna]

So there's that. But my pick for Sunday, Look, I think this is just gonna be a really tough matchup for the Bills. I think the Chiefs are playing really well right now. I think you just see how efficient their offense has been in terms of the Chiefs. They got Rasheed Riceback, who has been an absolute, absolute gamer, dynamic player. I think the Bills will figure it out. I just think right now with where the passing game is at, I just don't have the thoughts that the Bills can stay up with a track meet if that's what Kansas City gets this game into. And my expectation is that will be the case. So I do have the Chiefs winning this game. I know. I'm sorry.

[Dan]

Hey, hey, guys, guys. Save your booze for bike. And not just going to be honest with you. Got Jetta's back here. You're going to boo all.

[Jenna]

Thank you.

[Dan]

Spoiler alert.

[Jenna]

All right, Michael.

[Mike]

So I think I will say I think there is a path to the Bills winning this game. They're at home. They play well against the Chiefs in the regular season. They've played well. They play them very tough in the playoffs. They just haven't made the play to win the game. I think they need a certain type of game. I think they need a very physical game. They need to run the football team. They need to put Josh in advantageous positions where you're not third and nine, where he's getting the blitz and it's causing the issues that's going on. They need to be a bit of a bully in this game offensively and I think that could put them in a spot. And then, you know, the defense, honestly I like the young legs out there. I don't know if they'll get run by because they have no idea where they're going or they'll make a few plays. I think the Chiefs are also aren't sure what they're getting in some of the players on the Bills defense but there's just too many things that need to go right for them. I think they're too been too good of a team to have this many question marks at this part of the year. I think the defense will get better because of the influx of players. I hope that the offense gets some help. I've got the Chiefs winning it by five in this game. 31:26 yeah.

[Jenna]

You can boot Mike.

[Mike]

I gave you the whole game plan of how to win. So go execute.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Maybe it'll be the case.

[Dan]

I I agree with Mike and Jenna. I look at this and the biggest concern for me is how well this Chiefs offense is playing and how I still have big question marks about this Bill's defense at this current moment. So I think there are a couple of different ways the Chiefs can win. I think there's like one or two ways that the Bills can win. So I don't this doesn't make me panic anymore. I think the Chiefs kind of go up and down the field as we've seen a lot of offenses do this season. 3324 Chiefs win.

[Mike]

Go ahead. Boom.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

The Waiting for the so I will say this. There's been a the narrative that the Chiefs offense has been rolling. They they've been good. They played the Raiders who are atrocious. They were terrible in the first half against the Commanders and then had a good second half. They scored points and it was a really entertaining game to watch against the Lions.

[Dan]

I'd love to be wrong.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Who were playing with their 56 corners and they have lost three games this year. So they are not some juggernaut. The problem I have and I think you guys would all admit when you watch them and they're going they look like those old Chiefs. That bothers me because that that team was really tough to handle. That's bothering me more than what they've accomplished. To me it looks more like where they're going. But you never know what happens on Sunday, do you?

[Dan]

What's funny is that we all Jenna comes in whenever we come into the sports office and she's like, what's your guys pick? We all kind of say our picks one to one another. And out of all the times for all of us to pick against the.

[Mike]

Bill, it's when we got an audience.

[Dan]

Show in front of an audience. If we did this in the Connors and Ferris podcast studio, it'd be a lot different. But, like, even now, we're like sitting here, it's like, yeah, Chiefs 3324. Like, let's just keep going on the next thing. Picasso's player of the game. Like, let's just keep it moving. This is the toughest time where even Jenna's like, I like the Chiefs, but it stinks that we're doing this live show. Like, yeah, this is not what everybody. But again, getting the gauge from people, I think we all agree that, like, this is. There's some anxiety, there's anxiety, there's nerves. This isn't a great matchup, the way that the Chiefs are playing and the way the Bills are currently. But again, the Bills force a couple of turnovers like they have done in the past.

[Mike]

Crowd gets going. Yeah.

[Jenna]

And the Bills are underdogs, which I do think.

[Mike]

I love it. I love.

[Jenna]

I love that for them at home.

[Mike]

We all hope that we're like, Dan wrong.

[Jenna]

Boo.

[Dan]

That was good. That.

[Jenna]

All right. The Bill's game plan to win. That also plays into our Picasso player of the week. A little Bud Light, little Picasso pizza player of the week, who would have to have a big game for the Bills to win.

[Mike]

Joe Brady needs a big game.

[Dan]

That was good, Joseph.

[Mike]

Joe Brady, run the ball. Get the ball out of Josh's hands. Have.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Blitz beaters for him. Have outlets for him. If you see Josh, I'm rolling here. If you see Josh, we're just trying to eat. Backing up, backing up, looking around, nowhere to go, throwing it out of bound. Not great. He's back there. The blitz is coming. Hot read. Get it out of his hands. I want to see him pull that off of the Chiefs. If you're running the football well, getting the ball out of the quarterback's hands, it's going to greatly impact their ability to be effective blitzing the ball. I think it's an aggressive offense. I would not mind seeing them go with some pace, honestly, early in the game.

[Jenna]

Get him out there, get Josh settled too.

[Mike]

And that would mean. So when you go with pace and you go quick, that means you don't substitute. That means James Cook stays on the field.

[Jenna]

Yep.

[Mike]

Keep him on the field, move quickly.

[Dan]

It also keeps some points. It also keeps the defense in a base set. Like they can't do exotic blitzes, things like that.

[Mike]

Maybe not the whole game, but at least get them going that way.

[Dan]

Yeah, I'll say my. And I know I'm going to take yours. My Picasso's player of the game is. Is Josh Allen. Like, we need to see special Josh Allen and he. He's done that. It's crazy. In the regular.

[Jenna]

So brave of you.

[Dan]

I know, right? How's. It's kind of sad that like that that's the state of the Bill's offense is that like we never picked Josh for the five players to watch. We never pick him.

[Mike]

Just assume he's just assume.

[Dan]

But like he's thrown for 100 under 200 yards the last two games. He's going to need to throw for 250, I think in this game to win. So he's going to have to be special and he may have to throw some wide receivers open if they can't. Like he's going to have to make some plays. In the regular season against Kansas City, he's four in one. He averages 296 total yards and the Bills average almost 26 points per game. That's great. In the postseason, he averages 327 total yards per game and the Bills average 28 points and he's 0 and 4. Right. He's better in the playoffs in the biggest, brightest moments and then the team.

[Mike]

But we know what happens at the end of games in the regular season. Josh made the great run for the touchdown last year. Taron Johnson had the interception in Kansas City. They got a big call against the Chiefs late in that game. That's the right. Von had a sack the one time in the playoffs. Diggs dropped the ball. K dropped the ball. Sheel dropped the ball. Tyler Bass missed a field goal.

[Jenna]

We don't need to keep listing. Well, yeah, we don't need to do.

[Mike]

I wanted to get booed again.

[Dan]

13 seconds. You want to. You want to rehash 13 seconds.

[Jenna]

Keep doing that.

[Mike]

That's it.

[Jenna]

My Picasso Player of the week. A guy that knows the Chiefs very well, Joey Bosa. I just want to see him have some more of an impact in this game.

[Dan]

Should have done Rousseau.

[Mike]

You mean the best defensive end? He already.

[Jenna]

He showed up last week. So you know what? I'll add in Greg Rousseau. How about Greg? I'll be rooting it for him this week.

[Mike]

He's done it all. He's Blocked a field goal, forced a fumble the past week. It's all over the place.

[Jenna]

He has played pretty well.

[Mike]

He's playing well. They all count. He's got 17. Now, by my calculations, I add numbers to Greg. If he blocked a field goal, that was worth, like, six sacks because I told them he's going to have 10.

[Dan]

So it sounds like gold stars.

[Jenna]

Is that what you do with your daughters?

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jenna]

You finish your dinner.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Dan]

You brought your plate in without.

[Mike]

You know, it's funny.

[Dan]

That's a sack.

[Mike]

You see Greg, we all see him, like. And I think to myself, if that man knew how much we talk about him, he would be like, why do you talk about me so much? He is a nice guy and he's a giant.

[Dan]

You know, there's times, like, after the interview's over, we, like, talk to the player, like, a little bit off the record. It would be really funny if you're.

[Mike]

Like, dude, man, we talk about you all the time.

[Dan]

We need you. I. I need you. Mike and. Or Dan and Jenna are really giving me a hard time. I need a big game, buddy. Big game.

[Mike]

Big game, Gray.

[Jenna]

That's very true. All right, we want to give a shout out to all the people we met here tonight. We have so many. Like, thank you so much. Give yourselves a round of applause.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Mike]

You guys are awesome.

[Jenna]

We really, really appreciate it, genuinely. Barb, Jeff, Brad, Mary, John, Paul, Dave, Kevin, and Sue from Alaska, Nigel, Megan, Daryl, John, Tammy, like, everyone, we really appreciate it. It's been, obviously awesome. So amazing to meet everyone, and we genuinely do. Like, this means so much to us.

[Dan]

My high school teammate in the baseball team, Mike Parator, and his brother, they've been to a bunch of these. It is cool to see familiar faces.

[Jenna]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That we've seen time and time again. Again. I know we usually joke around about at the beginning, but we always say, we'll do this. And we assume and are nervous that three people are going to show up.

[Jenna]

Yes.

[Dan]

Especially in this crowded, little more intimate setting. It's really cool. We really, really appreciate it.

[Jenna]

Yeah. So give yourself.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Chuck.

[Jenna]

Mr. Perot, we got the in laws. We got Jenny. We want.

[Mike]

My wife was here, but she probably bailed on me. She hears me talking up.

[Jenna]

Yeah, that's. Yeah, we do. All right, give yourselves one more round of applause. Thank you so much for joining us here on the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel. Shout out to Bud Light. Shout out to the distillery.

[Dan]

To Brian and John behind the scenes.

[Jenna]

Give them a. Honestly, they do. They make us sound and look great. Thank you. So much.

[Mike]

All right.

[Jenna]

For Mike and Dan, I'm Jenna. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe, and share. Share. Cheers and thank you for watching Buffalo Plus. Thank you guys so much.

[Mike]

We appreciate it.

[Dan]

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