BUFFALO PLUS HOT ONES HOT TAKES PODCAST

Summary

Buffalo Plus Podcast: "Hot Ones Hot Takes" Episode

Date: Nov. 30, 2023
Host: Buffalo Plus Team (Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes)

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Episode Overview

In this spirited Buffalo Plus special, the team delivers their signature Bills analysis with a twist: they challenge themselves to a "Hot Ones"-style gauntlet of increasingly spicy locally-made Karma sauces, provided by Bar Bill. As the heat rises, so do their candid takes on all things Buffalo Bills—on the field and behind the scenes—while fielding fan questions. Expect laughs, pain, and some fiery Bills insights in this unique bye-week episode.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. "Hot Ones" Format & Initial Reactions

• The team explains their "Hot Ones" approach, sampling ten Karma hot sauces from mild to triple extra hot while answering questions from fans ([00:46]-[03:40]).
• They immediately experience the heat:
  "I am immediately sweating." — Jenna ([00:11])
  "I don't know if to drink this water or dump it on my head." — Mike ([00:17])
• Shoutouts to Bar Bill (wings) and Karma Sauce (local hot sauces, discount code LETJAMESCOOK) ([01:10], [03:37]).

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2. Fan vs. Journalist: Objectivity in Coverage

Q: How do you balance being fans of the team and covering them for your jobs? ([04:47]; main chunk [05:38]-[11:35])

• Mike: Describes decades on the beat and the necessity of objectivity, especially during lengthy playoff droughts.
  “Do I enjoy covering a team that wins? 100%. It’s much more fun...But we’re not fans as other people would be. You come to us for an objective opinion on the team.” ([06:36])
• Jenna: Highlights the professional commitment due to their roles as sports journalists for local TV, emphasizing neutrality despite personal ties ([07:02]).
• Dan: Notes his Western NY roots but says he was never a true Bills fan—he saves his irrational fandom for the Atlanta Braves.
  "That’s the point when you’re a fan. It’s short for fanatic...But when it comes to this…I like it when they win because our job’s more fun." ([08:18])
• They reflect on respecting players and maintaining professionalism, especially in tough locker rooms.
  "It’s not a gotcha moment." — Jenna ([09:42])
  “I hate going…a losing locker room is no fun. You feel intrusive, so you just ask a respectful question…” — Mike ([10:01])

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3. Getting to Know the Hosts: Lives, Origins, and Chemistry

Q: Tell us about your personal lives, significant others, families, and where you’re from ([12:59]).

• Dan: Married, two young kids:
  "Two kids. It is so many kids…God bless you. Because two kids is a lot of kids." ([13:09])
• Mike: Father, grandfather, from Southern New Jersey; long career in upstate NY ([13:30], [16:39]).
• Jenna: Not married, new homeowner in Webster, from upstate NY (Saratoga); reveals she hired Dan years ago because of a shared love of Kevin James’s comedy ([14:31],[14:45]).
• The trio shares anecdotes about hiring each other and their real-life friendship:
  "We are all best friends and we do hang out. We spend a lot of quality time. A lot of car trips..." — Jenna ([17:13])

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4. Favorite & Least Favorite Bills Games Covered

Q: Favorite/least favorite Bills games you’ve attended or covered ([19:04]-[28:31])

Mike:

• Best: 1990 AFC Championship: Bills-Raiders “the day the Gulf War started…Bills destroyed them...It was an incredible experience." ([19:18])
• Worst: Music City Miracle, TN ([27:08]): "The worst game ever—there’s no comparable game—was Music City Miracle ... Players are asking me, ‘what are they saying?’…Locker room was insane."

Dan:

• Best: "Snapping the drought" in Miami (2017):
  "Players on the sidelines coming up to me: ‘What’s the score of the Bengals game?’ ... Eruption in the locker room going crazy...Surreal moment." ([21:19])
• Also praises the 2022 Pats playoff "perfect game" and the "snow globe" game.

Jenna:

• Best: Chiefs-Bills 13 seconds game ("un. Like that is a game I will never forget") and the Tampa OT game ("They found something in that game") ([22:53],[23:22])
• Worst: Also 13 seconds—"for everything to come crashing down...that will be a game I will never forget" ([24:18])
• All: Also cite exhausting, forgettable games during losing seasons, and the Miami "Heat Game" (“they probably shouldn’t be playing this game” — Dan, [25:33]).

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5. What’s Holding the Bills Back from a Super Bowl?

Q: What’s the single biggest thing holding this team back from getting over the hump? ([29:16])

• Mike:
  “It’s hard to say…It’s a cop out to say injuries, but you cannot look at this season without saying injuries…But there is something that’s been missing…They always figure it out. I think that’s kind of what it’s been.” ([29:27]-[31:02])
• Jenna:
  “I think it’s confidence. Other teams have done it before…that leaks into the execution aspect 100%.” ([31:29])
• Dan:
  *“It’s a confidence, a mental issue of just ‘we haven’t done it’” — highlights need to "have that little bit of that sense of doubt" erased by experience ([33:02])
• On Josh Allen:
  "No quarterback has ever played better in a game that he lost, in my opinion, than Josh Allen did [in 13 seconds]." — Mike ([33:51])
  "If you don’t understand how good Josh is...you got poop in your pants." — Dan ([34:12])

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6. Roster Overhaul: Safety, WR, and Corner Needs

Q: Biggest roster change for Bills next year? ([41:24])

• Jenna: Safety; Dan: Wide receiver ("They are going to gut [the wide receiver room]"); Mike: Speculates on WR shakeup, Gabe Davis’s future (“You’re talking about him being in place of Trent Sherfield…he might get a one year deal”) ([42:21]-[43:14]).
• On Davis:
  "If he’s the number two on Buffalo’s roster, Brandon Beane should be the number two…not signing him as the number two" — Dan ([43:53])
• Consensus: Wide receiver needs a major upgrade; cornerback also a big concern given aging roster and failed draft picks (see Kair Elam, [47:08]).

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7. Heat and Hilarity Mid-Challenge

• As sauces intensify, so does their banter and struggle:
  "This is not Josh scrambling around and running. This is one step back and bust through the line." — Mike, on extra hot sauce ([48:31])
  "My tongue is not okay." — Dan ([50:08])
• They cool off with milk, fries, and banter about who’d survive longest on a wilderness show (none are campers; Mike recounts failed camping with Jenny, [38:02]).

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8. If Not Sports Media, What Would You Be Doing?

([49:19])

• Mike: Family’s dairy business.
• Dan: Probably food/beverage/hospitality industry.
• Jenna: Lawyer or physical therapist.

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9. Rapid Fire Fan Q&As ("Hot Seat" Round)

• Why do you wear a blazer and hoodie? — Dan credits Dan Orlovsky and post-COVID "relaxed" style ([64:58]).
• Personal car saga — Jenna finally replaced the battered "Blueberu" after peer pressure ([67:13]).
• Team chemistry anecdotes, shared Bills coverage history.

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10. Sean McDermott’s Job Security & Bills Coaching Direction

([71:43]-[87:39])

On McDermott acting as his own DC this year:
"I think with the injuries and issues with his OC, I think it took away from his role as head coach." — Mike ([72:11])

Will he be let go?

• General agreement: Unless disaster strikes, McDermott gets at least another season.
  "He’s gonna be back, unless something dramatic happens…Next year, if Brady really makes it work at OC and Pula talks with McDermott at the end of the year, they might reevaluate." ([72:59])

Should fans “be careful what you wish for” about firing McDermott?

• Strongly argue that excellent NFL coaches are rare, and simply moving on doesn’t guarantee improvement.
  “Do not just say to me ‘fire Sean McDermott and everything's better’—Who’s replacing him?” — Mike ([80:30])
• Warn against "change for change's sake".
• On Brandon Beane:
  "Brandon Beane...has to pick it up here a bit too...to fix this roster." — Mike ([87:49])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Objectivity:
  “It’s not a gotcha moment…do it in a respectful way.” — Mike ([09:42])
• On Heat:
  "Holy stuff." — Mike, taking the final dab ([71:03]) "That is the hottest hot sauce I’ve ever had in my life." — Jenna ([72:50])
• On Josh Allen:
  "No quarterback has ever played better in a game that he lost...than Josh Allen did in Kansas City." — Mike ([33:51])
• On Fandom and Balance:
  “I like it when [the Bills] win because our job's more fun. You enjoy watching us more…when they win.” — Dan ([08:18])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro, setting up Hot Ones format: 00:46 – 03:40
• Balancing objectivity & fandom: 05:38 – 11:35
• Personal lives & team chemistry: 12:59 – 17:22
• Favorite/least favorite Bills games: 19:04 – 28:31
• What’s holding Bills back from SB: 29:16 – 34:00
• Roster outlook for 2024: 41:24 – 47:13
• Middle hot sauce chaos / wilderness Q: 48:31 – 51:00, 37:13 – 39:43
• Sean McDermott hot seat: 71:43 – 87:39
• Closing banter, favorite sauce: 89:04 – 90:01

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Episode Tone & Style Highlights

• Genuine camaraderie and rapid-fire jokes throughout.
• Honest, sometimes blunt evaluation of team and coaching staff.
• Escalating hilarity and suffering as the hot sauces build.
• Substantial, candid football insight even through the comedic chaos.

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Final Thoughts

Even as the lava-like heat kicks in, the Buffalo Plus crew offer nuanced takes, clear-eyed opinions on the state and future of the Bills, and entertaining glimpses behind the scenes of long-running local sports journalism. If you want both authentic Bills talk and to hear your favorite hosts in legitimate physical distress, this fiery “Hot Ones” edition is can’t-miss.

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Transcript

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Holy stuff.

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Oh, it's like.

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It's got good flavor.

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It's hot.

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I am immediately sweating. Oh, man.

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Oh, my gosh.

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Oh, that is.

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I don't know if to drink this water or dump it on my head.

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Oh, my God.

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That one's hot.

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That is.

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And I like the taste, though.

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Holy. I keep doing.

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Buffalo plus, your interactive look at the week in football, brought to you by Connors and Ferris.

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All right, welcome into a special edition of the Buffalo plus podcast, presented by Connors and Ferris, Mike Catalana, Dan Fates. I am Jenna Cotrell. We are doing a special, special Hot Ones edition. So Scared plus podcast. We love the show Hot Ones on the first We Feast network. Sean Evans does such a good job. So we decided to make a. Decided to spice up the bye week with this. Look at that.

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What a host.

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We want to give a thanks to Bar Bill for the wings and then Karma sauces. They have 10 sauces here for us to try. They are locally made. The sauces are in the Rochester area, and they even shout out to them. Gave us a discount code, so you get 20% off an order if you order online any of these sauces. And the discount code, fellas, is let James Cook.

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Nice.

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We shirt you can get at the Buffalo Plus.

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Yes.

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Store.

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Yeah.

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And by the way, these go from most to hottest.

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Correct. So, yeah. So this is mild to insane.

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This one looks like it's ready to explode.

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Notice how the insane is closer to Mike.

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That's it. Mike is not to Dan.

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We have thought about this doing this for quite some time.

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Yes.

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To break in the podcast.

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Yeah.

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This is what we wanted to do. We've explained what Hot Ones is.

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Oh, I know.

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I've watched Hot Ones.

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I like Mike. You say that and then you constantly ask the questions of how this is gonna work.

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Because there's three of us. Yes, we are sharing the questions.

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Yeah.

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So it's a little different vibe.

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Yeah. So if you haven't watched Hot Ones, we're gonna link it in the profile so you can check out the episodes. But essentially what we're gonna do, going to dab the increasingly hotter hot sauces on our wings as we ask questions to one another. I will be explaining the sauces as well as the questions. And we want to say thank you to everyone who reached out and left a question for us. Over 120responses, which was so cool. So, all right, before we get started, like, comment, subscribe. Like comment. You better subscribe for this. I am we. How. How is everyone feeling?

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Very scared.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Little Little anxious.

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I didn't know what to eat today. Like, I, I.

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It's just coffee. Layer of coffee.

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Gosh. Move, Dan. What Coffee?

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Breaking news.

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You guys like hot things. I think more than me.

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Yeah, I mean, I like. I mean, I don't like insanely hot things, but I enjoy. Yeah.

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You guys eat a lot of Thai food. I've never even had Thai food.

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That's not. You never even had.

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Never had Thai food. We always remember how. I always, like, say, like, hey, what do you guys get when you guys get Thai? Thai food?

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Yeah, yeah. Spicy stuff.

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Spicy stuff.

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All right. Dan has the tums. We have milk off stage.

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Right in my buffalo.

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Plus I got. I got french fries too. I don't know. I felt like that would help.

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Well, you just wanted French. You wanted to cook.

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I mean. Yeah, of course I did. Something we need a little treat after.

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But again, thanks to bar Bill, thanks to karma sauces.

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Yeah, Karma sauce really hooked it up. So we appreciate it.

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Western New York Times.

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Western New York. It's a perfect medley of western New York. We get to do a little something. Something different, a little something fun. So thank you and yes, please subscribe because.

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Got bananas too.

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I don't know.

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I don't know, man.

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All right, we're gonna start with sauce number one.

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All right, Dan, you got it.

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That is the.

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Can you shake it up anymore?

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Buffalo. Buffalo, Buffalo. Buffalo. Buffalo, Buffalo, buffalo. Buffalo sauce. B8 for short. It's the homage to the classic cayenne red sauce. This is the mild gentleman. So we're going to do a little bit. Oh, that came out. Yeah. I was to say it was a little quick. Yeah, I was not expecting that. All right, so let's cheers.

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Fam chee.

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I was to say, do we have a lid? Because I don't want you to be owning this back here.

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Okay.

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That's. I'll get blamed no matter what. Here we go. Go ahead.

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As you should be.

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It's not on.

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There we go.

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There we go. I don't spell it on.

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Dan, go ahead. Cheers, fellas. All right, the first question for all of us, this is from wordy0u2. How do you like it? Yeah, good.

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Yeah.

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How do you balance being fans of the team and covering them for your jobs?

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It's delicious.

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Is it?

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That's a really good sauce.

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You know, he's so excited that he handled the first wing.

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Yeah, I'm good.

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Oh, that's so good.

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Yeah.

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Wow. I like that. The wings too, are so crispy.

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A little barbecuey, a little bit Smoky.

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There's like a little bit of spice on the back end. It's like a teeny, teeny bit. Those. That's the mild, though.

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Yeah, I know.

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B8.

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B8. I would buy that for sure.

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Yeah.

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Okay. All right, let's question.

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Yeah. Now let's go in the question.

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So we'll.

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We'll eat, then do the.

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Right.

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The talk about the sauce then question.

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Okay. So from wordy0u2 for all of you, how do you balance being fans of the team and covering them for your jobs? You want to start, Mike?

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You know, it's. It's a question we get asked a lot.

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Yeah.

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And I think sometimes people are upset or offended and we say, I'm not a fan of the team in the sense of I'm trying to be as neutral as possible when I watch it and when I watch the game, I want to know what's happening and then ask the questions that. Work with it and not be emotional in that way of watching it.

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Yeah.

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But there's being a fan and then there's. You know, I've spent the first. How many years covering a great team. They won all the time.

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That was like not trying to be an old.

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It was the Jim Kelly for people who didn't know their worst thing they did was lose the Super Bowl.

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Wow.

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So when you think of it that way. And then I had almost two decades of nonsense where they couldn't make the playoffs and then this. That drought was a terrible experience. It's awful to cover a mediocre to losing team.

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Yeah.

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So my point is, do I enjoy covering a team that wins 100%? It's much more fun. Yeah, but we're not. I'm not. I'm not a fan of the Bills as other people would be. I'm all for you guys. We love that you guys watch us. But I think that because we're not fans, you come to us for a objective, objective opinion on the team.

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And I think context matters because. Because we have this beautiful studio and we do a lot of videos from home and all this stuff. We work at a local TV station in western New York, so we are responsible for putting together the sports cast for our nightly newscast. So we cover a bunch of different sports, but because we are sports journalists, sports reporters, sp, anchors, all these things, we are neutral in the way that we approach things and the way that we see things. And I think that does. I mean, you've been covering the team for how many years?

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This is 36.

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Yeah. What about how. How long has it been for you?

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Eight.

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Eight. Okay. I think I'm.

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We're both eight.

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Eight. Yeah.

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Neither of you guys are 36, correct?

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No, I am not. I.

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So that should give you a little.

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Yeah.

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Context.

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I think Jen and I get asked it a lot because, I mean, I'm from western New York area, grew up in Rochester, New York, and then went to school at Fredonia. So, like, I'm. All of my friends are Bill's fans.

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Yeah.

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And so people are like, people that grew up know me. Like, I didn't grow up having a football team. Like my family, like my household. There wasn't this specific team. There wasn't an allegiance to a team. It wasn't like, oh, my dad cheered for this team, so I cheered for this team too. There was none of that. A lot of times. It was just I rooted for my fantasy football team. And then as we got older and things like that, like, I don't know, I didn't really have a team, so I didn't really get. I'm a die hard Atlanta Braves fan. I'm an irrational person.

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Yes.

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Thousand percent irrational.

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Like, that's the point when you're a fan. It's short for fanatic. Like, like you don't comprehend things sometimes all the time with a level head. That's fine. That's what makes sports great. That's what I am with the Atlanta Braves. Like. But when it comes to this. And Jen, I know we talk about all the time, I'm not a fan of the team. I like it when they win because our job's more fun. You enjoy watching us more talk about this team when they win, when they. Compared to when they lose.

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And two, like, we've been around this team for so long. You get to know a lot of the players and, and there are some guys that you, you know, form personal relationships and you want to see them do well. That being said, it is our jobs to cover this team, make sure we're. We're doing it in an accurate, fair, unbiased type of manner. And I think that's why I think a lot of people enjoy watching Buffalo plus, because we will say how we feel, even if it's, you know, maybe not what fans want to hear. At the same point, I think it's important to have the other side of things as well. So.

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Yeah, it's a great point. I was thinking of the game, you know, like, I think we both, all three of us have a respect and an affinity for guys like Poyer and Hyde.

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Yeah.

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For what they've done 100% phenomenal players. But you got to then go in the locker room and ask them about a terrible moment for them, whether it's the loss of a game. And I'm not looking at it like, oh, it's easier to ask that question to a guy you like or don't. I never think of it like that. I just think, ask them the question. Do it in a respectful way.

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It's not a gotcha moment. Yeah.

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And they're you. Most of the guys are really good. Dion. I just said.

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Yeah.

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Dion's great. After a tough game, I know how bad it is, but I just ask them, and I think they respect that we ask. If you ask a legitimate question.

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Yeah.

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Nobody in the correct tone.

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Correct. Yeah.

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I hate going. I don't. Do not enjoy. First of all, the locker room's a win. Weird setting anyhow. But a losing locker room is no fun. Nobody likes it. You feel intrusive, so you just ask a respectful question, the guy gives a few answers, and leave. It's the difference between being a fan. I talked to some fans after the game on Sunday. They didn't want to see or talk about anything for 24 hours. I totally get that. Yeah, we don't do that.

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Yeah. We don't really.

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We don't have that ability.

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Yeah. There's not the. Yeah.

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And again, I think, John, to your point, too, especially guys that have been around for a while, you do have a professional relationship with.

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Yeah.

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Like, hey, man, how are you? How's the family? How are the kids? Like, that's where it is. Like, we see these players as. Also, as humans. Like, I know we're seeing them.

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Yeah. It's behind the scenes, but we see.

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Them when they're not on the field and don't have a helmet on. And asking them, you know, how are things? Like, I think that's part of it, too. So, again, it's root for the Bills in the sense of our job's better. You like clicking on the videos. It's easier to talk to them. All those things compared to. Look, we did cover the Rex at the end of the Rex Ryan. Time was weird.

[C]

It was weird, not fun.

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You did 7, 16 years of. Of a team not making the playoffs.

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Brutal.

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And I remember Eric Wood at the end of that, when they finally snapped the drought and it was the following year, and he was the one that was like, I'm so glad I don't have to answer a question about the drought. Because our job, we do have to. It's the same thing sometimes over and over again.

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Yeah, yeah. I think going off what you said, it's the. The mutual respect that you've. You come to have with the players after being in the locker room, having respect for them, you know, going about it in a respectful manner. So. Yeah. All right, that was question number one.

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South two.

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All right. Sauce two is pineapple. And I don't know how to say that. Pepper made especially for carnitas tacos. Yum.

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I like carnitas tacos.

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I do too. This is a mild sauce. Okay.

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I'm gonna do.

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Dan's gonna laugh.

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I really like the fur. Like, I. That. The first one was good.

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The first one, we could do all of our wings in it. Yeah, like you could do easily.

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Do I go, got your new rule?

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Is that how that's.

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I don't know. I thought it was like, go jujari jari. I don't know.

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It's g O Yoki Haru. Yes. Oh, that's pretty. That was fun.

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You guys do this to me when I say something like, that was funny. It's like, okay.

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Because it takes us a second.

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We're like, I'm gonna.

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Jenna makes jokes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Number number two.

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Oh, that is so good.

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Very good.

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I like that.

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That would be so good on carnitas.

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Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, no doubt.

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That's almost too good for a wing.

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Yeah, like that should be. That should be on a car, like a taco, anything. That's good. All right, I got. Okay. Oh, okay. I was gonna have a little more, but go ahead. Question two. Tell us about your personal lives, significant others, kids, grandchildren, and where you guys are originally from. That's from Dan Brady, 11:46. Dan, I'll start with you.

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Wife, two kids. Wife right now is out of town. So I'm.

[A]

Are you making some announcements?

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No, no, I'm just saying single dad of two for this week.

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Oh.

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Have a three year old at home and a four month old at home. So two kids. It is so many kids. It is just so many kids. And for everybody at home that's got two kids and if you have more kids, God bless you. Because two kids is a lot of kids. And emerging from Rochester, grew up and went to Webster Thomas.

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Okay.

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Yeah. Michael, father of two daughters, A little bit older than Dan's too, father of two delicious sauce granddaughters, big fan. Now my two little grandbabies, Pop, pop. And they are closing in on two and six months. They're. They're close in age and then.

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Cute.

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I have Two stepchildren and a wife. Well, you know.

[C]

Yeah. Don't that. Well, don't know the story. They'll be like, what?

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No, she's my wife.

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Yeah. My wife.

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Jenny.

[B]

She's your Jenny?

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Ye.

[C]

You guys have been engaged a long time?

[A]

We've been engaged for a long time.

[C]

Yeah. That's fair.

[A]

She keeps me absolutely in my place.

[C]

Yeah. Which that's why we appreciate Jenny. I don't have children. I am not married, but I have a boyfriend. We just bought a house in Webster. Yeah.

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It's where life's worth living.

[C]

I hate that. I'm not originally from western New York. I'm from. I'm from upstate New York. Saratoga Springs. So I moved out here for. I moved originally. So Dan and I knew each other before. We worked at the same TV station.

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She hired me.

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I did. Y. I did. You know what honestly sealed the deal. And Dan knows the answer to this. Dan came in for an interview. And what sealed the deal on me hiring him was the fact that he knew Kevin James's standup.

[A]

Oh, really?

[C]

Game sweat. The small stuff. If you know, you know, that is a. Hilarious. Hilarious stand up.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. So there's that also too. I feel like I saw another question that. What?

[B]

That's one of the greatest questions. Like, again, the fact that Jenna hired me.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

At my wedding. Jen and I had been best friends for a very long time.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Once she hired me, we pretty much have become instantly best friends since then.

[C]

How many years ago was that?

[B]

2015.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

That's about eight years.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And the funny thing was, when I got married, I had always kind of wanted to work at this local news station. Yep. Mike Catalanic called my highlights when I was in high school and things like that.

[C]

That's so cool.

[B]

Won a state title in hockey.

[A]

And the date strikes out on.

[B]

And Mike was a mentor of mine, but I was working at a different station in the same in Rochester and invited Catalana to the wedding. And as Jenna said, it's the long play.

[C]

Yes, it was the long play.

[B]

And he was cornered by my father and my father in law. They're like, hey, what are you saying about hiring this kid someday?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hey, it worked.

[C]

It did work.

[A]

And hey, look at us. Hey, look at us.

[B]

Look at us.

[A]

And Jenna, I brought her up for an interview. When we hired her, she thought it was going to be like, oh, I'm sorry.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

Oh, no. He forgot how to talk. No.

[A]

So I thought it was going to be like an hour because you told.

[C]

Me it would be like an hour.

[A]

And then interview going. And you. I. You were.

[C]

I was late to work.

[A]

Well, it's probably not the first time you were late to work.

[C]

No, that. It's not a good look to say that you're late to work because you're trying to get a job to leave.

[A]

That work for the next job. By the way, I did want to add, I grew up in New Jersey. Southern New Jersey, the Garden part of the state. The sticks, as I like to call it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And yes, I am a South Jersey guy. From Philly guy. I didn't grow up in Philly. I. You have to understand that it's the whole area.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

South Jersey. I'm not Philly, but I grew up around that. But I'm Jersey. But I went to Ithaca, then worked in Binghamton, and I have been in.

[C]

Rochester emotional now since.

[A]

Yeah, Binghamton and then I've been in Rochester since 1987.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Someone asked, you want to get started on another. Another sauce? Someone asked, too, about our chemistry. Like, we are all best friends, and we do hang out. We spend a lot of quality time.

[B]

A lot of time.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

A lot of car trips, and, yes, Jenna's a lot. But Daniel and I handle it.

[C]

Mike talks all of the time. You could do. You could do a radio show easily every day.

[B]

It's called Our Car Rides.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, I put way too much.

[C]

Wow. This is medium.

[B]

And I went with a lot of sauce there.

[C]

Okay. Yeah, this is a medium. So this is called Cosmic Dumpling. This is the winner of the International Specialty Food association award for best hot sauce made for Chinese Takeout. This is, as Dan talked about, a medium sauce.

[B]

I don't want to call you out here.

[C]

What?

[B]

Reusing the same wing.

[C]

I know. I. I like. Why is that bad? I'm saving the extras for later. Is that what this is?

[A]

It's so funny you said that, and I'm like, am I supposed to be.

[C]

No, I just. I don't know.

[B]

It's a different wig.

[C]

Like. Yeah, whatever. Whatever. Whatever.

[B]

The slight. This is the first one I'm nervous about.

[C]

Oh, that's so good. That is perfect. Yeah, this would be great on. It's funny enough. A dumpling. Cosmic Dumpling.

[A]

All right. It's also interesting. You were asking us if we like.

[C]

You like that, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You like that, Kirk Cousins, what type.

[A]

Of wing we like? You're particular.

[C]

I like flats. I am a flats girly.

[B]

Don't care. Like, both kinds of.

[A]

I'm good. I like crispy, though.

[B]

These are These are crispy. Shout out again.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. All right.

[B]

Very good.

[C]

That was question number three.

[A]

I thought that was maybe a little more mild, I thought.

[B]

Yeah, I don't think that's as spicy as the last one.

[C]

Like, I keep wanting to eat it. Like, I keep wanting to.

[B]

There will be time after.

[C]

I know, I know. It's just really good.

[A]

And you have cookies and French fries, so.

[C]

Yeah. All right, question number three. What is your favorite, slash, least favorite Bills game you've ever covered or been at in person? That was from Steve. Steve M. Do you.

[A]

Do you guys want to start?

[B]

No, you start because you take us a story back in time.

[A]

All right, I'll take you the story. The best one ever. Bill's Raiders, first Super Bowl. Incredible experience for me, covering the team to go to the super bowl, park, NFC Championship game. The Raiders were a good team. The Bills were really good that year. They came in and the Bills destroyed them. It was not a competition. It was 38 to 3 at halftime. It was also the day the Gulf War started. So there was craziness going on in the world. They were cutting away from the game. O.J. was working the game. NBC, this is all was going on. It started snowing. I mean, it had everything. The bills won, what, 51 to 3. I should remember the final score to go to the Super Bowl. The Buffalo Bills. It was an incredible experience being there, talking to the players, having them in the locker room. That offense was lethal. Andre Reed, Thurman Thomas. The crowd was crazy. They're talking to us about the Raiders players basically, like, saying, take it easy on us, because they were just destroying them. And you knew Howie Long. Yes. And that team. And that team was going to the Super Bowl. And by the way, like, first of all, I was able to buy a ticket for the Super Bowl. They offered them to the reporters. You could buy them. I think it was like, $100. And I had to bring a checkbook and write a check and pay for it. And I bought two tickets for friends of ours to go, and we were leaving the next day because there was no week between the championship, Super Bowl. So it was a whirlwind. It's a crazy world. But to be there with the fans and the players and them knowing basically for the final 40 some minutes that they were going to the Super Bowl. Like, the game was not in doubt. I think it's because of what it was more than the. I mean, the game itself. I've seen some incredible games, but I would say that's the Best.

[B]

The snapping. The drought for me being. Oh, that's being in Miami. That game was weird to begin with, and Dolphins had nothing to play for. Jake Cutler started that game for Miami, but it was the sense of you needed all of these things to go right. And maybe the game was a little boring, but I remember players on the sidelines coming up to me saying, what's the score of the. Of the Bengals game? What's the score of the Bengals game? Hey, like, let me see your phone. To the point where after they won, I still have the picture, like saved on my computer of Brandon Riley and Eddie Yarborough and those guys looking at my phone being like, oh, we got to get back to the locker room to watch this. And then you were there. We were at different stations at the time, but we were just waiting outside the locker room. And again, your phones are behind. And the eruption in the locker room going crazy. Well, it's fourth and whatever. There's no way that. What do you. Why are they cheering? And then it was pandemonium being let in there. Just. That was like, again, surreal moment. Understanding the context, understanding. I'd only been covering this team for two years and seeing what this all meant. The other one I'd say would be the New England playoff game, which was extremely cold. The Bills didn't punt. They were so good, just dominated them. And that was after the wind game, which was one of the worst games I'd ever been a part of. Then to go in zero degree temperatures and to just embarrass New England was probably those. Those two are probably my most surreal games.

[C]

That's cool. I think for me it was Tampa Bay overtime game. The Bills ended up losing that one against Tom Brady a couple years ago. But they found something in that game.

[A]

Really?

[B]

I thought you would have done 13 seconds.

[C]

I mean, 13 seconds. I love that game because of what that game meant. And just in terms of like the. The scale of everything being in Kansas City and the. I mean, the Chiefs game winning touchdown is literally was at my feet. I actually was nervous I was gonna get hit again.

[B]

Well, you're even your Gabe Davis touchdowns you filmed so well.

[C]

Oh, yeah. During that.

[B]

And you had Josh behind the bench screaming.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Where you're not supposed to film. And it was like that game was it.

[C]

That game was un. Like that is a game I will never forget. But the Tampa game, for me, I just. The sunshine. Seeing Tom Brady in person. I mean, I know we obviously got video of him when he was in New England, but I just thought that. That was such a cool experience. And I remember after that game, Josh Allen walking out in the walking boot postgame and him saying, like, I'll be fine. All this stuff. And he's like. He accidentally said that they won the game. He's like, this is a win. I mean, loss we can build off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And so just. I thought that was the point.

[A]

That was funny. I just asked him about that when we were at the game in Philly.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it reminds me of it a little bit.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it's an overtime loss to a good team.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And they lose that way. But they found something. So. They found something.

[C]

Yeah, I.

[A]

Right now, they found something.

[C]

I completely agree. All right, Dan, you want to get sauce number four working?

[A]

Well, we gotta talk about the worst game.

[C]

Oh, the worst. I would say. I would say also for, like. I would say also it was 13 seconds because of, like, the Bills thought they. I mean, Bill's fans, they thought they won that game. Like, I was getting video of Josh Allen on the sidelines screaming at the guys like, Dion, like, so excited. All this stuff and then for everything to come crashing down and for it to be against the Chiefs and Chiefs fans and, like, all this stuff, I. I think that will be a game I will never forget. But that in terms of that, the result and just how everything fell apart, because, I mean, I thought we were going to the AFC Championship game, all that stuff. And then, yeah, there were some snooze.

[B]

Fests of games early McDermott, obviously, the first two years, the wrecks. So some of these are kind of more like recent. But I'll say where you're filming players singing or celebrating. I remember filming after the Vikings game. Dion, Tyrell, Dodson, they're all celebrating. They're all celebrating after the Vikings after they got the stop on fourth down. Unbelievable play. And Josh fumbles the snap on the next play while I'm filming the Bills bench celebrating. And it's like, what. What happened? Like, that was crazy. And then the. The Heat game in Miami was. Was just absurd.

[C]

Where I literally was bad last year.

[B]

I was literally like, they probably shouldn't be playing this game.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This isn't. This isn't okay.

[A]

And that's a good example of a game when you walk in the locker room and you see that demar game was crazy. I was just going to finish. When you walk in that locker room and see how physically drained those players were, it was. That was. I'm with Dan. I don't think they should have played that game. It was that bad, fortunately. And then the demar game, we were both at that game, but that has ended up being such a positive. I have a different feel about now than I did.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But for me, there's been some. You guys think bad games. Like There was a 6, 3 game they lost to the Browns.

[B]

None of us were at Peterson. Peterman.

[C]

Peterman. No, no, we were Chargers.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Six, three game they lost.

[C]

I'm struggling. Okay.

[A]

Where Derek Anderson playing against them. I think he completed two or three passes of the six, three. It was just not NFL football.

[C]

Oh, a snow globe.

[B]

The snow globe game.

[C]

I love that game.

[B]

How did we miss that?

[C]

I loved that game. Sorry. I was. I was. I was gonna add that.

[A]

Oh, the game with Lashawn McCoy walk.

[C]

Off, touchdown, where Lashawn McCoy was running right at me, that I, I, like, like took my head out of the camera, was like, is there anything else around me?

[B]

They're right. That's the craziest. I. I take everything back, what I just said. That was the craziest game. From the fact that Joe Webb completed a pass to Deontay Thompson on third and forever, that kept that game alive. I hammered the under in that game. I couldn't have. I. I should have put my student loans always bet responsibly on that under.

[A]

By the way, I haven't gotten to my worst game because I've covered so many. I was at the super bowl, wide right. That was a tremendous game. All the other super bowl losses down on the field in la, when the big highlight of the game was Don Bib stopping Leon Let from scoring, he had another. The Bills turned the ball over nine times in that game. But the worst game ever. The worst game ever. There's no comparable game was Music City Miracle. Oh, home run throwback. I'm on the field end of the game. The Bills have just scored. Rob Johnson loses his shoe, runs for a first down. They kick a field goal. All they have to do is basically kick off and the game is over. And you know what happened? And I'm on the sidelines. I'm calling back to the station because this was before you were getting the video on your phone. Yeah, but I had a phone. I'm calling back and the players are asking me, what are they saying? Because they didn't show the replay in the stadium. And I'm saying, everybody I know watching it is saying, it's a forward lateral. It's a forward lateral. Because I think they said on the broadcast they thought it was forward. And then they make the announcement. Touchdown. Place goes crazy. Bill's players are thick, throwing stuff on the ground. That locker room was insane. Wade Phillips was flipping out. He was the head coach, and that was a monumental game. They did not make the playoffs again until your Miami game.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

I've been in a lot of bad moments.

[B]

Miami snow game, that Patriots playoff game.

[C]

Yeah. All right, let's go to sauce number four. This is called bad karma.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Karma sauces.

[B]

This is the first one that says hot.

[C]

Yeah. This one does say hot. Karma Sauce's original recipe pairs the local Finger Lakes ingredients. Butternut squash and sweet potato with habanero peppers.

[B]

Oh, Butternut squash.

[C]

A great. A great everyday hot sauce. And this is the first hot.

[A]

It'll be your everyday hot sauce, Dan.

[C]

It's good. Oh.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

You start to taste that. That has hot. That has a kick to it.

[A]

I don't know, Jim.

[C]

I don't know, Jim. All right, we do have Bill's questions in here.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, I'm okay.

[C]

All right. Kevin Donalyn asking, what is the single biggest thing holding this team back from getting over the hump? It's a great question. Kevin, you start.

[A]

Jenna. Okay. She's not going to start. Single biggest, biggest thing holding them back. It's hard to say there is a single thing for them. Honestly, it's a cop out to say injuries, but you cannot look at this season without saying injuries. It's easy to criticize. But when you look at their defense, losing three levels of players, you know, when you're losing those kind of guys, yeah, they've had moments of making it work, but I think that that has hurt them. And then, honestly, I think we've seen it in different levels. And you can blame coaches, you can blame players, you can blame leadership, but them coming back from being rattled, coming back from something happening in the game and winning, not just coming back. We've talked about all these games. Most of them, they ended up losing no matter what. It was these tremendous games. The Tampa game, they did all the Vikings overtime, the Vikings, they came back in that game, but they ended up losing.

[C]

Execution.

[A]

There is something that has been missing, and it's easy to just say it's Sean McDermott, because he's the head coach. At times, it's been Josh Allen. I mean, look at that game. Yep. The snap. He fumbles. The snap.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You win the game, your defense came through. So I don't know what it is. I don't think there is one thing, but there is something in some teams.

[B]

That they really good Question.

[A]

Always make the play. They always figure it out.

[C]

I think the Eagles are a great.

[A]

Example, but right now, no matter what nonsense goes on with them, no matter bad things they do, they find a way. And that sounds. You know, they always say, oh, the stats will say that these things even up. Yeah. But we watched for years of New England always making them. We've seen Kansas City always make them. And I think the Bills can be there sometimes. It may take one turning their way, but I think that's kind of what it's been.

[C]

I think it's confidence. Well, that's a good part of it. In those moments.

[B]

I was going to say mental.

[C]

Other. Other teams have done it before. Yep, they have. They've shown that when the chips are down, Jalen hurts. You can see all the sidewide sideline cutaway of him on Sunday. Calm. And that works for him. I don't think. Low positive. That works for Josh. 100% each. To each their own.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

But that being said, I think there's confidence in the fact that other teams have done it before.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

And then that being said, I think that leaks into the execution aspect 100%. So it's almost. It compounds things. But I think that to me is. Yeah.

[A]

And when you've done it, you just. You have a bit of an arrogance that we're gonna do it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, you listen Joe Brady just saying because it's Eagles, but it's burrow where they say, we've been there, we've done this, we expect to do it, we're gonna figure it out, we're gonna make a play.

[B]

For how many years was the AFC champion quarterbacks by A. Brady, A. Roethlisberger, Manning, all those things? It's because they.

[A]

They did it. Yeah.

[B]

And they did it time. So this team had this aura of.

[C]

Like, we can do it, we're gonna do it.

[B]

Like, it doesn't matter what we're down. It doesn't matter if, hey, if he has a bad game, we'll pick him up because we got the next one. There's just. There's that one little thing missing for. For. It started with winning the division. That was a big thing. That was getting a home playoff game. That was another big thing. Like, the Bills have checked the turtles, but I wasn't around at this time. But like that image of Steve Young and they pulled the monkey off his back.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it kind of feels like that. There's just. Like I said, I agree that it's a confidence, it's a mental saying. Issue of just, we haven't done it. And in those moments, whether it is coaching, whether it is play calling, whether it is strategy, time management, hell, Andy Reid had didn't know what, still doesn't know how to use timeouts. Going through those things, until you do it, you. You just have that little bit of that sense of doubt.

[A]

And you mentioned the Steve Young thing, but Steve Young, it was about him because the team had one, had won with Joe Montana. And there's the elephant in the room. It's Joe Montana all the time and Steve Young. And the shame of it is the Bills have a quarterback who in many cases has gotten it done, at least to a point. Like, I mean, no better example than 13 seconds.

[C]

Nope.

[A]

I've said to people, this is like I said, all these years covering the league, no quarterback has ever played better in a game that he lost, in my opinion, than Josh Allen did.

[C]

Unbelievable.

[A]

Kansas City in that game. He was what you just saw against the Eagles with the stakes being higher.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

The gutsiest. One of the gutsiest players that way.

[A]

Yeah. He lost both of them.

[B]

You have poop in your pants if you don't understand how good Josh. No, I'm just saying, like, like, all these babies that are on national tv, like, like, I appreciate Dan Orlovsky being like, why are we talking about this game as an indictment on Josh?

[C]

See, that's what. When I hear people, that's what I don't know. You don't know what you're watching or.

[B]

You got poop in your pants.

[C]

Yeah. Again, it's kind of how many times not to be like. Like we're eating.

[B]

How many times you got hit with a bag in the face with a bag.

[A]

Have you told Ben?

[C]

Yeah, I did. He laughed. He got a good chuckle out of that. He's like, it does it not.

[B]

It fits next to your hat.

[C]

I don't want to throw these out. They still have meat on the bone. All right, fine. I'll throw out a couple of them. All right, this is sauce number five, cherry bomb. I actually, I'm very excited to try this one.

[A]

Oh.

[C]

Dan's nervous karma sauce is most award winning hot sauce. Sour cherries, habanero are accented like with ingredients like clove, cinnamon, coffee bean and apple.

[B]

Hot, hot, hot.

[C]

Okay. I like cherry stuff, so I feel like I will like this a lot.

[A]

Make sure we got the lid over here before I go.

[C]

Oh, that's good. You definitely taste like this cinnamon.

[B]

Oh, you get hit with cinnamon first.

[A]

Oh, it's not hot.

[C]

It does get hot.

[B]

I feel like in the back of my. Like, it feels like it comes up here.

[A]

I'm dipping again.

[C]

Did you even dip it? That was sus.

[A]

I dipped the first you.

[C]

That was like you hovered it over the sauce. Let me see.

[B]

A lot of cinnamon. Yeah, it's a very.

[C]

I got the clove, too.

[A]

Correct.

[B]

I think cherry bomb. I think sweet. This is much more warm. This is cinnamon clove winter. This is a winter chicken wing sauce.

[C]

Hot sauce. I like that, though. That'd be good on chili.

[A]

Ooh, right.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

You getting the nose running?

[C]

Yeah. Dan says you didn't have to smoke me out.

[A]

I was just saying, like Dan says, o. Like he's gonna eat chili with hot sauce. You don't like hot food.

[C]

Yeah. You would eat.

[B]

I like hot stuff.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't.

[C]

I. How dare you? How dare you.

[A]

Atomic. You don't like.

[B]

Yes. I don't do, like, pepper like you talk about.

[C]

What do you mean? You do pepper? You do pepper.

[B]

Pepper, like spices. Like a wing sauce isn't like a.

[C]

When you go and get wings, what sauce do you get?

[B]

Medium or hot? Depending on if I'm with Renee or not.

[A]

Oh, interesting.

[C]

Does Renee like hot or medium?

[B]

She's medium.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Medium. That's fair. We get hot. My dad gets mild. I need more wings. When I used to work at a restaurant, he would come in and order wings and a dozen wings and fries.

[B]

Could you grab me some more wings?

[C]

No, it's here. Okay. All right, question. Question five. If the three of you were on a wilderness survival show, who would tap out first and who would last the longest?

[A]

I'm out.

[C]

I'm not. It depends on how much I care what's at stake, because I feel like.

[B]

Well, if it was. If it involved driving, Jenna would be out first.

[C]

A passenger princess.

[B]

I've never been behind the wheel once.

[C]

I don't drive. I mean, I. I do drive. I have a license. He's getting five more.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So that way I don't have to do this.

[A]

I'm tapping. Let me tell you.

[C]

See, Dan, I feel like because you're the fittest of us, there's nothing to do with fitness.

[A]

I am. I'm not a fan.

[B]

You guys all work out. We all work.

[C]

Yeah, we all work out.

[B]

But I'm not a camper by any means.

[C]

I think you would be the betting. You'd be the betting favorite.

[B]

Like, is this, like, survival and backstabbing? Because then, yeah, I'm winning.

[A]

Yeah. Wilderness 100.

[C]

Oh. See, I feel like I could. I Could. I could. I'd find a friend. My lips.

[B]

My lips are warm.

[A]

So let me tell you something.

[C]

Snap.

[A]

So I'm not a camper. Like, I'm the one that says, like, the Courtyard Marriott is camping to me. Right. That's just not me. I'm not contentious. Well, I just don't. I just don't do it. I don't care what it is.

[C]

I don't. I'm not a huge camper.

[A]

So Jenny invited me to go camping when we were first dating. Invites me to go camping. So I got it. She's like, oh, we're gonna go with the kids and her dad and all. And they had it all set up.

[C]

Oh, of course. Milk.

[A]

The kids did the whole bit where they put stuff in the sleeping bag. And they did, you know, to kind of. But, like, what do you mean?

[C]

That is camping.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm like, they did the whole thing. And I'm like. Well, I mean, we're, like, put stuff in there to, like. You think there's, like, a snake in the sleeping.

[C]

Oh, that's cute. That's cute.

[A]

I. I barely slept. I hated every second of it.

[C]

I don't, like.

[A]

I like the bnb. Her dad drinks bnb, so I drink a lot of bnb.

[C]

Yeah, that helps you get this help.

[A]

But, like, no, I'm not. I'm losing. I'm tapping out, and I'm at the agent. I don't care.

[C]

Yeah, I'm tapping out.

[A]

I'm gone.

[C]

I was gonna say, I feel like if we actually had the contest, you would win because you'd, like.

[A]

I just keep talking to you.

[C]

No, left. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yes. No, I think you would win if it was, like, you could have the ability to kind of, like, not. I don't want to say outsmart, but, like, use your. Your wisdom to kind of get things going. You would win if it's like, a competition of just, like, brute force, and then I would not win.

[A]

You would only win if there was food at the end of it.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Essentially, I can tell the sauce hit the side of my face because it's definitely hotter.

[C]

Really?

[B]

Yeah. Like. Like.

[C]

Oh, you. I'm, like, genuinely concerned.

[A]

Hold on now. I'm a little worried about his survival skills.

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

The wings are taking him out.

[B]

I liked it.

[C]

It was all right. Saw six. This is called Ghost. This is the first sauce on the hot, exclusively hot side. Okay. Ghost Island. Karma Sauce's current bestseller, Ghost Peppers are combined with tropical citrus fruits and a Dash of mustard for perfect West Indies curry.

[A]

Ghost peppers. I like curry thing where you're like, oh, don't. Those are the ghost peppers.

[C]

No, that's, like, legitimately what they are. Oh, that's a lot. Daniel, do you want to. Do you want to. Do you want to trade?

[B]

No, I'm good.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I want to at least try this.

[C]

I'm just like. I'm mom moding you right now. Sorry. Do you want to trade? Okay. All right. This is a curry sauce, I believe.

[A]

Curry.

[C]

I like curry, too. Okay.

[B]

You can, like. You definitely smell the mustard, too. Oh, you got on your nose. Did you just get on your nose?

[C]

Do I have it on my nose?

[A]

No.

[B]

I thought you.

[A]

You were like, Daniel, you were, like, in there. I don't want that smelling.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like some of the dabs, though.

[A]

Yeah, I'm going that.

[C]

Oh, that's. That is good.

[A]

Well, I definitely gotta taste the curry.

[C]

Yeah. Little sweetness. I would. Yes. That's got a little Caribbean flavor to die for. Do you like Caribbean food? I do. Jerk chicken.

[B]

I've had jerk chicken, so sorry about that. That's hot. That's.

[C]

That's good.

[B]

It's building.

[A]

I don't know.

[C]

I don't think it's building. I think it's good.

[A]

Got a little bit. If you catch it just the right way.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Just blowing.

[C]

This is from Hiram Moore.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Oh, I know it's early, but already looking into next season. Where do you guys. Jenna. See, the see is going to be the biggest roster change. I think safety.

[B]

I think wide receiver.

[C]

Oh, that's fair.

[B]

They are going to gut.

[C]

That's so good. See, they to me are very loyal to Gabriel.

[A]

Yeah, but. But there's a. This is decision time.

[B]

No, I Singletary and let start every game.

[C]

And they don't talk about. They don't talk about Devin.

[B]

They didn't talk about because they had Josh Allen.

[A]

They let Devon single Terry walk. They. They let Tremaine Edmonds walk, and they.

[B]

Talked very highly about them. Remember how good Tremaine got them in and out of the huddle?

[C]

No, but you. No, I think this is different. I really do.

[B]

So you think they're gonna resign, Gabe?

[C]

I do. I do. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I think they will. Here's what. Depending on the money, I think he's.

[A]

The kind of guy they're going to look to upgrade. You know, somebody. We were talking in the press box this past week about T. Higgins. As good as he is, he does not have a Great history of staying on the field. He's had a lot of injuries. And sometimes you look at those guys that you want to sign that have been out there and you think they can be a higher level guy, but you got to pay them. Like, those are guys that get paid. And I think there's a place they sign Gabe at a moderate contract because they expect to now not pretend he's going to be the two. They think of him as that guy. Yeah, you're talking. I'm talking about him. Him being in place of Trent Sherfield or whatever you could sign him to. He might get a one year deal. Like one year deal. I don't know what's out, what changes. You put a guy ahead of him.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So do you think he's okay with getting fewer snaps? He says, I'll take less money and take fewer snaps.

[A]

I'm saying is somebody in the league's got to pay him.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

And so they'll pay him to be a number two.

[A]

Well, I don't do. Then you.

[C]

Yeah, then you let.

[B]

You're telling me Gabe Davis is going to go out to teams saying it's okay, I'll be the number three?

[A]

No, you're missing what I'm saying.

[C]

See, why does he always do this?

[A]

Yeah, he just. It's like when I. When you guys read me a tweet and then I yell at you like you wrote it and it's not your tweet, but I like to argue about it. You changed our argument. I'm saying is the Bills can let Gabe go out there, see what's out there, and they could eventually sign him to a smaller deal. If he gets offered the money, he's going to go.

[C]

He's going to go. And the Bills aren't going to match it. But I definitely see a reality where the Bills resign him next year and he's on Buffalo's roster.

[B]

If he's the number two on Buffalo's roster, Brandon Bean should be the number two.

[A]

You're not signing him as the number two.

[C]

Okay, but. But I worry, I do worry that the Bills could see him as a number two.

[B]

They've seen it now for two years.

[C]

But they. I genuinely believe they love him like they love Spencer Brown.

[A]

Yeah, but they haven't had to make a decision.

[C]

I agree, but they talk about him in the same way. And I think about different than what they say about Tremaine Edmonds and Devin Siegel. I just.

[A]

Hey, I get. You know what?

[C]

I believe it's different.

[A]

Sometimes all it takes Is one. If there are guys, they try to get signed beforehand. Now, New York, where is your. Can I see your cup?

[C]

Oh, I can see.

[A]

Are you holding on? Can you hold it? Here it is. So I want you to put.

[B]

There's milk in it.

[A]

Okay. There is a mic here in my picture. And I'm going to say this because I said they're gonna. Gabe Javis is going to play great and they're going to resign him during the season. Yeah, I was wrong.

[C]

I was wrong because I wanted him to be better than he is.

[A]

So did I. And I thought, man, what a big. I'm telling you, I was wrong.

[B]

And who was right?

[A]

You were right. See, we can admit it. We're adults. We can admit it.

[C]

Yeah, I. I was wrong about Gabe Davis. I think for what you expect of him and the role he had. Yeah, that's the second part.

[A]

Yeah, I was wrong because I thought Gabe would step up and be so much a part of this offense. I mean, kind of other than the play in the end zone, kind of like he's shown in moments, like, he was good.

[C]

It's the consistency. It's the consistency.

[A]

Now you got to make a call on him. Now you got to sign him. And I think they got to do better. And. And they also need to find an explosive player for this offense.

[B]

Yeah, that's where. That's where it comes down to it, too. Dalton Kate has been great. I would also like to have an explosive wide receiver, too, in the slot to. To be paired alongside.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Dalton Kade's fine. And yes, he is providing so much to this offense, especially as trading for. Like, I, I think it's been a good first round pick. Like, I think it has made sense, but I think if you're looking at priority this off season, it is finding a wide receiver, too, and it is finding one fast. And it's not Gabe Davis. So Gabe is an. Is a break glass in case of. Worst case scenario.

[C]

Yeah. In terms of being a three.

[B]

No, in terms of bringing him back.

[A]

Yes. I think that's why he's out there. He's got to find a deal. He's gonna get his chance to. They will let him explore free age.

[B]

Some team will bring up the Kansas City game and they will.

[A]

They will pay him at a certain amount and then at that point, you. You go the other position.

[B]

They hope somebody overpays like they did.

[A]

Here's another position.

[C]

Yes, but I could see. I. Yes, I completely agree because he was right about that. But oh, my God, he's Disgusting.

[A]

He just.

[C]

Let's get. Let's get another sauce.

[A]

Yes. The other position is corner. Disgusting.

[B]

Corner. Yes.

[A]

They have to make some corners. Corner. Well, we know about safety, but a corner? Because I don't know about your Davious White being back.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It might just go that way. And then they make a call. Like Raul Douglas. Rasul Douglas. A good, good player.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But again, this team, at some point, the Kyer Elam was a huge failure.

[C]

Big mistake.

[A]

And Benford has helped them.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

But you really need.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Corners. You'll need a corner.

[C]

Absolutely. And this roster in general is the oldest in the NFL.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. This is carnival. Carnival yellow ultra hots combined with fresh wine and mango. This is extra hot.

[A]

We still have three more on this side, and we're already to extra.

[C]

Yeah. No extra.

[B]

That question was good because it got us fired up. Like, now we're into the hotter questions.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Come on.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I little miss I like hot stuff.

[C]

Okay. Also reminder, shout out karma sauce if you want to buy any of these sauces. 20 off coupon code. Let James cook. Okay, I'm a little scared of this one. Now we have to go to the T. The. The page turn.

[A]

All right. This one's got some bite to it.

[C]

This one's got some. Okay, this is the first extra hot.

[B]

Oh, boy.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's no delay on this one.

[C]

No, the flavor is really good, though. That still has Grizz flavor.

[A]

This is. This is not Josh scrambling around and running. This is one Step back and bust through the line. That's what this is right here.

[C]

But it's good.

[B]

My tongue.

[C]

I know I want to dip in more, but I think. I know I should wait. Oh, we have milk, too. I'm. I'm starting to sweat.

[A]

Oh, no, I got a little milk here.

[C]

I do, too. That's good, though. I like the mango. There is. There is Lego.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's like in your face.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Like, I'm. I am sweat. I kind of want to take off my sweatshirt, but I feel like that would be a to do. Okay.

[A]

Settle down over there.

[B]

No, we might. We might have to.

[C]

Right? Like, I feel it in my face. All right, question seven. If you were not doing this job, what would you be doing?

[A]

Well, it's easy for me. I got the milk. I'd be working at the dairy, so my family has a plant. We don't have a farm. I. I always joke with people because I say it's a dairy. They always think Like, I'm out milking cows. God bless the farmers. My dad would always say they're the hard workers. But we have a processing plant. My brothers are all in it. My father was my grandfather.

[C]

Try to pay attention.

[A]

So I just lock it. I'd be working. I'd be working with my brothers. It would be. And great. They've done a great job with the business. My nephew.

[C]

Oh. So he gets to.

[A]

Yeah. But I would be. I. I'm pretty sure that's what I would have been doing. Yeah. It's a family business, and it's great. But. Yeah, my sister teaches. She's retiring. The youngest.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Retiring.

[A]

And my tongue's not okay.

[C]

I was gonna say. It's like. It's just still there.

[A]

I'm trying to buy you guys some time here.

[C]

It's not helping. I appreciate you.

[A]

And then, you know, it's. It's. I'm very proud of what they've done.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I.

[C]

Family business.

[A]

Miss out on it a little bit. And then there's times I'm like, I don't miss it at all.

[C]

Yeah, that's fair.

[A]

But. But, yeah, that's what I would have been doing.

[C]

You know what you would be doing?

[B]

Offensive coordinator.

[C]

That was perfect.

[A]

I'm going to take grapes. Outfielder, maybe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I probably would have been. I don't know. My mom's a teacher. My dad works in the restaurant industry. I've always said love, like, the food and beverage stuff, so I would probably be doing something like that. It is so hot in here now.

[C]

It's so hot.

[B]

Hoodies have come off.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

My tongue is not okay.

[C]

No, it's just sticking on.

[A]

I go with the milk there.

[B]

Yeah, I've got lots of milk.

[C]

This is a.

[A]

He brought Tums. What else did you bring?

[B]

A banana.

[C]

Banana. I have fries. Should we try the fries? Do you want a fry?

[B]

Fries are great. These fries are good.

[C]

Oh, these fries are good.

[B]

Jenna, what would you be doing? I. I see what. I thought I might be a. Like a chef. I would have gone to culinary school.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Love cooking.

[A]

Love watching the bear. Watching the bear. Love the bear.

[C]

Yes, chef.

[A]

Chef Dan.

[C]

I honestly don't know what I would be doing. I think I would want to work somewhat around your poli sci major. Yeah. I mean, I do love to argue.

[B]

You'd be a good lawyer.

[C]

I. I like the idea of being a lawyer. There's a lot of paperwork and school. Yeah. But I think for me, I always. I thought it would be cool to be a physical therapist because you're helping people. You're still around sports and, like, being active and helping people lead an active lifestyle. I used to want to be a trainer, but, like, lol.

[A]

I don't think my family would always say you would be a lawyer because you would keep arguing until they quit.

[B]

That would be Jenna. Like, she would just let the person, like, body themselves. Like. Like, they would wear themselves out from throwing all the punches. But luckily.

[C]

Is that. No.

[B]

But that's why I just keep coming back. I just don't quit.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Also, these tumblers can be available on the Buffalo plus store.

[C]

Yeah. If you have someone that wants.

[B]

We're going to make some new merch, too.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

And the. And the coffee. And you see the hats where we got.

[C]

Wait, let me.

[B]

So hot.

[A]

And the coffee mugs.

[C]

If you have a holiday gift for someone, you want to get them free shipping.

[A]

How you doing over there, Dan?

[B]

You hanging in there? Yeah.

[C]

All right. I'm genuinely scared.

[B]

What's messed up is these sauces go from, like, orange.

[C]

I know. They're like.

[B]

Like, cute and fun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And this is just, like, blood red.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Wait till you get the last one.

[B]

Scorpion.

[A]

They always love scorpions.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

This is called Funkin Hot.

[A]

Oh, no.

[C]

So Scorpion disco featuring on Hot One, season 15. Oh, my gosh. I forgot to mention. Yes. Karma sauce has literally been on Hot ones. Yeah, like, I know. I don't think I mentioned that, though.

[B]

Oh, you did.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, I did. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. You're just blacking out now.

[C]

Okay. Probably.

[B]

Oh, it's, like, thick.

[C]

Okay. Featured on Hot One Season 15. Scorpion peppers. I didn't even know those were the thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Scorpion peppers combined with a blend of herbs and spices.

[A]

Is that enough?

[B]

I don't want to be called out.

[C]

That's fair. That's fine.

[A]

It's fine.

[C]

It's fine. Okay. Oh, I might use the straw technique.

[B]

Oh, we're going straw here.

[C]

Oh, no, I think I gotta do more. How much did you do?

[B]

I'm afraid of that, like, a big glob was gonna come out because there's, like, pieces in this stuff. It's not, like a nice, thin, like, buffalo sauce anymore. Like, now there's.

[A]

Yeah, it's some form of pepper.

[C]

Is that good, or do we.

[B]

Yeah, that's great. That's. I think that's plenty.

[C]

Okay. All right. I was gonna say, this is not even the hottest sauce. This is the first of the Funkin Hot.

[B]

Oh, Mike's going.

[C]

Well, no, he's gonna just do the dab.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Don't be fooled. He's not.

[A]

Oh, I'm not an idiot. Well, at times. But.

[C]

I'm scared because I don't feel it yet.

[A]

Oh, it's. Oh.

[B]

Oh, it's not good.

[A]

Here comes the train.

[B]

Oh, it's not good.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

It's like it's coming around the corner. That. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's.

[C]

Holy smokes. Now I'm definitely sweating. It's like you're. I was waiting.

[B]

Yeah, it's here.

[C]

Okay, hold on. I got to get.

[B]

For such a small amount.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Covers your mouth.

[A]

No person could eat wings with that, like. Right?

[B]

Wow.

[C]

Yeah, that's. That's crazy. Michael, did you go back?

[A]

I'm going light on it.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

I was just getting some wing to cover the tape, like the. The heat. I'm not a fan of the flavor, really, if I'm being honest. I don't get a whole lot of flavor. It's just.

[C]

They're just hot.

[A]

You see what I mean about the tr. It's like. Oh, nothing, nothing. And then it's a light coming at you.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oncoming train. That's hot.

[C]

Okay, question eight. Do the Bills have a kicker issue?

[B]

No.

[A]

Yep. You gotta make those.

[C]

Oh, yeah, I agree. No, Dan, just. It's. Sorry.

[A]

You don't think they have a kicker issue right now?

[C]

I think they do.

[A]

Do you have faith in him right now?

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

I don't.

[C]

You do.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

I don't.

[C]

I don't.

[A]

They win the game Sunday.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Make your kicks.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

He missed kicks in which game? The.

[C]

Oh, what was that?

[A]

53. He missed the two kicks in that game.

[C]

It was a home game.

[A]

Yeah. Home game. Night game.

[B]

The Giants.

[C]

The Bron.

[A]

We. Was it.

[C]

The Broncos.

[A]

Were they one? They didn't attempt the 50 some yarder. Good.

[B]

Guys.

[A]

I think he's. I think it's. When I say it's an issue, I'm not talking about you got to cut Tyler Bass. I'm saying he's got to be better. Yeah. And Sam Martin has.

[B]

Not a kicking issue is. Nope.

[A]

It's a kick.

[C]

No. Because I think it affects the way. Yeah. It's bad.

[A]

Oh, it's just. It's like I didn't eat that much of it. It just keeps coming back.

[B]

We got problems.

[C]

I am. I am regretting. This isn't even the hottest. I'm scared.

[A]

We got two more.

[B]

And that was what, eight?

[A]

So you don't. And. And Sam Martin has been. Okay. Look at the game Sunday.

[B]

Sam Martin is no longer a weapon.

[A]

Look at the game Sunday with the Kickers.

[C]

Oh, actually I got a little bit.

[B]

Not only does is not good, guys.

[A]

Jake Elliott makes the 59 yarder. He makes all the big kicks and the punter for the Eagles. I forget what his name is. Something Allen maybe.

[C]

I'm good. I'm. I'm good.

[A]

Was outstanding in that game. Average like 50 some yards a kick.

[C]

Mother fry.

[A]

That was a difference in the.

[B]

Does anybody else like teeth? Like chattering?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I'm just keeping talking right through it.

[B]

Throw me a fry.

[A]

I'm gonna have a plain wing. Cleanse the pallet. Cleanse the pallet here.

[B]

Oh, this is what you all came to see. You all came to see us in pain.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

This is like fight or flight mode.

[A]

I'm afraid what it would be like if you ate a. Like a real bite of that sauce.

[C]

I think your mouth. Your mouth would melt.

[B]

Well, this isn't good. Like we got two more of these to do.

[A]

All right, so wait a minute.

[C]

I think. No.

[A]

Okay, go ahead.

[C]

Going back to it because Dan's wrong. I believe that the Bills do. I think that they. That Tyler Bass can get better. But I think recently he has not been the consistent guy that you have needed him to be. And that has been the difference in.

[B]

Somebody had a Josh Allen problem and it's all. It's a. It's a confidence thing. Let him make a kick or two.

[A]

Not the same. The difference is Josh Allen gets a chance to make 60 plays in a game, the kicker almost cannot. I'm going to say cannot miss. Because they will miss. Yeah, but you only get so many chances.

[C]

Agree. And I'm not. I'm not talking about the 59 yarder. That Jake Elliott like that to me is unbelievable that he made that. But there's other kicks that. That have happened where you think, okay, Tyler Bash should have this and he doesn't. And that is automatic.

[A]

What happened.

[B]

It's like it's a little funk.

[A]

Well, he better get out of it.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

So right now they have a kicking problem.

[B]

I am confident that can make five his next five kicks in the next day.

[A]

That would be great.

[C]

Then that's great. I'm saying right now when you look at it. Yeah, I have.

[A]

Dermot has. You know, it's easy.

[C]

My chip like cutting in and out.

[A]

No, it's easy to just say you're at the 36 yard line. Well, we're kicking it. 38 yard line. We're kicking it. I don't think they feel that way now.

[C]

I feel like I'm breathing fire I don't feel okay. I. I agree with you, Mike.

[A]

I think they have, and I think we're right and Dan's wrong.

[C]

I think right now we are right. Yeah, well, we're only talking about now. Exactly. So when Dan. Dan's gonna try and circle back, though.

[A]

He'S gonna make four kicks in the next game, and it's gonna scratch my tongue, like.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Is he hearing? Because we're predicting his victory.

[C]

No, because we already know. We already know.

[B]

Like, I'm making tonight Mac and cheese for Shane, the girls. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's like, I'm gonna put.

[B]

And like, I'm gonna put on hot sauce. Like, Frank's hot sauce. Like, I like.

[A]

Not tonight, you're not.

[B]

I don't think I'm gonna need to.

[A]

No, you're not.

[C]

I'm so. I'm like, zoning in here.

[A]

Bring some.

[C]

I feel like my taste buds are on fire.

[A]

Give this to the kids. That'll live it up.

[C]

Oh, my God. Poor Shane's having a meltdown.

[B]

There's like. There's bits.

[C]

Okay, okay. This is cosmic disco.

[B]

I'm doing the straw.

[C]

So this is nine out of ten, but they're trying. My God. If you just got goosebumps if you.

[A]

Pick that off the shelf, you'd be like, oh, cosmic. It doesn't say, like, atomic.

[C]

Yeah. Can you. Can you put a little on mine while I read, please? Cosmic disco featured on hot ones season 19. Cosmic Dumpling with a scorpion dust. Scorpion disco twist on yours.

[B]

I put too much on.

[C]

Yeah, that's.

[B]

Yeah, let's take some of that off.

[C]

That is.

[B]

There you go.

[A]

Let's. Let's.

[C]

This is funking hot here. Okay, thank you.

[B]

Oh, you want to throw that?

[A]

Oh, this one's coming out. This just comes out fast, though.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I'm not killing myself on this.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

That last one was.

[C]

I'm scared.

[B]

I love you guys.

[C]

Love you. Love you guys. Buffalo plus fam for you. I'm just buying time here. Actually, I'm just gonna do it. It's like a shot. You just gotta. Okay.

[A]

Off the rip. Off the rip. Not.

[C]

That's what scares me.

[A]

Finish.

[C]

It's starting to build. Is that not building for you? I feel that building for me.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm okay. The other one was hotter.

[C]

I would agree.

[A]

This has a little more smoky taste, too.

[C]

Yeah, but you're not sweating.

[A]

No.

[C]

Oh, I definitely am sweating. Maybe we didn't do enough.

[B]

That's okay.

[C]

I'm gonna do a little bit more. That's like a good That's a good amount.

[A]

It's like. It's not like a time release thing. Is it gonna hit me in 20 minutes? Be on the six o' clock news?

[B]

Nothing.

[A]

I mean. Oh, hold on, hold on.

[C]

I was gonna say. I feel like it. Nip. I think. Oh. Oh. Oh, God.

[A]

All right, now I'm feeling it.

[C]

It just like, took my breath away. I added more. I think you're gonna regret that. Yeah. Sorry I let you astray. Okay. Wow. All right, what's the question there? This is a question for each of us. Okay, Mike, what originally brought you to Buffalo? So western New York.

[A]

Yeah. So I. I, like, I said, I went to Ithaca and then I got a job in Binghamton. And from the day I got there, nice people that I worked with, but I could not wait to leave because I wanted to go somewhere bigger. And at the time, I was in contact with the people here. And this is so long ago that, like, I didn't know what anybody looked like. There's no Facebook. There's no Internet. There's nothing.

[C]

There's no Internet.

[A]

Nothing. No Internet.

[C]

There's no Internet.

[A]

So we would literally. We would shoot highlights. And I used to shoot. Okay. Shoot highlights of.

[C]

That means use a camera for people who don't know which Mike does not use a camera.

[A]

Now, why would I. I have these two. And I would shoot highlights of the Binghamton Whalers and trade highlights with the Rochester Americans with the guys here. And literally. Oh, my God. The stagecoach would come pick him up. Or literally.

[B]

Don't call it a stagecoach. That's what it's called. It's just a bus.

[C]

No, he was making. Wow.

[A]

So we used to literally, at the time, not.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I would take the tape and I would put it. Now this getting hot. I would put on a stage coach on a bus.

[C]

No, I know.

[A]

They would take it to Rochester and the guys would pick up. Then they do the same with us. So I would always be in contact with these guys and say, hey, when you had a job, let me know. They called me up. I came up and interviewed for the job, got the job. I thought I'd be in western New York for a couple of years. And it been three and a half years.

[C]

36 years.

[A]

Yeah. And I started covering the Bills. I got named sports director in within two years. And the Bills went to the Super Bowl. Then they went to the Super Bowl. Then they went to the Super Bowl. Then they went to the Super Bowl. So that's what we were doing. So it's awesome. And I've loved covering the bills and being here, but I thought I'd be here a few years. I've been here all this time.

[B]

When you were on the Stagecoach, were you listening to podcasts like Buffalo plus and stuff?

[A]

Yeah, it was really good back then.

[C]

The carrier pigeons. Bring it around. Latest episode, carrier pigeons. Okay.

[B]

Hey, Miami.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Jim Kelly went to Miami.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Dan, this is actually a great question. Why do you pair a nice. A nice blazer with a hoodie?

[B]

Oh, business casual.

[A]

Oh, no. He does it because his friend doesn't. Dan Orlovsky.

[B]

Orlovsky did it. And then in the COVID era, when things kind of became more lax.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

What?

[C]

That's a good word. Depressed lax.

[A]

What's that from?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

My brain?

[C]

No, that's a good. Like, that is a good word.

[B]

Like, you don't see, like, college basketball coaches in suits anymore.

[C]

Like, it's more casual.

[B]

It's more casual. So like I said, I've even got Mike. Mike had a hoodie in his.

[A]

I did. I did a hoodie and a jacket. A jacket.

[C]

I thought it looked nice. I like Philly.

[B]

Mike's got a pair of Jordans now.

[C]

I know. I do love that kids.

[B]

Like, that's what I do now. And that's definitely more of the network look. And obviously, I think the hoodie and sport code's a casual work look.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Dan's a good dresser. Dan knows.

[C]

Well, I get why you stayed in Rochester.

[A]

And you. Yeah, yeah. Hey, but you guys cover the games on Sunday.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. It's true.

[A]

But it's. You are not afraid to wear what you want to wear.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And that's cool. And there's a few other people at work that cover the bills that do that.

[C]

Who?

[A]

John. John's got a really good dress.

[C]

Oh. Oh, sorry.

[A]

No, no, no. I'm saying there's a. Guys who, you know, have. Have that.

[B]

I don't think you need to be in a suit and tie all the time anymore. I think a T shirt underneath a sport coat still works. I think it's the more laid back, professional look you want to.

[A]

I think you always want to look professional. And there's different levels of that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

In terms of what's more acceptable, what's not.

[C]

Okay. I have a question. Yeah, don't. You're like. Shoulders and elbows get, like, bunchy, though.

[B]

No, the hoodie. Like you.

[A]

It's okay.

[B]

There's certain hoodies.

[A]

Because Dan has one hoodie. We may have to show that.

[C]

Oh, my God. Unbelievable photo.

[B]

Because I Edit looks like a balloon.

[A]

On his shoulders. And I'm looking at Jenna going.

[C]

Off. Okay.

[B]

My ears are sweating.

[C]

I don't. I don't know. Jim, my question is, did you ever get a Tesla? Jenna did not get a Tesla, but I did get a new car.

[A]

Oh, my God. It took.

[C]

It took legitimately eight months to come in, but I did get a new car, so I no longer have the blueberu. Okay. I don't think I told or shared this story on the air, but my dad, he. We resold my old car, which was 12 years old, had almost over 175,000 miles on.

[A]

Got some cash for that that, didn't he?

[C]

Yeah, he got money for it, but his. He told the guy. Poor guy. I mean, like, buyer beware. He was like, oh, don't worry, it was a girl's car. And if you know me, that car had dog hair. I drove the out of it like it was.

[B]

That was not a good. It was not in good shape.

[C]

No, it was not.

[A]

No, it was a mess. And we kept guilting her into trading.

[B]

Yeah, we. We peer pressured her into getting a new car because otherwise she would still be driving around.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I didn't have a car payment.

[A]

That's great. You also didn't have a real vehicle.

[C]

Yeah. My friends would be like, we can't.

[B]

Get rid of somewhere nice. You would take a station.

[A]

I remember.

[C]

Or I would legitimately park, like around the corner.

[A]

You gave me a ride somewhere to get my car or something, and I'm.

[C]

Like, oh, my God.

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

It was a mess.

[B]

Let's do this.

[C]

All right, let's do it.

[A]

Here we go.

[C]

All right, let's do this.

[A]

This one just. Oh, my God, it's burning my hands. This thing here.

[C]

What are you looking for?

[A]

Ashes to ashes.

[C]

It's got the coals on there.

[A]

Yeah, the hot coals.

[C]

Made in small batches by Karma sauce company, Rochester, New York.

[A]

Yeah, small batches because nobody can handle a big batch.

[C]

Yeah. Okay. Ashes to ashes. This is our final sauce. Consists of 63. Seven pot primo peppers. Grown on the Karma sauce farm in Bristol. It is XXX hot triple X hot.

[B]

I'm scared.

[C]

I am.

[B]

Did you put some on?

[C]

No.

[A]

No.

[C]

You? No, he just. He just.

[A]

I was looking at my phone because Jenny was texting me, seeing if I did what she asked me to do today. And actually the answer is yes.

[C]

That's very red.

[B]

It's so red.

[A]

This one's gonna be.

[B]

It says it's 63 peppers. Did you already Say that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. Because I blacked out.

[A]

So you just don't smell it. While someone else.

[C]

That'll clear out your signs.

[A]

You're saying, oh, my God, someone else is talking. You're not paying attention. Why would you do that?

[C]

You're not even close also.

[B]

I know. Hang on.

[C]

Oh, I thought he was, like, done.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

That's what you did before. Just hover it over. Oh, no, that was great.

[A]

There's no coming back from this one.

[C]

Oh, wow. I'm gonna do the dab. This is. This is the last dab.

[A]

Little dab will do. So you don't know what that is anyhow.

[C]

Little dabble. No, wait.

[A]

Real cream.

[C]

Oh, I have no idea what that is.

[B]

Like an old people thing.

[A]

Very much so. This was like when I was a kid, people. One person in the comments will remember that.

[C]

Brill cream.

[B]

Shout out to Brian Suerta, who did.

[C]

All of this work. Yes.

[B]

Behind the scenes, pressing all the buttons.

[A]

And he is gonna eat all of these wings and sauce when we're done.

[C]

There's no. No wings, no going back. I do want to discuss our favorite sauces.

[B]

Yeah. Okay. Cheers.

[A]

There we go.

[C]

All right. Cheers. Look in the camera. One more. All right.

[B]

So scared.

[C]

We do this for you.

[B]

Mike, go first.

[C]

Okay. Wait. But it's like a shot where you, like. You don't want to see someone's reaction.

[B]

Mike's eyes.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Jana.

[C]

Holy.

[A]

All right. Holy stuff.

[B]

Oh, it's like.

[C]

It's got good flavor.

[A]

It's hot.

[C]

I am immediately sweating. Oh, man.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

Oh, that is.

[A]

I don't know if to drink this water or dump it on my head.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

That one's hot.

[C]

That is.

[A]

And I like the taste, though.

[C]

Holy. I keep.

[A]

You all right, Dan?

[B]

Yep.

[C]

My tongue. Okay.

[B]

Oh, no.

[C]

How do you think the DC role being empty this year has affected the Bills and Sean McDermott? And do you think? Yeah, I can't help. My eyes are literally watering. Do you think Sean McDermott would be let go at the end of the season? Let's.

[A]

Let's start with this. I think Sean, as a defensive coordinator calling plays with his defense would have been really effective this year. And we saw it in parts.

[C]

This is, like, pain.

[A]

But with the injuries and the issues with his offensive coordinator, I think it took away from his role as head coach. And I think this one's really hot.

[C]

That's the hottest hot sauce I've ever had in my life. By far. Ashes.

[B]

It's like.

[C]

No, I feel it's my taste buds.

[A]

Now, I would say that I'm talking because it works. He's gonna be back. Unless something dramatic happens.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I say next year, this would be the scenario. Brady really makes it work at OC and Pula talks with McDermott at the end of the year. And they make the decision that Sean's back and he hires a dc and they do it that way, I think.

[B]

Is Robert Sala kidding?

[C]

I don't.

[B]

It was. It was half a joke because he's not getting fired, unfortunately. Mike, what are you doing?

[A]

I'm just seeing what I got left here. I'm gonna go play. That. That one was really. That was impactful.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That one is like.

[C]

That one set the edge around with.

[A]

That one that started right out.

[B]

It felt like it exploded in your mouth.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, it felt like it was just heat everywhere. Milk's not helping either.

[C]

No, it's not. And I feel like talking like fans. The flames.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Sorry. It's just really hot. Okay.

[B]

A going away.

[A]

I'm gonna have another little dip of it.

[C]

What is that, Michael?

[B]

I'm clipping that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Okay. I think I. There has been a lot of heat. No pun intended. Hey.

[A]

There has been cosmic disco.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

On Sean McDermott.

[C]

On Sean McDermott. And I know there's a large majority of the fan base that is upset at everything that he does. There are things that. There are poor decisions that have been made, undoubtedly. But I also think there are other things that have come into play, particularly if we're talking about recency bias. This past week against the Eagles. The two missed field goal or the missed field goal. The block field goal. A drop pass by James Cook for the touchdown. What would have been. McDermott talked about. No one is as frustrated as him hearing the frustration from fans about all those things. I think two things can be true. I think this team can really struggle in overtime in those huge, big moments. I'm. I am struggling so hard right now.

[A]

So bad.

[C]

I think Sean McDermott needs to be better in those moments, but I also think. Oh, get that. The. Get it away. But I also think that he is a phenomenal leader of this team, and I think that he has done a good job of keeping everyone, for the most part, on the same page.

[A]

Go ahead, Dan.

[B]

I'm not sure about his leadership right now.

[C]

Well, your leadership is only tested when things are going poorly.

[B]

He handled the DeMar situation better than any coach, I think, could have ever possibly managed that situation.

[C]

I agree.

[B]

I think his problem started when he put too much faith in a 25 year old kid and gave him the decision and had the impact of hiring Ken Dorsey. I think that's where he started where.

[A]

He like see Josh help him.

[C]

I think that's a hindsight 2020 thing.

[B]

It is, but not for me. Yeah, you did.

[A]

He's sitting there thinking, I should have done it at least four weeks earlier.

[B]

Correct, Correct. So I didn't like the hiring. I didn't like how long it took. I said after this before the Cincinnati game. You're right. Talking does make it so much.

[C]

That's why I feel like I don't even know what I said.

[B]

Yeah, I think that it was a problem.

[A]

So hot.

[B]

So hot. I think. Oh my gosh. I think that was poor decision by Sean. It almost to a fault. Being too loyal.

[C]

I think that is the issue, honestly. I think some of that's the underlying issue for this team though.

[A]

Let's go into the context here. Let's. And, and, and I think Dan's right to this point of him hiring him. But in that moment, they were coming off 13 seconds, the offense was humming like phenomenal. Josh was playing. Just think of the way he played Sunday. Right. The perfect game. The incredible game with the Chiefs. Now they both leaves. You have a guy in house who was working closely with them. Josh likes him. Giants are going to try to hire him. You say logically, if they would have had an issue, if they would have picked generic coach Frank Reich, whoever as your coordinator and it didn't work, you'd be like, why didn't you hire Ken Dorsey? That's in the building.

[C]

That's true. It's true.

[B]

Worked better because you would have had somebody that had coordinator experience. That was my big thing.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

So you went with experience instead you went with consistency and continuity, which wasn't. Which wasn't good enough.

[C]

And again, loyalty.

[B]

Correct.

[C]

And I think that that also circles back. Well, we can.

[B]

So, so that was my thing. And again, if you're upset at Sean McDermott and I totally understand and I'm not here to try and talk you off, and I don't want to come off as a Sean McDermott apologist, because that's not what I'm trying to do. What I'm saying is that if you're really pissed off about where this team sits at 6 and 6, don't be pissed off at Sean McDermott for the game in Philadelphia. I don't think this game is one of the 10 worst games that Sean McDermott has coached. I think he was phenomenal with his defensive Plan in the first half, I understood the decision to take the knee. And with 20 seconds left.

[A]

Well, you were out in the rain. While every other miserable. In the rain offensive coordinator.

[B]

It was miserable in the rain. The defensive line of the Eagles. And you only have one timeout. So you're taking one shot first off.

[A]

Going to say you could have had two timeouts out.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But there before that, the guy makes a 59 yarder in that, like, tip your cap, like.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

What are you gonna do? Like, are you upset that the guy made the kick? Are you upset at Sean McDermot? Be upset the guy that made the kick?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You had James Cook drop a touchdown. You had the Gabe Davis miscommunication. You have a bunch of other. You have Tyler Bass's field getting blocked. You missed another one. We've already talked about that. Are any of those Shawn McDermit's fault? Like, I. I don't see those.

[A]

Because he's eliminated the other targets.

[C]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

So hot.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's bad Leslie Frazier and Ken Dorsey.

[C]

It's true.

[A]

And. And if you fire Smiley, the special teams coach, nobody really care. They don't care as much.

[B]

I'm not here to say Sean McDermott is great in that he's got all this jobs. I said his seat is hot, like. And I think it'll get addressed after the season and his job will be evaluated. But I'm more disappointed in Sean for the Giants game, which I thought they came out completely flat or out coached in the Giants game. I thought the Denver game, they sucked. I thought that game was on Sean. And I would also say the New England game is. Those games are on Sean more than a Philly loss. It sucks the way the Philly game ended it. Mitch Moore said it best. It was a gut punch. Yeah, it sucked the way that game ended. But. And I know the head coach does deserve. He does get the blame. I get that. But I don't think this was one of Sean McDermott's top five worst coach games this season.

[A]

But you're looking. People are looking for blame in this one. And look, he deserves a lot of blame. But I'm going to tell you this. This decision is going to come down to Terry Pula.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And Terry Pula has to look big picture at his team and say, where were we? Where are we? And what do I think we can be? And do not just say to me, fire Sean McDermott and everything's better.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Who's replacing him? You want.

[C]

That is my biggest. That is My biggest thing. People are so mad at Sean and I understand why. People are very frustrated with how things have gone this season. But also I'm like, who is gonna. Oh, you want Joe Brady to take over our first.

[A]

How about Johnson from Ben Johnson? Johnson.

[C]

You want people that have no experience. So you're gonna give the keys to your Lamborghini to the guy. To a person who has never.

[B]

Correct. And you're giving it. And we've talked about this. No, we've also talked about the stages of where this team is. Dable got. We talked about it as he was a. A car on the line. You didn't really know what you had. Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Then Dorsey takes over as he is this Ferrari. He's the Lambo. Like, this is incredible. You're now getting a really nice car that's got some dents in it. Okay. Like it's. It's been banged up a little bit. You don't think. You don't think Josh's confidence, his.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Well, all these things.

[A]

People now doubt him. There's doubt about him. It's a.

[B]

It's a different car. He was.

[A]

He was.

[B]

The car's at a different state.

[C]

Beloved. You're right. Like, he was beloved. Yeah.

[B]

Somebody like Joe Brady that. You're polishing it up again. You're great. This is what's happening.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So again, this thought of. To me, it's. It's in college football because college football fans are die hards. It's the James Franklin in Penn State. Well, he can't get us over the hump. Okay. You win 13 games. 12, 13 games a year. Careful what you wish for.

[A]

Well, you have to find the guy.

[B]

Texas A and M, you. You think you got your guy.

[C]

Yeah, right.

[B]

John Harbaugh or Jim Harbaugh. How often was he going to be gone at Michigan because he couldn't beat Ohio State? He stayed around. Now he's beaten Ohio State three times in a row. It has them in the college football playoffs. Like, it's not always easy. You're not always the Patriots with Belichick. Of 20 years of continued dominance. It's rare. I know some people were talking about. You talked about a little bit of Schottenheimer I don't know about. I don't know.

[A]

Marty Scheide was a heck of a coach and he could get teams to a certain point and they never made it over the top. Guess what? They still never made it over the top after he was gone. They just didn't. That's the Charger way Andy Reid used to be.

[C]

I was thinking of Andy Reid being fired always.

[A]

So it's just such people just who don't know anything. Trying to comment on. Andy Reid was with the Eagles for 13 years. Yeah, he was in five, let's see, five NFC championship games.

[B]

Now it's here.

[C]

I'm, I'm doing a lot a Super bowl.

[A]

But at the end of 13 years it had run its course and run its course.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And by the way, one of the dumbest things he did in Philly was fire Sean McDermott. Not because he fired Sean, but because he turned around and the Bills wouldn't be doing this. He turned around an offensive line coach as his defensive coordinator.

[C]

It's.

[A]

That's a sign that you.

[B]

Who was it again? He came here.

[A]

Juan Castilla.

[B]

Juan Castilla was here?

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And he was the D line coach. O line coach?

[A]

No, he was O line and he was here. He's just like. It was just a bad decision, but it was after 13 years and all kind. And when he left, Andy knew he had to go. He probably already knew he was going to get the KC job. It was all had gone and had been to a Super bowl and all those things, different quarterbacks, all that stuff. Sean's not that yet.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And. But this is not saying to you there's no chance it would happen, but you tell me who you got? Is Sean McVeigh walking through this door? Is that who your next coach is?

[C]

That's the biggest thing is I think it's always like, well, we gotta, we gotta move on, we gotta find someone else. And it's like great NFL coaches do not grow on trees.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That's just the reality.

[B]

Frank Wright has been fired twice.

[C]

Twice in the last year, two years.

[B]

Year and a half. Frank, he's the first coach to be fired in back to back seasons mid season.

[A]

Yeah. And, and look, Frank is a all time hero in Buffalo for what he did. That doesn't mean anything about coaching the team. Frank can't coach. I'm not making him my head coach.

[C]

No, I mean we talked about Ben Johnson a little bit. If people were like, oh, Joe Brady, he should be promoted. But we talk. You, you mentioned Harbaugh and that's a name that has been coming up like, whoa, what about Harbaugh? Why wouldn't he come to Buffalo? And like we talked about, I don't think it would be a good fit with Josh.

[A]

I don't think so.

[C]

I agree.

[A]

I don't think I, I think Harbaugh is A little different breed of cat. It way work in other places, maybe Chicago, because he's going to build them up. He did a great job with that Niners team. Yeah, he was taking a team basically from scratch and building it up. Yep, he's got a lot of positives, but man, it's just so different. The Bills are, you're looking for. The guy I'm saying is, you're looking for whether you thought it was Sean Payton though, by the way, Everybody's excited about five games. Guys had a lot of 500 plus years when he hasn't had the quarterback. Yeah, right.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And, and he also lost a lot of big playoff games when he had the quarterback and he was at home. I'm saying is you think there's this guy that's going to say you just.

[B]

Want change for the sake of change.

[C]

I, that is the perfect way to say it. And I see a bunch of what you ask for. I, I, that's how I feel too. Now, there's not to say that Sean cannot grow and learn because it does seem like those big situations, whether it be confidence and him doubting himself or whatever, some of the decision making deserves to be questioned or talked about. But I also think there is the careful what you wish for dynamic.

[B]

And I'm not sitting here telling you Sean McDermott shouldn't be on the hot seat. You shouldn't want to ask for his head. Those are all valid feelings and I understand all that. It's just not.

[C]

After the Philly game, two things can be true. Sean McDermott can be on the hot seat a little bit, the temperature is going up and also he is a coach that is continuing.

[B]

But it also, this isn't the game to sit there and be like, now you got to fire Sean. If anything, I'm more upset about, like we talked about, he's a leader. It seems like again, not in the locker room. I don't know what any of that's like. It just seems to be when you have those big moments. Sean talked about being a coordinator, going from a position coach to a coordinator is a lot of leadership position. And we have seen leadership from Joe Brady recently. We need to see some of that from Sean. I don't see it. From what I can see on defensive.

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Coordinator standpoint, I would agree with that.

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That's what I'm saying.

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I, I hear you. In terms of that, I agree there is definitely.

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But the one thing I will, I will give Sean credit for and it again and it's not fair to compare like who are the previous coaches during the drought era? Like, those teams all sucked. It didn't matter who was coaching them. The roster sucked. All these things.

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Yeah.

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The best thing that Sean McDermott had going for him and still I believe to some respects, he's an adult in the room. He's an adult. You want your football team being run by an adult? Rex Ryan, Doug Marone, those guys. Not adults. Adults. No, they're children. So, like, it is a big step up to do those things. So that's. That's where it is. You don't want a skunk coming into your locker room stinking everything up.

[C]

Yeah.

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One last thing. It's Terry Pegula's call. He just gave him a contract extension. Yes, there is offsets. If he were to get another job, I think he'd get a job.

[B]

Terry doesn't want to go pretty quickly, but.

[A]

But I'm saying is if. If, say, Sean were to get fired and he goes to Carolina and works with that nut job of an owner, that he would get the money. I get the way that works.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But be. Again, be careful what you wish for. I would also say if Bill's fans want to be fair and we all like the job that he's done, but Brandon Bean deserves he too, because he's missed out.

[C]

Where does he come up in this conversation?

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We talked about wide receiver. We talked about draft. We talked about all the money in ex and things sp on the D line. Von giving you nothing doesn't mean Brandon Bean can't fix it. Okay? Because he can. I think he's a bright guy, but he's got to pick it up here a little bit, too. And to fix this roster. So there's a lot of things. And I'm gonna call this right now. We're gonna be done. And I think you guys agree with me. I think this team takes this week off and comes back and wins in Kansas City 100%.

[C]

I do, too. A thousand. I agree. I do, too. I do, too. I think this Chiefs team, the defense is outstanding. I think the offense has a lot to be desired.

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We just wanted to say, give you a little something for a week. And plus for that, that this team can still.

[B]

I feel like I'm having hot flashes. Like, I feel like it's.

[C]

Don't make eye contact with me with that.

[A]

Really?

[C]

He doesn't get. He doesn't get the joke. Oh, my God.

[B]

Get the joke. But it's one of those things. It's like, hey, that's funny. I wasn't gonna do that to her. I wasn't gonna give her the hey, that's funny.

[A]

We gave it one. Hey, that's funny.

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Just look confused.

[A]

All right.

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That was good. I was gonna say the same one.

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Dan's got the tums for us all.

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God.

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