Buffalo Bills PROMOTE Bobby BABICH, will new DC call plays?

Summary

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Buffalo Plus Podcast: "Buffalo Bills PROMOTE Bobby BABICH, will new DC call plays?"

Date: January 30, 2024
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes

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Episode Overview

This emergency edition of the Buffalo Plus Podcast breaks down the Buffalo Bills’ promotion of Bobby Babich to defensive coordinator. The hosts dive into Babich’s background, the reasoning behind the promotion, internal competition, questions about play-calling responsibilities, and what this move signals for the future of the Bills defense under Sean McDermott. The show balances insider insight with candid, witty banter among the hosts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bobby Babich’s Promotion – Why Now?

• Babich’s Background and Path
  • Came to Buffalo with McDermott in 2017, worked with the secondary and linebackers, widely respected by players and staff.
  • "Babich is a guy they think highly of… and did a great job in the secondary. Moved to linebackers. Popular coach." (Mike, 01:31)
• The Decision Timeline
  • Eric Washington’s departure for Chicago created a vacuum and signaled a likely internal promotion.
  • Interest from outside teams (Giants, Packers, Dolphins) pressured the Bills to act, or risk losing Babich.
  • “Here’s a guy that you have bred… Why would you want to give up the experience that he has and the success?” (Dan, 03:53)
• Element of Surprise
  • Slight surprise it was Babich given his age and the presence of more seasoned coaches, but his development and player results made sense in the end.

2. Internal Staff Dynamics & Comparisons

• Other Staff Considered
  • Al Holcomb and Eric Washington, both seen as more experienced, but ownership of McDermott’s system and Babich’s rapport won out.
• Staff Continuity
  • Despite “toxic culture” narratives, the Bills retain coaching talent—an inside joke:
    • "For the toxic culture that Sean McDermott has bred in Buffalo… Coaches seem to be staying." (Jenna, 13:00)

3. Player Development Success Stories

• Babich’s Coaching Track Record
  • Developed All-Pros (Hyde, Poyer), maximized linebacker talent (Tremaine Edmunds, Matt Milano, and T. Bernard).
  • “Bobby Babich’s players have improved under him.” (Mike, 11:47)
• Comparisons to Former Position Coaches
  • Chad Hall, loved by receivers but didn’t get a shot at OC, unlike Babich.

4. Who Calls the Defensive Plays?

Major Question Pointed Forward

• Should Babich or McDermott Call Plays?
  • Divided opinions. Mike argues Babich should get game-day play-calling to free up McDermott as a head coach:
    • "I am gonna make him the play caller because I’m gonna give him the whole offseason, all the installs. You still have Sean McDermott… But I do think…taking something off the Plate… is the game day." (Mike, 08:12, 09:11)
  • Recognition that McDermott has a strong track record, but playoff game management has suffered.
    • "There were moments he admitted, ‘I didn’t hear this. I didn’t see that.’ That’s one, a lot for a head coach to even admit. And two, a little troubling." (Mike, 09:31)
  • Consensus emerges that giving Babich a full offseason prep could pay off, while McDermott remains heavily involved.

5. The State of the Bills’ Defense – What Needs to Change?

• Defensive Underperformance in Playoffs
  • Defense hasn’t matched regular season form in key postseason games: “The deciding games have not been great for the defenses… The loss to the Chiefs, the Bengals game, they got pushed around, both years on the D line.” (Mike, 14:17)
• Coaching Needs
  • With promotions, Buffalo must re-tool at linebacker and D-line coach spots.
  • "D line is going to be crucial because that line is going to change A lot." (Mike, 19:12)
• Scheme Approach Going Forward
  • Balance between continuity of McDermott’s scheme and openness to new ideas from Babich.

6. Coach Personality & Organizational Culture

• Jokes & Banter About Staff Dynamics
  • Humor about play-caller power: “Believe me, Sean McDermott is not going to say, go ahead, I’m going to go have coffee… He’s not doing that and saying, it’s all yours now, Bobby.” (Mike, 09:03)
  • Snark about supposed “toxic culture”—but clear pride in staff retention.

7. Broader NFL Coaching Landscape

• Coordinators and Head Coach Fit
  • Reflections on the benefits of having coordinators with head coaching experience (i.e., Leslie Frazier flitting around the league).
  • Connection to Brian Daboll and the value of supportive coaching relationships when moving from coordinator to head coach.
  • “I love Brian Dable more than certain members of my family.” (Jenna, 17:12)
• Appreciation for Leslie Frazier
  • Praises Frazier’s professionalism with the press and legacy with the Bills.
    • “The NFL is better with Leslie Frazier in it… always love listening.” (Jenna, 20:09)

8. Looking Ahead

• Timeline for More Answers
  • Expect more detail at the NFL Combine (late Feb) about play-calling and other hires.
  • "That may be when we know the worst. What McDermott loves about combine sauce." (Mike, 15:24)
• Key Remaining Needs
  • Defensive line overhaul and continued development at linebacker cited as ‘crucial.’

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Staff Development:
  “You have signed this guy, you’ve promoted him through positions… it does make sense to not let a guy like this go, especially in McDermott’s system where the two most important positions are linebacker and safety.”
  —Mike (07:22)

• On Play-Calling Questions:
  "I think I'd still like it to be Sean at this moment. But you are kind of... I think it will take some of the responsibilities off of the plate…”
  —Jenna (07:17)

• On Postseason Struggles:
  “Defense has not been what they've been in the regular season in those playoff losses.”
  —Mike (14:30)

• On Team Culture Narratives:
  “For the toxic culture that Sean McDermott has bred in Buffalo… Coaches seem to be staying.”
  —Jenna (13:00)

• On the Bills’ Defensive Line Need:
  "D line is going to be crucial because that line is going to change A lot."
  —Mike (19:12)

• On Leslie Frazier:
  “The NFL is better with Leslie Frazier in it.”
  —Jenna (20:09)
  “Any question that Leslie Fraser got asked, sweet man would just say, ‘You know what, that’s a great question.’ It could be the dumbest, trust me, but he always had a thoughtful answer.”
  —Jenna (20:23)

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Important Timestamps

• Babich Promotion Announced — 01:16
• Babich’s Credentials & External Interest — 03:40
• Why Not Holcomb or Washington? — 06:25
• Babich’s Impact on Player Development — 07:35, 12:10
• Play-Calling Responsibilities Debate — 08:12, 09:11, 18:07
• Postseason Defensive Struggles — 14:16
• D-Line & Linebacker Needs — 19:12
• Leslie Frazier Appreciation — 20:09

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Final Take

This episode is a must-listen for Bills fans who want to understand what Bobby Babich’s promotion means and why the staff chose him now. The hosts expertly mix deep football analysis with playful chemistry, providing both insider perspective and candid, relatable reactions. The big question—who will actually call the defense on game days—remains unresolved, but optimism surrounds Babich’s potential to balance innovation with McDermott’s foundational system.

For ongoing coverage and future answers, keep an eye on the NFL Combine and subscribe to Buffalo Plus.

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Transcript

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[B]

Is the moment where Dan disagrees with you?

[C]

No, I. I actually completely agree.

[D]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Yeah. This.

[B]

You had that.

[D]

You were like, jump.

[B]

Yeah, you were ready.

[D]

I was like, I'm gonna finish this point.

[C]

Yeah, I didn't. I didn't interrupt and I think I lost my point. This is the Buffalo plus podcast brought to you by Connors and Ferris.

[D]

All right, welcome back to a special edition emergency podcast of the Buffalo plus podcast, presented by Connors and Ferris, Mike Catalana, Dan Fates, I am Jenna Cottrell. Please be sure to like, comment and subscribe. We're closing in on 30,000 and we always appreciate the support. All right, gentlemen.

[B]

Very excited about that.

[D]

Breaking news today from the Bills on Tuesday as Buffalo officially hiring Bobby Babbage as their defensive coordinator for this upcoming season. Babbage, guy who has been in Buffalo under Sean McDermott since 2017. Yeah. Mike, what do you think of the move?

[B]

I think we saw this forming. Right. Babich is a guy they think highly of. He was with McDermott in Carolina, comes to him, with him to Buffalo and did a great job in the secondary. Moved to linebackers. Popular coach. But when you saw Eric Washington leave to take a coordinator's job in Chicago, that was. It opened my eyes a little bit to think, well, that's interesting. Maybe they weren't going to make a move. But then you hear that the Bills are interviewing Sean Desai, former Eagles coach, as coordinator. To me, at that moment, we knew the Bills were looking to hire.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think you guys agreed if it was an internal candidate, it was going to be Bobby Babbage. He just seemed like that guy.

[C]

Yeah. I guess I was a little bit surprised by it being Babbage, I guess. Young guy, really. It wasn't the first thing I thought of. I guess I'll just say that it made more sense when he got more defensive coordinator jobs just because I didn't.

[D]

Opportunities.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. I guess. Also, I had. Didn't really look at. I don't know how often you were looking at the Staff going like, who's going to be the next defensive coordinator? I. I don't.

[B]

I. I remember when we talked to him last time, I thought, I remember us talking about that. This guy's got that. And there's people who talk about Al Holman. There's other guys on the staff.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That have more experience. But I thought if Sean McDermott was going to rely on somebody, it just felt like there was a. Obviously a connection coaching. And he's got that. He's got youth, he's got energy. And look, they're going to be on the same page. Certainly correct in what McDermott wants. The next step, Jenna, is, you know, what's his responsibilities going to be?

[D]

Yeah. And I think we'll find that out as, as the timeline continues on. But I will say, to your point, I think when we talked to him during training camp, camp this past season, where you talk about the energy, Mike, you could feel that. And you see the progression of him in terms of what he's been able to do with the Bills. Started as a secondaries coach, obviously was promoted to linebacker, and you saw the success that every position had under him as a coach.

[C]

So.

[D]

So I think when you look at that and you look at how it is in the NFL, it's not who's arrived, it's who's coming up, who has the next opportunity. And him being 40 years old, I think I wasn't like going into this offseason, it's going to be Bobby Babbage as the defensive coordinator, because I didn't think there would be a defensive coordinator considering what Sean McDermott did this past season. But then the tea leaves were when Eric Washington left and I felt like, all right, you have Eric Washington leaving. There's a void in terms of assistant head coach, that type of thing. And then also with the interest that Babich was getting in terms of the packers and the Giants as well as the Dolphins. So to me, it just made sense of, here's a guy, here's a guy that you have, you have bred like you have helped him. Why would you want to give up the experience that he has and the success that he's had and have him out now in another organization, hit a sound effect.

[B]

Any of them. This is the moment where Dan disagrees with you.

[C]

No, I. I actually completely agree.

[D]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Yeah, you had that.

[D]

You were like, jump. Yeah.

[B]

You were ready.

[D]

I was like, I'm gonna finish this point.

[C]

Yeah. I didn't, I didn't interrupt. And I think I lost my point.

[D]

This. Oh, my God. Wait, this is what happens to me all the time or. You talk so long. Both of you talk so long. You circle. That wasn't my point that I was gonna make. That's okay. I was talking just about, like, it's like when you go and you get another job, like, you're in talks with your. Your employer, and then you have another job opportunity. Sometimes that forces someone's hand. Now, at the same point, the Bills could have been like, hey, you know, congratulations, well earned. We'll see you out there on the other side.

[B]

Oh, he found it.

[C]

Got it.

[D]

Got it.

[C]

You talked about the timeline. I guess I do kind of disagree, now that I think about it. This is perfect how this all worked out.

[B]

We know him better than he knows himself.

[C]

Yeah. I think part of it was, to me, the timeline was Babich was first getting interviews with the Giants, the Packers. And so you went like, oh, really? Like maybe. Then they. And we were texting like, hey, if they want to keep Babbage, Eric Washington's kind of in the way of.

[B]

Yeah. And we didn't know. I mean, they gave him the, you know, exact.

[C]

He was an assistant head coach. It was all those things.

[B]

And for people who maybe wouldn't notice it as much, coordinators talk on a day that we. On Mondays during the season. So it's the head coach and the two coordinators. Well, since McDermott was both the coordinator calling the defense and the head coach, it was Eric Washington every week.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

So he was, at least publicly.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

A version of a defensive coordinator.

[C]

Yeah. And you know, that assistant head coach, which is what Leslie was before that.

[B]

Assistant head coach is chief bartender.

[C]

Correct.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

It's assistant to the regional manager.

[B]

It means nada.

[C]

Okay. So I guess that was where I. I looked at it and I. And again, you looked at some of the other veteran guys and Al Holcomb, right where I thought those would be guys that would get that opportunity before Babich. Now, that being said, I love the move. And everybody that we have talked to, both sides of the ball, really have so much respect for what he has done and what you see what he did with the. The safeties, all pros, with Hyde and Poyer. Then Tremaine Edmonds has his best year. Matt Milano goes all pro trail. Bernard has a phenomenal season. Like, all of those things make sense, and I think it will take some of the responsibilities off of the plate, but it is going to be very similar. And they haven't said. Obviously nothing has been said yet about who's going to call plays. I think I'd still like it to be Sean at this moment. But you are kind of. You talked about how the fact of, like, with players they draft, develop, resign, like, you have signed this guy, you've promoted him through positions, you, you've given him all these things. It, it does make sense to not let a guy like this go, especially in McDermott's system where the two most important positions are linebacker and safety.

[D]

I don't get why you think you're disagreeing with us.

[C]

Because you said the tea leaves were. When you saw it at training camp. I didn't still see those tea leaves.

[D]

I just think you saw a guy that obviously was really well respected and still really young. So I think I, I was like, all right, well, like, obviously he had the. A defensive coordinator. I didn't know if it would be in Buffalo, but I thought, I thought I looked at that guy and I said, that's a guy that's. That's going to be a defensive coordinator and maybe one day a head coach.

[B]

That's it. If he was on the offensive side and he had walked by Sean McVey one time in his life, he'd probably be.

[D]

He has the right amount of stubble as well.

[B]

He really is. He's got an offensive coordinator.

[D]

Stubble.

[B]

He really does.

[C]

The eyes.

[B]

He does. He would have gotten a gig, but, you know, it's what ends up happening. I'm gonna hit a sound effect. I'm gonna disagree with Dan on this. I am gonna make him the play caller because I'm gonna give him the whole offseason, all the installs. You still have Sean McDermott, who is a great play caller, has been in his career there with him. It's not like you want to be Andy Reid. You know, where Andy Reid, whether. Whatever they say about how the offense is called, it is a team effort. Some teams are on offense, have a run game coordinator, passing game coordinator right in the full offensive coordinator. They're all in on it. And then there's a system they use to call the plays. Believe me, Sean McDermott is not going to say, go ahead, I'm going to go have coffee. And what, what snack would he have? McDermott?

[C]

Scone.

[D]

Raisin Bran.

[B]

He's not a scone.

[C]

Oh, he would be a scone guy.

[B]

He's not a scone guy.

[D]

Too much flavor, too.

[B]

He's not doing that and saying, it's all yours now, Bobby, you. It's your defense, but I do think you made the point about taking something off the Plate. I think it's the game day. Taking it off the plate. I think preparation McDermott would be fully in with him. But on game day, you're still involved. Join the headset. Knows all the calls. But I think McDermott, I said to you guys, I do think there were moments he actually admitted, I didn't hear this. I didn't see that. That's one, a lot for a head coach to even admit. And two, a little troubling, I would say, during a season.

[D]

That's why I do love this move so much, because it. I think it works out well for Babbage, for a guy to get experience under. Under Sean McDermott, who has a phenomenal track record and his ability to call a defense, and then also to take some stuff off of McDermott's plate. What I mean, no, no, no.

[B]

We wanted you to finish. He can't wait.

[C]

Yeah, I gotta start writing things down because I'm doing a better job. I read the comments. We interrupt Jenna a lot. So I'm trying not.

[D]

You guys do. There's times where I want to be like, can I finish a sentence?

[B]

That's why, even though it.

[D]

I tried to stop him, but you're distracting.

[C]

I'm like, I know we did. Mike saw me flinch and he was.

[D]

Like, see what I put up with?

[B]

It's like a false start and encroachment.

[D]

No, but my point is I like this move a lot. I think it gives the opportunity for growth in one position and then also the ability to kind of focus more on the entirety of this Bills team as opposed to kind of having your head in the sand about the defense. That was my point. Don't be like that.

[C]

You guys are so annoying.

[B]

Wait, wait, wait.

[D]

Shut up. Make your point.

[C]

We talked about, again, the progression of seeing him as a guy and the young, vibrant and the way guys respect him. To me, it felt a little bit like he was going to have to go somewhere else to get that step because it seemed like there were more experienced coaches and in front of him or ahead of him. It kind of reminded me a little bit of Chad Hall, a wide receivers coach that was beloved by wide receivers, didn't get the opportunity to be an offensive coordinator. I think it seemed like he wanted to progress, so I thought he was going to have to go somewhere else to make that step. Happy that the Bills didn't let him go, because I think I would much rather have a Bobby Babbage.

[D]

Oh, okay.

[C]

Than an Eric Washington, in my opinion.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Well, Chad hall also, too. I don't know if it applies because he made a lateral move to Jacksonville.

[C]

Eric Washington feels lateral.

[B]

Yeah. But he didn't have the title, even though he's not gonna be the play.

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

And Bobby Babbage's players have improved under him.

[D]

That's another thing.

[C]

Got him.

[D]

Got him. When you said Chad Hall, I was like, let Mike cook.

[B]

Well, no, only because I, I think he was. Now he's interrupting me. I'm just, I didn't mean to be talking about Chad hall here. I'm saying is.

[C]

I'm all over the board.

[B]

He was. No, he was popular among the wide receivers, but in two of those seasons, guys you wanted to see progress to the next level didn't happen. Now, that's not all on the coach.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

But defensively, I mean, those guys, I mean, look, look at again, it's on Terrell Bernard as a worker, as an athlete, all those things progression into the second year. But damn, he came a long way. Some of that credit goes to the coach.

[D]

Absolutely.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

And it's cool. I think for Babbage, I'm gonna jump in front of you. I just think that mentor aspect, we joked about it before, but I do think that's really important.

[C]

Permission to be snarky.

[D]

When have you ever asked.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

For the toxic culture that Sean McDermott has bred in Buffalo.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Coaches seem to be staying.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And they want to be in that building.

[B]

Crazy wild.

[C]

I just think that's very interesting.

[D]

H, you are so good at the narrative game. I just, My brain doesn't think like.

[B]

That we talked about. I said they just want to be around to see him fail.

[C]

That's it. That's why they want to be inside, to crumble it from within because they despise him so much.

[D]

If they have the opportunity, they want to.

[B]

We're going to get a close view of this. I'm going to sign for three, three more years so I can see it happen.

[D]

That was good, Dan.

[B]

That was.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. It was, say, a little sprinkle of the salt.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

No, I, I, I am excited to see what Babbage will do and kind of what he will develop and how, how this defense will look in addition to Shawn McDermott.

[C]

Michael, you got you.

[B]

So here's something I will say. Sean McDermott's been a great play caller. Wasn't all on him. Leslie was in there before him, but it was obviously influenced by McDermott. The deciding games have not been great for the defenses. That is the playoff losses. That is Correct. Have not been great.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

This last one. Reasons. Borderline excuses with the problems they had. But against the Chiefs, the Bengals game, they got pushed around.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Both years on the D line. Both years on the D line.

[C]

Change isn't going to be a bad thing there.

[B]

Okay. Because they're going to need a D line coach and they're going to need a linebackers coach. But, you know, the loss and the loss to. I would say the loss to the Chiefs in the AFC Championship is very different team. That was a lethal Kansas City offense. And the loss in the. In the game, obviously, the. The game to, you know, 13 seconds came and all that that went on. Defense has not been what they've been in the regular season in those playoff losses. So in fairness, I think you can.

[D]

Add special teams to that, though, too.

[B]

No question. But really. But in that case, so. So in terms of a change, just like we said, sometimes change can be good. And I don't know, we're going to be at the combine. That's only a few weeks away. Maybe a little less than a month or right around a month. That may be when we know the worst. What McDermott loves combine sauce.

[C]

The combine's the best.

[B]

That's when we'll know.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I think, because last year, like we said, it was like, oh, Sean and Brandon are going to talk, and next thing we know, Leslie's leaving. You know, he's taking a sabbatical, maybe to Miami. Very interesting.

[D]

That would be interesting.

[B]

And then Sean's talking about calling plays, and Brandon's like, if Sean wants to do it, I'm all in. So was unique timing for that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But now this is a month before, and. And let's see. Let's see if we know.

[C]

But by then, we had talked about Leslie in Miami. He's interviewed there. Leslie in New York.

[B]

Yeah. That's interesting, though. I don't know really what the dynamic was between the two coordinators in Buffalo.

[C]

What I'm saying is the dynamic would be from Wink, who I don't think understood what the big picture was from what it. From what it appears was that you're an overly aggressive defense, where Dable's like, look at our offense, man. We can't blitz 75% of the downs. Leslie's much more of a Ben, don't break defensive guy. Stay at home. If you're saying, hey, the defense, we just can't blitz on every down. Yes, he has to have at least some relationship with Leslie.

[B]

So you're saying if a head coach has an Issue with a coordinator with a strong personality. It can cause a conflict if he. The coach doesn't think that coordinator is working in conflict that he wants.

[C]

That is correct.

[D]

That is correct. I needed a little levity there. That would be interesting.

[C]

I just think it.

[B]

But we haven't heard that right. And I did. Well say Joe Shane did say they should. I think his response was maybe by the end of the week.

[C]

That's what he was saying. Yeah. Down to the Senior bowl.

[B]

That they should have something. So by the time you watch this and we may already know that the Giants have hired somebody.

[C]

I think it's also a massive to have a coordinator that has head coaching experience. I think is massive for a coach that hasn't been a head coach long while Dable has been around. And we all know. And we all know. Let me look at the camera. I love Brian Dable more than certain members of my family. I think to have somebody else that could help him weather the storm understands the pressure that comes along with it because I think that's one thing. I don't know how we ended up on Dable, but just the fact of understanding the pressure that comes around with being a head coach and coordinators would be helpful.

[B]

You can get to table at any possible thing. There's going to be a podcast. Podcast where you name those family members. Yes. So that would be good.

[D]

That would be electric.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

You'd have to subscribe for that.

[C]

Comment in on this video on the family members.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

If you want Babbage to take over play calling duties because I think that's the next big question is. And you want to what? As I sat here and Mike kind of convinced me. I'm with you.

[B]

Well, because I believe you have a whole off season. Install everything to get him to what. How. Whatever way that will manifest itself.

[C]

But I'm.

[B]

Manifest itself is important. But you've got. You've got that whole off season.

[C]

But. But I'm with you too. It's still McDermott's system. He knows multiple levels and layers of that system. And I think if you can have that fine balance between him calling plays and taking on the majority of it but you also having your hand in the pot. I think I'd really like.

[B]

Yeah. And by the way, when we talked about coaches hiring. Yeah. Linebacker is important. But I gotta tell you, if you got Bernard Milano's healthy and Dorian Williams get him up to speed as that number one backup, pretty good shape linebacker D line is going to be crucial because that line is going to change A lot.

[C]

When you have talked about something that blew me away. When we watched the. The championship Sunday, we didn't talk about it. The fact that Patrick Mahomes hadn't been sacked in his last four playoff games.

[B]

Crazy.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

That's unbelievable.

[C]

Like, I know you can have good scheme and get the ball quickly, but yeah, you have to cause some kind of pressure because we saw disruption, the super bowl that they struggled in. He ran for his life. And we have seen Josh run for his life in a lot of those games.

[B]

And in the super bowl last year when they played the Eagles, that defense had had the record of sacks of the year and turf, as we say, they wouldn't have known.

[D]

Change the cleats.

[B]

Well, change the cleats. Yeah. What do you think the Eagles are the 49ers. They weren't going to be whining about how they lost the game. They lost the game.

[D]

So as much as Dan can circle to D. Can circle to the niners.

[B]

Whiners.

[D]

Sorry.

[B]

40 whiners.

[D]

All right. Anything else? I will say one last point. The NFL is better with Leslie Frazier in it. What he has done, like, always love listening.

[C]

That's a great point, Jenna.

[B]

Anything else you want to say?

[D]

See now, no.

[C]

That was my Leslie Frazier.

[B]

Oh. Any question.

[C]

Any question that Leslie Fraser got asked. Sweet man would just say, you know what, That's a great question. It could be the dumbest, trust me.

[D]

But he always had a thoughtful answer.

[C]

And he faced a lot of dumb questions.

[B]

Who was. Were you walking with me when I was. We were walking to camp and I said something to Leslie about thanks for being good with the questions because some of them were really.

[C]

Yeah. Dumb.

[B]

And he just sort of laughed and he never really, like, Agreed.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Even though you could tell by the look on his face. And I was laughing with Dan. I said, we're going to get to combine. Leslie's going to be there and all of a sudden he's going to be a different guy and he's going to be ripping everything. Awesome.

[D]

I don't think he has that.

[B]

I know. He's too nice.

[C]

Super bowl shuffle.

[D]

Yeah, he was thoughtful.

[B]

I really enjoy played on that crazy Bears team. That's the equivalent of Ken Dorsey being the U quarterback.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Leslie Frazier was on the. With the Fridge and Richard Denton, all those nuts in. In Chicago that that is where he played. But he was a heck of a player, too. In the NFL.

[D]

Definitely. All right, that'll do it for us. Please be sure to, like, comment and subscribe. Like we said, we're closing in on 30, 000. Subscribing always helps us out. So much for Mike Catalana and Dan Fates. I am Jenna Kochel. We will catch you next time here on the Buffalo plus channel, presented by Connors and Ferris.

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