Buffalo Plus LIVE Pre Draft Special Presented By White Claw

Summary

Buffalo Plus LIVE Pre Draft Special (April 23, 2026) — Podcast Summary

Podcast: Buffalo Plus: A Buffalo Bills Podcast
Hosts: Mike Catalana, Jenna Cottrell, Dan Fetes
Episode Theme: 2026 NFL Draft Preview & Buffalo Bills First-Round Strategies
Special Segment: Hosts' White Claw “Six-Pack Draft”
Sponsors: White Claw

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Episode Overview

This lively pre-draft special dives into the Buffalo Bills’ draft strategy, potential first-round targets, team needs, and how various prospects fit into Buffalo’s future. The hosts field live fan comments and questions, analyze trade-up/trade-down scenarios, and debate which position is most crucial for the Bills to address at pick 26. Interwoven is a lighthearted “White Claw Six-Pack Draft,” giving the episode a fun, conversational tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Draft Strategy: Need vs. Value vs. Best Player Available

• Flexibility at Pick 26: The hosts stress the Bills could reasonably go in several directions—WR, defensive tackle, edge, safety, or even linebacker. Discussions focus on whether to draft for immediate need, best available player, or long-term value.

  "They can kind of go in any direction. They can draft from a position of need or best available." – Jenna (03:15)

• Brandon Beane’s Approach: Emphasis on following the "board" and recognizing that first-round graded prospects may be gone by pick 26, requiring flexibility and creative thinking.

  "At 26, there’s going to be a player there that we know can help us... Even though by the time it gets to 26, his first-round grades may all be gone." – Mike (03:47)

• Don't Overthink Draft Value: The panel warns against focusing solely on value. Drafting a good player—even slightly earlier than “value charts” would say—is preferable to missing out.

  "You're so fixated on value. Teams are sometimes, as opposed to just saying, maybe it's a little early, but better than missing out on the player." – Mike (07:04)

  "If you draft Cole Bishop in the first round, you might be like, maybe we could have gotten him later. But they're really good players and they're going to second contract with us because they're that good." – Mike (05:58)

2. Bills’ Roster Needs & Offensive Investment

• Wide Receiver is a Priority:

  • The hosts repeatedly argue that despite trading for DJ Moore, the Bills' WR room is expensive but not productive; no current roster WR has broken 1,000 yards since 2023 (per Spotrac data).

    "They haven't had a wide receiver...go for a thousand yards since 2023. That is so much money spent for such little production." – Dan (13:09)

  • Comparing past success investing heavily at WR (e.g., Diggs, Beasley) versus patchwork arrangements (Gabe Davis, Cooks, Cooper), the consensus is now is the time to push for a cost-controlled, high-upside rookie.

• "Go Get Your Guy":

  • If the right WR is available, the panel would endorse trading up to ensure a top talent, especially with only one top-100 pick due to the DJ Moore trade.

    "If the difference is getting an okay wide receiver...or going up and getting the one you really wanted...if you pick the right guy, I don’t think you’re going to be disappointed." – Mike (17:59)

3. Draft Class Strength & Trade Scenarios

• 2026 Class Overview:

  • Consensus that the top of the draft is weaker this year, increasing uncertainty and the potential for runs on certain positions.

• Trade-Up & Trade-Down Debates:

  • While trading back is often discussed, finding a willing partner is challenging as other teams may also be looking to move down.

  • Trading up for a receiver (even at the cost of a 2027 first) is justified if the Bills are convinced on a prospect’s upside.

    "If you want him...Are you gonna again, if you pick the right guy, I don't think you're gonna...be disappointed because they have eventually given away those assets anyhow." – Mike (17:59)

4. Deep Dive: Offensive Prospects

• Denzel Boston, Casey Concepcion, Omar Cooper Jr.:

  • All three are mentioned as likely available and ideal fits. Denzel Boston is Dan’s preferred choice, with some comparisons drawn to Puka Nacua for style (not ceiling).

    "The Bills don't have anybody like Denzel Boston...The comparisons are Puka Nakua. Like, that's pretty good." – Dan (21:57)

• Role & Fit:

  • Discussion of size (all under 6’1" except Boston) and potential impact on the offense as immediate contributors, and debate on type (slot vs. outside).

5. Defensive Options: Edge Rushers & D-Linemen

• Edge Rushers:

  • Names like Malachi Lawrence and Keldrick Falk are discussed. The hosts argue the team lacks both depth and clarity at edge due to position switches and injuries (Bradley Chubb, Greg Rousseau, Michael Hoecht).

    "This year to look at what they're going to do and what they want and what they think they don't have...I don't know what they have at pass rusher." – Mike (35:33)

• Interior D-Line:

  • A pressing need with several "mid" options currently on the roster. The importance of a true disruptor inside is highlighted, with names like Kaden McDonald, Peter Woods, and Dominique Orange mentioned.

    "I really think that there's one thing...they don't have interior defensive line." – Dan (39:23)

6. Other Positions: Linebacker, Safety, Cornerback

• Linebacker:

  • C.J. Allen (Georgia): "Green dot" type, leader, strong run defender. Also, Jacob Rodriguez, praised for athleticism and versatility, could be a surprise pick if the Bills want a field general.

    "If you want this guy to run your defense, don't sit back and wait...Go get your guy." – Mike (47:53)

• Safety:

  • Unlikely at 26 but a likely Day 2/3 need due to short-term contracts (Gardner-Johnson, Stone) and developmental outlook.

    "I think they leave the weekend by drafting a safety." – Dan (57:56)

• Cornerback:

  • Sizable debate; only likely if a top talent falls unexpectedly (e.g., McCoy), as faith in Max Hairston is not rock solid.

    "If they draft a corner, that'll say that they're a little bit nervous about Max Hairston as a whole." – Dan (62:00)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Moment | |-----------|---------|--------------| | 03:47 | Mike | “At 26, there's going to be a player there that we know can help us. Even though by the time it gets to 26, his first round grades may all be gone.” | | 07:04 | Mike | "You're so fixated on value. Teams are sometimes, as opposed to just saying, maybe it's a little early, but better than missing out on the player." | | 13:09 | Dan | “They haven't had a wide receiver...go for a thousand yards since 2023. That is so much money spent for such little production.” | | 29:25 | Jenna | “It would just be nice to make Josh Allen's life easier...not have him be everything on every drive.” | | 42:12 | Mike | “A nose tackle will help Dion Walker play more on the outside. I agree with that. I think that's maybe where he fits better.” | | 47:53 | Mike | “Go get your guy.” (On LB selection, advocating for best fit regardless of value charts) | | 57:56 | Dan | “I think they leave the weekend by drafting a safety.” | | 73:44 | Jenna | “Bean did give us that insight...he had Stefon Diggs’ picture up when he was drafting back in 2020 because he thought of that as their first round pick. So maybe he has done that with DJ Moore.” |

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Mock Draft Picks: What the Hosts Want vs. Expect

Jenna:

• Wants: Casey Concepcion, WR – “I love what he could add to the offense… speed and immediate impact.”
• Expects: Kaden McDonald, DT – “Get Leonard his guy, great against the run, classic nose tackle.”

Dan:

• Wants/Expects: Denzel Boston, WR – “This is the year they finally make the decision to invest a first round pick at WR...I think it makes the most sense.”

Mike:

• Wants: Casey Concepcion, WR – “Would love to see them take him.”
• Expects: Malachi Lawrence, Edge – “They need a pass rusher...I think they’re going to feel it’s too much if they double up on WR after the DJ Moore trade.”

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The “White Claw Six-Pack Draft”: Top Flavors (Selected Picks)

Each host drafts a six-pack of White Claw flavors, interspersed with friendly ribbing and banter.
Notable regular picks: Lime, Mango, Green Apple, Black Cherry, Strawberry Surge, Blood Orange, Peach, Pineapple, Grapefruit, and “Big Citrus” (a made-up flavor).
Memorable moment: Multiple running jokes about value, “surge” flavors, snake drafting confusion, and “Swing Juice” (golf lingo).

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Fan Q&A — Selected Interactions

• Bills' fans ask about strategy, favorite picks, and acceptable positions at 26 (e.g., defensive tackle, safety, WR).
• International fans (e.g., from Australia) shout out.
• Practical questions about draft-night distractions: "How much of your night was spent watching the whole draft?"

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Key Takeaways

• Wide Receiver or Defensive Line: Most likely first-round targets, with lean towards WR if a top choice is available.
• Trade-Up is On the Table: If the board falls right and one of the “guys” the Bills covet is within striking range, the show advocates for the aggressive move.
• Linebacker/Edge Sneaky Needs: If not WR, addressing the new defense’s needs at edge or linebacker is next.
• Focus on Best Fit, Not Just Value: The hosts repeatedly advise Bills fans to trust the process and not obsess over immediate draft day “grades.”
• Expect a Defensive Lean: The panel thinks the coaching staff’s faith in current defensive talent may dictate if they double up at WR.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:38 – Introduction & format: Draft discussion + White Claw Six-Pack Draft
• 02:39 – Fan questions: Is DT acceptable at 26?
• 03:15 – Bills’ draft direction: Need vs. Best Available
• 07:04 – Value vs. Fit: Over-fixation on draft value
• 13:09 – WR Room Analysis (Cap & Performance)
• 15:19 – Trade-up scenarios for WR
• 17:59 – Justifying “overpaying” in draft-day trades
• 23:09 – Ranking top WR prospects for Bills
• 35:01 – Defensive Line/Edge: In-depth on Malachi Lawrence, Keldrick Falk
• 39:18 – Interior D-Line prospects
• 44:57 – Linebacker/Green Dot candidate discussion
• 57:56 – Safety drafting likelihood
• 60:38 – Cornerback depth and value at pick 26
• 73:44 – Final predictions: What hosts want vs. expect Buffalo to do

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Tone & Style

• Conversational & Playful: Frequent jokes, relatable metaphors (“draft is shopping,” snake draft confusion, White Claw flavor debates).
• Candid and Analytical: Honest debates about team philosophy, mock-draft pitfalls, and fan reaction.
• Insider Knowledge: Direct references to Bills' press conferences, historical drafts, and behind-the-scenes info on front office thinking.

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Conclusion

This episode arms Bills fans with context on how the front office might approach a pivotal pick 26, the merits of targeting offense or defense, and the prospects most discussed in team circles and media mock drafts. The hosts’ blend of expertise, humor, and real fan interaction provides both a practical primer on Buffalo’s draft weekend and an enjoyable, relatable listen for any Bills follower.

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Transcript

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Do you like the Really?

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I like players with ACLs.

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ACLs. ACLs have become. I don't say non factors.

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Are they an oil change?

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No.

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Literally, Michael, you started talking. I was like, no, sir.

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Because here's again, I will just destroy his point.

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Now.

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From the Connors and Ferris podcast studio,

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this is the Buffalo Plus NFL Pre Draft podcast presented by White Claw.

[C]

All right. Hello and welcome to Buffalo plus our NFL draft show, presented by White Claw. Mike Catalana, Dan Fates, I am Jenna Cotrel. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share. Tonight's gonna be a whole bunch of fun. We're going to be talking the NFL draft, of course, but we want to hear from your. Your questions, your comments. If there's a prospect you love, if there's a guy out there, you're like, you know what? I don't think the Bills should draft them. We want to hear from you tonight. We're also going to have some fun because we're going to be drafting our perfect White Claw six pack. So we're going to do our own draft as well. We're also going to give our predictions of who we think the Bills will be picking if they do pick tomorrow. But Mike, the fact that the NFL draft starts tomorrow, it's wild. We are closing in.

[A]

Yeah. We're in Indianapolis.

[B]

Right.

[A]

We're getting ready for the combine and it feels so far away. And then it's going. Then all of a sudden it starts creeping up on everybody. There's been. I checked. Exactly. There has been 8, 655,000 mock drafts done publicly.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

Other people do them privately. And that number keeps going up. Everybody's done mock drafts. This is a wild draft, though. Mendoza's gone number one.

[B]

Great.

[A]

He seems like a great kid. He's going to Vegas. Good for him. Nobody's paying attention to that. I wish when the draft starts, they boo the commissioner. They start the draft, just pick them. They know we're picking them. And then get to when it starts getting interesting, which is at pick number two.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. This is going to be just interesting, I think, because there are so many players that we have seen mocked by one person or another. Like, I'll even say, like, Jordan Tyson's a good example. I've seen people mock him to the Chiefs at nine. I've seen a mock them to the Bills at 26.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That is a big gap. So we also want to make sure we hear from you if you're following along, whether it's on X or Twitter or on the Buffalo plus YouTube channel comments in. Already seen some good comments. The first one was, if we draft a defensive tackle at 26, is that acceptable?

[C]

Yeah, I would say it's acceptable. I mean, again, do you mean with

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the league reject the pick. It's not allowed to wait.

[C]

We're getting word. It is allowed. No, I do think it's. It's not sexy. Like, it's not like the sizzle that you want on the first round of the draft, but it's defensive tackle. We can get into it. We can talk edge, we can talk wide receiver, we can talk even safety, maybe a corner. Like, we can get into everything. I did want to get a couple of comments in. Christine McGinnis saying, Love a live show. Let's go. Don, comment again. Casey Conception, hype train. Let's go. A lot of let's gos I'm realizing

[B]

now, but Josh's lead from last night.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Michelle saying. Hey, Jenna, Mike and Dan. So, yeah, we want to hear from you if you have any questions, if there's a prospect you want us to in particular talk about. I just feel like you, you know, we talk so much about there being just. The Bills can kind of go in any direction. They can draft from a position of need or best available. But Mike, I do really feel like this year it depends on what it looks like because they could go in a bunch of different directions.

[A]

We follow the board, Jenna. That's what we do. But you, when you say that, I do look at it and I do believe this for Bean. He said the other day, we were there, hey, at 26, there's going to be a player there that we know can help us. Even though by the time it gets to 26, his first round grades may all be gone. That's pretty likely if you stay at 26. But then the question is, has a corner fallen that you wouldn't normally think we'd take that high. And, you know, are they going to go wide receiver if that's the best person on the. On the board? And I, and I agree with you that they have multiple positions that they do need to address.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And could address. And I do think sometimes you look and you say, well, do they really need an interior offensive lineman? They might. And that would be maybe even less sexy than saying defensive lineman.

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Right.

[A]

If you're picking a guard slash center at 26, I don't think they're going to do that. But yeah, I do think there's a lot of things open for them, defensive

[B]

tackle or Interior offensive line to me is like. And the Bills pick at 26. And everybody's all excited. And then they're going to announce it and you're going to go, no. And they'll have the cutaway of the fan that's like super excited.

[A]

The fans at the draft that are all dressed up like Bills fans. Yeah, they are Bills fans.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And they're going crazy because, like, yeah, McDonald, the guy they wanted, they want to run. Stuffing guy.

[C]

Right. I mean, that is funny because that is a real direction, though. I think that they could go in. I do expect them. Well, this is the talk about are they going to trade up? Are they going to trade back? Brandon Bean did say, and you mentioned this earlier, Mike, the fact that they don't have as many first round grades this year in particular, shocking. And we've mentioned. I do. I know they say that every year. I think it would be hard to have 32 first round grades realistically. But this year in particular, we have talked about how it does seem like it's a weaker class in terms of top tier talent.

[A]

Yeah, it. Yes. When you say top tier. Because there's some really good football players there. Right. And if you get. This is what always frustrates me.

[B]

Yeah. What frustrates you?

[A]

A lot of things do, but this really frustrates me. You're going to pick a player at 29 and you're going to say, he didn't think he was a first round draft pick. You know, you draft and then you get that guy and you say, oh my God, I can't believe he was on the board at 38. You're following me. It's like it's too much focus on the number and where they were picked. You have to get the right players. We have seen it. I was pontificating to you guys beforehand. If you drafted James Cook in the first round, if you drafted Osiris Torrance in the first round, if you drafted Cole Bishop in the first round, you might be like, maybe we could have gotten him later. But they're really good players and they're good and they're, they're going to second contract with us because they're that good. And look at Torrance. He's going to get. Somebody's going to pay him a lot of money.

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Yeah.

[A]

At the end of the year. And my only point is you're. You're so fixated on value. Teams are sometimes, as opposed to just saying, maybe it's a little early, but better than missing out on the player.

[B]

Well, I agree. I think there is so much of an emphasis on value, but it also comes back to. I think your other point in there is just drafting good players.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, that's a big thing, too. AJ Epanessa was seen as great value.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay. Not a great player.

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Yes.

[B]

Osiris Torrens was seen as great value and a great player.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So, like, the value can't be the only thing that you're factoring in. Jenna, It's. The floor is yours.

[C]

No, it's like when you. I enjoy shopping.

[A]

Yeah.

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And it's like when you see a shirt that's on sale and you're like, oh, it's a good price. But you're like, but do I actually like it? And there's times where I'm like, no, I don't need to buy this because it's $26 and it's fine. It's like, no, I would rather. I would rather buy something a little bit more expensive.

[A]

Have you explained this to your husband?

[C]

No, he. I package a day. I got a package a day at

[B]

my house that is 100. How I shop is purely value. You're hoping, like, do you like this shirt? I'm like, I do like it. And I'll be like, how much is it? And she's like, $30. Didn't like it that much.

[C]

That's crazy. A shirt. $30 is like normal price for a shirt.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But I'm saying I sometimes I would rather pay a little bit more money for something I know I'm gonna like, and I'm. It's gonna be useful to me. And I think for the bill, like, oh, well, you know, the value here would be this. And it's like, like what you were talking about, Mike. If you can get a guy that you think would be a big piece of your offense or your defense or could be a contributor, it's like, yeah, you might be paying a little bit extra for it, but at least it's someone you know that could make an impact.

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Yeah. Also, shout out White Claw, proud sponsor of this draft show. We're also going to build our own six pack throughout this.

[C]

Yes. Like I said earlier at the beginning

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of the podcast, I can't reiterate.

[C]

Well, do we want to make our first pick?

[A]

Hold on. Really? Shout out to Tammy. She's saying, oh, we were hoping you'd do this live pod at a bar.

[B]

I hope they had a great trip.

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Believe me, we will be out doing our appearances this year. This one, we're in the studio with White Claw and the Connors and Ferris studio. But we will be out.

[C]

Yeah.

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And we will be letting everybody know our tour plans for this year.

[C]

Flash movie trivia saying the draft is shopping. Kinda.

[A]

It is, right?

[C]

Yeah. You're shopping to see how you can build your team better.

[B]

Now give me a dating analogy. Now give me the speed dating analogy of this.

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You guys have your golf and your. I have my shopping and dating. Okay. All right. Well. Well, why don't we do our first pick for our white or white claw draft pick.

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There is a lot of flavors.

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I didn't. I. I genuinely am impressed.

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You know, the. We've known. But you got the surge.

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Surge.

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Little more bang for your buck. Yes.

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A little more pop.

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Little more. It's. I think it's 5% or 8%.

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It's 8% alcohol.

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Right. 5% on regular white cloth and then

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8% on the surges.

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Surge.

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All right. Do you want to start, Daniel?

[B]

No. Ladies first.

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Yes.

[C]

Wow. Michael.

[B]

You. This is for that. This is for that time you gave me the Atlanta game. That didn't end up mattering. You go first. I. I insist.

[C]

So generous of you. No, I'm kidding. All right, so the first pick. Hold on. The pick is in.

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This is your first.

[C]

This is my first round pick for the. In the White Claw draft. I am selecting natural lime. Oh, it's a classic. It goes with everything. It can be summer.

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Look at what my. What does it say?

[C]

Old school. Original. It's perfect.

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That was my number one.

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Perfect top three.

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Everybody likes it. You can get it. It's refreshing again. Any season hits.

[A]

Slaps taking the first pick.

[C]

Yep. Sorry, missed out.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Lime is off the board.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Wow.

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Michael.

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My pick. All right. So I was gonna go old school first.

[C]

Yeah.

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Jumped in front of me, made the pick. This is not about value. This is. This pick has upside. It's one of the newer flavors. I'm going green apple.

[C]

Would not ever green expect that from you.

[A]

I was going to go old school and then into green apple, but I'm going green apple, one of the newer flavors.

[C]

That sounds good for the summer, too.

[A]

Yeah.

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Honestly, fall, I feel like that would be very good.

[B]

Still got my top two picks on the board. On the big board that I'm rocking with here.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

To close out round one, right, we'll take mango.

[C]

Mango is good. Mango is really good.

[B]

Look at this. It just happened to be in my Buffalo. Plus white claw koozie.

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Love it.

[B]

Easy.

[A]

There you go.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Nice.

[C]

Okay.

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Goes off the board. All right.

[C]

All right. Yeah. It's a good noise. Of course, you were gonna grab life by the claw. All right, let's talk about. Do we want to go in terms of players so we can go defense, we can go offense. Do we want to talk more wide receiver? Is there anyone in terms of the comments, do you want to start on the offensive side of the ball, defensive side of the ball? Because realistically, I think the sexy is the. The wide receivers.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But I also could see them going defense. And we've talked about defensive tackle, we've talked about defensive end.

[A]

Come on, let's talk wide receivers. Okay, let's talk wide receivers.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Specter says I want a run stuffing guy. Doesn't have to be a 26. I'm tired of backup running backs putting up career games on us. I understand all of that, but I have been team wide receiver for the last few years and part of it has. I don't know if you guys know this. Sometimes I. It's a little bit of a shtick. I've been known to have a little bit. Yeah, you.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, so you fixate on the one thing like when you said your seven round draft was going to be seven wide receivers, right?

[B]

Yeah, but I've looked at it more just from a football standpoint, a salary cap standpoint that isn't real, but I look at. Just makes so much sense. And I know we've hit on some of these points before on the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel, some of the podcasts we've done this off season, but right now, per Spot track, the Bills have the third most expensive wide receiver room.

[C]

Yeah, that is.

[B]

And they haven't had a wide receiver. Any of the wide receivers in the current room go for a thousand yards since 2023. DJ Moore. That is so much money spent for such little production. And that is where I keep going back to it. And Jenna's made the point before, and Josh Allen was asked about it at his press conference. Like, you're turning 30. Like it's. I'm not talking about championship window here. Like, that's. That's a dumb argument that. That gets thrown around by the national media. I'm talking about, though, when do you start to kind of push some chips in and say, we got to give Josh a guy. And they did it with Diggs and it worked out really well and they did it with adding pieces like Cole Beasley. But I just look at and I say that it makes the most sense financially and what you can get in a talented wide receiver, which I think they will have the option of Denzel Boston, Casey Concepcion OR Omar Cooper Jr. I think one, if not two of those guys will still be on the board at pick 26. This isn't like where it's like, hey, you should get Brian Thomas. You might have to move up.

[A]

But I'm going to make another argument there. I think moving up has so many benefits too, if you get the player that you want. Okay, so trading up, trading up and using asset. In the past, what the Bills have done is not use that asset on draft day. They've used a smaller assets to move up. That's. They have moved up. They moved up for Elam. Right. They moved up for. But I'm talking about going after that wide receiver, especially this year in the draft. Whoever it was, they've used that draft pick at the trade deadline. Yeah. Multiple times. And I'm like, I think, I'm not saying they've already used. They've already used an asset in the second round. So it's tough to give up another pick. But when you get that player to, to Dan's point, it is a cost saving measure. You would not. If you, if Keon Coleman had excelled, right. If he was great, I don't think

[C]

you would even be looking.

[A]

You would. And you also would have not made a move for DJ Moore. That would not have been the case. You would have had your young receiver.

[B]

That and you would have had a

[A]

second round pick and you had a set.

[B]

Yeah, second round, like that's where like you get in this bind. And there are a couple comments here, really good comments. One from Fore Hill, Mike, Jenna, Dan watching from Melbourne, Australia.

[A]

Awesome.

[C]

That's.

[B]

That's bananas.

[C]

That's cool.

[B]

What time is it?

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

What day is it there? I can't, I can't spell, let alone time zones. He says, I think they trade down unless a great wide receiver is available. Beth B. Fitness is saying, I'm expecting a trade back. I don't think that you can go in expecting a trade back. I know Arizona seems to be a team that may want to get in the Ty Simpson game, but I don't know how much you're moving up to get four spots when I don't know who else behind you. Unless you think the jets are going to take them. But it seems like the jets are so set on next year's draft. Right. Taking a quarterback. Why would they use the first pick in the second round on a quarterback? So I don't really know. Everybody outside of the top 10 picks wants to trade Back. I just don't think it's going to happen.

[A]

I think even some in the 7, 8, 9, 10 are still looking to see if somebody wants to give them a ton to move up in the draft. And then everybody in the back end is trying to get out of the draft. It's funny, a couple of the people were talking about it today, so the idea of the Bills would have competition to trade out.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

If they really wanted to move back.

[C]

I think that's the thing. It's like you have. We talk so much about trading back and I get it because you can look at having so much more value also later on, but it's. You have to find that trade partner and sometimes that is easier said than done.

[A]

So. Yeah. And that leaves you sitting there at 26. Go going. Okay, I don't have a first round grade on this player, but yeah, I'm taking somebody.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So you have to go. You. That's where you do need. That's that you trust your board. Right. Who's the highest rated player.

[B]

But that's where I push back a little bit this year, Mike, because I've been a proponent before of trading up to get that value.

[A]

Right.

[B]

To get the guy. That makes sense. Like do what you have to do to get the guy. They have so many holes to fill in. No second round pick. It makes me feel less inclined to give up assets because they have to keep getting younger. They have to keep doing it cost effectively.

[A]

So you have those things and I, I get it with the draft pick. But I'm saying is if the difference is sitting there getting a okay wide receiver, using it on that play or going up and getting the one you really wanted.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

If. Let's just say Casey Concepcion, Western New York native, Rochester once is there at 22, 19, 20, 21, 22. He hasn't been picked yet. Other teams are going to be involved and you want him. Are you gonna again, if you pick the right guy, I don't think you're gonna. I don't think you're going to be disappointed because they have eventually given away those assets anyhow.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, I hear that too. We have a comment from @tWeech45. Super tip. He said how far would 20, 27 first rounder move us up? I mean that's, that's dramatic.

[B]

Like probably get you to 11.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because look at this draft right where the Chiefs who had been in three straight Super Bowls had issues, injury to Mahomes. Where are they picking? Nine, nine, nine.

[C]

It's crazy.

[A]

You never know. And look, obviously nobody wants to see that happen to the Bills, but the Bills are always picking the 20s to 30 and that's the idea that, oh, okay, this is what they're giving up. But you, you don't know what next year brings. And Baltimore's picking what for 14th? Is that I think where their first pick is in the draft?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

These are teams that you would not have expected that. So, yeah, I still think somebody would absolutely be chasing the Bills first round pick because you never know what happens.

[B]

It is also weird. I think this is part of like the poly market world now that we're living in. And Kalshi and all this stuff that goes on.

[C]

I just found out about Kelsey.

[B]

Okay, welcome.

[C]

You can bet on the weather.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

That's wild.

[B]

The fact that, that I think.

[A]

Can you bet on what we're gonna say? You think there's a. There's.

[C]

And again and all those things.

[B]

Will Dan misspell something on this podcast? Yes.

[C]

Hammer the over. What were you saying?

[B]

The fact that I lost my train of thought for a second, but, oh, that's what it was. The Bills team site has put out like their mock drafts and they have been tracking other people's mock drafts. Do you know what players been mocked to the Bills the most?

[C]

Denzel Boston.

[B]

Denzel Boston. 12 times he's been mocked to the Bills.

[C]

It's so hard though because there's some mocks that I see him going at like 17, 18, and then others that it's like, oh, and pick 31. The dolphins are 30. The dolphins.

[A]

So Connecticut bills fan says, I assume that's from ect. Bills fan. If you get a stud wide receiver at 26, how many targets are actually going to be available for them?

[B]

A lot. A lot, A lot.

[A]

Yeah, they. Josh Allen, as great as he is, his numbers as a quarterback passing are pretty pedestrian.

[B]

Took the words right out of my mouth. Like we have. I know there's this thought of like, oh, this or that can get it going. Or like this wide receiver. Like some people are talking about like production or if a team wants to move on. Like here's a prime example. DJ Moore, his numbers were down, right? And they're like, well, Caleb Williams wasn't great. They didn't work well together. It's like Garrett Wilson still puts up good numbers with Curly, Larry and Mo throwing him the football. If you're a good wide receiver, you're a good wide receiver. And I guess that's where to say that this Bill's wide receiver Room, even with the addition of DJ Moore is championship caliber to me is still crazy because of what we've seen the last two years. Josh hasn't thrown for 4, 000 yards.

[A]

Let me tell you, you draft Casey Concepcion and you make your three. Shakir Concepcion, dj DJ Moore.

[C]

Dj. Yeah. DJ Casey.

[B]

You don't have a six foot one wide receiver. Everybody's six foot and under.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

They just. I. I don't think that's as impactful

[C]

as his Denzel Boston.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Bias.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The Bills don't have anybody like Denzel Boston. And before somebody comments in his comparison to Keon, physically, he's compared to in. The comparisons are Pukinakua. Like, that's pretty good.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, well, yeah. Okay.

[B]

What you comparisons. You use those comparisons in all of your research and now you're poo pooing the one from my guy.

[C]

First of all, the. The phrase poo pooing is so funny to me, but second of all, I use it as like a point of reference. But saying a guy is gonna be like Puka Nakua, that's like the. The ceiling of the ceiling. Like, I don't expect that to actually be.

[B]

I'm not saying it.

[C]

I think there's comparables. That's why they're obviously NFL comped like them. But I don't look at him and say that guy's gonna be Puka Nakua.

[B]

I'm not either.

[C]

Didn't you just say that?

[A]

Boran says it's not gonna happen. Dan, your Rome will be gone.

[C]

Oh, you're Roman, dude. Also, real quick, I want to give Tommy's comment. Just got my buffalo plus coffee mug in the mail. Love it. Shout out you Tommy. Thank you for supporting the channel.

[B]

So if I had to rank him, obviously it's Denzel Boston. I have been enamored with him.

[C]

I'm so shocked.

[A]

Pops Mafia don't poo poo on Puka.

[B]

Then Casey Concepcion and then Omar Cooper Jr. Omar Cooper Jr. Played pretty much exclusively in the slot this last year at Indiana. I know they say he can play outside, but it's kind of. That worries me a little bit. I still, I still think he has the size to play outside. He's like almost six. One could be out there, but that just has me a little bit concerned. Again, we've talked about the Khalil Shakir effect, that that's how you trade back

[A]

and take Chris Bell.

[B]

That's such a gamble. What are you getting? You're getting a second plus if you trade back.

[A]

No, you're probably getting a third.

[B]

That's not worth it to me. No. You don't like the player that feels a little keonish.

[A]

Do you like them, really?

[B]

I like players with ACLs.

[A]

ACLs. ACLs have become. I don't say non factors.

[B]

Are they an oil change?

[A]

Nope.

[C]

Literally, Michael, you started talking. I was like, no, no.

[A]

So. Because here's again, I will just destroy his point in baseball. Baseball analogy. How are they looked at with Tommy John? It takes a while to come back from Tommy John surgery. But teams don't shy away from players that have had Tommy John surgery. They don't shy away from players that have had an ACL injury. They don't anymore. It used to be done. That player will never be the same. That's what I'm saying to you.

[B]

It's not a bad comparison. I'm trying to.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Trying to find a way to debunk that.

[A]

All right.

[C]

You keep worrying about Lyle saying it's destiny. The Yankees are playing Boston. The Sabers are playing Boston. The Bills draft Boston.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Well done.

[B]

Great comment. Also, the one thing I want to say is we talked about the cost effectiveness, and I know there is such an emphasis on defense and whether it is that defensive tackle or a linebacker or somebody like that, I'm just seeing what I have.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

They talk about the way your season ends. Says a lot about your team.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I'm not. I don't want this to turn into where you're arguing two different things, because the defense does that. I know the defense does need to be improved. It does need to be revamped. Jim Leonard, I think, will be a good defensive coordinator, but that doesn't take away from the, like, four last five exits in the postseason. Ten points against Cincinnati at home. Tyler Bass misses a field goal with a chance to tie it. Dalton Kincaid drops a pass with the. The Bills had a chance to tie the game or take the lead, and you had the ball in overtime in Denver and didn't get it done. So this thought that the Bills lose in the playoffs because of the defense, I don't think is the entire story.

[A]

It lets the offense off the hook.

[B]

I agree. Yes.

[C]

Yeah. That's fair.

[A]

And so, by the way, your Tyler Bass missing the field goal is true. Which would have only tied the game because they had the ball offensively driving with a chance to take the lead.

[B]

So that's where I guess. And I made a reel about it. It's on the. You. It's on the. Tick tock. And On Instagram, it's the tick tock. But I'm saying like there is, it does come to a point where I'm just like, go outscore teams.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like the offense went stale in Denver for five series. Like the defense got five stops.

[C]

Yeah. Like the defense kept them in that game.

[B]

So to sit here and say the defense stinks. The defense thinks it's like, I, I think that's part of the story. I don't think it's easy. I think it's the easy.

[C]

I think it's a lazy take.

[B]

It's a lazy take.

[C]

Thank you. Yeah, I do think it's a lazy take.

[B]

So that's where I'm still on this offensive side of like giving more weapons to Josh Allen who's about to turn 30 and not having this be some Aaron Rodgers scenario where he doesn't get a true number one wide receiver. I understand they traded a first round pick for Diggs. I understand they've now traded a second round pick for DJ Moore. That's all fine and dandy, but like to get more cost effective and to improve the offense, I think that also helps the defense.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That when they become more predictable because they're coming from behind, I think is a big way to improve this team.

[C]

Yeah. We're getting a lot of comments like Todd saying what the Bills had the lead in Denver and the defense let them go right down the field and score. That is why the head coach is not here. I'm going to push back on that just because we saw how poorly the offense was going and the defense made stops in the game to help keep the, the team afloat and let the offense get going. Now look, I get it. I mean the defense made you stop in overtime as well over five times.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

The offense had five turnovers.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're kind of omitting that point.

[C]

Yes, yes.

[A]

And the defense had made stops and then failed in that spot. Because if you do remember, overtime started and the defense got to stop.

[C]

Correct.

[A]

The offense had a chance to win, so.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're throwing the ball to Brandon Cooks.

[C]

Yes. In a, in the biggest point of the season in overtime when you need a catch.

[B]

Catch or not.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

You're throwing it to Brandon Cook who

[C]

has joined the team.

[A]

Alan is doing the same thing. So 500 yards of offense, five turnovers in the game on offense.

[C]

That's really hard to win. To win a game when you, you

[A]

have five turnovers, you put up yardage. But they, they obviously could have scored

[B]

more if they weren't And I love Jordan Smith. The comment, it's the worst defense in NFL history. Good grief.

[C]

It's not the worst defense in NFL playoffs.

[B]

Okay. It's also. You've played Mahomes, like, maybe the Greatest Quarterback. Top 5 Greatest Quarterbacks of all time, one of the greatest head coaches of all time. Like, there is context into all of this where, like you said, it's. I do think, frankly, Flagbetra, it's lazy.

[A]

Here's my. Here's my pushback to all that. Steve Spagnolo is a great defensive coach. Kansas City's had a really good defense. They won those games against the Bills because their offense basically outscored what the Bill's offense could do. So, meaning, like, as great as Kansas City has been and you could. Thank you. Somebody could make the argument. Well, that means the Bill's offense was good. It usually came down to which offense made a play, and Kansas City made plays in those matchups every time.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And won the game. So go. Even against a good defense. You need the offense going back to it.

[C]

I do feel like it would just be nice to make Josh Allen's life easier. Like. Like there's times where we watch the offense and you have. You're waiting for Josh to do something incredible, or you're waiting for James Cook to break off this big run where it's like, man, it'd be really nice if you had someone that was able to stretch the field or get behind the defense or just have those explosive plays that can be so detrimental to another team's defense. So that's all I'm saying, is that I want to see them be able to have more weapons on the offensive side of the ball just to free up Josh a little bit and not have to have him be everything on every drive.

[A]

And he's talking about the. The 23 and 17 that they scored Kansas City to win the championship games. I'm talking about the games against the Bills.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When they won in the overtime and scored in the 30s and the first championship game in the 30s.

[B]

Dobby says, Geez, children. It's not just the offense. It's not just the defense. It's both. Now behave yourselves.

[A]

Well said.

[C]

Yeah, that's. That is. Yeah, I. I would agree with that.

[B]

That's why I think it's not just as simple as saying, revamp the defense. Give everything to the defense. The offense is fine. I think that's a naive approach to have after looking at last season and sitting there saying, you've got Josh Allen, who is A. The best quarterback in the league, I would argue.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he isn't throwing for 4,000 yards, which is not a difficult thing to do in 2025.

[C]

Yeah. If they do take receiver, you say Denzel Boston. I'm gonna say Casey Concepcion. Do you have a pick? I am also Casey.

[A]

No, I love Casey Concepcion. I think he's going to be really good. I'm. I like Chris Bell. I think he's going to be a first round talent. Taken in the mid second round.

[C]

I totally get it.

[A]

Drafting again.

[C]

All right. Yeah. Let's do our second round pick.

[B]

It's a Snake draft.

[C]

Yeah. So Michael, you go.

[A]

Oh, wait a minute. It's a Snake draft.

[B]

That's me.

[C]

Oh, sorry. I don't really understand.

[B]

Snake draft. You go back. So now you. You have the last pick in the second round.

[C]

So when Mike go first?

[B]

Mike went second.

[C]

Oh, you went last. Yeah, I forgot.

[B]

There you go.

[C]

I forgot. Oh, yeah.

[B]

Listening. My second biggest on the board. So I got great value here.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

And I'm gonna step it up a notch.

[C]

You going Surge?

[B]

Yeah, I'm going Strawberry Surge.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

We're going 8% alcohol. Strawberry I already liked. I think that's another versatile flavor. It can fit. It can fit in a lot of different parties, a lot of different schemes that you can use it with. And the fact that I can get it with 8% alcohol and like 2%. Is this a less. 2 carbs. 2 grams of carbs.

[A]

Golden.

[B]

Strawberry Surge off the board.

[A]

Will Strawberry Surge play right away in your team?

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Pencil any man?

[C]

Yeah. No, apparently he's pen. Yeah. All right. Go ahead, Michael, it's you.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Come on, guys. It's a snake draft. We're better than this.

[A]

I am going Surge. I'm going for more alcohol too. Yeah.

[B]

It's value. In the second round, I'm going for blood orange.

[A]

Blood orange. Blood orange. I want the alcohol.

[C]

That is okay. I. The. I know a lot about you. I would have not picked green apple or blood orange.

[A]

Well, this is the way I draft and apparently drink.

[C]

Yes. Okay. All right.

[A]

I feel like I. Oh, you have your board.

[C]

I have my board. Yeah, I know. Well, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go. This is like one of my favorites. Pick two. You can't go wrong. I love a grapefruit. A grapefruit white claw is so, so good.

[A]

It's good. That's good.

[C]

I love that. In the summer. Yeah.

[B]

Same with your chest.

[C]

I love. I love it. I. I can't Imagine, you guys, I love fruit, but I am. So.

[B]

Yeah. If you would have really known us and you would have done the scouting, Mike and I probably weren't going to take that right away. You probably could have.

[A]

Could have saved. Got it. Got better value.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Could have gotten better, but I don't

[C]

think we're going to pick the same ones anyways.

[B]

We're gonna find out.

[C]

We're definitely.

[A]

Do we want to do another round now or do we want to wait?

[C]

We can do whatever.

[A]

Well, I'm just saying.

[C]

Is it because you go again?

[A]

No, it's.

[B]

No, it's you. Jenna. Jenna probably wants to talk more about the said.

[C]

Jenna is high. Jenna is not high. She just doesn't understand Snake drafts. Okay. Oh, yeah. Can we trade?

[B]

No.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Isn't the NBA trading back?

[C]

Okay.

[A]

All right.

[C]

I'm gonna start out with my third round then. Okay. I'm gonna go Peach. Love peach. Super tasty. Can't go wrong. Once again. Is that what you have?

[A]

No, it's not what I have. Okay.

[C]

I was.

[A]

I wasn't. I was trying to find before what was in here.

[C]

Okay, then, Mike, you go.

[A]

Yes. So what is off the board so far?

[C]

So lime green, apple, Mango, Strawberry Surge, Blood orange, Grapefruit, Peach.

[A]

Well, I gotta go. I gotta follow my board because a few of those were already gone. I'm going Surge again. And I'm going Surge. BlackBerry. Oh, you didn't see that one coming either.

[C]

I did not. I thought you were gonna take mine.

[A]

Serge, BlackBerry is off the board.

[C]

Okay. And then, Daniel, did you take Peach? I literally just.

[A]

Just three seconds ago.

[B]

She didn't take Peach Surge.

[A]

No, she didn't.

[B]

Yeah. Higher upside to the party. Peach Surge. Give me that 8% again.

[C]

Okay. Fired up. Okay.

[A]

All right.

[B]

A couple wild cards in my draft.

[C]

Yeah. Football. Okay. Yeah. Let's go, let's go. Defense. Now, the defensive side of the ball. I say we start with edge. And I know, Mike, there's an edge guy that you liked in terms of Malachi Lawrence, but there's some other guys that I feel like I saw. Keldrick Falk.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Was also mocked to the Bills a couple times. I'm trying to think of the other guys. I have it on my list up here as well. Cash is Howell. Yep. Akeem Asador, TJ Parker. Players like that that I think I've seen quite a bit mocked to Buffalo. If they're taking an Edge Guy At 26,

[A]

it's fascinating this year to look at what they're going to do and what they want and what they think they don't have. We've talked about this, right? Bradley Chubb has played that position. He is an established veteran playing in that style. Defense, Greg Russo's moving. Michael Hoyt is coming. When I say moving, you know, he's standing up now. He's playing different. Michael Hoyt is playing, coming off an Achilles whenever he is ready to go. I don't know what they have at pass rusher. I really don't. You think they have an established guy. They have a good player who's moving to a different position. They're a player coming off of injury. When you really think of what they have, this is why if they stay there and take an edge, they need an edge. And that's why, you know, I. I had Malachi first. Malachi Lawrence.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

As the first pick. But I think they are still in very much in need of a pass rusher on the defensive side.

[C]

Honestly, the guy I like, of the group we talked about, I really like Keldrick Falk out of Auburn. Six six, 285. Dude is a freak athlete. 700 pound, squat, 415, bench pressed.

[A]

Is that a lot?

[C]

Say 700 pounds. Get this. Use his own nil money to help a walk on teammates stay at school.

[B]

Love that.

[C]

I'm gonna say dude. Yeah. Character guy.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But essentially too. So his numbers in 2025 were not as good as they were a season ago, but excellent in the run game. Best in an odd front scheme. I. I think that he could be someone that in terms of the past rush could be very helpful.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Cash's how worries me a little bit because of the arms, if I'm just being honest.

[C]

The arms sounds funny, but yes, I get it.

[A]

Short arms.

[B]

Short arms.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

They talk about Desmond Bain and where he might be with his lack of arm length.

[A]

You mean short arms.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I didn't want to repeat myself, so I was just trying to find a different way of saying it.

[C]

When have you ever been upset about repeating yourself

[B]

to put up with? I think Cash's how is kind of like an exception, you know, like you don't want to have a team full of exceptions.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I already kind of think that whether or not Javon Solomon has any place on this team, he's.

[C]

They've talked about him.

[B]

He's kind of the exception.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like.

[A]

But I don't think that's. I don't think that player who has not established himself in the defense is preventing you from drafting another guy. But Bean did talk about the exceptions the other day. And it really is, you know, you that play, that player has to have exceptional skills in other ways because that's a real thing in the NFL. We see it in. Arm length is a big thing. When they talk about corners, they talk about offensive tackles and defensive pass rushers in the way a longer arms help not get yourself stuck on an offensive lineman.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

And you know, and offensively to be able to. To control it on the other side on the defensive line. And sometimes you say how big a deal is that? And then you watch the Patriots in the super bowl with their own tackle with his short arms.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he gets run over. Yeah. In the game. And maybe they say they're going to keep them there, but maybe they move them.

[B]

But. And I think that's more of like the analytics world that the NFL is, you know, really gotten into of, you know, arm length and technique and all. All of that stuff that I don't think in years, you know, in 2010 that may not have mattered as much. But I guess that's just one of my concerns with Cassius Howell. But I know there was a comment that was somebody that we had talked about in the past. Somebody talked about Dominique Citrus.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Big Citrus.

[B]

Big Citrus. Dominique Orange.

[A]

Sorry. Dominic Orange.

[B]

I would love him in the third round. He's supposed to go second to third. He's just a mountain of a human being. And that's. I really think that there's one thing like they don't. They don't have interior defensive line. Like it's Ed and. Well, they have Dwayne Carter and they have.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? Like Dion Walker.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. They have a lot of defensive tackles.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That are very mid.

[A]

Well, we don't.

[C]

Well, yeah.

[A]

We have no idea if Dwayne Carter can play. We have no idea if TJ Sanders can play. Not yet. And they got a good idea on Dionne Walker.

[C]

Yeah. Dion Walker. You see the upside.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And the potential. But you're right. TJ Sanders.

[A]

And these are high picks. That's a third round and a second round pick.

[B]

But along with wide receiver, defensive tackle. Especially now the importance of it in the new scheme with. With Jim Leonard seems to be like a position the last few years they have kind of just put.

[A]

Pop says big citrus. Sounds like a white claw flavor.

[B]

That's very.

[C]

That's very, very good.

[B]

Buffalo plus big, big Citrus.

[A]

I'm gonna draft that in the next round.

[B]

I was saying is that like that's kind of Been a position interior defensive line that they have seemingly put band aids over. Okay. Now wherever TJ Sanders fits, whether that like again, he was kind of in between an edge and a defensive tackle. Now you have Ed. But after that it's been pieced together with Jordan Phillips. Daquan Jones.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Zion Logue. Like pray. Finn Mathis.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So I said that sounds wrong.

[C]

Yeah. Federius Mathis. There it is.

[B]

Oh, no, hang on. Federian.

[C]

Oh, I'm sorry. Federian.

[B]

We got there. Third. Third drive is the charm. So like that to me is a position that I feel like they've just tried to piece together as the season has gone along.

[A]

This is Roy Collins. His point is all the defense picks last year makes it sound kind of disappointing. We're still talking about needing more on defense. Well, some of that is scheme related,

[B]

some of its injuries.

[A]

Right. But.

[C]

But I also get where he's coming or where they're coming from. Where it's like we just drafted, you know, it felt like 12 picks last

[A]

year that were all playing with the old gang.

[C]

Yeah. Jordan Phillips and guys like that. Jordan Boyer. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

So I, I guess I just look at that as a position where I'm more focused on interior defensive line than I am as an edge rusher. And I know edge rusher has been such a topic for.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The last five years.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

They've just needed that production.

[A]

So when we talk D line too, you got edge and then you have the defensive. They're basically tackles. I saw a comment here from Spectre who says a nose tackle will help Dion Walker play more on the outside. I agree with that. I think that's maybe where he fits better.

[B]

He's not like we talked about it. He's more Ed Oliver as the penetrating guy than he is the Daquan Jones just eating up blocks for the linebackers. So. Yeah. I mean, and you saw what Dionne Walker could do with tackles for loss with like generating like his ability to split double teams as compared to other guys that would play nose tackle that would eat double teams.

[A]

And your more standard pass rushers are the listed as linebackers. Outside Bradley Chubb.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Greg Russo, who sometimes are right up on the line. That's when it's more of a five man front.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So we'll see how it all looks. But I mean, we really don't know. And while everybody else has been talking a mile a minute. Jim Leonard, nothing isn't that radio silent from Jim Leonard.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

We haven't seen him, heard him. Love that. Yeah.

[C]

That is the biggest question mark.

[B]

He's in the.

[A]

He's in the lab.

[B]

Crunch and tape.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

That is the biggest question mark though is because we, we obviously know Joe Brady and what to expect from him. We've heard a lot from Bean, we've heard a lot even from Josh. And it's like just in terms of the defense, we know it's going to be different, but how different will it be and what will that look like and how are they evaluating players now for this new scheme? Guy I love, Kaden McDonald.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

I've talked about him before. Another dude.

[A]

You want the steady, solid, shocking, right?

[C]

I was gonna say potatoes. Yeah.

[B]

Well, old school football.

[C]

The analogy I made before is just you're building a new defense, you're building the foundation. That's what you start with. So get your guy. That can be your nose tack tackle. That's can essentially be great in the run game, can help you and you can build outside and around that. And he offers a little bit of pass rush upside. There's guys like Lee Hunter. I feel like he's more limited in that pass rush potential. That's a guy that has I've heard been talked about. Peter Woods, Clemson is another guy that's been. Yeah, freak. He's another freak athlete though.

[B]

Yeah. It wouldn't do it for me.

[C]

No, no.

[B]

And that was. Schrager had him mocked to the Bills today.

[C]

Okay. Oh, I didn't see that one.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah.

[C]

I, I thought it was first team all acc in 2025. I preferred Kaden McDonald over Peter Woods. But I do, I do understand why he was someone that would be chosen for the Bills in that spot. You want to talk a linebacker because I think that is also something that we have not really talked about as much, but is definitely could be at play at 26.

[B]

If they were to stay, could be another Allen.

[C]

C.J. allen.

[B]

C.J. allen, Buffalo, I believe 10 times in mock drafts.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Really?

[B]

So that's another.

[C]

And all American, two time SEC champion. First team all SEC in 2024.

[B]

Green dot guy.

[C]

Yes. Green dot linebacker. Team captain. I like a team captain too.

[A]

Somebody was questioning the 700 pound squats. I. I did look it up. Landon Robinson, who is a Navy defensive tackle, is squats £700. And you mentioned Keldrick Falk, also £700 and a 415 pound bench press.

[C]

Who was I just looking at? 490, but Brent bench. I think that was Peter woods.

[A]

This is absurd.

[C]

Four. Yeah. 490.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So bench.

[A]

There are.

[B]

I could bench that half of a time. Just the down part.

[C]

Yeah. Because it would be like, we need to have.

[B]

That's Tash's bit.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

People that run half marathons. He's like, I don't really want to care about it. And he's like, I can bench £400 1/2 time. Just the down part.

[C]

That is funny. No, I like CJ Allen meniscus tear in 2025. Only missed a game, though. But calling card is run defense too. I could see that for sure. Anthony Hill Jr. Out of Texas, second team all American. He did break his hand. NFL comp is Bobby Wagner.

[B]

And I love Jacob Rodriguez.

[A]

If you took Jacob Rodriguez at 26, here's the way they'd say it on NFL, you know, ESPN. They'd be going, you know, Jim, it's a little early, but this guy's a football player. Right. Here's what they're gonna say. Yeah. Then they start highlights and then his mustache.

[C]

They fade into that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Honestly though, I like if they think that that guy can be the guy,

[A]

it's like, yeah, that would.

[C]

Maybe it costs a little bit more than they were expecting.

[A]

But if this is my point of saying, taking him at 26, so great, you get bad value. You know, it's funny, in my fantasy football draft, we would get done the draft and cbs, we did it on CBS Sportsline and they give you your rating right away. It's all based on value. So basically, he could have gotten this guy in whatever round, whatever. I got terrible value draft, and I end up winning the league. Right. And then other times they're like, he did an awesome job. No, but I'm saying he did an awesome job. It was great. And I had a crap team.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I had good value. If you want this guy to run your defense, don't sit back and wait. It's why I always love when they say we want this quarterback. We're going to wait. Like, is this guy not the most important guy?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Eventually.

[C]

Go get your guy.

[A]

Go get your guy.

[B]

Yeah. Next gen sets for the athleticism score. Rodriguez ranked sixth among. Yeah. Combine linebackers.

[A]

Quarterback.

[B]

4, 5, 7, 40 yard dash, 38 inch vertical jump. Like he's. Dude can move. And he was a former quarterback. His wife is a Blackhawk helicopter pilot.

[A]

Oh, my gosh, I forgot about that story at the combine.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

He's. He's awesome.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

He does have that mustache.

[C]

He does have that.

[B]

He got Heisman votes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Which is just.

[A]

And he started out at. Was it Virginia?

[B]

As a Virginia.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Wild played 12 games as a reserve quarterback, wide receiver, tight end, and running back.

[A]

They're all. All these positions. Bills could fill them all with Jacob Rodriguez, football player. Football player.

[C]

That is, if they were to pick him, that is exactly what they will.

[B]

Sean McDermott would have called him a football player.

[C]

Yeah, like, close. That is like, the highest compliment, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Hey, the guys.

[A]

7883 is saying what we have been saying. Values irrelevant. At 26. Get the best football player fits what you're trying to do. Get the right player is more important.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, I completely agree.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

That is one of those things, though, too. I just feel like we get so sucked in to, like, oh, this guy was valued here and they picked him all the way here. But it's like, we don't know. Just because these players are drafted, you have no idea what the actual value will turn out to be. So you got to go with someone that you evaluate that you think is your guy.

[A]

And I always go the extreme. But like I say, if you pick Puka Nakua in the second round, you would have gotten a lot of criticism.

[C]

Absolutely.

[A]

He went in, what, the fifth?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you took him in the second round, like, why is this guy going in the.

[B]

Josh.

[C]

I mean. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you remember that draft? We were in Dallas, 2018. They pick him.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And it was like, oh, my God, the Bills are building. Like, it was.

[B]

Was.

[C]

Yeah, it was unbelievable. The reaction.

[A]

Meanwhile, you look at that draft, Lamar goes 32nd.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Josh Rose is in his media room telling he's going to make everybody pay and make anybody pay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

The only people that paid were the ones that had to pay him.

[C]

I was gonna say. I think he.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I don't even know what he does.

[A]

Baker's had a good career, and now Sam Darnold's. Sam Donald's.

[C]

Sam Darnold's won a Super Bowl.

[A]

Good for him. In his. You know, it was interesting. I heard Josh, he's seen some stuff about him with. With Sam Darnold, too. Like, you know, they have a good relationship. We heard him saying, yeah, but, you know, he's sort of rooting for him, but it's not. Wouldn't have been the guy after the first few years that you would have thought would win a Super bowl, but it did.

[C]

Yeah. Correct.

[B]

And I think that's part of the problem. Going back to your fantasy football analogy, that nobody cares about your fantasy football team. Mike, I just want to put.

[A]

That was more about draft.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But go ahead.

[B]

But, like, everything needs to be so immediate. Like everything.

[C]

Hate that about our lives today. You have to have an opinion on something right away.

[A]

But speaking of which, is, as the Bills make a pick, we will be live on the channel with our opinion.

[C]

No, I know we're gonna have it either way, but I'm just saying sometimes it's like, what's your thoughts on this? It's like, I don't know. It's.

[B]

Again, everybody is grading these players and they. And they're moving the players around over their big boards and things like that. They haven't played an extra football game since then. Then teams will draft them. Nothing will have changed. And then they'll be like, this guy got this. This fits well here. And there'll be another immediate reaction. Like, the post draft grades may be worse in my opinion, than mock drafts. Because, like, it's just the players that you like.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And it doesn't mean that, hey, this team got an A plus from Kuiper. That means they start next year 2. 0. How about that?

[C]

You're right. Like it.

[B]

It's.

[C]

It's all conjecture.

[B]

By the way, we will be doing that Saturday afternoon. Buffalo Plus YouTube channel will recap every pick, give our immediate reaction.

[C]

Well, I do, I do think for us, we know that Bill so well that a lot of times we can see the potential of why they picked this guy, why it makes sense for the team or some of the weaknesses where you're like, I. I'm curious to see how it will pan out. But yeah, some of the, some of the more national people, I'm like, I see some stuff and I'm like, you. It feels like they don't know the Bills at all when they're picking players.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Kind of like how a lot of people have had cornerback mocked to the bills.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

26.

[C]

Yeah. Which that, that to me is like, are you hearing something that we aren't or are you just like, yeah, corner cool.

[B]

Bill's mafia is going to need several white claws.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If they take a cornerback at 26,

[C]

I just don't see.

[B]

I suggest going with Mango, Strawberry Surge or Peach Surge.

[A]

Yeah, there it is.

[C]

Look at that.

[B]

Brian, great job. Throw that right up because I was just talking about my board of.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[A]

Since.

[C]

All right, let's do another pick.

[A]

Let's do another pick.

[C]

Let's do another pick. All right, so whose turn is it?

[A]

I think is it.

[B]

It's back to me.

[A]

Have I picked first? Oh, I did pick first.

[C]

Carry that.

[B]

You haven't picked first at all. You were Second.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

You haven't. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

You've done fantasy football drafts that are steak drafts.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Okay, go.

[B]

Three people in the trap, trusting the board.

[A]

Is there a surge? One of it?

[B]

No, there's not. So this is just og Classic pineapple. Watermelon.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

I've had. Yeah, Mike's. Yeah, that was that next.

[A]

That one. Yeah.

[B]

Watermelon. Talk about being on a beach, like the lake house during the summer.

[C]

Yeah, it's right there. Okay. Michael.

[B]

Building a dynasty. My immediate mock draft is going to be. Draft grade is going to be high.

[A]

I'm still going surge. I'm going surge again.

[B]

Mike's hammered.

[A]

I've got Serge. Blue BlackBerry. I'm going surge. Blueberry.

[C]

You actually took my pick.

[A]

Look at that. Finally, it happened. Okay, Blueberry.

[C]

Blueberry. Surge. I was proud of myself for choosing a surge, because unlike you guys, I feel like I would actually. I'd be like, oh, okay. All right. I'm gonna go surge. Yeah.

[B]

Seriously, it's not surging. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

It would be Osterg. Okay. I have my one, but I think I can get better value.

[B]

You got two picks because that's how Snake Draft works. Just for the record.

[C]

Okay. We already had one of this. Okay. I'm gonna go pineapple. I love pineapple.

[B]

Mm.

[C]

Always tasty, light. I like. Like the lighter flavors.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Yeah, I'm a big fan of that. Okay, so then, fifth round. Oh, man,

[B]

This is great podcast.

[A]

This is like being at a restaurant with Jenna.

[C]

Gotta make sure you look at the menu.

[B]

But you don't look at the menu before you go to the restaurant.

[C]

No, it's the wild. It's the ex. What do you mean?

[A]

You gotta. Gotta scout.

[B]

Why? No, no, hang on.

[C]

I eat anything, so I can go to any restaurant.

[A]

It's like having names when you come into the podcast.

[C]

Hey, meals. At least I have that covered.

[B]

Coming in. If you go to a restaurant, a newer restaurant that you haven't been to before.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And you're gonna tell me you don't look at the menu before. That's.

[A]

That's wild.

[B]

Criminal.

[C]

I. No, it's fun. It's exciting. Again, I eat whatever, so I love food. I like. I like checking it out, but I don't like to pick out what I'm gonna have before.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Okay. I am going to go. I'm gonna go lemon. I. I saw the light. It's always good.

[B]

Yeah, you got value in the fifth round.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Classic.

[C]

I just. I like simple. Okay, go ahead. What?

[A]

That's fine.

[C]

Okay, go Ahead back to me.

[B]

Back.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

That's how Snake Draft works.

[A]

I. I don't like this pick because it doesn't work. He loves for me, but I like to have it in the cool. I like to have it because I know other people.

[C]

Can I guess Black cherry.

[A]

Yes. Surge. Black cherry.

[B]

I'm gonna go. My father in law.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Has every single black cherry. Also Shout out. Steve Tool also loves black cherry.

[C]

I do like black cherries.

[B]

That. That is his go to. Like, the variety packs are awesome. Steve will just get the 12 packs of black Cherry.

[A]

They're all for him.

[B]

They're just his.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Respect.

[A]

All right.

[B]

What are you going with Shout out Steve Tool. I'm gonna go. Mike.

[A]

Did you.

[B]

You didn't surge Green apple right in the first round. Green apple, surge.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

We're doing a lot of search. Dan.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You guys are really value. It's higher upside.

[C]

You guys are really, really surging. Okay. Should we talk safety?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

There's a couple I really like. I really like. Like, I do love Emmanuel or what's it. Where'd it go, Emil. Sorry. Emmanuel. Warren McNeil talked to him at the combine.

[B]

Toledo.

[C]

Yeah. I really like him. I think he's someone that, you know, when we're going through our notes, like, just looking at players for the draft, I'll always like star guys. And I'm like, you know, I think I could see them in Buffalo. That was one I was looking at. And I'm like, I definitely think just with his makeup, how he moves, the way he is, I think he would be someone the Bills would for sure be interested in.

[B]

How realistic do you think that the Bills would take a safety at 26? Give me a percentage. Jenna first.

[C]

Really depends on how the board falls. But in terms of percentage, I expect them to take a safety. I would say probably 12, 15.

[A]

I was gonna say 15 max.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I think they leave the weekend by drafting a safety.

[A]

It's another thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Talks about go into the weekend, the time saying we need to fill. We need to get somebody at this position. And you really do have to play it as smart as you can because you never know how the board's gonna fall beyond the first round when you might have had another opportunity. But I do think they need another young safety.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Again, we don't know how Jordan Hancock is going to play in this system. Maybe this will be better for him. It's a guy they drafted just a year ago, but they've got Cole Bishop and they got Chauncey Gardner Johnson on a One year deal. So it would not be a terrible time to bring in another safety. It's just a matter of where, when.

[B]

That's where I think so it's very easy to get so hyper focused on this year and kind of miss the. I don't want to mess this up. Don't want to miss the forest for the trees.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is that correct?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Thank you. Look, looking ahead, right? Geno Stone, one year deal. C Nick Gardner Johnson is a one year deal. Like that way you're not going into next year. Like.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Having to take a safety and you could get somebody in the system for a year and then kind of work him in.

[C]

Yeah. Another guy I liked was Dylan Thienaman. He is someone they did talk to at the combine. So I always think those types of visits or them having conversations with them is really good. And then there was a comment from Albert saying AJ From LSU is the best safety. That is someone AJ Halsey. I think I could definitely see the Bills being interested in. In terms of safety. So I, I agree. I really like him. The LSU safety from.

[B]

Yeah. And Todd saying like safety is pretty stacked. Like they also signed tomorrow. Hamlin back. Like. And I know he's much more of a special teamer now at this point. But the fact is, and you're right, Todd, like they have tons of them there. I don't think they're at the starting caliber that they want. Looking down the road a little bit. That's where I just have that sense of if you can get somebody in with value. Mike.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That you like for down the road.

[C]

It's the buzzword of the day. Value. Should we talk? Okay. So Ryan is saying. Ryan Kenny said Trey was playing well last year, so holding Harrison out to get healthy wasn't a major issue. But we talk about corner two and we talked about how there are players or people that have mocked corners there. We say safety is like 15. Do you think what percentage I would say in terms of corner? Because you weren't also really in.

[A]

Here's. Here's the way I would describe corner. Has anybody ever said about a roster they have too many good corners?

[B]

Never.

[C]

No.

[A]

First of all, players get nicked up, they get hurt and you gotta have somebody. And you know, Bean talked about Max needing to armor up, get himself ready. Got hurt twice last year.

[B]

Was hurting college.

[A]

Yep. And he's a smaller player and they, they drafted him. It's funny, it said like drafted him for Jim. For Sean McDermott's defense, you would say.

[B]

But it didn't fit Sean's defense.

[A]

No, because that's why we sat right here and we're surprised that he was the pick. He has upside of his speed and his. And his. And his coverage ability and we will see. But I don't. I don't think that's a position you want to mess around with in the NFL in 2026 in a sense of saying we don't have the depth. You're right. Trey played well. Max was also held out because he wasn't playing as well as Trey. It wasn't just for the injuries.

[C]

Correct.

[B]

And whether not the excuse, the reason of the missed time from training camp because the knee injury like getting him up to speed. Because knee injuries aren't so easy to recover from. Yes, Mike.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But teams aren't afraid of a player who's had a knee injury.

[B]

So speaking if they draft a corner, that'll say that they're a little bit

[C]

nervous about Max Hairstyle.

[B]

About Max Hairston as a whole.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Eric commenting in if McCoy falls, they will have to consider it, which I actually agree. Jamon McCoy is someone that has the concerns with injuries and that's why he has been falling on boards. But he is a really.

[A]

It's funny, I was thinking there's gonna be a tough, tough draft for Bills fans to watch because the Ravens have a high pick, the Chiefs have a high pick. Like you're going to see the jets have multiple picks even though they stink. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah. It's. You're going to be sitting there at 26. But I was wondering, too, and I wanted people to comment on this. I know everybody's really disappointed. Usually when you sit there all night waiting for a draft pick and then they trade back like they did when they got Keon, I don't think fans are going to be as upset this year. I think it's.

[C]

I think people are going to also be locked in on the Sabers, at least people here in western New York. So maybe that kind of changes how things are.

[A]

How much of your night was spent.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Watching the whole draft.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

That's a good point.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. I just. I mean, realistically, it's a big night

[B]

to have two screens.

[A]

Yes, yes, and yes.

[C]

One thing on McCoy, though, there is the thought that there's a degenerative knee issue. And so while he is a complete

[A]

corner, that would be a different story.

[C]

That. Okay.

[B]

I just want to make sure that was Will Johnson.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

That was the corner from Michigan a few years ago.

[C]

Yeah. And then pops Mafia asking why hasn't Trey signed somewhere? I think this is the point. We've, we've mentioned this before, but just where older players are at, they want to see what teams do in the draft and where there would be a position for them to possibly go and probably get more starting time, more money, like more opportunity at a different team. So a lot of times right now it's kind of once the draft happens, the dust settles and then a lot of veteran guys will figure out where would be the best opportunity for them and where their most interest would be. So it makes sense to me that Trey has not signed anything.

[A]

That's like Shaq Thompson.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Matt Milano and I think, I think Shaq, depending on what the Bills do, if the pick is not a substantial one at linebacker, I think four and a half.

[B]

Yep. I, I agree. 100.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I will say and I know like some people are commenting in like there's other stuff going on on Thursday that they will have their attention to. I would be disappointed if it's an offense. Interior offensive lineman. I, I, yeah, I, I just don't think that it's worth it, especially on Thursday. Like, if we're just talking about Thursday, it would be disappointing that if it's, you know. Chase Bizonitis.

[C]

What? I'm sorry. I, I was reading a comment you

[A]

should have said you zoned out the. Yeah. From A. M. I really don't think. Unless.

[C]

Oh, yes.

[A]

I don't think they're. I don't think that's happening in the first round. That could be. That could be.

[C]

That would be shocking.

[A]

Trading back and taking.

[B]

Yeah. And like I said. And Alan Alps pointing out that Leonard Floyd and Puna Ford signed after the draft. DJ Mo. Elijah Moore was signed the Monday right after it. So like there are, there are teams.

[C]

Why Is it because bitching about.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That was right after that.

[B]

So like there are conversations. They haven't been kind of alluded to it at the owner's meeting. Like, we've got some contact. We'll see how the draft shakes out. We've kind of talked about it before that there was the kind of the hold for teams.

[C]

It's a holding pattern.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Ryan Kennedy said or asked do you think the way Trey acted in those last two plays against the Broncos is playing a role in him not being signed somewhere at. I agree. I agree.

[A]

That's not who Trey White is. League knows that. And he was obviously extremely frustrated the game was over. I'm sure he wasn't Proud of that. That's not who he's been on the field in the NFL. But it was at the end of the se. The season's coming to an end, and it was finally on him.

[C]

Yeah, I don't think that. Yeah, I don't think the team's looking.

[A]

I think he showed enough that teams. He's going to play like, yeah, I agree.

[C]

And I think that's why he wants to wait and see, like, where would be the opportunity for me? And maybe that is in Bubble Buffalo. Maybe they don't draft a corner and Trey is like, okay, like, yeah, there's interest. I want to be back. But also if they do, you have to figure out what the team wants.

[B]

Tom Mordaunt watching the show from Atlanta.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Are they. Are they good?

[B]

They may be good.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

They may be good.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

You sound like a Mets fan.

[C]

Oh, well, they know they're bad. Whoa.

[B]

That sounds like a disgruntled Phillies fan.

[A]

Well, yeah, we are disgruntled. Yeah, I need to be disgruntled.

[B]

Get more gruntled.

[A]

We have. What do we have? One pick.

[C]

We have one pick left in our White Claw draft, and then I say we do that, and then we're gonna do our predictions for what we think the Bills do, or we can. We can do what we want them to do.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I have the pick.

[C]

You have the pick. The pick is in. The pig is.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. All right, Go ahead, Dan feeds.

[B]

We're gonna go raspberry, not surge.

[C]

Raspberry.

[B]

Raspberry, Raspberry.

[C]

White Claw sounds nice.

[B]

Sounds like a golf course. Oh, sounds like you're on the course.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You're on the third hole. You're already five over, and you're like, let's get a little Swing Juice going.

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I think.

[C]

Wait, I've never heard this. That. That's.

[B]

Never heard of Swing Juice.

[C]

No, I've not.

[A]

I think. I think every. Is every.

[C]

No. Actual no.

[A]

Nope, nope.

[B]

There's.

[C]

We got cranberry Grape.

[A]

Yeah, I don't. And you took Ruby grapefruit, right?

[C]

I did, yeah. Because it's good.

[A]

We didn't take regular strawberry Hammered with a six pack.

[B]

You couldn't drink your own six pack by yourself. Yeah, I'm balanced. I'm three surge, three regular.

[A]

That's why I'm gonna go raspberry now.

[B]

I just picked raspberry.

[A]

Oh, I thought you said raspberry was available.

[B]

I just took it.

[A]

I was. I zoned out on you. I just zoned out on you. Is there a surge Raspberry

[C]

No. Holy.

[A]

Took my picks.

[B]

Oh, I can't wait to edit that up with a few moments later. I'll take raspberry.

[A]

Three times in this, you have repeated what Jenna has said. 1.

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It's because I'm emphasizing.

[A]

Oh, I was just emphasizing that.

[C]

Take a pic.

[A]

I'm looking at what's not going.

[C]

What he has to do.

[B]

You took like, five years. The bigger pick last round.

[A]

I'm going. I gotta go surge again. I need another surge. I'm gonna go Serge. I don't think it's been taken. Serge. Strawberry.

[C]

Serge has been taken.

[B]

That was my second pick.

[A]

We've picked. We picked a lot.

[B]

You're not following along on your board. This podcast has gone off the.

[C]

What has been picked? Lime green apple, Mango, Strawberry Surge. Blood orange, Grapefruit.

[B]

Give me your white Claudia to finish.

[A]

Oh, I know what I can pick.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Because I know neither of you picked grape.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, I took grape.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

No comment. To close.

[C]

I don't really. Yeah, that's not my favorite.

[A]

I'm gonna need it.

[B]

Of course you did.

[C]

You went surge. Grape.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Full. Okay. All right. And then it's mine. I would go cranberry. Sounds really good.

[A]

Serge.

[C]

You know what?

[B]

Surge of the final.

[A]

Mr.

[B]

Irrelevant. Cranberry.

[C]

It's very Cape Cod, though.

[A]

Yes, it is.

[C]

What? Cranberry. Chatham. Chatham. Just kidding. It's just Chatham. Okay. All right. Let's do our picks in our picks for what we. How about we do what we want them?

[B]

You should have a show where you drink your six packs. Someone is getting lit. Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I would be hammered.

[C]

Hammered. Yeah.

[B]

Please drink responsibly.

[C]

Yes. Please. Yes. Grab life by the claw. Drink responsibly.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Now what we want them to do.

[C]

Yeah. Let's do what we want them to do. And then what we think they will do. I want them to draft Casey Conception. I love what he could add to the offense. He just seems like someone that could immediately make an impact on that side of the ball. I think he would round out that wide receiver room, give them speed, and I just think that is what I want them to do. What I think they will do is I think they're gonna get Jim Leonard, his guy and pick. My pick is Kaden McDonald, the defensive tackle out of Ohio State. Great. In terms of nose tackle, the run game. He does get pressure up the middle, too. In terms of pass rush, not as much, obviously, but there is still that upside. Oh, I didn't even see this one over here. Okay.

[B]

Pretty confident in this because I'M doubling down. Is this Tangerine? Oh, we even know that was an option?

[C]

No, I didn't see.

[A]

Maybe it's old school.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

What I think they're gonna do and what I want them to do are the same thing.

[A]

Casey Concepcion.

[C]

No. Denzel Boston.

[B]

Denzel Boston. This is the year they finally make the decision to invest a first round pick in a wide receiver. They've already spent the second round pick on DJ Moore. I'm fully aware, but I think they know that the offense needs to be improved as well. The fact that you were piecing it together with Gabe Davis and Brandon Cooks and in years past, Amari Cooper and trying to envy has, hey, I think this is the year they finally make a concerted effort in the first round. It makes sense. They've done their homework on him. I really think that Denzel Boston brings. Gives them something they don't have. I think it's. It's what I want them to do and I think it's what they should do.

[C]

Denzel Boston did have a private workout with the Bills and Buffalo also talked to him at the combine. So I think that is in terms of doing their homework, I do think that is something to note. They have met with him multiple times.

[A]

Okay. What I want them to do is, what I would really like to see them do is take Casey Concepcion as a wide receiver. What I think they're going to do is take a pass rusher and it's going to be the guy that I mocked them to take, which is Malachi Lawrence out of Central Florida. They need a pass rusher. They have been trying so hard to add real pass rush. That's another position. Nobody says that team's just got too many pass rushers. It's like you've got too many guys who hit home runs in baseball like I do. They need that. And I'm also following this with Bean. He made the point the other day of saying, this is what would concern me a little bit if you want a wide receiver. He said, man, we put up the picture of Steph Diggs there and said, there's our first round pick pick. That second round pick is a wide receiver. It's D.J. moore.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

They're sitting there with one pick in the top. As Sal Mayorana likes to point out, it's one pick in the top 120 or two picks in the top 125. Because they don't. I think it is. When they get to the third round or fourth round pick, I think they're going to Take a pass. I think they're going to take a pass rusher in the first round.

[C]

That is an excellent point. And Bean did give us that insight when we were up there on Monday of. Yeah, he had Stefan Diggs picture up when he was drafting back in 2020 because he thought of that as their first round pick. So maybe he has done that with DJ Moore.

[A]

Now that's DJ Moore in the second round. My point would be then you're going to draft a wide receiver in the first round. I don't think it's too much. I think they're going to feel it's too much. And this also, if they took a wide receiver, this would also tell you they think more highly of the guys they already have in the building on defense than we do. And it also goes against everything Joe Brady's been saying about Keon Coleman.

[C]

Well, if that would be the case. It would be follow what they do, not what they say.

[B]

For anybody that's watched Ted Lasso.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oh, good show.

[B]

It's the hope that kills you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I have. There's a picture of Roma Dunes Day sitting up there. I would love to put a picture of Denzel Boston.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I've looked. Because I've. I'm able to.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I just have looked at this from so many different angles of. Not only is it what I personally want, I just think it makes the most sense in the sense of it is expensive position and that they have tried and tried in the free agent market, in the trading market, all of those things. I think they reset, get cost effective.

[A]

Says Mina Kime said recently that she was told by a source on another team that the Bills do not value separators at wide receiver. Well, that's pretty obvious.

[C]

That's messed up, Michael.

[A]

I guess maybe they think of the way Josh plays is more about. He'll make a play. Just get open. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, come on.

[C]

Well, there's. There's that. Okay. I kind of wanna. I. I kind of want to go Keldrick folk pass rusher. Yeah. Or a key Mezador. Get the foot issues, though. That worry me.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay. All right. That'll do for us. This was really fun.

[A]

Can I pick again? I pick another white cloth. Yeah. Take.

[B]

Take strawberry surge or.

[C]

Or green apple or peach or BlackBerry or.

[A]

I know, I just. I got all surged up. I got. There's too many surges.

[C]

Michael's having the time of his life over there.

[B]

Making sure I got all six picks. Yeah, I got six.

[C]

Yeah. I, I wrote everything down.

[A]

Yeah, but we can't see what you're writing. I can't.

[C]

What, am I gonna lie?

[A]

Dan has an advantage. You can see what's.

[B]

I had my own.

[C]

He can't even read.

[B]

I had. I can read. I can't spell.

[C]

Can you read?

[B]

Oh, actually, no. Dyslexia is a real thing.

[C]

You. Yes.

[A]

Before we go, we have to shout out Brian.

[C]

Yeah. Shut up, Brian.

[A]

And it's great set design.

[C]

I would say graphic furniture makes us look great.

[B]

Director.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

What's the word?

[B]

Pr.

[C]

What are you trying.

[A]

When you. When you obtain procure. Pro. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I didn't even drink too many surges.

[B]

Are you okay?

[A]

All I know is you were right and I was wrong with a word.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. That was good. Okay.

[B]

Shout out, White Claw.

[C]

Shout out, White Claw. We appreciate you, White Claw. I was gonna say. Michael, tell them about Saturday.

[A]

Well, I did not take mango. That's why I wasn't gonna drink mango now.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I didn't need anything to drink today.

[B]

Even my one one.

[A]

We got another show Saturday night for you. Brought to you by White Claw. We will be wrapping up the entire draft. What the Bills do over that stretch of time here. Let's see if they. How many moves Bean makes. Let's see how the draft plays out. Let's see if they do what I think and pick a quarterback late in the draft.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Also, we will be going live here on the Buffalo Plus YouTube channel around pick 15. Is that what we kind of decided? Yeah, to kind of get us ready for the Bills if they make a selection, what they do in the first round. We'll have an instant reaction podcast that will be up Friday morning and then

[A]

our thing Friday into Saturday and get

[C]

ready to go a ton of draft coverage. We are here for you. Please be sure to like, comment, subscribe as well as share. We'll have plenty.

[B]

Tell a friend.

[C]

Yeah, tell a friend. Share.

[A]

David says. Well, how many of us will be awake when the Bills pick? Keep in mind it's eight minutes between yes. So that might save you an hour. An hour, 45. Depends how many trades.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Do it as. Push things back.

[C]

The trades, the clock.

[B]

I don't think there will be that many trades.

[A]

Trades.

[C]

I don't know. I. I was here. I was hearing some.

[B]

What do you want to set the over under at?

[A]

He loves to go.

[C]

I know.

[B]

We'll put a bat. We'll. We'll a 12 pack of claws

[A]

on how many picks made during the first round.

[B]

During the first round.

[A]

What's under. Over. You got to set the number.

[B]

Four and a half.

[A]

I was going to say.

[C]

I was gonna say over.

[B]

Okay, I will take the under.

[C]

Okay. I will not participate.

[B]

I never. I never take the under.

[A]

But that's.

[B]

We'll do it in this one.

[A]

Maybe you should start. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

We'll start on the dress.

[C]

All right. For Mike and Dan, I'm Jenna and Brian. We thank you so much for watching Shout Out White Claw once again. Please be sure to, like, comment, subscribe and share and we will keep you. Shut up. Shut up.

[B]

Hasn't had any surges yet.

[A]

No. Either have I. Look how that went.

[C]

We'll keep you covered on draft stuff all throughout the week. So thanks for watching and we'll see you next time here on the Buffalo plus channel.

[A]

Now from the Connors and Ferris podcast

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studio, this is the Buffalo Plus NFL pre draft podcast presented by White Claw.